Wikipedia:Help desk/Archive 21

Copyright question

Are the insignias of the military free use?Howabout1 ^{Talk to me!} 00:50, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

Well, I'm going to be gone from the 22nd to July 3rd. If anyone knows, can they drop me a note at my talk page. Howabout1 ^{Talk to me!} 15:39, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

USS New York LPD 21

I want a mailing address for Mr Bat Robinson, V.P. of Northrip Grumman Shipbuilding. (I saw his photo and name on the History Channel, about the building of the Uss New York), I'm trying to obtain a small piece of stell from the World trade Center in New York City.

I am the Chaplian of the USS ASHLAND LSD ASSOCIATION, Inc.(for 9 years) I am a Past President, and hosted our reunion in Niagara Falls in 1997. I want the piece of steel, from the World Trade Center disaster, to make a small cross that I can carry with me to our reunions, to allow many of our members to use the cross as a prayer connection item. Most of the old crew, has never had the chance to touch a piece of that steel. I have, at the New York State Fair and in Dewitt, NY. I served on the USS Ashland LSD-1 during the Korean War for three years. I can do the milling, or recutting of the steel. It should not be bigger than 2.25" x 4.50" x 1/8" thick.

We hold our annual reunions in a different city every summer. It will be in Philadelphia in 2006.

I've tried several state politicians, for information, as to whom to contact for a piece of steel.But they have no idea, how to find a piece. Please contact me with an address.

John J. Cooper 151 Norwood Ave. Syracuse, NY 13206, or by Email my phone is (315) 463-8089

Copyright

I am in need of some pictures for the publication of a history book. I was wondering if the pictures on Wikipedia are public domain, or would I need to pay for them? Thank you.

Every image has a its own individual status, indicated on the image's page (click on any image, and possibly select another link for images on commons). Some are in the public domain, while others are under the GFDL. Some are fair use or used with permission, but this is now rare. In general, you can't contract with Wikipedia for the rights; you would instead need to contact the original copyright holder. I should also point out that, even if an image has an appropriate tag on its page, using it in a book may place an onus on you to verify its status for yourself. If you indicate which images you're looking at, we could be more specific. By the way, you can sign your comments here and on talk pages by appending four tildes (~~~~). You can point us at the relevant images by using an extra colon, e.g. [[:Image:Some filename.jpg]], to avoid inlining the picture itself. Bovlb 04:22, 2005 Jun 20 (UTC)

You should also take advice from your printers on image quality and resolution issues. An image from a web site is very rarely of a good enough quality to use in a book, no matter how it looks on a screen. Without getting too technical, there aren't enough dots; printed paper needs more dots. (Some pictures in Wikipedia, do, however, offer higher resolution versions.) Notinasnaid 08:55, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What do I need to do to make an article searchable?

Greetings.

I have created the following page, which I can view at:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Tsunami_PTSD_Center

However, I am unable to find this via search, even when I enter the exact term in the search tool.

Please advise. I thank you in advance for any help.

Best,

Joe (uname: JKustelski) Update I have just created this page: which is searchable by the exact term. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsunami_PTSD_Center Is this all that I need to do, or is the next step to go and link the Tsunami PTSD Center into applicable articles? Thanks, JK

You couldn't find the article because you created it in the "Wikipedia" namespace (where we create policy) instead of the "Main" namespace (where we create articles). The search feature does not search the "Wikipedia" namespace unless you specifically request it to. Then, you recreated the article in the "Main" namespace by cutting and pasting, resulting in two separate articles.

Basically, this is just a minor issue, an easy mistake to make. In the future, when creating articles, make sure you put them in the "Main" namespace (in other words, don't prefix "Wikipedia" to the beginning of the title). However, when a page is in the wrong namespace, or is at the wrong title, we use the "move" command at the top of the page to move it, rather than cutting and pasting, because cutting and pasting results in extra work. Don't worry, however, we'll get it straightened out. Please do not edit this article again until we get everything fixed.

If you have other questions, ask them on my talk page. -- Essjay · Talk 06:19, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

Problem solved. -- Essjay · Talk 06:58, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

routers, hubs, gateways and possibly switches

can anyone put together a comparison chart or explain the actual differences and similarities between the three or four confusing items ? all that i read is just wimpy, airey, meaningless, wordy definitions. thanks tom mcintyre mcintyremcintyre@hotmail.com

Hubs and switches are passive network components that provide network connectivity on the hardware level (with today's equipment, usually Ethernet) and rely on the network software (today, usually TCP/IP) to handle the connections - which basically means that all machines connected to a hub/switch must be configured in such a way that they are able to see each other on the network. The difference between a hub and a switch is that the hub just provides one common backbone connection for all machines connected to the hub whereas a switch establishes a separate connection for each machine that wants to talk to another machine (which gives a performance boost because on a hub, two computers interchanging large amounts of data will slow down the whole backbone while on a switch, these two computers will have a connection for themselves without influencing other computers connected to the same switch).

Routers and gateways, on the other hand, are active components that provide some sort of interconnectivity between different networks (these might be different IP subnets, an IP subnet and some other type of network, or whatever) - the difference being that a router is generally assumed to be a hardware device that can be configured to provide gateway functionality while a gateway is the logical funtionality provided by a router (the distinction makes sense since gateway functionality does not necessarily have to be provided by a router, it can be provided by any computer with at least two network adapters). Most routers also provide the functionality of a hub/switch, and the terms "router" and "gateway" are often used without a clear distinction, so I guess there's in fact some confusion about those terms :P -- Ferkelparade π 08:04, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ethernet isn't on the hardware level, Category 5 (CAT5) cabling is. Hubs work on the physical (hardware) layer and are sometimes called 'Multiport Repeaters' because all the data that arrives in one port is forwarded to every port (except the originating port). Hubs are dumb devices.

Switches, on the other hand, are smart. Switches work on Layer 2 (the Data Link Layer). A switch stores an ARP cache in it's memory, which lists the MAC addresses of every device connected. When a switch receives a frame, it reads the Destination MAC address and forwards that frame to the port which the device is connected on. If the MAC Address is unknown to the switch, the frame is flooded out all ports (much like a hub would do)

The assassination of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

Sir, Can you make a link to this article on your MLK assassination page? http://crimemagazine.com/05/martinlutherking,0612-5.htm

David White?

I was just scrolling through the Wiki obits, when I came upon David White, who had drowned at the age of 50, in his swimming pool on Gibralter, this past January 8, 2005. I went to see who he was, and came up with somebody supposedly born in 1916 (? - I may have the year wrong), who had his big career break in the 1960s as a soccer manager, and died around 1990. I don't know who either of these people are, and I don't know how to fix this. But something obviously is wrong with the links and/or information. Help? --Mothperson 18:58, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

We've only one entry for a David White (who must have been some kind of miracle-worker, if he got Dundee to win anything); my guess is that someone entered the name, saw it wasn't a redlink, and didn't bother to check it was the right person. It's quite common for names like this, which are almost guaranteed to be shared by two people; unfortunately, no idea who he was, or I'd put in a disambiguation page. Shimgray 19:03, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Oh, here we are - senior military officer in Gibraltar. [1] Death was a bit odd, given it was viewed as unlikely to be accidental, but the police ruled out foul play. Shimgray 19:04, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

There also seems to be a David Patillo White, so if you make a disambiguation page put him in too. Howabout1 ^{Talk to me!} 19:07, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

Shimgray already knows how useless I am with moving stuff around. I don't know how to make a disambiguation page. But if one or both of you would give me intructions, that did not involve entering one of those dreaded Wiki roundabouts, I would like to learn. --Mothperson 19:16, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Okay. Start tutorial - We have David White. What we want is to end up with a disambiguation page, linking to all three. Go to that link, click "move page", and send it to... oh... David White (footballer). This'll make "David White" a redirect to "David White (footballer)". Shimgray 20:15, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Next, when you've done that, click on the link to David White. It should redirect you to ...(footballer), and you get a link saying "(Redirected from David White)" Click on that, it takes you back to the redirect page. Edit this page, add {{disambig}} to it (which notes it as a disambiguation page), then write links to the three articles in question - David White (footballer), David Patillo White, and our naval chap - not sure what to call him. [[David White (officer}]], perhaps? May as well leave it as a redlink anyway. And we have our disambiguation page! Let me know if this doesn't work. Shimgray 20:21, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Well....... At one point I had a page with a blue David White (footballer), a blue David Patillo White, and a red David White (naval officer) listed on it, under a "1. Redirect from etc." Then I saved it, and now I don't know where that page is, and what I have is a David White (footballer) page, and David White (redirect from David White (footballer) page , although I suppose I could find the David Patillo White page if I went looking. So, maybe I did the right thing, and maybe I didn't. I can't tell. But I did read your instructions several times, and they seemed pretty clear. So is the plain David White our officer, even if he was in red? And now what, since only the footballer has any information on his page? You must understand, you are trying to instruct (and very valiantly!) someone who wore mismatched shoes to the post office, and - omg - everywhere - today, and did not realize it for over 5 hours. severely organizationally challenged Mothperson 21:04, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Hmmmm... I just change the redirect page David White to a disambig page. Either you put it in the wrong place or it didn't show on my computer. You're listed in the history of David White. Howabout1 ^{Talk to me!} 21:13, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

It's all working now, at least... two with content, one redlink, who's the drowned guy we were looking for in the first place. Shimgray 21:15, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

So did I completely screw up, or only mostly almost completely screw up? Which David White history am I in - the footballer or the no-description? --Mothperson 21:19, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC) And I added the disambig thing at the top of the page - was this the wrong place?

