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Ban/Block

What is the difference between a block and a ban? TeaLover1996 (talk) 18:04, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. You'll see them described at WP:Ban and WP:Block, and particularly at WP:Ban#Difference between bans and blocks. - David Biddulph (talk) 18:08, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
For all practical purposes there's no real difference, except that blocks can be imposed by a single administrator acting unilaterally, whereas bans require the recruitment of a gang to support their imposition. Eric Corbett 18:39, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
"The recruitment of a gang" is poor wording to say the least. What Eric means is that bans require a consensus among editors, as detailed at WP:BAN. Sam Walton (talk) 18:55, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Same difference. Eric Corbett 19:29, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
A block is a technical measure to prevent someone from editing. It can be imposed by any uninvolved administrator (though unilateral blocks of established editors are frowned upon). A ban, on the other hand, is a formal agreement that a given user may not edit. Bans are intended to be long-term and may only be applied after a community discussion or by the Arbitration Committee, Wikipedia's highest dispute-solving body. Bans are almost always accompanied by blocks for enforcement purposes. --Jakob (talk) 20:43, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

need an article about my company

I want to get an article written about my company International Plastics. Obviously there is a COI with me working there.RogMorton (talk) 17:53, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Would your company meet the notability requirement do you think? In other words, has it been featured in reliable secondary sources? Eric Corbett 18:43, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi RogMorton and welcome to the Teahouse. While it is not forbidden to try to write an article about a company you work for, it is strongly recommended that you do not since it is very hard to write a neutral and unbiased article about something so close to you. You also need to put a notice of you COI on your user page (which you need to create) so that other editors may know of your connection with the company. You can see an example of such a declaration on this page: User:ICare82. And as suggested on your talk page, only use the Wikipedia:Article wizard so that the article will be reviewed before it perhaps may be moved to the main. w.carter-Talk 20:22, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi User:W.carter the page: User:ICare82 does not exist. Could you please clarify? My user page is where I am going to try to write the article about my company? If that is true how is a wikipedia expert suppose to know this? Or amd I just creating a user page about myself?? Sorry to not understand. Thanks for your help.
@RogMorton:Sorry about the link, it should be working now. I think you have misunderstood the purpose of the Wikipedia. This is not Facebook or LinkedIn where you create pages about yourself or your company, it is an encyclopedia where articles are written about noted people, companies, events, locations, etc. To have an article about a company here in the Wikipedia it has to be notable enough, that is being written about in secondary reliable sources such as newspapers, books and some websites. Your user page is where you introduce yourself as an editor here at the Wikipedia. We who volunteer here are here to help build this encyclopedia, not promote companies, there are many other sites for such things. You could read Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not, and ask yourself: "Would your company be noted enough to be presented in the Encyclopedia Britannica, or some similar work?". That is how you need to think. Hope this makes things a bit clearer. w.carter-Talk 20:54, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Hello RogMorton. Please note that your signature is a red link. That is because you have not created a user page. You should do so immediately, declaring your conflict of of interest there. You can begin drafting an article about your company in your sandbox, which can be reached from the menu bar at the top of the page when you are logged in. The draft must be written from the neutral point of view, and based on what reliable, independent sources have written about your company. It is very difficult for most new editors to write an acceptable article about their own employer, and you should go through review with the Articles for creation process when you think you are ready. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:03, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm creating a page for a musician but there's already a different musicians page with the same name..

I'm not sure how to go about creating a page for the acoustic singer/songwriter Kevin Hammond when there is already a page created for a different Kevin Hammond. I'm sure the solutions is right in front of my face but I figured it couldn't hurt to ask :)

KevinHammondMusic (talk) 21:16, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi KevinHammondMusic, and welcome to the Teahouse. You should add a disambiguation to the end of your page's title, such as Kevin Hammond (British musician) or Kevin Hammond (singer) (both merely examples). Then provide a link atop Kevin Kato Hammond using the {{other uses}} template. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 21:24, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Hello, KevinHammondMusic. While G S Palmer is correct, I would strongly advise that you don't worry about the name of the article. If you create the article using the Article wizard, it will guide you to create it in "Draft" space, where the clash won't matter, and you can focus on the important things, such as references and a neutral, non-promotional tone. When you submit your article for review, the reviewing editor who accepts it will move it to the right place and sort out disambiguation. If you are Kevin Hammond, please be aware of the advice in autobiography; if you are not, your username probably contravenes Wikipedia's username policy, as it makes you appear to be impersonating somebody. --ColinFine (talk) 21:40, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Need Expert help

