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January 13

Redirecting

Hey,

I made an article and when I search for it, I can't find it. Why is that? Also, I would like to add some things to it to help it be found easier. for example, the article would be Honda Civic SI and someone would enter, honda civic si I would like that to redirect to the correct one. Thanks

Ricky —Preceding unsigned comment added by Motocross14906 (talk • contribs) 00:50, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

You created Honda CRF150‎ yesterday. The article has not been indexed by Wikipedia search yet. When that happens (probably within a few days) it will be found on lots of search terms including different capitalizations. Wikilinks like Honda crf150‎ will always require an exact match, except on the capitalization of the first word. See Help:Redirect for how to make redirects. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks PrimeHunter, Well the actual title is Honda CRF150F so I was going to move it or rename it to the correct title. Will that mess up the searching? I have about 2 days to go before the "move" button comes up. Thanks

Ricky —Preceding unsigned comment added by Motocross14906 (talk • contribs) 03:12, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I've moved it. It'll be caught by the Mediawiki (& Google etc.) search engines eventually (? a day or so ?). Algebraist 03:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I put your two sections together. You can add a comment with the "edit" link to the right. The move should not delay or mess up Wikipedia's search. In Google searches, "Honda CRF150F" with no space after CRF was around 67 times more common than "Honda CRF 150F". Is there a reason for usually writing "Honda CRF 150F" with space in the article, including in link names for sources which don't have the space? PrimeHunter (talk) 03:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for fixing that name. Yes, CRF150F is the model number without a space. I don't know why the sources are spaces. I might try and change them. . Thanks so much

Motocross14906 (talk) 05:18, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks, I tweaked the article a bit more and removed those spaces and I have one for question a little off-topic. That is, I would like to create maybe one or two more dirtbike articles such as the CRF150R and TTR 125L. Well I don't have those bikes so I don't have pictures. What is the police for using someone else's picture? How would I go about doing that? Thanks so much

Motocross14906 (talk) 05:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

See for example Wikipedia:Images#Obtaining images, Wikipedia:Image use policy, Wikipedia:Finding images tutorial. You may get better answers to specific questions at Wikipedia:Image copyright help desk. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:52, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks I use Google Images a lot. How can I tell if its copyrighted or free to use? Could you check out this link? Thanks

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.motorcycledaily.com/090806_top.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.motorcycledaily.com/08september06_crf150r.htm&h=442&w=600&sz=145&hl=en&start=95&um=1&tbnid=V9YNfOZOKiqXzM:&tbnh=99&tbnw=135&prev=/images%3Fq%3DHonda%2BCRF150R%26start%3D80%26ndsp%3D20%26svnum%3D10%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26rls%3Den-us%26sa%3DN

Thanks!

Motocross14906 (talk) 13:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

So sorry, wrong link here it is: http://www.motorcycledaily.com/090806_top.jpg It is from Motorcycledaily.com

Would this be ok? Thanks —Preceding unsigned comment added by Motocross14906 (talk • contribs) 15:46, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

The image is displayed at http://www.motorcycledaily.com/08september06_crf150r.htm which has a strict copyright notice at the bottom. It may be acceptable under fair use in some circumstances but I don't have time for a better answer now. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

It doesn't look like fair use circumstances are satisfied. Don't use the image if that website is the source. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:57, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

OK, Can I use any of the ones with the blank backgrounds? Try the google image search and you will see what I mean. Thanks

Motocross14906 (talk) 15:55, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

New articles

Hey guys, just wondering one thing. Wikipedia's purpose is to have all the information in the world so people can log on and look at it. Why don't everybody make their own personal page. That way every human being in this world will provide his information to the rest of the world. They can share whatever they feel like. And we'll have more users coming to wikipedia than. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Himank05 (talk • contribs) 03:02, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, the founder did once say "Imagine a world in which every single person on the planet is given free access to the sum of all human knowledge. That's what we're doing." [1] But it shouldn't be taken too literally. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not mentions some things we don't want. Unverifiable information about non-notable people is one of them. But editors are allowed to write some personal information on their user pages which are not part of the encyclopedia. PrimeHunter (talk) 03:25, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

There are limits, though. --Thinboy00 @214, i.e. 04:08, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