You're in the history of David White, the disambig page - but it seems, for some reason, that when you deleted the redirect and added the disambig template it didn't save properly [2]. Otherwise, worked fine. Shimgray 21:22, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Aha! I get it. I've been having problems with my "save"'s lately. I think I did it right, except for that, then. Thanks to you. Yay! Shimgray, I've saved your directions on a separate document. If I can teach myself two systems of CAD, I ought to be able to master some of this wiki stuff, even if my shoes don't match, damn it. Thank you very much, both of you. --Mothperson 21:36, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Except now I've just read about David White, and am depressed.

reference citing

How do I cite Wikipedia for a grad. paper? Havene't done one in 20+ years & I can't figure it out. Just the name & web address or what? Please hurry! Thanks 6/20/05. watts.

See Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. Shimgray 20:42, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

qs and gs

When underlined words appear, one never knows if g's are g's or if q's are q's. The underline covers the bottom part. Could you please fix this problem? Thx.

Test: gq gq. I see a difference, but in a small font only one pixel.--Patrick 22:42, Jun 20, 2005 (UTC)

glossary

Dear Wiki! I didn't find glossary in the encyclopedia page. I am in the Business of earthquake, his origins and his forecast. A terminology in the use of Wiki portal is strange to me. Respectfully, konstantin oz@oz.pro.br

You can use the Search/Go bar, which should be in the left column of your screen. Type in a keyword and press enter; if there is an article, it should go there, otherwise it searches all the articles. Wikipedia has an article on earthquake here- see if that helps you. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 22:17, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

A page of Wikipedia-specific glossary terms (which I think is what you want) is at Wikipedia:Glossary. The Portugese-language Wikipedia (I apologise if I'm guessing wrong - I'm guessing you speak Portugese, as you're Brazilian) doesn't seem to have a specific glossary page, but it has help pages here, which may help if you're more comfortable in that language. (Wikipedia:Help has a lot of links to help pages in other languages, on the left-hand side of the page) Shimgray 22:34, 20 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Duplicate articles, not sure what to do.

I was browsing through unmanned space mission articles and came across a duplicate entry for the Kecksburg Incident. Here are the two articles in question.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kecksburg_UFO_incident http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kecksburg_UFO_Incident

I'm not sure what to do in this case. I feel the first article is superior to the second, should it be deleted? I'm not sure how I would go about doing that if that's the case. My only editing of Wikipedia articles so far as been reverting obvious vandalism, making minor edits, or adding new information.

Thanks in advance.

You could be bold, and merge the material together into the first article, changing the second article into a redirect. Bovlb 05:05, 2005 Jun 21 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Duplicate articles describes what you could do if you don't have enough time to do the merge yourself. — Sebastian (T) 05:00, 2005 Jun 22 (UTC)

Template for telling people not to post copyrighted material?

Is there a template similar to Template:Test1 or Template:Test2 that I could post on people's talk pages, telling them not to post copyrighted material on Wikipedia (and perhaps explaining why)? TheCoffee 05:59, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I created Template:Cv for my own use, but I must note that this is not an "official" template. Gamaliel 06:04, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This template is also available: {{subst:nothanks|Article}}. It produces:

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia! We welcome and appreciate your contributions, such as Article, but we regretfully cannot accept copyrighted text borrowed from web sites. For more information, take a look at our policy library. Happy editing!

Hope this helps. -- Essjay · Talk 06:11, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

the difference between subst and nothing.

What's the difference between using the template normally and using subst:? WB 06:53, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

• Nevermind. got it now. WB 07:18, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Just for the benefit of other editors who come along and may not know, using just the template causes the template name {{example}} to apper when editing the page. Using "subst:" (as in {{{1}}} → {{{1}}} causes the template text to appear as it is displayed on the page and makes the text editable.

An example: The template name is {{example}}, and when inserted shows the text "This is an example template." If you just use the template, when an editor clicks on "edit this page" they will see {{example}} and will not be able to edit the template text. If you use "subst:", when an editor clicks on "edit this page" they will see "This is an example template" and will be able to edit the text.

-- Essjay · Talk 07:39, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

• less bandwidth usage is the only goal with subst:. I'm starting use it but not all the time. WB 08:01, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

It also has the benefit that it doesn't confuse new users if you use one of the welcome templates on their talk pages. It can be disconcerting when you click "edit" but the text doesn't show up. I try my best to subst: any time I use a welcome template. -- Essjay · Talk 08:40, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

• • Where do you get the welcome template anyway? I currently modify what I got when I first came here and post it to new people's talk page. thanks. WB 16:49, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

• • • Template:Welcome, IIRC. Shimgray 16:56, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Also, Wikipedia:Template_messages/User_talk_namespace has several. I use {{welcome4|Essjay}} because most of the time, someone else gets there before me. (To use welcome4, the |Essjay should be changed to your username). -- Essjay · Talk 05:49, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

create a -pedia

how do u create a -peida? eg: Bulbapedia about Pokémon? please do be replying on my talk page - Supersaiyanplough|^(talk) 09:36, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

68.14.62.73

where do i report vandalism by User:68.14.62.73 -Bijee 09:44, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Try Wikipedia:Vandalism in Progress. If it's particularly nasty, try Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. -- Essjay · Talk 09:56, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks a lot -Bijee 10:36, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Uploading an SVG image source

I'm trying to upload an SVG source of a PNG used in an article, but I get rejected every time with the message:

'".svg" is not a recommended image file format.'

...and there is no way to ignore the warning and upload it anyway. Does wikimedia use any file format detection, or does it just look at the file ending? If it does, I could change the name to something accepted, but it would be rather confusing and ugly.

What's the reason for it being blocked any way? Security issues?

It's not going to be used directly in an article, just linked from the PNG's page to allow others to edit it (like Wikipedia:Image_source_files says).

--Gustavb 10:01, 2005 Jun 21 (UTC)

I think it is because of security, see also m:Help:Images and other uploaded files#Supported file types; miscellaneous. You can put the source in a page, see e.g. m:Image:Flago de Esperanto.svg (here the source is in the page in addition to being uploaded, when this was still possible). --Patrick 11:57, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

I see...thanks for the directions! --Gustavb 17:01, 2005 Jun 21 (UTC)

Product Submission

I would like to list my companys software product "AdventNet Simulation Toolkit" in your site. What should I do ?

Regards, Latha.

Latha: Thanks for your interest in Wikipedia. However, one of Wikipedia's policies, What Wikipedia Is Not, explicity prohibits advertisements. Our goal at Wikipedia is to create an encyclopedia, and as part of that, anything that is not encyclopedic is prohibited. Perhaps you could list your software at a software-specific reference site?

If you have any other questions, please feel free to ask on my talk page. -- Essjay · Talk 12:34, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Question about Douglas County Missouri moved to Wikipedia:Reference desk DJ Clayworth 14:11, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Request for merge removal

How do I get a "request for merge" notice removed? The article in question was about four hours old, created by me out of an article I was expanding. The initiator of the request did not bother to look at the history, nor give a reason why he thought it should be merged. Now, he is abstaining from comment, and the request is still in place. Is this some sort of diabolical Wiki torture I must endure for an unspecified amount of time? I have continued to work on the article since the request, but I won't any longer until the merge request is removed. Please advise. --Mothperson 13:19, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

From Wikipedia:Duplicate articles, you can remove the notice or change "merge" to "mergedispute" and discuss the issue on the article's talk page. Since you've tried to discuss it with the user who added the notice, it sounds to me like removing it would be perfectly justified (but if it comes back, then change it to mergedispute and try to resolve it on the talk page). -- Rick Block (talk) 14:17, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. --Mothperson 14:29, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Watchlist filtering

Can I hide the edits made by myself, like being able to hide minor edits? I know what edits I've made, so I don't really need to be informed of them! (And they're always on the contibutions page for when I do) MyNameIsClare talk 13:24, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

User:JesseW has a bookmarklet that does just this. I haven't tried it myself, but I hear it's worked well for others. --David Iberri | Talk 17:37, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

Question about Birthdate of Adam moved to Wikipedia:Reference desk#Birthdate of Adam. DJ Clayworth 14:09, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Wikipedia in my browser...

I use Mozilla Firefox as my primary browser and Wikipedia does not display correctly (though looks fine in IE). To be specific, none (or few) of the images load. I think this has to do with how the page is set up. An apt question might be, "Why does Firefox not display Wikipedia correctly?", but until it does, why does Wikipedia not display correctly in Firefox?

I doubt it's firefox's fault, there are hundreds of regular wikipedians who use firefox. Check your proxy settings, perhaps disabling proxies altogether will solve your problem? If it doesn't, try copying the proxy settings from your internet explorer configuration. --W(t) 16:14, 2005 Jun 21 (UTC)

I use Firefox, and it seems fine. You may have the images blocked on your browser. Go to a spot a picture would normally appear (say, the featured picture on the main page), and right click it. See if the "Block Images Upload.Wikimedia..." is checked. If it is, uncheck it. This is an ad-blocking tool from Firefox; you may have checked it accidentally. Hope this helps. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 20:31, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This is on a Mac so it might be slightly different for you, but in my Firefox preferences there is a checkbox on the 'Web Features' pane for 'load images'—underneath this there is a checkbox titled 'for the originating web site only'. My browser will only load images on Wikipedia pages if the first checkbox is checked and the second one unchecked. JeremyA 20:53, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank you. I changed my preferences as you said, and everything works fine now. What this checkbox means is that no images will load that are not in the same directory on the server or that cannot be found locally. What this means, practically, is that any images that are not referenced using a local reference are not displayed. If you look at the source of the page, you will see that none of the images use such a reference.