I am trying to create a wiki page for my mother as a surprise BDay present. She is a well known and published feminist philosopher. I have gotten about 60% done in my sandbox but I need help with photo and file uploads and references. Is there any service I can safely ask/pay for help209.6.74.196 (talk) 19:24, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, IP editor. Your Teahouse post is the only edit from this IP address, so there is no way for me to look at the draft. Can you provide a link to the sandbox draft, please? Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:24, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Draft:Draft:_A_Nye&action=submit209.6.74.196 (talk) 20:32, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
thanks for any help you can offer209.6.74.196 (talk) 20:33, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
I'm sorry to break this to you, because I can see you are wanting to give a special gift; but this is a really bad idea. Have a look at An article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing. If you don't get it right according to Wikipedia's policies (and it's especially hard for you to get it right, because you have a conflict of interest, and because you're working to a deadline), it is likely to get declined when you submit it for review, or deleted if you put it directly into article space yourself; and if you do succeed in getting it accepted, there's no telling that it will remain in the form you would like, especially if the subject is at all controversial.
But if you want to go ahead with it, you need to understand that an acceptable Wikipedia article should be based almost entirely on what other people have said (in reliable published sources) about the subject. Every single piece of information in the article should be individually referenced to a reliable published source, and apart from uncontroversial factual data like places and dates, it should be referenced to a source unconnected with the subject. Please read your first article and referencing for beginners. --ColinFine (talk) 20:46, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Please familiarize yourself with our notability guideline for academics. Your current draft is entirely lacking in references, and solid referencing that proves your mother meets that guideline is essential if the article is to be accepted. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 20:51, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
i very much appreciate your response, this is not a page about myself but a credible, notable and published author. I was just just looking for editing and finishing help and wondering if there were viable services one could employ. Thanks anyway. 209.6.74.196 (talk) 20:55, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
By the way, I have moved the page from Draft:Draft: A Nye (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs) to Draft:Andrea Nye (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs), since it seems like a better title. G S Palmer (talk • contribs) 21:03, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
209.6.74.196: I would also recommend that you create an account instead of just using an IP. It will give you many benefits when editing and makes it easier for other users to interact with and help you. Also, offering money for editing is usually not a good thing here, we are all volunteers here and we will help you if the subject of the article is notable enough. That is our only interest. w.carter-Talk 21:18, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
i have created an account. is it safe to share that here?209.6.74.196 (talk) 21:23, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Of course it is. Your account is much safer than your IP which can be traced, your account can not be. I assume that your account is EvelynSaybrook since that was the user who created the Draft:Andrea Nye. The Wikipedia is a very transparent community where there are very few secrets. Please just use your account from now on since it is against the rules here to edit from two accounts per WP:SOCK. I'll leave the links on your account's talk page as well. w.carter-Talk 21:32, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Well, well! EvelynSaybrook or 209.6.74.196 It seems that you owe Moxy a really big thank you, since that editor took an interest, fixed up the article for you enough to move it to the real main space. And did so, so that other editors can come and add to the article. Your mother will get her birthday present after all. Congrats on Andrea Nye! Even so I hope that you will stay with the Wikipedia and help us create other articles. Best, w.carter-Talk 21:47, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Now if you have a photo that you have taken yourself and is willing to donate to the Wikipedia, you should upload that at the "picture library" called Commons so that it can be used in the article. You start here and the guide will walk you through the process. When you have done that you can tell Moxy or me, and we'll guide you in how to place it in the article. w.carter-Talk 21:55, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Articles lacking inline citations

Why are articles that lack inline citations but have "sources" without notice that they are needed since it is rather ridiculous for readers having to go hunting and pecking rough sometimes what are numerous and complicated secondary sources of very exacting subject to find the source when the contributor should have done that originally as it is expected of all articles. And if they should what is that template? A list of secondary sources is not a replace for inline citations66.74.176.59 (talk) 18:52, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Greetings, 66.74.176.59. It sounds as though {{more footnotes}} is the template you want. If I've misinterpreted your question, try looking at Wikipedia:Template messages/Cleanup for a more appropriate one. Deor (talk) 19:08, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

After review and link it appears:

is more appropriate as there is a "sources" book list but no inline citations.66.74.176.59 (talk) 23:01, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

New request (Need Expert help)

Would love some expert help too. I've added the sources, but am not sure anymore how to proceed...Adisa
Ok...I'll try again. Would love help too. I've added the citation sources in the article, but not sure how to do footnotes. etc.Adisa Communications (talk) 22:22, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi Adisa Communications and welcome to the Teahouse. In your case things are not as simple as in the post above. First of all your user name is that of a company, which is a big no-no here on the Wikipedia. You need to change that right now. See how at Wikipedia:Changing username. Second, the name of your Draft is Draft:Yolanda Lee Conyers. I did a very quick and cursory Google search and found that Yolanda Lee Conyers and Adisa Communications are mentioned in the same hit a lot of times. That suggests that she is somehow connected to the company that you seems to represent, maybe you are Yolanda? In that case you have a Conflict of Interest. There is another post just a couple of sections below this one that explains a lot about that. Check it out at #need an article about my company. Best, w.carter-Talk 22:52, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
No, I'm not Yolanda. I'll change the name. And I'll take a look at the link you recommend.

Adisa Communications (talk) 23:30, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Need additional feedback on the Diane Downs article

I need some additional opinions on the Diane Downs article. Currently, the lead reads:

Elizabeth Diane Frederickson Downs (born August 7, 1955) is an American woman convicted of the May 1983 murder of her daughter.[1] She is convicted of shooting her three children, killing one and seriously wounding two. Following the shooting, Downs told police a stranger had attempted to carjack her and had shot the children. She was convicted in 1984 and sentenced to life in prison.

Another editor believe it should read:

Elizabeth Diane Frederickson Downs (born August 7, 1955) is an American child murderer.[1] In May 1983 she shot her three children, killing one and seriously wounding two. She was convicted in 1984 and sentenced to life in prison.