The Wales quote is from, among other places, the TEDTalks video: Jimmy Wales (2005) on YouTube (if you're interested in Wikipedia, it's a must-watch), and it makes me wonder just how far out of synch Jimbo has become with the project he started, at least in this one particular detail. Wikipedia itself only wants a relatively tiny (but still absolutely large) subset of human knowledge. Maybe Jimbo's use of the word "sum" is a whopping qualifier (as in, globs and globs of human knowledge somehow do not contribute to the "sum of human knowledge"). To be fair, the Wikimedia Foundation has several other projects that accept some of the knowledge that Wikipedia rejects; and perhaps more importantly, the Foundation gives away its MediaWiki software for free, and several thousand other public wikis are using it. These other people are not just using the MediaWiki software, but they are also, to varying degrees, copying the organizational genius of Wikipedia, and using it to give free access to other subsets of human knowledge that are not part of Wikipedia's "sum." For example, Himank05 wants a page about every person, and so does WikiBios (albeit on some wiki software other than MediaWiki). For almost every sort of knowledge that some people want to give other people free access to, the Wikimedia Foundation has shown the way. Of course we can't ignore the dozens of other wiki software packages and the thousands of wikis running on them, but Wikipedia has probably done more than anybody else to popularize The Wiki Way. Wikipedia is probably the wiki that causes more people than any other wiki to take their first careful look at wiki technology and the social organization of collaborative editing. --Teratornis (talk) 04:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

i need help

I created an article and it was "speedy deleted" and i want to know why —Preceding unsigned comment added by Miramichier (talk • contribs) 03:48, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

For more information, see Wikipedia:Why was my page deleted? To find out why the particular article you posted was deleted, go to the deletion log and type into the search field marked "title," the exact name of the article, mindful of the original capitalization, spelling and spacing. The deletion log entry will show when the article was deleted, by which administrator, and typically contain a deletion summary listing the reason for deletion. If you wish to contest this deletion, please contact the administrator first on his or her talk page and, depending on the circumstances, politely explain why you think the article should be restored, or why a copy should be provided to you so you can address the reason for deletion before reposting the article. If this is not fruitful, you have the option of listing the article at Wikipedia:Deletion review, but it will likely only be restored if the deletion was clearly improper. Hope this has helped. Algebraist 03:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Headless Nun was deleted by Kubigula with no reason given, but before the deletion somebody placed {{nonsense}} on it. The article was certainly not nonsense, but it was unsourced and did not assert notability. Many people make up strange stories like that in Wikipedia but this story appears old and has many Google hits. I will contact the deleting administrator at User talk:Kubigula. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

It has been userfied at User:Miramichier. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

And undeleted with some sourcing added.--Kubigula (talk) 05:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

clothes dryer

how to change the belt —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.185.241.181 (talk) 04:42, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Please do not add nonsense to this page, thank you. If this is a genuine request, and I have not seens it, please explain your question in more detail. Soxred93 | tcdb 04:45, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

This is not nonsense but just on the wrong page. A clothes dryer usually has a belt which sometimes has to be changed. The method and belt must depend on the model. Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:51, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

wikiHow wants to become the world's largest how-to manual (in contrast, Wikipedia says WP:NOT#HOWTO). I don't know if wikiHow tells how to repair your particular model of clothes dryer yet, but eventually it will if enough people decide to share their procedural knowledge with the world. --Teratornis (talk) 04:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

A wikiHow search: [2]. PrimeHunter (talk) 05:08, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

emailing a page

Hello I was wondering is it possible to email a page to a friend? If so how?Shaunestokes (talk) 04:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC)shaune stokes

It is probably easiest to copy the address of the page into the email to make a hyperlink your friend can click on. Astronaut (talk) 04:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

may I create a page about my organization

I would like to make a page about my organization describing what it does and about it. Would this be ok? Mtcharles123 (talk) 05:22, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

You will probably be interested in Wikipedia:Introduction and experimenting with edits in the Wikipedia:Sandbox or your sandbox before actually taking a page live. Typically, it is not wise to start a page about your organization due to possible conflicts of interest, however, if you can show that the company is notable, then it could pass. Can you provide a source or web-page for your organization? Seicer (talk) (contribs) 05:38, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Also, be sure to be non-biased. If your organization. is notable, it's worth writing an article about, but make sure it's not just advertisement. --Evan Seeds (talk)(contrib.) 05:45, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

how to stop other user to edit my page?

