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05 January 2011
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This was raised at WP:ANI#Stonewalling by User:Deleting Unnecessary Words. They pointed out some edits where the accounts restore edits that had been originally made by one of the other accounts and reverted. There is substantial overlap in the articles edited, and the times of editing are nearly identical. Intersection between SubcommandanteM and GoldDragon:[1]; MaxForce and GoldDragon:[2]; SubcommandanteM and MaxForce:[3] Wikichecker reports:[4][5][6] Fences&Windows 22:15, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The sudden reappearance of User:Deleting Unnecessary Words, who gave this lead, is odd, thinking about it. I am minded to accept the argument that this was not done with any intent to sockpuppet, though it gave that impression. Could they now be declared as alternate accounts? Undeclared alt accounts can be used, but not to avoid scrutiny, and not in the same area of editing. Seek help if being hounded by another user. Fences&Windows 02:14, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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The other accounts came about because I was consistently being followed by an anon user, 69.159.27.XXX, who kept reverting my edits and never actually adding anything constructively to an article. As that anon user refused to sign up and kept following GoldDragon, I created the other accounts to try to throw that anon off.

However, I have never used these multiple accounts to create the perception of different users during an active article dispute, whether to skirt the 3RR or manipulate votes. While I may have edited the same article with different accounts, this was not in any short period of time (once I realized that the other editors rejected the edit due to content and not because of GoldDragon, I backed off). I have not overlapped accounts with an article recently unless it was inadvertent. In particular, I've never used multiple accounts in any disputes against User:Viriditas, therefore that user had no good reason to request an SPI investigation. GoldDragon (talk) 01:54, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Not trying to go off on a tangent but User:Deleting Unnecessary Words's sudden reappearance [7] is really surprising, as I've never had any disputes with that user at all. As for scrutiny, as certain users have reverted my edits without bothering to read the content, that was why I tried an alt account a long time ago. GoldDragon (talk) 02:58, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I have had dealings with both of these accounts in the last week. Looking back, I should have known by the fact that both were edit warring with the same IP, at the same time, but I thought I was dealing with two different editors. GoldDragon claims above that "I created the other accounts to try to throw that anon off." Is this a legitimate way to edit wikipedia? It seems to me that I and quite posibly other editors were duped into thinking we were dealing with two people, when the whole time, it was GoldDragon with multiple accounts. As a legitimate editor trying to help the project, I know that editing can be frustrating at times, but why do we have to put up with stuff like this, that just makes the whole proces even more frustrating? It may not have been GoldDragon's intention to trick anyone other than an IP that he felt was harassing him, but there has to be a better way to deal with the problem than resorting to using sockpuppets. Cmr08 (talk) 04:14, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry if this is getting into too much detail for this discussion, but above GoldDragon mentions that he never used the accounts to give the perception of different users. If it turns out that that User:SubcommandanteM is indeed GoldDragon, this edit summary may contridict the above statement. dif Cmr08 (talk) 06:04, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
I think the most troubling and telling aspect of this case is GoldDragon's statement above (emphasis added): "I have not overlapped accounts with an article recently". Viriditas (talk) 09:36, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
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GoldDragon and MaxForce are  Confirmed. SubcommandanteM is  Stale; that will need to be determined solely on behavioral evidence. –MuZemike 22:22, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • information Administrator note So I've indef blocked and tagged the sockpuppet, and I've blocked GoldDragon for 2 weeks for sockpuppeting. I too find the comments about not socking recently to be troubling. As to the stale account, I've tagged it as being a possible sock, but I'm not going to block it just yet. However, feel free to relist if it becomes active again. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 13:37, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
15 January 2011
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I'm filing this report on behalf of User:Cmr08, who claims to have found a new GoldDragon sockpuppet.[8][9] DowDiamond (talk · contribs) was created on 8 January 2011,[10] two days after the GoldDragon account was blocked.[11] Since then, DowDiamond has followed closely in the footsteps of GoldDragon, with an astounding 12 out of 16 topics matching GoldDragon's contribution history from a total of only 32 edits made from 8 Jan to 14 Jan.[12][13] This appears to be a clear case of sockpuppetry based on evidence alone. Note: The use of the DowDiamond account is in violation of GoldDragon's current block, however precautions should be taken to insure that GoldDragon isn't the victim of a joe job. Viriditas (talk) 03:06, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