This is an issue I've discussed before on other articles and I believe the current wording is the most neutral wording for a number of reasons. We can't truly know whether or not someone is ever truly guilty, so stating that someone is objectively a "murderer" is potentially wrong information. However, if we take a step back and write what they are convicted of, we will have an accurate article no matter what. Secondly, there are often people who have an opinion on the subject of the article and they can use the subtle wording to convey how they feel about the topic. Take a look at the Amanda Knox article for a good example of dueling sides. Having standard, neutral language like what I believe is currently in the lead disallows both sides from imparting their opinions into the article. The Downs article is a good example of an article where wrongful conviction advocates have dueled in the past with the guilters. It makes it very difficult to have a good article. I believe this is a good compromise that will lead to the least amount of edit wars.

I think this type of language should be used in all crime articles, regardless of how certain we are of their guilt, because it is most neutral and can lend a uniformity to crime articles. There are many crime articles where a person has been convicted but their guilt is seriously in doubt (like WM3) as well as many crime articles where the person is widely considered to be guilty. If we were to go by conviction as to whether we say "This person is objectively a murderer", we have an inaccurate encyclopedia because a certain percentage have been wrongfully convicted. There are also some, Wm3 for example, are not considered by most to be guilty. Certainly no one would say "These three guys murdered the kids". That's an inaccurate look at the case because it's not common belief. If we were to go by "how most people feel", then we have an encyclopedia based on opinion. Neither are what Wikipedia should be. It should be unbiased and factual.

The other editor feels that she's definitely guilty, so saying anything aside from that is apologetics.

Any opinions on the topic would be welcome. I'm having a difficult time getting this editor to discuss the issue with me. Bali88 (talk) 23:19, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm not familiar with any of these cases (and I have no idea what the heck "WM3" or "Wm3" is supposed to mean, though maybe it's obvious to people in your part of the world). But I agree with you completely about the need for neutral language and about which of the blockquoted paragraphs should be used (the first). --Thnidu (talk) 03:00, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. It would help reach consensus if you post your opinion on the article talk page. And WM3 was my abbreviation for West Memphis three. Bali88 (talk) 04:26, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Bali88, I agree that the proper wording is that an individual was convicted of a crime, not that they are a "child murderer". The relevant Wikipedia policies are:
...but these primarily concerned how to write about a person who is accused but not convicted of a crime or criminal act. But they might help a little with your argument. Liz Read! Talk! 00:22, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks so much for giving your input. I've considered going forward and attempting to get the "convicted of" written into policy, but I haven't gotten around to it yet. Would you mind if I posted your comment on the talk page to help us with the discussion? Bali88 (talk) 00:52, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

What is a Stub?

Explanation please. Thanks! :) DangerousJXD (talk) 00:34, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi DangerousJXD! A stub is a really short article, often containing the bare minimum necessary to identify the subject, but otherwise does not provide a very complete encyclopedic coverage of it. Anyone can create a stub, and they are generally good starting points for articles that could potentially be expanded in the future. However, sometimes, we don't have enough information to write anything more than a stub — such topics are called "permastubs" and oftentimes articles created about them may be merged into bigger articles or nominated for deletion on grounds of lack of notability. If you are still confused, leave a follow-up question below and I or another Teahouse host would be happy to clarify. Cheers, Mz7 (talk) 01:00, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Create an User Page

Bonjour, how to create an user page?,Thanks--Fête dans la vie (talk) 23:41, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

It looks like you have a user page at User:Fête dans la vie. If you are talking about creating a sandbox page or a talk page archive, just type in the browser User:Fête dans la vie/Sandbox or User talk:Fête dans la vie/Archive 1 and it should bring you to a blank page you can edit. Just be sure to save your work. Liz Read! Talk! 23:54, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict)Hello Fête dans la vie and welcome to the Teahouse. I have left you some links and tips about that on your talk page. w.carter-Talk 23:56, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Merci (to W.Carter and Liz) ;)--Fête dans la vie (talk) 23:58, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
HelloUser:Fête_dans_la_vie, W.carter helped me fixing my user page, and to make interesting, i took help from GSK. You can visit my sandbox, how i am working on it if you like the style of User:GSK or User:W.carter or both! Both have amazing formatting of userpage!

~"aGastya" ✉ let’s talk about it :) 02:05, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Sandbox v. 2.0

Sometimes i feel that i need 2 sandboxes! and So is there any harm if i type this URL and hit create? ~"aGastya" ✉ let’s talk about it :) 03:18, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, Acagastya! No, there's no problem with having two sandboxes. Many users have several. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 03:23, 25 February 2015 (UTC)


I should add, though, that those many sandboxes are usually for drafts of articles. I do not know if anyone has multiple sandboxes just for testing. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 03:24, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Okay thanks!