Video and DVD covers

Take a look at these two templates:

• Template:DVDcover
• Template:Video tape cover

Why do video tape covers have to be low-resolution and not DVD covers according to the templates? • Thorpe • 16:41, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Because someone edited one and not the other...? The person probably wasn't aware of the other template. One thing that can help to justify our fair use of these items is if the image is not of high enough resolution to be useful in other contexts. We can put a small image of a DVD cover here under fair use, to illustrate our educational article, but if the uploaded picture is large enough and detailed enough for someone to, say, make into a decent T-shirt or fanzine cover, our fair use claim that we "just" want to illustrate is stretched. (And that doesn't even count something hi-res enough to print covers for illegal bootleg DVDs.).

Yes, fair use IS a pain in the behind, why do you ask? — Catherine\^talk 02:24, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Length of a article

How can i find out how many characters or bytes a Wikipedia Page has?

View the source and paste into a word processor with a letter counting tool? If the page is larger than 32 kilobytes a warning will appear at the top of the edit window, but that will only give you the rounded size in kilobytes, and only works if the page is larger than 32k. --W(t) 18:18, 2005 Jun 21 (UTC)

The size (in kilobytes and words) of each matching article is indicated in the search results as well. This size is as of the last time the search indices were rebuilt, so may not be useful if you want strictly up to the minute size information. -- Rick Block (talk) 01:17, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

Images

How do you edit a page to replace an image with another image of your own?

I'm not 100% sure this is what you're asking about, but to replace an existing image with an updated version, just upload the new image using the same exact name as the existing image. But in many (most?) cases you should just upload your image separately (i.e. not replacing the existing one), keeping the original image intact. Then edit the article to refer to your new image. --David Iberri | Talk 22:24, Jun 21, 2005 (UTC)

• If you want to replace an image in an article, simply update the file it links to. Can you give specifics? It would help to give a more detailed answer. - Mgm|^(talk) 07:39, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

South Amboy New Jersey

Hello! My name is Jennifer Owens and I am the local historian/local info person for our library--Sadie Pope Dowdell Public Library. I was actually doing a project citing the top sources for quick local facts and came across your page. I did read that topics are open to editors and contributors and was wondering what type of material you would be interested in posting about South Amboy? I see that you have the general census and geographical data but I wanted to see what we could work out together to make your site a good source for people looking for local info. Let me know what you think--my contact info is pixxiebear (located) yahoo.com I look forward to hearing back soon----- Jennifer

Email fired off, and email here obfuscated to avoid web-crawlers... Shimgray 23:00, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Edit didn't happen!

I attempted to edit the page dedicated to Margaret Thatcher, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Thatcher - which as I type only contains the text "MARGARET THATCHER IS A WAR CRIMINAL. ARREST HER IMMEDIATELY."

Specifically, I reverted to the most recent legitimate version. However, after submitting my change, nothing happened .. my change didn't hit turn up on the page's history, nor in my own list of 'Contributions'.

Wh'appen? :-/

Thanks, James Jamesgibbon 23:46, 21 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I can't tell you for sure what happened, but I do notice that it appears to be protected at the moment. See the relevant discussion here. It may be that it was protected between the time that you hit the "edit" link and the time you tried to submit your change. —HorsePunchKid→龜 00:54, 2005 Jun 22 (UTC)

That seems unlikely, since the 'vandalised' version was in effect following my attempted reversion. However, it's been fixed now as you know. Thanks for your reply. Jamesgibbon 01:16, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Excel chart

I want to upload a chart and a table created in Excel in an xls file. I have saved the particular chart and table to use in a Word file as well. How do I upload this image to use in an article. I have searched all over for instructions for transfer of this to an image in Wikipedia. Apparently, I must make a jpg or png file of an Excel chart and cells. Thanks

Thanks for the comments below. This is what I did. When I saved the xls file as an htm file all of the charts that I had were automatically made into images. This allowed me to transfer the graph as an image file to here. The data table that was important to the chart I was able to make as a wiki table. Once I learned the wiki syntax the table came out real well. I tried to transfer cell data as a table or create an image of the table in Excel or Word but never succeeded in making an image that I could transfer. Thanks again for your suggestions.

May I humbly suggest that, irrespective of whether it is technically possible to upload them, Excel files are not generally a good method to represent information here. Not all potential readers have access to Excel, or a compatible spreadsheet program. Jamesgibbon 00:28, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If you want, open up your Excel file, and press "Print Screen". Then open up Paint, and press Control+V (Paste}. This will paste the screen shot onto paint, where you can crop it, save it, and then upload it. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 00:38, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I usually copy the table to Microsoft FrontPage and save it from there as HTML. If you don't have FrontPage, you can export to XML spreadsheet and get the following in the middle of a lot of gobbledygook :

 <Table ss:ExpandedColumnCount="2" ss:ExpandedRowCount="2" x:FullColumns="1" x:FullRows="1">   
  <Row>
   <Cell>Jon</Cell>
   <Cell>Doe</Cell>
  </Row>
  <Row>
   <Cell>Jane</Cell>
   <Cell>Doette</Cell>
  </Row>
 </Table>

Then replace the <Row> and similar tags with either correct HTML syntax or with the Wiki table syntax, and you got a nice table in Wikipedia! — Sebastian (talk) 04:40, 2005 Jun 22 (UTC)

Atlantis?

I know where Atlantis is?

And it is not in the Atalantic or anywhere close?

wattsb@ucihs.edu

Please refer factual questions to the reference desk. Thanks. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 00:38, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Were I wanting to rename my account.

Just a minor change, removing the last name. Is there a page with relevant information or protocol? Shem^(talk) 01:59, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Some useful information on this subject can be found here. JeremyA 02:29, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

create a -pedia

how do u create a -peida? eg: Bulbapedia about Pokémon? please do be replying on my talk page - Supersaiyanplough|^(talk) 04:58, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Help

I want to put up a subject for others to research. Where do I post it? How do I do that? Please help, I find this a bit confusing and I'd hate to get it wrong.

Zebedee

If you want a certain question answered, try the reference desk if you want an article, you can post it on Wikipedia:Requested articles. Alternatively, you can look for a fitting WikiProject to pose your suggestion. - 131.211.210.13 11:01, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Basilicas (language question)

I want to add the list of basilicas in The Netherlands to List of basilicas. What's the policy? Original Dutch names or English translation? The page isn't very consistent right now. Fnorp 10:49, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Probably best to go with English translation; many of the English speakers wouldn't have a clue of what the Dutch names mean. (I know I wouldn't.) -- Essjay · Talk 10:52, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

Thanks, I will do that. Fnorp 10:56, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

transport maps between SAARC nations

sir/madam i am a student and require the transport (rail,road and air) maps in between the SAARC nations. your help will be highly appreciated. yours sincerely anumod

mail me at anu100mod@rediffmail.com

Anonymous Contributions

I'm sorry if this is mentioned somewhere in the help section already, but I've been looking for a while. I've made a few contributions anonymously, and I just decided to sign up. Is there a way to list the contributions I made anonymously under my username rather than my IP?

Currently, no there isn't. There used to be a way, Wikipedia:Changing attribution for an edit, but the service has been suspended. As it stands, there is currently no way to gain attribution for previous anonymous edits. (But see that policy for suggestions on how you can keep track of your anon edits.)-- Essjay · Talk 11:33, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

You could just use this tag (cut and past): [[Special:Contributions/Your IP# Here|Your IP# or message here]] on your user page. Admiral Roo (Talk to me)(My Contributions) 18:56, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

Remove this adware from my computer now

Try Ad-Aware, or any of the other anti-spyware tools. JRM · Talk 16:40, 2005 Jun 22 (UTC)

• Put them at the bottom. Like they are now, they appear more important than they really are. (In disambiguations, you can add them behind the sentence they used to be part of), so people can easily use them to make a full article. - Mgm|^(talk) 21:19, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

Watch out, with help from places like this [3] because many anti-adware anti-spyware places are in reality adware spyware places. Also no one anti place gets everything, so you need to have at least 2 good ones.

When you think you got everything finally cleaned up, it pays to visit a site that can do an e-health inspection on your computer such as [4] (scroll down to Shields Up)

Feel free to post question on my talk page AlMac 30 June 2005 08:41 (UTC)

Help

Can someone help wikify all of my personal pages so the meta tags {{Wikipedia}}, {{Wiktionary}}, and {{Wikiquote}} pleas? I seem not to know how to make the tags correctly. And in the future, can someone pleas tell me how to make these tags correctly?

Thank you. Admiral Roo Talk to me|My Contributions 17:38, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

• Those templates are not designed to do what you requested. Please use these links instead:
  • w:User:Admiral Roo
  • Wikiquote:User:Admiral Roo
  • Wiktionary:User:Admiral Roo

Zzyzx11 (Talk) 18:56, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Inline External Links

What is the consensus about the use of external links in articles? I know that normally, they are supposed to be at the bottom in the 'External Links'. However what about the ones in these two articles: The Game and Street photography? --Silas Snider (talk) 20:44, Jun 22, 2005 (UTC)

• I am not sure what you are asking about Street photography. What I can tell you is that The Game is actually a disambiguation page — a navigational aid which lists other pages that might otherwise share the same title. Thus, they are generally just a list of links. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 21:43, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• • I realize what disambiguation pages exist for -- I am wondering about external links on them. Same with Street photography#Techniques -- look for the link for the name Philip Lorca diCorcia, etc. Thanks! --Silas Snider (talk) 16:37, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
    • Oh those. They actually do not follow the official guidelines listed on Wikipedia:External links. Thus, I removed them for the time being. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 06:41, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What happened to my edit?