dear wikipedia
Someone is often editing my page Panimalar Engineering College,he is not editing with right information.. he is editing with very wrong info..plz let me know how to stop those vandalism.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Shatheeshl (talk • contribs) 09:05, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

The short answer is that you cannot stop someone else editing. Anybody can edit any page on Wikipedia. Even though you created a page, it does not belong to you. It is hard for an outsider to tell who has the correct information, in this case, as the article is completely unreferenced and does not cite its sources. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Citing sources and then add some good quality sources to the article as a start. Then, try to resolve your disputes with the other editor on the articles talk page. Hopefully, you can reach a consensus, but if you cannot, Wikipedia has processes in place for arbitration.

I think the article also has some quality issues and reads a bit like an advertisement. You might find Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) helpful in creating a better article. SpinningSpark 10:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

No person in Wikipedia owns articles. Everyone has the right to edit articles. The other editors also want to edit the article such that it would resemble an advertisement less. Johnny Au (talk) 17:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

From Wikipedia:Verifiability: "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth. "Verifiable" in this context means that readers should be able to check that material added to Wikipedia has already been published by a reliable source. Editors should provide a reliable source for quotations and for any material that is challenged or is likely to be challenged, or it may be removed."

Your comment about right information or wrong is almost irrelevant. What matters is whether the information is referenced and verifiable through reliable sources. If you add true information without any reliable sources then your edits likely will be removed. If someone else adds information that you know is false, but is supported by references to reliable sources, then you cannot delete it. So go find reliable sources for all of your edits and add them as references. Sbowers3 (talk) 23:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Raised the issue of a possible edit war at the administrators noticeboard. Astronaut (talk) 04:50, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Hmm.. I'm just being understood that this guy didn't make this page.Kfc18645 talk 10:45, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

Translating the Middle Chinese Wikipedia

I was horrified to find that not all of the Middle Chinese Wikipedia was translated. Below is a portion of the search page. You may find it quite familiar, but a Chinese user won't.

"Search in namespaces: 主 Talk User User talk 維基大典 維基大典 talk Image Image talk MediaWiki MediaWiki talk Template Template talk Help Help talk Category Category talk 門 議"

I do have the vocabulary for the terms, but what should I enter in the 維基大典:用戶介面翻譯/MessagesZh classical.php ?

Thank you in advance for your cooperation and help. It is much appreciated. Bjhyn (talk) 09:12, 13 January 2008 (UTC) P.S. Is there a table or list of things that need to be translated? names of variables which should be translated into another language for the language to work? Thanks Bjhyn (talk) 09:59, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I haven't worked on translating the interface but maybe mw:Localisation is of help. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Copyright templates for images

Which page(s) has the list of templates for uploaded images? Dainamo (talk) 11:28, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Template messages/Image namespace SpinningSpark 12:01, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thank you :) Dainamo (talk) 13:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Sources to avoid

I am looking, futilely, for a page that discusses sources to avoid using for citation. I've seen in before, but I'm drawing a blank in searching for it. Thanks in advance. Wildhartlivie (talk) 11:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I know what you mean - it can take forever to hunt down a policy/guideline if you can't remember what they've called it. Fortunately, someone's come up with an index Wikipedia:Editor's index to Wikipedia, which lists various source-related matters. Useful ones in your case are perhaps Wikipedia:Reliable sources, Wikipedia:Attribution and Wikipedia:No original research#Sources.--86.149.61.60 (talk) 11:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

hello

how can you see all the wikipedia picture? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.212.113.3 (talk) 12:03, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

You could browse through Category:Wikipedia images. If you want good quality pictures, go to Wikipedia:Featured pictures.--86.149.61.60 (talk) 12:16, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

(e/c)You can go to Special:Imagelist or to all allpages and narrow its ambit to the image namespace. However, many of the images you see on Wikipedia, are hosted by the Wikimedia Commons, which are all freely reusable images. At the time of this writing the Commons had 2,342,935 free media files.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:19, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Jason Kane search

When I search for Jason Kane I get a fictional character called Jason Peter Kane.