~"aGastya" ✉ let’s talk about it :) 03:29, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I did something but I don't know what

At this user page at the bottom there was a link that said "Mark this page as patrolled". Do I clicked on it then the next page said this page is now patrolled. What did I do? DangerousJXD (talk) 04:00, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

@DangerousJXD: Hey Dangerous. Well, first of all, you clicked the shiny red button without knowing what it as for. Do you do that often? How did you know that it wouldn't start a global thermonuclear war? What you did was indicate that you had assessed the page as either appropriately dealt with (i.e., marked for deletion, tagged for maintenance, etc.) or that it was okay "move along, nothing more to see here". See Wikipedia:New pages patrol/patrolled pages. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 04:16, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi, DangerousJXD, welcome back to the Teahouse. "Patrolling" a page just means checking that there are no serious problems (or, if there are, tagging it for speedy deletion or something like that). Actually, the page seems to have copyrighted song lyrics, so that needs to be investigated. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 04:15, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

wikipolicy

i saw recent talk at chairman page about name of page. can helpful person humbly help explain difference of policy and guidelines and essay? confused... Togashi Yuuta (talk) 06:44, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. The differences are explained at Wikipedia:Policies and guidelines#Role. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:12, 21 February 2015 (UTC)
humble thanks for link. much clearer now. Togashi Yuuta (talk) 05:36, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Is my age a problem?

Hi, I'm only 13. Is that a problem for Wikipedia? Should I really be an editor? I do have a IQ of 130. Does that matter? IndiePhunq (talk) 00:01, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to Wikipedia. Wikipedia welcomes editors of all ages, so long as they make constructive edits. However, you might want to read our advice page for young editors for tips on how to stay safe and other things. Ultimately, though, it's competence and maturity that really matters, so a gifted young editor who conducts him/herself professionally should ideally be treated the same way as any other editor. You should be aware, however, that the community has varying opinions on this subject. --Biblioworm 00:05, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi IndiePhunq To add to Biblioworm's excellent answer, just make sure that this is the only time you mention your age. Even if the Wikipedia is a very safe place, it is after all the Internet and you should be careful. Best, w.carter-Talk 00:18, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Adding to the helpful advice you have received above, I also suggest that you don't mention your IQ, IndiePhunq. There is only one socially acceptable way to show how intelligent you are here on Wikipedia, and that is to pitch in and help improve the encyclopedia. Welcome! Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:45, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Can someone please help me

Hello, I resubmitted a draft on January 24, 2015, but because I had to do some re-tweaking on the draft, to meet the standards of a Wikipedia article, I had to back out of my resubmission. I was wondering, is it possible to resume from where I left off, or do I have to go through the resubmission process again? Graceking123 (talk) 03:51, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Graceking123, welcome back to the Teahouse! Reviewers will always look at the latest version of the page, so you don't have to "back out"; just keep improving the page while it is waiting. Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 04:17, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
@Anon126 thank you!! Graceking123 (talk) 05:57, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

How to start writing article for an I.T. Company?

I want to write an article for Zonic Digital Inc. its a web designing and digital marketing firm based in San Jose, California. How can I start writing an article for the same? Can I create a company Profile for it? Disharulzme (talk) 06:45, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Disharulzme. Is that the company that operates out of an apartment complex in Milpitas, California, and has all the typographic errors on its website? If so, I am 99% sure that the company does not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines. But I could be wrong. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:52, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Yes Cullen, I am referring to the same Company, I am a part of the Company and would appreciate your assistance, Can you guide me as to how can I rectify the errors?? I will be grateful if you could guide me. Disharulzme (talk) 07:12, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Web design companies ought to have impeccable websites if they expect to be taken seriously, Disharulzme. Digital marketing firms ought to have a basic understanding of how Wikipedia works, especially how it should not be used as a marketing tool. Start by reading the Primer for beginners. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:20, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Cullen, Thank you for the guidance,I will do so and get back to you if I get stuck somewhere. Disharulzme (talk) 07:59, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Article with no citations.

Hello. I am glad to ask my question in the magnificently furnished Tearoom: What should I do when I find an article which is obviously the result of WP:Original research and has absolutely no WP:Reliable sources? I don't mean just tagging it: I mean getting it out of the encyclopedia altogether until it is put into good shape. I refer you to Poldark Mine as an example. Thanks. I will have a cup of tea while I wait. GeorgeLouis (talk) 07:21, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, GeorgeLouis. The first thing to do is a basic search to see if the topic has received coverage in reliable sources. I found [https://books.google.com/books?id=F7r19YBWvtUC&pg=PT196&lpg=PT200&focus=viewport&dq=Poldark+Mine&output=html_text

https://books.google.com/books?id=F7r19YBWvtUC&pg=PT196&lpg=PT200&focus=viewport&dq=Poldark+Mine&output=html_text a book] that devotes several pages to the history of the mine. It is mentioned in lots of tourist guidebooks too. It is far better to improve an article on a notable topic, rather than deleting it. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:32, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Actually it did have one citation, so I changed the tag from Unreferenced to Refimprove. It also has a list of "Sources" at the bottom, and the mine itself is a World Heritage listed site. So there seems to plenty of reasons to expect it is probably Notable. What it really needs most of all is incline citations.--Gronk Oz (talk) 08:12, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Verifying Account

Is there a process that I need to take to become a verified Wikipedian in the US?

Thanks!

