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We can live without this until 21 February 2007, and if anyone still cares by then, we can discuss it.— Jimbo Wales. On that day, the day that Jimbo randomly declared it all right to edit, discuss and improve... well, wait a second. If you study what he said closely, he doesn't even say that's what's going to happen. All he says is we may discuss it again. And well the article wasn't undeleted, but...... the talk page should be restored so we can discuss it again. SakotGrimshine 22:30, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
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The discussion at Wikipedia:User categories for discussion#Category:Wikipedians by language was speedy-kept "per this being a WP:POINT nomination" when discussion had barely begun. In fact, several people had also mentioned WP:POINT, although no one ever said exactly what point they thought I was disrupting Wikipedia to make. As it happens, I wasn't. The Babel categories (Category:Wikipedians by language and its subcategories, however long-standing they may be, are unencyclopedic. They do not help the project in any way. The few people who did manage to say something before the discussion was closed claimed these categories are used to help in translation, but in fact they aren't. Category:Available translators in Wikipedia does that. Not everyone who is competent in a given language is able to translate it, and certainly not everyone who is capable of translating a given language is willing to do so. Once the red herring of translation assistance has been removed from these categories, there's nothing left for them to do except contribute to the MySpacification of Wikipedia. Therefore I request that the speedy-keep be overturned, and the UCFD discussion allowed to run its course. —Angr 21:56, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
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Sokker Manager, a web-based soccer simulation, has grown to over 47,000 users worldwide since it was first deleted in March 2006. Similar browser games like Hattrick, Battrick, Managerzone, Championship Manager Online, and Football Dot Manager all have active Wikipeida pages, yet Sokker keeps having its page deleted based on a debate that occurred well over a year ago. Reasons for deletion then were that it was an advertisement for the game, but various Sokker users want to make it into a guide/interesting article like the other similar game pages; however, the page is not allowed to stay it cannot be completed to reach the desired article point. Sokker has a page in other Wikipedia languages including Spanish, Dutch, and Italian (and maybe a few more). Why not English? Can we have another debate or will somebody please restore this page so it can be fine-tuned and finished. After all, with 47,000+ users spanning across six different continents, it is rather notable. WildManKY 20:15, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
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One of many United States Navy officer rank insignia uploaded in 2005. Deleted by User:Majorly as having no source. I noticed this when Majorly began to orphan the commons image showing through. I believe we should WP:AGF these are indeed public domain images (works of the U.S. Navy) until shown otherwise. -N 19:13, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
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This engine fits 100% in the “proposed engine designs” [[1]] and has merit. Some criticized things can be changed. By the way: The same German article survived just a deletion attempt. [2] The Wolfhart Engine is even honored in the portal of Wikipedia: [3] --Wolfhart Willimczik - Physicist & Inventor 18:15, 15 June 2007 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Inventor (talk • contribs)
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The whole discussion was incomplete with outstanding issues unadressed and yet this has been closed and the categories removed. Also this now leaves one borough with people categorised incorrectly as being from Ealing when they may be from somewhere very different which just happens to be in the Borough of that name. Finally this now puts Ealing out of sync with the rest of the London categories, which no consideration has to be given to. The original deletion debate was at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 June 8#Category:People from Ealing by district and please note the sub cats also deleted with this. Regan123 17:42, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
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A notable footage library that owns the rights to many shows from the '50s, '60s and '70s. BlueLotas 16:40, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
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Hi, I am looking to restore my page to wikipedia. I have been working very hard to create my first wikipedia page. Seeing as I have never done this before, I have made a couple of mistakes on the copyright information about my uploaded photos and text in my article. I have all the copyrights to everything I have put up on my article; yet, due to improper citing I have been accused of plagiarsm. I would really like to fix this misunderstanding, but my page keeps getting deleted before I get a chance to and now I see it is protected so I can not even start it again correctly. I have worked very hard to try to get my page up, and it is very frustrating that the reason all of my work has been deleted is due to my lack of experience, and not plagiarism. I have just received permission from wikipedia to use the content of my article on the website. However, I am still facing notability problems and I am not sure as to why. I