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09 December 2012
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Yesterday I blocked User:DemirBajraktarevic and Wüstenfuchs for one week each for edit-warring across multiple articles based on this report. The IP, who is static and geolocates to Bosnia and Herzegovina, today reverted three edits by Demir in three separate articles, all within the space of a couple of minutes. I've blocked the IP for one week for block evasion. Bbb23 (talk) 14:56, 9 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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4 May 2015
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Suspected sockpuppets

Wüstenfuchs was active from 31 October 2008 until 20 September 2014. The present-day User:AnulBanul (previously known as Yerevani Axjik, among other names) became active only two days later on 22 September 2014.

This user seems to hold the same anti-Bosniak views as the blocked Wüstenfuchs. Including replacing the term Bosniak with Bosnian Muslim and removing any mention of Bosniak, including categories: Wüstenfuch's edit 1, Wüstenfuchs edit 2 - AnulBanul edit 1, AnulBanul edit 2.

Wüstenfuchs created the page Bilal Bosnić on 11 September 2014. Wüstenfuchs became inactive 20 September 2014. AnulBanul became active 22 September 2014 began editing the page frequently on 6 October 2014.

All three users (Wustenfuchs, Serb1914 and AnulBanul) have several pages they have frequently edited, including, but definitely not limited to, Serb Democratic Party (Bosnia and Herzegovina). Serb1914 was blocked 17 February 2015.

This report is a work in progress, no where near complete yet.--Dragodol (talk) 08:50, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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User had disruptive editing since their arrival as AnulBanul. Croatian-WP check-user already provided information that AnulBanul is indeed sockpuppet of user Wustenfuchs (see his CentralAuth). User is expanding nationalistic and separatistic bias, based on their contributions. User added his own location map of Republika Srpska, which is entity in State of Bosnia and Herzegovina. Bosnia is small country, for which is one map more that enough. Apparently, user had some intentions to make it separate (please see: this is where I reverted map, and this is his/"her" map). There is probably more edit patterns which is by me for now impossible to see. Please also check out: [1]. --Munja-x86 (talk) 10:38, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Please check this one User:ArmenMM. Probably has connection with AnulBanul, since there is only one edit made by it! --Munja-x86 (talk) 19:03, 8 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'll do it fore you. --AnulBanul (talk) 00:21, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

This is statement made by User:Potočnik, as written on Joy's talk page:

Connections bewteen Yerevani Axjik/AnulBanul and Wustenfuchs:

  • Dragan Čović, Yerevani Axjik/AnulBanul uploaded an image of the Bosnian Croat politician and credited it to Herr Ziffer [6] Herr Ziffer was Wustenfuchs' handle at commons [7][8]
  • Hasan Brkić, article created by Wustenfuchs [16], portrait image uploaded by Yerevani Axjik/AnulBanul [17]
  • Bilal Bosnić, article created by Wustenfuchs [22], updated by Yerevani Axjik/AnulBanul [23], addition of Wikiproject Bosnia and Herzegovina by 5.133.xxx.xxx [24]
  • Jure Pelivan, article created by Wustenfuchs on the Croatian Wikipedia [46], Croat ethnicity added by Yerevani Axjik/AnulBanul on English Wikipedia [47]

Connections between Serb1914, Yerevani Axjik/AnulBanul, and Wustenfuchs:

Pretty open-and-shut to me. The irony of him of all people having started WikiProject Republika Srpska is too much to bear. :) This decietful persona which he has created is an obvious attempt to game the system, avoid scrutiny, and/or troll, all of which are explicitly forbidden under general guidelines and ARBMAC. His claim that he has "no connection to the said user whatsoever" is an outright lie [69] --Potočnik (talk) 09:27, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

