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Media Owner, op-ed on own publication

Hi,

I haven't begun writing the article yet, so I apologize that I can't give you a URL/page. I am doing research into a British media proprietor and have noticed that he's published an opinion piece in a publication he's the owner of. I'm worried that if I add that as a citation, it will be shot down. Is this ok or not? --Choicom (talk) 17:01, 5 May 2020 (UTC)--Choicom (talk) 16:58, 5 May 2020 (UTC) Choicom (talk) 16:58, 5 May 2020 (UTC) Choicom (talk) 17:01, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Choicom. Thanks for asking your question! In general, we do not really consider opinion pieces to be reliable, but we do allow reliable, secondary sources such as those found on JSTOR or on news websites. Can you paste the exact link here and we can try to evaluate the reliability? :D Aasim 17:07, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Choicom: Welcome to the Teahouse. Have other sources talked about this opinion piece he published? Is the piece about himself, or someone else? Has someone responded to it? I'm not sure in what way it is relevant to the subject you are trying to write about. I agree with Awesome Aasim, it's a little hard to judge without reading the piece first hand. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:08, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
(ec) Hello Choicom! Without more details, I think you're probably right, possibly it could have some WP:ABOUTSELF use, but you can't use it to argue WP:GNG. Also, your username seems to be the name of a company, and that's not allowed (many make that mistake). See WP:ISU. Something like "Kim from Choicom" is ok. Either WP:RENAME or just abandon this account and make a new one. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:17, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
My name is a company! I wasn't aware of that, my last name is Choi (Chinese/Korean ancestry) and Com because that's my mother's maiden name. Apologies for that. --Choicom (talk) 18:30, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Ah. Then I don't think there's a problem. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:09, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
In response to everything earlier, I am thinking of doing an area on his political beliefs (which he has made very clear on several occasions on media outlets including the NY Times, Wall Street Journal and The Guardian), as this is very much related to his editorial control of his media empire (which mostly publishes politics and global affairs publications) Hopefully this helps. EDIT:: It's just that for one of his political stances, he has chosen to do a editorial piece on one of the publications he owns --Choicom (talk) 19:13, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Can I take this as ok then?--Choicom (talk) 20:43, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

I'd say that it sounds like we can use the source to say that "He has described his political views as X", but not "His political views are X". The latter would require independent sources. Does that makes sense, Choicom? Cordless Larry (talk) 20:53, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Yes, it does, thank you Cordless Larry --Choicom (talk) 20:57, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia servers slow? (lagging)?

Wikipedia servers slow? (lagging)?

hi. Are wiki servers experiencing overall too much demand due to the pandemic?. Whenever i try to edit like very large pages its very unresponsive and sometimes lags when i type. There is no problem with my computers ram or other. Rahbab Chowdhury (talk) 11:06, 2 May 2020 (UTC)

@MRC2RULES:, to the best of my knowledge, there weren't any technical issues in the last few days. While the pandemic has caused a bump in readership, we've had more before, and it hasn't increased the editing load, so I don't believe that's the issue. There were some technical issues a week or so ago. Major drags (even if the site ultimately loaded) would normally cause a bump in reports at places like down detector, which doesn't show anything in the last 24hrs. Are you saying it's slow, or it's slower than it was before C19? Nosebagbear (talk) 10:39, 3 May 2020 (UTC)
slower than before

Rahbab Chowdhury (talk) 11:08, 3 May 2020 (UTC)

I believe the lag is in the internet itself, not with Wikipedia servers. And in the US anyway, it's magnitudes worse if you access the net via cell towers. In the area I live in, new subscribers have a two week wait for a land line ISP, and stores have neither laptops or tablets. For kids thrust suddenly into homeschooling, sometimes the only available access is via cellphone. John from Idegon (talk) 21:02, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Making an article into a good article

Hello everyone. I'd say I've been here for a bit and I'm pretty skilled at editing but one thing I've never quite gotten how to do is how to turn an article into a good article. I've read the pages about it such as WP:GA? but a full comprehension of what needs to be done really still eludes me. I wasn't sure where to ask but if someone could explain the idea to me that would be great. Thanks. Cogaidh (talk) 16:50, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Cogaidh The article you mention provides exactly the advice on how to create a good article. You might also find The Perfect Article helpful. Just try to cover all the areas mentioned as well as you can and if you think it's ready for GA, follow the instructions at WP:GAI. If you have a question on how to fulfill one of the specific areas, feel free to ask. Hillelfrei talk 17:29, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Good start for Good article would be to find a B-class article on a topic you are familiar with. Do everything you can to improve it. Including checking each reference to see if works and supports the factual statements in the article. Search for factual statements that are not referenced. Reference. Nominate. In time a reviewer will start the process by writing everything that is still wrong with the article. Fix everything, until the reviewer is happy. David notMD (talk) 21:24, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

3RR clarification

Just to be clear, It is not a 3RR violation if I'm editing subtle vandalism, Or if I do 3 edits in a row regarding different content in the same section, correct? Darwulf (talk) 20:40, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Darwulf Removing obvious vandalism does not count as violating 3RR. See WP:3RRNO for more information on this. I'm not sure what you mean by 'subtle' vandalism, but if any reasonable person would agree that an edit is vandalism, there is no problem. 331dot (talk) 20:42, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
I can link to the page in question publicly, but the original set of 3 edits by me was done without an account, so my IP is exposed. The lines I removed appeared to be satire and nonsense though, so I think it was obvious if you read it, but not if you skimmed it. IDK how to use the PM/DM system (if there is any) here but I can link you to the page in question if you want so we are on the same page. Darwulf (talk) 20:51, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Darwulf There have been times when at first glance I thought an edit was nonsense but after saw that it really had something to do with the article in question. So as long as it is actual nonsense, it's fine to revert. As for "different content in the same section" sounds like you are removing it, not reverting it. But if you mean reverting multiple previous unconstructive edits, it's generally considered one revert (or a rollback). Hillelfrei talk 20:57, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Ehhh, I don't think linking would hurt really and would get a clearer picture of what happened, ill just censor the link after. Check history on Second American Civil War Darwulf (talk) 21:03, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Link will remain to provide context for readers, Thanks for hiding IP <3
Darwulf I'm assuming you're the deleted IP from a few hours ago. You did not revert, or undo any edits. You removed content that had been added in the past. The 3RR only applies when you undo an edit someone else makes, the intention being to stop an edit war. If the edit is lost in the edit history and you simply notice the silly content in the article and remove in in three different edits, your edits are justified. An sufficient explanation in the edit summary is required when removing content, and you did a good job of that. Feel free to ask if you have other questions. Hillelfrei talk 21:25, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Hillelfrei Yup, that would be me. And thanks, I try to be clear about things. Semi-related question regarding edit etiquette, Is it considered better to have smaller "itemized" edits, like I did, Or should those have been condensed into one edit? Darwulf (talk) 21:54, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Darwulf I never thought about that, I kinda just edit as I go along whether it takes one edit or multiple and leave edit summaries as required. It's a great question. Can you post that as a new question so someone else will answer? (because people might not read this chain as it looks answered) Hillelfrei talk 22:21, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

ilmafarah soyan

SPAM
Not what Wikipedia's for. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:27, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Ilmafarah soyan (talk) 22:19, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[1] ilmafarahsoyan is aname of a company

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The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Is it considered better to have smaller "itemized" edits, or condense edits?

When I edit, I tend to itemize my edits into small related sections. Is this proper, or should edits be condensed? Darwulf (talk) 22:33, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@Darwulf: Welcome to Wikipedia. You are doing it a good way. It is good practice to make several small edits instead of one big one. It makes it easier to see what changed and if someone objects to one of the changes then only that one can be undone instead of the whole big thing. RudolfRed (talk) 22:59, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

New Article

Hey guys how do you make a new page? I am trying to make one for Jim Meck. Ya, he is my dad Marinated Potato (talk) 00:37, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Marinated Potato: I suggest going through WP:YFA to be guided in making your first article. However, if you do intend on going forward with it, you must disclose that you have a conflict of interest with the subject. What that means is that you are strongly discouraged from directly editing the article and should make changes via edit requests. Directly editing may result in you being reverted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:42, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
@Marinated Potato: See WP:COI for more info on the previous response. Hillelfrei• talk • 00:51, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
@Marinated Potato: What is your dad notable for? Have you changed your mind about Wikipedia since your May 1st comment? 331dot (talk) 01:19, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Marinated Potato;: He is a live entertainer on piano and is hosting Facebook live shows and has made it on the news three times — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.193.28.135 (talk) 17:14, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Then you should review the definition of a notable musician to see if your dad meets the criteria. 331dot (talk) 17:17, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Marinated Potato: He meets it, so how do I make the page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.193.28.135 (talk) 17:49, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

@Marinated Potato: If you believe that he meets notability standards, I suggest reading up on WP:YFA and using the article creation wizard mentioned there. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:49, 5 May 2020 (UTC) Gsy65reegfjsh4;:how do I make a article about coryxkenshin (he is a gamer)

Suggestions for improvement

Hi, Two of my articles were rejected, and I have addressed the issues mentioned by the reviewer. I have resubmitted the articles and would appreciate help from a senior editor for improving these so that they are not rejected again. 1. Draft:British Nuclear Medicine Society 2. Draft:PET for Bone Imaging Thanks Earthianyogi (talk) 22:51, 5 May 2020 (UTC) Earthianyogi (talk) 22:51, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Earthianyogi, I had a look at the BNMS article. I removed the material that related to the future conference per WP:CRYSTAL, and the material about membership and so on. One thing to keep in mind is that Wikipedia is not here to publish operational details about an organization: those belong on the organization's web site. We take amuch longer view and talk about the history of an organization as well as its accomplishments. The article is in need of reliable independent sources. I doubt the BNMS article will be published unless you can find and add more of those. As the original reviewer said, "This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article", which is true unless you can find more sources.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 23:01, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
  • @Earthianyogi:It's important to understand the differences between a primary and secondary source. With Draft:British Nuclear Medicine Society, you've supplied two references. One is to the organization's website, which is clearly a primary source, and the other is to a book which is edited by one of its founders and apparently one of its past presidents. This is a primary source as well. User:KylieTastic rejected the draft for lack of independent reliable sources supporting notability, and rightfully so. The article is still missing such sources. Consider; if we accepted it as notable using just the primary sources, we would be saying the organization is notable and worthy of an article because the organization says they are notable. I'm sure you can see the problem there. With Draft:PET for Bone Imaging, a very cursory review seems to show it is well sourced. It has yet to be rejected, and is currently submitted for consideration. You should know there is this section of an article; Bone_scintigraphy#PET_bone_imaging. If this article becomes live, that section should probably be modified to indicate there is a main article for the subject. --Hammersoft (talk) 23:11, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hammersoft: and @ThatMontrealIP:. Thanks for your feedback. Your points are well taken. I have added a few more secondary sources to the BNMS article. However, please note that this is not my organization or I do not work here. This is just my way of learning something new, and in this case, by creating successful articles on Wikipedia. Thanks again. Earthianyogi (talk) 00:13, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Proper (minimal) Formatting for a See Also Section

Hello, I am trying to add a See Also section to an article. I am having trouble figuring out the formatting. I am getting a redundant See Also next to the entry, when it is already in a See Also section. What is a general help article on Wikipedia that gives examples of proper formatting?

I also am not sure how I should be formatting an external reference. The article these questions are regarding is "Colundi". Also, how what is the format for linking to another article? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jaisgossman (talk • contribs) 00:31, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Jaisgossman and welcome to the Teahouse. For a "See also" section, jsut give a bulleted list of article links. For example, one line might be typed as * [[Microtones]] which would render as:
That also shows you the format for an article link, The template {{see also}} is for use in hat note3s at the top of an article, not for a See Also section. Help:Cheatsheet gives many useful examples of formatting. Referencing for beginners describes how to do reference citations in detail. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 01:06, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Change in fonts for displaying differences from Watchlist

In the last two days I noticed that when I display differences for Watchlist items the changes are shown in a different font from what appeared before May 4. Is an option available for changing back to the previous font? Eddie Blick (talk) 01:10, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Eddie Blick. See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Thursday font change. Adding the below code in your CSS is suggested. PrimeHunter (talk) 02:25, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
.diff-editfont-monospace .diff-addedline,
.diff-editfont-monospace .diff-deletedline,
.diff-editfont-monospace .diff-context {
  font-family: sans-serif;
  font-size: 88%;
}
Thanks, PrimeHunter! I appreciate your help. Eddie Blick (talk) 02:29, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

user page of a new wikipedian

Hello, I am a new comer to wikipedia or a new wikipedian. I am so glad to be a member in wikipedia family. my concern is how to make my own user page and let it reflecting in search engines such as google, Bing and so on.

Thanks all and nice time, Wael Wael M. Badawy (talk) 19:46, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia. You should not try to write an article about yourself. See WP:AUTO. Work on other areas of the encyclopedia instead. RudolfRed (talk) 19:50, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
User pages are not indexed by search engines. The purpose of user pages can be seen at WP:User pages, so you need to remove the current content which looks like a fake article. If you don't remove that content tje page is liable to speedy deletion under criterion WP:U5. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:50, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
David Biddulph I do not think that User:Wael M. Badawy fits the criteria for being a WP:FAKEARTICLE, and if it were tagged for speedy deletion uinder U5 , I would decline the deletion. It is true that a bit more about the user's Wikipedia goals and activities would be useful, but WP:UP specifically permits Limited autobiographical content although a user page should not be a simple CV or resume. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 20:25, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
I agree with David B. This looks, smells, tastes, sounds like a fake article, right down to a Table of Contents and a professional-looking photo. Most of the content should be removed. David notMD (talk) 21:33, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
@Wael M. Badawy: As others have told you, user pages are not indexed on search engines. While there's not much information to go on, it does not appear you are interested in building an encyclopedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:16, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your answers and reactions. Highly appreciate your comments and recommendations. I just asked for help not to listen to such big words Fake articles, smells, tastes, and so on. Excuse my ignorance of the nature of Wikipedia. I tried to read but it is impossible to get all at once. I have a lot to report about (articles) and serious to have a contribution but how to do with minimal biographical content. Furthermore, I submitted to remove the article you spoke about but it still shines. Thanks for your patience! Wael Wael M. Badawy (talk) 02:46, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

How can I get editing authority on the Pocahontas article?

How can I get editing authority on the Pocahontas article? There is some imprecise writing, such as the Wayne Newton claim to being a descendant of Pocahontas through her "son". The son that this claim refers to is not the documented son, Thomas Rolfe, but a separate oral tradition son whose existence is contested. The footnote (6) for this clause is linked to a source that does not even mention Wayne Newton. (For the record, the reference to Glenn Strange is not mentioned in this source either, but at least the "son" being referred to in his case is the same as the one in the source.) Texasstorm (talk) 02:47, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Texasstorm and welcome to the teahouse. Thank you for noticing the inaccuracy. You can press "view source" on the top right and on the screen that comes up, use the "Submit an edit request" link at the bottom right to make an edit request which will be reviewed by an experienced editor. Hillelfrei talk 03:01, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Extended confirmed status question

Hello everyone, do edits using gadgets like Twinkle count towards the 500 edits required for extended confirmed status, or must all 500 edits be main space edits? Thanks. ExemplaryScholar (talk) 00:09, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

ExemplaryScholar Semi-automatic edits such as those are included. Hillelfrei talk 00:33, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
@ExemplaryScholar: Your concern with reaching extended confirmed status is, well, concerning. These type of things are not to be aspired to, but instead are just supposed to happen as you gain legitimate experience. We have seen, over and over again, those who come here with the idea of racking up privileges and awards, burn out quickly (or have corrupt intent to begin with). If your intentions are honorable, please keep this in mind. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 02:18, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
AlanM1 Although gaining permissions is not my main goal, I want to eventually have a broader reach within the community by editing more popular and trending topics yet still want to do this by doing something I enjoy and have already spent hours on: stopping vandalism. I will keep what you said in mind though, thanks. ExemplaryScholar (talk) 03:14, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Suspicious barnstars

I recently got 2 barnstars from the user YahooYahoofefefe. However, they were very suspicious. One of them just said "yo", and the other one said "yO BRo can you tell me how you find out about the Gold Certifccation of Blow my Mind Davido pls ? im checking their website it's not showing certificatiosn". This looks suspicious, and a search for "Gold Certification of Blow my Mind Davido" gave no useful results. The username also looks suspicious. Do I need to do anything about this? CrazyBoy826 (talk) 03:22, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi @CrazyBoy826:! Welcome to the TeaHouse! I will take a look and take all of the appropriate actions for you. Thank you for bringing this to our attention! GalendaliaChat Me Up 03:29, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
@CrazyBoy826: hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Seeing as that user has no other contributions, it strikes me that someone has decided to yank your chain a bit, for unknown reasons. Sorry about that. I would just delete them. If it reoccurs it can be looked into further.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:33, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
I have reverted the changes for you and submitted a report to verify it is not a sockpuppet. GalendaliaChat Me Up 03:35, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

not sure if the activity is, but seems like it is, a conflict of interest

I don't have much experience with WP:COI, but think I found one at Andreas Luiskandl. Thus far only 4 editors have made changes to this pretty new article, but there's one that has made 130 edits to the page. The users name is Cioprofileedit (talk · contribs) which if spaced out is "COI Profile Edit" and the page is for a career CIO. I know there's a template for COI I could put on the person's talk page, but before I do I'd like to get some feedback/guidance whether this really should seem strange to me. Thx. ToeFungii (talk) 02:18, 6 May 2020 (UTC) ToeFungii (talk) 02:18, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi @ToeFungii:! Welcome to the Teahouse. - I looked at the article and the user and I see where your concern lies. I feel the same. I actually noticed quite a few things and posted them on the page as well. If you would like to take a look, you can edit or delete (as can anyone else) what I put in the banner. Thanks GalendaliaChat Me Up 04:06, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
I went ahead and put what I think is the softest coi notice. I suppose there may be no coi, but the fact that they've only edited this single article with their username seems to make it likely there is some relationship. Then again, they may have just started with this one article; then again if they edit all cio articles their name would still potentially indicate an issue. I don't know. But thanks Galendalia for at least making me think I'm not crazy and for the edits you did on the page. ToeFungii (talk) 04:20, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
No worries! I always got your back! TTYL GalendaliaChat Me Up 04:30, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Who is the God of Israel and how was he seen ?

In the book of Exodus, 24th chapter, 10th and 11th verse, it states that "they saw God, seventy four people not including the nobles in the eleventh verse, how do you explain this to someone when St.John 1 and 18 state that no one has seen God at anytime. 2600:1700:BE80:CE0:F8CF:3089:FDA0:6539 (talk) 04:30, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP and welcome to the Teahouse. The Teahouse is for questions related to Wikipedia editing. You could try asking your question at the reference desk.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:37, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

neutral text for wikipedia page

 Courtesy link: Draft:Ross Petty (pediatrician)

Hello! My article has been rejected as the reviewer said I added too many adjectives. Is there a list of approved phrases to describe a scientist with remarkable achievements? I have found some wiki pages using the same phrases I used, how come my article keeps getting rejected?.

Thanks! LJimenez2004 (talk) 20:19, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

LJimenez2004 You can find a list of words to watch here. Hillelfrei talk 20:26, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
LJimenez2004 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, it is a poor argument to cite other articles or article content as a reason for yours to exist. As this is a volunteer project where people do what they can when they can, and can only work on what they know about, it is possible for inappropriate content to go undetected and unaddressed, even for years. See other stuff exists. If you wish, feel free to point out these other problematic articles so they can be addressed.
Regarding your question, a Wikipedia article should only summarize what independent reliable sources state, and do so with a neutral point of view. Descriptive adjectives are just an opinion and are not neutral. I don't know if there are specific words that are at issue, but the draft reads as a glowing promotional piece for Dr. Petty. It should read as a dull encyclopedia article, neutrally describing what independent sources say about him. 331dot (talk) 20:27, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello @LJimenez2004:. I didn't see many adjectives that could have got the article rejected. I am assuming the person who reviewed the article caught some of the adjectives/phrases in the "Background" section. Things like "is known worldwide" and " he has made numerous contributions" and "this system is currently used throughout the world" might be places where adjectives were flagged. I would just read through the article and try to shorten some of the adjectives. For example, "this system is currently used throughout the world" can be rewritten as "this system is used around the world". Throughout is an adjective that could have been flagged for sounding too much like a person's writing and not a dictionary writing. Hopefully this helps. Elijahandskip (talk) 20:32, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
The fundamental problem is not with the adjectives. The adjectives are just a symptom. Wording like "Petty has taught countless professionals" makes it clear that the draft has been written by someone who is here to promote Petty, rather than to write neutrally about him as Wikipedia requires. Maproom (talk) 06:42, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Sandbox Query

Hi, hope you can help. I'm still very much learning the ropes and have followed a tutorial by Edinburgh University Wikipedian in Residence to help me get started. I'd like to create multiple Sandbox pages for other articles but I'm not sure how to go about this and I've hit a wall trying to find help online. Any advice gratefully received. Dratsie (talk) 08:56, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Dratsie and welcome to the Teahouse! Feel free to experiment in your own sandbox by clicking Here. If you want to make more than one sandbox (like I have), simply make another one! For example, if you want to make a sandbox name Sandbox2 click here and put what you want in it. Feel free to read WP:SANDBOX to learn more. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 09:01, 6 May 2020 (UTC)


Can I create another one?

I joined Wikipedia about a week ago so I didn't really know about this but I'll make my corrections. Since my article has been declined and speedily deleted,can I create another one? Abigail Tetteh (talk) 09:16, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Abigail Tetteh, yep, you can create as many articles as you want! Since your article was deleted, I highly recommend reading WP:INTRODUCTION and WP:GNG. It is quite likely that your article was deleted as it wasn't notable enough, so I really recommend reading GNG. If you don't mind me asking, what was the article? When I looked at your contributions this section on the Teahouse was the only edit I could find. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 09:24, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
@Berrely: users talk page shows copyright infringement. GalendaliaChat Me Up 09:43, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
@Galendalia: thanks! As Galendalia just pointed out, your sandbox was recently deleted as you had copied text from another website. Wikipedia's policies are very strict about copyright infringement and per WP:COPYVIO, that should have been deleted. However, you are free to create your sandbox again, as long as you don't put any copyright infringing text on it. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 09:47, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

A7 and G11

hello please anyone help me i made a page that took me a lot of time about someone and they just deleted my page according to A7,G11 rules which I didn't understand what do they mean anyways and my page got deleted please I will try to repeat everything but any advice before starting ? Issaje (talk) 05:41, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

The rules are explained at A7 and G11. --David Biddulph (talk) 06:11, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Read WP:YFA carefully. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:21, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Nawal Benzaouia appears to be a young woman who organizes fashion shows that include women with disabilities (Downs, wheelchair...). While this is admirable, a quickie search at Google did not find enough content written about her to meet Wikipedia's concept of notability. Her own website, LinkedIn, Facebook, etc. do not qualify as references. See WP:TOOSOON for discussion of attempts at articles about someone too soon in their career. David notMD (talk) 10:35, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Global Chess Festival

Hello, my text has been declined. Could you please give specific instructions how to improve it? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Global_Chess_Festival. Thank you!Katikov (talk) 10:09, 6 May 2020 (UTC) Katikov (talk) 10:09, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Looks to be a refs problem. Some of the content of the draft perhaps not supported by refs? I think that a larger issue is that all of the refs are from chess publications. Can you find write-ups in non-chess publications? Given events held in Hungary, perhaps Hungarian newspapers and magazines? Do not have to be in English. David notMD (talk) 10:46, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Colorado COVID-19 web page

I have periodically been editing the Colorado COVID-19 webpage (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_Colorado) by adding the latest data from the CO Department of Public Health. Recently the web page was redirected from its previous site, which was titled "2020 Coronavirus pandemic in Colorado". Midway down the page there is a valuable data table titled "2020 Coronavirus pandemic cases by Colorado County". This table no longer appears to be editable: when I click the edit link it opens an Editing Template window that is mostly empty except for some language about redirecting... "Redirect Category Shell". It appears that the redirect of the original webpage to the new one hasn't correctly transferred the data file behind this table... please advise how to do so. Thanks! StanfordPostDoc (talk) 11:01, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

 Fixed — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 11:19, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Deleted Sandbox

Hello,please I'm sorry for asking similar questions from multiple locations. Can I create a new sandbox? Abigail Tetteh (talk) 10:38, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@Abigail Tetteh: Yes, you can create a new sandbox by going to User:Abigail Tetteh/sandbox and typing in the edit window. Just don't copy text from other Web sites. Deor (talk) 11:30, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

what to do with 2 references for same sentence on Ben Barres

the article contains 2 references ( ref 1 ) and ( ref 2 ) saying same thing for text :

Attending a West Orange school, Barres excelled in mathematics and science and was impressed by his eighth-grade teacher, Jeffrey Davis.

should i delete one [ ref 1 ] and retain another [ ref 2 ] ? Leela52452 (talk) 11:42, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey @Leela52452: thanks for stopping by. I recommend you do not remove the references as I see them used in different sections of the article. They are also archived pages so if you were to remove them and later down the road someone who needs them may not be able to find them. I hope that helps. Galendalia CVU Member \ Chat Me Up 11:53, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi Leela52452. I don't think there's really any need to delete either reference as long as they are both to reliable sources. If we were talking about an excessively large number of references to support the same simple statement and a WP:OVERCITE type of situation existed, then it might make sense to pick out the best ones and drop the rest; however, two references isn't really excessive, at least in my opinion. In some cases, it can even be a good idea to have multiple citations as sort of a backup in case one citation becomes a WP:DEADLINK, one is a WP:PRIMARY type of source, or the content is particularly something that is contentious. If you're really concerned about this, then you might want to consider asking about it on relevant article's corresponding talk page to see what some others might think. -- Marchjuly (talk) 11:57, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Help with edits

Hi! I’m new to Wikipedia and need some help with my article. I have come to the teahouse a few times and it has been a very helpful and friendly environment. After posting to the teahouse last week, I worked with a copy editor to help improve my page. Another user then made several edits to the article but they removed factual statements, changed many sentences to be inaccurate, removed two sections entirely, and made a derogatory comment on my talk page. I am not sure where to go from here. I am hoping another editor can help me add back the deleted content and fix the incorrect statements. Thank you so much for your help! Marissascavuzzo (talk) 14:21, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

If you wish to discuss edits to an article, the place to do so is on the article's talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:36, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Show me the article. Wynn Liaw (talk) 14:50, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
I think you are referring to these edits , Marissascavuzzo. I suggest that you post to Talk:Paul J. Tesar and ping Justlettersandnumbers asking that editor to explain the reasons for the edits. Justlettersandnumbers is an experienced editor, and I presume has good reasons for any removals, but it may be that consensus will not agree with them. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:26, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
@Marissascavuzzo: I'm concerned that you are referring to the Wikipedia article Paul J. Tesar as "my article". It is not your article - it is Wikipedia's article. When you have a moment, please review Wikipedia:Ownership of content. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 15:36, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
I agree with Justlettersandnumbers that there is no need to list journal articles. This is not a CV. And I pretty much agree with deletion of mention of the company. Yes, deep in the ref there was mention that Tesar is a co-founder, but naming who is CEO and what funding achieved is about the company, not about Tesar, who is the subject of this article. David notMD (talk) 16:36, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
@DESiegel: thank you for the advice. My question is, what is the best way to approach inappropriate comments and incorrect edits from a recent editor? From what I have read, it seems that the recommendation is to directly message the editor on their user talk page or discuss the edits on the article’s talk page, as you mentioned. However, Justlettersandnumbers has already posted a very inappropriate and derogatory comment on my talk page, and I do not want to inflame the situation or engage with them. Their comment on my talk page is below:
“So, here’s a thought, Marissascavuzzo: why don’t you see if you can get someone to donate a photograph of him that makes him look a bit more like a serious and very notable scientist, and a bit less like those advertisements for cheap dental care in Croatia? Perhaps you could even take it yourself? I see that there are plenty of better images on the internet, but it may not be easy to obtain permission for those.”
I prefer not to engage directly after this derogatory comment. I am hoping that someone can help fix the incorrect edits, which were correct, factual, and cited previously. I can post a list wherever you suggest. Also, is there a way to have the derogatory comment removed from my talk page? Thank you! Marissascavuzzo (talk) 12:10, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

How do I add a section?

I am editing my user page and I wanted to add a section to minimise use of space.Cutie Toh (talk) 12:43, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

By:Cutie Toh (talk) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cutie Toh (talk • contribs)

Hi Cutie Toh and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia:Writing better articles#Headings explains how. Hillelfrei talk 05:56, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Cutie Toh Unless you are referring to a hidden section? Then Template:Hidden shows how. Hillelfrei talk 06:01, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
@Cutie Toh: I realise you are new here. First off, please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~). Secondly, we all make mistakes at first and if that happens, someone else will undoubtedly drop by to point out that mistake. But when I see responses to them (like this), I do start to worry whether the new user is not going to accept responsibility for any bad edits they make. You have made some odd ones to begin with, so do please make sure all your edits are based solely on published, reliable sources, and are never based on your own personal opinions or knowledge. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:00, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Posting copyrighted images in articles

I also posted this on the media copyright questions page, but I'd like to post this here as well to get some more views on this. So here it goes...

Hello all! I was trying to add a few images to some Wikipedia pages I wrote and another user reversed my additions. Before I go to dispute resolution, any of the resources here, and in order to avoid an edit war, I'd like to know if I'm justified in adding these images to these pages:

I'd just like another opinion on this, as I'm not really sure what to do, or even how to add NFCC images to articles in the future without them being removed.