am not writing an autobiogrpahical entry. I am currently a student at the University of Michigan who is majoring in Comminication Studies. The woman who I am writing this page about is indeed very notable. When looking at the notability guidelines, I see that she without question meets the requirements. In the Public Relations field she has great name recognition and is regarded as an important figure by the peers in the field. Even though she has neither invented any new technology or created a new drug like other people written about in wikipedia, in the field that she is in (the world of publicity and celebrity) she is extremely important. She is published by outside reliable sources, such as NY Magazine, listed as one of the "Who's Who of American Women," and works with extremely important people (such as Presidents, Heads of States, and celebrities). I am not using wikipedia to create importance for anyone nor am I writing an article about myself or doing any other unethical thing that is frowned upon by wikipedia. I am simply trying to write about a fascinating woman who I think is extremely important in the field of Public Relations. I do not know how to impress this upon the editors, but she is a notable woman who deserves an article written about her on wikipedia. Obviously as a first-time user I have made a lot of mistakes, but now that I have been working for a couple of days I have learned more and would really like the chance to finish my article. Jororo 15:19, 15 June 2007 (UTC) — Jororo (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.
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new article with reliable and verifiable sources and new information, not previously mentioned. If approved the article should appear under IM+ title. Pleave view additional discussion on User Talk: JonHarder Leanalove 09:20, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
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"01:16, 15 June 2007 Picaroon9288 (Talk | contribs) deleted "Category:Wikipedians who support the American Civil Liberties Union" (divisive advocacy category of no encyclopedic purpose)". Surely the category could have been renamed (to members of the ACLU)? Notice he didn't call it "inflammatory" because it's not. Since it's not inflammatory, speedy deletion was inappropriate, and it should be sent to WP:UCFD. -N 11:22, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
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The MfD on this page was closed as 'blank the content' despite a clear consensus to keep... nine people, including several admins, said that the page should be kept and/or that the MfD itself was improper while five said that the page should be deleted or blanked. No, 'we don't count', but it is just ridiculous to pretend there is a 'consensus' for something when people are 2 to 1 against it. The blanked content can be seen here. Essentially, the user has complaints about Wikipedia and some users have decided that they should not be allowed to post them on their user page. Since the page was blanked rather than deleted it doesn't really belong on DRV, but people are edit warring to keep it blanked so this is as good a place as any for deciding whether Wikipedia has adopted a policy of suppressing criticism. I hope this is 'overturned' (not that it was ever really endorsed in the first place) because we have always claimed that Wikipedia is open to criticism and doesn't suppress people just for saying things we might not agree with. IMO we shouldn't be bullying and blocking users simply for criticizing some aspect of the project. It's shameful and embarrassing. We used to allow this sort of thing. CBD 11:12, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
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see also the IFD Spartaz Humbug! 11:10, 15 June 2007 (UTC) Deletion not supported by evidence; bias of closing admin Jenolen speak it! 10:11, 15 June 2007 (UTC) Closing admin User:Angr is a long-time advocate of the elimination of fair use on Wikipedia, and a curious choice to be making fair use-related decisions. His reasons for deletion: Well, there are of course the points that Abu badali and Howcheng made; in addition, it violates non-free content criteria 1 (the cast could also be illustrated with a gallery of free images of the actors), 2 (our use of the image competes directly with startrek.com's use of it), 8 (it does not "significantly increase readers' understanding of the topic in a way that words alone cannot"), and possibly 5 as well (although 5 is worded so vaguely it's difficult to tell). It also conflicts with Wikimedia Foundation's licensing policy, which requires that nonfree content be used only "to illustrate historically significant events, to include identifying protected works such as logos, or to complement (within narrow limits) articles about copyrighted contemporary works" (this image did none of that), and with Kat Walsh's statement on licensing policies, which says "There are some works, primarily historically important photographs and significant modern artworks, that we can not realistically expect to be released under a free content license, but that are hard to discuss in an educational context without including the media itself. Because the inability to include these works limits scholarship and criticism, in many jurisdictions people may use such works under limited conditions without having license or permission." This photograph was not historically important or a significant modern artwork; the topic of the article where it was used is not hard to discuss without including the photograph; and excluding this photograph does not limit scholarship and criticism relating to the topic of the article. Almost all of these points are indisputable wrong.