--Munja-x86 (talk) 16:05, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@VanjaGenije. In my defence, regarding your endorsment of comparing Serb1914 and my account, I can say that perhaps, Serb1914 saw my edit, and just repeated it. It happens. Just saw, he added "Bosniak nationalism" before I did. --AnulBanul (talk) 23:29, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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 Clerk note: @Dragodol: First, you have not explained the connection of Serb1914 to the other two. Please, provide some evidence, preferably WP:diffs of similar edits. Second, you proved that Wüstenfuchs and AnulBanul are (probably) run by the same person, but I don't see what is WP:ILLEGIT in that situation. User is allowed to abandon one account and create other, if that is not used for illegitimate purposes. If you think there is anything illegitimate, please explain. Vanjagenije (talk) 18:40, 4 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Vanjagenije, I have given my observations here, somewhat expanding on what Potočnik had already noted. Should I copy-paste my comment or are the two investigations considered related? Surtsicna (talk) 16:53, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

  • AnulBanul and Serb1914 appear to be Red X Unrelated. The other account, not being endorsed, has not been checked.
  • This is by no means conclusive, but AnulBanul is editing from the same ISP and geographic area that the master was. ​—DoRD (talk)​ 13:36, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  •  Closed. As I already said, AnulBanul is probably the same person as Wüstenfuchs, but nothing WP:ILLEGIT was proven. No evidence against Snuns was presented here. AnulBanul is technically unrelated Serb1914, and behavioral evidence is not particularly strong. I'm closing this case with no action. Vanjagenije (talk) 17:17, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
09 May 2015
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Suspected sockpuppets

There are no any evidence. However, User:Munja-x86 is concerned that this might be my account. -- AnulBanul (talk) 00:41, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Of course user is sockpuppeting. I added User:Snuns based on their contribs. Same summary in edits also. --Munja-x86 (talk) 14:06, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Fishy" is one way to put it. The evidence presented by Potočnik seems damning enough, but the correspondence with AnulBanul/Yerevani Axjik on my talk page might be of some relevance as well.[73][74] While I had suspected for quite a while that AnulBanul/Yerevani Axjik might be pushing some kind of an agenda (the loaded word I normally strive to avoid), there were things that struck me as purely bizarre. For example, claiming that (s)he was not aware that (s)he had made this edit. That's not a punctation mark gone missing but a complete rewording of a sentence along with removal of a reference - which, apparently, can be done unknowingly. A case of multiple personality or of multiple accounts? Or simply an X-file?
Anyway, Potočnik noted that a Bosnian IP from Mostar edited an article on en.wikipedia to add an image which had been uploaded by AnulBanul/Yerevani Axjik 3 days earlier; AnulBanul/Yerevani Axjik and the same Mostar IP then created the same article on en.wikipedia and hr.wikipedia respectively. Curiously, the supposedly Armenian-born almuna of the University of Belgrade no longer lives in Serbia,[75] but does "visit Mostar very often".[76]
Also of note are the unmistakably similar views on the "statehood" of the entities of Bosnia and Herzegovina promoted as facts by AnulBanul/Yerevani Axjik on en.wikipedia[77][78][79][80][81] and by Wüstenfuchs on hr.wikipedia.[82]
