Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Channel Islands

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: delete. MER-C 10:30, 21 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Portal:Channel Islands

Two more Crown dependencies have inadequately implemented, under-maintained, under-viewed portals, Portal:Channel Islands, and Portal:Jersey. The subject of the latter is a subset of the subject of the former, because Jersey is one of the Channel Islands. The following table shows regional portals in the British Isles of which Queen Elizabeth II is the head of state:

Title	Portal Page Views	Article Page Views	Ratio	Percent	Comments	Notes	Articles
Jersey	3	2880	960.00	0.10%	Originator edits sporadically. No maintenance since 2013.		10
Channel Islands	11	1960	178.18	0.56%	Originator inactive since 2015. Last maintenance appears to have been 2014.		16
Isle of Man	12	4691	390.92	0.26%	Originator last edited 2012. No apparent maintenance since 2012.	DYKs are dated April 2013.	2
Northern Ireland	20	5898	294.90	0.34%	Originator blocked in 2007 for sockpuppetry. New maintenance in April 2019.		8
Wales	28	6270	223.93	0.45%	Originator edits sporadically. Last substantive maintenance appears to have been 2011; tweaks since.		58
Scotland	43	7555	175.70	0.57%	Originator inactive since 2018. Maintenance in 2019.		194
England	54	10499	194.43	0.51%	Originator inactive since 2007. No maintenance since 2011.		24
United Kingdom	126	26054	206.78	0.48%	Originator inactive since 2009.	Very large set of articles.	347

Neither of these portals has the 20 articles that are stated as the minimum by the portal guidelines (if that document is a guideline). Neither of these portals has 20 daily pageviews, and so they are not attracting the viewers that are called for in that guideline. Neither of these portals has 1% as many views of the portal as the head article. Neither of these portals appears to have been maintained after 2014, although that guideline specifies that a portal should be about a broad subject area that will attract portal maintainers. If the page being referenced is not a guideline, then Use Common Sense or Ignore All Rules applies. They cannot exactly be subsumed into Portal:United Kingdom or any subordinate portal because the Channel Islands, for historical reasons, are not part of the United Kingdom. (They are not part of England, which is that part of the British Isles that was conquered by William the Conqueror, because they were inherited by William the Conqueror.)

Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Channel_Islands displays 8 selected articles and 8 selected biographies, but they have not been updated since 2014. Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Jersey displays 5 selected articles and 5 selected biographies, but they have not been updated since 2013. Neither of these portals offers any navigational advantage over the head articles Channel Islands and Jersey. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:02, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete both per nominator. In the last few days had done a preliminary analysis of both, and added to to my MFD todo list. I am relived to see that Robert has beaten me to it with his usual detailed analysis. Per WP:PORTAL, "Portals serve as enhanced 'Main Pages' for specific broad subjects". But the Wikiedia main page requires huge amounts of work; it is mainatined by several large teams of busy editors. A mini-mainpage also needs lot of ongoing work if it is going to value over the head article. In each of these cases, the portal is massively less useful in every respect than the head article. So even if someone wants to claim that WP:POG is not a guideline, this pair fail the long-established description of the purpose of portals.

Just a few quick notes to add:

Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Jersey:
- This includes 5 selected articles and 5 selected biogs, with only minor edits since 2012. They are just 7-year-old, unsourced content-forks.
- Portal:Jersey/Did you know is a fake DYK. Neither of the articles mentioned appears to have been part of WP:DYK. As with far too many other portals, this is just a pure trivia section which has misappropriated the branding of WP:DYK for 7 years.
- Portal:Jersey/Nominate/Selected article and Portal:Jersey/Nominate/Selected picture have never had any nominations. This underlines the lack of interest in the portals.
Special:PrefixIndex/Portal:Channel Islands:
- Portal:Channel Islands/Nominate/Selected article and Portal:Channel Islands/Nominate/Selected picture have been never been used to nominate anything. Portal:Channel Islands/Nominate/Selected biography was prompty used by its creator to nominate a page, which seems a bit pointless, but again underlines the lack of interest in these portals by anyone other than their creator(s).
- All the entries in Portal:Channel Islands/Did you know/1, /2, /3 and /4 were added in 2014. . Per WP:DYK, "The DYK section showcases new or expanded articles that are selected through an informal review process. It is not a general trivia section" ... but this five-your-old list of entries mostly much older than that loses the newness, so its only effect is as a trivia section, contrary to WP:TRIVIA. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 23:43, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete (both). I am a Jerseyman and Channel Islander, but I didn't know these existed. The stats show that I am not the only one. These are no longer maintained and add little value. Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 16:26, 17 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.