If I search for speed pool at the bottom there is a link for professional pool player Jason Kane. I then click on that and get the non fictional Jason Kane.

Why does the professional pool player Jason Kane not appear in searches of his name and instead a fictional character.

Is it possible to make the fictional character search appear under his full name Jason Peter Kane. And the real life pool player under Jason Kane.

Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.132.186.252 (talk) 12:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

The reason is that the name Jason Kane was used as the main name of the fictional character when it was created, with his full name, presumably less used, as a redirect to that article, while the pool player is at the name Jason Kane (pool player). The reason you see his name in the speedpool article as just "Jason Kane" without the disambiguator ((pool player)) in the title is because there, the name has been pipe linked to him. It is possible to change this but it would involve moving the fictional character article to a new name to free up the old, and then moving the pool player article to the freed up name over its redirect which would automatically be created. Before taking any such action, you would need to request the move of the existing article on the fictional character.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:43, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I've added a link to the pool player from Jason Kane to ease navigation. Algebraist 13:38, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Jason Kane (pool player) has not been indexed by Wikipedia search yet. When that happens (probably within a few days), it could also be found by writing Jason Kane in the search box and clicking "Search" below the box. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:08, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I've moved the Doctor Who article to Jason Kane (Doctor Who) and moved Jason Kane (pool player) to Jason Kane, and cleaned up the links to point to the correct pages. Real people trump minor fictional characters. — SMcCandlish [talk] [cont] ‹(-¿-)› 19:50, 25 January 2008 (UTC)

Where next?

I've currently gotten the S Club article to Good Article standard, and I'm just wondering how I go about continuing the article and making it even better. Of course, I'd love to get it to FA status, but before I get that far.. I'd like to know how I would improve it. Are there any WP: pages that can instruct me where I can go next? - ǀ Mikay ǀ 12:32, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I think your next best step is to request help from Wikipedia:WikiProject League of Copyeditors and then take the article to peer review.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 12:47, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Or you may ask a specific editor who you know is a good writer and has experience in contributing to FAs (at least that's what I did before going through my first FAC, WP:PR is certainly helpful, but has a backlog all the time and I wasn't patient enough to visit it.) Best, - PeaceNT (talk) 12:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Wrong Link

Hi there!

I created a link to redirect "Dubai cup" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_cup). But the right would be "Cup" with uppercase letters and no "cup." It should be "Dubai Cup." While trying to fix, used the move button, but there was conflict. Then by mistake I created the link "Copa Dubai" (http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Copa_Dubai&redirect=no) in the Portuguese language in English Wikipedia. I would eliminate/delete that last link, but don't know how to do it. I want to enter the English Wikipedia and search for "Copa Dubai" and does not appear anything related to this link, neither redirects it. I would also like to know how do I eliminate/delete or change the link "Dubai cup" and leave only the "Dubai Cup," with the word "Cup" in uppercase there.

I await the contact and thank attention. Evandro Davis (talk) 15:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Portuguese bellow:

Olá pessoal!

Criei um login em inglês para editar páginas nesta língua e acabei criando o link de redirecionamento "Dubai cup" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dubai_cup). Me dei conta de que o correto seria "Cup" com letra maiúscula e não "cup". Deveria ser "Dubai Cup". Tenei mover, deu conflito e então me atrapalhei e criei o link "Copa Dubai" (http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Copa_Dubai&redirect=no) na Wikipedia em inglês. Gostaria de eliminar este último link, mas não sei como. De modo que se eu entrar na Wikipedia em inglês e procurar por Copa Dubai não aparecerá nada relacionado a este link, nem redirecionado dele. Também gostaria de saber como faço para eliminar ou alterar o link "Dubai cup" e deixar somente o "Dubai Cup", com o "Cup" em maiúsculo existindo.