This is not to say that AnulBanul/Yerevani Axjik takes no interest in Armenian politics, however; both (s)he and Wüstenfuchs[83] have edited articles about Nagorno-Karabakh. Finally, the last few edits by Wüstenfuchs were made on 20 September 2014, concerning the article about the Bosnian jihadist Bilal Bosnić; AnulBanul/Yerevani Axjik made her (his?) first few edits two days later, in an article about the military intervention against ISIL. AnulBanul/Yerevani Axjik first edited the article about Bilal Bosnić 16 days after Wüstenfuchs's last contributions, and continued to be very much involved in the article. Surtsicna (talk) 16:45, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • There's definitely some sockpuppetry going on here. I think a checkuser might help shed some light on the situation (although I believe the Wüstenfuchs account would be stale). Most telling is that the AnulBanul account started editing - precociously - immediately after Wüstenfuchs stopped. ArmenMM would be the most useless sockpuppet ever, as the account hasn't actually done anything, although the timestamp of their sole edit fits nearly into AnulBanul's editing patterns. bobrayner (talk) 21:18, 11 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I have nothing to do with suspected sockpuppets. That's what I have to say in my defence. --AnulBanul (talk) 15:22, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It should be noted, however, that Wüstenfuchs is not on this list of suspected sockpuppets. Intentionally or not, your refutal thus does not encompass that account. For what it's worth, AnulBanul has been blocked indefinitely on Croatian Wikipedia on the account of being a sockpuppet of Wüstenfuchs. Surtsicna (talk) 17:08, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
He's not in the scope of this investigation, therefore such phrasing. --AnulBanul (talk) 17:24, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • The most obvious connection is to Wüstenfuchs; perhaps this SPI could be tied to that account as the sockmaster, but first things first - we need to deal with the problem rather than restart this SPI on a different page to make the paperwork look slightly neater. bobrayner (talk) 21:56, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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 Clerk note: @Munja-x86, Bobrayner, and Surtsicna: You have to understand that WP:SOCKPUPPETRY means using multiple accounts for illegitimate purposes (on English Wikipedia). You made a detailed discussion here proving that AnulBanul is the same person as Wüstenfuchs. I agree that they are probably one at the same, but that is not sockpuppetry because nothing illegitimate was done (at least you did not explain). User is allowed to abandon one account and make a clean start with another (unless he is blocked/banned, which is not the case with Wüstenfuchs). ArmenMM made just one edit, on the talk page. Even if he is the same person as AnulBanul, there is nothing illegitimate there neither. I personally checked editing interaction between Snuns and AnulBanul ([84]) and found just two common articles. None of the edits to those articles are even similar. Is there something I'm missing here? Vanjagenije (talk) 22:04, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, the relation between the AnulBanul and Wüstenfuchs accounts cannot be said to constitute sockpuppetry. I wanted to agree with Joy's description of the situation as "fishy". While I am not sure whether a user can be "officially" reprimanded for it, the ultimate goal of deliberate misrepresentation of oneself (i.e. the invention of an entire persona) can hardly be anything other than sinister. Surtsicna (talk) 22:22, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
"Deliberate misrepresentation of oneself"? We met before? --AnulBanul (talk) 23:11, 14 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, we have had sporadic interactions before your reincarnation as an Armenian woman. Surtsicna (talk) 00:10, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And prior to that I was...? --AnulBanul (talk) 00:28, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
... not an Armenian woman. Surtsicna (talk) 10:25, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Vanjagenije: Adding Republika Srpska map instead of Bosnia and Herzegovina one is disruptive editing. So, user is sockpuppeting. --Munja-x86 (talk) 11:42, 15 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I understand. User was reported by me on WP:ANI, nothing happened. --Munja-x86 (talk) 21:31, 17 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just to say this in my defence about this case, once and for all, I have tried to make a compromise with you, and your answer was "do what ever you want", or similar. This is not the way in which we can discuss, especially after I have made a very reasonable suggestion. --AnulBanul (talk) 03:11, 18 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]
06 July 2015
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Suspected sockpuppets