I look forward to hearing from you.--Historyday01 (talk) 02:25, 6 May 2020 (UTC) Historyday01 (talk) 02:25, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Historyday01: and welcome to the Teahouse. You are correct in posting this question in the copyright questions, as they will be the ones to best assist you in this. Most of the hosts in that forum have the experience to best answer that question for you and address your concerns for the posting. Thanks GalendaliaChat Me Up 03:43, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. If I have any other general questions, I'll be free to post them here.Historyday01 (talk) 12:51, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Please help with a submission for Macedonian Aviation UK

Can an Editor at Wikipedia kindly help me as a retired 74 year old I am having so much difficulty submitting what I feel is a most interesting submission on my former airline Macedonian Aviation. I was exclusively the founder, owner and creator of this unique British airline. No one except myself have any copyrights of what I would like to submit below. To make a submission is so terribly difficult and any help you can give me would be so gratefully received. Thank you in anticipation. Roger Byron-Collins

Extended content

MACEDONIAN AVIATION Requested submission below

Early in 1972 the all British owned airline, Macedonian Aviation was formed to operate passenger and cargo charter flights. It started with the purchase of an 11 seat de Havilland Dove G-APZU from Lulsgate Air Services at Bristol airport. The airline was initially based at Luton airport operating under the AOC of McAlpine Aviation. Shortly afterwards Harry Chang, a pilot of the recently collapsed 'troop carrier' airline, Lloyds International approached the owner as he had available two contracts with Conoco and The Ford Motor Company. The first was to move offshore oil rig workers around North Sea ports and the second to convey spare parts for the recently introduced Ford Capri between Dagenham and Dusseldorf. With these contracts a loan was secured from Williams and Glyns Bank for Macedonian Aviation, a subsidiary of London based property company Macedonian Securities Ltd to expand their fleet and establish their first base at Southend airport. Harry Chang was appointed as chief pilot and with the Conoco and Ford Motor Company's contracts in place, Macedonian purchased the 'workhorse' of British Aircraft Corporation Filton - a Dakota DC3 G-AMPO c/n 33186 in 30 seat configuration. This aircraft was used to fly the engineers working on the Concorde production between Bristol, Filton and Toulouse. In the summer of that year an application was made to the Civil Aviation Committee to obtain their own AOC. The CAA chairman at the time was Lord Boyd-Carpenter and when it was granted he passed comment that "The applicant at only 26 years of age must be the youngest person in British aviation history to be awarded with an Air Operator's Certificate." ​ ​ On 8th August Dakota G-AMPO's first flight was a weekend inauguration trip to Amsterdam followed by a service check with Dan Air at Lasham and re sprayed at Eagle Air Services at Leavesden, as was the Dove. The Dakota crew underwent training with Dan Air at Lasham and it paid many visits to Gatwick and Southend during this period. Also in August 1972 Dove G-APZU went into service for passenger charters with several flights to Jersey, Amsterdam, Le Touquet, Hamburg, Copenhagen and Oslo. Unexpected publicity was achieved when a special charter for the Dove was undertaken between the 6th to 12th November 1972 when Michael Jackson and the Jackson Five were flown between their concerts in Paris, Birmingham, Manchester, Liverpool and Wembley. The following week the aircraft was chartered by Donny Osmond and The Osmonds for their UK tour. Dove G-APZU went into service for passenger charters from Southend in the October with several flights to Hamburg,Copenhagen and Oslo. ​ ​ However on 4th September 1972 Dakota G-AMPO undertook a very eventful trip. The airline owner's business partner was to marry an Indian diplomat's daughter at the All Saints Anglican Church in Beirut, Lebanon and a wedding party of 25 guests flew out on an MEA scheduled flight from Heathrow. After the marriage ceremony the wedding reception was held at the waterfront St George Hotel, owned by the airline owner's friend Fady el_Khoury, son of the Lebanese President. The following day Palestinian Terrorists murdered Israeli athletes at the Olympic games in Munich. On the 8th September 1972 the Israelis retaliated by attacking and besieging Beirut Airport which was closed and there were no scheduled flights to get the guests out of Lebanon. Harry Chang the head pilot was called from Beirut who said he would take the Dakota from Gatwick to extract the party and knowing the airport well advised the guests to remain on the beach by the airport which he would overfly and once he had landed the group were to run to the aircraft and they could embark. Some 12 hours later after refuelling at Genoa and Brindisi G-AMPO landed at Beirut airport escorted by Israeli military aircraft. The entire 25 wedding guests climbed over the perimeter fence and sprinted for the aircraft which did not shut down and it took off again within minutes for Nicosia Cyprus with the Israeli escort. Some of the wedding party continued their celebrations at The Dome Hotel in Kyrenia (before the island was divided). The wedding guests returned to the UK with Cyprus Airways and the crew and the owner returned in the Dakota 2 days later to Gatwick via Genoa. ​ ​ Later in September 1972 after completion of crew training G-AMPO returned to Southend to commence operations. On November 5th it took its first paying passengers to Amsterdam. The Dove G-APZU departed Southend on November 4th 1972 for a trip to Oslo Fornebu Norway for​ 4 days. Over the winter season the Dove operated a multitude of charter fights to Belgium, France, Germany and Holland. Finally the Dove G-APZU was sold to Shackleton Aviation in February 1973. By the spring 1973 G-AMPO was busy flying almost daily to Jersey, Ostend, Brussels and Saarbrucken. On May 3rd 1973 it flew a service to Groningen - Bergen - Birmingham - Brussels - Southend. By the summer that year the Dakota was working flat out on regular flights between Coventry - Jersey, Birmingham - Cologne, Southend - Castle Donnington - Stornoway. It also undertook many flights for Intra Airways. In November and December it was flying to Brussels, Calais, Cologne, Coventry Exeter, Geneva, Glasgow, Lisbon, Malta, Marseilles, Newcastle and Saarbrucken. During these months it was carrying various car components for the Ford Motor Company and transferring gold bullion for the UK Treasury to and from Germany, Belgium and France. In December 1973 Macedonian commenced oil rig support business for the first time and as a result the Dakota was then relocated to Aberdeen in connection with this contract. With this massive increase in work load Macedonian looked for more DC3s to buy and in March 1974 they purchased from Jersey, British Island Airway's last 3 Dakotas. The first 2 aircraft G-AMHJ c/n 13468 and G-AMRA c/n 26735 arrived at Southend March 8 1974. They were in a convertible cargo/passenger configuration and were moved to Aberdeen on April 27th 1974 for transportation of crews and equipment to Sumburgh on the Shetland Islands. Dakota G-AMPO arrived in Aberdeen also in April but was moved back to Southend that spring for services to Amsterdam, Belfast Gibraltar, Hamburg, Hurn, Heathrow, Le Havre ,Lisbon, Ostend, Rotterdam, Saarbrucken and Teeside. Then in September the third ex BIA DC3 G-AMSV c/n 32830 arrived at Southend. In April 1974 Macedonian Aviation acquired the former Dutch Limburg Airlines route from Rotterdam to Le Havre replacing their Fokker Friendships with Dakotas.​ ​ During summer of 1974 the owner was hearing that the oil companies were going to insist on turboprop operations opened negotiations to acquire 3 Aer Lingus Viscounts and 6 Air Canada Viscounts or 3 Eastern Provincial Heralds. These negotiations were not successful and having appraised the cost of running a turboprop operation was sure would not be profitable so sold the entire Macedonian Aviation as a going concern. ​ ​ Following the sale on November 6th 1974 all the aircraft returned to Southend and the new owners were unable to raise finance to support turboprop operations by the end of the year they ceased all flying. The aircraft went to Humber Airways followed by Eastern Airways who operated the Heathrow - Norwich - Humberside scheduled service. ​ Macedonian Aviation's fleet of 6 Aircraft:​ ​ DH104 Dove 6 G-APZU (04511) Douglas Dakota G-AMPO (16437/33185), G-AMPZ (16124/32872), G-AMHJ (13468) G-AMRA (15290/26735), G-AMSV (16072/32830)

ByronCollins (talk) 12:11, 6 May 2020 (UTC)


Hello, ByronCollins and welcome to the Teahouse. The above displays as a single huge paragraph, and is very hard to read. Also, posting entire proposed drafts to the Teahouse is usually not helpful. The above does not seem to cite or refer to any sources. Wikipedia articles should be based on published reliable sources not on personal knowledge. Are there sources from which this information can be derived? If so,, what are they? Is there sufficient coverage in sources to make this former company notable? I could copy this to a draft for you, but without sources it cannot go anywhere. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 12:40, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
DESiegel, for courtesy: the draft is at Byron’s sandbox. Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 12:46, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) I see, ByronCollins, that you already created this at User:ByronCollins/sandbox, and had previously posted similar content at Macedonian Aviation which was deleted as a copyright infringement of this site Note that even if you do, in fact, own the copyright of the content on that site, Wikipedia cannot accept it unless the site includes a compatible free license, and that even if it wee to be freely released, There could not be a Wikipedia article on this topic unless there are independent sources that cover the topic in some detail. That is what makes a topic notable here, as a rule. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 12:53, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hi ByronCollins. The first thing that is going to need to be established for any article to be written about the company is whether it meets Wikipedia:Notability (companies and organizations). Basically, it's going to have to be shown that the company received significant coverage along the lines explained in WP:CORPDEPTH. If it can be established that the company is Wikipedia notable, then perhaps an article can not only be written about it, but also avoid ending up being deleted. You might want to try asking about this at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Airlines because the members of that Wikiproject are probably good people to ask about the notability of airlines like this.
The next thing for you to consider would be Wikipedia:Conflict of interest based upon what you posted above. Even if it turns out that an article about the company can be written, you might not be the best person to try and do so. Wikipedia doesn't prohibit conflict of interest editing, but it's something that is highly discourage because people connected to subjects they are trying to write about often (even unintentionally) try to present things in a manner that isn't always in accordance with Wikipedia:Neutral point of view and other relevant Wikipedia policies and guidelines like Wikipedia:No original research, etc. COI editing also tends to be viewed suspiciously by many editors (rightly or wrongly) which might lead to tension with others. You best chance might be to make your case for an article at WikiProject Airlines and see if you can find anyone there to help create the article. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:56, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Notability Assistance

Hi. I am a writer. I work in the Australian comedy industry. I am a newcomer to Wikipedia editing and would like to show that a subject I intend to create and, with the help of others in the industry, edit is important and noteworthy as an article. It is an article on a broadcaster, producer and promoter David - Dave - Taranto, who worked in Melbourne radio, recording and live comedy production in the nineteen nineties in Melbourne Australia. His work, which included running the Melbourne Comedy Festival, occurred at a time before comedy in Australia became a more organised professional industry. However, his work is notable as he was active in establishing the organisations that exist today. He was hands on in creating comedy management. As he had such a big impact on Australia's comedy industry I believe an article on Taranto would be very important contribution to the history of comedy in Melbourne and Australia. Can you help me?Crashingdown Man (talk) 12:03, 6 May 2020 (UTC) Crashingdown Man (talk) 12:03, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Crashingdown Man: Welcome to Wikipedia and the Teahouse. It seems like this will be a great article so to help you get accustomed to Wikipedia and articles and the policies, I recommend you go to https://dashboard.wikiedu.org/training/students and you login with your Wikipedia account and start at step one. This will be a great resource for you! Thanks Galendalia CVU Member \ Chat Me Up 12:14, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi Crashingdown Man. While this person sounds interesting and he may have done lots of good things, the main thing you're going to have to self-assess is whether he meets Wikipedia:Notability (people) or Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline. There are lots of people out there who have done lots of great things, but whether they can have Wikipedia articles written about them often depends upon whether they have received significant coverage in multiple reliable sources that are independent or secondary in nature as explained in Wikipedia:Notability#Notability requires verifiable evidence.
If you feel this person is Wikipedia notable and you want to try and create an article about him, then my suggest to you would be to start with a draft and submit it to Wikipedia:Articles for creation for review when you think it's ready. Writing articles can be tricky even for experienced editors or writers because Wikipedia has various policies and guidelines and it's own style when it comes to what it wants from articles. You can find out a little more about this by looking at pages like Help:Your first article or Help:Referencing for beginners, but you might look at some of the other pages linked to in the "Welcome" template previously added to your user talk page for reference as well. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:35, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi @Crashingdown Man:. All the advice above is excellent. On a practical level, I suggest you start by collecting your sources. In Wikipedia, "notability" is principally determined by what reliable sources say about the subject. So collect the sources that talk about the contributions that Taranto made, as you describe. They could be newspaper articles, magazines, television coverage, books, even significant industry awards - they all build the case to show his notability.--Gronk Oz (talk) 13:52, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

A-Bomb

Not an issue for Teahouse/Questions. Referred elsewhere
 – Wikipedia:Reference Desk

why did the U.S. drop the atomic bomb Sumdogg3492 (talk) 13:31, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

The Teahouse is for asking questions about using and editing Wikipedia, so your question doesn't belong here. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:55, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Sumdogg3492 I might direct you to the article about the bombings, Atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki. You may wish to use the Reference Desk for other similar inquiries. 331dot (talk) 14:45, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

New person asking questions?

WHERE THE HELL IS WHOLELOTTARED Gsy65reegfjsh4 (talk) 16:32, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

can someone make an article about coryxkenshin please Gsy65reegfjsh4 (talk) 16:35, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

CoryxKenshin is a YouTuber. If you think he is article-worthy you can give it a try. David notMD (talk) 16:39, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

I Know this is a bit radom but what facts or new section should i add to my real page

I Know this is a bit radom but what facts or new section should i add to my real page

I Know this is a bit radom but what facts or new section should i add to my real page. PLease acesses my page here and suggest what to do. Acess page here

--HISTORIAN (talk) 16:09, 6 May 2020 (UTC) HISTORIAN (talk) 16:09, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello again Andrewhistory. There is no specific list of sections you should have on your user page. Lists of interesting facts from Wikipedia articles are OK, but I would advise against having too many of them. Some users include lists of articles they have worked on, or created, or areas they plan to work on, or particular skills or resources they have and are willing to make available to others. Some list opinions about Wikipedia policy issues. You can have a look at User:DESiegel for what I choose to list. But I advise against spending too much time on your user page. Work on articles should be much more important and take up more of your Wikipedia effort. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:20, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@User:DESiegel thanks for the help. I looked at the user pages of you and many other people. I can't help but notice those boxes with the info like "this user likes/does etc" how do I do that HISTORIAN (talk) 16:24, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries provides a LONG list of Userboxes that you can use on your User page. David notMD (talk) 16:44, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Those are Userboxes, Andrewhistory. Follow the link to read about what they are and how to use them. I am not fond of them myself, but many users find them very desirable on user pages. I will only say, don't go overboard, and spend more time on articles than on your user page, please. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:47, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Save-On-Foods Memorial Centre

I noticed you forgot to add Shania Twain as one of the “notable concert & events held” 70.67.23.53 (talk) 16:27, 6 May 2020 (UTC)Thank you Shirley

Welcome to Wikipedia. The article says that it is a partial list. If you have suggestions on something to improve the article, you can start a discussion on that article's talk page. RudolfRed (talk) 16:50, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Inserting non-free images into articles

I've had my first article Bailey Doogan accepted and posted. Now I'm trying to insert three images of the artist's work. They meet the fair-use criteria. I actually received the files from the artist and have her permission to use them. I just can't seem to technically get the files inserted. When I used the Wikipedia upload function, it wouldn't accept the upload because I couldn't find a fair use category that the program would accept. I found the "Non-free 2D art" template that other artist articles have used, and I filled it out, but it loaded directly into my article. It should be part of a larger attachment that is linked to the inserted image. I'm running out of options. Does anyone know how to access the form that comes up when you click on an inserted image and then click on the "More Details" button? Here's an example of the page I'm talking about from James Pringle Cook's article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:James_Pringle_Cook_Whisper_2_2013.jpg

Thanks! Dactyl123 (talk) 00:17, 6 May 2020 (UTC) Dactyl123 (talk) 00:17, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Dactyl1123. I am assuredly not an expert on this, but nobody else has answered, so I'll try. It looks to me as if the rationale that Mianvar1 used to upload those pictures is not one that the creators of the upload wizard chose to include - in fact, it's pretty clear from the wording that they didn't believe that it is appropriate to upload an artist's 2D work as fair use in an article about the artist. I guess you need to upload the file manually, but I may be wrong. In any case, you would not be adding the template to the article, but to the file description.
I have pinged Mianvar1 (who is still active) and perhaps they will come and advise you better. --ColinFine (talk) 17:12, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Repinging Dactyl123. --ColinFine (talk) 17:15, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Picture edits

how do you edit pictures Sumdogg3492 (talk) 16:44, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sumdogg3492: Why do you want to edit pictures instead of uploading your own? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:25, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Sourcing history articles

Which references are okay to use for history articles? If I'm writing about a sixteenth century topic, is it okay to use nineteenth century sources? There are many websites that combine information from various origins. Some of them come from major organizations, such as government institutions, while others do not. What qualifies a source to be reliable enough for describing a historical topic, and what are the optimal proportions of each type of source to be used on Wikipedia.

I'm currently writing an article on Simple English Wikipedia (simple:User:Naddruf/History of Ireland) but I thought it would be better to ask here.—Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 14:05, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

 Rakesh20001 (talk) 14:34, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Rakesh20001, is this related to the above thread? Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 15:24, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello, Rakesh20001 and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know about the simple English Wikipedia, but on en there are no hard and fast rules.
  • Sources must be reliabel but it is something of a judgement call whether a given source is reliable. One can post a question about a specific source at the reliable source noticeboard and hope for advice from experienced editors there. To get such advice you must identify the specific source, AND what statements will be sourced to it.
  • Sources must be published. This generally means that ancient manuscripts are not usable as sources directly, only modern printed editions of them.
  • When using nineteenth century sources, watch out for out-of-date theories and scholarship. It would be well to check against a more recent source, if one is available. On some issues current scholarly consensus has changed drastically since the 1800s, on others not nearly so much.
Good luck and welcome again. Without specifics, that is about as far as i think i can go. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:36, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
DESiegel Thank you for helping. It was me who asked (User:Rakesh20001 must be confused somehow). Specifically, I'm wondering how much direct research is okay to use. Is it okay if a lot of the sources are arguments by some historian about a minor topic, and I use them to source general events? For example: if the source is this article about fortifications in a particular area and I use it to reference dates in which various kings ruled. https://www.jstor.org/stable/41585270. This is not the main point of the article. Or, do I need to use general outlines of Irish history as references?—Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 15:46, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Naddruf sorry for the confusion. Any reliable source may be used. The fact you are using the source to support need not be the central topic of the source. However, if it is a very brief mention, one might not be as confident that the author of the source checked minor details as one is that the author checked issues that are of major import to the work s/he was writing. If the issue is disputed among scholars (historians in this case) and more than one view could be considered mainstream, i is often well to give both views (or multiple views iof more than 2) with proper citations to sources that support each. If there is a single clear consensus, or the matter is basically factual (e.g. "King Casmir IX was crowned in 1287") we do not need huge numbers of sources that all support the same statement. Does that give you what you need? For a specific question, visit the RSN (link above), and ask "Is source X reliable for statement Y?" Does that help? DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:13, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks for your explanation.—Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 18:46, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Help needed

Hi tea house

My draft submission was recently rejected by Sulfurboy stating sourced with a press release. I asked him several times on his talk page (here) to point to even one reference that he believes looks like a PR but he did not answer any of my questions and closed the discussion. I had reworked on overall sourcing and made significant changes that removed promotional content and non-reliable sources. I had only included sources that were secondary, reliable, and discussed the topic in detail. I doubt if he even cared to check the sources before taking his actions. He also removed all of my edits. What do I do to fix this issue? thanks in advance. 2405:204:288:6273:5E02:A7FA:C95F:2FA1 (talk) 19:11, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

I can't find a single source in that draft that is not either a press release (protip: when the exact same gushing text is found in two different publications [1] [2], it originates from the company – and that was the one that you said was the best and most authoritative source), blatant churnalism, or a trivial mention of the company in an article about something else. I agree with Sulfurboy's assessment. --bonadea contributions talk 20:33, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
The draft has has three Declined and then a Rejection. The reviewers left nine comments. An editor using an IP address (you?) removed declines in the hope that would not prejudice the next reviewer. Sulfurboy is not the problem here. David notMD (talk) 21:30, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@Bonadea: @David notMD: Thanks for taking out the time to review Draft:Pepperfry but the draft you're seeing right now is the old one which was declined back in March 2020, where the reviewer left a message saying This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. I have since reworked on overall sourcing, added more sources from leading publications and removed references that did sound like a PR. I did another draft submission in May 2020 but the reviewer, Sulfurboy, removed all of my edits that left the page the why it looks right now. You can also check out the page history to verify the same. I would appreciate feedback as to what I should do to fix this.2405:204:288:6273:E71F:AECE:31C0:ABDF (talk) 18:49, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Good article vs Featured article

Can any one explain difference between Good article and Featured article in just simple words. Wiki 🎮 Play 11:31, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi @WikiGamee: and welcome to the Teahouse! A good article has to meet strict criteria and when it does it becomes promoted. The article you listed above will show the requirements. The featured article is stricter in its standards as stated on the page you linked above plus the added feature of being on the home page of Wikipedia. I hope this helps you. Feel free to elaborate more if you still find yourself not understanding. Thanks Galendalia CVU Member \ Chat Me Up 11:47, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
See Wikipedia:Featured article criteria. Of ~six million articles in English Wikipedia, 0.1% are FA and 0.5% are GA. David notMD (talk) 16:20, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Featured Article is a subset of Good Article. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:08, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Can somebody teach me on how to make an article and tell me what we need an article on

Can somebody teach me on how to make an article and tell me what we need an article on I would love to make one and I tried a few days ago but that got regeted because of sourses and not be notable neough it seems like all the topics are taken HISTORIAN (talk) 17:54, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@Andrewhistory: Please refer to WP:YFA. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:59, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi again @Andrewhistory: - I recommend that users go through training so they are familiar with all sorts of policies, templates, guidelines, etc. I hope this will help you head in the right direction. Galendalia CVU Member \ Chat Me Up 18:01, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
For "needed" articles, see WP:REQUEST. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:17, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

wikipedia and wikitia? why all my info is there??

Hello! I was starting the edition of my article that got rejected and when I google some stuff... The EXACT info I was writing was already published in WIKITIA. I´m new and I don't know how is that possible or what is the difference between Wikipedia and wikitia.. So I send my article, got back the article with the rejection and some changes (made by the reviewer I guess??)... and that version was the one that was published (I hope I explained myself). 

The publication was made on May 3 and I´ve been working in this for weeks, someone took my info? is that possible?

https://wikitia.com/wiki/Ross_Petty_(pediatrician)


Thanks LJimenez2004 (talk) 21:06, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikitia seems to be a project to write an encyclopedia, but where verified experts in a field must approve an edit to any article related to that field. Their article (which does seem to duplicate what you wrote) was created, as you saw, on May 3rd. I might be slightly in error, but I think someone could only use text from Wikipedia if they give attribution. 331dot (talk) 21:13, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
For what it's worth, the Wikitia home page contains the following licensing information:
"Content is available under Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike. Wikitia is an advanced version of Wikipedia.org of the Wikimedia Foundation, Inc., a non-profit organisation unless otherwise noted."
Please read Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks for additional information about this type of website. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:36, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Wikitia claims to be For Verified Experts Only, but they've been taking a lot of content from Wikipedia's draft space and republishing it without attribution. I don't know if all their content is like that,but I wouldn't be surprised. DS (talk) 22:13, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Would that be a legal matter for the Foundation to take up, or would individuals need to?(just curious more than anything) 331dot (talk) 22:22, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
331dot The foundation has, i9n the past, taken the position that copyrights to contributions are held by the editors who made them,. not by the WMF, so individual contributors must complain or take legal action when their individual copyrights are violated, Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks used to include a sample letter of complaint, and i have sent out a few myself over the years. The unfortunate thing is that, at least for US editors, this leaves little recourse if the infringer won't comply. US copyright law is focused on economic damages, and the economic value of an individual article is normally too low to be worth suing over. Statutory damages are not available if the copyright was not registered, and almost no one registers individual Wikipedia edits with the Copyright office. A DMCA takedown notice might work. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 23:39, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
I find the phrase "an advanced version of Wikipedia.org" both offensive and (probably deliberately) misleading, but I doubt there's much can be done about it. --ColinFine (talk) 08:52, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
FYI
 – Sections merged together. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:10, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

report plagiarism, any email?

Hello! I was wondering if there is any email I can use to report plagiarism done by a Wikimedia page (wikitia). Someone stole my article (not even public yet) and post as his/her own. I am trying to find the fastest way as possible to report this. I will keep editing my article so it can be published by wikipedia anyways. Also I would like to contact directly my reviewer, is that possible? - Robert McClenon is the person I want to contact.

Thanks LJimenez2004 (talk) 19:29, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

You received an answer to your earlier question about Wikitia at #wikipedia and wikitia? why all my info is there??. If you want to contact Robert the way to do it is to use his user talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:33, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

The only answer I received was: yes that is illegal but there's nothing else to do... and... just keep editing your article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by LJimenez2004 (talk • contribs) 19:43, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Correct. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:46, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
I took a look at it and it appears to be made up of drafts taken from Wikipedia, many of which were originally rejected. For example, there's an Wikipedia-looking article about scientist Daniel Musher [[3]], which was rejected here. [[4]]. Here's one of the accounts furiously moving drafts over and adding categories on the fly. [[5]]. Not a lot of careful editorial oversight and thorough vetting from what I can see. But I'm assuming that once anyone submits a draft to Wikipedia, given the creative commons license required, that content is fair game to be repurposed whether it is actually accepted or not. But none of the content is attributed to the original authors, so this is something for the folks at higher pay grades to figure out. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 20:22, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

killed Wiki history Of Make*A*Circus

Dear Wiki people We hope some there can help us. We were part of a long lived San Francisco -centered non-profit called Make*A*Circus. For more than 25 years performers reaches out to young people, especially in minority neighborhoods offering resources and training to stage local mini-circuses. We received support from many donors, individuals and organizations, and media covered our activity. This was all recorded in a Wikipedia article - which now seems to have been removed: we can’t access or edit it. There seems to have been some intervention by someone calling themselves Edgar181. We tried to unravel this online but as non-nerds could not. A relative of a member of our group sent us your names and addresses - he thought you might help - can you? (signatures) please let us know what we can/should do.

(here is an old LA Times news story still linked to Wiki, but not our detailed history).


Los Angeles Times › archivesWeb resultsAt Make*A*Circus, the Spectators Are the Stars - Los Angeles Times — Preceding unsigned comment added by Stetster (talk • contribs) 19:18, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@Stetster: Do you remember what the article was? Chances are the content wasn't notable enough with Wikipedia standards. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:05, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
​Pinging correctly this time. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:05, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
@Stetster: Is it about the deletion from 2004 discussed here: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Make-A-Circus...? --CiaPan (talk) 20:15, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
@Stetster: I can't find a deletion record for Make*A*Circus, Make-A-Circus or Make A Circus. I did find a 2019 user name block. Special:Contributions/MakeACircus TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 20:39, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Editing Conflict

Thanks! I got it! Opera Snob (talk) 20:50, 6 May 2020 (UTC)


I have been in contact with an editor about https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgii_Nelepp Today I got a page called Editing Conflict providing a place and instructions to resolve the conflict. Now I can't find it to use. Please help me bring up the Editors Conflict on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgii_Nelepp.Opera Snob (talk) 17:17, 6 May 2020 (UTC) Opera Snob (talk) 17:17, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@Opera Snob: As far as I can tell there is nothing resembling a link to the dispute resolution dashboard on the article, its talk page, or your talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:30, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
An Edit conflict is where one editor changes a page while another is in the processes of editing it. That sort of edit conflict is different from an edition dispute where editors disagree on what changes to make, but it can occur during a dispute, and may confuse things.Was it an edit conflict screen that you saw, Opera Snob, perhaps? or was it a link t Dispute resolution perhaps? DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:46, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
When there is an editing dispute, the first and best place to try to resolve it is the article talk page, in this case Talk:Georgii Nelepp. I don't see any recent discussion there --only a long comment over 2 years old. I advise you, Opera Snob, to post your view of what shgould and should not be done in the article to that tlk page, and to ping the other editor(s) involved to join that discussion, DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:51, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
I am in agreement with DESiegel on this in the point of "is where one editor changes a page while another is in the processes of editing it" as I see this a lot, so I know when I am adding comments I write in and code everything, then I copy the raw text to my notepad just in case this happens, as it happens quite frequently. Galendalia CVU Member \ Chat Me Up 17:56, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

I posted my editing suggestions (I thought) on the Georgi Nelepp talk page. But I see nthey aren't there, as you said. Thanks! But I know I saw a page called Editor Conflict that gave explicit directions for settling disputes by editing the text (not at the same time). How do I make the ping address work? Opera Snob (talk) 19:46, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

The words in blue in the previous replies (and here) are wikilinks to where you can find further advice, so you can learn the difference between an edit conflict and dispute resolution, and you can also learn how to ping. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:55, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

How do I make the Talk page work? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Opera Snob (talk • contribs) 20:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@Opera Snob: I don't understand what you mean by mak[ing] the Talk page work. It's there as a space to initiate and carry out discussions. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:08, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikitia and Wikipedia Lebanese Yacht Club

Dear All, Kindly note that i notice that my draft article for: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Lebanese_Yacht_Club is now published on Wikitia https://wikitia.com/wiki/Lebanese_Yacht_Club (it was copy paste from my article before doing some updates on it) can you please advise if this is a normal thing to expect... waiting for your urgent comment. Princesse Marissa (talk) 12:49, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Princesse Marissa, and welcome to ther Teahouse. It seems that Wikitia is a site that copys information from Wikipedia, apparently without fully complying with the Wikipedia license. See #wikipedia and wikitia? why all my info is there?? above on this page. Note that if Wikitia did comply fully with the license by providing proper attribution, they could legally copy any page or sewt of pages from Wikipedia that they might choose. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 13:00, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Dear, DESiegel, Thank you, the info are correct there but i still did some other modifications and same others users who help me enhance my article...if i leave it as it is there...and later on my article here hopefully is approved here...can i do this?
waiting for your feedback. Princesse Marissa (talk) 13:07, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Princesse Marissa, yiu don't have to do anything about the Wikitia page, and it will in no way affect the possible approval of your draft here, one way or the other. The Wikitia site might or might not pick up the changes to the page here -- we don't have any control over that. You can safely just ignore it. You could comp-lain about the improper license compliance, but all they have to do is add an acknowledgement and a link and they are in full compliance. I'm not sure it is worth the trouble to complain, but that is up to you. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 13:52, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
DESiegel, thank you, much appreciated your response, i was just worried if it might affect the possible approval of my draft here (hopefully) ...but since it won't affect as per your advise...i will ignore it...thank you very much again :) Princesse Marissa (talk) 14:00, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

The exact same thing happened to me. Im trying to found somewhere to report it, but Idk if Wikimedia could do something about it. Will you take any further actions? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LJimenez2004 (talk • contribs) 20:29, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

I can see this becoming an issue that help desk and teahouse volunteers will have continually address, as more and more editors see their content seemingly hijacked. I posted a note at the Wikimedia Foundation talk page to see if they have any ideas how to alert new editors with a more specific warning about this happening to them. Maybe a more visible header text warning that goes on the article creation wizard and new draftspace templates. Wikipedia talk:Wikimedia Foundation#Wikitia taking drafts without attribution. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 20:59, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

COI - Creating a New Article

I am coming across different recommendations in Wikipedia for new article creation with a COI. Which should I follow? I am reading the guidelines on how to request to have an article created for the company I work for (COI), but am coming across different recommendations in Wikipedia. Which should I follow? On https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation - it says it is intended for editors who should not (e.g. people with a conflict of interest), create new articles directly into mainspace.

