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23 November 2008

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  • Ernest Daudet – Request declined. In xes request, requester provided adequates sourcing to prove that it should be relatively simple to just recreate an article at this title without overturning an 18+ month old AFD and restoring an article that will be of little to no value in the required re-writing. – Jerry delusional ¤ kangaroo 01:53, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article above. Please do not modify it.

Ernest Daudet (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore | cache | AfD))

Ernest Daudet is a very notable french writer, brother of Alphonse Daudet. You can see English sources [1]. Please restore and I will add. -- Remembrance of old (talk) 13:58, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.
The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article above. Please do not modify it.

Diecast Car Collectors Of The Philippines (DCPH) (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore | cache | AfD))

Please consider my request for undeletion of Diecast Car Collectors Of The Philippines (DCPH). The article is worthy of inclusion because it serves a purpose for the youth and for diecast collectors. As Killiondude told me that the page was remove because of its notability and if i can present third party sources about DCPH like newspaper print and online write ups about the group or magazine articles it could serve as a proof that DCPH is a notable group. Here are some of the the articles of DCPH online newspaper article online write up about the group newspaper articlethis is a scan document from a newspaper Business World January 16, 2008 issue. I hope this will help. DCPH is a group that builds camaraderie and serve as a home for filipino diecast collectors. If you find something on the article in which you want to remove or edited I am willing to change it. Thank you very much and hoping for your kind consideration. Frozenicecubes (talk) 14:25, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • On the deletion review page, there is an instruction "Deletion Review is to be used where someone is unable to resolve the issue in discussion with the administrator (or other editor) in question. This should be attempted first – courteously invite the admin to take a second look". I haven't noticed this discussion taking place. Can the nominator please explain why (or point out where the discussion was, as I may have missed it)? Stifle (talk) 20:41, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi Stifle as per your request here is the page of my discussion with Killiondude [[2]] he did not reply again to my query thats why i thought having a discussion here will help to solve the issue. Frozenicecubes (talk) 05:44, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Killiondude did not delete the page. Jac16888 did. Stifle (talk) 10:01, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks Stifle I thought Killiondude deleted the page because he is the one who left a message on my talk page but i also send query to Jac16888 regarding the deletion.Frozenicecubes (talk) 12:13, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Endorse deletion. Sorry, the provided sources do not substantiate notability of this group per WP:N or WP:ORG. The picture caption mentions the group as a donor of monies to a charity, the online newspaper article is written from an insider point-of-view, and is more of a press-release type story. The other one is an outright advertisement. Jerry delusional ¤ kangaroo 02:05, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Allow recreation - The article was speedy deleted because the article text did not indicate the importance/significance of the topic per A7. Instead of blazing six guns of blogs and websites and bad faith accusations, Frozenicecubes' very polite request includes links to reliable source material (albiet on the lower end). This says that Frozenicecubes knows what to look for. In addition, there is another entire write up on the Diecast Car Collectors of the Philippines at

    Salazar, Tessa R. (October 4, 2006). "Satisfy your fantasy car collection (without sweating a drop of gas)". Philippine Daily Inquirer. p. 2. Lead sentence: JUST BECAUSE YOU cant have one in the garage doesnt mean you cant have one in your display shelf! That seems to be the maxim of the Diecast Car Collectors of the Philippines also known as Diecast Car Philippines..

    There likely is more sources out there because this topic can be called Diecast Car Philippines and Diecast Car Collectors of the Philippines and both of these names can vary as diecast, die cast, or die-cast (see Diecast car#History), giving a total of six in which reliable sources could have used to discuss the group. In addition, the source material likely is in the Philippines, which does not have extensive online reliable sources like other countries. Also, I'm persuaded that this is the right way to go because Frozenicecubes uses "nice" in his user name. -- Suntag ☼ 03:23, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Suntag, I am willing to edit or modify DCPH page since this is my first wikipedia article :). Frozenicecubes (talk) 05:44, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep deleted. The deleted page did not indicate in any way how the club is notable, important, or signifiant (see WP:ORG). Consider writing about it on your own website instead. Stifle (talk) 16:52, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • On the other hand, it's worth noting that just like any other speedy deletion, the article can be recreated as long as the reason for deletion is addressed. Some recommendations:
      1. Wikipedia:Your first article
      2. Start with a userspace draft and get an experienced user to check it over before moving to the mainspace
      3. Include information that would be useful to the world at large, not (just) to the club and its members (in particular, the forum rules should not be included here)
      4. Try to write in a more formal tone
    • Good luck! Stifle (talk) 16:54, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Frozenicecubes (talk) 07:28, 28 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.
The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the article above. Please do not modify it.

