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[edit]Category:Muslim sportspeople
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. I've purged Muslim South African sportspeople and merging to South African sportspeople is redundant. (non-admin closure) Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:22, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Muslim South African sportspeople to Category:South African Muslims and Category:South African sportspeople
- Propose deleting Category:Muslim sportspeople (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Merge/delete Non-defining intersection between religion+occupation per WP:EGRS Mason (talk) 23:38, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, per nom, but single merge Category:Muslim South African sportspeople to Category:South African Muslims because the articles are already in Category:South African cricketers etc. Also purge because for a number of people it is not clear whether they were Muslim at all. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:20, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support — Preceding unsigned comment added by Captain AmericanBurger1775 (talk • contribs) 16:51, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:History of Transylvania by topic
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:23, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:History of Transylvania by topic to Category:History of Transylvania
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only two subcategories. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:02, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Mellk (talk) 18:47, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:People from West Greenwich, Rhode Island
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:23, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category with just two entries. Lost in Quebec (talk) 21:43, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:24, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:African-American archivists
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- The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk · he/they) 17:38, 23 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:African-American archivists to Category:American archivists
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge per WP:EGRS. Omnis Scientia (talk) 17:27, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:EGRS. You should not cite EGRS without actually looking at whether reliable sources exist discussing the topic in detail. A quick search reveals that this is a widely recognized intersection by the Society of American Archivists and within the Black community.--User:Namiba 14:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- I support this. It's important to recognize scholars and archives workers through their ethnic and racial identity as well as simply American archivists. Black people were restricted from U.S. library and archives buildings and the profession as a whole for much of those institutions' histories. The category is modeled after African-American librarians, which again was created to recognize Black librarians that have historically been excluded from libraries and library science training. Stephestellar (talk) 19:53, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Keep per WP:EGRS. You should not cite EGRS without actually looking at whether reliable sources exist discussing the topic in detail. A quick search reveals that this is a widely recognized intersection by the Society of American Archivists and within the Black community.--User:Namiba 14:22, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge, African Americans don't archive differently from other archivists. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:55, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, but we should also merge to African-American curators. Mason (talk) 23:40, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Fair point. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:25, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
- In fact, they may approach archives work differently. See "African-American History Seen Through an African-American Lens," for example Stephestellar (talk) 19:55, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
- Because of systemic discrimination, non-white people often do practice their profession differently in many cases. This was especially true during the 350 years of overt racial discrimination in the United States. As an encyclopedia, it is important to recognize this. It is also important to adhere to guidelines like OCEGRS, which highlight this.--User:Namiba 14:49, 14 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support in principle, but we should also merge to African-American curators. Mason (talk) 23:40, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Oppose per Namiba and Stephestellar, seems to be a defining intersection. Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:27, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Pakistani women graphologists
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Pakistani women graphologists to Category:Pakistani graphologists
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge as a non-defining intersection between a specific branch of psuodoscience +gender +nationality Mason (talk) 17:06, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. We do not need diffusion by nationality either. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:56, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Captain AmericanBurger1775 (talk) 17:18, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Warriors of Central and South America
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- The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: I think that we should rename this category to be more reflective of the contents and match other similar-ish categories, like Indigenous military personnel of the Americas Mason (talk) 16:23, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support, "Central and South America" is a very unusual territory to categorize by. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:01, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Suicide attempt
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- The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Newly created and badly-named category of unclear necessity. Apart from the head article about the concept, there's only one article about an individual suicide attempt here, and even that is actually about an academic's theory that a notable person made an unpublicized suicide attempt rather than about a fully verified event.
We do not have any other standalone articles about unsuccessful suicide attempts to file here, however -- and while we do have a limited number articles about successful suicides that have achieved notability as events, even Category:Suicides mainly comprises the suiciders' main biographical articles themselves rather than spinoff articles about their suicides as independent topics: by and large, "Suicide of X" articles only exist if and when the event is notable but the person themselves was not previously notable in life in order to qualify for a conventional biographical article, and virtually never exist as separate spinoffs from the biographical article of a person who had already passed notability standards before offing themselves.
So this isn't needed just to hold two articles, but the lack of any other standalone articles about unsuccessful suicide attempts means the only way to expand this would be to start adding biographical articles to it, which would be both (a) unmaintainable, and (b) an extreme WP:BLP minefield.
And even if there were a reason to keep this, it would have to be renamed to the plural Category:Suicide attempts anyway. Bearcat (talk) 15:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)- Delete per nom. Mason (talk) 17:16, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 19:35, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete, agree the adding of biographies will become a BLP minefield. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:06, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete I agree that this would only make a modicum of sense if it was titled Category:Suicide attempts (plural) but that's a bad idea for many reasons, including WP:V issues, a WP:BLP nightmare and the fact that attempting suicide may not be a defining characteristic. Pichpich (talk) 21:14, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Gjs238 (talk) 12:17, 12 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Ancient Hindu kingdoms
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Ancient Hindu kingdoms to Category:Ancient empires and kingdoms of India
- Nominator's rationale: merge, largely overlapping scope, most ancient Indian kingdoms were Hindu kingdoms and most ancient Hindu kingdoms were Indian kingdoms. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:50, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support - Vedic kingdoms were not Hindu kingdoms, so the proposed merge is more encompassing. Regards, Joshua Jonathan - Let's talk! 17:03, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:Wikipedia utility templates
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Canals by year 1500-1700
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1522 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 16th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1522
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1559 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 16th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1559
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1561 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 16th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1561
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1567 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 16th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1567
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1582 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 16th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1582
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1602 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1602
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1603 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Infrastructure completed in 1603
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1605 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1605
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1611 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1611
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1613 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1613
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1614 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1614
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1615 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1615
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1616 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1616
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1629 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1629
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1631 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1631
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1634 (2 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1634
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1636 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1636
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1639 (2 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1639
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1642 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1642
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1648 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1648
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1652 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1652
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1653 (2 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1653
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1657 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1657
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1663 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1663
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1670 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1670
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1673 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1673
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1681 (2 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1681
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1682 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1682
- Propose merging Category:Canals opened in 1692 (1 P) to Category:Canals opened in the 17th century and Category:Transport infrastructure completed in 1692
- Nominator's rationale: merge, mostly single-article categories, this does not help navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:09, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Mason (talk) 23:59, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf) 09:28, 11 August 2024 (UTC)
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Cultural infrastructure
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:28, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1693 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1693
- Propose merging Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1667 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1667
- Propose merging Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1629 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1629
- Propose merging Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1679 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1679
- Propose merging Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1638 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1638
- Propose merging Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1641 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1641
- Propose merging Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1678 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1678
- Propose merging Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1651 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1651
- Propose merging Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1623 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1623
- Propose merging Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1632 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1632
- Propose merging Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1656 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1656
- Propose merging Category:Cultural infrastructure completed in 1640 to Category:Buildings and structures completed in 1640
- Nominator's rationale: merge, per precedent in this earlier discussion. The above categories weren't caught in the previous discussion as they have never even been added to the Cultural infrastructure tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:50, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Thanks for doing the heavily lifting on these! Mason (talk) 17:16, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)
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Category:Former Hindu temples
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Former Hindu temples to Category:Hindu temples and Category:History of Hinduism
- Nominator's rationale: merge, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:33, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Mason (talk) 23:58, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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Category:18th-century African-American people by occupation
[edit]- The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Queen of Hearts (talk) 00:29, 19 August 2024 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. There's only one occupation in here, which isn't helpful for navigation Mason (talk) 00:57, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Omnis Scientia (talk) 08:05, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:39, 10 August 2024 (UTC)
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