Yet, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Best_practices_for_editors_with_close_associations , under section "Don't create new articles", says to go the 'Request' route

On https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest, under section "COI editing" it says "you should put new articles through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process instead of creating them directly;"

Yet https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:FAQ/Organizations#Do_I_have_to_disclose_my_relationship_with_my_organization?, under section "I think my organization deserves an article on Wikipedia but none exists. What can I do?" it says the 'Request route.

Is one more preferably than the other? Mfunderburk (talk) 21:06, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Mfunderburk, and welcome to the Teahouse. The thing that all thee pages are advising against is direct creation of an article withotu reveiw by an editor with a COI for that topic. This is because people with a COI have a very hard time writing neutrally about that topic, as a rule. (There are exceptions, and often write text that is overly promotional or try to create an article about a topic that is not notable in Wikipedia's terms.
Either the Request route or the AfC route means that a non-COI editor, presumably a relatively experienced one, will create or review the article, and should take pains to avoid a promotional article and make sure that Wikipedia policy is adhered to. Either route can be used, and i don't think one is strongly preferred to the other. If you want to write the article yourself, and you feel able to supply reliable independent sources, use AfC. Otherwise use the Request route. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 21:15, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

AFD -- Wrea Head Hall

Please see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Wrea Head Hall. I will confess to being seriously confused by 5 Keeps vs 2 Deletes resulted in a delete. GhostInTheMachine (talk) 20:43, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

WP:DRV is where you will want to place a deletion review. bibliomaniac15 20:46, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello, GhostInTheMachine. Discussions in Wikipedia are never votes - see WP:NOTVOTE - but depend on the arguments presented. At least two of those keep !votes ("!votes" is read "not-votes", because it isn't a vote) explicitly argue for notability based on something which has nothing whatever to do with Wikipedia's definition of notability. If there are no reliably published sources about the building, then there is literally nothing which can be validly put in an article about it, so Wikipedia does not allow you to waste your own or anybody else's time trying - that is (mostly) what the notability rules are about. (Anybody may propose a change in the definition of notability - they would do it at the Village pump - but major changes such as they are assuming have no chance of achieving consensus; and unless the definition is changed, those arguments have zero weight in the discussion.) --ColinFine (talk) 21:39, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Nominations are generally considered "delete" !votes, making it 3-5. One keep !voter already contacted the closer. Regardless, I consider it a good close (though I !voted delete in the AfD). --MrClog (talk) 21:41, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello

Do i need an account to say something? Is there a place I can comment in articles? 5.24.160.16 (talk) 18:07, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@5.24.160.16: You can edit but your name is your Ip. You can comment on the page talk page. The4lines |||| (You Asked?) (What I have Done.) 18:11, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

What do I press to access a talk page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.24.160.16 (talk) 18:18, 6 May 2020 (UTC) I found a button on the top of the page, next to where it says article. It says “talk” on it, is that a talk page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.24.160.16 (talk) 18:21, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Most arti8cles may be edited by anyone, with or without using an account. A few are protected and need an account and some expereince to edit. As yiou can see at Wikipedia:Why create an account? there are some benefits to creating and using a free account. It actually protects your privacy better, as in the absence of an account your IP address is used in place of an account anme, and it is often possible to link san IP address to a particular geographic area, and sometiems to a specific person. In addition, it is much easier to communicate with a user who uses an account, and a user can build up a positive reputation.
(edit conflict) As The4lines said above, the normal place to comment on an article is that article's talk page. However, tjhe talk page is intended for discussions on how mto improve the article (or other page), not as a general forum on the topic of the article. Normally, anyone may comment on the talk page of any article, as long as our policies are respected, such as civility, no personal attacks, and the Talk page guidelines. I hope that is helpful. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:25, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Yes, the button or tab labeled "talk" takes you to the talk page, and from there you can click "edit" for the visual editor (if it is enabled for you or "edit source" for the wikitext editor. See Help:Editing for more information. Another benefit of an account is that yuou can set a variety of editing preferences and have them stick with your account until you change them. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:29, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Ok thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.24.160.16 (talk) 18:31, 6 May 2020 (UTC) I commented on the article, do I have to continue editing now? I read tye article and I tell what I think needs to be taken out. Also does adding : make your writing go to the right? I used it on my comment and I think it worked.

You commented the right way. You never have to do anything on Wikipedia. On a controversial article like Turkey, you shouldn't make large changes without talking about them first; if people come to a consensus, someone will edit it later. For a non-controversial edit, it's okay to just do it without commenting on the talk page. You are correct that : moves your text to the right. If you put more of them, it will move it further to the right.—Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 18:58, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Ok thank you, when will it be changed? Or will it be changed? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.24.160.16 (talk) 19:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Also a robot keeps writing my name. How do I make it like yours? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 5.24.160.16 (talk) 19:04, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
See WP:Signature. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:12, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello, IP user. There is no guarantee that any change you suggest (or that any change anybody else suggests) will be carried out: it depends on whether (and when) consensus is reached among the editors who are interested enough to contribute to the discussion. You have given your opinion, and that is fine; the only thing you could do more is to show how Wikipedia's own policies support your opinion. --ColinFine (talk) 21:13, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Whether you start an account or remain unregistered, i.e., and IP address, typing four of ~ at the end of your comments with 'sign' your name. If you don't a robot does it later. David notMD (talk) 21:48, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Constructive

建設的ではない、って意味がわからんのですけど。具体的な説明お願いします。外人が編集するより、日本人の私が編集したほうがはるか建設的でしょう。 Gegewe5043 (talk) 21:13, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Google traslate renders the above as: I don't understand what it means to be constructive. Please give a specific explanation. It would be much more constructive for me to edit Japanese than for foreigners. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 21:17, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Gegewe5043. This seems to be in response to this edit oin which several paragraphs of text were removed with no reason or explanation given. That looks unhelpful or "unconstructive".
Also, please write in English on this page and other discussion pages in the en.Wikipedia. The Japanese-language Wikipedia is available for thosew whoi wish to write in that language. Only quotations and, in some cases source text should normally be in a language other than English on en.Wikipedia. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 21:24, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
[Racist attacks removed, Gegewe5043 blocked indefinitely]
(edit conflict) Gegewe5043さん、そんな態度の必要がありません。文句があれば日本語の「Wikipedia」があります。—Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:59, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Courtesy: Article in question is Jōmon people. Gegewe5043 deleted text. Another editor reverted. The proper nxt step is to start a discussion on the Talk page of the article. Insulting people, as was done immediately above, will lead to being blocked from editing Wikipedia. David notMD (talk) 21:58, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

pretty sure info should be blanked by an admin

I'm not sure/positive/or just too timid; but I'm pretty sure the info Here should be blanked by an admin.

  1. Am I right?
  2. How/Where do I report? ToeFungii (talk) 22:03, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
@ToeFungii: Relevant information can be found at WP:OVERSIGHT. Quickest way is to email them. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 22:04, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Editing articles

I would like to know how to find articles that need editing due to grammatical or spelling errors.

Thanks. Jardinski (talk) 09:36, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Jardinski, a good way to find articles that need some typo fixing is by pressing the random pages button on the sidebar. You will almost definitely find some articles that need so editing. You might also want to consider checking out Category:Wikipedia articles needing copy edit. — Yours, Berrely • Talk∕Contribs 09:41, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Jardinski, check WP:Community portal. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 10:14, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Jardinski Another way is to use the search bar on the top right. For example, type "recieve" in the search bar and you'll see a number of suggestions pop up. Click on the last entry, which says containing... "recieve" and you'll get 16 results. While some will be redirects or URLs or quotes marked with [sic], a few need fixing. There are plenty of suggestions at Commonly misspelled English words. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 22:22, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Conflict of Interest

Hi, editors from Wikipedia told me I need to add a COI in my user page. I am about to add some information to an existing WP article based on WP Editors recommendation but I really do not know what the COI has to to say, that I really did the work? that the term is my idea? Is there any example I can use? The tutorial in WP did not help on this to me.

Thank you very much!


Gabriel DrDelaTorre (talk) 20:13, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@DrDelaTorre: I don't see the COI disclosure request, but I'm pinging AngusWOOF, the declining editor for Draft:The Cosmic Gorilla Effect. His suggestion was to add the info to the existing article The Invisible Gorilla, but if you are the writer of the article referenced in the rejected draft, you will need to disclose that on your talk page, if you want to add info about the paper to the existing article. Others may suggest you just put an edit request on the page and let someone else add your info, after independently reviewing it, but I think the disclosure will be sufficient. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 20:33, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
DrDelaTorre, Howdy hello! You should take a look at disclosing a COI. The moral is: you need to add {{UserboxCOI|1=Page you have a conflict with here}} to your userpage. You don't have to disclose the nature of the COI, merely that you have one. Though if you are being paid for your edits, you will need to state that by following the guidelines at WP:PAID. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 20:36, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
DrDelaTorre, I suggested you post your conflict of interest or connection to the article because you are citing your own papers in that article. AngusWOOF (bark • sniff) 23:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Clarity

Hello, TeaHouse. Just need a little clarity on how long it takes for a created page to appear on a 'google search'. For instance, United States School Garden Army, Ikorodu Bois, Ahmed Khan have all been created for about three days or more, but not 'searchable' on google. By the way, i noticed that my approved AfC article appear faster on a search engine. Are there reasons for this? Or explanations? P:S: This is a Knowledge Question, absolutely not WP:COI. Many thanks! TheEpistle (talk) 22:51, 6 May 2020 (UTC) TheEpistle (talk) 22:51, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@TheEpistle: It will be indexable by search engines after 90 days or when it is reviewed by a new page reviewer, whichever comes first. Just be patient. RudolfRed (talk) 23:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Alright, many thanks! RudolfRed TheEpistle (talk) 23:12, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

what should i do?

what should i do?


Help i have no idea what to edit. If we need any topics I can do it but I am out of ideas. Please write about articles that need editing or topics that need an article .

--HISTORIAN (talk) 19:22, 4 May 2020 (UTC) HISTORIAN (talk) 19:22, 4 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Andrewhistory, I can't really recommend a specific topic/article to edit. I will invite you to Wikipedia:WikiProject Current events, which is a WikiProject that improves articles on Portal:Current events and teaches users what to add to the portal. You can also go to Recent changes and just pick an article that was recently edited by another user and find a way to improve it. In short, pick any article you want to edit, and try to improve it. Hopefully this helps. Elijahandskip (talk) 19:47, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
@Andrewhistory: Thanks for your interest in helping out. You'll also find enough to keep you busy for a long time here Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 20:10, 4 May 2020 (UTC)
Andrewhistory, I suggest that you look at Wikipedia:Community portal. It has links to a number of articles that need improvement. Near the top, links are grouped by type of improvement needed, such as "Fix spelling and grammar", "Expand short articles", and "Improve lead sections". Farther down the page you will see other opportunities for improving articles. Eddie Blick (talk) 00:42, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
@Andrewhistory: Shameless plug: If you are interested in copyediting, there is a Guild of Copyeditors here on Wikipedia that regularly gets requests to have articles being nominated for FA or GA to be looked over. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:55, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi Andrewhistory. I found that you are interested in history so you might want to help improve these History stubs or contribute to the History Project. You can also create a subpage for SuggestBot, which recommends pages you can work on based on your previous Wikipedia edits. Good luck! Darwin Naz (talk) 23:50, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

My page got deleted

 ANKHEEE DADDY 2 (talk) 22:27, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Greetings I'm ANKHEEE DADDY 2

My page ANKHEEE DADDY got 

deleted so I wanted to Know if I 
can get it back or log into it again 
or 
something thank you
@ANKHEE DADDY 2 and ANKHEE DADDY: No pages you have created with either of your accounts have been deleted. —C.Fred (talk) 22:30, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
You could also, however, make a draft at Articles For Creation for review. Make sure you also comply with notability guidelines (especially this one) and keep a neutral point of view. Make sure to read existing articles (random article here) for a reference point if you choose to create a draft. dibbydib blabber or snoop 00:29, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Why is start class worse than stub class?

I saw in the articles talking about the ranks stating that the start class is, in effect a ¨dustbin¨ and that it is almost impossible to fix a start-class article, compared to a stub-class article, which is considered the normal stage of growth. What exactly is so bad about start-class articles and why do they have such low chances of getting promoted to C class? 2601:647:4100:10E2:6DE7:3C19:7FCA:45 (talk) 22:41, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

I am not that familiar with Wikipedia:Content_assessment, but the chart there shows that stub is lower rating that start. Any article may be improved by adding content that is linked to reliable sources. If someone tells you an article is not saveable, ask them to clarify why. RudolfRed (talk) 23:00, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Can confirm that stub-class is lower than start-class. The order for rating articles is Stub, Start, C, B, A, Good Article, Featured Article. dibbydib blabber or snoop 00:22, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Start-class is not really a "dustbin". Start-class is just a step in article development, the next step under stub-class. It may seem harder to fix a start-class article as compared to a stub-class one, but this is because a start-class article just has more content than stubs and hence needs more effort to fix. Besides, start-class does not mean unfixable; just see outreach:Life of an Article. Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 01:20, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Putting a wiki on youtube music.

When does youtube put a wiki onto a music album on their app youtube music? Titan229 (talk) 00:55, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Titan229 Could you please be a bit more specific? I'm not sure how is this relevant to Wikipedia editing. Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 01:09, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Titan229 I think what you're asking is what is YouTube Music's method for deciding when to link to an album's Wikipedia article in their app. That is a question for YouTube, we don't know YouTube Music's workings. We can answer questions about Wikipedia editing, though. Hillelfrei talk 01:34, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

How to create wiki "shortcut" to a wiki redirect page

What is the wiki code to link to this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Moomoo&redirect=no kind of like i can type Beyonce and it will goto Beyonce page Ron John (talk) 03:26, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Go to "edit source" and change the #REDIRECT [[Page target]] to the target of the redirect you want. If you however want to link to a redirect and not change the redirect target itself you could just link to the redirect, just like [[Redirect page]] dibbydib boop or snoop 03:43, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Ronjohn If you mean how to wikilink to Moomoo without the automatic redirect, copy and paste {{No redirect|Moomoo}} and it will display as a wikilink to the redirect page. Hillelfrei talk 03:46, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
@Ronjohn: On a page you can have the wikicode [[Beyonce]] and readers who click on it will be redirected to the Beyoncé article. Similarly, you can have the wikicode [[Moomoo]] and readers who click on it will be redirected to the Muumuu article. GoingBatty (talk) 04:49, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Hopefully one of these answers is what you were looking for :) Hillelfrei talk 05:09, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Request for article creation

Hello, I was wondering if anyone could assist me in getting an article created for 6 time BJJ (Brazilian Jiu Jitsu) world champion Paulo Sergio Santos? I put the request in and also under the martial arts talk page, but I have a conflict of interest creating the article as I have trained with him before and he is a living person. Thank you! BasicsOnly (talk) 16:14, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

@BasicsOnly: Welcome to the Teahouse! Before starting to create a new article, I suggest you work on existing articles so you can learn the basics of Wikipedia. When you're ready, there's lots of good advice on Help:Your first article. GoingBatty (talk) 16:26, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
(ec) Hello BasicsOnly! Thanks for being open with your WP:COI. I was going to suggest Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Martial arts, but you thought of that, maybe you'll get lucky. You can also start the article as a Help:Userspace draft, write it as well as you can, presumably you have sources per WP:BASIC/WP:SPORTBASIC, and then submit it for review, see Wikipedia:So_you_made_a_userspace_draft#Ready!. Be sure to WP:DISCLOSE. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:27, 5 May 2020 (UTC)
Is this [6] the guy? Sounds interesting. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:45, 5 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Gråbergs Gråa Sång, no it is this individual: https://www.bjjee.com/interview/highest-ranked-black-belt-in-france-paulo-sergio-santos-we-must-be-an-example-for-our-students/ https://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-fighters/paulo-sergio https://www.instagram.com/paulosergiobjj/?hl=en http://www.psphoenixbjj.com/?page_id=6 — Preceding unsigned comment added by BasicsOnly (talk • contribs) 00:57, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@BasicsOnly: You're going to need three or more sources that professionally-published and are not dependent upon, connected with, nor affiliated with you or Paulo Sergio Santos -- but are still specifically and primarily about him. Without those, there can be no article. Here is the clearest recipe I've been able to come up with for articles that won't be rejected or deleted. It includes steps that users with a conflict of interest can follow to get the article started. Ian.thomson (talk) 01:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you Ian.thomson. Would this help?

Several Articles Referencing Paulo Sergio Silva dos Santos (Paulo Sergio Santos) including one Wikipedia Article which references him: https://jits.fr/athletes/paulo-sergio-silva-dos-santos http://karatebushido.com/paulo-sergio-santos-6-fois-champion-du-monde-de-jiu-jitsu-bresilien/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alliance_Jiu_Jitsu#Notable_Alliance_Black_Belts https://www.icelandreview.com/news/icelander-european-champion-bjj/ https://ibjjf.com/results/international-master-senior-jiu-jitsu-championship-2006-results/ https://www.ikusa.fr/JJB/ceinture https://alliancebjj.com/instructors/notable-black-belts/ https://www.bjjheroes.com/bjj-fighters/paulo-sergio https://cocepjiujitsubresilien.wordpress.com/about/lequipe-pedagogique/diplomas/

works created: https://www.amazon.com/Santos-Paulo-Sergio-Brazilian-Jiu-jitsu/dp/B004FF455M/ref=sr_1_2?dchild=1&keywords=sergio+santos+jitsu&qid=1588727981&sr=8-2&swrs=F36F154660B1A7D931E59A8075119264 https://www.amazon.com/Brazilian-Jiu-Jitsu-Alliance-Standing-Techniques/dp/B00EWJ407Y/ref=sr_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=sergio+santos+jitsu&qid=1588727981&sr=8-3&swrs=F36F154660B1A7D931E59A8075119264 https://www.amazon.com/Alliance-Brazilian-Jiu-Jitsu-Basic-Techniques/dp/B004FF8JFO/ref=sr_1_4?dchild=1&keywords=sergio+santos+jitsu&qid=1588727981&sr=8-4&swrs=F36F154660B1A7D931E59A8075119264 https://www.amazon.com/Alliance-Brazilian-Jiu-Jitsu-Advanced-Techniques/dp/B004QITICS/ref=sr_1_5?dchild=1&keywords=sergio+santos+jitsu&qid=1588727981&sr=8-5&swrs=F36F154660B1A7D931E59A8075119264 — Preceding unsigned comment added by BasicsOnly (talk • contribs) 01:23, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

@BasicsOnly: Wikipedia articles and WordPress sites are user generated, not professional sources. Lists from organizations he's worked with or competed in are not independent sources. Indiscriminate lists of names tell us nothing about Paulo Sergio Santos. The Iceland Review article is the closest thing you've got to an independent professional source -- but that article is about Jósep Valur Gudlaugsson, not Paulo Sergio Santos (doesn't matter if it mentions him, it's not about him).
Again, professionally-published and are not dependent upon, connected with, nor affiliated with you or Paulo Sergio Santos -- but are still specifically and primarily about him. To be clearer, that means stuff like newspaper articles or magazine articles (including online versions of those from the original publisher's website). Ian.thomson (talk) 21:24, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

How To Publish Articles On Wikipedia

I wish to find out how one can create an article about a particular subject on Wikipedia and published it Sandy Mukum Fokou (talk) 06:46, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sandy Mukum Fokou: If you're looking to create an article, we strongly suggest you read through WP:YFA first thoroughly and have reliable sources. If you search for your subject here they might already have an article written about them and you contribute there instead. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:55, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft improvement or deletion

Hi, I was writing a draft about this 19th century Italian ceramicist, Vincenzo Molaroni, but I can't find any substantial information on the subject. It also seems to be not/vaguely notable. Should I create a stub on this with the information and resources available (additional info can be added to what's already there, but not much) or should it be deleted? Thanks. NawJee (talk) 12:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC) NawJee (talk) 12:02, 6 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi NawJee. There are really no deadlines per se when it comes to drafts which means you can continue working on it and trying to improve it at your own pace if you like. Things like WP:N don't really apply to drafts like they do to articles; so, as long as the draft is a good faith attempt and not about something frivolous, it should be OK. The only thing you do need to worry about is leaving it go unedited for too long so that it doesn't get mistaken as an abandoned draft. If you create a WP:STUB, it might survive (even for quite some time), but there's always a risk that it will end up WP:DELETEd; moreover, the idea behind a stub is that the subject's Wikipedia notability is pretty well established, but there's room for improvement and that the article has the potential to eventually evolve into a much more developed article. Perhaps you can find some members of a relevant Wikiproject who can help finding sources and assessing notability. You can always submit the draft to WP:AFC for review when you think it's ready and see what happens. Being accepted via AFC doesn't mean an article can never be deleted, but AFC reviewers tend to be fairly experienced editors and typically don't approve drafts that are likely going to end up quickly deleted. -- Marchjuly (talk) 12:20, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
NawJee, please see WP:ARTIST for more detail. From first glance this seems to have a certain prospect; please feel free to improve it and add more sources! Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 12:41, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi @Marchjuly:, I understand that there are no deadlines and that they are usually deleted if left unedited for 60 days, but I am concerned about the notability and availability of content. Anyhow, as Eumat114 suggested, I'll improve the draft and add what sources I can find. The reviewers at AfC can then best judge if it should be published at all. Thank you both for answering. NawJee (talk) 17:09, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
For 60 days read 6 months; see WP:G13. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:49, 6 May 2020 (UTC)
Ah, must have misread. Thanks for the correction, David Biddulph. NawJee (talk) 07:11, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

COVID case and death rate percentages were 30-50% lower

I just corrected the percentage increases in COVID cases and deaths from May 5-6th in Sweden. All of the incorrect numbers were 30-50% lower than they should have been. Can you tell from editing history who entered these wrong numbers? Looks a bit like a deliberate effort to flatten the curve using wrong statistics. StanfordPostDoc (talk) 08:56, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

StanfordPostDoc Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The best place to bring up this sort of comment is the article talk page, Template talk:COVID-19 pandemic data/Sweden medical cases chart. You can examine the edit history of the page(click the "View History" tab at the top of the article) to see who else has edited it, but I would tread carefully in accusing other editors of deliberate misinformation without direct evidence, the other editors may simply have different information than you. 331dot (talk) 09:05, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Thank you... will do! — Preceding unsigned comment added by StanfordPostDoc (talk • contribs) 09:13, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

trying to add an omitted published book on the author's page, but can't seem to do it

Richard Reeves wikipedia page omitted a book he published and I read NEIL J SHERMAN (talk) 01:32, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

NEIL J SHERMAN Just press edit on the top right, go ahead and add it, and leave an edit summary such as "added book". Everyone is welcome to contribute to Wikipedia. If I am misunderstanding your question, feel free to be more specific. Hillelfrei talk 01:36, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello, NEIL J SHERMAN, and welcome to the Teahouse. I don't know if you mean Richard Reeves (American writer) or Richard Reeves (British author), but in either case, there has not been a recent edit to add another work, so whatever you did, it didn't complete.
Please note that Wikipedia articles about writers and other creative people don't necessarily list all their works. You are welcome to be bold and add another book (and it's best if you can give a citation, preferably to a professionally published review of it - not to a commercial site such as Amazon!); but be aware that it is possible that other editors may disagree that that is appropriate, and remove your edit. If that happens, don't panic! Follow to the page I linked just above (the word 'bold'), and you can open a discussion with that other editor. --ColinFine (talk) 09:14, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Why is someone undoing our Wiki

hi there,

we are putting accurate information on Guy Chamber's wiki so why is someone undoing it all? It's very frustrating. We are working through it and referencing things as best we can via other Wikipedia. https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Guy_Chambers&oldid=955198240 — Preceding unsigned comment added by SSounds2020 (talk • contribs) 07:16, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

SSounds2020 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Guy Chambers does not have a "wiki", there is a Wikipedia article about him. (a wiki is a type of entire website, not a single article) The article does not belong to Mr. Chambers or his representatives. Is that who "we" is? Only a single person should be operating your account. If you are associated with Mr. Chambers, you need to read and formally comply with the conflict of interest and paid editing policies.
Your edits have been removed because they are unsourced additions to a biography of a living person. If you have independent reliable sources to support your changes, please offer them on the article talk page as a edit request. 331dot (talk) 08:06, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
That article is pretty awful, WP-wise. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:36, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
I agree it is a mess. I poked it some, but needs more brutal editing. David notMD (talk) 13:18, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Help regarding a content dispute in a sensitive area (More specifically, regarding in what cases can a controversial term be used)

Requesting advice from any uninvolved editor who knows how to handle discussions from sensitive areas like Indian politics and communal riots.
There is a discussion at Talk:2020 Delhi riots#Confused to remove the “in the Indian capital's deadliest Hindu-Muslim riot since 1950” in the lead of the article. I opposed removing the phrase due to the fact that 30% of the deceased were Hindus (as per the infobox), but other participants were citing verifiability and original research policies and saying that almost no source calls it a Hindu-Muslim riot, and that the death toll doesn’t account for those who were left in the drains to die (if there is evidence that there are some missing victims, then why keep a possibly fudged up death toll?). However, I found four reliable sources, two of which have an international presence, calling it as “Hindu-Muslim clashes”. Sources which have termed the riots as “Hindu-Muslim”:

Here, Reuters, Associated Press and NYT did note that both Hindus and Muslims had resorted to violence (though they focused on the Hindus committing the majority of crimes). So, is the fact that these sources call it a Hindu-Muslim clash enough to leave the phrase in the article? RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 11:39, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

The purpose of the Teahouse is not for intervening in content disputes. The place for discussion, as you are aware, is the article talk page. If agreement can't be reached there, the processes are laid out at WP:Dispute resolution. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:48, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Sorry for not being clear enough. My question actually has to do with whether a source’s using a particular term, even in sensitive subjects like this, warrants that term’s existence in the article if only some sources use it (no Indian newspaper has used the Hindu-Muslim term AFAIK). I was giving the situation for context. I’ve added the same on the talk page, but I’d like advice for when a similar situation comes up again. And by the way, is the “Thanks for the warm welcome” above the topmost query supposed to be there? It makes no sense to me. (The concerns voiced in the previous sentences have been addressed) RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 13:27, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

COI issue with Persian novel I translated into English

I need advice on how to not appear to be promoting a [non-commercial] novel which I am, in fact, in a way promoting: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:My_Blog_Is_Up_For_Grabs I failed to add a COI tag at the outset only because I didn't know about such things which I hope I have now corrected. (Not sure if I added that correctly.) I believe the Persian author of the book is sufficiently notable in that he is now up for the prestigious Hans Christian Andersen Award (it's the "Nobel" in the realm of international children's literature) and the author has also won prestigious prizes in his home country, Iran. Obviously, his works are not very accessible to non-Persian readers so that is why I translated this novel into English and put it in the public domain for free. This novel has so far gone into 3 printings in Iran (that's considered a lot there) but the English translation is likely only going to be of interest to a small niche group. So how can I bring the translation to people's attention other than "promoting" it? My article was rejected for "promoting" but I honestly must ask, aren't pretty much all new books and film articles on Wikipedia not written by those connected with them? I'm stuck as to how to get my article accepted and any tips would be appreciated. MrConnieGenius (talk) 06:36, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello MrConnieGenius and welcome to the Teahouse! Some new books and film articles definetely are, and they are often deleted because the creators don't know enough about what a WP-article should look like. More (I think) are created by some sort of fan (or Wikipedian who sees the opportunity to write a decent article), for example I created Norse Mythology because I read it and liked it (and I would have been very surprised if I didn't like it).
Now. What can make this article seem non-promo and "stick" on WP. It depends on sources. If you haven't, check WP:GNG and WP:NBOOK. Gather the sources you can find that are at the same time reliably published, independent of the author/publisher/you/etc, and talks about the book directly and in some detail. No blogs, wikis, tweets etc. Then, write the article only by summarizing these sources. It will likely be shorter. A "plot" section can be written based on the book itself, in a concise describe-don't-interpret manner. Per WP:NOENG these sources need not be in English, but of course it's easier if they are. And they still have to be WP:RS. If there are no such sources, the article won't be accepted at this time. If the book gets significant awards in the future, that may increse coverage at some point. Hope this helps. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:05, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thank you for your advice. MrConnieGenius (talk) 14:59, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi again

another question So I noticed thank I have been given a couple times on how I am not making very constructive edits. I would like to know how I can make more constructive edits. I would also like help with sandbox because I can not get the article to not be a real article, just wanted it to be visible to me so I can take short-cuts to my favorite articles as my own favorite button. Thamks! Clockworkv (talk) 12:56, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Clockworkv, and welcome to the Teahouse. I can see that you are enthusiastic about contributing to Wikipedia. The trouble is that you are ploughing in and making changes without understanding how Wikipedia works. Some of the categories you are adding with HotCat may be good calls; but some of them will undoubtedly be either contrary to policy (because the entry is already in the sub- or super-category) or have been discussed and decided against. Again, adding an acronym to a DAB page that isn't used in the article you're directing to is not necessarily constructive, and nor is changing British to American spellings without good reason (especially in an article about a British film! See WP:ENGVAR). My advise to you is to slow down. The WP:Task Center and the WP:Community portal both have suggestions for how you can help.
As for your last question: if you don't want other people to see it, don't put it on Wikipedia. Period. There are no private areas on Wikipedia, anywhere. User space and Draft space are not considered part of the main encyclopaedia, and are not indexed by search engines, but they are still publicly visible. --ColinFine (talk) 14:35, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

thanks for the additive Clockworkv (talk) 14:42, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

If you want a page of handy links and things to copy for editing, Clockworkv, you can have one. I have User:DESiegel/Tools. A sandbox is not a good place for such a page. A Tools or Links or Shortcuts page would not be private (anyone could see it), but normally there would be no reason for anyone else to edit it or even look at it. It is also possible to add a link to such a page as a custom menu itme on your Wikipedia menu. If you are interasted I can explain how to do that.
A sandbox is best used for either of two main purposes. It can be a place to experiment with wiki markup and formatting, to see how it works or what it looks like. It can also be the first stage of a draft of an article. Or you can go directly to a Draft page, or create a userspace draft such as User:Clockworkv/Topic (where "Topic" is replaced by the topic of the draft). This avoids confussion that can result when a sandbox is used to draft several different articles and the early history can become mixed. But it is never a requirement. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:10, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, I will try that out at some point. :) Clockworkv (talk) 15:12, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

How to bring in additional editors or contributors to a discussion/debate re NPOV of an article?

