Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of murinines/archive1

List of murinines

Featured list candidates/List of murinines/archive1

Nominator(s): Pres N 19:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Bats list #7 and mammal list #48: Murininae. The list is small and the bats are smaller: this third list of four in Vespertilionidae has only 35 species to keep track of, all of which are pretty similar (though the guy in the lede image has some neat silver coloring). As always, this list reflects formatting discussions from prior lists as well as the scientific consensus on the family. Thanks for reviewing! --Pres N 19:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support - I got nothing :-) I notice that the lead image is a duplicate of one of the ones in the table - it might be nice to use an image for the lead that isn't also in the table but this isn't a deal-breaker, not least because I expect that the reason is that there aren't any other tube-nosed bat images available..... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 12:02, 27 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Image Comments

ALT text is not used consistently.

All bat images have alt text; the maps have a stock alt text because they have visible captions instead for the same purpose. Is anything else missing alt text?

Dobson images could be marked PD-100 to better serve readers in countries with longer terms of copyright.

Done

What are the source files for the maps? Seems to only be a problem with the ones by A proietti.

No idea; they appear to have been created based on maps in the books named (Menkhorst & Knight, 2001, for example, is A Field Guide to the Mammals of Australia, while Flannery 1995 is either Mammals of the South-west Pacific & Moluccan Islands or Mammals of New Guinea (he split the work into two volumes, published in the same year))

Not the source data, but the source of the maps themselves. Your other map images all note where the digital maps came from. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:27, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hmm, I've seen that map style before, but while I look: A proietti, it's been a decade, but do you recall where you got the base blank map image for e.g. File:Distribution_of_Murina_annamitica.png? --Pres N 23:41, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Having trouble finding it; it's File:World_map_blank_shorelines_semiwikimapia.svg but with country borders. --Pres N 00:15, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

That definitely appears to be the style. I haven't had much luck either. :/ — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:59, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Distribution of Murina florium.png - Which colour refers to which subspecies?

Unclear, which is why I didn't mention it in the caption

I'm not sure this meets the criteria for WP:V if we don't have that information available. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:27, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@Chris Woodrich Hi! Since these images were made for the related pages on it.wikipedia.org, the color corresponding to the subspecies can be found there. Some, however, are transcribed in the remarks. Available for any comparison. Greetings! A proietti (talk) 14:46, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, A proietti! PresN, referring to it-wiki, M.f.florium is red, M.f.lanosa is blue, and M.f.toxopei is green. Having that information should fix this issue. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:55, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Done. --Pres N 15:28, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

i've inserted this info in the image remarks! A proietti (talk) 15:56, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

@A proietti: Thanks! Do you remember where you got the base blank map image from? --Pres N 16:04, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Unfortunately not. Certainly from Commons, .svg format, different map projections which I then modified in .png format. They are more than 10 years old, I had slightly dated software at that time A proietti (talk) 16:12, 30 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

File:Murinaharrisoni.jpg is marked as "own work", but the author seems to have previously published it in the article describing the species. Did they retain copyright to the image, or did copyright shift to the journal upon publication? Also, do we have verification that Csorba is Gábor Csorba (the author of the paper)? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:29, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't see any verification, but the image isn't that useful, so removed.

Prose:

"Like all bats, murinines are capable of true and sustained flight, and have wing lengths ranging from 2 cm (1 in) to 6 cm (2 in)." -- Wingspan doesn't apply to all bats; might be better with the previous sentence.

Split into two sentences

Almost no murinines have population estimates, though two species—the Da Lat tube-nosed bat and Ryukyu tube-nosed bat—are categorized as endangered species, and two species—the Bala tube-nosed bat and gloomy tube-nosed bat—are categorized as critically endangered. - Any way of avoiding the repetition of "species"? — Chris Woodrich (talk) 19:31, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Removed first species, it should be clear from the aside that we mean two species, not two individual bats.

@Crisco 1492: Addressed. --Pres N 23:06, 29 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Source and prose review by Generalissima

Prose is solid, I don't have any comments to make there.
Tables are correctly formatted (they're a template, after all!)
Almost everything is cited to the IUCN Red List, a good quality source for this.
- I checked a random smattering of the IUCN links, and everything checks out.
- Ditto on Nowak 1994.

Support on both fronts. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 19:07, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]