Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/User:Austhistory99/Indigenous Australian Inter-tribal Wars and Violence

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was: keep. (non-admin closure) Warm Regards, ZI Jony ^(Talk) 23:43, 17 April 2021 (UTC)

User:Austhistory99/Indigenous Australian Inter-tribal Wars and Violence

User:Austhistory99/Indigenous Australian Inter-tribal Wars and Violence (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)​

page is a draft by now blocked user. Based on original research and novel interpretations that are completely out of step with mainstream scholarship on the subject, this draft was clearly created as an attack on Aboriginal Australians - It's essentially racist in its tone, aims to present Aboriginal Australians in worst possible light, to make them look like savages by massively exaggerating the severity and extent of what we know about inter-tribal violence. The creator of this draft is now indef-blocked for blatant COI and advocacy issues which amounted to a racist attack on an Aboriginal author. This kind of racist attack page doesn't belong anywhere on wikipedia Bacondrum 20:49, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

• Note: the draft's creator has provided a lengthy riposte at User talk:Austhistory99#MfD nomination of User:Austhistory99/Indigenous Australian Inter-tribal Wars and Violence, with further comments by the nominator. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:49, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
• Comment - See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Indigenous Australian Inter-tribal Wars and Violence. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:41, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
• Delete:
  • User space material by indefinitely blocked users should be viewed with suspicion.
  • This essay was already downgraded from project space to user space in a previous MFD, and now the author is blocked.
  • I wrote to Keep this the first time because war is an ancient tragic activity of H. sapiens, so that this is not an attack on any ethnic group. But we don't need essays by H. sapiens who are not allowed to edit.
  • Robert McClenon (talk) 15:52, 1 April 2021 (UTC)
    • I don't think an article with that many citations from anthropologists and historians can be categorized as an "essay". -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 03:10, 2 April 2021 (UTC)

Depends on how the content is framed, one can write an essay or an attack piece and attach many great sources without reflecting them accurately, absent of the broader mainstream and contemporary view. Especially when dealing with Aboriginal Australians, historians and anthropologists need to be considered very carefully. This is a country with a profound history of racism. Regardless, this draft article is a load of racist nonsense, we have no comparable article on Wikipedia, Aboriginal people should not be singlesd out in such a manner, presenting only the most negative claims available, mainstream contemporary scholarship does not treat this subject in such a manner and it is fair to say that doing so is bald faced racism. Bacondrum 03:43, 3 April 2021 (UTC)

• Keep. Sufficiently scholarly to overcome perceived racial offensiveness. Anyone may attempt to pick this up and work with it, for the improvement of mainspace. It’s deletion would smack more of censorship. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 03:42, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
• I immediately looked for a link to Quadrant, it is in the magazine's online "opinion" section, by some fella citing the editor, Keith Windschuttle, entitled "A blacked-out past — Part III". ~ cygnis insignis 16:22, 4 April 2021 (UTC)
• Keep per SmokeyJoe. Vaticidalprophet 01:23, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
• Keep Unsuitable for mainspace at the moment, but has the potential to be useful after editing. Zoozaz1 talk 22:17, 6 April 2021 (UTC)
• Keep: Reasonably-sourced start to an article, though I'd remove the and Violence from the title to remove the "savages" connotations if moved to mainspace. We have countless articles on European wars, so I don't see the need to delete this singular draft. Somnifuguist (talk) 22:37, 11 April 2021 (UTC)
• Keep per those above. — Godsy ^(TALK_CONT) 20:51, 14 April 2021 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.