Hi, I'm brand new and finding this a bit daunting. Have gotten into a debate on NPOV of one section of Corey_Johnson_(politician). Looking for other editors to weigh in on the talk page of the article. I added a tag disputing the neutrality, and added discussion on the talk page, but it is devolving into an unproductive back-and-forth with one editor. Help? Thanks! Broom Bones (talk) 14:59, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Broom Bones! WP is a strange place, but hopefully you'll enjoy it. There is no guaranteed way, Wikipedians edit what they please when they please, but what you should try is this: See the wikiprojects listed at the top of Talk:Corey Johnson (politician). Go to their talkpages, post something like "There is a discussion about religious freedom at Talk:Corey Johnson (politician), your input is welcome." Perhaps WP:NPOV/N would be a good place as well. Guidance at WP:APPNOTE. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:20, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks so much Gråbergs Gråa Sång! Broom Bones (talk) 15:25, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Broom Bones. You could also use Wikipedia:Third opinion to ask fo9r additional input when two editors seem to be in a standoff with no good way forward. I would not advise doing both the notice board and Third opinion at the same time. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:57, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Using a Wikipedia image?

I would like to know if I can use a picture from your online collect of Antiochus Epiphanes for a book I am writing. Reese077 (talk) 16:21, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Created a section title for this new question and deleted personal contact information. An answer to your question will either be posted here or at your Talk page. David notMD (talk) 16:24, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
@Reese077: It depends on the picture. Most are licensed to be freely reusable (usually with attribution) but some are not. Click on the picture you are interested in and it will show you the licence information. RudolfRed (talk) 16:27, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

COI posted at WP userpage

Ho can anybody please tell me if I did place correctly the COI at my userpage?? It was needed in order to add information to an existing WP entry. I have now the text to be added ( I guess I have to go to the entry, edit and add the text) however I don't know how to add the references (it says can be added only in source mode)

Thank you very much editors!! DrDelaTorre (talk) 16:22, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@DrDelaTorre:  Fixed the COI declaration at your user page. If you have text and references you would like added to The Invisible Gorilla article, you can make a request with all the details at the article talk page: Talk:The Invisible Gorilla. Don't worry about adding references in any particular format - just do your best. GoingBatty (talk) 16:36, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Help

Hello,how we can reference the edits Sincerely Heyday to you Heyday to you (talk) 16:34, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Heyday to you, and welcome to the Teahouse. See Referencing for Beginners to learn how to supply source references for Wikipedia articles. Sources are very important here. See WP:CITE for more on why they are needed and wanted. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:02, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Reliable resource.

Hi, I have been trying to create a Wikipedia page, I have noticed that one of the citations comes from Vocal.media, I haven't heard of this medium before. Does Wikipedia consider it a reliable resource or not (I don't want to be bitten/have my page deleted because of one reference!)--HK2267 (talk) 17:35, 7 May 2020 (UTC) HK2267 (talk) 17:35, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

HK2267 , see this page --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 17:37, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello HK2267! Based on "Vocal is powered by creators of all kinds and their stories." this seems WP:USERG to me, so, not of much use. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:40, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

The Invisible Gorilla

Hi, I just joined the wikiprojectbooks and added the information in Talk:The Invisible Gorilla. This is to be added to the WP entry The invisible Gorilla After this I need some WP editor to do the redirect they told me. Thanks so much! DrDelaTorre (talk) 16:54, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

DrDelaTorre, I'm completely ignorant on this topic, but isn't what you posted at Talk:The Invisible Gorilla more about Invisible Gorilla test than that particular book? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:24, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi well yes but previous WP editors redirected me to this but maybe it was my mistake, I did not see that entry. I think you are right! the addition could go there. Can you tell me where is the talk page to add the suggested text?

Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by DrDelaTorre (talk • contribs) 17:42, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

That would be Talk:Inattentional blindness, it's a section in that article. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:45, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you I think I did it, I hope I did it right! please let me know, thank you very much

How to plait your hair

 Pabza (talk) 17:51, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey Pabza and welcome to the Teahouse. Perhaps take a look at the article on Plaited hair and see if it contains the info you're looking for. In general, this is a forum for questions on contributing to Wikipedia. Hillelfrei talk 18:03, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Talk page

Well now we have a teahouse host asking a question! I actually don't know the answer myself, so I want to ask my question:

I don't want to keep my talk pages archives (for my talkpage I'll just blank everything and let it be) because I am no longer active here anymore. Also There's no point for me to be archiving newsletters. It says not to tag as a U1 (user request) can I tag it as a g7 (author requests deletion)? The only time I will ever edit here is on the 16th of every month for wp:TWW and to undo vandalism occasionally. (and answering teahouse questions sometimes) ----Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 17:34, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Thegooduser. I am sorry you plan to be less active, but you can always resume activity later if you so choose. We do not normally delete user talk pages under any CSD, (or by any other method) because the history of the talk page should be preserved. However you may, if you wish, blank the page or delete whatever sections you wish -- the history will still be there. Archiving a tyalk page is never required, although it is often a good idea. Existing archive pages (in your user space), as opposed to your main user talk page, can be tagged with a U1 or a G7, either should work. You can also post on your user poage, or talk page, or both, a notice abo9ut your limited activity level, which you can remove or alter if that changes later. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 17:57, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
DES, there are about 137 revdeled revisions on my userpage, Is it going to cause a problem that the history is not visible? The Edit summary's are visible though. I am planning to move on to simple english wikipedia, that's why I am not active here. If the archives are in user talk space, they can't be deleted? moving to userspace to delete ----Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 18:10, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
I should have said user space or user talk space above, archive pages (not the main user talk page) in either should be fine for U1 deletions.
The history of your main user talk page would become much harder to access, should there be need, if that page were deleted rather than blanked, and the prsctice, and i think the policy, is against doing that. But no one will object to blanking plus archive deletion, I think. Does that help? DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:35, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
DES If needed I can request a WP:refund to the page. gonna delete the archives now. thanks --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 18:37, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

mischievous IP user

I came across this bogus edit from an IP user.

Looking at some of the other recent edits from this specific IP, most of them get reverted. I presume this editor (I use the word with some apprehension) will sometimes get assigned nearby IPs (what's an appropriate prefix for an AT&T IPv6 customer range? /48? /56?). Anyway, I am just curious if there's any reasonable way to deter such behavior or otherwise mitigate such mischievous activity. Fabrickator (talk) 03:06, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Fabrickator I think the info you're looking for is WP:RANGE. Does that answer your question? Hillelfrei talk 04:43, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
In general a /64 suffix will be used for such range blocks for IPv6 editors, hence 2600:387:0:809::/64 in this case. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:51, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
@Fabrickator: A /64 is normally the equivalent of a single IPv4 /32 address. I usually check ranges in increments of 8 bits, as you suggested (i.e., /56, /48, /44) to find other contribs by the same user (and potential collateral). Addresses on some mobile networks unfortunately tend to be less clustered, unfortunately, than cable/DSL providers that use more regular geographic allocations. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 14:36, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Hillelfrei, David Biddulph, AlanM1: Thanks for the info on blocking by IP address and on IPv6 address ranges. Fabrickator (talk) 18:48, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

picture from language russian wikipedia to english

Hullo! I am adding information to the entry in english language wikipedia about Yevgenia_Pobedimova from russian language wikipedia (as suggested by the tag at the top of the page). How to I add the picture? It is мини|320px in russian script but does not seem to be recognised in english language wikipedia. --MerielGJones (talk) 16:29, 7 May 2020 (UTC) MerielGJones (talk) 16:29, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, MerielGJones and welcome to the Teahosue. If the image was stored locally on the Russian Wikipedia site, it will not be recognized on the en.Wikipedia site. It will have to be uploaded to this site, or better, to Wikimedia Commons. This will depend on the source of the original image, and the license under which it was uploaded. If it is under a free license, such as CC-BY-SA, a copy can be downloaded to your computer, adn then upol;oaded to commons. See Moving files to Commons, Help:Files#Uploadign files, and Uploading images for more information. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 16:58, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Thank you for the advice. I had not realised that different langaue wikipedias had different rules about image use. The information with the file says: This file is not free (does not meet the definition of a free work of culture ). In accordance with the decision of the Wikimedia Foundation, it can be used on the Russian Wikipedia only if the criteria for fair use are met. Any other use (both in Russian Wikipedia and outside it) may be a violation of copyright. Justification for fair use for the article

Pobedimova, Evgenia Georgievna Purpose of use: Image of the main object of the article (paragraph 3 of the VP: KDI ) Replaceability: This is a non-free photograph of a deceased person. It is impossible to take a new photo, which in the absence of alternative photos with a free license can serve as a justification for the conscientious use of photography to illustrate an article about this person. I guess this means it cannot be used in an english language wikipedia? --MerielGJones (talk) 19:09, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

5G article

Regarding my edit to 5G article which is considered as promotion purpose: would you guide me why so I can avoid the same problem the next time? since massive MIMO is a proposed technology in 5G because mmWave frequency range is assigned in 5G (which means millimeters wavelength), in consequence massive MIMO can be possible when the half Lambda (for beamforming) antenna arrays distance form each other can be met in a smaller area size.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/5G Farzaneh.mostafaei (talk) 08:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@Farzaneh.mostafaei: Welcome to the Teahouse! As part of the Wikipedia:Bold, revert, discuss cycle, you boldly added some information to the article, and another user reverted your edit. The next thing to do is for you to discuss it at the article talk page: Talk:5G. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 16:27, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
@Farzaneh.mostafaei: I actually checked the link added while monitoring changes to Wikipedia and noticed that that link may not comply with our policies on external links. Generally, we do not allow external links to blogs or promotional websites unless if they are added by an established contributor in a neutral fashion. Other links usually get deleted. Thanks for reaching out with your question, though, and have a nice day/night! Aasim 19:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

I have made a new page but its a draf how to move it

 Courtesy link: Draft:Convenience store saet-byul

 Sushjs (talk) 19:31, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sushjs: I advise you to fix up on the formatting before submitting it for review, particularly with WP:HEADINGS and finding one or two more reliable sources. If you feel you're ready to make it a draft, add {{subst:AFC draft}} to the top, save it, then click Submit my page for review! —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:35, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Public figure

How do I determine if someone is a Public Figure? The reason I am asking is, I found an article John Draper where someone removed allegations made against this person (Who is alive), according to Wikipedia policy if the person is not a public figure it should not be mentioned and if the person is a public figure the allegations should stay there and I should revert the edit that removed it. Csar00 (talk) 21:17, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Csar00 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I think you are putting the cart before the horse in that the sources for that information are at least questionable. If there is a case to be made for including the information, it should be made on the article talk page. 331dot (talk) 21:23, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
331dot Thank you for the fast reply! The sources do seem to be reliable, and it was already reverted by another editor to re-add the allegations. If I am incorrect please let me know. But I think if he is not considered a Public Figure I should remove the allegations... Again thank you for the fast reply! Csar00 (talk) 21:31, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Having trouble figuring out how to edit tables.

I found an actively updated page on the EPA site that includes all superfunds, neatly sorted by state. I believe it to be obvious that state superfund lists on here should match the EPA superfund lists for accuracy. I'd like to fill in missing information, as well as add sections for the NPL status, and any SAA agreements. However, I can't make heads or tails on how the table formatting works. Darwulf (talk) 00:03, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Hey Darwulf thank you in your interest to improve Wikipedia, Did you try doing a visual edit? in the top right corner after when you click edit source, you should see a pencil click it and then select visual edit. I hope that helps! :) Csar00 (talk) 00:12, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Csar00 Thanks that helps a ton!Darwulf (talk) 00:15, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Darwulf So glad I could be of help to you good luck editing!! :) Csar00 (talk) 00:30, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello again, Darwulf. Table syntax can be a bit complex, and those tables included a lot of data. Did you look at Help:Table and particularly Help:Table# Basic table markup summary? That includes most if not all of the markup needed to read those tables. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 00:16, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Dr. William Longshaw

I went on my cousins wikipedia page, Dr. William Longshaw. I noticed some errors on this page. How do I go about changing his birthplace. He was born in Manchester, England not Manchester Virginia. I have tried twice to change his birthplace, but I'am told I can't do that. Can anyone tell me what I can do?

Thank you Longshaw (talk) 18:59, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, according to the source here [7] he was born in Manchester Virginia, where is your source that says he was born in Manchester, England? Theroadislong (talk) 19:09, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
And that William Longshaw Jr. died in 1865. It would seem there is no Wikipedia article about your cousin.--Shantavira|feed me 19:34, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
@Longshaw: Since you already received an answer at Wikipedia:Help desk#Dr. William Longshaw, you shouldn't also post the same question here. GoingBatty (talk) 00:57, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

William Saroyan article: Edits deemed not constructive - adding confirmed publishing information

I am the archivist at a family archive for William Saroyan. I added publishing dates for his books/stories, and also a song that he wrote. The institution I work at is not for profit, and I did try to add it as an external link, as it provides copious information about the writer for free and to the public. Why are these deemed unconstructive?

Article page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Saroyan ForeverSaroyan (talk) 00:53, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@ForeverSaroyan: Welcome to Wikipedia! I suggest you start by reading Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. Then please review Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. You boldly acted in good faith to try to improve the William Saroyan article, and another editor reverted your edits. The next step is to discuss your suggested edits at the article talk page: Talk:William Saroyan. Please disclose any conflict of interest you may have, and provide any independent reliable sources you have that support your changes. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 01:04, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

New Albion information box

On the article, New Albion, there is an information box with a label I would like to change. The information box has Francis Drake listed as the founder. However, an editor made an excellent comment: it seems a bit odd to call it a "founding" if Drake didn't found anything (article states there was probably no settlement and no intent to leave one). Consequently, I have attempted to edit the information box so that it reads claimant instead of founded by. However, I am unable to do so. Might there be someone who can provide assistance with this matter? Kind regards to the Teahouse helpers.Hu Nhu (talk) 01:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC) Hu Nhu (talk) 01:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Hu Nhu: Looking at the parameters in Template:Infobox settlement, one way to do it would be |blank_name=Claimant and |blank_info=Sir Francis Drake. GoingBatty (talk) 02:11, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Question on how to make right sidebar boxes on user page

How do I make those right sidebar boxes on your user page? Like the ones about what languages you speak, what you are interested in, what wikipedia medals you have, etc. Sorry if I formatted this wrong, I'm new. Say something on my user page/user talk page if i did something wrong. Thanks. Josh Theta (talk) 02:28, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Josh Theta: Welcome to the Teahouse. Those are called userboxes; for more information you can read more about them here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 02:35, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Search article by protection level

How do I search for articles based on their protection levels? 47.152.145.95 (talk) 01:55, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

You can see Special:ProtectedPages and customize your parameters, incl. edit/move protection, level of protection, namespace and size. Also note the redirects. Eumat114 formerly TLOM (Message) 03:38, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

In Karl Schroeder#External links, there's a "permanent dead link" titled "Adaptationism Fails to Resolve Fermi’s Paradox, Serbian Astronomical Journal, Vol. 170, pp. 89-100 (2005), by Milan Cirkovic with Ivana Dragicevic and Tanja Beric-Bjedov." However, by using archive.org, I found that the linked document still exists, just at a slightly different url. That is, http://www.aob.bg.ac.rs/~mcirkovic/cir-170.pdf becomes http://mcirkovic.aob.rs/cir-170.pdf

I tried looking at Wikipedia:Link rot but I'm not sure which section of guidance to follow here; can someone recommend which markup to use to repair this link? Metaclassical (talk) 03:52, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Metaclassical: Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I found the article on a Harvard server and have linked it to that URL. Can't comment on whether it is a relevant item to have in the external links section, but it's fixed.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:04, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

WikiProject

Please Give me a Task Force for the Wikipedia:WikiProject Carnival. It was made yesterday but does not have a Task Force—Yet
 Martian-2008 (talk) 06:42, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Martian-2008, Howdy hello, and welcome to the Teahouse! We're glad that you're here, and that you're interested in putting a new WikiProject together. You can read our guidance about Task forces here, and what they are. You don't have to take my advice, but I would actually recommend against a task force for the time being. New WikiProjects can easily get over extended, and task forces are usually better suited to when a WikiProject has an excess of contributors or too large a focus area. For example, I like to edit birds, and part of WP:BIRD, the Bird WikiProject. Despite a very large area of interest, we have only two task forces, Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds/Domestic pigeon task force (which isn't even active, because it has no members), and Wikipedia:WikiProject Birds/Poultry task force. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 06:58, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

New Card Game (using standard deck of playing cards)

My friends and I invented a new card game using a standard deck of playing cards. It has all the elements of a great game: luck, strategy, memory, competition, and easy to learn. We have taught a few dozen people how to play and it seems to be spreading in our home states. I want to publish the instructions. Is this an appropriate article/topic for Wikipedia? Schaferjake (talk) 03:36, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Schaferjake: hello and welcome to the Teahouse. the short answer is no, as we do not usually publish articles on things that people have recently invented or come up with. Once there are a half-dozen newspaper articles about the game, then it will be time for an article. But it will preferably have to be written by someone independent of the game, per WP:COI. Hope this helps.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:59, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Another essay explaining this is Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not for things made up one day. --Drm310 🍁 (talk) 05:43, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Schaferjake, Wikipedia will not accept an article on you game until several reliable independent published sources (such as newspapers) have written about it. For a way of getting its rules published online, see https://www.pagat.com/invented/ . Maproom (talk) 07:34, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

I want to create a page for a startup that i am not affiliated with

I have lots of experience in the startup world and there are many of them that don't get featured online due to lack of PR, press, etc but they do lots of great things, i.e. helping other communities, some of them are social entrepreneurship based. In some cases these startups are getting wrong publicity due to competitors (as they are stirring the markets). So i want to make a page for a startup that I am not affiliated with but I am seeing them as very useful information for wikipedia readers. they are for profit but they help the community as well. what would be the steps for this to create the page ? i am not affiliated in any way with them but i feel they need more references online especially on wikipedia, because some other newspapers are writing unclaimed fake-news type articles about them and that's detrimental to a startup that is trying to help local communities. thank you! Thomasjsteph330 (talk) 03:06, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Thomasjsteph330, hello and Welcome to the Teahouse. You can get started here: WP:YFA. Once you have a draft that you think is finished, you can submit it and it will be reviewed by experienced editors. If you want to tell us the name of the startup, we may be able to have a look to see if enough reliable sourcing exists for an article. Happy editing. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 03:13, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Thomasjsteph330. I'm afraid that, like many people, you have a misunderstanding of what Wikipedia is. It is no part of Wikipedia's purposes to tell the world about anything, no matter how laudable the thing may be: telling the world about things is called promotion in Wikipedia-land, and is forbidden. Wikipedia is only interested in subjects that the world has already taken note of - that's why we use the (admittedly problematic) word notable for the criterion, and I'm afraid that most startups are, by their very nature, not yet notable (see TOOSOON). You seem to be saying that there is a lack of existing reliable published sources about this startup: I'm afraid that that is more or less the definition of "not notable". --ColinFine (talk) 08:19, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

a new covid page

 Courtesy link: Draft:Covid-19 Sounds Apps

I have contributed a page which is relevant to COVID-19: how long would it take for it to get approved? It says it is a draft. It would be good if it was out in good time... Cam-boffin (talk) 07:55, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Cam-boffin: Whenever someone reviews it, they're not going to approve it.
New articles require notability, which is proven by citing, summarizing, and paraphrasing at least three professionally-published mainstream academic or journalistic sources that are not dependent upon, affiliated with, or otherwise connected to the subject.
What's more, sourcing for any statement relating to medicine is especially strict. In this case, primary studies aren't good enough, you need meta-analysis, WHO statements, or something else along those lines.
For an article on apps that diagnose Covid-19 via sound, you'd need the sort of sources discussed at WP:MEDRS to demonstrate that this is a noteworthy concept and either add that information to the Covid-19 article or else create an article on that. From there, you could find a governmental or academic list of apps or statements about the sort of apps that have been approved to diagnose via sound, and then you could write an article on the idea of the apps in general. Alternatively, once you have established the medical veracity of diagnosis via sound, you could find academic or government sources about a specific app (maybe a journalistic source or two that is cites statements from trustworthy medical professionals). Ian.thomson (talk) 08:15, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi, @Cam-boffin:. You’d incorrectly submitted the page (you should add “{{subst:submit}}” the way it is when editing in source editing mode), so I submitted it for you. I also looked through the article, and I feel that the article will need much more work in terms of formatting and besides, there is already a list of “COVID-19 apps”. So I believe that it’d be best to instead add this table (after improving the formatting) to the existing page. RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 08:21, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Disruptive editing

What is considered disruptive behavior here? ?? I was showing where I can exploit wikipedia. If I really wanted to misuse wikipedia, will I show you all that? Wouldn't I quietly work on the shortcomings? SoloWonder (talk) 15:51, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

@SoloWonder: The English Wikipedia's policy for disruptive editing can be found at WP:DISRUPT. -Examknowtalk 15:57, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks. Please specifically show me which part of that did I violate. And how? And how slow you need this exercise. I guess editors here may be part time volunteers. Otherwise how can someone sustain without earning out of this project? SoloWonder (talk) 16:00, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Just by looking at your contributions, you appear to have ignored specific instructions from other editors not to post generic questions at article talk pages. Please listen to your fellow editors when they try to help you. Thank you -Examknowtalk 16:05, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
"not to post generic questions" I took a quick glance at WP:DISRUPT. I didn't see this point in that write up. Please copy paste the part you are trying to highlight. SoloWonder (talk) 16:18, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

All of your posts are disruptive. If you want to edit articles, edit. So far, you are zero for article edits, 30 for article Talk and Teahouse comments. David notMD (talk) 16:27, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

"All of your posts are disruptive." Kindly then discuss 1 post which you consider as disruption. I do a long exercise in order to arrive at a judgement. Until I am not clear I don't edit. I some time discuss 1000s of lines. Is that a disruptive behavior? Judges take many months at times? If yes, that's not normal? I am not a mind reader. There by I need to ask/trick others to know their point of view. SoloWonder (talk) 16:37, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
SoloWonder, please note that we have actual articles on Sealioning and Wikilawyering. The responders on these Desks are familiar with such behaviors and are not inclined to indulge them, or to waste their volunteered time by responding to them. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 2.219.81.243 (talk) 17:29, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, what 2 said. You are now 0-31 for article edits versus comments that do not improve the encyclopedia. Clock ticking. David notMD (talk) 20:04, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Also, User:SoloWonder, when I wrote on your favorite page, Talk:Adam's Bridge, yesterday, assuming good faith that you actually weren't aware that you have a user talkpage which is full of advice and warnings, you suddenly abandoned Talk:Adam's Bridge. You still have not edited your user talkpage, User talk:SoloWonder, since then, or ever, and my WP:AGF is wearing a little thin. Please respond to at least some of the posts at User talk:SoloWonder before posting again here at the Teahouse. You can only get away with disruptive editing for so long by ignoring what other people tell you. Bishonen | tålk 23:34, 7 May 2020 (UTC).
Apparently they are here to "exploit" WP for our own good or something. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 08:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Got feedback from the Materialscientist (talk) 08:42, 8 May 2020 (UTC) that my edit was not constructive

Hi , I am a mite disappointed as a lot of work was put into my edit , I know the band personally and their was no biography in the initial Wikipedia which I included for the group Beggars Opera. The info reference is my own book called Seekers Guide to the Rhythm of Yesteryear which achieved a 4 star Rolling Stone award. I say this only for a sense of credibility. Its disheartening that you can remove an edit and make a statement without being specific that it is not constructive , I personally feel if this this is the way things happen its not worth my effort to just be bludgeoned off without constructive feedback? Shilohnoone (talk) 09:15, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Shilohnoone! About using Seekers Guide to the Rhythm of Yesteryear as a source on WP, see Never use self-published sources as third-party sources about living people, even if the author is an expert, well-known professional researcher, or writer. And if the people involved aren't alive, see the rest of WP:SPS. Also, since you know the band personally, see WP:Conflict of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:20, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Can I open a wikipedia page on behalf of someone else ?

 105.227.53.218 (talk) 10:17, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

If you are editing on someone else's behalf, you must read and comply with the conflict of interest policy. If you are compensated in any way(not just money) for doing so, you must also comply with the paid editing policy. You should also use Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft(you would have to if you remain an IP user or use a new account). You should also read Your First Article.
Wikipedia does not have mere "pages", it has articles. Successfully creating a new article is the absolute hardest thing to do here. You may wish to spend time first editing existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content. This increases your chances of succeeding at creating a new article. 331dot (talk) 10:32, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Ranveer Allahabadia

Hello, I try to live up to Draft:Ranveer Allahbadia on Wikipedia. But I do not have much knowledge of English and context. Please allow a little time to edit the article. I request you to help me. Mr. Bikaneri (talk) 09:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Mr. Bikaneri. Writing a new article for Wikipedia is one of the most difficult tasks there is in contributing to Wikipedia, even for native English speakers: trying to write one when you do not have much knowledge of English is going to be very much harder, and you are likely to have a difficult and frustrating experience. Can I suggest that you write in the Wikipedia of a language you know better - perhaps Hindi, or another one listed here? --ColinFine (talk) 13:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Mr. Bikaneri Please stop what you are doing. From looking at your contributions, you are posting requests on many editors' Talk pages pleading with them to help you write articles on topics you want to write about. Same for multiple requests at Help desk. All you are doing is annoying people and wasting their time. Either learn how to create valid drafts yourself or stop trying to get these article ideas written. David notMD (talk) 13:21, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Infobox

INFOBOX How to add "Genre" in Infobox Biography? Rachit.edunomics (talk) 11:55, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rachit.edunomics: Why are you trying to add a "genre" parameter to the infobox? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 12:02, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Creating content for an author, she has asked me to add her Genre which is "Crime-fiction" in the infobx. For example, JK Rowling's infobox has Genre "Fantasy,Drama...". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rachit.edunomics (talk • contribs) 12:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Rachit.edunomics: Then you are using the wrong Infobox at Draft:Richa Lakhera. You currently use Template:Infobox Biography which redirects to Template:Infobox person, whereas that for J K Rowling uses Template:Infobox writer. It would be daft to add genre 'function' to a page for a journalist, and to do so you woul dneed to change template, anyway. If you are friends with the author, you should declare your connection for clarity by following guidance at WP:COI. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:21, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Missing article: Five Mile Swamp Fire

Feel free to move this if it is not in the correct place.

I was surprised to see that Wikipedia does not currently have an article, not even a draft article, about the Five Mile Swamp Fire currently burning in Florida. This is a major wildfire in an area that doesn't see them frequently, and has resulted in hundreds of evacuations and the closure of Interstate 10. I looked through the requested articles page and couldn't find an appropriate place to list it for creation. 166.216.159.64 (talk) 13:18, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Articles are only created if someone is willing and able to create them. Requested Articles is severely backlogged and any request there might never be acted on. If you feel an article is needed, the best thing to do(if you feel comfortable doing so) is to create it yourself, which you can do using Articles for Creation. 331dot (talk) 13:20, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi IP 166.216.159.64. Wikipedia articles are WP:NOTNEWS so often there can be a lag between when something happens and when someone tries to create an article about. Unlike a newspaper or TV report, etc., Wikipedia articles aren’t intended to first-hand accounts of some breaking news story, but rather are only intended to reflect what reliable sources are saying. You might want to try asking about this at WP:FLORIDA or WP:WILDFIRE. Perhaps you’ll find others who can assess this per WP:NEVENT and be willing to work with you in developing an article. — Marchjuly (talk) 13:33, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

unique identifier duplicate

Zora Neale Hurston contains isbn=0684842300 and quote=isbn:0684842300.. if not considered duplicate, is it appropriate to use isbn number as quote. Leela52452 (talk) 15:15, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Leela52452: Just remove the |quote=isbn:0684842300. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 15:17, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Question about editing

Hi! I just up dated information on the english wiki-page Teaterförbundet. There is a new chairman, the name is wrong in english and the number of members. Immedately a user changed it back. What should I do to verify that my changes are right?? Please let me know /Tantsaras Tantsaras (talk) 14:50, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Tantsaras and welcome to the Teahouse. I gather this is about your recent edits to Swedish Union for Theatre, Artists and Media. First of all, is there a source that can be cited that gives the correct name in English? Next, can you provide proper metadata for the sources currently cited? Third (or perhaps first, please post to Talk:Swedish Union for Theatre, Artists and Media explaining what changes you are making and why? Please ping Mr.Sarcastic, the editor who reverted. Fourth if there is an English-language source which can be cited in addition it would help those of us who are not speakers of Swedish. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 15:23, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi Tantsaras. The editor who reverted your edit seems to be in the wrong here. You can re-change the information and leave an explanatory edit summary. But if the editor reverts your edits again after that, drop a message on their talk page as opposed to adding it again. Hillelfrei talk 15:18, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
@Tantsaras:.Thank you for clearing that out. I'll revert my edit if its already not done. You could have said this in the edit summaries. It would have helped to avoid such a revert. Anyways. Thanks Mr.Sarcastic (talk)

Finland postal strikes controversy 2019

I want to get Finland postal strikes controversy 2019 reviewed and indexed. Please help me. Ppt2003 (talk) 15:38, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

According to WP:NPP, there are 9695 total unreviewed pages. If it is not reviewed within 90 days, the NOINDEX tag will be removed at that time. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:11, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
@Ppt2003: I added {{WikiProject Finland}} to the article talk page in the hopes that other interested editors will help you improve the Finland postal strike controversy 2019 article. You could try deorphaning the article by adding links from other articles to the one you created. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 16:19, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

help me building a page

please help me creating a page anyone Tejaskapoor22 (talk) 17:40, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Which specific parts of the advice which you have received on your user talk page do you not understand? --David Biddulph (talk) 17:59, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

article approval

I have written an article for a class project and its been published, How long does wikipedia take to approve an article. MarvellousIgwe (talk) 15:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Walls, Murray B. Atkins has not been published (hence the word Draft). Your is a common new editor error because saving a draft requires clicking on the Publish changes box. It's Wikipedia's version of Save. David notMD (talk) 15:55, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @MarvellousIgwe: I see your draft at Draft:Walls, Murray B. Atkins. There are 1,450 pending submissions awaiting review, so it can take 2 months or more to be reviewed. You have not yet submitted the draft for approval, and your draft is not ready to be submitted. The draft title should be moved to Draft:Murray Atkins Walls (not surname first). The inline citations should be at the end of sentences, not at the beginning. Her name should be bolded at the beginning of the draft, but all the other bold should be changed to wikilinks (e.g. Butler University) or plain text. Keep collecting independent reliable sources and improving the draft. When you're ready to submit it for approval, type {{subst:submit}} at the top of the draft. There are a lot more suggestions at Help:Your first article. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 15:59, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
A Submit-when-ready box has been added. Fix stuff first. Once submitted, could be as soon as days, as long as months, for a reviewer to get to it. David notMD (talk) 16:04, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hi, MarvellousIgwe. I have added a header to your draft, with a button so that you can submit it for review. Since Wikipedia is entirely volunteer-created, there is no guarantee how long it will take before somebody reviews it: it may be almost immediate, or it could take months. You can carry on improving it while it is waiting for review. A couple of formatting points: 1) we don't turn people's names round in articles, so you should name her "Murray B. Atkins Walls". (Don't worry about the title of the draft: when a reviewer accepts the draft, they will move it to the proper name.) 2) We rarely use bold type in articles; but many of the phrases you have bolded should be wililinks to other articles. 3) Well done with putting in in-line citations; but they should come at the end of the sentence or paragraph (after the punctuation), not at the start. --ColinFine (talk) 16:06, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
@ColinFine: You meant wikilinks, didn't you? --CiaPan (talk) 19:13, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Copy-editing?