Aguardo o contato e agradeço a atenção. Evandro Davis (talk) 15:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Only administrators can delete pages, including redirects. Redirects are cheap and don't have to follow article naming conventions. Dubai Cup, Dubai cup, Copa Dubai all look like sensible redirect terms and I see no need to delete any of them. The last two could be put in Category:Redirects from other capitalisations and Category:Redirects from alternative languages with the corresponding template. You can request speedy deletion as author with {{db-author}}. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:01, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

science

cell are defined as? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.48.138.56 (talk) 16:53, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in knowledge questions and will try to answer just about any question in the universe (except how to use Wikipedia, since that is what this Help Desk is for). Just follow the link, select the relevant section, and ask away. I hope this helps. The Helpful One ^{(Talk) (Contributions) (Review Me!)} 16:58, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Hi! The Help Desk is for questions about using Wikipedia, so the Reference Desk might offer more help. We also don't do your homework for you, but you might find Cell (biology) useful. Stwalkerster [ talk ] 17:00, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

safety

is wikipedia a safe site for children? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.154.32.246 (talk) 17:09, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

You may wish to see WP:NOTCENSORED. I would also like to point out that there are many children that I know of both using and actively editing Wikipedia. Stwalkerster [ talk ] 17:15, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Generally Wikipedia is not censored as stated. As to the question of Wikipedia being 'safe' for kids it depends a lot on the context of the use it's put to, and the level of parental or teacher supervision. Clearly Wikipedia may not be suitable for some, but for others given appropriate supervision it can be a viable resource like any other encyclopaedic work. However, Wikipedia does contain some controversial topics , as well as those with which parental/teacher discretion is advised.

You might also want to consider if COPPA is relevant.

62.56.75.239 (talk) 17:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Automobiles are extremely unsafe for children, killing thousands of them per year, and yet in some nations such as the United States, millions of people easily rationalize away this enormous danger to children, or never even consciously perceive it, simply because they like automobiles. While I don't have precise data, I would find it hard to believe Wikipedia could be nearly as dangerous to children as automobiles are, but I would submit that learning to edit on Wikipedia will be more valuable to children for the rest of their lives than automobiles. The children of today will almost certainly live long enough to see Peak oil come and go, and then they are going to have to learn to live with less petroleum every year, because their parents refused to, and burned up all the oil when it was cheap. One way today's children will live with less oil will be by moving information through wires wherever possible, rather than by carting their brains around in motor vehicles. Wikipedia is one of the greatest examples of remote collaboration ever invented - if we can build something as complex as Wikipedia without physically commuting to central offices, what can't we build this way? Given the potentially dire economic consequences of Peak oil, the question is not "Is Wikipedia safe for children?" but rather, "Is is safe to deprive children of Wikipedia?" Wikipedia is a window into the future of how children are going to work when they grow up. Those who learn the wiki way first will tend to have more success than those who learn it later, or never learn it at all. --Teratornis (talk) 17:45, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow. Touché. Feedback ^☎ 19:42, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia has many many pages that are not suitable for young children (and by that I specifically mean pre-teens). I highly recommend the 2007 Wikipedia Selection for any parent who is concerned about their child viewing the more explicit material on Wikipedia. In the case of teens, the best suggestion I can make is to put the computer in a the living room so that if something controversial does come up at least you can have an honest discussion about it. Good luck. —Noah 20:45, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Collaborative filtering might be one way for millions of concerned parents to censor Wikipedia for their children as various subsets of them would see fit. However, an effective collaborative filtering project for Wikipedia would probably have to be comparable in size and complexity to Wikipedia itself. That's no reason not to try building one. Once upon a time, Wikipedia itself was only a good idea. --Teratornis (talk) 03:38, 15 January 2008 (UTC)

mpeg2

My pc seems to be missing this mpeg2 file. How do I replace it. Having problems with sw loading properly and audio on DVDs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.214.37.96 (talk) 18:11, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Have you tried the Computing section of Wikipedia's Reference Desk? They specialize in answering knowledge questions there; this help desk is only for questions about using Wikipedia. For your convenience, here is the link to post a question there: click here. I hope this helps. NF24^{(radio me!)} 18:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

INSERTING LINKS

I just added a name of famous residents of my hometown, Bronxville, NY, a man named Ford Frick. I didn't know how to put his name in blue with a link, as the other names are done. Please tell me how to do this. Thanke, Ed —Preceding unsigned comment added by Knappnotes (talk • contribs) 18:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