I've read alot of information trying to figure out why my edit was changed. It was about the most recent name change to Texas State University-San Marcos. While my bit was lengthy, it was unbiased and highly accurate. I just want to know why it got cut down so much. My current hypothesis is that 1) it was too long and had too much detailed information to be in an encyclopedia, and/or 2) it was somehow interpreted as biased.

Thanks,

ktex83

According to the edit summary listed on the history of this page, the user who edited that paragraph wrote "greatly shortened absurdly excessive discussion of the name change process". Zzyzx11 (Talk) 21:43, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It seems to have been "greatly shortened" to the point where it doesn't mention that not everybody saw the change as a good idea. -- Cyrius|✎ 11:23, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Question about adding external links

Having used Wikipedia many times over the last year or so as a research source for my schooling, I am highly aware of the wonderful service the Wikipedia community provides to their users. I recently contributed to my first article and ran into a problem however, and would like some advice.

The article in question is about Constantine Maroulis. I happen to run two fan sites for this performer, and I wanted to contribute to the article (especially since there were factual errors and personal information that did not need to be there!) I also noticed that one of my sites (Maroulis Media Online) was included in the External Links list, though the other (Greek Speak) was not. So one of the first corrections I made was to add my other site as a resource. I have since updated other links on the lists and edited the main article itself.

Two other contributors have disputed my edits and have repeatedly removed one of my sites (Greek Speak) from the list (even accusing me of spamming!) While I'm aware that Wikipedia discourages self-promotion, I didn't feel that my inclusion of a site that I happen to run fell under that category since I did not advertise that it was my site, nor have I edited the article content to promote my site (plus my site is relevant to the subject of the article.) Yet one of the other contributors insists that my inclusion of the site in the links list is a violation of Wikipedia policy.

Is this accurate? Are we not allowed to include links to fan sites in the external links portion of a celebrity's Wikipedia article? I did some random research and found at least 10 other celebrity articles that include links to fan sites in thier external links list, but I would still like to know if I'm violating some Wikipedia policy or not.

(I should note that this is not a request for mediation or dispute resolution since I'm confident I can work this out with the other party. I just want to cover all of my bases.)

Any input you can offer is appreciated. And thank you again for starting this project!

Edit: I just noticed I wasn't logged in anymore! My username is Bonavox.

--64.60.174.2 22:55, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

The policy is described at Wikipedia:External links. For your (and other's) convenience, I'll copy and paste the relevant sections below:

Maybe OK To Add...

3. Fan sites: On articles about topics with many fansites, including a link to one major fansite is appropriate, marking the link as such. In extreme cases, a link to a web directory of fansites can replace this link.

Hope this helps. BTW, you can check "Keep me logged in" if you are on your own computer- that way you don't have to bother signing in every time! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 23:10, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thank you very much! I'll inform the other person and see if there is a better way to list the links that we can both agree on. Bonavox 23:42, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Iran

There is a table of content on the Iran page that needs to be moved to allow the main article to be visiable. I do not know how to move it.

anon.

• I don't see any particular problem with the Table of contents. You'll have to scroll to see the full page anyway. You may want to consider registering. If you do, you can set an option in your preferences to not show the table of contents in an article. - Mgm|^(talk) 08:38, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

Locked data

Since 18th June, whenever I load Wikipedia on my home computer, the title page is locked at that date. When I view Wikipedia through my computer at work, the title page is update. What is goin on?

Peter Maggs--Peter M 05:37, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Your computer has saved old pages for quicker serving you with a page, try Wikipedia:Bypass your cache for more info. - Mgm|^(talk) 08:35, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

Many thanks. Ctrl F5 did the trick! I love this site. Peter Maggs

two subject with one name -- how to make this work?

this was my first attempt to add a new entry, on the african american poet kevin young. unfortunately, there is also a track and field athlete by the same name, so when i added young to a list of poets in the entry "poet," it automatically linked to the entry for the track athlete. how do i fix this?

thanks for answering!

• You could create a page called Kevin Young (poet). Then to link to it from the list of poets you would type [[Kevin Young (poet)|Kevin Young]]. JeremyA 15:40, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Possibly, the other article should be renamed Kevin Young (athlete) as well. There is a lot of this sort of thing about, since people are inconsiderate enough to share a name. As an example of how it is resolved, take a look at Ian McDonald. Notinasnaid 16:47, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • It's probably not worth making a disambiguation page for just two Kevin Young articles. Often people just put something like This article is about Kevin Young the athelete, for the poet of the same name see Kevin Young (poet) at the top of the first article. JeremyA 18:57, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

printable copy

Please make available a printable version of your pages. I have made this request in the past and have yet received no responce. My email is nicolasramke at yahoo dot com

If you have a good text editor like Microsoft Word, Works, or Lotus, you can copy the contents of a page in it, then print.

(No e-mail sent) Well, if I open a page (I just picked Arthur Miller as a test) in my browser (IE6, Windows XP), I can then do File > Print. And I get a nicely formatted printout. What do you get? Notinasnaid 18:56, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If you use the standard monobook skin provided, only the article text will be printed (the menus will be removed automatically). - Mgm|^(talk) 20:48, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

Since articles have always been printable, I doubt that's really what you're asking about. Perhaps you'd be more interested in Wikipedia in hardcopy, book form. For that, see Wikipedia:Pushing to 1.0, Wikipedia:WikiReader, and m:WikiReader. --David Iberri | Talk 17:02, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

definitions for "encyclopedic" and "overcategorization"

They are at the heart of frequent quarrels, and WP:G does not define them. What exactly do they mean? — Sebastian (talk) 18:56, 2005 Jun 23 (UTC)

• Here's my highly subjective "definitions":

Overcategorization is when one article is put in too many categories. Of course, this is a subjective thing, but when you find a person in more than one category related to for example geographical location it's usually to use the more detailed category (IMO).

Encyclopedic refers to the value an article has to an encyclopedia. This usually isn't disputed when other encyclopedias have articles on the subject in question. Some people believe Pokemon and Digimon shouldn't be here, others think the same about the nnumerous Star Wars articles we have. I do think we can all agree that articles about obscure student film makers who didn't win any awards and whose films haven't been broadcasted on television as well as their planned films don't belong here. Those would be unencyclopedic. (What some people call notability and importance also factors in here)

I know, highly subjective and fuzzy, but that's my view. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:58, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)

Thank you, Mgm, for your reply. I'd like to move this discussion to Wikipedia:Village_pump_(policy), where I should have posted it in the first place. — Sebastian (talk) 21:20, 2005 Jun 23 (UTC)

Conflicting sources

Based on the most reliable source available to me (a book based on a PhD dissertation) I titled an article the West Indian Federation Labour Party. An anon claims that the name should be West Indies Federal Labour Party and provided several sources - however, of the three that were available online, two said West Indian Federation Labour Party and one said West Indies Federation Labour Party. I need to find some other sources, which will not be something I can do quickly or easily. In the meantime though, I want to article to reflect that the available sources do not agree. Is there some sort of a template or some other standard way of doing things like that? Guettarda 20:22, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• You could put {{accuracy}} on top, but a message especially tailored to the article saying: Currently sources don't agree whether this article should be named ___ or ___. is more specific in what the accuracy "dispute" is really about. You might even draw in some extra attention. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:51, Jun 23, 2005 (UTC)
  • Thanks. Guettarda 20:55, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It may be a long shot, but knowing how it can be sometimes with political parties: are you sure that they haven't at some time both existed? Notinasnaid 21:54, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I've edited the Wikipedia but I'm not too sure I am allowed to

Out of interest I looked at the entry for Bognor Regis and saw the adverts in the article for pubs and clubs plus a set of reasonable local links plus an edit link

I thought I'd see if I could add a link to my Bognor Regis site and I could. However I could not edit the article.

The Bognor Regis entry now has a link to the Bognor Regis International Dance Ensemble, a local international folk dance club for children.

I am of course delighted but thought I'd check that this was ok because if it is not, I'd rather you knew and removed it.

Sorry if I have caused you any trouble

John Douglas

Thank you for your interest in Wikipedia! The purpose of Wikipedia and other wikis is for anyone to edit and use them, and we encourage everyone to be bold! If there is any question about the usefulness of the link, it can be quickly corrected- don't worry about it. We sincerly hope you like the place and stay- welcome to Wikipedia! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 22:00, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

P.S. We encourage you to register! It's quick, simple, and easy. See Wikipedia:Why create an account?.

I'm not sure what you mean by "I could not edit the article" - do you mean the article text was not in the edit box? That's because you probably used the edit link alongside the section name, which just edits that section (in this case the External Links section). To edit the main article you can use the edit tab at the top, next to the "article", "discussion" etc tabs. MyNameIsClare talk 09:21, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Alphabetical listing in categories

"Losinj" is listed under the letter "C" in the category: Islands of Croatia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Islands_of_Croatia

Can anyone fix this bug or know how?

Done. wrong name in category field. MeltBanana 21:42, 23 Jun 2005 (UTC)

what does this mean?

What does this thing I see at the ends of pages mean? [[bm:Wikipedia:Le lavoir]] or something like it.