Chsumusic (talk) 08:54, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

All you need to do is confirm your e-mail address provided you had added it. Read this WP:INHERIT
~"aGastya" ✉ let’s talk about it :) 09:11, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi, Chsumusic. There is another concept in Wikipedia, known as an autoconfirmed user - some actions such as creating new pages can only be done by an autoconfirmed user. English Wikipedia user accounts that are more than four days old and have made at least 10 edits are considered autoconfirmed - so you have already reached this milestone, congratulations.--Gronk Oz (talk) 10:05, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Info boxes

I would like to add an info box to a site but really need to see a variety of good examples of info boxes to be able to start formulating ideas. I have read the information on how to create an info box on the wiki pages but always seem to need a bit of human explanation to put me on my way. The info box is for Playdale playgrounds and I want to do a potted history. Thank you for your help. (13:43, 25 February 2015 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sianhunter (talk • contribs)

Hello, Sianhunter. Playdale Playgrounds is a company, and there is already an infobox for companies, which can be found at Template:Infobox company. It is quite extensive and should have everything you need. However, you can find out more at Help:Infobox and Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Infoboxes. You can ask specific questions of the folks at Wikipedia:WikiProject Infoboxes, who are a group of editors who like to create and edit infoboxes. However, don't forget to address the current issues with the article, which are listed at the top. —Anne Delong (talk) 15:26, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Establishing notability for companies?

Hi! I'm currently torn on whether or not Cupcake Digital Inc. meets the guidelines for notability outlined in WP:CORP (specifically WP:CORPDEPTH). Most of the references on this page are links to "best of" lists by various publications, and the notability guidelines for companies specifically state that "[i]nclusion in "best of", "top 100", and similar lists does not count towards notability at all". I would argue that this article simply does not provide enough external, non-award evidence that the company is significant enough to warrant an article. However, I'm a newer editor, so I'm nervous about nominating for AfD since I'm not completely sure whether or not this article complies with the notability criteria. I'd appreciate any feedback, thanks! Fisheriesmgmt (talk) 16:04, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm still fairly new as well. Are there 3rd party references such as news articles or interviews in credible news outlets, books, etc with any of the company's founders or on the company itself? If not, it may be a stub article or start class article. Deesm (talk) 18:12, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
To avoid any confusion which might arise from Deesm's reply, if there are no 3rd party references, the article isn't stub or start class, it is deleted. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:51, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Missing References

Hello. I am trying to create an article, but my submission was declined several times due to missing reliable sources. It is that that most of the sources are primary ones. But i do not understand why, as most of the sources are newspaper articles. Can someone help me? Thanks. Leachim 1 (talk) 09:57, 25 February 2015 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:ISA_Internationales_Stadtbauatelier — Preceding unsigned comment added by Leachim 1 (talk • contribs) 09:59, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Leachim 1. I have had a look at the sources and what you may need is to give us some where the subject of the article is being discussed by other people rather than purely documenting what they've done. For instance, clicking on a source at random turns up project pages, which look like a summary of what the atelier has been doing, not what other people think of their work. Try reading the guidelines on reliable sources and if possible look more for independent, third party discussion of the subject's work rather than just sourcing their projects directly from primary sources, which do include newspapers directly reporting the involvement of the company in the project. This is quite a hard thing to get right. LouiseS1979 (pigeonhole) 18:58, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Identifying a language in the text

Were would I find the templates for identifying the language of text that is other than Eng/Am?also include the code for the different languages?66.74.176.59 (talk) 22:45, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to Wikipedia and Teahouse! All the different types of English templates for use in article are available at Category:Use English templates. If you are looking for other languages, you may find it available on the far left side of the page. you should see 'Languages' panel, which contains interlanguage links to sister sites in another language. Best, ///EuroCarGT 03:08, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Hello, 66.74.176.59. I understand your question a bit differently from EuroCarGT, and think you want to insert a quotation or name in another language into an en article, and are looking for a template to wrap it in. If so, you'll find them listed in Category:lang-x templates. --ColinFine (talk) 19:19, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

What happened?

I was just adding refs to a draft of mine, and the lower half of the article vanished. (Compare it with the current version.) Is it just my computer, or did I do something wrong? --Biblioworm 04:27, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Fixed. You forgot to add / to <ref name=Bade2011> after "loggia". APK whisper in my ear 10:25, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks APK. That's why coding has always frustrated me: you miss a mere symbol and ruin the whole thing... --Biblioworm 15:20, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Biblioworm, no problem. APK whisper in my ear 19:42, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Help on a resubmission problem

Hello everyone,

I have a situation I need your help with. Back on January 24, 2015, I resubmitted a draft to Wikipedia. But because of a decision to find more research about the topic, I backed out of my resubmission. Is there a possibility that I can resume my original position for review on my draft? Graceking123 (talk) 18:13, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft is now back in the review queue, dated from when you resubmitted it a couple of days ago, so all you need to do is wait. You can, of course, continue to improve the draft while you await the review. --David Biddulph (talk) 18:48, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you David for the quick response. I know I'd submitted the draft a few days ago, but I originally resubmitted it back in January 24, 2015. The resubmission never was reviewed because I back out of the submission process. Before I backed out, the disclaimer on the submission box stated that I had to wait 3 weeks until my draft was to be reviewed. A month passed since I'd originally resubmitted my draft before backing out, my question was, is it possible to get my spot back since my originally resubmission was never reviewed? Graceking123 (talk) 19:07, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Drafts are not necessarily reviewed in the order in which they were submitted anyway, but in my view if you decided to remove it from the review process then it loses its place on the "queue". As I said earlier, there is nothing to prevent a draft from being improved while awaiting review, but if you decided that it wasn't fit for review, then it waits until you again believe that you do want to submit it. I see that you had tried to put it back to an earlier spot on the queue but another editor reverted your attempt to do so, and in my view it was reasonable of him to do so. Remember "There is no deadline". --David Biddulph (talk) 20:55, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