To link, put a pagename in double brackets (like [[Ford Frick]]) which produces Ford Frick. NF24^{(radio me!)} 18:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Red links (i.e. The weather in London) indicate that a page does not exist. NF24^{(radio me!)} 18:34, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I have my own question. If, in an article, I write Ford Frick instead of Ford Frick; will it be deleted? Feedback ^☎ 20:04, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Well, it's certainly unorthodox. I think it probably would be deleted. NF24^{(radio me!)} 20:18, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Given that a common criterion for listing in a "notable examples of X" listing is that they're notable enough to have an article of their own, then not linking would at the very least be a warning sign that said notability has not been achieved. Confusing Manifestation(Say hi!) 04:36, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Appropiate Citations

In a few article I have cited World Book Online as a source. But that citation was removed. The edit summary said that they will not allow things that require log ins to be used. Is this permissible to policy? Are subscription based sources allowed on Wikipedia? Marlith ^T/C 19:37, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

An example can be seen here Marlith ^T/C 19:39, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry but the user who removed them is exactly right. Sources that require subscriptions and log-ins are unacceptable on Wikipedia. Feedback ^☎ 19:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Thanks! Marlith ^T/C 19:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

External links sections should not link to subscription or pay services. Citations can be to any reliable source, whether subscription or not which verifies information, though free or non-subscription source are preferred as between two sources, if they are of comparable reliability. You should also label the source in the citation as a subscription only. Examples are medical abstracts, lexis-nexis cases, archives of newspapers, etc. The problem here is that World Book should not be used as it is not a primary or secondary source but an encyclopedia, a tertiary source just like Wikipedia.--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 20:14, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

film

how is it wiki havent got a file for leo gregory?he has had a empire nomination due to appear on goal 3 ...and also keira knightley had a cameo role in thunderpants and she also spoke in it.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.131.100 (talk) 19:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I am sorry, but I didn't understand a word you said except Keira Knightley. Can you please spell correctly so I can understand your problem. Feedback ^☎ 20:03, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

how is it wikipedia haven't got a file for leo gregory? he appeared in green street he has had a empire nomination and is due to appear on goal!!! 3 ...and also keira knightley had a cameo role in british film thunderpants —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.39.131.100 (talk) 20:08, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Because nobody has got round to writing Leo Gregory yet. You could prepare the article if you want and then submit it to Wikipedia:Articles for creation or request it at Wikipedia:Requested articles. Make sure you provide sources though.

For Keira Knightley, she is listed in the Thunderpants article but she is not actually in the official credits for the movie. Where do you think this information should be? She has made a lot of cameos, so listing them all on the Knightley page probably wouldn't work. Woody (talk) 20:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Please check WP:BIO to determine whether the "leo gregory" you mentioned is notable enough for inclusion on Wikipedia. If you believe he is, you may go to Wikipedia:Requested articles to add his entry or create a new article on this person yourself. :) Concerning the keira knightley related information, please provide reliable sources for any materials you want to add to an article, the just edit the page and add them. Hope this helps. - PeaceNT (talk) 20:33, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Leo Gregory certainly appears notable. There is just nobody who has gotten around to making an article about him yet. Special:Whatlinkshere/Leo Gregory shows he already has many red links from other articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

creating an account

James Harris 2008 Candidate for Office 8th District U.S. congress (Georgia) Email: <e-mail removed>

I am having trouble setting up an account. Is there someone who might help me do this? Thanks James Harris —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.89.56.185 (talk) 20:15, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Please be cautious about posting your email address and other information. Regarding your request, I assume you'd like to register the name James Harris; however, the account User:James Harris already exists on Wikipedia, so I'm afraid you have to choose a new username. Also, I recommend you go straight to Wikipedia:Request an account; requests are generally dealt with very quickly there. This help desk page is for answering questions about using Wikipedia only. I hope this helps. - PeaceNT (talk) 20:24, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

tag/template for original spelling/grammar?