DowDiamond indef blocked, either an obvious sock[14] or a hoaxer, but in either case not an account we need. Checkuser would be good to flush out the "truth". Fences&Windows 03:45, 15 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
18 April 2011
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RememberCharlie has just been revealed as an obvious GoldDragon account. The contribution history shows that it violated the previous one month block that began on January 15 with more than 40 edits during that time.[15] Because the account is currently active, I am therefore asking for a new, 2 month (or equivalent) block to be placed on the GoldDragon master account and an indefinite block given to RememberCharlie. Viriditas (talk) 08:52, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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This is getting frustrating, the editor doesn't seem to take wikipedia guidelines seriously. He gets blocked in January 2011, starts using another account, DowDiamond, making the same type of edits to the same types of articles. He gets caught, and his block extended, then starts another account while still blocked, and continues the same patern. I also suspect that he was using this IP[16] during the same block, as the edits are mostly removing fact tags, some even more than once. From this patern, it doesn't seem like the editor is going to stop. I have to wonder, how many more accounts does this editor have that we have not discovered yet? Cmr08 (talk) 23:24, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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I dug out what I could from the archive - it appears this user is using the same IP that GoldDragon did in January. More than that, I can't say. TNXMan 13:24, 18 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

04 August 2011
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User:Cmr08 has identified a new obvious sock puppet of indef. blocked User:GoldDragon. I'm copying over his evidence that was posted on my talk page: "The contribution list[17] shows that he has been edit warring in a number of articles, and just tonight has now attempted to re-insert an edit in which Gold Dragon was involved in an edit war. Compare the edits. Demon Hill[18], Gold Dragon[19], and even Max Force (another of his sockpuppet)[20]. Can anything actually be done about this? He just keeps creating new accounts everytime he gets blocked, and goes back to editing the same articles, making the same obvious edits, there just seems no end to this. Is it even worth looking into to? If he was to get blocked today, by next week, he'll have a new account and were back into the same problems again."[21]

Can we get a longer term solution to the continuing abuse? Viriditas (talk) 03:14, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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  • information Administrator note I've blocked and tagged the sock on behavioral grounds. I'd like to point out, though, that this is not nearly as bad as you guys are making it out to be. This is the fourth case we've had in six months, and we've got a total of four tagged sock accounts. It's a rather slow burning case, and there isn't really much we can do in terms of a long term solution. Lengthy article protections or extended IP blocks would cause collateral damage, I'd think. Relist and report as necessary and we can take it from there. — HelloAnnyong (say whaaat?!) 03:27, 4 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]
27 April 2013
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Touranushertz seems to be replicating GoldDragon's behaviour pretty closely. See this edit compared to this one. Both users also have an obsession with BMW's M-cars, the BMW N54 engine and the Audi A8/S8. IP1 is definitely a puppet of Touranushertz (I hate that name), see this edit vs this one. The similarity with GoldDragon was also pointed out by another user on T's talkpage, which spooked T enough to delete the comment - which is T's only contribution to their own talkpage so far!  Mr.choppers | ✎  17:29, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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30 January 2014
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Limefrost Spiral has the same very unusual combination of interests as GoldDragon and the many socks.

Limefrost Spiral compared to GoldDragon.[22] They have both edited the following articles: Mercedes-Benz M278 engine, Honda Pilot, Walmart Canada, Infiniti, History of Chrysler, Cruise ship, Howard Webb, Pensacola-class cruiser, Third place playoff, Chris Simon, and Chief operating officer.

Limefrost Spiral compared to confirmed sock DowDiamond.[23] DowDiamond only edited for a week, but the following articles were edited by both: Hawthorne Village, Ontario, BMW 7 Series (F01) and South Dakota-class battleship (1939).

Limefrost Spiral compared to confirmed sock RememberCharlie.[24] They both edited the following articles: Ted Turner, Descent II, Descent 3, Mark Hurd, Audi S6, BMW 7 Series (F01), Acura RL, Pensacola-class cruiser, Piano Concerto No. 3 (Rachmaninoff), Corporate title and Chairman.

Limefrost Spiral compared to confirmed sock MaxForce.[25] They both edited the following articles: Piano Concerto No. 3 (Rachmaninoff), Boston Bruins, Bobby Orr, Curse of Billy Penn and Black Friday (shopping).

Limefrost Spiral compared to suspected/blocked sock SubcommandanteM.[26] They both edited the following articles: 1972 Stanley Cup Finals, BMW 7 Series (F01), Infiniti, Ontario Highway 401, History of Chrysler, Ice hockey at the Olympic Games, Acura RL, Honda Pilot, Hockey Hall of Fame, Detroit Red Wings and Infiniti QX70.