submitting a start class article or stub article

I want to submit an article on a notable documentary film company who's made some innovative projects. I know there aren't enough references for it to be a full page article, or it may possibly be that. How does an article get the designation start class? Does that come from the editors?Deesm (talk) 18:15, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to the teahouse Deesm...yes it comes from editors ....see Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Assessment FAQ for more info. -- Moxy (talk) 19:07, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Hello, Deesm. I'm afraid that if there aren't enough references, then the article fails notability, and will be deleted (or declined, if you create it through the draft process). A stub is (or should be) only a temporary stage through which an article passes: creating a stub with the intention that it remain a stub is not acceptable. --ColinFine (talk) 19:37, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for the feedback. I have some good references from credible sources now. I understand a stub or start article aren't meant to remain that way. Although, I've added to some articles that seem like they had been stubs for quite a while.2602:30A:2C89:9E50:21C:B3FF:FEB8:28C8 (talk) 21:27, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Changes I made to a page on the web version don't appear in the mobile version

In the page about the actress Eve Best I added a section on Theatre and Awards. I did this via my Windows PC and it appeared to be successful. However, when I view the page on my iPhone Wikipedia app, those sections don't appear. Am I doing something wrong? Ac159 (talk) 19:10, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

I'm afraid I don't see them either, Ac159; and I've tried purging the page. The last edits to it are the ones you made on the 21st. I don't know why your later edits haven't saved. --ColinFine (talk) 19:44, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
@Ac159: The page history [1] shows you last saved edits 21 February. Are you referring to edits before or after that? I see a third table at Eve Best#Filmography with heading "Theatre", and I see a section at Eve Best#Awards and nominations. Is it those you are missing? If so, does your iPhone have a browser cache you can clear? Wikipedia:Bypass your cache has instructions for normal browsers. I don't know how iPhones work. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:48, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks for your suggestions. It was displaying fine on my PC and my iPad Wikipedia app but not on my iPhone Wikipedia app. I tried clearing the Safari cache but that didn't work (I guess because the Wikipedia app doesn't use Safari). There was no option in the Wikipedia app settings to clear the cache. Restarting the app didn't fix it either. In the end I clicked on a link in the app to go to another page and then navigated back to the Eve Best page and it seems to have fixed itself. I guess doing that refreshes the page. The app appears to have no refresh button and restarting it doesn't refresh so you have to refresh by navigating away and back. A bit obvious when I think about it, although would be useful to have a refresh button. Ac159 (talk) 21:30, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Inappropriately named article

I just came across the article List of African American men in STEM fields. The article itself is not a list at all; it is a biography of one man (Donald R. Brown). Apparently he was an early African American dentist, so probably would belong on such a list, but surely the article needs to be renamed to reflect its contents. I don't know how to do that, or whether it needs an Admin - can a kind Teahouser please point me in the right direction?Gronk Oz (talk) 04:28, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Welcome back to the Teahouse, Gronk Oz. The move procedure is what we use to deal with an article with the wrong name. This involves moving the text from one article name to a better article name. Any registered editor with more than 10 edits and four days with the project can move articles. I have moved the article you noticed to Donald R. Brown. I express no opinion about the notability of the topic, but in its current form, the article is more of a family memorial essay than a proper biography. Any editor with an interest in improving the article is welcome to do so. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:46, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Brilliant; thanks for doing that, Cullen - and so quickly! I share your reservations about the style of the article, especially since it is less a biography of the man and more about the single incident at his graduation. I fixed up a couple of quick things and added some categories, but I have a couple of other projects on my plate at the moment so I will leave it for another editor to work on it some more. Thanks again, as ever.--Gronk Oz (talk) 05:28, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
I've nominated the redirect for deletion as it's obviously misleading. --NeilN talk to me 05:34, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Good call, NeilN. Thank you. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 05:39, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
While reading some discussion of Wikipedia on Facebook a few minutes ago, I discovered an event called Wikipedia:Meetup/DC/African Americans in STEM, which almost certainly motivated creation of this article. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 07:14, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Yep, and that points to a List of African American women in STEM fields. But currently there is no such list for the men.--Gronk Oz (talk) 08:14, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
The list article became a redirect when I moved the dentist article, Gronk Oz, and was deleted because it was not a plausible or proper redirect. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 21:45, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

How to insert a carriage return in the text

Hi Experts of Wikipedia,

I was trained to use new lines to separate items in a list when doing technical writing. While I understand that an encyclopedia is not the same as an "Executive Summary", there are definitely times when I would prefer to have some vertical spaces added.

What is the character I need to use in order to make spaces between paragraphs?

