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25 May 2020

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Is it possible to get a CU to look into whether or not Daaask is Fishdash and Dhashwanth Kumaran? Fishdash and Dhashwanth are the same person for sure. User page information,[1][2] plus behaviour makes that pretty clear. Fishdash is extraordinarily incompetent and apparently relentless, which makes him a huge pain. Fishdash was also indeffed at Commons for repeated copyright violations, uploading non-free images.

There are several areas of intersection between the three users.

  • The main things I've noticed Fishdash doing, is making generally incompetent edits. He'd reorganise cast lists and starring credits without providing sufficient explanations. Example here where he's opted to reorder characters, but then make peculiar choices about phrasing, changing the existing content to read "The film stars Jai in the lead dual role, with Raai Laxmi, Varalaxmi Sarathkumar and Catherine Tresa are in the female leads." This creates a strange situation where the user is choosing to highlight a male as having the "lead role" and then indicating women actors as being the "female leads" as if it's a role of lesser importance. That reeks of unconscious gender bias.
  • This is similar to what Daaask does here, adding the phrasing the film stars Jayam Ravi, Kajal Aggarwal and Yogi Babu in the lead roles apparently unaware that a starring role is probably a lead role? He also reorganises cast arbitrarily. This are important points for this SPI.
  • Random cast reordering by Daaask here.
  • Random cast reordering here by Daaask. Even though we were previously looking at a list of an ensemble cast, Daaask decides that Nithin Sathya isn't part of the ensemble, but is the singular noteworthy actor to have "a supporting role". This user is trying to redefine cast importance based on their POV. This is consistent with the weird choices Fishdash was doing. And while this could be chalked up to Fishdash being a 15 year old.
  • Oh yeah, I forgot to mention edits like this, where Daaask is incompetently generating wikilinks to Kalyan Kumar that are tied to the name Dhashanth. My guess: Kalyan Kumar is this bloke's dad. Note also these edits where the same thing happens, only Daaask not only links to pater Kalyan Kumar, but also links to Ashwin. Same incompetent linking, all related to Dhashwanth, and a likely COI issue throughout.

I think this is enough to suggest a look for a connection to Daaask, and also a check for undiscovered socks. I could also use some help from a CU in stifling some anonymous edits related to this, since they have abused the system in that regard also. See 2409:4072:631E:60F:9DE4:1F9E:12D0:BC18 for instance. In this edit, whomever is behind that IP (Fishdash, et. al) changes the clear existing wording to read The film stars Vijay in a dual role, alongside Sridevi features as the Queen of the film. While Hansika Motwani and Shruti Haasan are in the female leads. So now one of the actors is indicated as "the Queen of the film". Does he mean that she's the most important actor in the film, or does he mean that she plays a queen? It's unclear because a similar IP made these edits, where Premgi Amaran is indicated "as the film's comedian". Does that mean that Amaran is a comedian, or that he plays a comedian? And then notice again that once more, in that first IP edit that we have two people who are singled out as ultra important, Vijay and Sridevi, but then a separate cluster of "female leads". Mind-boggling.

Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:21, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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All three named accounts are a  Likely (bordering  Confirmed) match to one another, and Fishdash is a  Confirmed match to Dhashwanth33 (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki). Blocking and tagging (or retagging) all as socks of the oldest account, which appears to be Daaask. Yunshui 雲水 10:28, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

13 July 2020

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All edits are to articles edited by recently blocked Dashukl, including this one, same as prior sock edit. Clear WP:DUCK. Ravensfire (talk) 15:55, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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24 June 2020

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Both the users have tried to remove speedy deletion tag from Shabana Shajahan that has recently created. DMySon 14:59, 24 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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04 July 2020

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I think a CU might be helpful, because per the archive, we already know that the user had two accounts open at the same time. Also, this new user's edits give me strong undisclosed paid editing vibes. This user is very aggressive with their editing, and some of the articles they've edited have been created by socks of people like Arnav19, who was a very aggressive, incompetent editor, who created tons of Tamil TV articles.

Note Endrendrum Punnagai (TV series), which has had very few edits by people other than Dhaswanth. I see some likely logged-out editing there, and some edits from some random accounts like Rvsran, who happens to be a prolific Tamil TV article creator.