Limefrost Spiral compared to suspected/blocked sock Demon Hill.[27] They both edited the following articles: Acura RL, Audi S6, Serious Sam, Chris Simon, Mercedes-Benz M278 engine, 2011 Stanley Cup playoffs, Stanley Cup playoffs, Audi A7, Vezina Trophy, Gerry Cheevers and Chrysler Pacifica.

Limefrost Spiral compared to suspected/blocked sock Touranushertz.[28] They both edited the following articles: Ontario Highway 401, Phablet, Ultrabook, PenTile matrix family, Steve Ballmer, Feature phone, Infiniti, Nokia Lumia series, BMW 6 Series (F06/F12/F13), HTC One series and Ocean Tower.

This is a very unusual intersection of interests: hockey teams, championships and players; Ontario local topics; cars such as Audi, BMW and Chrysler; corporate leaders and leadership topics; warships and cruise ships; and the odd article about handheld mobile devices, buildings, classical music pieces and politicians. Hopefully without violating WP:BEANS, I want to point out that the editing style is very similar between all of the socks and Limefrost Spiral. Bare citations are added with only brackets to enclose the URL, without a title and sometimes without being placed inside ref tags. Examples of this are seen at Limefrost Spiral[29], Touranushertz[30], suspected IP 99.238.125.223 [31], Demon Hill [32], RememberCharlie [33] and GoldDragon [34]. The confluence of interests is unique and the editing style is similar in this and other ways. Binksternet (talk) 06:54, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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11 April 2014
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http://tools.wmflabs.org/intersect-contribs/index.php?project=enwiki&user1=GoldDragon&user2=Brimspark&sort=0 99.224.51.134 (talk) 13:05, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I have not abused multiple accounts and have not breached the policy on meat-puppetry. What am I suppose to do about this anon user [35] that keeps trolling me? Brimspark (talk) 21:23, 11 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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24 April 2014
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Documenting for the record. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 02:35, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Blocked, tagged as an obvious sock. Paul Erik (talk)(contribs) 02:35, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

29 April 2014
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1. The account was created two days after GoldDragon's last sock (Brimspark) was blocked. 2. Firefiend is editing the same unusual combination of articles that GoldDragon and his socks edited: military history, hockey, soccer, and Canadian politics (see [36]). Firefiend has edited Cape Fear (1991 film), which was also edited by GoldDragon's sock Brimspark. Firefiend has edited Manager (association football), which has also been edited by GoldDragon's socks MonkeyKingBar and Demon Hill. Firefiend has edited Dave Keon, which has also been edited by GoldDragon himself, by GoldDragon's sock MaxForce, and by Touranushertz, who disappeared after being accused of being a GoldDragon sock. In short, Firefiend is going to all the places frequented by GoldDragon and his many, many socks. 3. Firefiend is restoring at least some of Brimspark's edits (compare [37] and [38]). 99.224.51.134 (talk) 13:28, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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information Administrator note This is quacking pretty loudly. Even the user page (which just says "Quake enemy") matches the user page of most of GoldDragon's sockpuppets (before they were replaced by sock tags). There is more than enough behavioral evidence for me to block this editor, and I'll do so. -- Atama頭 19:46, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

01 June 2014
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Just as before, the new GoldDragon sock is editing articles about cars, engines, stadiums, athletes, hockey, computer devices, business concepts and video games.
*The editing intersection between GoldDragon and YavinEight includes a very unusual mix of articles: Arsène Wenger, Boeing 777, Diablo (video game), Don Cherry, Dunga, Emirates Stadium, F.E.A.R., Florida State Road 970, Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor, Grand Theft Auto (series), Heckler & Koch MP5, North Hollywood shootout, Ray Bourque, Roberto Carlos (footballer), SPARS code, Short-handed, Submachine gun, V12 engine, W12 engine.
*The editing intersection between confirmed sockpuppet Limefrost Spiral and YavinEight includes the same unusual mix of articles: Arsenal Stadium, Arsène Wenger, Canada's Wonderland, Emirates Stadium, F.E.A.R., Grand Theft Auto (series), North Hollywood shootout, SPARS code, Stanley Cup playoffs, Target Canada.