Thanks, SocraticOath (talk) 16:33, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi, SocraticOath, welcome to the Teahouse. It seems you already know how to add space between paragraphs; if you want to add more space, add more newlines. Or are you asking about something else? Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 16:50, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Hi SocraticOath, and welcome to the Teahouse.
You are doing it exactly right at the moment - 2 line returns, which leaves a clear break in the text in the edit window as well. These breaks help people to navigate the edit window, where the text can be several times longer than the visible text on the page, and be cluttered up with references, wiki-code etc.
If you want to start a new line without a line between, type <br /> or use the "enter/new line" back arrow symbol under "Advanced" just above the edit window, which enters <br /> for you.
Please do not enter more than 2 line returns, as this can lead to excessive "whitespace" which annoys many readers, and remember that other readers may be using a plasma TV, an iPad or a phone to read the page, which will configure the text and pictures very differently, so do not spend too long trying to get a page to look "just right" to you, as it may well look "totally wrong" to a reader with a different width screen. - Arjayay (talk) 16:59, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
And to add to the previous replies, the Manual of Style at MOS:PARAGRAPHS refers to "a single blank line". --David Biddulph (talk) 17:03, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
But if it really is a list, SocraticOath, consider using a bulleted list, with each item preceded by * at the start of the line: see WP:BULLETLIST. --ColinFine (talk) 19:33, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Or for a numbered list, preceed each line with a cross-hatch (#). For a simple list, use a colon(:). The different built-in list styles are listed at Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Lists#List_styles.--Gronk Oz (talk) 22:11, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

How to correct ISBN numbers?

In https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Facial_composite&action=edit is referenced an ISBN number which is incorrect, as the PUBLISHER(!)'s ISBN does not correspond to any ISBN entry. How does one notify the ISBN agency and publisher of this egregious oversight? SalineBrain (talk) 14:24, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

@SalineBrain: Hmm, looks like this singular error sparked past conversation See Help talk:CS1 errors/Archive 1#Correct ISBN gives error. Per that discussion, this is also the ISBN actually printed on the paper book cover and credit page. It resembles but is not identical to a number of numeric book identifiers in other language databases for the book. I am betting somewhere in the works something happened akin to a fly landing on a typewriter key and causing Buttle to be written as Tuttle, setting off a cascading series of events. Anyway, I'm not sure what can be done to correct this other than contacting the actual publisher in Poland and/or Worldcat itself, or whether it would not gum up the works more in correcting this ex post facto rather than just letting it lie. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:39, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

File:Nuclear_Power_Corporation_of_India_Logo.svg this is a link of NPCILs' logo. And it is in fair use. What i want to ask is can i upload another picture of it? How i found this logo: because my parents work in this company and get an yearly diary on which this logo is printed. Reason of using: Want to use it making an userbox. Reason of asking: The link has fair use concerns and thus can we upload a companies logo if we have an access to some of their products having the same? ~"aGastya" ✉ let’s talk about it :) 08:11, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello, aGastya. I have changed your URL above to a Wikilink. If I understand what you are asking, you say that the company logo is already on Wikipedia as a fair use image, and you are asking if you can upload another copy for a different use? The answer is no. Unless the logo has been released by its copyright owners under a suitable licence such as CC-BY-SA, it may not be used on Wikipedia except under the very strict non-free content criteria, which include that it must be used in an article where "its presence would significantly increase readers' understanding of the article topic" . Whether you happen to have a printed copy is irrelevant, and doesn't change its copyright status. --ColinFine (talk) 08:22, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Okay, thanks!

~"aGastya" ✉ let’s talk about it :) 08:23, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Creating a new entry

Hello,

I need to create a new entry (a biography). I have edited existing entries before, and it hasn't been difficult, though a bit archaic. To create a new entry I suppose I could copy an existing entry, edit it to create a new one and submit it through the sandbox. But editing tags is so 1980s and I was wondering if there are more modern tools, e.g., import/export tools for MS Word. In short my question is this: it there an alternative to editing html-like tags? I am probably missing something...

thanks for any guidance.

bahman bahman (talk) 17:55, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Which html tags are you seeking an alternative to? Every article I have created has been copied from an existing article, pasted into a text editor (various), edited and pasted into the article creation page, then submitted. The Wikipedia edit interface is clunky, but pasting works well, and copying an existing article means all the necesarry html is already in place and easy to copy and paste to and from the text editor. There are also drop down options above the edit box to help with citations; although I usually use basic citations then fix them later, the drop down filler will complete citations for books and journal articles based on identifiers. MicroPaLeo (talk) 19:09, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
@Bahman: Hey Bahman. There are a few options at Wikipedia:Tools#Importing (converting) content to Wikipedia (MediaWiki) format, though I have never tried them. Regarding html-like tags, are you including in that wikimarkup? A lot of brand new users try to use html tags (which do work) instead of the preferred wikimarkup, such as two apostrophes on either side of text formats italics, while three formats boldface (five for bold and italics), rather than using <i></i> and <b></b>. See the cheat sheet for the basics and Help:Wiki markup for much more. Best regards--Fuhghettaboutit (talk) 23:09, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi MicroPaLeo,

Thanks. You have given me the answer I needed. I was going to create a new article using and existing one as template, but wanted to know if there were a better way, i.e., a page creation tool. I can live with editing an existing page into a new one, though I was hoping something more 21st century!