It's an interlanguage link. Shimgray 01:22, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

get bak a page

a page i created was recently deleted, which is fair enuff. but is there anyway to get the pagehistory, so i can put it on my userpage? the page was Neil Mallender. Supersaiyanplough|^(talk) 04:27, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Yes, if you can find a administrator willing to undelete it and move it to your userpage. User:Supersaiyanplough/Neil Mallender. Can you give any background as to why you want it on your userpage? - Mgm|^(talk) 04:50, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
• Undeleted and userfied. - Mgm|^(talk) 10:48, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Translate a page into Spanish

I wanna translate a page I created into spanish. How can i? Automail

Contact someone at m:Translators. -- Essjay · Talk 07:36, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

How to make a template?

I'd like to make a new template. Where is a good place to start? I'd also need to figure out the Wiki syntax for templates too. Where can I read up on this? Once I've got a template, where do I post the proposal for people to make comments and changes so that it can eventually be used or scrapped? --HappyCamper 13:47, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

What is it you want to do? You may wish to start at Help:Template. Another page that may be of use would be m:variable. What you must understand is that a template is just a set of standardised Wiki-coding that the template syntax places in a page. smoddy 13:57, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I'm interested in creating a new template that can supplement or replace the existing cleanup template. I think I have some good ideas for this, but I want to try to do this in a "WikiBold" way. I was thinking of creating a new template with a detailed explanation for its use in my user page first, and then once I'm happy with it, I will release it to Wikipedia's community for consideration. --HappyCamper 16:47, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Do we need to monitor sub-stub articles or is this taken care of by 'bots

As a very new wikipedian I see several new pages with very short content every time I visit the 'Recent changes - new' list. Many of these seem like candidates for deletion. Is it a task of wikipedian volunteers to go through the steps of proposing deletion of such pages or is this taken care of by administrators with the help of some 'bots that alert them of new pages with short content? Thanks. (Perhaps this info should be put on some FAQ or help page) --Iani 14:06, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Volunteers, mainly. And that includes admins, but anyone can nominate an article for deletion. However, before you do so, please consider if that's what you truly want. If the article is simply too short, you can edit it and add {{stub}} to indicate it should be expanded. If the article lacks context, you might merge it into context. If the topic is not worthy of an encyclopedia article, it would be deletable. See Wikipedia:Deletion policy for details, and how to do it. It's not that hard ;) Radiant_>|< 15:06, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

How do I submit an article?

I had never heard of your site before today.

Richard Stallman thought you might like my page on "Film Formats and Dynamic Range", hammered at some length for clarity/accuracy.

[5]

You would certainly be allowed to use the article without restriction.

Thanks,
Richard Reddy

• Creating a page is easy - however, before you submit your page you should consider 1) the fact that a lot of people will be editing your work, and 2) if it is your own research, I'm afraid we won't accept it (see WP:NOR). If you want to create it, type in some name in the 'search' box on the left of your screen. You should now get a screen saying "this article doesn't exist, click here to create it". Radiant_>|< 15:07, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
• Please consider our Wikipedia:Naming policy when giving your article a name. Especially when capital letters are concerned. - Mgm|^(talk) 15:51, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Good source for author images?

Hi, I'm a relatively new user working on some literature pages. I'm trying to find images for such authors as Ousmane Sembene, Nuruddin Farah, William Styron, and Richard Ford, but I'm still not entirely clear on fair use policies (despite having read through the tutotials; I'm a bit slow sometimes). Where can I find images of these contemporary authors that wouldn't be copyrighted, or that I could employ under "fair use"?

I'll check here again for responses, but feel free to note them on my talk page as well.

Dvyost 15:47, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I feel I should make a point here. Everything is copyrighted, but sometimes copyrights expire (after many years), or are given up, or can be argued not to apply. Over and over I see people wanting to use an image in Wikipedia and looking for a way, a loophole, some kind of redefinition of "fair use". I think the opposite approach should be adopted: occasionally we might be lucky enough to find something that has its copyright lapsed or released, and can be pleased to use it in Wikipedia. Or, we may own our own photos that we can choose to give up some rights to, which is great. But I don't think we should be trying to set an agenda of "how to find an uncopyrighted image of <X>". This is not a criticism of the original poster, who is clearly trying to do things right, but there seems to be overall too much of a drive to find a way to use stuff. Notinasnaid 16:05, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Fair_use for good info about fair-use in wikipedia Elfguy 16:34, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Editing long pages

I have noticed that there seems to be a limit in Internet Explorer 5.1 for Mac OS 9 to the length of a text box in a form. This is the latest version of the browser for this OS. On long Wikipedia pages (such as this one!) the text is cut off at a certain point in the edit box and if you try to edit something in the middle you end up deleting the whole remainder of the page after that certain limit. Yeah, I know, I could use a different browser (I'm usng Netscape 7.0 to write this), but is there a workaround to this? To just change something in the middle you could use the Edit link on the right above the heading for that section, but this is useless when appending at the end as in this case. --Micler 20:47, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

• I had the same problem when using a Mac a while back. I simply couldn't edit the text area, so I didn't save such edits. I can't think of any ideas apart from changing browsers. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:57, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)
• You can apply section editing to the last section, adding a section to that.--Patrick 01:39, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)
• Try appending the parameter "&section=new" to your edit url, for example:

http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Help_desk&action=edit&action=edit&section=new

BJAODN

Is there a better way to move something to BJAODN than to click "edit this page" on the original, copy, and paste? --Micler 20:47, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

• Short answer: No. Long answer: Moves won't work as they move entire pages and can't overwrite pages that already exist. - Mgm|^(talk) 20:58, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

What better way did you have in mind? - Mgm|^(talk) 21:08, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Well, I meant, if I push Move is there something to type that would append the entire page's contents to the latest BJAODN page? -Micler 21:36, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

• No, move will only move the page you selected to a different empty location. - Mgm|^(talk) 22:27, Jun 24, 2005 (UTC)

Pywikipedia bot

With User:Gdr temporarily away, I'd like to try using his DYKbot to update DYK, but I never used python before and although I appear to have all the modules, I still can't get it to run. Any help is appreciated.

Adding a composer

I am a classical singer working for a fabulous Hungarian composer. Timea Dragony. I feel her name should be in the list of 21st century composers. How do I get that done? Or rather could somebody do it for me?

Just click the "edit" link at the top or at the appropriate juncture elsewhere in the page. One of Wikipedia's mottoes is "be bold!". This situation is a perfect example. Cheers, and good luck smoddy 22:37, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Actually, you first need to create a reference to her (like the red link above) and then click on it and start writing. There isn't much you could do wrong. If you have any other questions just post them here and/or on my talk page. — Sebastian (talk) 10:42, 2005 Jun 25 (UTC)

remove account

How do I remove my user account?

See Wikipedia:Account deletion. --cesarb 03:32, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. So it says that I can't delete it or change it. But a developer can. Do I contact a random developer from the list? (I signed up with my real name and decided that I'd like to be more anonymous.)

History of categories

On WP:CFD, categories are often posted empty, and not seldom they have been emptied specifically for the purpose of nominating them. For a fair judgement, I would like to see when they have been emptied and which articles they contained. Is there any way to do find this information? — Sebastian (talk) 10:40, 2005 Jun 25 (UTC)

• Not that I know of. Articles are added by tagging them with the category tag. To find which articles were part of that cat, you'd have to go through the history of all articles that could've been part of it and see if the category tag was once in the article. Usually they are emptied because they duplicate an existing cat with proper naming conventions. You could ask the nominator for more info, or better yet, check their contributions to see what articles they removed categories from (should be a lot quicker than that earlier suggestion) - Mgm|^(talk) 11:42, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)

Spoken Wikipedia

Just out of curiosity, I downloaded the What Wikipedia Is Not.ogg file since I had never heard of Spoken Wikipedia. I downloaded Audion 3 for Mac OS 9 to hear it. To my surprise, it sounded like a sped-up tape. It wasn't just somebody talking too fast, it was obviously artificially speeded up. Why would this be? - Micler 14:55, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)

Try playing it on quicktime. You can download it for free on Apple's website and I'm pretty sure it plays Vorbis files correctly. As for why it sounds sped up in Audition, it could have something to do with your default settings? — oo64eva (Alex) ^{(U | T | C)} @ 15:18, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)

Quicktime doesn't play Vorbis files without a 3rd-party plugin! It's a shame really. Also, that plugin doesn't work with QT 7.0 (latest major release). vorbis.com lists some players you can try (macAmp, for example). Sorry if there are very few alternatives, but the field of open/free software exploded with the os9 -> OS X transition; there are lots of solutions for OS X so nothing gets ported back to os9. — Sverdrup 17:36, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Vorbis.com lists Audion, MacAMP, and Unsanity Echo. Unsanity Echo gets to a 404 page, and MacAMP redirects to something else for OS X. Audion plays at high speed. Would there be any utility to convert Ogg Vorbis files to mp3, wav, aiff, etc? —MICLER (Мыклр) 14:58, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

Sorry, should have Googled first. Right now I'm importing one into Audacity 1.0.0. —MICLER (Мыклр) 15:10, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

How to add a picture to a page

how can i put a picture on a page —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.210.11.10 (talk • contribs) 21:55, 25 Jun 2005

There are help files for this, please see Wikipedia:Editing_FAQ#How can I put pictures on my pages? and Wikipedia:Picture_tutorial. If the image is not already on wikipedia, you need to create a login before you upload it. If you've read the help files and are looking for more help, please let me know on my talk page. -- Rick Block (talk) 21:54, Jun 25, 2005 (UTC)

After edit conflict

The best way to learn this sort of thing is to find an article with an image, go into the editing box, and see how it was done. You might also try the Help pages, or Wikipedia:Picture tutorial. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 21:56, 25 Jun 2005 (UTC)

List of articles I've started

Is there an easy (or hard) way to get a list of articles that I've started? On the "My Contributions" page, there is sometimes a (new) marker next to an article but it is not the one that I intend. On the Watchlist page, the "N" disappears after the first edit. I've been around a while and I want to remember which articles I started and I don't know of a way to do it. I'm sure in the wikimedia software/database schema there is a way to get all articles where edit #1 is by my username, but I don't see that exposed anywhere. JRP 01:02, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• Not that I know of. The only way I know is going through "My Contributions" and click on each and every "(diff)" link. But the ones marked "(top)" at the end are articles that have not been modified since you last edited them. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 01:12, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)
  • Fortunately, you only have less than 500 edits in the main article space. You can just select "(articles}" in the "Choose namespace:" select box and it will just list all your edits there. And next time, you might want to put something like "creating article" in the edit summaries. Zzyzx11 (Talk) 01:17, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Tables

I'm working on a table on this article and I get can't get rid of the bold in the second and third columns. Could someone help me out.