  • I think this could wind up being Arnav19, based on the Tamil TV obsession, and some incompetent choices that only I'd notice, like that Endrendrum Punnagai (TV series) uses |location= with "Tamil Nadu", which is not the proper usage of that parameter. I also notice that the article has a boneheaded category Category:Tamil Nadu drama television series, as if that means anything. (Does it mean that the show is set in Tamil Nadu? Does it mean that the show is produced in Tamil Nadu?) Not surprisingly, this cat was created by Arnav19 and manipulated by one of his socks, Thilakshan. Another possible tell: I see an edit like this by Rvsran. Note how in the |genre= parameter of the infobox, they include "Tamil soap opera" rather than "Soap opera"? That's probably because Arnav19 created Tamil television soap opera and likes to link to it any chance he gets. (As of this SPI, there were about 350 articles with this link, but I plan to pare it down.) Part of what made Arnav19 so pernicious, was that he'd make a mistake or do something boneheaded, then propagate those problems to SCORES of articles. I spent about a year trimming leading zeros from dates (among other things) because he didn't know how to properly format a date, and removing |preceded_by= and |followed_by= from articles, because he didn't bother to learn how to properly use these parameters. Obviously we'll never be able to CU this back to Arnav19, but I think there's definitely an Arnav19 stink here. Thanks. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:18, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  •  Clerk endorsed - Not expecting too much given the previous CU finding, but endorsing - I've also added Rvsaran to the check list. Pretty sure about Dashukl (lot of overlap plus un-draftifying a Dhashwanth K.L. creation), Rvsaran has a fair amount of article overlap but I haven't dug enough to have a firm behavioral opinion. GeneralNotability (talk) 00:23, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • I think Arnav was in Switzerland, and looking at the editing time cards, Arnav appears to be in a different region than Rvsran, or at least edited at times that were significantly different. Dashukl appears to be editing at similar times to Arnav, but it's not fully conclusive. And there indicators that Rvsran is a sock of someone. For starters, drive-by creation of Tamil television articles, as if they were being paid to manufacture these. The shows are on from different TV networks, so I don't know who to suspect--the State of Tamil Nadu? Here Rvsran uses arrows to indicate that an actor replaced another actor. That spread to tons of articles. I notice the use of an arrow by sock operator Swakutty here. I also notice that Dashukl sometimes used edit summaries, wehre Rvsran did not. So, I don't know... Cyphoidbomb (talk) 17:24, 7 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rvsvan is Red X Unrelated to this case, very strongly  Unlikely to Arnav19, and I don't see any indications that they may be related to any other known masters. Dashukl is  Possible, same huge network and same very common OS but different browsers. As before,  Behavioural evidence needs evaluation. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:56, 8 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • @Ivanvector: Out of curiosity, would any of the Daaask socks line up with Dashukl and Dhashwanth K.L.? Why I'm asking, is that two of Daaask's alter-egos were Fishdash and Dhashwanth Kumaran, and I notice obvious name similarities to Dashukl and Dhashwanth K.L. I only noticed today by accident while doing an interaction analysis that I had a Dhashwanth in my browser's auto-fill cache. If all of these people are on the same network, then I think we're in duck territory. There are significant overlaps between this group of four. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:53, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      • @Cyphoidbomb: I can't give you any better than  Possible with the Daaask accounts. They are using the same very large network. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 17:50, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
        • @Ivanvector: Well what if I were to sweeten the deal with This Dhashwanth K.L. sandbox compared to this Dashukl user page? I know, I know, not much more you can do. But I think it's pretty clear that Dashukl is evading a block as Dhashwanth K.L., and I do think they're tied to the Fishdash/Dhashwanth Kumaran socks. I just wish I had a better idea of the master, but I know you've done what you can. I've blocked Dashukl as a duck of Dhashwanth K.L. and tagged him as a sock of Daaask. I'm not sure where all this data should be filed, though. Flagging for clerk attention. Thanks for the help. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:11, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm not seeing where clerk assistance is needed here? Am I missing something? :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 04:37, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@Oshwah: Per the last response above to Ivanvector, I'm not clear on where these reports should ultimately be filed. I think there's enough duck evidence to support Dashukl as a sock of Dhashwanth K.L., but I also suspect both of being ducks of Daaask. Latha bsf Hasn't really made a name for themselves to be implicated as a clear sockmaster, and I don't know that there's sufficient behavioural evidence to name them a sockmaster. The CU can't peg a clear sockmaster either, so someone should probably figure out where to leave all the data. Archived in one SPI? Copied to another with clarification? I mean if someone finds more Daaask socks, will it be clear that the Dashukl/Dhashwanth K.L. socks were related? That's where I'm coming from in requesting a clerk. And if a clerk sees some other potential solution, great! Cyphoidbomb (talk) 05:04, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cyphoidbomb - Ah, got'cha. Thanks for clarifying. Good question... Let me take a gander and see what the right way to file this would be... ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 05:33, 12 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Oshwah Ah-ha-ha! This is exactly what the altmaster tag is for...and I've got just the script for the job. Cyphoidbomb, just to make sure I understand the situation:
  • Latha bsf/Dashulk/Dhaswath KL are believed to be the same editor based on behavior
  • We think that this group may also be related to Daaask, which currently has a separate SPI, but we have neither CU nor clear behavior to prove the two.
Does that sum it up correctly? GeneralNotability (talk) 15:28, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@GeneralNotability: Latha bsf didn't make enough edits for me to say definitively that it was related to the others, but behaviourally, and with their overlap with the others, it's possible. The rest of your summary is correct. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 15:47, 13 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