What is copy-editing? Is it good or bad? 2601:647:4100:10E2:6DE7:3C19:7FCA:45 (talk) 18:43, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP editor, and welcome to the Teahouse. Copy editing is the process of proofreading a work and making sure it does not have spelling or grammatical errors and means what it says. The main point of copy editing is to tweak the article to be fit for whatever publication it is in; for example, on Wikipedia copyeditors ensure that articles are up to encyclopedic standards. There is a group on here called the Guild of Copy Editors that focuses on this aspect of writing. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:46, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
{U|Tenryuu}}: while I agree with your answer, I think "means what it says" is unhelpful, since its meaning is obvious only if you know the printers/editors' jargon wikt:copy#Noun, meaning 3: "The text that is to be typeset.". --ColinFine (talk) 19:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Re-pinging Tenryuu. --ColinFine (talk) 19:30, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
@ColinFine: That's why I used the word "work" instead. "Means what it says" does sound a little vague, so I'll amend that to say "ensure that the writing conveys the intended meaning". —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:33, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

10 year old hoax?

Just found the Izana article through a unrelated page 3 article (though it does mention wikipedia in some other context). It was created by Hellspuppy (talk · contribs) whose only contribution is the creation of this article and a minor edit to another. It has one reference that doesn't even mention the word Izana. I can't find anything on Google about it. Seems like a hoax to me. Can someone investigate? TryKid (talk) 15:18, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

TryKid Looked into it a bit. The word is literally not mentioned online besides for websites quoting Wikipedia. It looks like a hoax to me. I'm not 100% sure though because it is an obscure topic so maybe that's why it's not mentioned. But in that case it probably fails WP:GNG. Any other opinions? Hillelfrei talk 15:23, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
It looks like the article was previously CSDed because it links from such an Index page, but I can't what the previous version contained. TryKid (talk) 15:51, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
@TryKid and Hillelfrei: This search shows Izana-mi is part of a Japanese creation myth, the name of a concept car, a UK pharma company, etc. A newspaper archive search found a race horse by that name in the 90s. Variations in spelling yield a resort in Belize (Itz'ana), lots of hits for Itzayana and Itzanaya. Probably not a total hoax. Is there a relevant active WikiProject? Maybe an expert at WP:REFD? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 16:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
@TryKid and Hillelfrei: Another possible variant from Mayan tradition is Itzamna. There is also a Spanish (Basque?) surname, Itzaina. Just to clarify, I'm not defending the article in its current state – it's not encyclopedic and the single source is obviously unsuitable. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 19:21, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
There are surely lots of other variations that relate to Inca civilization, but it's very likely that the original creator didn't have any of that in their mind and the creation is a total hoax. I'm going against AGF here, but the presence of a completely unrelated reference and other circumstances mean that this is the most likely scenario. TryKid (talk) 19:36, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

What's wrong with this page?

Hey there, a friend and I were at an online conference recently and were curious about how to create a Wikipedia page so we put one together about a friend of ours who we thought was pretty notable.


I wanted to know if there were any mistakes we made as the article was marked for speedy deletion.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:David_Awad
Draft:David Awad


Thanks for any help, happy to make any changes to learn from you all. Medit tech (talk) 18:34, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Medit tech: Welcome to the Teahouse. It seems another user has removed the speedy delete template for you, though I suggest you declare a conflict of interest on your user page and the article's talk page to facilitate the process; editors who have a conflict of interest are not encouraged to edit articles directly unless there's a biography of a living person violation once it gets into articlespace. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:39, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
It's now a submitted draft. Looking at I, I expect a reviewer to decline it as not meeting Wikipedia's idea of notability Wikipedia:Notability. And yeah, declare COI on your User page because you know the person personally. David notMD (talk) 19:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

"Requests for adminship" text

The text "2 requests for adminship are open for discussion" text appears at the top of my watchlist. Why?



TTL GS TTL GS (talk) 20:11, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi, TTL GS. Appointment of admins is a public process, that anybody may participate in. So the organisers have decided to put a notice on everybody's watchlist telling them when there are candidates being considered, in case they wish to contribute to the discussion. You can hide it by picking "dismiss". --ColinFine (talk) 20:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Understood. TTL GS (talk) 20:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)TTL GS

Looking to create a biographical page for an organization CEO. No red link for her name exists yet.

Hello,

I am looking to draft and have vetted a biographical page for Mary Woolley, President and CEO of Research!America.

It has come to my attention that she had a page previously, but it was retracted for reasons I am unaware of. I want to learn the steps I can take to remedy this situation and produce an objective, non promotional and nonpartisan account of Mary Woolley's life.

There is another woman with the same name that has Wikipedia page Mary Emma Woolley. I am not looking to change that page at all. Without a red link to start a page for Research!America's Mary, where would I begin? Importantly, how can I have my content vetted by a Wikipedia admin, so that the information can remain compliant and published?

Thanks in advance for assistance that can be offered on this. Markvoneisen (talk) 13:02, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

What is your connection to Mary Woolley? Know her personally? Being paid to attempt to create an article? By the way, what Wikipedia has are 'articles,' not 'pages.' Once an article exists, any editor can edit it (within certain limits). There is no ownership. David notMD (talk) 13:35, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
(ec) Hello Markvoneisen! Consider the advice given here: User talk:R!A Editor. It seems one reason it was deleted was that it was copypasted from elsewhere, which is a BIG no-no on WP. If WP:COI applies to you, follow the directions there. Also take the time to read WP:BASIC, WP:BLP and WP:YFA. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:40, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Markvoneisen: I suggest reading WP:YFA carefully if you hadn't and to use the article creation wizard to make a draft. Prepare at least three reliable and independent sources. When you are ready to have it reviewed, click Submit my draft for review!. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 13:42, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello, Markvoneisen and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia once had an article entitled "Mary Woolley". The content was apparently copied from http://www.researchamerica.org/mary-woolley and it was removed as a copyright violation in 2017, and converted into a redirect to Mary Emma Woolley. I would suggest starting a draft at Draft:Mary Woolley If the draft is written in a neutral and non-promotional manner, and if it cites sources sufficient to demonstrate the |notability of this person, it could be moved to the main article space after a review, and the reviewer would take care oif adjusting the redirect and doing any needed disambiguation to distinguish between the different but similarly named people.
The key here is notability. This usually requires multiple independent published reliable sources. That means sources not written or controlled by Woolley or by her employer or associates. It also means sources which discuss here at some length, not a mere passing mention or directory entry. There should normally be at least three such sources. Please read Wikipedia's Golden Rule and Your First Article before trying to create such a draft.
I must echo David notMD above and ask if you have any connection or association with Woolley that might constitute a Conflict of ZInterest or if you are being paid or compensated in any way to write such an article. Any COI should be disclosed as described at WP:COI, and any paid editing must be disclosed as described in WP:PAID. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 13:52, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
One more point, Markvoneisen. You write above of "remedy[ing] this situation": this presupposes that there is something wrong with the situation. There may be, but only according to Wikipedia's criteria, not to Woolley's. If Woolley meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability, then it will be a benefit to Wikipedia to have an article about her. If she does not, then it will be a benefit to Wikipedia for nobody to waste time on an article about her. The question of a benefit for the subject does not arise (see An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. --ColinFine (talk) 14:44, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks to everyone for offering direction here. I do indeed have a conflict of interest in that I work for her organization. However, this effort is part an initiative to heighten organizational transparency on multiple fronts — with a goal that is the opposite of increasing subjectivity. Given my brief research, Woolley certainly meets the criteria for notability. Unless this task should be the sole prerogative of an external editor(s), I am able and willing to curate a draft and submit to editors for vetting. Thanks for the assistance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Markvoneisen (talk • contribs) 17:26, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Markvoneisen, thanks for being open with your WP:COI. I suggest you WP:DISCLOSE, check Help:Introduction for how to edit, create a Help:Userspace draft, write your article, then see WP:So_you_made_a_userspace_draft#Ready!. Good luck! Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 18:37, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
As DESiegel noted, WP:PAID applies. And COI. Declare both on your User page. Advice: Craft a draft, and be as neutral point of view and reliable/independent source referenced as you can. Submit the draft to AfC. If accepted by a reviewer, it becomes an article. If declined, you can work to address the shortcomings the reviewer identified. AN IMPORTANT POINT (yes, I am raising my voice), once it is an article you are no longer supposed to directly edit the article. Instead, as PAID, you are to propose changes on the article's Talk page, so that an independent editor can either accept or reject. So, pays to be comprehensive before submitting. Lastly, give some thought as to whether this is better as an article about the person or the organization. David notMD (talk) 20:02, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Markvorneisen. I'm sorry to pick up on your phraseology again, but I think you're still not quite getting it. "An initiative to heighten organizatiohnal transparency on multiple fronts" is no doubt a very laudable goal, but it has absolutely nothing to do with Wikipedia. If having a Wikipedia article assists that goal, splendid, but you are tying your goal to a resource over which you have absolutely no control, and which is not remotely interested in whether your organisation benefits or not from there being (or not being) such an article. --ColinFine (talk) 20:30, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Editing Help Draft: dLocal

Hi, looking for help to edit this new entry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:DLocal I have only included independent sources but it still seems not enough, dLocal is one of my clients, so I am not neutral enough to finish the entry. Important to know, several Latin American Payment Solution Providers are missing, so is for example Ebanx, another payment service provider. There is no information on Google Books. There is on Forbes, but not on NYT, I have listed several references - all from third independent parties. I am happy to provide more background or information, and appreciate every help to finish this wikipedia entry. PaulanerPassau (talk) 20:47, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@PaulanerPassau:You might be looking for Wikipedia:Peer review. Jcoolbro (talk) (c) 20:51, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Barbara Borin, Pioneer TV Sports Anchor

I have submitted a draft article with several properly noted citations/footnotes, with the title as noted in the Subject/Headline here. After hitting Publish button, I have received no message via email or otherwise, that I have done so correctly. What happens next? Rrlegros (talk) 19:55, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

If you mean Draft:Barbara Borin, Pioneer TV Sports Anchor, it is still here waiting for someone to review it. You were not supposed to get any notification by e-mail or other means. Ruslik_Zero 20:11, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
@Rrlegros: There is no draft status template on the article; I have added it for you. Click on Submit your draft for review! when you are ready. However, I suggest you take a look at other articles to see how they are formatted, because I can virtually guarantee it will not pass review with the layout it has. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:53, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

editing or adding new information to existing WIKIPEDIA entries

I think I added the information on "the cosmic gorilla effect" at Talk:Inattentional blindness, I hope I did it right! please let me know, thank you very much DrDelaTorre (talk) 19:30, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@DrDelaTorre: You have done your part. Interested editors will determine if it worth adding to the article. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

help please

ProClasher97 did this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Information.svg Cattttas (talk) 20:26, 8 May 2020 (UTC)


@Cattttas:Hello, I don't understand your question. please explain. Jcoolbro (talk) (c) 20:48, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Cattttas: ProClasher97 posted a message on your talk page to say that your edit was removed. I see that ProClasher97 kindly has posted a clarification since then. Note that {{ping}} is a nice template you can use when you want to alert another editor to a talk page. GoingBatty (talk) 21:43, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
@Cattttas: Because we are here purely to build an encyclopaedia, experienced editors will often gently warn new editors if they stray and make inappropriate edits. So, this first edit of yours is not appropriate, nor is the posting of a business website link on your userpage. Please remove it immediately, as we regard this as PROMOTION, which is not accepted here. Many thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 21:53, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Editing Title of the article

I created a new article Draft:Raamish Siddiqui

I wish to know why the title of the article appears after the word 'Draft'? Is it an error from my end? or can it be edited.

Looking forward for your support.

Regards Buzzmedia20 (talk) 21:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Buzzmedia20: Welcome to the Teahouse! You created a draft, which then is reviewed to see if it is suitable to become an article. I added a template at the top of your draft, so you can click the [Submit your draft for review!] button when you're ready. However, the draft is not ready for submission. Be sure you read WP:BASIC for Wikipedia's notability requirements for people, and ensure you add more independent third-party reliable sources. Many of your references are written by the subject of the article. Many statements in the article do not have a reference, including everything in the "Early Life and Education" section. Wikipedia also has a manual of style for articles - I suggest you review MOS:SURNAME and MOS:ITALICS in particular. Good luck with your draft! GoingBatty (talk) 21:57, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict)@Buzzmedia20: Your article is still in draft form. It has not been submitted. I would wait before submitting as there are several problematic areas, including an excessive amount of sources attributed to the subject. It is better to include references that are independent third party sources that discuss the subject, instead of things he has written. You want this to pass WP:GNG before you submit it. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:00, 8 May 2020 (UTC)


Ask

 Courtesy link: Wikipedia:Help desk § Why?

Why, I can not edit wikipedia english? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wira sapta12 (talk • contribs) 21:48, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Wira sapta12: Question asked and answered at the help desk. Please don't ask the same question in two places - it makes more work for the volunteers. TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 21:56, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
FYI
 – combined consecutive sections by the same editor. GoingBatty (talk) 22:10, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Help me, please

First of all, I entered the official English Wikipedia page. I created a wikipedia account, after I created an account why I can't create a new page. why is that? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wira sapta12 (talk • contribs) 21:59, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Wira sapta12: please read the responses to your earlier posts before posting again. See the help desk. A stub about yourself is never going to be accepted. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) TimTempleton (talk) (cont) 22:02, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Look over edited page

Hi, I am trying to improve my school's Wikipedia page. I just wanted to be sure that I did everything right and any suggestions moving forward Rivier_University. Thank you, everyone. Ghoyt98 (talk) 23:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ghoyt98: Independent reliable sources would be great. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 23:29, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Lack of references in an article

Hi, I am editing articles on the community portal listed for original research or referencing issues. This article on Canon Punch Park seems to be written entirely from original research. I tried looking for reliable sources online, but couldn't find any. What's the best way to deal with such articles? It is already tagged for lack of citations and essay-like writing style. Thanks. NawJee (talk) 23:45, 8 May 2020 (UTC) NawJee (talk) 23:45, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

@NawJee: I tagged it for {{notability}} and marked it for attention by WP:WikiProject Gaelic games. If these don't work, the next step would be the WP:Articles for deletion process. GoingBatty (talk) 23:53, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Lacks sources

I made a page for a band here -> Draft:Rock of Jericho, but I keep getting declined of being published because of lack of sources. I need help please. OTHHercules (talk) 01:27, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@OTHHercules: Welcome to the Teahouse. There are no reliable sources supporting your content. These sources are essential to every Wikipedia article as it provides a place to verify the information. If you need help with referencing, please see WP:REFBEGIN. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:33, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Operation Identification Page

I am interested in the Operation Identification page. It's a very old strategy that has finally found its way to Wiki. I have made a number of edits and links to other pages. I see it has some problems, but I'd like feedback on what to do to get it out of Drafts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Operation_Identification Maize22 (talk) 00:48, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@Maize22: Now that Rotideypoc41352 kindly submitted the draft for you, you can see the template at the top of your draft asking for your patience. I suggest adding more independent reliable sources to your draft. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 02:21, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Archives

Simple question, how do user-talk pages get archived? Neararena (talk) 02:09, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@Neararena: If you would like your user talk page to be archived automatically, see User:Lowercase sigmabot III/Archive HowTo. You can view the code at my talk page as an example if you like. GoingBatty (talk) 02:24, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Thank you! Neararena (talk) 02:42, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Sock votes on AFDs

Is it more standard practice to strike through, remove, or mark votes in an AFD discussion made by a blocked sock? The discussion in question is Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hex Combat, and a user came along, added references to a fictional novel that has absolutely no relation to the subject of the article, and was then blocked as a sock. The user (User:CombustibleTaco) has also admitted to being a sock [8]. What's the best way to deal with this? Hog Farm (talk) 02:28, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Hog Farm. AFDs are not really a WP:!VOTE per se; so, if you have concerns of WP:SOCK or WP:MEAT, you can add something like {{Not a ballot}} to the top of the page or templates like {{Csp}}, {{Single-purpose account}} or {{Canvassed}}, etc. to individual !votes if you feel its needed. Administrators closing AFDs, however, are generally quite familiar with the kinds of problems an AFD can attract and usually do take a closer look at things before assessing whether a consensus has been reached; they tend to ignore !votes not really based in policy or guidelines, or which seem to be made by questionable accounts. You can strike such !votes if you like and are 100% sure you're right per WP:EVADE, etc., but I wouldn't advise edit warring over such a thing if reverted. If things get too out of control, you can always seek help at WP:AN to ask an administrator to intervene.
In this particular case, I think you've handle things fairly well. You followed WP:BITE and asked for clarification. Sticking to discussing content and avoiding commenting on contributors will allow the reviewing admin to remained focused on the other editor's edits and help keep the drama that often occurs at AFDs to a minimum. The other account has been indefinitely blocked, which is something the reviewing admin will most likely see; so, that !vote is almost certainly going to be ignored. -- Marchjuly (talk) 02:44, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Hog Farm: yes, strike the comments out. More info:

Some examples of appropriately editing others' comments are: [...] Removing or striking through comments made by blocked sock puppets of users editing in violation of a block or ban. Comments made by a sock with no replies may simply be removed with an appropriate edit summary. If comments are part of an active discussion, they should be struck instead of removed, along with a short explanation following the stricken text or at the bottom of the thread. There is not typically a need to strike comments in discussions that have been closed or archived.
— WP:TPO

Hope that helped! Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 02:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

How do I publish my wikipedia page draft please

I made a wikipedia page for a notable music company called Songwriting Works. I can't find any options to publish my page. I also can't find any way to send the draft in for verification. I would really appreciate help figuring this out. Thank you. Sophialukin (talk) 02:54, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Sophialukin, you can submit your draft by copying the text code below to the top of your draft, then press the ""publish" button, and, in the box that appears, press the blue button to Submit your draft for review!.
{{subst:submit|Sophialukin}}
--Quisqualis (talk) 03:16, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Sophialukin: I added the AFC draft template to the top of Draft:Songwriting Works for you, which has lots of helpful hints. I also see you are receiving help in the #wikipedia-en connect IRC channel, where helpful editors are explaining why you're not ready to submit the draft for approval. Be sure you disclose your paid contributions per WP:PAID and then follow the instructions at Help:Your first article about gathering independent reliable sources and rewrite the article based on what they say to demonstrate the notability of the organization. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:22, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Requirements for a Biography

I would like to know the requirements for putting up a biograpgy on Wikipedia. OmoOise (talk) 04:32, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@OmoOise: See Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide, Wikipedia:Notability (people), Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography and Help:Your first article. GoingBatty (talk) 04:35, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hi OmoOise. If you’re asking about whether you can create a WP:ARTICLE about another person, then please take a careful look at Wikipedia:The answer to life, the universe, and everything, Wikipedia:Notability (people) and Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. If, by chance, the person you want to create an article about is you yourself, then also please take a look at Wikipedia:Autobiography and Wikipedia:An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. If you after looking at those pages I listed above you have any questions, feel free to ask them here at the Teahouse.
Now if you want to create a user page and not an article, please take a look at Wikipedia:User pages. Pay particular attention to Wikipedia:User pages#What may I not have in my user pages? because that explains the most common problems or misunderstandings associated with user pages. — Marchjuly (talk) 04:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Interactive planning

 Attriu125 (talk) 06:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Attriu125, welcome to the Teahouse. What help or guidance do you need? I see you started an article on this topic in your sandbox (User:Attriu125/sandbox) which was rejected. It was too short, unreferenced and would - were it to be improved - potentially duplicate an existing article, entitled Interactive planning. If you feel you can usefully contribute to that page instead (by adding content based upon reliably published independent sources) then you may do so. Always avoid adding opinions of your own - which is not something we permit here. If you want to learn more about how Wikipedia operates, please try our interactive tour, called The Wikipedia Adventure. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 07:17, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi @Attriu125: and welcome to the Teahouse! What question(s) can we assist you with? Galendalia CVU Member \ Chat Me Up 07:17, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Kallista Victoria

Under "Kallista Victoria" I would like to add Sally Stokes, well known Sydney landscape artist www.sallystokes.com.au to this section. Sally Stokes lived and painted in Kallista in the 1980s.

Tony.scotland8 (talk) 06:34, 9 May 2020 (UTC) Tony.scotland8 (talk) 06:34, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Tony.scotland8: and welcome to the Teahouse! Anyone is able to edit any article, with that being said you can add that to the article AND include verifiable independent sources that states that fact. Galendalia CVU Member \ Chat Me Up 07:15, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi Tony.scotland8. I suggest that you take a look at Wikipedia:Namechecking and Wikipedia:Write the article first before adding Stokes’s name to the article. Sections in Wikipedia articles titled “Notable residents” basically mean Wikipedia notable residents and not simply well-known residents. The most basic criterion for inclusion in such sections is that the person in question already have a Wikipedia article written about them or be someone who could reasonably be expected to have an article written about them. Adding names to such list (even when supported by source) often leads to the name simply being removed, particularly when there’s no chance of a Wikipedia article ever being written about the person. Of course, things sometimes are on a case by case basis depending upon the actual article and whether specific criteria for inclusion have be established through article talk page consensus, but most cities, towns, etc. have quite a large number of residents that might be considered “notable” in some context and it’s impossible to list them all per WP:NOTDIRECTORY; so, Wikipedia articles generally only mention those who are notable from Wikipedia’s perspective. —- Marchjuly (talk) 09:38, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Noble title grant

Dear Sir, why did my Noble title grant was removed. Qdolci (talk) 07:29, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Qdolci Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. As you were told on your user talk page, you should not just post information about yourself; you need to show with significant coverage in independent reliable sources that you meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. Ideally, this is done with a valid article. You should not create one yourself, though, please review the autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 08:20, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Can a reference work.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Qdolci (talk • contribs)
Please edit this section to make your comments. Typically, in order to be listed in a 'notable people' list, there must first be an article about you. It would be best if you simply let independent editors take note of you in reliable sources and choose to write about you. Please understand that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. 331dot (talk) 08:45, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
"House of Homestead," from which you claim a hereditary title, is an unrecognized micronation in Andorra. Please stop trying to insert yourself into various articles or you will be blocked. David notMD (talk) 11:25, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Missouri populations

COVID-19 pandemic in Missouri

Many of the population figures appear to be incorrect. This is giving incorrect statistics in the last column (cases per 100k of population). Clearly St Louis county cannot have almost 50% of population infected with virus (hopefully). But not only St Louis county. There are several I saw that are significantly erroneous. Please could the author/editor review. Thanks


Alert Ted (talk) 11:42, 9 May 2020 (UTC) Alert Ted (talk) 11:42, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Alert Ted Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Articles do not typically have a single editor, but multiple editors. The best place for you to express any concerns about the article's content is on its associated talk page, Talk:COVID-19 pandemic in Missouri. I took the liberty of altering your article link; the entire web address is not necessary. 331dot (talk) 11:48, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

article submission was declined

Hello, Khaled basel! Having an article declined at Articles for Creation can be disappointing. If you are wondering why your article submission was declined, please post a question at the Articles for creation help desk. If you have any other questions about your editing experience, we'd love to help you at the Teahouse, a friendly space on Wikipedia where experienced editors lend a hand to help new editors like yourself! See you there! David.moreno72 06:50, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

 Khaled basel (talk) 06:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@Khaled basel: Welcome to the Teahouse! I believe you are referring to User:Khaled basel/sandbox/human inside. Writing a new article is a hard thing to do. I suggest you first contribute to Wikipedia by improving existing articles and discussing suggestions on article talk pages. Once you have a better understanding of Wikipedia:Manual of Style, you can try reading Help:Your first article. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 15:12, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

trying to help another user but

Ran across a user's edit that seems like it should be easy, but nope. I've read WP:INTERWIKI and WP:MOSLINK and tried playing in my sandbox without success. The user's question is how to link to another wikipedia's article. In this case the Netherlands article for a "Beppe Costa (acteur)" located at Beppe_Costa_(acteur).

Anyone got any suggestions, or can it just not be done? ToeFungii (talk) 19:56, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

ToeFungii, nl:Beppe Costa (acteur) is how, but caution is advised as they are very rarely appropriate. Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Linking#Interwiki_links advises using the {{Interlanguage link}} template. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 20:10, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
{{Ill}} will not work, because enwiki already has an article Beppe Costa but it's not about the same person as nl:Beppe Costa. --CiaPan (talk) 20:19, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
Thx. I put a note on the article spot so the wrong person won't be linked to and gave the info to the other user via their talk page. Up to them now. Thx for the fast help. Best of all I'm now a little smarter.ToeFungii (talk) 20:33, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
@ToeFungii: The syntax is shown at Template:ill. Included in this edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:03, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Beppe Costa [nl]. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 22:56, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
David Biddulph, your syntax doesn't work but usedtobecool's does. I'm going to add back the part of the note to not link it to the english guy's name so somebody's doesn't switch it because someone is likely to do it even with it pointing to someone else. ToeFungii (talk) 02:09, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Try looking at it again. What usedtobecool suggested was the same as what I had used. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:14, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
David Biddulph, This is what usedtobecool had (nl:Beppe Costa (acteur)) and this is yours (Beppe Costa [nl]). He's actually goes to the nl page, and yours goes nowhere. His 2nd post above is what you put. Now whether or not which is right, I don't know. This is another place that I was given to read about how to do it [Help:Interlanguage_links#Inline_links Here]. I'm guessing it doesn't work because of what CiaPan said. Regardless, the note I put back I think makes sense ESPECIALLY if there's a redlink because somebody will change it sometime to the guy on the en WP and the note I put back only said to not link to the en guy. But not a page I otherwise care about and was only trying to help someone and I gave him the info on his talk page so I'm out as I can't do any changes without 3RR. Thanks to all. ToeFungii (talk) 02:33, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
@ToeFungii: You are obviously having difficulty reading. If you look at the code of what usedtobecool suggested (in his message of 22:56 UTC), it is exactly what I included. The redlink which his code (& my identical code) gives is to Beppe Costa (actor). Did you try following the links, either from usedtobecool's reply above, or from what I put in the article? Please don't try to tell us how the ill template works when you obviously haven't read it. --David Biddulph (talk) 02:44, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
David Biddulph, when I use what you put it takes me to try and create a page. His from 2210 is what works. And thank you for telling me what and what not I have read. (Last reply because I feel attacked.) But thanks to all that help. ToeFungii (talk) 02:54, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello again ToeFungii, sorry I missed the conversation. The redlink is by design. It signifies that there is no article in the English Wikipedia; that's why clicking it takes you to a page to create one. If you want to clarify for other editors, you can add an WP:Invisible comment noting that there is already an article for a person sharing the name but it's a different one, so the link should not be changed. By design, the Dutch Wikipedia article is linked in the small [nl] after the redlink. That's why I said it is considered mostly inappropriate to link the articles from other Wikipedias in the way that I gave in the first instance. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 15:21, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

How i can translate from other language

 Omar Suwaidan (talk) 13:39, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@Omar Suwaidan: Welcome to the Teahouse! I hope the information at Wikipedia:Translation will answer your question. GoingBatty (talk) 15:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Akshay Kumar

Akshay Kumar is an actor,producer and tv presentor who works in hindi movies. Although he is holding canadian nationality but he is not canadian actor as he never worked in canadian movies.He is proudly working in bollywood and like to be considered as indian. Aligulla (talk) 15:40, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

The article already states (Personal life) that he has applied for Indian citizenship and intends to give up his Canadian citizenship. When that process is completed the Lead can be changed to no longer mention his Canadian citizenship. — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 15:54, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Request

I want to publish my new draft lakhahi Raj as a wiki page Preetikasingh (talk) 03:10, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

And how the info generated box is made on wiki page Preetikasingh (talk) 03:11, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@Preetikasingh: I see your draft at Draft:Lakhahi Raj. I added the AFC template to your draft, which has lots of helpful information on how to improve your draft before submitting it. I'm glad you're trying to use references, but the references need to be from independent reliable sources, not Wikipedia articles. All the information needs to be referenced, including the Genealogy section. See Help:Your first article for more helpful information.
There are many infoboxes on Wikipedia. For example, the Lakhahi article uses Template:Infobox settlement. GoingBatty (talk) 03:31, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Tell me how to add infobox settlement on draft — Preceding unsigned comment added by Preetikasingh (talk • contribs) 03:34, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Preetikasingh, Template:Infobox country is what you need. Lakhahi Raj is a former country.--Quisqualis (talk) 03:40, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
I don't understand what you are trying to say. Lakhahi is a former princely state and a estate in India — Preceding unsigned comment added by Preetikasingh (talk • contribs) 03:43, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
See how it's done at Jammu and Kashmir (princely state).--Quisqualis (talk) 05:14, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Lakhahi currently has a Wikipedia article, is this not the same place? Shouldn't you just instead add more history to that article? ɱ (talk) 06:16, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
I want to be Lakhahi Raj a new wiki page which will information about the Lakhahi before 1947 when it was ruler by Kings and queens — Preceding unsigned comment added by Preetikasingh (talk • contribs) 09:46, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Preetikasingh. While you may want to create a separate article about this subject, it may not be the best thing do from a Wikipedia standpoint, at least not at the current moment. It might actually be better for Wikipedia’s readers to expand the existing article about Lakhahi to include information about it prior to 1947. Then, perhaps at some later date, as more and more content is added about that particular period, the article could be WP:SPLIT into two articles.

My suggestion to you is to ask about this at WT:INDIA and see what the members of that WikiProject think about your draft. They might be able to help you bring in up to Wikipedia’s standards for articles or figure out a way to incorporate content from your draft into the existing article about Lakhali. If you try and the draft to the article namespace in its current state, there’s a good chance that someone will either nominate it for deletion, or they might redirect it to or merge it into the article about Lakhali. Trying asking for help and Wikipedia:WikiProject India and see what its members have to have. — Marchjuly (talk) 11:02, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

FYI
 – Merging section from below. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:47, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

lakhahi Raj

Kindly publish lakhahi Raj as a new wiki page — Preceding unsigned comment added by Preetikasingh (talk • contribs) 03:12, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Draft:Lakhahi Raj was Declined. You are welcome to respond to the reviewer's comments by improving the draft and resubmitting. Do not resubmit without improving the draft. David notMD (talk) 15:48, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

How i can make style mannual

help me out with manual style. 2405:204:A100:560D:0:0:17DD:78AD (talk) 16:03, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Wikipedia already has a style manual at Wikipedia:Manual of Style. If you could please provide more details about your question, we could provide additional information. GoingBatty (talk) 17:42, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Unblock

Sir please unblock me from editing. Xbotara (talk) 11:27, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

As far as I know you're not blocked, don't worry. If you were blocked you wouldn't be able to edit on here but I checked just in case and no you weren't blocked, only a warning msg :) 120.20.99.174 (talk) 11:33, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
@Xbotara: You are not blocked, but edits you made were reverted. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:20, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Do I have to give dates to notices?