Stevanna Jackson (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) (restore | cache | AfD))

I am requesting an undeletion of Stevanna Jackson due to the policy and guidelines of WP:Bio .. here is the clear indication why that article should be undeleted due to Wiki's own guidelines : Within Wikipedia, notability is an inclusion criterion based on encyclopedic suitability of a topic for a Wikipedia article.

The topic of an article should be notable, or "worthy of notice." Notability is distinct from "fame," "importance," or "popularity," although these may positively correlate with it. A topic is presumed to be sufficiently notable to merit an article if it meets the general notability guidelines below, or if it meets an accepted subject-specific standard listed in the table at the right. If an article currently does not cite reliable secondary sources, that does not necessarily mean that its topic is not notable.

Stevanna Jackson inspires a whole generation of young African American teens to strive to be the best they can be. Not just in the arts but in striving to achieve personal excellence in education. Aside from being related to one of the most famous entertainment families in the world, she has made amazing accomplishments on her own through hard work and tenacity. If you can tell me why the other hosts from The Disney Movie Surfers are notable enough to have their own wiki pages then I will let this whole issue go. Stevanna Jackson has been working as an actress since she is four years old. Beyond being a current host of Disney's Movie Surfers, she has worked with some of the biggest industry producers like Lorne Michaels, Tom Warner & Marcy Carsy of the Cosby show. She was also in a live Fox special with Carlos Santana. She also has been in 7th Heaven as Marie, featured on NBC's The Tracy Morgan show as Simone, and a few episodes of Zoey 101 as Tasha. There is still lot of other body of work which was not originally included in her Wikipedia page, however, there was the very basic information. Stevanna Jackson is an artist who is under the radar,but she by far sufficiently notable to merit an article. Furthermore, just because some wiki editors haven't done the research, it does not mean it does not exist. Currently, Stevanna Jackson is attending Harvard University class of 2012, that alone in itself "worthy of notice", let alone all of the other body of work.
Comment: Attending Harvard doesn't make someone notable; thousands of people attend Harvard every year. —Politizer talk/contribs 22:10, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have noticed a lot of editors/admins seem caught up in being right, they just dread being questioned and act like they are infallible, need I remind them that they are human and can and make mistakes all the time. If Stevanna Jackson must get deleted,pleas take a look at Tessa Ludwick. Not only it absolutely does not fall under the inclusion criterion, but it is so poorly written that it states that she had a few parts in the movie Thirteen and tell me how and why some of the other movie surfers, get and keep their wikipages, while the most notable one with a fan base does not?

I appreciate your consideration in advance for this unfair deletion, and respectfully request (after careful review of all of the facts), that the wikipage for Stevanna Jackson be undeleted and if Wikipedia can write a quality, well-written, sourced articles that meet the guidelines about her. I know this can only be a greater reflection on Wikipedia. Thank you for your time. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Fantasia 15 (talk • contribs) 11:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]

  • Endorse the deletion - That AfD participants all agreeded on deleting the article because the topic has not received sufficient coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject. See General notability guideline. The closer of that AfD could not have close the discussion in any other way. Google books, scholar, and news don't bring up any information. Even IMDB is light on information about her. Since her accomplishments have not been memorialized in in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, there would be no content to add to such an article. Comment Tessa Ludwick has received some write ups. See Google news, books, and scholar. Stevanna Jackson probably should get a new press agent. -- Suntag ☼ 16:09, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • On the deletion review page, there is an instruction "Deletion Review is to be used where someone is unable to resolve the issue in discussion with the administrator (or other editor) in question. This should be attempted first – courteously invite the admin to take a second look". I haven't noticed this discussion taking place. Can the nominator please explain why (or point out where the discussion was, as I may have missed it)? When replying, you might also mention why the review is being listed so long after the AFD. Stifle (talk) 20:42, 23 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Endorse deletion That the subject of this article is an up-and-coming star is commendable. That she is inspiring a whole new generation is super. Once that effort garners attention outside of wikipedia, and there are sources independent of the subject to draw upon, at that time, an article here will undoubtedly be appropriate. Until such time, however, it is not. Wikipedia is not the place to begin one's escalation to fame. Jerry delusional ¤ kangaroo 01:58, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Endorse deletion I don't know what the article looked like before being deleted, but if this is any indication of what we can expect, I see no encyclopaedic value in bringing it back. —Politizer talk/contribs 05:50, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Endorse deletion I've read it, and just no evidence of notability jimfbleak (talk) 19:56, 24 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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