27 August 2020

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Same edit [3] removing post from talk page as prior sock [4]. The history of List of programs broadcast by Zee Tamil shows extensive history of Daaask socks (and related IP's, see [5] that also removed the talk page edit as IP sock of Daaask. Daaask is known to be active on the Tamil wikipedia, see [6] this page which all of the most recent edits are from Daaask socks. Ravensfire (talk) 16:05, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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04 August 2020

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Per a report on meta ([7]) and cross-wiki abuse at Tamil Wikipedia (thanks علاء). See below. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:30, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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@Cyphoidbomb and GeneralNotability: see Puyaw (talk · contribs), who's first edit was to restore a sock edit with a very heartfelt plea, okay, it was a demand. Ravensfire (talk) 01:28, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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 On hold while I follow up. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 16:30, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for getting that Bal58328oo sock. I forgot to do it. They seemed to have created it only to edit twice. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:21, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'm going to propose that Group 2 could be related to Bothiman based on some behavioural stuff. Looking at Special:Undelete/Draft:Madan_Gowri, I notice that it was moved to draft space by VigneshVijayaRaj a CU'd sock of Bothiman. The naming conventions of "Veejay" and "Tamilvj" and "Vijaya" seem to implicate Bothiman in this context, since Bothiman is a known lickspittle for Indian Tamil actor, Vijay. However, the other article that Tamilvj883889 edited, Thirumakkottai, is not one that any of the other Bothiman socks have edited, so that might be a strike against. Or not. Given that this new batch appears to be working in tandem, i.e. creating a draft dump from one account, then fleshing it out with the other, that looks like UPE to me. Looking at the versions of the Draft:Madan Gowri articles created by VigneshVijayaRaj and by Tamilvj883889, I see some inconsistencies between their writing style but that could be because one of them is getting passed content from someone else, or because they're cribbing it from somewhere. Both of them spell Tamil Nadu "Tamilnadu", which is interesting. I wouldn't mind someone else taking a look. I don't specifically recall Bothiman being as incompetent as this last batch--his real issue was that he was a Vijay promoter, but as I look through some of his edit summaries, he does not have a great grasp of English. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:08, 4 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Based on crosswiki results (thanks again علاء!) Latha bsf is  Likely to Dashukl. I can't say confirmed because I can't actually see the data, just the summary provided on the private wiki. Cyphoidbomb, I'll take a look at the Bothiman case shortly if someone else doesn't beat me to it. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 20:44, 5 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Clerk note: Cases merged per CU request (went with the copy-and-paste with attribution approach since the two cases have overlapping edits). Moving to "checked" pending evaluation of group 2. GeneralNotability (talk) 00:00, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Clerk note: Went ahead and retagged everyone from group 1 + Latha bsf as "proven" to Daaask as well. GeneralNotability (talk) 00:03, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • My last comment on this: I also think the Daaask socks (not Bothiman) are related to Vasan20, although there's probably no data on this user anymore. This was a totally incompetent editor who kept making idiotic choices, like changing film translations that were formatted {{translation}} Translated title to English: ''Translated Title'', which is problematic for multiple reasons, including that English speakers don't need to be told that something is English. The user was also prolific, and they ignored every comment trying to educate them. Virtually every choice they made was wrong for one reason or another, which is kind of what these Daaask socks are doing. Daaask kept doing stupid stuff like adding to film articles "John Doe in the lead, with Jane Doe in the female lead", despite being told multiple times that we don't need to segregate men and women or indicate "female lead" as if it were some kind of lesser role subordinate to men. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 00:23, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    Cyphoidbomb, Ivanvector, my money is on separate UPE for Tamilvj and Veejay - not quite enough overlap with past versions of that draft. I'm wondering if this might have actually been a fight of sorts, VVR moving Madan Gowri to draft because it wasn't "their" version (I can't think of a good reason for a member of the farm to have draftified). My vote is that we just block the two as socks of each other and call it a night. Don't see enough behavioral evidence to tie Symphocation to the other two. GeneralNotability (talk) 00:26, 6 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Ivanvector:, I just noticed this guy, Abishekjerold rearranging cast and adding "female leads" phrasing into that article, which is what Fishdash, one of the Daaask socks was doing, like here. Abhishek also needlessly adds the redundant "stars...in lead roles" phrasing here, which was the same thing I warned Fishdash for doing that here. The one thing though, is that I don't see any intersections between this new guy and Fishdash, Daaask or Dashukl. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:09, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My bad, typo. Here's the interaction report. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:16, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The above can be ignored because I've pasted my relevant notes into the new SPI that was opened. Don't want anybody to do more work than is necessary. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:56, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