Like ones such as More Citations Needed, or [who?]. Do these need dates or am I just adding unneeded variables? 120.20.99.174 (talk) 11:36, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

A bot usually dates them. The dates are useful for tracking, so that we can see things like how long an uncited statement has been there, allowing things like fixing the oldest problems first. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 11:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Thanks! I'll add them if I can and if not I'll leave it for the bot to doo. 120.20.99.174 (talk) 12:03, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
I don't think I've ever added a date to any 'citation needed'-type template that I drop onto a page. Life's far too short to manually do things that a bot will drop by and sort out soon afterwards. The only downside of not adding a date yourself is that when you check your User Contributions you will not see your last edit marked in bold as current. So you trot back to the page in question, all full of righteous indignation, wondering who's been changing it, only to find it's just the bot sorting out your own laziness! Nick Moyes (talk) 13:05, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
I'd go with something like "slightly tense curiosity", but yeah. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 15:22, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
I use WinCompose so it's just a couple keystrokes to add the date to save another entry in the edit history that people have to wade through, reduce transaction load, etc. (Yes, I know it's minimal) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 18:23, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

How do I flag/seek deletion of inappropriate content?

There is a page now called White Ethnic[9] which discusses a very poorly and conflictingly defined concept. The premise is that anyone who immigrated to the USA from outside of Britain and is not part of the Anglican Church is a “white ethnic.” The supposed history is the oppression and abuse of the white ethnic people, who are suggested to have a singular culture despite differing religions, nationalities, spoken languages, etc. They are also meant to be distinct by their socioeconomic class amongst the working classes, being oppressed then by the “ruling class” of wealthy Britons.

However, they do not once mention the Anglican Church in this article, as I assume the authors don’t know what they’re saying very well. They also list politicians from upper middle class backgrounds in their “white ethnic” group for the article. These were certainly not working class men. You can see the bungled attempt to make sense of their nonsense in the article with their chosen sources for yourselves...

Unfortunately, in addition to being wholly not encyclopedic, misusing many terms (which I have tried to address repeatedly) and lacking in any consistency or logical basis, this is actually an invented concept tied to the white supremacy movement. I think it should be taken down for those many reasons. [1] [2]

What is the process for that to happen? Kitkat9311 (talk) 18:22, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ https://www.cwu.edu/diversity/sites/cts.cwu.edu.diversity/files/documents/constructingwhiteness.pdf
  2. ^ https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ethnicity
@Kitkat9311: Welcome to the Teahouse! I can see that posted several times today on Talk:White ethnic. Note that it may take a while for another volunteer editor to reply. The criteria to "take down" an article is documented at Wikipedia:Deletion policy, while the process is detailed Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. Hope this helps! GoingBatty (talk) 18:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Kitkat9311. In order to have the article deleted, you would have to make a convincing case that the topic "White ethnic" is not notable. However, when I checked Google Books and Google Scholar, it became clear quite quickly that the topic has been written about extensively in the academic literature and entire books have been devoted to the topic. Accordingly, the appropriate solution is to work to improve the article instead of trying to delete it. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 18:47, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Misattributed Contributions

Not a new editor, but clueless as to where else to address this issue. I was looking at my list of Contributions and noted several supposedly made to Complications of Diabetes. I have made no contributions to that article, nor have I ever even seen it until I went and looked at it to try and figure out how or what I was credited for.

This is the list of contributions shown:

  • 08:19, 30 April 2020 diff hist -23‎ Complications of diabetes ‎ →‎Hypoglycemia current
  • 08:18, 30 April 2020 diff hist -26‎ Complications of diabetes ‎ →‎Hypoglycemia
  • 08:16, 30 April 2020 diff hist +2‎ Complications of diabetes ‎ →‎Hypoglycemia
  • 08:14, 30 April 2020 diff hist -47‎ Complications of diabetes ‎ →‎Hypoglycemia
  • 08:12, 30 April 2020 diff hist +163‎ Complications of diabetes ‎ →‎Hypoglycemia: CiteIrish Melkite (talk) 18:42, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
  • 07:55, 30 April 2020 diff hist +33‎ Complications of diabetes ‎ →‎Immune compromise: Correct citeIrish Melkite (talk) 18:42, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
  • 07:47, 30 April 2020 diff hist +2‎ Complications of diabetes ‎ →‎Hypoglycemia
  • 07:45, 30 April 2020 diff hist -6‎ Complications of diabetes ‎ →‎Hypoglycemia: Correct citationIrish Melkite (talk) 18:42, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
  • 07:34, 30 April 2020 diff hist +265‎ Complications of diabetes ‎ →‎Hypoglycemia: add Cryer syndrome and ref Irish Melkite (talk) 18:42, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

The comment, 'add Cryer syndrome' on the earliest of these, I can identify as belonging to action I took on List of eponymously named diseases, which I sporadically edit. The next entry on my list of contributions after the 8:19 contribution was, in fact, made to the referenced list article and I suspect that I probably made entries to that article at all the intervening time points attributed to the diabetic article as I spent considerable time that evening on the list. Having never encountered this before, here I am. Solution, please? Irish Melkite (talk) 18:42, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@Irish Melkite: Maybe try the Help Desk? Ed6767 (talk) 19:09, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
thanks, will try that Irish Melkite (talk) 19:19, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Creating a "Death of Giorgiana Masi" article

Hi! I have drafted a "Death of Giorgiana Masi" article in my sandbox about a significant event occurred in the Italian Years of Lead. Should I submit it for review or wait until tomorrow and become an autoconfirmed user, so I can create it myself? I looked around for some related Wikiprojects, but the only ones I found appear to be rather inactive. Thanks for your help! Chandragù (talk) 16:17, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Chandragù, I've had a look through the draft and moved it to mainspace. The sourcing appears to be alright, and it seems to be quite notable. It's quite a good first article; Well done. ~~ Alex Noble/1-2/TRB 18:18, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
@Alex Noble: Thank you very much! I hope the years spent reading Wikipedia articles paid off! I'll try to keep being of service. Chandragù (talk) 19:32, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

need help, I'm new at this

I am trying to publish and article about Doug Wilson. I do know him, he saved my life and that's why I think it's important that his good deeds are acknowledged. I might have a conflict of interest, if so how do I declare it? Also what am I doing wrong on my posting,I have had some comments but I don't really understand them. thanks Thumper1001 (talk) 13:18, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Appears you tried back in 2014, that effort was declined, later deleted as abandoned, as you had stopped working on it. You have some new content in your Sandbox User talk:Thumper1001/sandbox. This can be moved to draft and then submitted, but I can tell you it will be declined because it has no references and is not in Wikipedia style. It is possible that Wilson does not meet Wikipedia's idea of being notable, and thus no effort on your part can successfully make an article. As for the conflict of interest, you need to state on your User page that you know Doug personally. David notMD (talk) 14:28, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Thumper1001. It's wonderful that Wilson saved your life, and that you want to acknowledge him publicly, but Wikipedia is never the right place for that sort of thing. (I can't find a statement of this point exactly, but it's similar in spirit to NOTMEMORIAL). Wikipedia's articles are for the benefit of Wikipedia and its readers; if you edit it for the benefit of anybody or anything else, you are probably going wrong. --ColinFine (talk) 19:40, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Need help with editing Draft: Arnold S. Monto at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Arnold_S._Monto

I am a first time editor to Wikipedia. It was suggested that I move the bio creation I'm working on from my sandbox to a draft page. In doing some editing and adding citations to Draft: Arnold S. Monto, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Arnold_S._Monto, I'm afraid I've made things worse, not better. My citations are a jumble and I've no idea how it got to this or how to fix them. Can anybody help me to:

  1. Explain difference of footnotes and citations
  2. Since "works" and citations/references should be the same thing, how do I combine these into just one section. What should this section be titled?
  3. Need to correct numbering and syncing of citations, but can't figure out how without re-entering all the data again. Is there an easier way.
  4. Finally, is there any way I could get more one-on-one help? Should I be eliminating some of the info to make it easier with citations?
  5. Have I solved the notability issue with the additional citations? He is a very important figure in study of coronavirus and should be on wiki.

Thank you for any help you can provide. Terrimellow (talk) 18:44, 9 May 2020 (UTC) Terrimellow (talk) 18:44, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@Terrimellow: Welcome to the Teahouse. To answer some of your questions:
  1. Citations are mostly done as footnotes (the list is found in the references section). There are some articles that use inline citations but they are rarely seen on here as footnotes are most accepted.
  2. If you are citing information from sources that you have listed in works, please convert those into citations like the ones in references. You may use templates like {{cite book}} for your needs. If they provide more information on the subject but are not used to give information in the article, consider changing the section heading to "Further reading".
  3. I'm not sure what you mean by re-numbering and syncing citations. The software already does it for you depending on how early the reference was used in the article. I see that you have two orphaned citations up at the very top of the article that aren't citing anything; they should be moved to where they cite the information you give.
  4. I will leave this for someone else to answer.
  5. I notice that in the citations you have referenced Monto to be the author of many of the sources, which is not correct. Please provide the name of the authors of the sources, which are usually written in the byline. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:58, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
@Terrimellow: There are lots of recommendations in Help:Your first article and Help:Referencing for beginners. Note that works and References are NOT the same thing. Per Wikipedia:Notability (people)#Basic criteria, references should include "significant coverage in multiple published secondary sources that are reliable, intellectually independent of each other". GoingBatty (talk) 19:13, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

A lot of your references are useless and should be deleted. For example, current #10 and #11 are newspaper articles about specific diseases, in which Monto gets a one-line mention. Only cite published information which is about him. Basically, delete all the weak refs, all the content resting on those weak refs, and see if what you have left can be an article. David notMD (talk) 19:42, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

William Longshaw Jr

I have two uploads that I have of my cousin's birth. His name is Dr. William Longshaw. He was born in Russell Street, Manchester, Lancashire England on April 1836 and emigrated to the United States of America with his parents (William and Margaret from the Port of Liverpool, Lancashire England to New work arriving March 31, 1842 on board the ship 'Siberia) see Census England, Passenger List Arrival at New York March 31 1842, 1850 and 1860. U.S. Federal Census and U.S. State Census for Lowell,Massachusetts. I have photocopies of the census from Manchester, England 1841. William senior was 30 years old, Margaret 25 years old. William was 5 year old.

How can I upload the census for Manchester England? Longshaw (talk) 21:55, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Longshaw. Is "my cousin" really correct for a person who died in 1865? That sounds like a stretch. Unpublished primary sources are not acceptable on Wikipedia, but it is certainly possible that an old source made a mistake about his birthplace. The proper place for you to raise your concerns is Talk:William Longshaw Jr. where discussion is taking place now. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:08, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Reuben H. Markham

Thank you for reviewing my article. I will try to make the requested changes. Among other issues, I need to redo the references. Do I delete the existing reference first? Then insert a new one? My first reference is to an obituary in the New York Times dated December 31, 1949. When I go to Cite a newspaper article, a box pops up with a number of fields. I am not sure how to fill them out. Would it be like this? Last name: Markham First name: Reuben Title: Mr. URL: (leave blank?) Access date: May 9, 2020 Work: ? Agency: New York Times Issue: ? Publisher: ? Date: December 31, 1949 Reference: ? Reference name: Reference Group: ?

Thank you for your help. I am sorry I am not sure whether I am working in mobile view or Visual Editor. Ankara59 (talk) 20:52, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ankara59. When you cite a newspaper article, the last name and first name fields are for the author of the article, not the subject of the article. The title field is for the title of the article. The URL field is for a link to the article in the New York Times database. The date is the original publication date. New York Times is the newspaper name, not an agency. Reference name is an advanced feature for when you want to cite the same reference several times in the same article. Group is also an advanced feature. There is no need to mention the publisher of a very famous newspaper. The essential information when citing a newspaper article consists of author (if known), article title, date of publication and name of newspaper. URLs are useful but not mandatory. Access date only applies if you provide a URL, and it should be the date you read the source online. It is OK to leave fields blank if they do not apply or you do not understand them. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:39, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
User:Ankara59 - I reviewed and declined Draft:Reuben H. Markham. I did not decline it because of problems with the references, and not really because of concerns about biographical notability. I declined it because, as it is formatted, which is all run together, it is almost impossible to read, and it needs to be organized into sections with section headings. Because it is nearly impossible to read, I did not evaluate the subject in depth as to notability, but I did come to the initial conclusion that the subject probably is notable and probably should have an article. At this point, improving the references would be appreciated, but is less important than improving the layout. Please improve the layout and resubmit the draft. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:43, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

DYK and date of article creation

Hello Teahouse hosts. I believe, but I am not certain, that I have created the article Tracy R. Norris as of yesterday 9 May 2020. I am uncertain as the article is not complete with elements such as categories. And I am not certain if there are other processes it must go through to be fully accepted. As such, I hesitate to submit it for DYK--but I would like to. And this is a problem because I do not know when the requisite seven day restrictive window from article creation to DYK submission begins. Might you be able to help me with information regarding the matter? Kind regards to what has always been a responsive and helpful group, the Teahouse hosts.Hu Nhu (talk) 15:25, 9 May 2020 (UTC) Hu Nhu (talk) 15:25, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Article exists (congrats), and yes, you have seven days to submit a DYK. The article can continue to be improved before and after you submit. The person who does the DYK review may identify shortcomings of the article, which can then be addressed. David notMD (talk) 15:44, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
@Hu Nhu: Kudos to you for your work on this article. Per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Biography#Order of events, I wonder if the body of the article should be Education and experience (Civilian, Military), then Texas National Guard Adjutant General, and then Awards. I hope you can find additional independent reliable sources for the article. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:28, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Thank you User:David notMD and User:GoingBatty. I arranged the article as I did because I read on Wikipedia that the most important information should come first. I understand the order of events, too, and believe that this edit would improve the article. Thank you very much for your prompt and detailed response.
Since then, I've altered Tracy R. Norris significantly to address suggestions you both presented. i appreciate your thoughts.Hu Nhu (talk) 22:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

New learner-contributor who needs a patient mentor

Hi, I am new on this platform just started yesterday. I need to be an active contributor, hence I took an effort to learn.

I have a Masters degree, so I believe I can do research and write quality articles for professional use. My biggest challenge is in the end-to-end process of getting an article finally published.

I need someone who is patient to guide me through.

Ike Ike (talk) 22:43, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

User:Nextinvention - Please do not post your email address in Wikipedia. If you have saved your email address in your profile, editors will be able to send email to you. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:46, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello, Nextinvention. Start by reading and studying Your first article, and read the most relevant links in that essay as well. You can ask more specific questions here at the Teahouse. If you want a one-on-one discussion with an editor who has written over 100 Wikipedia articles, my talk page is open to you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 22:53, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
With all due respect, Ike, would you please tell us why you "need to be an active contributor"? What will happen if you cannot actively contribute to Wikipedia? --Quisqualis (talk) 22:57, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Tables

I know the basics of making a sortable table, but I'd like to have the first column as numbers which do not get sorted, so that no matter what is added where, the total number of rows/items is known. How do I keep the first column from being sortable? Valjean (talk) 22:35, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Valjean, welcome to the Teahouse. Do you mean you want the first column as numbers which do not get sorted? That is unfortunately not possible unless the column is a separate table, and then it only aligns correctly with the rest if every row there is a single line high. This may fail in narrow windows even if it looks right for you. See more at Help:Sorting#Auto-ranking or adding a row numbering column (1,2,3) next to a table. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:57, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
That was a typo. I'll check out the help. Thanks. -- Valjean (talk) 00:02, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Article title spelling

Hello, I was making some changes to the Naqab Zan article and noticed that while "Naqab Zan" is the transcription used by the sources cited, the channel that aired the show spells it "Naqab Zun", since there isn't really one standard for romanisation of Urdu. In this case, should I use the spelling present in secondary sources, or the channel's own per WP:ABOUTSELF? Thanks, M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 16:20, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

[NB: Query duplicated on Help Desk, where responses have been made. Please add any further answers there.] {The poster formerly knwn as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.24.23 (talk) 01:00, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Difficulty with Canadian Election table on Page: Omar Alghabra

My table looks how I want it to look on the edit page but different on the read page. I am not sure how to fix it. Please refer to 2019 Federal Election table in electoral record in page Omar Alghabra. Many thanks. Sahmed5127 (talk) 01:51, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@Sahmed5127:  Fixed - each template representing a row of the table needs to be on a separate line, so I added some line breaks. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:02, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
@GoingBatty: - Thank you for your help! Sahmed5127 (talk) 02:25, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Understanding of an error on my draft article.

Draft:Richa Lakhera is the article I am working on trying to publish it. But it seems there is an error saying ,"article may have been created or edited in return for undisclosed payments". I dont understand this please tell me how to remove this. Rachit.edunomics (talk) 02:44, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Rachit.edunomics. Another editor perceives that you may have some sort of commercial or financial connection to Richa Lakhera. So, please explain whatever connection you have with Richa Lakhera. I suggest that you read about Wikipedia's mandatory paid editing disclosure and the guideline about editing with a conflict of interest. Comply, please, if that applies to you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:58, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Picture

Disregard
 – OP blocked for sockpuppetry. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:05, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Question: Can I Please Add This Picture [[10]] To This Page, Storytime with Thomas ThomasAndFriendsDays! (talk) 18:03, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@ThomasAndFriendsDays!: Have you consulted WP:UPIMAGE? If it's from Fandom the licence should allow for uploading here. Also make sure that you properly attribute where you got it correctly. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:15, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

So, That Is A Yes? — Preceding unsigned comment added by ThomasAndFriendsDays! (talk • contribs) 18:17, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@ThomasAndFriendsDays!: As long as you provide the proper attribution, yes. This page gives examples on good attribution. You also never uploaded the image to Wikipedia, which is why the link got deleted in the first place. (Please remember to sign your posts on talk pages by typing four keyboard tildes like this: ~~~~. Or, you can use the [ reply ] button, which automatically signs posts.) —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:26, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

COI for investors

Hello,

I am wondering if being an investor in a company requires a COI disclosure. Simple example, suppose an editor has no links to the company whatsoever but holds shares in Apple, Inc., are they required to make a COI disclosure if they want to edit that page? And if so would this apply to editors who only have like one share, or only big holders who own a notable percentage? Thanks. Wikiman5676 (talk) 19:40, 8 May 2020 (UTC) Wikiman5676 (talk) 19:40, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, please see WP:PAY; ss an investor, you would have a conflict of interest.--Shantavira|feed me 09:24, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Interesting, I will keep that in mind if it ever comes up. Thanks. Wikiman5676 (talk) 06:08, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

SARS

What happened to SARS? I remember when SARS was breaking and all the reports by scientists and doctors were referring to SARS as Sudden Acute Respiratory Syndrome! But here it's referred to as SEVERE ACUTE RESPIRATORY SYNDROME! Do you realize severe and acute are redundant terms? I think someone has a lot of editing to do! 72.224.145.240 (talk) 01:36, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, a place to ask questions about editing Wikipedia. I see that the first reference on the Severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS) article is a reliable source stating that SARS stands for "Sudden acute respiratory syndrome". If you have suggestions for improving the article, please discuss them on the article talk page - Talk:Severe acute respiratory syndrome - with any reliable sources you have. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 01:47, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello, IP editor. As a general rule, Wikipedia article titles are based on the terminology used by most of the reliable sources discussing the topic in detail. In this case, the preponderance of sources use the "severe" wording as opposed to the "sudden" wording. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 02:49, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Aside from the source usage, which is the primary consideration, "Sudden Acute" would be redundant. Acute (medicine) says "In medicine, describing a disease as acute denotes that it is of short duration and, as a corollary of that, of recent onset. ... the core denotation of "acute" is always qualitatively in contrast with "chronic", which denotes long-lasting disease". —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 07:45, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Article declined for lack of notability

Hello, my draft on Draft:Scantrust was declined for lack of notability. However, based on my understanding on the assessment of notability for corporations described in ps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_(organizations_and_companies), there is a number of sources in the article which I believe contribute to establishing notability.

I have included at least 5 different articles which are exclusively about Scantrust, and were published in the most read newspapers in Switzerland (e.g. 20 Minuten, Le Temps, 24 Heures, L'Impartial/L'express, HandelsZeitung). A list of the top newspapers in Switzerland can be found here: https://www.4imn.com/ch/

Some of these sources are in French and some are in German, as Scantrust is a corporation based in Switzerland. Can these sources count towards notability? If they do not count, I would like to understand the reasons. And if they do count, then can the notability of the article be re-assessed by other reviewers?

Let me note that I have a COI which I properly declared, although I do not believe this should affect the assessment of notability. Many thanks for your help! Factfox (talk) 21:59, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Sources in German, French, etc., can contribute to establishing notability (though English-language sources are preferred here in en:WP, if available). Sources with only a mention of the subject cannot, nor can sources based on press releases from the subject. Which four of the sources cited in Draft:Scantrust do you think do most to establish notability? Maproom (talk) 22:11, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick response. I would say these sources, which are exclusively about Scantrust

20 Minuten (most read newspaper in Switzerland): "Schweizer Start-up sagt Fälschern den Kampf an". www.20min.ch (in German). 2015-12-29.

Le Temps (5th most read, and most read in the French part of Switzerland): "ScanTrust lève ses premiers fonds externes". Le Temps (in French). 2015-05-04.

24 Heures (7th most read): "QR Codes Swiss made pour lutter contre le piratage des produits". Corset, Jean-Marc (2016-05-09). 24 Heures.

L'Express - L'Impartial (21th most read) "ScanTrust détecte le vrai du faux grâce à un code-barres". Christen, Lucien (2014-10-14). L'Express - L'Impartial.

Factfox (talk) 22:25, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, I should have included this one from Handelszeitung instead (12th most read): "ScanTrust: Die Fälschungsfinder" . Handelszeitung (in German). Retrieved 2020-05-04. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Factfox (talk • contribs) 22:32, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Factfox. The only one of those five which is not transparently based on an interview is the Handelszeitung (and I'm pretty sure that that one is also based on an interview or press release). Wikipedia is basically not interested in anything that the subject says about themselves: it is only interested in what people with no connection to the subject have chosen to publish about the subject. None of those, except possibly the Handelszeitung piece, do anything to establish notability - and there isn't very much meat in that piece. I'm also a bit concerned about where those PDFs come from: I see that they are directly from Archive.org, but you ought to put that URL in the archive-url parameter, and the original URL in the url parameter (even if it's dead) so that it is clear where these documents come from. Were they originally from the respective newspapers' websites? I wasn't aware that any newspapers published their own articles as PDFs, so I'm concerned that these might be copyright-violating scans. (It is not essential to provide a link to a source, though obviously it is more convenient to do so; but we do not link to copyright violations). --ColinFine (talk) 00:33, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
I will restate what I noted in my decline of the draft: "This draft is written from the viewpoint of the company, focusing on what the company says about itself. Corporate notability is based on what independent reliable sources have written about the subject. Not every business corporation is notable, and this draft does not establish corporate notability." Many drafts about companies repeat what the company says about itself. If a newspaper repeats what the company says about itself, it is still what the company says about itself. Robert McClenon (talk) 04:21, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello ColinFine and Robert McClenon, thank you for your feedback. Regarding the access to the PDF, these are my copies and I mistakenly thought I had to make them accessible, as otherwise you might not be able to check the content; I also wrongly assumed it was common practice on Wikipedia as I saw other articles giving access to content in the references in this way. I would like to correct this error. I can remove the link to the PDF in the source although I believe I am not allowed to access the draft now. I have initiated the process to remove them from archive.org (this may take time so for the moment the PDF may still be accessible).
Referring to the essay in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Interviews and the discussion in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Notability/Archive_64, I understand there is a grey area in how to evaluate notability when an article appears to be based at least partly on an interview, and there does not appear to be a general consensus or a clear set of rules within the Wikipedia community. I will nevertheless base my reasoning on the relevant highlight of the above-mentioned essay: “Interviews generally count as primary sources, but commentary added to interviews by a publication can sometimes count as secondary-source material”. While the articles I mentioned above do contain primary material in the form of quotes, they also contain commentaries from the interviewers which should be counted as secondary material. In addition, these articles were written by journalists of reliable and respected publications that are known for fact checking, and which reached out to Scantrust because it was already notable (in the general meaning of the term).
The article also contains other sources which have content that can be counted as secondary material. For example, https://www.reconnaissance.net/tax-stamp-news/issues/april-2017/, https://www.ledgerinsights.com/scantrust-anti-counterfeit-blockchain/ or https://phys.org/news/2015-05-combatting-counterfeiting-qr-codes.html. Factfox (talk) 10:05, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Please help me

Not an issue for Teahouse/Questions. Referred elsewhere
 – Talk:Canimals

Hi

I have been finding sources for the TV show Canimals, but I can not do it because I have gotten really lazy recently. Can anyone help me? Links if you do not want to go though the pain:

http://news.khan.co.kr/kh_news/khan_art_view.html?art_id=201107111339471

http://www.hani.co.kr/arti/science/science_general/388623.html

https://www.ibabynews.com/news/articleView.html?idxno=4437

http://www.newspim.com/news/view/20140224000261

And You will need yandex translate to add these because they are all in the Korean language.

https://translate.yandex.com/translate


I hope you follow these links and hopefully, you find info, useless you do not use yandex when in that case use google translate. 2600:1004:B05E:87D5:D1B4:48BB:607D:F27A (talk) 16:37, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Treehouse! The place to discuss additional references for the Canimals article is the corresponding talk page: Talk:Canimals. Good luck! GoingBatty (talk) 16:58, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
GoingBatty This forum is actually called the Teahouse, not the Treehouse. Treehouse would be a cool name though. Hillelfrei talk 18:24, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
@Hillelfrei: Facepalm Facepalm GoingBatty (talk) 18:34, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
By our logo, might as well be the treehouse. Usedtobecool ☎️ 10:40, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Education assignment template?

I have been under the impression that student editors enrolled in a class are to put a template on one of their pages, as well as on the Talk pages of articles to be edited by a class. I would have also thought that instructors would put a template on their own page, so we know who and what institution are involved. If this type of editing is going on somewhat informally, does such a practice conform to WP standards?--Quisqualis (talk) 22:53, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Quisqualis, I think, and these are just my thoughts, the informing and what not about who all are teachers and who all are students, and what they plan to do, is all about Wikim/pedia's PR and the prof's PR and so that other editors here go more easy on the inevitable mistakes these editors are likely to make. Of course, we ought to go easy on all new editors but at least we know with them, that they are not WP:NOTHERES (a contradiction in terms as most students assigned work in Wikipedia are most definitely not here to build the encyclopedia). Without all those disclosures, we would treat each individual editor just like any other, without the preferential treatment that we are likely to give them when there are all those disclosures. In short, more for their benefits than ours. Wikied redirects to m:Wiki Education Foundation which took me to wikiedu.org. I stopped there. Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:00, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

PICTURE

Is this picture able to be posted to the legislator's wiki page as it is his official photo on the state legislative page? https://sdlegislature.gov/Legislators/Legislators/MemberDetail.aspx?Session=2020&Member=1720&Cleaned=True https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brock_Greenfield History007man (talk) 03:53, 10 May 2020 (UTC) History007man (talk) 03:53, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@History007man: Has the copyright been waived or does it meet WP:NONFREE criteria? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:16, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

I did not see anything saying it was copyrighted?History007man (talk) 04:28, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@History007man: The bottom of https://sdlegislature.gov/Legislators/Legislators/MemberDetail.aspx?Session=2020&Member=1720&Cleaned=True says "© 2020 - SD Legislative Research Council". Before uploading the photo to Wikipedia, you'll have to understand the specific copyright for that photo. In order to protect the copyright holders, we can't just copy photos from the internet to Wikipedia. GoingBatty (talk) 04:35, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you I am new and learning. So how do you get a picture of these public figures that is acceptable?History007man (talk) 04:39, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@History007man: There are some good suggestions at Wikipedia:Finding images tutorial. GoingBatty (talk) 04:42, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Hello, History007man. I see that you edit mostly about South Dakota politicians. I live in California and have taken many photos of California politicians. I simply go to public events where these politicians are scheduled to speak and then take photos of them when they are talking to voters. I upload the best of my photos to Wikimedia Commons. This strategy may not be viable during the pandemic but the day will come again when politicians meet with voters. Be there with your camera. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:02, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Cullen328---that is a great idea! and fun way to be involved! Thank you, I am learningHistory007man (talk) 13:52, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@History007man: There are other suggestions on Wikipedia:About you#Picture. GoingBatty (talk) 20:37, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Twitter

Is Twitter a sister project of Wikipedia DINOCOBLUE (talk) 13:37, 8 May 2020 (UTC)

DINOCOBLUE Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Twitter and Wikipedia as projects are unrelated. Twitter is social media, while Wikipedia is an effort to write an encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 13:38, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
DINOCOBLUE, you can find a list of all sister projects of Wikipedia at WP:SISTER. Keep in mind that Wikipedia itself has a few hundred "sister Wikipedias" in other languages; check out List of Wikipedias. Mathglot (talk) 01:27, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Someone's using my WM Commons photo without credit. What do I do?

Hi. My photo File:Bangladesh international school dammam school image.jpg is being used on Instagram without the credit it requires. It's a creative commons attribution 4 license. What action can I take? MRC2RULES (talk) 15:51, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

@MRC2RULES: I am not a lawyer. This isn't really a Wiki issue, but there isn't much you can do other than contact the account owner and ask for credit, if they don't give it, file a DMCA claim with Instagram (read more here) Ed6767 (talk) 16:24, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
@Ed6767: can I file one even though it's not copyrighted?

MRC2RULES (talk) 22:35, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

MRC2RULES, if you took the picture, then under Saudi law you, by default, hold copyright over it for 25 years according to Wikipedia Commons. M Imtiaz (talk · contribs) 18:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
@M Imtiaz: Is it still copyright even though it's a CC4A license? I mean that I didn't post it as copyrighted? So does it automatically become one?

MRC2RULES (talk) 22:35, 9 May 2020 (UTC)

Yes, in almost all most cases, the act of publishing a photograph creates a copyright on that photo. A Creative Commons license does not make the copyright "go away", it just allows use of the photo under clearly defined conditions. The copyright remains, unless you specifically disavow the copyright in writing. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 23:04, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
@Cullen328: So even though I never copyrighted or submitted it for copyright it by default becomes one? I really need to check WM commons policies again.