Might there be a tag available that can be appended before a quote which identifies the quote as the original and asks people not to edit it for grammar and spelling? See here for the backstory. Bstone (talk) 20:35, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps you could place [sic] in the quote? Not sure if there's a guideline, though, haven't found it yet. - PeaceNT (talk) 20:40, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Sic hasn't helped so far. Which is why I wonder about a tag. Bstone (talk) 20:45, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Have you linked it, like [sic]? When the readers see that template in quotation marks, they should understand and not try to correct the sentence...(Still haven't found a related guideline) - PeaceNT (talk) 20:51, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Manual of Style#Invisible comments You can write something like this in the source: <!-- Do NOT correct spelling or grammar. This quote should be exactly what he wrote in the reference. --> PrimeHunter (talk) 20:54, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

It is also handy to have added info on the article's talk page and to use the hidden text to point editors to that discussion. —Noah 20:57, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

The hidden text is a brilliant solution; it should work I suppose. - PeaceNT (talk) 21:04, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

I added the hidden text and sic. Thanks! Bstone (talk) 21:17, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Insertion Permission

Dear Wikipedia,

I have spent far too much time looking for how to do this. I am sure this subject is in your archives but I have spent too much time looking for it already. What do you need for insertion permission from the website www.inwardoutward.org. I am in contact with the primary contributor of that website daily. What do I need to be able to add "Church of the Saviour, Washington, DC" onto Wikipedia?

Thank you --Meadejh (talk) 21:26, 13 January 2008 (UTC)Meade

Read WP:COI. Feedback ^☎ 21:27, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Let's not be so bitey here. What Feedback has told you is that since you are related to something you want to write about, you are discouraged from writing about the topic except to correct factual errors. If you really want to create the article, then Wikipedia:Your first article should be of interest to you. NF24^{(radio me!)} 21:44, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

No, like I said, he can't create the article per WP:COI. So, YFA won't help him. I suggest he requests the article. Feedback ^☎ 22:26, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

No, COI says "strongly discouraged" not prohibited. A very good editor should be able to put aside his conflict of interest and write a NPOV article. I'd be more concerned about notability of an organization. A very similar article was recently speedily deleted because it did not assert its importance or significance. So Meadejh should read both the COI guidelines and notability guidelines (and Your first article). Sbowers3 (talk) 23:21, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Display problems using Firefox

Individual wiki pages are not showing "talk", "+", etc.rich (talk) 21:41, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Could you please be more specific? Which version of Firefox, which pages are you having trouble on? Have you installed any scripts recently? NF24^{(radio me!)} 21:44, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Start Firefox up in safe mode and attempt the same thing. If you still have a problem then some addon or extension you have installed is causing the problem.--Oni Ookami Alfador^Talk|@ 21:56, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

It is often referered to by "talk" but the link usually says "discussion". The "+" link is only supposed to be on some pages. It is not on articles. If you change skin in Special:Preferences then links can move around, change name, and sometimes not be part of the skin. If you click "Printable version" then the links disappear. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:41, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

SIMULTQNEOUS DEATH

wE ARE TAKING OUR ENTIRE FAMILY, INCLUDING GRANDCHILDREN ON A CRUISE. iF THE SHIP SHOULD DROWN, WE WOULD LIKE TO SET UP A TRUST FUND FOR DECENDANTS OF MY GRANDPARENTS, COUSINS, ETC. iS THERE A FORM FOR THIS?

GRACE FALLONE —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.3.22.3 (talk) 22:53, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Hello. I suspect, based on your question, that you found one of our over two million articles, and thought that we were directly affiliated in some way with that subject. Please note that you are at Wikipedia, the online free encyclopedia that anyone can edit, and this page is a help desk for asking questions related to using the encyclopedia. Thus, we have no inside track on the subject of your question. You can, however, search our vast catalogue of articles by typing a subject into the search field on the left hand side of your screen. If that is not fruitful, we have a reference desk, divided into various subjects areas, where asking knowledge questions is welcome. Best of luck. NF24^{(radio me!)} 22:55, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

Note that Wikipedia does not give legal advice. PrimeHunter (talk) 00:30, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I messed up

I was trying to add 3 more suspected sockpuppets to Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets / Kingofmann but it has added them under Wikipedia:Suspected_sock_puppets/Darkimmortal. Help please. CarbonLifeForm (talk) 23:31, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

 Done - In the future, and to be on the safe side, make all your edits to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets/Kingofmann. NF24^{(radio me!)} 23:49, 13 January 2008 (UTC)