Cheers Ianblair23 01:45, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

• You only needed to mention the column width in the cells with the column names on top. (You also put them in the next two songs). Why that caused bolding, no idea. - Mgm|^(talk) 08:50, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

• "!" is for headers, hence bold.--Patrick 09:01, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

My edit has not appeared

Yesterday, I edited the page on Ian Dury. The edit showed up afterwards, however it has now disappeared from the page.

It was an authoritative and key aspect of Ian Dury's musical history, so it is disappointing that it is not there.

Can you explain what's happened? Thanks,

Tracey

Do you mean this edit? It is there. You may have just had some browser cache issues. Also remember to sign your posts by typing ~~~~ after them. Evil Monkey∴Hello 10:35, Jun 26, 2005 (UTC)

Teeny tiny font

I want to put some footnotes on my user pages. How do I create the tiny font I've seen around here? And are the international symbols at the bottom of the edit page reduceable as well? --Mothperson 12:34, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

try <small> Geni 12:40, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I never cease to be amazed by how fast one gets help around here. Thank you! --Mothperson 12:46, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Closing the <small> with a </small> is highly recommended. Josh Parris ✉ 28 June 2005 23:34 (UTC)

Edit requires repeated "save page" button action

This isn't really a question, but a statement - however I feel that this is probably the best place to bring it to someone's attention (please correct that assumption if appropriate)!

I've experienced a problem this afternoon whereby hitting the 'save page' button is instead returning a preview, with the usual "remember this is a preview!" red text. Repeatedly pressing the "save page" button from the unwanted preview eventually has the desired effect, but only after four or five goes.

I'm using Firefox under Linux Fedora Core 4; haven't had this problem with Wikipedia until today - but it certainly is happening consistently today, so I assume a software change or similar has been introduced.

Thanks, jamesgibbon 13:04, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

It's been going on for months and previously noted. Some kind of bug I assume. I have noticed it is usually saved despite what it says, but saving it again does no harm. It is really aggravating during periods when access operations are grindingly slow and you have to wait literally minutes to complete a page load or save. At least speed is better lately. alteripse 13:14, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

If it happens, it's a good idea to click on "article" to see if the edit has in fact saved. Saving again can sometimes cause duplication. Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 13:22, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the responses .. as I said though it's happening repeatedly today, so something appears to have aggravated the bug or its behaviour in the last 12 hours or so. jamesgibbon 16:23, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

No comfort here, except in company, but I've been having the same problem with IE in the last few days to a hair-pulling-out degree. --Mothperson 17:09, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

I have also had problems, which have extended to page deletion. smoddy 17:38, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

downloading to Adobe Acrobate

Hi,

I have been trying to download to Adobe Acrobat (so I can highlight pages/articles in PDF fromat), but the download fails with a "genera; error" message.

Anyone have any clue on this?

thnak much

Pravin

Could you be more specific about what exactly you're doing, what software you're using to do it, and what you hope to achieve? For example, are you trying to export WIkipedia pages in PDF format? What browser are you using? What do you click to try this? Bovlb 14:57, 2005 Jun 26 (UTC)

Account problems

I'm having trouble with my account: it keeps logging me out periodically every few pages and every single time I try to view my watch list. I haven't reconfigured my browser lately, so what could be causing it? If it logs me out for this edit, I am User:Lommer. -24.80.246.101 18:38, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Try, next time it logs you out, when you go to log back in, clicking "Remember me". If that doesn't work, make sure you have your browser set to accept cookies. What browser are you using? Hermione1980 21:32, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Ah, that works. I'm using firefox 1.0.4. Is this just something to do with the current upgrade to mediawiki or what do you think it is? I'd like to go back to not using cookies/"remember me" if possible. -Lommer | ^talk 00:01, 27 Jun 2005 (UTC)

This may be unrelated, but be careful that you're not accidentally hitting Alt-O, which will summarily log you out. I used to have this problem every once in a while; my workaround fails in 1.5. See my gripe further down if you think this might be what's happening... —HorsePunchKid→龜 June 28, 2005 06:33 (UTC)

I run anti-Spyware regularly, and one-button Norton PC cleanup. This stuff has a tendency to kill cookies I did not want killing. This problem, that I know about, and deal with, may not be what is happening to you. AlMac 29 June 2005 13:53 (UTC)

IP account and User account

I already have a user account but sometimes I get timed out and it saves it in my IP (unknown user) account, any advice?Alf 23:55, 26 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Images

How Do I upload and use an image?

Please see Wikipedia:Help desk#How to add a picture to a page, not very far above. -- Rick Block (talk) 03:58, Jun 27, 2005 (UTC)

Disabling accesskeys after the upgrade

I had been using a Greasemonkey script[6] to disable the "logout" accesskey, since I found that I would frequently accidentally hit it. Now the situation has gotten worse, since the "discussion" accesskey is the same key one uses to get to the "Tools" menu in Firefox (and IE, for that matter!). On top of that, the accesskeys seem to be added afterward via Javascript or somesuch, and my script now seems to have no effect at all. Has anybody else perchance already solved this? Is there a better way to deal with it (maybe some kind of user-space Javascript)? —HorsePunchKid→龜 June 28, 2005 06:27 (UTC)

Argh! It seems like Alt-D (move cursor to address bar) has been co-opted now, too! Surely somebody must have noticed this during the beta period! Unusable! I've never had to use so many exclamation points in a single paragraph! :) —HorsePunchKid→龜 June 28, 2005 06:29 (UTC)

If I'm not likely to get responses here, should I just file a bug report? —HorsePunchKid→龜 June 29, 2005 04:05 (UTC)

Recipes

Do recipes belong on Wikipedia? If not, then where? Jaberwocky6669 June 28, 2005 07:04 (UTC)

A single authoritative recipe belongs in Wikipedia, if there is such a beast (and there rarely is). Likewise, a vague representative recipe is also useful in describing food. However, recipes in general belong in the Wikibooks:Cookbook. -- Cyrius|✎ 28 June 2005 13:02 (UTC)

Thanks. If you want to see the article in question: Salted mustard greens and shredded meat noodle soup Jaberwocky6669 June 28, 2005 15:52 (UTC)

Adding image from German Wikipedia

Hi. There is a brilliant picture on German Wikipedia (called Bild:ProzessSpinnReihe.jpg) which I would like to use on the corresponding page in en:, Pine Processionary. My German is sketchy but it seems to be definitely GFDL licensed. Is there a simple way of linking directly to it or do I need to download it then upload it to en:? Richard Barlow 28 June 2005 08:15 (UTC)

You need to download it and upload it to commons:Main Page. Hopefully the instructions there should be sufficient, but if they are not, please ask further questions here. JesseW 28 June 2005 08:27 (UTC)

Thanks Richard Barlow 28 June 2005 09:58 (UTC)

Mark all pages visited

Since the upgrade, there's a new button "Mark all pages visited" - I'm scared to touch it. What does it do? Josh Parris ✉ 28 June 2005 08:20 (UTC)

The watchlist now can bold pages you have not yet visited. The button marks all the pages as having been so visited. It's like "Mark all messages read" in a newsreader or email client. Hope this explains it! JesseW 28 June 2005 08:29 (UTC)

And now it's gone! What's going on? Josh Parris ✉ 29 June 2005 02:00 (UTC)

It's already been found to be a bug in the new Wiki software. See Wikipedia:MediaWiki 1.5 bugs for more. Dismas 30 June 2005 07:45 (UTC)

Template:UpdatedDYK

So, the image code is still in the template and we still have the image. Why isn't it showing? - Mgm|^(talk) June 28, 2005 08:50 (UTC)

Random Page Link Missing

The Loss of an Old Friend Is it my stupid browser (Netscape 8) or my aged cheesy computer, or the upgrade to V1.5beta... I cannot find the random page link anymore!! Please tell me it's not permanently gone. L-Bit 28 June 2005 10:26 (UTC)

• Are you using the monobook skin? - Mgm|^(talk) June 28, 2005 10:30 (UTC)

That's the one. No, I was using Colgne Blue which used to be ok, but I'm not that pedantic about appearances - I'd rather have the link. I still suspect my browser but, as apart from the very first ever time, my webmail page no longer shows all the links. I'd be intersted if anyone else has probs with Netscape 8 along this vein. Thabnks for the speedy help MacGyver L-Bit

Translated articles

Hello.

I would like to add an article to the Portuguese version of Wikipedia. Can I do a simple translation from the English version and include it in Portuguese?

Thanks.