I heard that you got to submit a form to get it copyrighted. MRC2RULES (talk) 10:12, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

What you heard is incorrect, MRC2RULES. Copyright is created automatically when a photo or writing or anything else is published. Copyright registration is pretty much a thing of the past, although some old copyrights can be renewed. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:35, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
For more information, read Copyright registration. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:40, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Just wanted to note that everything written here is not legal advice. --MrClog (talk) 19:46, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
MrClog I was just asking what action can I take. You don't expect me to 0go to court tomorrow:D. But do you or anyone know If how I can officially get papers showing that I am the copyright owner? Ik that the topic is not for wikipedia. But last question. Than thread endMRC2RULES (talk) 20:13, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
MRC2RULES, simply print out the Wikimedia Commons file page for the photo, where you made a formal legal declaration that you are the author (photographer in this context) and are therefore the copyright holder. That is a legal document. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:35, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
The legal declaration you submitted reads "I, the copyright holder of this work, hereby publish it under the following license: w:en:Creative Commons attribution share alike.This file is licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license." Cullen328 Let's discuss it 01:41, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Article Publication

I want to publish an article on a Pokemon but I'm not sure how to do it or if I have enough sources to make one. I have tried to make a Porygon article but I don't know what happened to it. Please help. UB Blacephalon (talk) 03:45, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@Blacephalon: Welcome to the Teahouse. Porygon is a redirect to the list of generation I Pokemon. If you are looking to contribute detailed information about Pokemon, there is always Bulbapedia. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:23, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
OK. But I've submitted a Porygon article and I have no idea what happened to it. Can you find out? UB Blacephalon (talk) 04:28, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
@Blacephalon: No Porygon article was submitted, though I do see a draft over at Draft:Porygon. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:41, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
How can I make it better or submit it? UB Blacephalon (talk) 16:40, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

wiki page creation

help for wiki page creation

I have tried to create wikipage multiple times but it get deleted. can any one me out. Techniees109 (talk) 07:49, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

In the message on your user talk page the words in blue are wikilinks to further guidance. Is there something in that guidance which you don't understand? --David Biddulph (talk) 08:30, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Techniees109, A few issues here. For one, your subject lacks any sourcing. For two, you have tried to create it multiple times, which isn't actually helpful, instead it just means that folks are chasing multiple versions of your article around instead of being able to help you on just one. Third, the article as written is just promotional and doesn't establish how the company is notable. CaptainEek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 08:47, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

How to add an image to an article?

Please anyone help me with the steps to insert an image in an article. - Meet Jagtap (talk) 11:59, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Meet Jagtap and welcome to the Teahouse. If you want to add an image to an infobox, you can go to the image parameter in the infobox and type the image name without the File: prefix. Otherwise, you can click the image button on the toolbar and you can add an image in that way as well. Interstellarity (talk) 12:38, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Revert, Block, Ignore

I don't understand the point of the essay at WP:Revert, block, ignore. It says you should revert the user and then block them without comment. I thought you were required to leave at least one warning, or at least tell them why they are blocked? If so, then this page is very misleading.—Naddruf (talk ~ contribs) 13:16, 13 May 2020 (UTC) —Naddruf

Hello Naddruf and welcome to the Teahouse. Most of time, when administrators block users, they provide the reason why they were blocked on the user's talk page. However, an example of revert, block, ignore in action is if a user vandalizes Wikipedia over a period of time under multiple names, then not notifying them of the block denies recognition to the user. I hope I explained correctly and others are welcome to correct my answer if anything is wrong with it. Interstellarity (talk) 13:50, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Conflict of interest question

Hello! I'm working part-time for the company TCO Development and they have assigned me the task of translating the page about TCO Certified on Swedish Wikipedia to English and then adding it to English Wikipedia. I know there's a conflict of interest and I want to make sure I don't waste my time by translating the article only to have the article be rejected. What are my options? If anyone would like to be my mentor in this and help me be objective, I'd be incredibly thankful. Ellasoderberg (talk) 13:53, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ellasoderberg The first thing you need to do is to declare yourself as a paid editor, as described in WP:PAID. The second thing is to do the translation into a draft page, not into the article mainspace. The third thing is to make sure that the source is attrributed as described in Wikipedia:Translation. The fourth thing is to understand that rules, standards, and practices are different on the different Wikipedia e3ditions, and that having an article on one does not guarantee it on another. Here all articles mus be neutral and must be about notable topics. Avoid promotional language. Read our guideline on the notability of companies for more detail. Notability must be demonstrated as a rule by citing multiple independent[ published reliable sources, each of which discusses the company in some depth and detail. If you have further questions after that, feel free to ask here again. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 14:12, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Thank you DESiegel! Ellasoderberg (talk) 14:43, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

List of YouTubers - Addition

Can of the moderators of List of YouTubers add one more notable YouTube personality? Please add MSK to this page. MSK creates informational travel videos and shares his knowledge on how to travel, mostly for bikers. He rides across the country and shares his experience, educates on how to ride safely. He also makes motivational and review videos. User - Mohammed Salim Khan. Country - India. Channel - MSK Bling.a.ding (talk) 09:59, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Bling.a.ding, and welcome to the Teahouse. You have several misunderstandings here. There are no "moderators of List of YouTubers" -- any editor may add or remove information, adding it if it is properly sourced and relevant to the purpose of that list. removing it if it is not. As it says near the top of Talk:List of YouTubers This article should only contain notable YouTube personalities who have been discussed in reliable sources and already have their own Wikipedia article. Entries without a Wikipedia article will be removed. So the first thing to do for someone to be included on that list is that there must be a separate article about that person. Please read Your First Article and our general notability guideline to better understand what that implies. There must be multiple independent professionally published reliable sources, each of which discusses the person in some detail, before an article can be validly created. Most Youtubers, even ones with large numbers of viewers, will not qualify.
I hope this helps clarify matters. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 12:11, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you for the clarity, got it! :) DES Bling.a.ding (talk) 16:01, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia charts

Greetings hosts, I know there are lot of ways to include graphs in Wikipedia. I have certainly used some of them. Some times ago, I have came across a line chart where the data for the chart is taken from a separate commons file with extension .tab (I think). Obviously this chart uses lots of data, that's why it's created that way. Now, I am in need to use this kind of graph for an article. If someone can point me in the direction to find any of this type of charts. It will be very helpful. I know this is a vague question. But still, I am looking for an answer. - Timbaa -> ping me 13:29, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Timbaaa. You are looking for Template:Graph:Lines. Instructions for creating the data at Commans is given at mw:Help:Tabular Data. StarryGrandma (talk) 15:51, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
StarryGrandma, Thankyou very much. You are awesome - Timbaa -> ping me 16:24, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Problem with publishing a corporate company's profile page. Thank you

Dear Friends and Community! Please help. I am trying to send for editing and publish the article about ASGC Construction company. This company has been operating since 1989 and is very stable and developing. It is my first article and I'll be very grateful for your help. I already read the articles here about how to start the page and about the references and tried to follow them but my page has been deleted. Thank you very much. Maria ASGC (talk) 14:57, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Maria ASGC. There is an explanation on your User talk page, with many blue wikilinks to pages which explain what is going on. But, in short, most companies in the world - including some which have been around far more than thirty years - do not meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability, and no article about any of those companies will be accepted. Notability is not about what the company is or does, but about who has written about it, and where. If several people who have no connection with your company have chosen to publish substantial material about your company (and not simply repeating material from your company such as interviews and press releases, but writing from their research), and have been published in reliable places such as books from reputable publishers, or major newspapers; then there can be an article about your company. It will not be your article, you will not have control over its contents, and it may contain things you don't want to be there. It should be close to 100% based on what those independent people have published: Wikipedia is not interested in what your company wants to say about itself. That it why the already extremely difficult task of writing an acceptable Wikipedia article is even harder when you have a conflict of interest. --ColinFine (talk) 15:50, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
@Maria ASGC: To add on this, there is not a single "company profile" on Wikipedia. Wikipedia has articles about companies, not "company profiles". This applies to other entinities too. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:57, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Sort of an idiotic question

I think I know the answer, but can you use the same Wikipedia account on a different computer if you sign in? I might move, and I was wondering if I could use my account on a different computer. Thanks, DaniHart08 (Talk). 15:00, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

@DaniHart08: Yes it's like any sort of online account just go to the website from any computer and you can log in. Hillelfrei talk 15:13, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Ok, thanks. That's what I thought. DaniHart08 (Talk). 15:20, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
@DaniHart08: And there's no idiotic questions, feel free to hit us up with any uncertainties you have. Hillelfrei talk 16:13, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Ok, thanks! DaniHart08 (Talk). 17:06, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Question

Hello fellow Wikipedians, I recently came across this page (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/PvtHudson_Backup_2.5). It contains the edits of one user, who appears to be making major edits to many Wikipedia pages. Could someone take a look at it? I'm not sure if it's vandalism, and I don't want to mess up the pages if the information is indeed correct. Heyoostorm (talk) 17:37, 13 May 2020 (UTC) Edit: It appears the user was blocked. Were the pages fixed? Heyoostorm (talk) 17:40, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Heyoostorm! Yes, the user was blocked. The pages seem to be normal, and in their history, Pvt's edits have been removed. I'm guessing they were a vandal, but you'd need to ask someone else to know what exactly they did. Either way, the issue seems to have been resolved. ~ Frostedchicharrones 💬 17:44, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

When my article (currently posted as a draft) would be published

These words of mine do not intend to offend or complain about anyone. I am new to Wikipedia and recently I had an article of mine in Portuguese properly published (after being reviewed by an editor). I am an academic and the subject is serious and important. However, I did an article on the same topic, but in English, since there are a huge number of researchers who do not speak or read Portuguese, but who are interested in the topic. I requested publication (by pressing the "publish" button) and hoped to get feedback from an editor (at the same time that I would make corrections or add sources to the text). However, my article appeared classified as "draft", which I I thought it was temporary. However, it has been classified as a "draft" for some time and no communication has been made with me so far. I would like to know what the next step is. After the article is published, corrections are much simpler to make (such as, for example, indexing a word with another Wikipedia article, but in another language). I will be grateful to receive an answer. Fabio (Mweloading) MewloadingMewloading (talk) 18:00, 13 May 2020 (UTC) Mewloading (talk) 18:00, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

  • Hi User:Mewloading and welcome to the Teahouse!- As the volunteers at the articles for review pages are swamped, it may take some time to get used to it. Creating a new article from nothing is one of the hardest tasks to perform on Wikipedia and the rules differ from one Wikipedia to another. I did look at the article and you do have way overuse of links in the English Wikipedia. I recommend you read Manual of Style which will be of great assistance to you. If you need anything else, please let us know. Galendalia CVU Member \ Chat Me Up 18:16, 13 May 2020 (UTC) Teahouse Host
  • Hello, Mewloading. I just looked over, well skimmed over, the draft. As Galendalia told you, rules and practifces are different on each language edition of Wikipedia. As I understand it, this article is about a book dealing with "the society and economy of Angola" and also discussing the theories advanced in that book. I will say this is significantly longer than Wikipedia articles usually are on scholarly or other non-fiction books. Compere On the Origin of Species about a very significant and famous book indeed, or A Brief History of Time which is a very well-known book, or perhaps On Growth and Form, not quite so well-known. There should be sources about the book itself and its reception in the draft, as well as sources for the theories advanced in it. Also, section 1.4 "Book content" of the current draft seems to be essentially a ToC for the book, but with no detail. It seems to me that this should be filled out with detail on what is in the book , perhaps in place of and using some of the text from the current 1.3 Book Summery, or else it should be removed. An em,poty skeleton ofm the book does not seem to add much. I also note that section 1.3 seems rather sparsely sourced.
Drafts here on en.Wikipedia can get to mainspace in either of two ways. An editor in good standing can simply move them to mainspace, or they can go through the AfC process. In the first case, there is the risk that some other editor might add a maintenance tag or even nominate the article for deletion promptly. In the second a review might take quite a while, particularly with so many citations to check (I see over 40). A middle route is that some one experienced editor agrees to work with you on the draft, serving the function of an AfC reviewer, and would move or indicate that you should move the draft to mainspace when you and s/he agree that it is ready. I have done this with several drafts in the past, particularly Holocaust Wall Hangings. Are you interested in that sort of collaboration? DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:43, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
  • Your draft has not been submitted for review. VERY large amounts of it, are completely unsourced, it is not clear what the different sections refer to? Do they refer to parts of the book or are they a broader look at the subject in general? There are an extraordinary number of red links, many of them pointless like random dates. Comments like " has since become a hit" and "offers a rare opportunity to connect with the historical and present reality of Angola" " in its suffering process of evolution" are not suitable for an encyclopedia. Theroadislong (talk) 19:00, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

what bits are not constructive of what i mentioned?

what bits are not constructive of what i mentioned? They refer to Italy

scott Medolla (talk) 17:22, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi @Medolla: - Welcome to the TeaHouse! It appears pizza is the article you are talking about. If that is the case, your edits were removed as Wikipedia:Or which is not allowed on Wikipedia. I encourage you to find some reliable sources that state what you are looking to add to the article and use those. Wikipedia does maintain a list at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources that you can use, but please make sure to read any comments in the notes column. I hope this helps and if you need anything else, please let us know! Galendalia CVU Member \ Chat Me Up 17:44, 13 May 2020 (UTC) Teahouse Host
Actually, what happened here is that you edited other editors comments at Talk:Pizza. We don't do that. You are welcome to edit articles such as Pizza or add your own comments at Talk:Pizza. You might also get reversed at Pizza. The next step there is to start a discussion at Talk:Pizza rather than repeating your edit to the article. David notMD (talk) 19:11, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

I am doing the marketing on an upcoming film.. I would like to amend the wiki. entry with current information.

I am working on the marketing for a film and would like to change the wiki page to reflect current information. Is that allowed? Valerievg (talk) 18:33, 13 May 2020 (UTC) ````

Hi @Valerievg: and welcome to the Teahouse. You would be considered that there is a conflict of interest and we highly discourage that here on Wikipedia. I recommend you follow Wikipedia:CoI and follow the instructions on there. As a COI, you can post changes on the talk page of the article to have another editor vet it and put it into the article, with that please make sure to include citable, reliable sources. On the flip side, if you are looking to promote the film in any way, those changes are not allowed and could lead to an immediate ban on Wikipedia. This is the policy on promotion Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not. If you have any other questions, please feel free to let us know. We are open 24/7 here at the Teahouse. Galendalia CVU Member \ Chat Me Up 18:55, 13 May 2020 (UTC) Teahouse Host
In fact, Valerievg, since you say that you are doing the marketing on an upcoming film you count as a paid editor, and the first thing you must do is make a declaration as dewscribed min WP:PAID. After that, please follow Galendalia's advice, and also read our guideline on promotion. It means more than overt advertising here. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 19:35, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Good edits vs. Okay edits

Hi, I have read in multiple discussions that it is better to have a few good edits rather than many okay edits. How do we categorically define a good edit? Thanks NawJee (talk) 17:02, 13 May 2020 (UTC) NawJee (talk) 17:02, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello NawJee! There isn't an exact categorical way to define a 'good' edit, but I think the best way I could define the statement to make it more clear is this- it's better to make a few longer, more precise and generally 'better' edits than several smaller, 'lower quality' ones. Unless you can't fix something with a single edit, try and do it in just one. Of course, that's only one context for it- the discussions might also be referring to the point that it's better to edit fewer articles with these longer/better edits, than to edit many with these okay/worse ones. ~ Frostedchicharrones 💬 17:37, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
@NawJee: I slightly disagree with Frostedchicharrones in regards to the fact that smaller edits are associated with lower quality; for me, edit length is tangentially associated to edit quality, and how long edits should be is contextual, usually on an article-by-article basis. It is less frustrating to make quick, short (but precise) edits in sections than to do an entire overhaul of an article, submit it, and find out that in the time spent editing someone had also made an edit, generating an edit conflict (as I commonly get here at the Teahouse). You can usually get away with long edits on stable (i.e., has not been frequently edited recently) articles, and other editors generally respect {{In use}} and {{Under construction}} tags placed at the top. It's a balancing act: do make sufficiently short edits to prevent edit conflicts from arising and frustrating yourself, but also do make sufficiently long edits so that diffs are less frustrating for others to sift through. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 19:57, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

correction of historical fact

Since when is the word Italt not a fact!?? How do I correct factual errors in wikipedia? Medolla (talk) 19:19, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Medolla. Because this is an encyclopaedia which should only include 'facts' obtained from reliably published sources, you need to avoid appearing to be adding anything based upon your own personal knowledge. Unless statements you make are supported by a 'citation' that another person halfway around the world is able to verify, your contribution will be rejected as I believe it was at History of pizza. I hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:28, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi, Medolla. I believe you meant above to write "Italy" rather than "Italt." Having looked at the article's page history, you actually made three additions to the article in one edit, which user ZimZalaBim reverted as a single action.
The removal of "(Italy)" following Naples was justifiable because it had already been used in the Lede of the article, so didn't need to be repeated. The other two additions were both information which was unsupported by any citation to a published Reliable source. Both are very likely true and well known to you personally, but this does not justify their uncited inclusion: all facts in Wikipedia articles must be properly cited so that readers can, at least in principle, confirm that some reliable source has really stated them. What you (or ZimZalaBim, or I, or anybody) personally knows is not sufficient. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.197.24.23 (talk) 20:33, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

I've seen many URLs in Wikipedia that point to HTTP version of websites that redirect to the HTTPS version or even worse: serve the same content regardless of the protocol. So I was thinking on doing a Wikipedia bot to update every link if possible. To do that, comparing that the content is the same in the HTTP and the HTTPS version would be enough. However, most of the sites I visit have some dynamic fields that change every time (ids, file hashes, dates, visitor counters...), so I was thinking on doing something like this:

  1. Download the original URL twice. Then, apply diff alignment over both results to keep only the static content. If less than a fixed percentage (99%?) is fixed, keep all of the content of the first request, just in case.
  2. Then, download the URL replacing HTTP with HTTPS. Again, apply the previous processing to keep only the static content, if possible.
  3. If both contents are the same, rewrite the URL in Wikipedia from HTTP to HTTPS.

This would help to have a safer web. Obviously this won't update pages that make a heavy use of JavaScript unless we use some browser automation such as Selenium.

What do you think? Is there anything similar already in use? Juancroldan (talk) 15:25, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

As long as the http versions are still working, there is no point in wasting the memory for a full edit yust to update this link. AFAIK ther is no such bot, and there will probbably never be, as every edit is saved in a new datebase entry and it's therefore inefficient to change it. If there is a mayor rewrite of the page, this could be updated, but otherwise it's probbably better to simply keep it. You might also want to review WP:SLOP. Victor Schmidt (talk) 16:55, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
@Juancroldan: You may want to start a discussion at WP:VPI, the Wikipedia Idea Lab, where you can get some input on if this is a good idea or not. Bots are not supposed to make cosmetic edits, and I think this may fall into that category if there is no difference between the two links. If the http link stops working, then it should be updated to https. RudolfRed (talk) 17:16, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
@Juancroldan, Victor Schmidt, and RudolfRed: - User:Bender the Bot already makes these updates for some websites. GoingBatty (talk) 19:45, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
@GoingBatty: Thanks for that info! RudolfRed (talk) 20:10, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
@Juancroldan: As GoingBatty mentioned, I have a bot running doing something similar to what you suggest. So far this is being done on a per-URL basis, so whenever I came across website that verifiably delivers the same content over HTTPS as over HTTP, a bot run converts all particular external links throughout Wikipedia. I have done so for Google Books, Wayback Machine, YouTube, and lots of other websites. An (almost) complete list is on User:Bender the Bot. If you have additional suggestions, please me know. --bender235 (talk) 21:06, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

References vs. Works Cited vs. Bibliography?

How do references differ between citing sources in a Works Cited section or making a bibliography? Or are all of these terms corresponding? Why does Wikipedia choose to use the "references" system? Blacksmith210 (talk) 20:40, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Blacksmith210. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Layout#Notes and references for an explanation of Wikipedia's style of doing this. StarryGrandma (talk) 21:01, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hello, Blacksmith210 and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia allows any of several different systems of providing citation, Ultimately the only essential thing is that a reader is shown what source supports what statement in the article, and has the chance to find and verify the source, or read further in it.
  • The most common method is probably the use of <ref>...</ref> tags with a citation template in each. Also common nis use of <ref>...</ref> tags with manually formatted citations in each. Either of these leads to a single list of citations for each reference, often in a section entitled "References" or sometimes "Notes". See Help:Footnotes for details.
  • Not uncommon is the Harvard citation system using {{harv}} and {{sfn}} which produce a list of "Works cited" and shortened footnotes in teh form of (author, year) referencing works in teh list.
  • Other consistant systems are less common but may be used. See WP:CITEVAR
  • Bibliographies appear in a "Further Reading" section as a rule, or if they are of the works of the subject of the article, in a section such as "Selected publications" and may be produced by any of various methods and in any of various formats. However constancy within a given article is desired.
I hope that clarifies things a bit. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 21:20, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

How to cite source with no url

I have a source that is a physical magazine, which is great, but the online version has been taken off the website. The physical copy exists though. It Here is the page I'm working on. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Asian_Access).

Here's my citation that needs help. Palguta, Mary Kay (2012). [www.missionexus.org "NEW DAWN IN THE LAND OF THE RISING SUN A2/SIM Strategic Partnership for Japan"] Check Ahkennedy10 (talk) 21:19, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

@Ahkennedy10: Just cite the physical version. There is no requirment that sources be online. You can use the template {{Cite_magazine}} RudolfRed (talk) 21:30, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Searching Articles within 2 or 3 categories

Hi guys, is there a way to search for articles which are categorized by category XYZ *AND* category ABC ?! So, for example all 1920births + living people ?! Thanks in advance! CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:31, 13 May 2020 (UTC) CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:31, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi CommanderWaterford. You can enter this in the search box: incategory:"1920 births" incategory:"Living people". See also Wikipedia:PetScan. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:36, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Thank you very much PrimeHunter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CommanderWaterford (talk) 21:40, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Robert Virchow Lecture

 RandallPaulRuble (talk) 21:41, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Do you have a question about using and editing Wikipedia? --David Biddulph (talk) 21:42, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Article for self advertising/trolling

FYI
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I edited the article Lev Vygotsky on Wikipedia, but my edits have been reverted by a user. As an expert in cultural studies, I can see that the article is not neutral, it is used by the user "Yasya" (who reverted my changes) for self-advertising purposes. Moreover, the article includes traces of trolling, particularly the links to the page on the Russian social media site "V kontakte" (VK) "vygo_bubble" (https://vk.com/vygo_bubble ) filled with obscenities and offensives in Vygotsky's address. I wonder how to stop this trolling. Palisandria (talk) 18:29, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello Palisandria, I've looked at your edit. I think you were trying to do too much at once. I think you should go in smaller steps that you can clearly justify. Then, if someone undoes it, you can give your reasoning on the talk page of the article, and if your reasoning is sound, you should be able to gain consensus and re-instate the edit. It seems the conflict of interest is already being discussed on the talk page. I hope this helps. Kind regards from PJvanMill (talk) 21:55, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Article in submissions waiting for review. Other editing options than edit source.

Draft:Jules Franck Mondoloni My article needs more editing, but I am unable to do that in Edit source. I only understand the sandbox format. I am 77 years old. Reknil43 (talk) 22:39, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

@Reknil43: Welcome to the Teahouse. Are you asking if there are other editors to use besides source editing? In that case, you may be interested in the VisualEditor. You can enable it by clicking here, and navigating to the Editing tab and uncheck the "Temporarily disable the visual editor while it is in beta" option. After that just click "Edit" at the top of the article you want to edit. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:40, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Categories

Resolved
 – Add categories to articles to populate them. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:49, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

I’ve noticed that whenever I try to edit a category, the wiki text is nearly blank. How do items get added to categories? Anything helps. Regards. Stay safe and well, --Total Eclipse 2017 (My profile | My contribs | speak to me) 22:36, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Total Eclipse 2017. Pages are added to categories by naming the category on the page, thus [[Category:Wikipedia Teahouse]]. These could come anywhere in an article, but are usually collected at the bottom. See WP:Categories. --ColinFine (talk) 22:40, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
@ColinFine: *facepalm* I should’ve just looked up that link... thanks for the help! Stay safe and well, --Total Eclipse 2017 (My profile | My contribs | speak to me) 22:43, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

relationship of RFK to Bates College

Interested in relationship of RFK to Bates College. It has been a while but my pervious corrections to this oversight was reversed. Erroneously, most persons assume that "alumnna" refer to graduation, whereas in reaity it simply refers to "a graduate or former student" - previous changes I made (I was a prodigious contributor prior to my life becomieng more complicated and Wikipedia accounts being inexpleciably altered) were reversed. These oversifghts deserve attention and correction.

 The Fly~metawiki (talk) 22:35, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

If you'd like to argue for a change to Bates College, then please do so at Talk:Bates College. -- Hoary (talk) 00:22, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Policy dispute

Are you supposed to Semi-retire when you disagree with Wikipedia policy?  Eschoryii (talk) 03:10, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

No. You are free to discuss it on the relevant Talk page.--Quisqualis (talk) 03:28, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

how do you make people pay attention on you

 Solby wolby (talk) 12:15, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

@Solby wolby: I'm not sure what you are asking about. Can you please rephrase your question so we can be clear on what you're asking? Thank you, Interstellarity (talk) 12:40, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
@Solby wolby: In case it wasn't clear from the messages on your talk page, I believe you have misunderstood the purpose of Wikipedia. This is an encyclopedia, like Encyclopædia Britannica, World Book, or Encarta. It is not a social media platform or a place to promote anything or anyone. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 03:32, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Looking for a page

Hello, I am looking for a page where there are known errors listed for edit. Is there such a page? TheRandomWikipedian (talk) 03:12, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

@TheRandomWikipedian: The community portal is a good place to look for articles that require maintenance.
Shameless plug: If you would like to correct spelling and grammar, the Guild of Copy Editors may be what you're looking for. We currently have a drive to clear as much of the copyedit backlog as possible. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 03:56, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Picture Upload Issues

I have made several attempts to try and upload a picture. However, I'm having issues.. Are you able to assist?  Ladym1106 (talk) 22:03, 13 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, Ladym1106. It's hard to know whether we can assist when you give us no hint of what the issues are you are having. You have successfully uploaded File:Malcolm Adams.jpg to Commons. --ColinFine (talk) 22:09, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hi Ladym1106. Can you provide a WP:WIKILINK to either the picture you were trying to upload or a Wikilink to article or page that you were trying to add the picture to? There's no record in Special:Contributions/Ladym1106 or you editing any Wikipedia pages other than the Wikipedia Teahouse and the Wikipedia Help Desk; so, it's hard to try and help you without knowing more specific details. -- ~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marchjuly (talk • contribs) 22:11, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
I don't own copyrights to the photo however permission was granted to me from the individual..What else can I do? Ladym1106 (talk) 22:49, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Here's the link: https:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/b/b2/Malcolm_Adams.jpg Ladym1106 (talk) 22:56, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Please don't rush to create new threads. Continue existing threads, where these are relevant. -- Hoary (talk) 23:35, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Please (in this thread, not elsewhere) specify the problem(s) that you are facing. -- Hoary (talk) 23:38, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Incidentally, you stated when uploading the photo that it was your "own work", but here you say that you "don't own copyrights to the photo". I don't understand how both can be true. Could it be that only one of them is true? -- Hoary (talk) 23:43, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi again Ladym1106. If you're not the copyright holder of the photo, you cannot really upload it to Wikimedia Commons without the copyright holder's explicit consent to do so. Moreover, any permission the copyright holder may have given you personally is not sufficient for Wikimedia Commons. What the copyright holder will need to do is given their WP:CONSENT to not only you, but to anyone anywhere in the world who might want to use the photo for any purpose, not just for use on Wikipedia. There are a couple of ways for the copyright holder to do this, but the most common is for them to email Wikimedia OTRS as explained in c:Commons:OTRS#If you are NOT the copyright holder for verification purposes. Just for reference in case you didn't all ready know, the copyright holder of a photo is generally considered to be the photographer who takes the photo, not the person being photographed; so, you will need to ask the person who took the photo to email Wikimedia OTRS. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:28, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

References - Citing Pages in a Multi-Page Document vs. Only Including Said Pages in a Subset Document

I have an instance where an outside source (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promessa_Organic) has suggested including a cover letter and only certain pages (Page 77 and 79) in a .pdf file documenting a 'Proof of Concept' test relating to promession (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Promession), and I am questioning the validity of that approach, as opposed to citing those pages in the reference in the (existing) WP article, but including the whole document in a .pdf. The whole document is currently of undetermined length (I just haven't asked how long it is) and was written by an external company to the outside source. The .pdf document (whether the 3-pager or the whole thing) would be stored by Promessa and referenced by a URL in the WP article. The problems with their approach, as I see it, include:

  • The pages in the current short .pdf document mainly contain images of a test result, but that doesn't preclude the possibility of other images that may give conflicting test results.
  • WP users wanting to validate information relating to the test can't see any (unknown) context around the test that may or may not be in Pages 1-76, 78 and 80-end.

Basically, I think the whole document - currently only in paper form as I understand it - should be converted to a .pdf and included by Promessa. BrettA343 (talk) 04:04, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi BrettA343. Your question seems to be a mix of multiple questions involving various policies and guidelines, so I'm not sure what you're trying to ask or where to start. Sources cited in Wikipedia articles need to meet WP:RS and not be WP:UNDUE. If a source is deemed reliable for Wikipedia's purposes, all that it needs to be is published and accessible so that anyone who wants to verify the accuracy of the source can do so. The source doesn't need to be readily available online and it can even be behind a WP:PAYWALL or otherwise cost a fee to see as long as it can be verified by someone who wants to do so; so, there's no need to upload an entire document or link to an entire document for verification purposes as long as it's possible to verify in other ways as explained in WP:SAYWHERE. Being available online and in its entirety certainly makes a source easier to assess, but it's not something that's required. Finally, official documents, etc. often fall under WP:PRIMARY and although they can sometimes be cited, there are limitations to how they can be used. So, the first thing you might need to do is assess the reliability of the source itself and determine whether it's a PRIMARY or WP:SECONDARY source based on the the way its being used. The place to discuss such a thing would be on the relevant article's talk page or at WP:RSN. Once it's be determined whether the source is reliable, then perhaps the next thing to figure out would be to how best cite it. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:47, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Mount Everest

In Mount Everest, quote " Tenzing, a Nepali Sherpa who was a citizen of India" Is this true? Was Tenzing Norgay, climbing pair of Edmund Hillary a citizen of India? Roshanghimre59 (talk) 07:29, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi Roshanghimre59. You might have more luck asking about this at the Wikipedia Reference Desk since the Teahouse is more of a place to ask questions about editing Wikipedia than it is for asking whether the content in a Wikipedia article is correct. If, however, you think that an error has been made about Norgay's nationality in the article about Mount Everest or the article about him and you are able to provide links to reliable sources which support your claim, then you should discuss your concerns at Talk:Mount Everest or Talk:Tenzing Norgay and see what some others editors think. The article about Norgay describes him as being "Nepali-Indian" but the article about Mount Everest describes him as only "Nepali" in addition to being a "citizen of India". That might be something worth discussing on the talk pages of both those articles. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:54, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
@Roshanghimre59:, I checked online, and it seems that he was granted Indian citizenship after the Mt. Everest expedition, and was born a Nepali (he held dual citizenship if my understanding is correct). In my opinion, the “who was a citizen of India” should be removed because he became a citizen of India after the expedition. RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 09:01, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

delete revision history’s

Hello Can you delete the 4 edit history from 14 And 16 September 2017 in Denmark in the Eurovision Song Contest 2010: Revision history because those are embarrassing edits and i wanted them deleted Amazon111 (talk) 08:50, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Amazon111 You should contact an oversighter; WP:OVERSIGHT has the instructions on how to do so. 331dot (talk) 09:04, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Courtesy: At Denmark in the Eurovision Song Contest 2010 appears that back in 2017 there was a prolonged edit war about removing/keeping content. The editors were mostly IPs. Amazon111 is a brand new account, so hard to see how years old edits can be embarrassing. David notMD (talk) 09:10, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Deletion of file

How do I delete a file, it has been moved to the commons. File to be deleted: [Charge! Network Logo] PhoenixStarlight (talk) 05:06, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@PhoenixStarlight: To clarify, do you want it deleted because it has been moved to the Commons? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:30, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
File:Charge! network logo.png gives you a link to CSD F8. --David Biddulph (talk) 10:39, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
@David Biddulph: Yes, I think it should be deleted, because I checked the two and the description (details) and the format matches. --PhoenixStarlight — Preceding unsigned comment added by PhoenixStarlight (talk • contribs) 15:56, May 10, 2020 (UTC)

Is Pending Changes Protection appropriate for copyvios that happen about twice a month?