As in previous SPI reports, this editor has added URLs enclosed in just brackets and ref tags, without other context, such here and here. Binksternet (talk) 17:30, 1 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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I believe that I've been a good editor with no edit-warring or any other incidents, and I've never used the sockpuppets to claim multiple accounts supporting one side nor have I used them for fake votes. Is there really anything that I've done that is disruptive or harmful to warrant being banned from wikipedia? I would rather not be forced to keep doing this, but as long as you admins keep putting down the hammer... Shouldn't I have a chance? GoldDrake (talk) 15:22, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

When you were editing as GoldDragon, you abused multiple accounts at the end of 2010 and into the first month of 2011. Your one chance to work constructively at Wikipedia is to stop socking for six months and then ask for your GoldDragon account to be unblocked, per Wikipedia:Standard offer. Can you do that? Binksternet (talk) 15:38, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I would be open to editing under your supervision (or any other admin), with my original account, but six months is way too long. Those multiple accounts in 2010 were my attempt to try to avoid harassment from an anon IP address (probably still the same one as the one trollling me now, 99.224.51.134, not to claim multiple support for a version of an article, nor for fake votes. In the meantime, I'll stop editing while this dialogue is being conducted. GoldDrake (talk) 15:44, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
In fact, that anon IP 99.224.51.134 probably makes a sport of reverting my work for the slightest perceived infringement, and I think that they were using socks User:Limefrostfriend and User:Monkeygolde just make threats[39]. GoldDrake (talk) 15:52, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Using multiple accounts was not the way to solve your problem; you should have reported the harassment at WP:ANI. At any rate, if you refuse to stop editing for six months then you will continue to be prosecuted for sockpuppetry, and your edits reverted. Did I mention that you have one legitimate choice ahead of you? WP:Standard offer is the only offer there is. Binksternet (talk) 15:57, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I understand that I did wrong back in 2010-11 and I've learned the hard way. Since then I have been able to continue editing relatively trouble-free for over a year, so I shouldn't need a six month probation. Going back to that whack-a-mole doesn't do any of us any good, nor does it help the wikipedia project. It does legitimize the cause of that anon IP 99.224.51.134 and that is a bad cause GoldDrake (talk) 16:22, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Way back in 2011 when I did get banned for those socks, I should have just accepted the one week block (the admins stated taht I violated policy but they were somewhat sympathetic and gave a lesser sanction), and then I could have continued using my account as normal. My mistake was that I took the punishment too hard at the time and violated the ban to keep editing, I'm now trapped in this never-ending hell. GoldDrake (talk) 16:31, 6 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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25 September 2014
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No need for checkuser as this is an easy case. BenefactorDubsta is focusing once again on GoldDragon's usual topics of business concepts and leadership issues, and on computer devices. As was typical of GoldDragon, this sock can be found putting his bare url reference into plain brackets, without the HTML ref tag.[41] This new sock returned to some usual articles such as Macintosh[42] which was also edited many times by confirmed sock Limefrost Spiral[43] and by suspected IP 99.238.175.149[44] which is from the same Canadian metropolitan area as GoldDragon. IP 99.238.175.149 was also interested in the Apple Store[45] just like BenefactorDubsta[46] and Limefrost Spiral.[47] As well, IP 99.238.175.149 was interested in Desktop computer[48] just like BenefactorDubsta[49] and Limefrost Spiral.[50] This case was not slow to dawn on me; rather, the moment I saw BenefactorDubsta show up on some articles on my watchlist I knew it was GoldDragon returning. Binksternet (talk) 03:07, 25 September 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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  • Just wondering, has this person actually been doing anything wrong to articles? I know it's socking to evade a block, but if that block was back in 2011 and there's been no actual bad edits since then and this is (as it seems) a genuine enthusiastic editor, wouldn't it make more sense all round to just change the original block to "time served" and let him get back to work? Neatsfoot (talk) 09:45, 5 October 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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22 May 2018

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This user has been registered on Wikipedia since November 2015. Their editing pattern is very similar to Limefrost Spiral and MonkeyKingBar who were later found as sockpuppets of GoldDragon: (American sports, aviation, games consoles). Having a browse through his talk page, there are a lot of edit warnings, and an interesting reversion. What piqued my curiosity was the user's edits to 1998-99 Manchester United as it's on my watchlist. Take a look at JoshDonaldson20's edits and compare with Limefrost's edits, near identical don't you think? Even down to the poorly referenced links. Lemonade51 (talk) 10:03, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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This case is  Stale. CU declined.--Bbb23 (talk) 11:44, 22 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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