Yes - it's encouraged! - though it'd be useful if you mentioned on the talk page of the Portugese article that you've done so, so that people know the source. Shimgray 28 June 2005 13:53 (UTC)

Left-hand toolbar

The left-hand toolbar (containing navigation - search - toolbox - in other languages, i.e. everything below the Wikipedia logo) is being forced to the very bottom of each page. (I am using Opera and the MonoBook skin). This does not happen in the Wikipedias in other languages, and only began happening here today, so is it something to with yesterday's "upgrade"? (This question was first posted earlier today but later "disappeared" :( -- Picapica 28 June 2005 13:56 (UTC)

Watch list oddity

Has anyone else noticed an oddity on their watch list? Maybe it's just me but apparently You have 167.5 pages on your watchlist (including talk .... I'd like to know which is the half page, and which half I'm watching. Notinasnaid 28 June 2005 16:36 (UTC)

Others have experienced this as well. You might want to watch this thread on wikitech-l for developments. --David Iberri | Talk June 28, 2005 17:29 (UTC)

Trainee AlMac discovered that when "Hide" my edits so I could see just what other folks had done, it SAID successful but my stuff was still on the list. Doubtless I am doing lots of things wrong. AlMac 29 June 2005 13:49 (UTC)

Log in Problems

I'm having issues logging into my account, Falphin. When I log in its says it is successful but when I go to another page I am logged out. I'm guessing it is a cookie issue but I'm open to whatever. If it is a cookie issue is there a way to redowload the cookie, or is it there and needs less restrict settings? 12.220.47.145 28 June 2005 16:40 (UTC)

Meh too!

I think I am having the exact same problem described by 12.220.47.145/Falphin. Any ideas?

– 67.142.129.10 29 June 2005 06:25 (UTC)

Update

I don't see to have the problems most of the day just around now for somereason. 12.220.47.145 29 June 2005 18:01 (UTC)

Access to Public Domain Images

Does anyone know where I can go to get famous paintings (for example) on a CD? For instance, if I wanted to get van Gogh's "Cafe Terrace" on a CD in 150 dpi at 36 inches by 66 inches so I could make it into a poster, is that possible and if so, where would I get it?

Thanks you,

Raymond Coté raymond.cote@att.net

Such images are likely to exist (but see qualification about quality), but you are optimistic to hope for public domain. I am not a lawyer, but I think it goes something like this. The painting itself is out of copyright. But that does not mean that individual reproductions of it are. If you were to take a photograph of the painting, you could do what you liked with it: you would own the new copyright. But other photographs are copyright. You may be able to license them from the gallery, or from an art library. The people who sell art prints are paying a license to a library or a gallery, typically, because the kind of quality you are talking about can't be captured in a snapshot, and many galleries ban the use of tripods and flash photography. And such high resolution (50 megapixels) is going to need some pretty good equipment, lighting, etc. Here is a commercial art library - http://www.bridgeman.co.uk/. A little research suggests: they can deliver on CD, but even their highest resolution is typically only up to 32 x 24 inches at 150 dpi; there would be a $50 delivery fee (before talking about the cost of licensing the image). Possibly some galleries or national collections have given up their rights to income from prints and put their stuff in the public domain; check with the Rijksmuseum to see if this is the case. Notinasnaid 28 June 2005 19:10 (UTC)

In the United States, a photograph of a public domain painting is not copyrightable. The decision in Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp. (yes, the same Bridgeman) is only binding in a small area of the US, but apparently has been followed in other jurisdictions. -- Cyrius|✎ 28 June 2005 19:45 (UTC)

Section editing on Reference Desk has gone awry

Section editing on our Wikipedia:Reference_desk seems to have gone peculiar. Easiest way to see is just to try it. Find a question you want to reply to. use the 'edit' link on the right hand side. It appears to take you to the edit of a section two below the one you wanted. I don't know if this is true of all pages. I know there's been a move to a new Mediawiki in the last day or two. Is that to blame? --bodnotbod June 28, 2005 19:14 (UTC)

There were HTML heading markers (<h2>) being used in the template that holds the leading material for the page. Those headings were confusing the parser. Fixed now. -- Cyrius|✎ 28 June 2005 19:35 (UTC)

Starting A Regional Notice Board

Hi. I'm a fairly new user. I'd like to start a Regional Notice Board for those interested in improving the quality of Indonesia-related articles. I noticed that there are no guides or templates for starting a Regional Notice Board listed on its page. Could such a guide be created, or are there any materials elsewhere I should read that would apply? Any advice would be appreciated.--Daniel June 28, 2005 19:22 (UTC)

What do you need a policy for? Just look at what the other people have done, and do something like that. Improve on what they're doing if you've got an idea for it. Honestly, people actively looking for rules to follow. -- Cyrius|✎ 29 June 2005 00:26 (UTC)

Standards

I've noticed that a lot of the display elements (like boxes and templates) are not consistent throughout wikipedia, and that many of them break under other browsers or are not W3C-compliant. Is there something, like a wikiproject or some other effort, that I could get involved with in regards to this? –M^T 28 June 2005 22:49 (UTC) -- This was originally asked on a talk page, and AlMac elaborated further upon the concerns:

[...]there is a whole area of making web pages available to the disabled, such as people who have to use Brail, who have difficulty with keyboarding, are color blind, and so forth.

I would hope that as I begin to study the instructions on how to communicate effectively in this community, that one of the things I come across is a well developed section on that topic.

If it is not already part of this community, then someone please go to my Talk Page or elsewhere and give me a To Do list that includes making entries on that topic, since I have encountered info about this topic multiple times in the last few years.

In my opinion, this Wikopedia needs goals of the content being

• Friendly to most all major browsers
• Friendly to older people who begin to have trouble with color contrasts
• Friendly to the disabled

Perhaps some software might be practical that looks at new pages, and major edits, to see if the content meets certain standards, and if not, then place at top of those pages a link to the people working on that document, that identifies which of the goals have not been met, with link to where that topic is discussed and has a tutorial.

Please feel free to redirect my comments, or cross-link them where they would be more constructive to be placed. AlMac 28 June 2005 21:37 (UTC)

The wikipedia article on this topic is Computer_accessibility. I would think there would be something about this in Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style (although I'm not seeing it), and it seems like a reasonable task for a (wikipedia related) Wikiproject (and it doesn't look like there is one). It's perhaps possible to create an accessible-friendly "skin" (see m:skins), although I would think there are issues more than "skin deep". -- Rick Block (talk) June 29, 2005 01:01 (UTC)

might be a good idea to wait untill the latest set of updates have calmed down before doing anything.Geni 29 June 2005 01:10 (UTC)

oops. Well, I created Wikipedia:WikiProject Usability - I doubt it'll move fast enough to be affected by all the changes. –M^T 29 June 2005 02:23 (UTC)

Forbid editing for non registered users

Hello,

I hope I have found the right place to ask my question. I have just started with MediaWiki and set up my own Wiki (for testing purposes at first so far). I would like to restrict the editing permissions to registered users only. Is there a way I can archieve that?

Any suggestion is more than welcome. Thanks for thinking about it and to support a newbie.

Kind regards,

Yentl Langholz The Barbra Streisand Fanclub International

You want the MediaWiki-l mailing list, or possibly #MedaiWiki on irc.freenode.net. We don't provide MediaWiki tech support here. And read the m:MediaWiki FAQ. It answers your question. -- Cyrius|✎ 29 June 2005 00:29 (UTC)

Thank you Cyrius for that quick answer and to trun me to the right place. -- Yentl

Citing Sources From Articles on Wikipedia

I found an article on Wikipedia entitled: Customer Relationship Management that I'd like to use for a powerpoint project; how would I go about citing the source?

Carol Fox--70.59.105.14 29 June 2005 00:52 (UTC)

There are some tips and sugestions on this at Wikipedia:Citing Wikipedia. Shanes 29 June 2005 00:58 (UTC)

Adult Content

Is the adult website information being paid for? -- anon

What adult website information are you referring to? No, wikipedia does not get paid to link anywhere. –M^T 29 June 2005 03:46 (UTC)

translation

How do I get to the wedsite that I could do direct translation from one language to another? e.g. I could find a chinese translation of an english word.

Thanks,

anon

I know of two such websites: http://babelfish.altavista.com and http://www.freetranslation.com. The automatic translation is horrible, though. If you paste it on Wikipedia, it will just be deleted, so it's pointless. ‡ Jarlaxle June 29, 2005 05:41 (UTC)

Translating a word, though, would usually work out fine, unless that word has very different meanings. ‡ Jarlaxle June 29, 2005 05:43 (UTC)

Thanks Jarlaxle, these are enough. You're a great help!

anon

New Software and New Pages

I tried to begin a new page and got this message:

Fatal error: Call to a member function on a non-object in /usr/local/apache/common-local/php-1.5/includes/EditPage.php on line 498

Is there a glitch in the new software or is it me?

--Noitall June 29, 2005 05:31 (UTC)

Yup, I just listed it on Wikipedia:MediaWiki 1.5 bugs, probably just someone making a typo while trying to fix some of the other bugs, but we might as well kick a fuss. --W(t) 29 June 2005 05:33 (UTC)

That's an old glitch. When that happens, I suggest hitting the "back" tab on your browser. Then copy what you typed, refresh the page, paste what you typed back on there, and click "save." ‡ Jarlaxle June 29, 2005 05:36 (UTC)

Nope, it's not that one, this is a fresh one. --W(t) 29 June 2005 05:37 (UTC)

And it's been fixed. Yay. --W(t) 29 June 2005 05:39 (UTC)

Drawing a blank

File:Blank spaces on main page.jpg

Blank spot in "ITN" section

I just made the DYK image smaller to avoid it, but bulleted text doesn't seem to wrap around the images (and it failed to do so before the upgrade as well. It's not a screen resolution quirk, I bigger screen failed too. Any idea on how to fix it without using 'left' or 'right' pointers in the image code of these sections? - Mgm|^(talk) June 29, 2005 08:29 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure it's an HTML issue, not a browser or screen resolution problem. The problem is that the HTML to display the image occurs outside of the <ul> for the news entries. I've come to expect that in this scenario, browsers treat list items as single entities while wrapping them around an image.

