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  • Draft:Sphere Matchers – Strictly speaking there were some technical errors in the deletion process used here, for which the deleting sysop has already apologized. This discussion took place simultaneously with another on AN/I, at which we can see clear and credible evidence that the DRV nominator is an LTA editing through a proxy. The article may not be a blatant hoax within the meaning of G3, but its sources are fake as shown below, and in the circumstances we're certainly not going to restore it at DRV. WP:DENY applies, and I hereby speedily, summarily and unilaterally close this review without result. If anyone has a strong urge to add anything further, the AN/I is still open while the people who understand range-blocking do their thing.—S Marshall T/C 16:59, 6 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it.
Draft:Sphere Matchers (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)
Draft:Bobik Platz (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (restore)

Draft was speedly deleted under G3 criteria, when G3: Blatant hoax didn't apply because the company and the supposed video game in development is real. Unfortunately though, the IGN links on the references on both draft articles are dead links and I couldn't find anything beside the FANDOM page about both company and the game they developed. Also, the first page hasn't been submitted yet and full create-protection is unnecessary for the latter case. 36.74.42.66 (talk) 14:47, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See also: WP:DRV#Bobik Platz, Sphere Matchers and SM Billiards on Simple English Wikipedia

  • Comment - If they created a Fandom link as part of a hoax, that is an elaborate hoax extending beyond Wikipedia, and does not seem to be what G3 was meant to deal with. At this point, it looks like Send to XFD. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:37, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I G3'ed after seeing an AN report and my own investigation showed the sources were faked on Wikipedia. If said sources ever existed, surely someone caring about this article could show through archive.org that the IGN articles are real, but I won't be holding my breath. (90% sure I checked at the time, but need an admin to provide the links) Simple also deleted it as a hoax. There is no indication anywhere on the net that EA is planning to distribute. That fandom has zero standards should not legitimize a hoax. Slywriter (talk) 18:58, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Archive344#Draft:Sphere_Matchers was the AN. Also interesting that IP knows what links were in a deleted article and despite responding here has not addressed the complete BS link they gave above. Slywriter (talk) 19:53, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    From what I understand, the IPs that edited in the Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Angelmunoz50/Archive were from Spain, whereas the IPs involved here are from Indonesia.--Bbb23 (talk) 20:04, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I disagree with @Slywriter: salting the page about the company who created Sphere Matchers, in the case of any information about the aforementioned company appears in the foreseeable future and I also @Trade: to assess the accusations of me being a sockpuppet of User:LiliaMiller2002 LTA. 36.74.40.153 (talk) 19:38, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - A different article on Simple wiki was deleted (QD A4, the same as our CSD A7), and the game was claimed to be by the same game author [2] Google shows "SM Billiards is an upcoming cue sports simulation video game and a spin-off to Sphere Matchers, developed by Bobik Platz and published by EA Sports." but I'm not an admin on Simple, so can't see who wrote it. This could be a larger troll. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 20:22, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Endorse deletion. Archive.org shows that both supposed references in the deleted draft were 404 on exactly the access-date listed in the deleted draft. I think that's strong evidence that they were never valid and that it's a hoax. —David Eppstein (talk) 20:27, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Endorse deletion per oddities and David Eppstein. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 20:29, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Endorse deletion it appears on a FANDOM wiki for fan fiction, has some non existent links to IGN, for a game supposedly being published by EA next year, and no one else on the internet is talking about it. What am I missing? 81.100.164.154 (talk) 20:50, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Literal hoax, which is a big L for me for putting into Wikipedia and Wikidata because doing so is WP:POINTy and my IQ level is like a MOAB Glue. 36.74.40.153 (talk) 22:15, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment I've now looked back at my actions on salting Draft:Bobby Platz. I appear to have responded on the 'note to admins' on the CSD template notice about repeated recreation, rather than confirming a history of repeat deletions myself. That was wrong of me. I also preemptively salted Bobby Platz based on that note, and appreciate that both were done without proper cause. My apologies. That said, I am unconvinced there is anything genuine whatsoever about either article, and found the three IP addresses in this matter - both here and on Simple Wikipedia - all geolocating to the exact same spot in Indonesia. I am OK with unsalting both pages (which I have just done). However, I feel deletion was justified, and feel close monitoring will be essential to ensure WP:V is met, using sources that are WP:RS. I think we need to see some genuine sources presented here (that actually work) before restoring any of this content back into Draftspace. That includes the purported website of Bobik Platz, as linked from the draft page. For a company alleged to have 152 employees, the website link does not work, nor are there any Google results available for this so-called company, other than a mention on a user-generated site. I shall keep both pages permanently on my Watchlist. Nick Moyes (talk) 20:57, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I would be amazed if the website link ever worked, since .platz isn't a valid TLD --81.100.164.154 (talk) 21:28, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Two different people, including me, have tagged the OP IP as a proxy, in a nest of proxies, plus some others, with likely LTA connections, so while salting might be a little out of process, I would endorse keeping them salted. This will be more evident shortly. Dennis Brown - 2¢ 21:10, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As stated above, I had just unsalted them for my failure of due process. But we can see how it pans out. Nick Moyes (talk) 21:40, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just noting that I believe this is a confession of its a hoax - Special:Diff/1102591053. Regardless, I'll double-check deletion logs before requesting salt in the future. Though perhaps a discussion warranted there about Admin discretion for Hoaxes, cross-wiki abuse or otherwise purely disruptive. Slywriter (talk) 21:42, 5 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.
The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it.
Princess Princep Shah of Nepal (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

Was closed (very reasonably and agreeably) with not much discussion, no arguments to keep, I think everyone missed that she passes WP:ANYBIO on the basis of her Nansen Refugee Award I'd like to work on the article CT55555 (talk) 14:24, 4 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.
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