10 August 2020

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I don't know if this level of wild incompetence is a normal behavior for bothiman or Daaask and I honestly can't tell based on the results who belongs to what but it's clear to me that SUSTAMI, originally TamilMirchi2 has some relation. See this recration of Madan Gowri/Draft:Madan Gowri etc... they also popped up a single day after the last CU was run and accounts were blocked. Praxidicae (talk) 12:15, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Interestingly enough, they've just requested a recreation of a creation from the 0lesson sock farm here. Praxidicae (talk) 11:11, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've actually refiled under 0lesson's case per Steward findings and global lock, as well as the similarity with the last blocked sock. Praxidicae (talk) 11:28, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  •  Clerk note: self endorsing per above. Praxidicae (talk) 12:16, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    • Added Abishekjerold to the CU list above per my query in the last SPI report on this. My pinging of Ivanvector got munged I think because I tweaked the report. The gist was:
I noticed this guy, Abishekjerold rearranging cast and adding "female leads" phrasing into that article, which is what Fishdash—one of the Daaask socks—was doing, like here. Abishek also needlessly adds the redundant "stars...in lead roles" phrasing here, which was the same thing I warned Fishdash for doing that here. There are also several intersections with prior socks in the interaction report.
Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 20:54, 10 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

08 October 2020

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Might be a case of a sockpuppet, but might only have the same areas of interest. However, it's very suspicious that they create an article, the day after it was deleted for being created by another sockpuppet. Looking at the user's contributions, they also had input at articles in common with the puppet master or one of their socks, such as Poove Poochudava (TV series), Gokulathil Seethai (2019 TV series), and Gokulathil Seethai (2019 TV series). Onel5969 TT me 16:26, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Blocked as duck. Articles deleted. User was also being followed around by a 2409:4072:* IP, which I'd seen a lot when Daaask was editing. Other notes: user can't spell and seems to think it's okay to steal content from other sources. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 18:12, 8 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