Background information:

Background information

AnulBanul (talk · contribs) is an account that demonstrably belongs to user Wüstenfuchs (talk · contribs) a fact that runs counter to his blatant lie that he has "no connection to the said user whatsoever". [85] The user, in spite of his "Armenian who lived in Serbia" persona [86], has never once edited the Armenian Wikipedia (hy.wikipedia.org) or Serbian Wikipedia (sr.wikipedia.org). [87] Note that Wüstenfuchs joined WikiProject Armenia [88] and that later AnulBanul joined WikiProject Armenia as editing from Georgia [89] then Russia [90]. He then began building his persona changing his intitial name from Anulmanul to Anna Sahakyan [91], then Anushka [92], then Yerevani Axjik [93], and then to his current name AnulBanul. He then uploaded a selfie image [94] to presumably impersonate a person named Anna Sahakyan from Yerevan that he took off a Facebook profile or VK (Russian social networking website). He proceeded to use that image on his userpage and refer to himself as "Anna" [95] and created a backstory for the said individual. Numerous FB and VK profiles exist under that name, but I won't link any for their privacy.

Note that AnulBanul instead edits the Croatian Wikipedia which when he does concerns right-wing and far-right Croatian politicians and parties. [96] which is quite odd when the user labels himself a liberal from the University of Belgrade. [97] Indeed it's hard to believe it's anyone other than him when he does such obscure and specific edits such as [98][99] (among the litany of other identical ones shown below). Note that the Wüstenfuchs account became inactive on 20 September 2014, [100] two days later the AnulBanul account became active on 22 September 2014. [101] The last edit of Wüstenfuchs (Bilal Bosnić, ISIL recruiter) and first edit of AnulBanul (Military intervention against ISIL) are both related to Islamic extremism. Further note that Wüstenfuchs' Mostar IP was blocked for block evading in order to edit war. [102] That same IP (93.180.104.124 (talk · contribs)) edited three articles, all of which were created by Wüstenfuchs and all of which were later edited by AnulBanul/Wüstenfuchs with the same POV: Avdo Humo (IP: [103], AnulBanul: [104]), Hasan Brkić (IP: [105], Wüstenfuchs [106]), and Osman Karabegović (IP: [107], Wüstenfuchs: [108])

On 26 May AnulBanul was topic banned from anything related to Bosnia and Herzegovina for 3 months [109] Immediately the day after he proceeded to vandalize a Bosnia and Herzegovina related userbox in order to troll. [110] A week later he violated his topic ban via IPs 185.38.146.201 (talk · contribs) and 93.180.126.249 (talk · contribs) both Mostar IPs. Both have the same exact lines and POV on obscure articles with one of them being pushed against Dragodol, his edit warring buddy that was also topic banned, in the Nijaz Duraković article [111][112] and in the Jovan Divjak article the same exact line of unsourced nonsense that he was a "show general". [113][114] Note that the 93.180.126.249 Mostar IP's contributions on the Croatian Wikipedia. He picks up where Wustenfuchs and AnulBanul left off on the Croatian Party of Rights of Bosnia and Herzegovina article [115] and on the Croatian Democratic Union 1990 article [116] where his Herr Ziffer (blocked) and Wustenfuchs accounts formerly edited and on the Croatian Party of Rights (Bosnia and Herzegovina) [117] article where Wustenfuchs formerly edited. Another IP (blocked) that edited all those same articles in the same manner also created the Nijaz Duraković article on the Croatian Wikipedia. [118] He later admitted that those were indeed his IPs [119] however those were not the only topic ban evading IPs. Other discovered evading IPs that AnulBanul did not disclose include 85.94.128.192 (talk · contribs), 46.35.153.151 (talk · contribs), and 46.35.131.167 (talk · contribs) and there are more than likely many others out there. The story does not stop with using IPs to just topic ban evade as he has also used them to vandalize, commit BLP violations, edit war and circumvent 3RR, etc and the AnulBanul account is not the only sockpuppet he has and has used the K. Solin (talk · contribs) and RossaLuxx (talk · contribs) accounts to split his edits, evade scrutiny, and have sleeper accounts. There may be many more such accounts out there.

Evidence that ties the accounts together:

