Wikipedia:Deletion review/Log/2014 September 2

Michael A. Aquino – There was little discussion, but apart from the requester, nobody agrees that the unanimous "delete" outcome of the AfD should be undone. The request to restore or be allowed to recreate the article is therefore, for now, declined. – Sandstein 09:29, 10 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it.

The initial discussion determined this article should be deleted at the subject’s request, and there was a discussion that the individual was not significant, and also no longer relevant. Additionally, it has been argued that the subject is adequately covered elsewhere. I would have to disagree. First, with regards to the subject’s request for privacy I would have to argue that his actions in the interim do not warrant a request for privacy. In the interim he has released another book (http://www.amazon.com/dp/1484926455) and conducted interviews (http://disinfo.com/2013/09/devils-advocate-interview-dr-michael-aquino ). Additionally, it is not a case where the interviews were about only the book. He is answering questions regarding the areas discussed in the original article. It seems the issue is less a desire for privacy and more a desire to control what is said. As an encyclopedia, there should not be consideration taken to honor a request based on that reasoning. One should not be allowed to request privacy and then continue to remain a public figure. As for his notoriety, it is clear the importance goes beyond a significant role in the Church of Satan and having founded the Temple of Set, although I feel those alone would make him more worthy of inclusion than many other subjects (at lease with a redirect to Temple of Set). Mr. Aquino was an intelligence officer for the US during Vietnam, and is credited with the creation of many techniques that continue to be used today. In fact, it is Psychological Warfare, and not Satanism, that is the subject of his new book. If his role in development were as large as he argues then he would be worthy of an article. Additionally, Mr. Aquino attempted to make himself the face of Satanism in the 1980’s, conducting several national TV and magazine interviews. He presented himself as the highest profile Satanist in the United States at the time of the Satanic Panic. Again, it is hard to argue that someone who took that action, and received such recognition is not significant. Finally, while obviously hogwash, Mr. Aquino is a major figure in conspiracy theory circles. I would not argue the allegations should be repeated in an article, but I would argue that it is yet another area that should be mentioned both with regards to the current environment and the Satanic Panic of the 80’s. By and large I believe that this undeletion was done in good faith, but that it represents manipulation of information by the subject, and is, in essence, no different than a subject editing his own article to paint himself in a better light, and is in many ways worse as it represents not just the manipulation of information but the hiding of it. 198.135.124.71 (talk) 19:36, 2 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Can you show where Aquino has received coverage in reliable sources (WP:RS) to where he would merit an article separate from Temple of Set? At a previous AfD (Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Michael Aquino) there was a lot of concern that Aquino did not have a lot of notability apart from the Temple of Set, as most of the reliable sources only mentioned him in relation to ToS. He had also requested that his article be deleted, which did have a lot of weight on the discussion, but it was a valid concern. As far as his other accomplishments, we would still require coverage of this in multiple reliable sources that are not WP:PRIMARY or otherwise considered unusable. The thing is, just writing a book does not make someone notable, nor does being known within a community or group. I'm not trying to be harsh, it's just that being known (WP:EVERYONE) is not enough to show notability and overturn an AfD- especially since Aquino himself requested that the article be deleted. As far as him being the creator of several techniques that are used within the military, that could help count towards notability but you would still have to show coverage of this in reliable sources. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 07:35, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just coming on and saying we should restore it isn't enough- you have to show proof that we should go against the previous AfD and Aquino's wishes. If someone is notable enough then we can still have an article for them even if they were to request it be deleted, but we really, really need that coverage since this is slightly different than some of the other biography-related articles on Wikipedia in that he specifically requested its deletion. Even if since that point he has decided to strip naked and run down the busiest streets in New York City with a banner saying he's the founder of the ToS, we would still have to default to the last ORTS ticket he submitted. If you can get him to submit a new one where he says that he's fine with having an article, that would be very, very helpful. Tokyogirl79 (｡◕‿◕｡) 07:38, 3 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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