10 October 2020

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Virtually all pages that they have made significant edits to thus far have been articles edited by Daaask's socks (Poove Poochudava (TV series), Suryavamsam (TV series), Poove Unakkaga (TV series)), and now they're going around asking me and Cyphoidbomb if they can re-create articles that were just deleted as G5 creations by Daaask ([8], [9]. signed, Rosguill talk 15:49, 10 October 2020 (UTC) signed, Rosguill talk 15:49, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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16 October 2020

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Suspicious edits from a brand new account. Their first edit was to recreate Draft:Piriyadha Varam Vendum (TV series), which had recently been G5-deleted as a creation by Daaask socks. While the original draft there was different from what prior socks had submitted, Kannalane then went on to nominate two articles for deletion over the next few days, Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kadaikutty Singam (TV series) and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sundari Neeyum Sundaran Naanum (TV series), and then reached out to me to ask me to approve their draft into mainspace [10], similar to a prior sock [11]. I don't really see how a brand new editor that has yet to even receive a talk page message would know to do any of this. signed, Rosguill talk 15:26, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Noting also that here I see a follow-up from a 2409:4072.* IPv6. This is consistent with the range suspected to be used by Daaask. The edit in question also appears to be Daaask refactoring the comment they stole from another AFD. Nice. I also note that the articles they've nommed for deletion are on the Vijay TV network, where this new sock suspect seems to like Zee Tamil. Retribution to a competing network, or just brand loyalty? Or just pissed off their articles were deleted?
SUB-NOTE: So Kannalane lifted an AFD comment written by CleanAmbassy, who also has all the hallmarks of a sleeper account of someone.
  • Their user page has a world-weary proclamation that they are not a paid editor, yet I see no indication on their talk page that anybody accused them of that. Seems like a weird thing to be suddenly defensive about.
  • Their editing history also seems questionable. They went into hibernation early, then came back, made a slew of "Welcome" edits, and later a burst of "Shortdesc helper" edits, as if they're trying to get to Edit-Confirmed.
  • The Shortdesc helper tool was utilised by 0lesson, who also operates on the same internet network. So my rough supposition is that Daaask and 0lesson could be working in tandem, orrrr, even weirder, what if they were competitors? The Zee Super Family article that CleanAmbassy nommed for deletion was created by a Daaask sock. So maybe Daaask saw the deletion notice, then nommed two articles in retribution, using CleanAmbassy/Olesson's words to do so.
Ah, but I could speculate for days... Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:31, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think we're in duck and megaphone territory at this point, but I can't fathom what they could possibly have been hoping to accomplish by reaching out to me directly. signed, Rosguill talk 16:39, 16 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Clerk endorsed - I think Kannalane is a Daaask sock, given their singlemindeed focus on ZeeTV (I wonder if the show they nominated for deletion is by a ZeeTV competitor?). Agreed that CleanAmbassy looks like somebody's sock, but I'm not especially confident that they're Daaask...if CU turns up any connections to known sockmasters that would be helpful. GeneralNotability (talk) 13:45, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kannalane = Parkijolli (talk · contribs), a previously blocked sock. CleanAmbassy comes from the same range, but it's extremely difficult to tell who is who. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 17:47, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
@AmandaNP: Prior CUs noted that 0lesson was on the same network as Daaask. Was there any way to link CleanAmbassy to 0lesson? I know that it's a big network, but I thought I'd ask. If not, GeneralNotability do you think that behaviourally CleanAmbassy resembles 0lesson? To me the user-welcoming and Shortdesc abuse seems like the really obvious link and their attempts to game the extended-confirmed system. Even if there was a doubt that they were the human behind 0lesson, I think we both agree that they're a sock of someone and are likely not here for good reasons. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 19:11, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No way to link them from the technical side. Both have very generic useragents on both ends. It's like trying to differentiate a pencil with an eraser from one without the spread of a 1,000 pencils that have equal features. -- Amanda (aka DQ) 19:42, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cyphoidbomb (wrote this comment before you reverted) pretty sure they're not Yoodaba, they aren't showing any of the common behavioral tells and I don't think we've seen Yoodaba edit South Asian topics before. As for 0lesson...maybe? Based on behavior, likely Asia, and per AmandaNP (if I understand correctly) same wide range. I'll split the difference and UPE block rather than sock block. GeneralNotability (talk) 21:08, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

08 November 2020

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Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 21:11, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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