AnulBanul
  • Wüstenfuchs joined WikiProject Armenia [124], later AnulBanul joined the WP as editing from Georgia [125] then Russia [126]
  • Dragan Čović, AnulBanul uploaded an image of the Bosnian Croat politician and credited it to Herr Ziffer [127] Herr Ziffer was Wustenfuchs' sockpuppet handle at commons [128][129]
  • Bilal Bosnić, article created by Wustenfuchs [142], updated by AnulBanul [143], addition of Wikiproject Bosnia and Herzegovina by 5.133.xxx.xxx [144]
  • Jure Pelivan, article created by Wustenfuchs on the Croatian Wikipedia [166], Croat ethnicity added by AnulBanul on English Wikipedia [167]
K. Solin
  • Željko Komšić:
    • addition of "illegitimate representative" content and reference stuffed by Wüstenfuchs [175][176][177][178], sources replaced (note sfn template) by K. Solin [179]
    • removal of information relating to Georgetown University degree by K. Solin [180], removal of information relating to Georgetown University degree by Mostar IP [181], removal of information relating to Georgetown University degree by AnulBanul [182]
  • Commons: Both at the University of Mostar specifically the Faculty of Philosophy/Humanities. Use identical name format using (1), (2), (3), etc. Use identical licensing and summary.
    • AnulBanul uploaded images of a speaker at the Faculty of Philosophy, University of Mostar [196][197][198][199][200][201]
    • AnulBanul uploaded images of the exterior of the Faculty of Philosophy, University of Mostar [202][203][204][205][206]
    • K. Solin uploaded images of a speaker at the Faculty of Philosophy, University of Mostar [207][208][209]
    • K. Solin updated logo of Faculty of Law, University of Mostar intially uploaded by Herr Ziffer [210]
RossaLuxx
  • First edit ever edit on Croatian Wikipedia was creating a sophisticated userpage with a gradient and image. Note the code in RossaLuxx's page <div style="background-color:{{prijelazna boja|top|#000000, #CC0000}};"> [[Datoteka: and compare to AnulBanul's page <div style="background-color:{{linear-gradient|top|#fdffe7, #FFFFFF}};">[[File:
  • Added category to AnulBanul's File:Croatia 2014 map results.PNG upload [211], then uploaded File:Croatia 2015 map results runoff.PNG in same style of original, same summary, and same license [212]
  • Mostar IP added AnulBanul's File:Croatia 2014 map results.PNG upload [213], 13 days later RossaLuxx added File:Croatia 2015 map results runoff.PNG using near identical description [214]
Herr Ziffer
  • Žitomislić: Herr Ziffer blaming destruction of a church on different army, [215], AnulBanul blaming destruction of same church on same army [216], later he claimed that he "wasn't aware" that he made the edit [217]
  • Bitka za Karvačar: Herr Ziffer uploaded File:Bitka za Karvačar.jpg map on commons [218], the map was added to the article by Wüstenfuchs [219], article edited by K. Solin [220] (note there are only 4 editors who have ever edited the page [221])

As shown above the user shows a propensity to evade scrutiny throughout Wikis by constant logged out IP hopping, fragmenting edit history among new accounts, and making sleeper accounts. In addition to this he has also:

Additional Wiki and Commons evidence

Note almost all of his discovered accounts have been indef blocked on various Wikis for tendentious editing and sockpuppetry:

His Wustefuchs [254] and Wustenfuchs [255] accounts were both blocked on commons "unfree files after warnings" and abuse of multiple accounts. [256][257] Despite this he has evaded his block via sockpuppets and continued to purposefully upload copyrighted material under false CC licenses with his Herr Ziffer, AnulBanul, and K: Solin handles as the authors.

  • Uploading as AnulBanul an image crop of a file uploaded by Herr Ziffer which was removed for copyright violation [258]
  • Uploading as K. Solin an image crop of a file uploaded by AnulBanul which was removed for copyright violation [259]
  • Uploading an image [260] taken from [261] while claiming he made it and falsifying the license
  • Uploading an image [262] taken from [263] while claiming he made it and falsifying the license
  • Uploading several other copyright infringing images as sockpuppets Herr Ziffer [264] and AnulBanul [265]

Summary:

In summary his activity on Wikipedia involves:

  1. The absolute denial of any connection to his sockpuppet AnulBanul account and creation and non-disclosure of any other sockpuppet and sleeper accounts (K. Solin, RosaLuxx, etc)
  2. The impersonation of an Armenian female individual named Anna Sahakyan from Yerevan to appear more neutral, completely unrelated to past edits/accounts, and assume her identity (even going so far as to upload her selfie image) in order to deceive other users
  3. The constant splitting of his past edit history through new accounts and IP hopping to game the system, sockpuppeteer, deceive users, vandalize, commit BLP violations, circumvent 3RR, and avoid scrutiny
  4. The forging of a clean slate that is without previous ARBMAC warnings and blocks to appear in good standing and receive more leeway around admins
  5. The willingness to repeatedly avoid blocks and topic bans if he was sure he wouldn't be caught