I am currently watching (and improving when I have the time) 29 articles relating to Nokia’s Android smartphones (thank goodness edits are not very common in those articles). But I’ve noticed that three editors, all of whom have a history of uploading copyrighted stuff as “Own Work” (I checked on nokia.com and all their images are copyrighted by HMD Global, which runs the mobile phone business) have uploaded a total of 7 copyrighted images (some without any modifications, some with a white background) in the last two months. The first two editors’ images have been deleted, but given how often random people are adding copyrighted images, I’d like to know if there is a way to stop people from adding images to the article, without interfering with other editors’ work (especially since almost no one else has been causing any trouble on these articles). If there is no way, does this disruptive editing (or vandalism, if deliberate copyvios count as vandalism) warrant putting the pages under the pending changes review system? RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 10:20, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

RedBulbBlueBlood9911, deliberate copyvios are not vandalism, which is defined at Wikipedia:Vandalism as "editing (or other behavior) deliberately intended to obstruct or defeat the project's purpose". And the base problem is that these editors are uploading copyrighted images, either to en:WP or to Commons; a solution should deal with that, regardless of whether the images are then added to particular articles. (I'm curious as to why someone wanting a picture of a particular smartphone doesn't just take a photo of one – but that's irrelevant.) Maproom (talk) 10:57, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Maproom, ignore my question about whether there is a way to automatically revert media addition (I realised now only that if someone tries to add their own picture of a phone, they’d have issues 🤔) would putting the affected articles under Pending Changes Protection be appropriate? RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 11:15, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
(ec)Persistent addition of copyvios after warnings are ground for blocking, which are not then easily lifted. That should be the way to go here. Warn them for each instance of copyrighted addition and if they persist, report them. If you can identify the problem editors, deal with the editors. Page protection is for when, in general, some kind of editors are causing problems, such as IPs or new ones. And there isn't an option to "allow edits except adding images". Pending changes is for hiding edits from the general public (not logged in) until an experienced editor approves them. I don't see how stopping a section of our readers from seeing those images would help anyone. It doesn't make it less of a copyright, nor does it reduce work for other editors. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:17, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
@Usedtobecool: Without commenting on the specific merits of this case, "It doesn't make it less of a copyright" is a weird thing to say. The copyvio is definitely less severe if only a small group sees it. In addition, beyond the legal status, it is morally also better to hide copyvios from as many people as possible. --MrClog (talk) 11:21, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
MrClog, guess I was thinking only in terms of the amount of editor work needed and the legal liability Wikimedia might face. We'll still have to remove them (same amount of editor work) and I reckon someone who wants to sue, won't change their mind just because we had pending changes enabled to reduce exposure. The actual liability does not depend on the amount of exposure because the individual editors are responsible for their copyvios not Wikimedia. Suppose there's case though to be made that less people who are likely to sue may be logged in at any given time.
So, do you think pending changes will-be/are implemented on the basis that copyrighted images are being added and need to be hidden from as many people as possible? Usedtobecool ☎️ 11:40, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
@Usedtobecool: Besides the likelihood to suit, the seriousness of the infringement (and thus the injury suffered by the copyright holder) are limited with PC. However, in this case, warnings/blocks are a better solutiont than PC protection. MrClog (talk) 11:47, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

(Edit conflict) Okay, so I’ve decided to just warn and watch anyone who uploads and adds copyrighted images to the articles I’m watching. Consider this issue resolved. And by the way Usedtobecool, WP:PC says that it may be used against copyright violations in the last line of the lead. RedBulbBlueBlood9911 (talk) 11:51, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Save Draft

Hi! I'm working on a new topic which will take time for final submission to publish. I searched a lot " how to save draft" but no luck. pls guide me for the same.

Thanks, Shekhar Shekhar in (talk) 12:51, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Shekhar in To save your draft, click "publish changes". This does not mean "publish my draft to the encyclopedia", it simply means "save changes". It used to say "save changes" but it was changed to emphasize that anything saved is visible to the public, even if not formally part of the encyclopedia. 331dot (talk) 12:56, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

how can i edit a wikipedia entry?

 2600:1003:B46A:C155:CDA7:FF83:DF99:EA71 (talk) 13:25, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello IP user, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can learn about editing by going to Help:Editing, though essentially you look for the 'Edit' or 'Edit source' tab at the top of the page (assuming you aren't trying to edit on a mobile device.) Note, however, that new editors cannot edit certain 'semi-protected' pages until their account has reached a a certain age and made a minimum number of edits (usually 4 days and 10 edits). Non-registered users cannot edit them at all. Semi-protected pages have a little padlock icon on the top right of the screen. I would also point out that your individual IP address has been specifically blocked from editing Harvard Extension School until the end of May as you appear to have been editing on that page in a disruptive manner - possibly by edit warring. If you need further explanation on anything, let us know. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:39, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Correction to Karl Friedrich Schinkel

Italic text 142.129.114.219 (talk) 13:48, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! If you have a suggestion for making a correction to the Karl Friedrich Schinkel article, you can go to the article's talk page - Talk:Karl Friedrich Schinkel - and add your suggestion there. Please include a reliable source for the correction, so editors can confirm your correction. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 14:50, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Spotted Hyenas

I've added some info on the spotted hyena from Hyena Project. I wonder if this info will be useful, since Hyena Project are a reliable source? Redstoneprime (talk) 16:43, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@Redstoneprime: hello, this may be better discussed on the talk page for the article. Jcoolbro (talk) (c) 16:48, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@Jcoolbro: I've added that to the articles talk page yesterday letting people know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redstoneprime (talk • contribs) 16:51, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi guys, en:Meloneras (which is a beach avenue in Gran Canaria) has an Interwiki Link to es:Bryonia_dioica which is a plant, so totally wrong... can someone delete this? I have no idea how to do this. Thanks! CommanderWaterford (talk) 16:16, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@CommanderWaterford: The error probably comes from es:Meloneras being a redirect to es:Bryonia dioica. --CiaPan (talk) 16:52, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
@CommanderWaterford: Well, after checking the enwiki article I must say I didn't find any interwiki links in it. --CiaPan (talk) 17:09, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
@CiaPan: yes, of course, because I cannot link it to the correct spanish article... but I already asked the spanish sysops to correct the forwarding lemma, thanks so far for your help CommanderWaterford (talk) 17:13, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
To which page on the Spanish Wikipedia are you trying to link the enwiki article? es:Maspalomas has a redlink to es:Meloneras_(Maspalomas). --David Biddulph (talk) 17:30, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @CommanderWaterford: An interwiki link usually means a link under "Languages" in the left pane of an article. Meloneras has no interwiki link. Interwiki links should not be affected by redirects at other wikis. I don't know Spanish. Where is the Spanish article about the place? If the problem is that you are trying to create a Spanish article then you can do so at the redirect or any other title. See Wikipedia:Redirect#How to edit a redirect or convert it into an article. Wikipedia languages are edited independently and often don't have the same articles. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:39, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
@PrimeHunter: That's exactly what I was looking for, thanks! CommanderWaterford (talk) 17:46, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Article declined due to tone of language

Hi, I have created a draft for someone who I have been acquainted with but do not personally know or associated with. The draft is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Faizal_Kottikollon I have made several changes based on the feedback that it looks like a promotional article. However, despite the changes, it says the language used is "puffery". Could you please help me with some specific direction in terms of what needs to be changed with some examples? Thanks so much. Vathsalak (talk) 09:50, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

If I had to remove the promotion and puffery from Draft:Faizal_Kottikollon, I'd delete the whole lot and start again, basing what I wrote on entirely what I found in reliable independent sources. Maproom (talk) 10:44, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
For example "Feted by the Indian business community for contribution to education" is puffery sourced to a press release and none of the "Honors seem to be notable? Theroadislong (talk) 10:55, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Thank you so much Maproom and Theroadislong. I did look at different press releases and publicly available articles. Are those considered to be reliable, independent sources? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vathsalak (talk • contribs) 11:03, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@Vathsalak: My general advice for tone is to write in such a way that even someone who hates the subject can agree with the bare statement of facts.
Articles are a neutral summary of mainstream academic or journalistic sources. You can find a step-by-step guide to writing articles that won't be rejected or deleted here. Ian.thomson (talk) 11:16, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
In addition to press releases, interviews with the subject of the article are also not considered reliable sources. David notMD (talk) 14:48, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
That is not correct, David notMD. Interviews are p0erfectly reliable sources if published in a venue where editorial control is present, just like any other sort of article. However, most interviews consit of short, general questions by the interviewer, with relatively long answers by the subject. That means that most of the significant words are those of the subject, and so the interview is not an independent source this means that it will not contribute to notability, should not be used to source facts about people other than the subject, and should not be used to source controversial statements. But once a topic has been established as notable by other sources, interviews may be used as primary sources to support specific facts, and particularly to establish what a subject's own views and claims are.In short the same limitations apply to it as tom a statement on the subject's personal web page, see Self-published sources and WP:ABOUTSELF. Note that a few interviews contain extensive comment by the interviewer/reporter. Such interviews may serve as independent sources and contribute to notability. This is a judgement call. Press releases, like most interviews, are normally not independent, Vathsalak. They may or may not be reliable, and if they are, may be used to support specific facts in a Wikipedia article, but they do not help in establishing notability, as a rule. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 18:04, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Untitled

FYI
 – Added heading Hillelfrei talk 18:30, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

 66.169.103.20 (talk) 17:57, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Hi IP. Did you have a question? Hillelfrei talk 18:30, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

'Wuhan CDC' in 'COVID-19 pandemic in mainland China'

Paragraph 1 of this page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COVID-19_pandemic_in_mainland_China

Could someone link 'Wuhan CDC' as it's unclear what this is referencing? Is this part of the US CDC or a Chinese national office not connected to the US CDC? Clarification somehow would be most welcome. Thanks for the fantastic article by the way. Regards Peter Edit Now logged-in to Wikipedia  86.153.108.143 (talk) 19:49, 10 May 2020 (UTC) @86.153.108.143: It is probably mentioning the chinese CDC. Since the chinese CDC isn't mentioned prior in the artcle, I linked it. Jcoolbro (talk) (c) 19:55, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. The best place to raise this issue is Talk:COVID-19 pandemic in mainland China because that is where editors working on that particular article discuss its content. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 19:57, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for linking and explaining - much appreciated. Regards Peter — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pavessey (talk • contribs) 20:18, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Can WikiProjects be based on associates?

Hi, so I have been on Wikipedia for a while. Given the current state of affairs in the world, friends of mine were going to join it as the summer months start to have something to work on. I am familiar with WikiProjects but those are usually based on common goals (Like history) and not preexisting connections. What is Wikipedia´s policy on this? 22mikpau (talk) 18:28, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@22mikpau: From reading Wikipedia:WikiProject and Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Guide, it appears that WikiProjects are based on common interests or goals, not based on pre-existing conditions. However, you could all work together on improving articles. GoingBatty (talk) 18:50, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Further, 22mikpau, it seems to me perfectly legitimate for you to create a page in your user space, say User:22mikpau/collaboration2020, and you and your friends use it and/or its talk page to organise your collaboration. You could even model it on a WikiProject page if that was helpful. --ColinFine (talk) 20:50, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Visual editor gone

Visual editor access


I was using the visual editor but now it is not appearing on article pages. Only source editing. 76.120.101.53 (talk) 19:57, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Hello 76...! I only just now tried editing as an IP, so I can't speak on what it's usually like. But, right now, I am getting one "Edit" button which when I click takes me to source editing and no option for switching to visual is immediately apparent. I tried changing the last part of the url of the editing page from "&action=edit" to "&veaction=edit" and it did switch to visual editing. So, perhaps try that workaround for the time being? I am getting both options as a logged in editor. According to one discussion at www.mediawiki.org/wiki/VisualEditor/Feedback, visual editor is not available to IPs on desktop; so I am wondering if you used to edit logged in until recently. Best, Usedtobecool ☎️ 21:38, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Hi IP editor, I actually encountered a similar problem that got resolved at this discussion here. Can you try switching skins and see if that works? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:54, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Chichester High School page

Hello I hope someone can help. Chichester High School for Boys and Chichester High School for Girls have had Wikipedia pages for many years.

The two schools merged in 2016 and became Chichester High School. They had to take one of the DfE numbers and decided to take the CHSG number.

I had tried to set a new Chichester High School page but I have limited knowledge on how to do this.

I have recently noticed that someone has converted the Chichester High School for Girls page into a Chichester High School one - wiping out all the history of Chichester High School for Girls which is really sad.

Can anyone help with this?

Ideally, both CHSG and CHSB pages should have been suspended?? and a new CHS page created.

Thank you TJW713 (talk) 21:10, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@TJW713: I'm glad you posted on the article talk page at Talk:Chichester High School, because that's the best place to discuss the edits to this article. You can still see all the history by going to Chichester High School and clicking "View history". If you think a previous version of the article had better wording than the current version, you can edit the article (presuming you do not have a conflict of interest) or make specific suggestions at the talk page. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 21:57, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Notability

I am wondering if I can write an article on the subject of Poetic Apologetics as an emerging form of religious apologetics? My hesitation is that it is a very new form of apologetics. My main source would be from this website: https://poeticapologetics.com/ As well as some other articles about apologetics in general terms, as well as poetry in general terms. Cdrauscher (talk) 22:12, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Cdrauscher, this sounds like a neologism, which is normally to be avoided, especially if you have any connection to that site. Guy (help!) 22:16, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
(edit conflict) @Cdrauscher: The guideline Wikipedia:Notability has the answers you're looking for. "Information on Wikipedia must be verifiable; if no reliable, independent sources can be found on a topic, then it should not have a separate article." and "If a topic has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, it is presumed to be suitable for a stand-alone article." Since it's very new, it might be too soon to have an article here - see the essay Wikipedia:Too soon. GoingBatty (talk) 22:18, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Reliable sources

Can we create articles for subjects if there are no reliable sources for them? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redstoneprime (talk • contribs) 17:08, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

No. See WP:Notability and WP:Verifiability. --David Biddulph (talk) 17:33, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks. I imagine subjects with no reliable sources would be those that aren't well-known, anyway? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redstoneprime (talk • contribs) 17:38, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@Redstoneprime: Exactly. They aren't notable enough to be in an encyclopedia. Hillelfrei talk 17:42, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

That's true. For the first article I made (which is still pending review), I made sure to cite all my sources (such as news articles from CNN). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redstoneprime (talk • contribs) 17:46, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

@Redstoneprime: Just to clarify, something can be "well-known" and still not be Wikipedia notable (e.g., neologisms, new companies, and breaking news). (Please also take note of WP:INDENT and WP:SIGN with regard to discussion pages. Thanks.) —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 22:53, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

Table Elements Math

Perform Excel-like math operations on groups of existing tabular columns (or rows), and record values into additional tabular columns (or rows). I found "https://tools.wmflabs.org/excel2wiki/index.php", which would seem to do the hardwired coding (thank you - very handy and useful!), but there is no visible mechanism for the underlying math interdependence of columns (as could be pointed to in an Excel sheet. Hardwired, yes, but no tabular element is addressable for further operations. I suspect a solution might be a dedicated Template, but I can't find succinct rules for build such, or even a simple (for) example, like: multiply column A by column B, then add column C and write in column D, then write column A divided by column B and write into column E. (I found a very specific Template where a row by another row division was performed - but offered no extensible logic to other ops.) Is there a comprehensive "how to" document for creating and modifying Wikipedia articles and their diverse contents? Dan Arthur Gross (talk) 01:07, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Dan Arthur Gross: Is this for an existing article? Can you provide some more detail on what the columns are and what calculation you want to do? I say this because, if you found an example of a template being used to do division, you already have the general concept, so I need to understand more specifically what you need to do in order to know where to point you. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 01:55, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
@Dan Arthur Gross: Perhaps it's about {{COVID-19 pandemic data/United States medical cases by state}}? If so, the issue may be more complicated than the technical calculation. Maybe discuss it at Template talk:COVID-19 pandemic data/United States medical cases by state#New columns that add in each jurisdiction's cases per 100,000 people? —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 02:00, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Longshaw

Previous discussion: [[Wikipedia:Teahouse#William Longshaw Jr


I have two uploads that I have of my cousin's birth. He is my 4th cousin, 4 times removed. His name is Dr. William Longshaw. He was born in Russell Street, Manchester, Lancashire England on April 1836 and emigrated to the United States of America with his parents (William and Margaret from the Port of Liverpool, Lancashire England to New work arriving March 31, 1842 on board the ship 'Siberia) see Census England, Passenger List Arrival at New York March 31 1842, 1850 and 1860. U.S. Federal Census and U.S. State Census for Lowell,Massachusetts. I have photocopies of the census from Manchester, England 1841. William senior was 30 years old, Margaret 25 years old. William was 5 year old.

I do have written proof of Dr. William Longshaw place of birth. Manchester, England How do I upload this proof. Longshaw (talk) 04:13, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Longshaw: Please see the response you were given earlier at [[Wikipedia:Teahouse#William Longshaw Jr and discuss this at Talk:William Longshaw Jr.. GoingBatty (talk) 04:21, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Creating a new page

I am trying to create a page for a friend of mine. His name currently exists as a red line entry (Craig Blackwell). I selected his name to begin creation, but I have a feeling I did it incorrectly.

The page is currently in my sandbox https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User:Rentonrc/sandbox&oldid=955998633

What do I need to do to publish it under his name? Rentonrc (talk) 00:25, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Rentonrc Hello. I have put an important message on your user talk page, please review it. 331dot (talk) 00:34, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Rentonrc blocked (not by me) for undisclosed paid editing - please see WP:PAID for how to disclose paid edits. dibbydib boop or snoop 04:58, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Frustrated

user:Robert McClenon suggested I discuss my frustrations here. I’m very disappointed and depressed with all the users trying to redirect all the articles I have created and spent days researching... Oh well... whatever... never mind... DarklyShadows (talk) 05:26, 11 May 2020 (UTC) DarklyShadows (talk) 05:26, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Comments on One of the Debates

This is a type of dispute that is common in the music area. In some of the general areas, there are said to inclusionist and deletionist editors. In music, there are inclusionist and redirectionist editors. Inclusionists take an expansive view of how many articles the encyclopedia should have. In other areas, deletionists favor deleting articles that they do not consider to be notable or encyclopedic. In the music area, the restrictive view is that of redirectionists, who prefer to redirect songs to albums, and sometimes to redirect albums to artists. Disputes also arise concerning performers known as members of a particular group or band, and inclusionists support separate articles, while redirectionists prefer to redirect to the articles on the group or band. The basic issue is usually one of different philosophies of the encyclopedia with regard to how fine a level of granularity is in order for articles as opposed to redirect entries.

Often the interaction between inclusionists and either deletionists or redirectionists can be productive. Sometimes it becomes unpleasant and disruptive.

Some editors like to rely almost entirely on the general notability guideline. Other editors, typically inclusionists, prefer to rely primarily on special notability guidelines, and to write the special notability guidelines broadly to permit as much coverage as possible. There are also questions as to whether the special notability guidelines should be interpreted expansively to call for inclusion or only permissively to allow inclusion. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:58, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

More Comments

That is what I commented in an AFD discussion. As noted, I think that the interaction between different viewpoints can be productive as long as it is civil, and it is unfortunate that it sometimes becomes heated. User:DarklyShadows is an enthusiastic inclusionist who contributes a great deal of information about songs, which is sometimes kept and sometimes merged. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:58, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Infobox after the lead paragraph on mobile

Hello! I was wondering how I can put the Infobox after the lead paragraph on mobile devices without changing the way it looks on the desktop version. Any help is appreciated. Thanks! Lara Vichnezka (talk) 06:19, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Also asked at the Help Desk. Lara Vichnezka, please don't post the same question in multiple places.--ColinFine (talk) 08:49, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Basic questions - remove draft from page title.

Hello,

I am a new wiki user - I have created this page but I am unsure if it is published or still a draft. Is it possible to remove the draft reference or have I created it incorrectly?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Future_Ticketing

Please and thanks :) Annmarieguinan (talk) 09:18, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Annmarieguinan Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. New users cannot directly create articles immediately, they must submit them for review using Articles for Creation. As successfully creating a new article is the most difficult task to perform on Wikipedia, it is a good idea to submit drafts even if you technically are able to create new articles, at least until you are very experienced in article creation. In your case, your draft was rejected because it has no independent reliable sources to support its content. A Wikipedia article should only summarize what such sources say about a subject, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of notability, in this case, the definition of a notable company. Please review Your First Article for more information.
If you work for this company, you need to review and formally comply with the conflict of interest and paid editing policies. 331dot (talk) 09:34, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Removed content from the page Arctic

Hello Guys,

I am new here trying to make some contributions where I can. I noticed that at the top of Arctic page someone added "Georgia is on google! Yay! The Arctic is an amazing place. It’s surrounded by countries such as Afghanistan and Russia". It did not seem relevant content to me so I edited it out, but then I got negative points. do you think it was a mistake? Should I avoid it in future?

Any learnings and suggestions are welcome.

additional info: also received this warning like message after this removal -

https://i.imgur.com/OYWQMGT.png — Preceding unsigned comment added by Globalnitish (talk • contribs) 06:59, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Thanks in advance!

Regards, Nitish Globalnitish (talk) 06:45, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Globalnitish: Welcome to the Teahouse and thanks for removing that bit of vandalism. The negative count that you see is the change in article size (measured in bytes). If you remove content it is negative; if you add content it is positive. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 06:54, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
@Globalnitish: It appears you were the one who blanked the page and inserted that bit. Kindly follow Nyook's demand and refrain from vandalism. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:02, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: I don't understand how you get to that :( Here is a list of all my contributions so far: https://i.imgur.com/2V4wQra.png, at #3 you can see a removal not any addition — Preceding unsigned comment added by Globalnitish (talk • contribs) 07:11, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Globalnitish:, This [11] is your edit, it removed the lead-section. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 07:28, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
@Globalnitish:, to clarify Gråbergs Gråa Sång's diff, not only did you remove the lead, but you also added the nonsense bit as shown on the right. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:31, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tenryuu: I am sorry something is messed up. Look at this clearly this user materialscientist is the one doing this nasty thing and somehow I am getting blamed even though I was the one trying to correct it: His contributions: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2001:8004:1241:671B:9C02:8CCA:6ED8:DFF3 The page where he added the content I removed: https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Arctic&oldid=956026888 how can you blame me for this? nonsense. Sorry I was trying to do something in free time but I guess this is not the place for me. very disappointed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Globalnitish (talk • contribs) 08:01, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Globalnitish: At 2020-05-11T06:39:14 UTC, as shown in your contributions list, you published this edit, which replaced the entire lead paragraph of Arctic and several images with "Georgia is on google! Yay! The Arctic is an amazing place. It’s surrounded by countries such as Afghanistan and Russia.", a net removal of 2709 bytes.
Earlier, at 2020-05-11T03:47:28 UTC, and then again at 03:50:14, a logged-out user with the now-blocked Victoria IP address 2001:8004:1241:671B:9C02:8CCA:6ED8:DFF3 made an almost identical edit (and their vandalism was quickly reverted both times by other editors). You need to understand that everything is logged here, including IP addresses of logged-in users, accessible to a small number of special administrators for the purpose of protecting the project from those who are not here to help build an encyclopedia. —[AlanM1 (talk)]— 08:59, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@AlanM1: thanks for clarifying, I see what I did there, somehow I posted the same thing back again instead of cutting it out..or maybe it happened because I was trying to edit it at the same time when it was being reverted. I'm a novice at this probably I should take some time to learn before doing any edits again. Thanks for taking time to clarify things. Please know it wasn't intentional and that's why it made me angry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Globalnitish (talk • contribs) 09:15, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Globalnitish: One thing that is useful is the "Show preview" button – that gives you a chance to see what the page will look like after you have clicked "Publish changes". ("Show changes" will show exactly how the code will change with your edit. Don't be afraid to click those two "Show" buttons to see what happens, because they don't save any changes you've made. That also means that you have to remember to click "Publish" as well, if you do want to save the changes you've previewed.) I don't always remember to use Preview though I try to do so, and from time to time I realise I made an error I would have caught if I'd used it! That always feels a little silly. Another good habit to get into is to look at the page after you have edited it and published your changes. (Again, something I don't always remember to do...) --bonadea contributions talk 10:40, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

New skin care cosmetic brand and their botulinum ingredient.

Yes frankly I'm an employee. I realized how reckless my attempt to list was with my first article whether I declared conflict of interest or not. Thanks for everyone reviewed and gave comments.

I've been thinking scientific or patent documents about this new cosmetic ingredient derived from Botulinum Toxin are too difficult to understand. (Methionyl r-Clostridium Polypeptide-1 Hexapeptide-40)

So, simply thought explaining about ingredient development back ground, process and results would be helpful to understand as well as spreading knowledge of Gene recombinant protein.

I made a mistake to approach telling the company and brand which using this ingredient with my first article.

Can anyone advice me whether this subject is appropriate for Wikipedia, and the good way to deal with this topic.

Thanks in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Joonki7 (talk • contribs) 04:30, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Joonki7: Welcome to the Teahouse! It sounds like you're aware of the Wikipedia:Plain and simple conflict of interest guide. The answer to your question is at Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Primary criteria. Someone writing a good draft will find what the independent reliable sources have to say about the company/brand and then summarize it in boring encyclopedic terms. GoingBatty (talk) 04:38, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
You appear to be asking if it is possible to write an article about the ingredient (topically applied botulinum-derived polypeptide) as a skin wrinkle treatment without naming the one company in the world that is making and selling the ingredient. Is there science literature, i.e., review article(s) about multiple clinical trials? — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 11:14, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Handling alternative spellings

Good Afternoon,

I am writing an article which mentions a High Sheriff of Somerset - A Robert Fitzpain (no article on Wikipedia - yet). Some sources spell his surname that way but many others spell it as Fitzpaine and even Fitzpayne. Even primary sources spell it in many different ways. Should I just pick a variation and stick with it, or should I mention there are a number of ways of spelling his name (which I would really like to do)? I would really appreciate some advice on the best way to go.

Thank you very much for any advice, Richard (I am sorry if I chose the wrong place for help - I am still quite new and I promise I did look at the help pages! Gricharduk (talk) 12:41, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Gricharduk, welcome! And this is a good place to ask. I think I prefer what you prefer, either as an ordinary parenthesis or like in David (with a so-called Template:Efn). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:04, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Perfect - I love the use of the end footnote as well! Thank you so much for the advice (and the welcome) Gråbergs Gråa Sång and for replying so quickly. You are a star! Have a great day. Gricharduk (talk) 13:18, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Moving pictures from Wikimedia to a Wikipedia page

Have a cup of tea and enjoy seeing Commons images on Wikipedia

Does anyone know how I move a file from Wikimedia to a Wikipedia article? Redstoneprime (talk) 12:02, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

@Redstoneprime: Actually, you don't move any image from Wikimedia Commons to Wikipedia (though the other way around is occasionally be done). Instead, you simply insert a link to the image that exists on Commons into the relevant Wikipedia page. Here is an explanation for you:
I am assuming you have already found an image image you want to use on Wikimedia Commons? If not, go to this main page and type a keyword in the search box (it's at the top right in desktop view). If you find an image you like, but it's not quite the right one, you could click one or more of the "Categories" listed at the very bottom of the page. This helps keep related images together and helps you find others.
It could be like this one of a cup of tea that you want to use. Using an exisiting one is easier that a brand new image of your own that you would first have to upload from scratch. So, click on the link in the previous sentence, or click the photograph you see here - you're taken to the same place - and look just above the picture, and beneath the filename where you'll see a line of five small links. Look for the link with the tiny Wikipedia 'W' logo and the words "Use this file". Click that link and select the text offered to "Use this file on a Wiki as a Thumbnail". (The convention is always to add an image as a thumbnail, no matter how much you'd love to make it larger.) Copy the link to your clipboard and then go to the Wikipedia page you want to add it to (let's assume we want to add it to the page we're on now). Edit the page (ie click the tab labelled Edit Source). Scroll down to the section you'd like to add it to, and paste in the text you copied at the very top of that section. By default, this adds the thumbnail picture and its caption on the right hand side of the page, as you see here. To change the caption text, just edit the text to the right of the vertical bar - or 'pipe'. Don't change the filename.jpg text itself or the image link will be broken. There are some useful links on this help page: Wikipedia:Images with further guidance and tweaks, or detailed layout possibilities at Wikipedia:Picture tutorial.
Of course, if you are using the alternative Visual Editor (which is a bit more WYSIWYG), the process is slightly different. You once again navigate to the section where the image is needed, then, in the editing toolbar, click Insert > Media. At the search bar in the popup that then appears, type the keyword to search for certain image types, or just type in the filename of your image you've already chosen from Wikimedia Commons. Select the image and then click 'Use this image'. Before inserting it you'll be prompted to add a caption. Captions can include hyperlinks, but that's probably best left for another time. I hope this helps.
If you need advice on actually uploading your own image first, that requires a slightly different answer and a mention of copyright issues. Let us know if you need further help on that. Regards from the UK. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:39, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
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