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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result of the discussion was delete both. Tim Song (talk) 01:06, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia:Wikipedia is more than just two apes

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These indecipherable parables are only linked from each other and are the only contributions from the author. Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 09:08, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Seems sort of wikipedia-related. Attempt to get some meaning behind behaviours. Probably should userfy as the work and opinion of a single author of disputed relevance. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 23:53, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • "The purpose of this policy is to forbid deceptive or misleading use of multiple accounts and to explain where editors may legitimately use a second (alternate) account." The usage here is neither "deceptive" nor "misleading." It is not used to convey an appearance of support from any other user. It is not used for "disruptive edits". The project space statement specifically does not include essays. Thus, as far as I can tell, this would be an ideal space for permitted use of an alternative account, and a violation of no policy, Collect (talk) 10:51, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. Throw the shorter one in userspace, I guess. I think that's often a good representation of Wikipedia. It could be modified a bit to better meet good essay standards. Incidentally, strictly speaking, the man in the ape suit is an ape. Just sayin'. Buddy431 (talk) 21:05, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • As a number of people do see the relevance to WP, and since it is related to WP as far as those people are concerned, would that not obviate your concern? I would, moreover, state that metaphors which are explained as you suggest lose their effectiveness. Collect (talk) 10:51, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • I disagree. Plain speaking is far more effective for communication than clever metaphors. If the clever metaphors are really clever, then keep them, but it doesn't hurt to explain more simply further on. I have read it a few time and it is too clever for me. I do not see any meaning it. --SmokeyJoe (talk) 13:23, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
OK -- consider the apes as WP editors, the man in the ape suit as someone above mere plebian editors. Consider how WP defines "consensus" and so on. Fill in further blanks on your own <g>. I suspect most readers could figure this one out <g>. Collect (talk) 14:34, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I understood that, but I completely missed any point it was actually trying to make (if indeed it is trying to make one). Is it saying that this is a good thing? a bad thing? if the latter, it doesn't give any indication about how we should avoid it. At the minute all I can see is it saying "this happens", which doesn't help anyone. Thryduulf (talk) 16:57, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Are essays required to recommend courses of action? I think the point it's making is that Wikipedians often seem like apes throwing feces at each other and arguing about trivial things. I mean, what we call our Airplane Aeroplane Fixed-wing aircraft article isn't exactly Serious Business, yet there was plenty of proverbial poop being thrown. Buddy432 (talk) 17:45, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I suppose the question here is, are all essays with some link to Wikipedia welcome in projectspace? These two have received essentially no visitors, are linked from nowhere except each other, and would likely have remained that way indefinitely. Were they attatched to a user in some standing they'd probably get userfied. But put out anonymously? Is there a line there at all, and if so what would one have to write to get under it? Chris Cunningham (not at work) - talk 18:59, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
If no one else will take them, and they aren't allowed to remain in wikipedia project space, I'll take the long one in my User Space. Maybe if I ever have time and the will, I'll work on it a bit to make it a bit clearer, etc. (user:buddy431) 130.126.222.146 (talk) 23:15, 15 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I support userfying this to your userspace so that you can work on it. Delete the second "essay" as lacking substance. Cunard (talk) 08:08, 16 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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