I also find it curious that this image was recently reduced in size by the closing admin, who, at that time, apparently had no problem with image being used in the article; why reduce in resolution an image you believe to be being used outside of policy? In short, this administrator's bias against the fair use, within policy, of copyrighted material makes the entire process suspect. Rather than rehashing the whole "fair use on Wikipedia" debate, I would hope this would be a true deletion review, reviewing the deletion of this image. Jenolen speak it! 10:11, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
About "This image is NOT copyrighted to Startrek.com", let use clarify this bit:
And about "...we are FAIRLY USING...", no we're not. We can't say we're not competing with the material's original market role without knowing the original market role intended for this material. And the info "copyrighted to CBS" doesn't give us any information about the original market role. --Abu badali (talk) 17:44, 21 June 2007 (UTC) But your casual mention of 1,8, and maybe 5 shows how wrong this deletion was from the start. 1 - "No free equivalent" - you appear to be the only one who believes there's a "free equivalent" available to a photo of the cast of a TV show, in costume, on a set from the show, and with two of the actors wearing significantly appearance-altering makeup. All Star Trek images are going to be copyrighted by CBS/Paramount; I still disagree with your premise a "free equivalent" exists. There are free images of the actors individually, sure, but no image that is in any way a "free equivalent" to this one. 8 - Significance - Well, the TV show was about people. This was the only image of them on the page about the TV show. Are you seriously arguing an image of the characters in a TV show is not "significant" to the encyclopedia entry about that show? That argument is ridiculous on its face. And 5 - Non-free content meets general Wikipedia content requirements and is encyclopedic - Well, as stated, it was the only image of the characters of a TV show on the encyclopedia entry page for that show. Encyclopedic? Check. Resolution reduced so as to meet "general Wikipedia content requirements"? Check -- by you, I should add. Why did you reduce the resolution of this image if you felt it was being improperly used? What changed in your thinking about it? But since your arguments about WP:NFCC 1,8, and 5 aren't sound, it's apparently only the sourcing issue you have a real beef with. And you'd rather delete than fix. Fine; can I assume you'd support re-uploading this image with proper sourcing? Jenolen speak it! 17:35, 21 June 2007 (UTC)
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The nominator for this article (created in 2004) basically said it should be deleted because it is a list, saying it is a "list of..." article and therefore should be deleted. Almost every list is going to start with "list of." The nominator said to refer to this AfD for more reasons, which he/she also nominated for deletion, but that nomination told us nothing more. Most of the delete votes gave the reason "per nom" (or "just a list" or "too many lists on Wikipedia"). The others gave the reason that it should be deleted because it would be too hard to maintain, one saying too many songs from non-notable red-linked bands would appear. This was never a problem and if it became one I'm sure it would not be too hard to remove non-notable songs that users add. Another user gave an example "Don't Fear the Reaper" that is very easily interpreted to be about suicide, although it is never mentioned explicitly in the lyrics. The article had a whole section for this, List of songs about suicide#Misinterpreted, where it was introduced as "[s]ongs either misinterpreted as songs about suicide, or where a reference to suicide cannot be ruled out." One user voted keep saying "songs about suicide have generated a lot of notice and litigation in the US" and giving some examples. Another user made a comment that these would serve better in a separate article (not a list) and convinced that user to strike out the keep vote. But that article they described was deleted here. They were told about Suicide song's AfD but no reply was made. Tim Q. Wells 07:35, 15 June 2007 (UTC)
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