First he claimed he had "no connection whatsoever" to the Wüstenfuchs account and that it wasn't his, [266] then claimed all accounts but the Wüstenfuchs account weren't his, [267] and then claimed all but the Wüstenfuchs and K. Solin accounts weren't his. [268] Note he's deleted his AnulBanul userpage likely to make evidentiary diffs of his user page null and to make the RossaLuxx claim unverifiable. Potočnik (talk) 04:25, 6 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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  •  Clerk note: As I understand, AnulBanul admits using those accounts (here). She claims that she has "not once edited with any of those accounts at the English Wikipedia, except Wustenfuchs". That clearly not true. Herr Ziffer made several edits is 2014, as did K. Solin and RossaLuxx. AnulBanul explicitly admits using the K. Solin account here. Also, AnulBanul was blocked for 10 days on 17 June, after she admitted using two IPs to avoid her topic ban (see here). One of those two IPs is also mentioned in this case (93.180.126.249). According to the evidence presented above, the 46.35.158.223 IP also belongs to her. I see no evidence for other IPs, but it's not so important anyway. So, in short, there is not much to investigate here. User admits using those accounts and (some of) those IPs. The question is whether this behavior represents sockpuppetry and, if it does, what kind of action is needed to stop the abuse. I'd say that this kind of behavior is disruptive: user created several accounts to edit same topics and push same POV, which is WP:ILLEGIT. But, there is no fresh sockpuppetry here. All those accounts except AnulBanul have not been active since December. And, all those IPs have been inactive since AnulBanul was blocked for logged-out editing.
I propose next solution:
  1. AnulBanul should clearly mark all her alternative accounts with the {{User alternative account}} tag. And, not just those accounts mentioned here, but also any other account she created that is not mentioned in this case. If any account is discovered that belongs to her and is not tagged this way, AnulBanul should be blocked indefinitely.
  2. AnulBanul should immediately stop using any other accounts or IPs. If she makes any logged-out edit or uses any other account any time in the future, she should be blocked indefinitely. Vanjagenije (talk) 10:17, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Whether it's "fresh" is absolutely and utterly irrelevant. You don't get a pass on these kind of multiple and simultaneous serious offenses just because someone didn't notice it at the time and didn't bother to put in the leg work writing it all up. One can only imagine what other sleeper accounts and other IPs there are. It's been demonstrated he has a propensity for this sneaky and deceptive behavior and has falfely impersonated an Armenian female and stolen some stranger's selfie all in an attempt to sockpuppet as effectively as possible. You don't award clever misconduct. He has already used all these accounts to evade the indefinite block that he recieved on the Croatian and Bosnian Wikipedias and it would be delusional to believe he won't continue this type of conduct given his propensity, effort, and willingness. He's already lied multiple times about the accounts not being his and I see no reason to trust a word he has to say.
The IP misconduct is as important as the rest and here is the evidence for the IPs:
Of course the IPs are "inactive" since they are dynamic IPs from some local cafe bars. He also used other discovered evading IPs that AnulBanul did not disclose: 85.94.128.192 (talk · contribs), 46.35.153.151 (talk · contribs), and 46.35.131.167 (talk · contribs).--Potočnik (talk) 13:49, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Potočnik: Excuse me, but it is relevant. In Wikipedia, blocks are used to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, not to punish users (see: WP:NOPUNISH). We don't block users for damage made months or years ago. What exactly do you think should be done here? Vanjagenije (talk) 15:27, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Except it's not just from a "months or years ago", but a continuing persistent pattern (for which he last got reprimanded on 17 June) which you choose to ignore and label "not so important". Every reason for WP:BLOCKPREVENTATIVE applies here. I assumed good faith the first time you claimed there was nothing "WP:ILLEGIT" going on in the first SPI despite my contentions that he obviously attempted to avoid WP:SCRUTINY and WP:GAMETHESYSTEM that you did not bother to address. I suggest you remove yourself from the case as possible COI sympathies exist between you and AnulBanul on account of you joining the Wikiproject Republika Srpska that he created. [285][286] I suggest you let a checkuser individual do their job per the overwhelming evidence provided for both the accounts and IPs. I suggest you let the SPI quickly wrap up and let the complex matter be taken to ARB and decided there per the numerous suggestions at ANI. [287] --Potočnik (talk) 16:50, 8 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • I see that Vanjagenije has placed this investigation "on hold", but as far as I can see has not said why. Are you waiting for some development or some sort of further evidence? If so, perhaps it would be helpful to state here what that is. If not, would it not be better to take the case off hold, so that it can be dealt with? The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 11:27, 25 July 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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