To wrap the text the way you want, you'll have to place the image HTML inside the HTML for the first news item. It works in Firefox nicely; see User:Diberri/List image wrap. --David Iberri | Talk June 29, 2005 19:04 (UTC)

"Partial" Public domain of an image

Being a new "user", I have recently uploaded a bunch of photos (of my own) to Wikipedia, with the following tag (in addition to the PD tag):

"I hereby place this low-resolution version of the photo into the public domain. I retain the copyright to any larger versions" - sometimes, with "such as found on my website" added, if I do have a larger image on my site.

Since the images are small (150-400 pixels wide), complementing Wiki articles, this would in practice "automatically" preclude any commercial use of the images, especially in print - and my intention is to prevent only that. Using them for other purposes is quite OK (school projects, personal webpages etc.)

I'd like to hear your coments on this practice, thanks! --Janke | Talk 29 June 2005 09:33 (UTC)

• It's perfectly reasonable to only release a low-res version of an image into the public domain, but if someone wants to use that version for commercial purposes, they can. - Mgm|^(talk) June 29, 2005 10:35 (UTC)

• Sure they can, but would they want to? I don't think so. And if they do, so what? I wouldn't care. Personally, I consider the "monetary" value of a thumbnail image to be practically nil (others may disagree). What I would oppose to, is web-searching for, and using a high-quality version of the image, which, if used commercially, I'd be entitled to receive some compensation for... That's why I want to include the "I retain the copyright to any larger versions" tag --Janke | Talk 29 June 2005 11:06 (UTC)
• In that case, you shouldn't have any problems. - Mgm|^(talk) June 29, 2005 11:38 (UTC)

In general, we'd prefer you to upload the high-resolution version of the image. It gives page authors more flexibility in terms of what sizes they can use in articles, it gives readers an enlarged version to look at if they are interested, and it makes it possible, at least in theory, for people to produce high-quality paper versions of Wikipedia articles. Gdr 2005-06-29 13:42:40 (UTC)

Table and photo overlapping

Have a look at this Wiki page, to which I recently uploaded the photo: 0-4-4

What can one do to avoid the photo and the table overlapping in certain (Firefox) browser window sizes? The table is generated automatically via "Category:Locomotives by wheel arrangement", and I have no way of formatting it, nor do I wish to.

--Janke | Talk 29 June 2005 11:39 (UTC)

Sorted. You need to put <nowiki>

in. smoddy 29 June 2005 11:52 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Does that mean you can use HTML formatting almos wherever you wish? (Wherever it is *needed*, I should say... ;-) --Janke | Talk 29 June 2005 14:18 (UTC)

Not quite; the software that powers Wikipedia (i.e. MediaWiki) allows only a subset of HTML in articles. And it should only be used when the wiki markup won't suffice, which in my experience happens pretty rarely on Wikipedia. --David Iberri | Talk June 29, 2005 18:25 (UTC)

Article doesn't appear

My article List of World's Largest Roadside Attractions wouldn't appear when I clicked sumbit. Patricknoddy 8:18 June 29, 2005 (EDT)

That article shows up here. Maybe you needed to reload Elfguy 29 June 2005 13:30 (UTC)

removal of contribution...?

Hi,

I made a short contribution to the 'Childfree' page and it is no longer showing...I thought that it was neutral and unambiguous as it referenced my own research in the area of childfree sterilized women (my book is quoted on the 'readings' listed).

What would be a better way of identifying that a contribution has research status other than by quoting the research? Perhaps I shouldn't have indicated that it was my research and used my name...?

Dr Annily Campbell

Make sure you provided a NPOV contribution of relevant material that was not original research, and that you quoted your sources. If you think your contribution was wrongly removed, you can go in the article history and revert the changes. Elfguy 29 June 2005 13:30 (UTC)

The last edits to that page were made by an anonymous user on the 25th, and before that the 8th and 1st. It looks like your contribution simply may not have got onto the page, rather than being revised. We've had some reasonably common problems with pages not saving properly in the last couple of days, due to a software upgrade - "save" is actually being treated as "preview", and if you're unfamiliar with the wiki this might not get noticed, since it *looks* like it saved...

Try adding it again, and see what comes out. Look carefully to see if there's a red line at the top saying something like "This page is a preview and has not saved" - if there's still an edit box on the browser screen, it's not worked - and if need be save again.

Adding your own research is generally frowned upon, but you seem to have already been a cited source - the reference to your book was added back in April - so it shouldn't be much of a problem, as long as the tone is reasonably neutral. Leave a message for me on my talk page if you've any further problems, and I'll see what I can do. Shimgray 29 June 2005 13:37 (UTC)

• Please consider creating an account. Your submission was from 152.78.218.63 (which means you weren't logged in at the time, we have no way of telling if you have an account). It will allow us to leave messages for you on your talk page and tell which contributions you have submitted. We'll also be able to stop referring to you as Anon152.78.218.63 (which is kind of a mouthfull <G>). Welcome to Wikipedia. RJFJR June 29, 2005 13:48 (UTC)

University "Alumni" - dingbat question

Hi there. About listing notable personalities on college or university articles' "famous alumni" sections: is it okay to list them if they attended the school for say three or four years but didn't actually graduate from there? Or does "alumni" usually refer to actual graduates only? Lovesick 29 June 2005 13:56 (UTC)

Alumnus/a seems to indicate it just refers to a former student, so this would seem to be fine. If you want to be sure you may want to ask on Wikipedia:Reference desk. Elfguy 29 June 2005 14:16 (UTC)

It might also be best to put a short note next to them, eg:

• Bill Gates (studied Computer Science, dropped out)

to clarify that they didn't graduate. Shimgray 29 June 2005 17:26 (UTC)

Regarding : Tamil Speaking Population in the World.

In this page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tamil_language - it has been mentioned that according to 1996 census, total Tamil speaking population us slated to be 74 million speakers. But in the list of mostly spoken languages - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_most_spoken_native_languages - it is mentioned as 63.1 Million which is really misleading.

Anybody verified this figures or uploaded just like that? Please Clarify...

regards ck...

You may want to ask around on Wikipedia:Reference desk to see if someone knows the correct fact, or if you find the answer elsewhere, feel free to contribute and correct the numbers. Elfguy 29 June 2005 14:16 (UTC)

I personally have no idea but it is possible that the pages are using different data from different sources. 12.220.47.145 29 June 2005 18:05 (UTC)

Ethnologue [7] gives 61.5m in India as of 1997, around 66m total (most of the rest in Malaysia or Sri Lanka), plus another two million or so people with it as a second language. Figures on this sort of thing tend to differ widely depending on who collects the data, anyway - 74m does seem a bit high, though. Shimgray 29 June 2005 18:13 (UTC)

Logging on

I was logged in, but somehow got logged out of the system. I've tried a half dozen times now to log back in and though it says my log-in was successful, whenever I click on another page (e.g. my watchlist, preferences, the main page), I'm logged out again. Is this just me? Any ideas what's going on? User:PedanticallySpeaking

Well, I gave it 45 minutes or so and it seems to be normal again. I'd still appreciate hearing if anyone else had this trouble. PedanticallySpeaking June 29, 2005 17:35 (UTC)

I have the same problem if you look above. It only seems to not work for a hour or so each day. 12.220.47.145 29 June 2005 18:02 (UTC)

It's not just you; several folks have reported this. Some have claimed that it's been fixed. See Wikipedia:MediaWiki 1.5 bugs#Can't stay logged on for discussion, though please don't comment there as it makes bugs difficult to track for developers. Use MediaZilla instead. --David Iberri | Talk June 29, 2005 18:09 (UTC)

How do you pronounce "Wikipedia"?

If you go to Wikipedia's article about itself, there is a spoken version that should give you an idea of how to pronounce it. —HorsePunchKid→龜 June 29, 2005 20:15 (UTC)

As you'd expect, it varies a bit between people (see Talk:Wiki#Pronunciation), but I say "Wickih-pedia". --David Iberri | Talk June 29, 2005 20:21 (UTC)

Linking TO a Wikipedia page from an different website

Hello,

We have a website dedicated to Jeffrey Hunter: jeffreyhuntermovies.com

We have added a link on your Jeffrey Hunter page going to our site.

What I would like to do now is add a link from our Homepage going to your Jeffrey Hunter page.

Is that possible? Is there somewhere on your site I can get a 'special' icon to use, or isn't there one?

Thanks much,

Hi. You can simply link to the page -- that's no problem at all. There isn't really a set link, at least partly due to copyright issues with logos. We like to be linked to! smoddy 29 June 2005 21:25 (UTC)

All you have to do is copy and paste the link (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Hunter). Thanks for linking us! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 29 June 2005 21:37 (UTC)

Science and Consciousness Review

The following was written by 80.179.249.98 when he created the new page Science and Consciousness Review. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk 29 June 2005 21:47 (UTC)

mail me more on biomechnics and psychology to darwale2003 A Tyahoo d o t com and also i will like to register to the website account