Thanks again, bahman bahman (talk) 10:23, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Warning

Hello. I saw some users start from a Level 2 warning, however, in WP:UWUL#Levels, it makes no mention of starting from a level 2 warning, only from a level 1 warning for mild vandalism and from a level 3 warning for obvious bad faith warning, so, what does starting from a level 2 warning mean. And when should i use the level 4im warning, and can i use it when warning an ip with a talk page composed of warnings and with a history of being blocked?11:02, 25 February 2015 (UTC)Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa123|UPage|☺★ (talk)

Ok, i have read it a level 2 warning may be used for experienced editors, any other uses? And answers to the other questions?Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa123|UPage|☺★ (talk) 11:28, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
  • Hi Andrei Marzan, at first I'd always recommend to step up through every level, however once an editor becomes more used to the vandalism/warning/reporting/banning process they can use their own judgement. You'll notice different experienced editors have different styles. In the case of account with a history of persistent vandalism and blocks, I think some editors are over lenient always starting at level 1, others over harsh and to quick to jump to level 4. I tend to go the middle route and if the vandalism is obvious, and there is a history I will jump in at a level 2. I sometimes but rarely skip levels 2 & 3 - one example this week was an obvious new sock account who had the previous two accounts already banned - they went straight to a lvl4 one and only warning. The thing you have to be careful of with IP accounts with really bad histories is they are often schools, so each year they are different people. Its possible one kid could cause several years of blocks, but then have left the school, so the next bad edit could be one really deserving of good faith.
So in short, if in doubt step though all the levels, but you can use your own judgement to skip if your happy to justify your actions to the admins. Hope that helps — Cheers KylieTastic (talk) 12:25, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks User:KylieTastic, I'll set my standard, if it's a first time I'll go from one, if the editor is experienced, from level 2, if obvious with a history from level 3. Thanks again. - Yutah Andrei Marzan Ogawa123|UPage|☺★ (talk) 13:02, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

collapsing

on my userpage i have 8 categories of userbox. when clicked on show, the userbox below it falls down making it aweful! can it be avoided?

How else would you like to Show the contents?--Gronk Oz (talk) 16:02, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Which infobox to use?

Hi! I'd like to ask if which infobox (school or secondary school, or anything else) is more appropriate in this situation: A school in the Philippines caters to students and pupils from Kindergarten to Grade 12. Thank you! — MG (talk) 04:16, 25 February 2015 (UTC)

Hi, Marvgabo, welcome to the Teahouse. We have just {{infobox school}} for schools below the university level (unless someone knows another one I overlooked). Anon126 (notify me of responses! / talk / contribs) 04:22, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
Hello, Anon126, thank you. So should I change an existing {{infobox secondary school}} to {{infobox school}}? — MG (talk) 07:09, 25 February 2015 (UTC)
@User:Marvgabo yes, please replace the infobox as infobox secondary school is due to be merged into infobox school, thus all instances of infobox secondary school have to be replaced anyway. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 19:44, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Replacing a picture

The photo on my own page (Carl Mitcham) is old (from 2006) and not of very high quality. I have a better one but cannot figure out how to insert it in place of the old one. Thanks. Cmitcham (talk) 17:19, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Hello, Cmitcham. If you have an image you would like to upload and (this is very important) you own the copyright to, you can upload it to Commons under a free licence.
Then, you edit the original page. The first line of the code says "[[File:Carl-mitcham1.png|thumb|Carl Mitcham]]". You simply replace File:Carl-mitcham1.png with the new filename (which will be the title of the Commons page plus the File: prefix) and...there you go. LouiseS1979 (pigeonhole) 19:57, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi Cmitcham and welcome to the Teahouse. To add to the answer above, the Commons that is mentioned is the "picture, sound and video library" where most of such files used on the Wikipedia are kept. You will find the page for uploading a picture at this link. A guide there will take you through the steps of uploading the pic. Also be advised that when you upload a picture there, you thereby donate it for free public use in any form, for altering or for commercial purposes, etc. And, ahem, it is not your "own page", it is Wikipedia's article about you. ;) Best, w.carter-Talk 20:06, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Hey, thanks, W.carter. I knew there was something I was missing. LouiseS1979 (pigeonhole) 20:41, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Changing PNG to JPG?

On Wikimedia Commons, I made a mistake and uploaded a picture as PNG when it should have been JPG. I've tried "Upload a new version", but that's been rejected because the .jpg changes the file name. Is there any way to swap the PNG for a JPG without uploading from scratch and requesting a deletion?

Image in question: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Rocket_Engine_Hot_Fire_2.png

CamelNotation (talk) 04:25, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

Welcome to Teahouse! Unfortunately, you can't quickly change a file format once it has been uploaded on a set file format. For example, I can't overwrite a .PNG with a .SVG. You would need to re upload the image as a second version using the new file format. ///EuroCarGT 04:39, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks! That makes sense, but I'm a bit disappointed (and embarrassed) for not being able to correct my bad format mistake without going through the deletion process CamelNotation (talk) 04:43, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
@CamelNotation: It's an optional to request to delete it, you could feel free to upload the .JPG and not use the .PNG file on the articles used. ///EuroCarGT 04:52, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Speaking as a Commons admin, I assure you it's not a big deal to request deletion for minor mistakes like this. Please don't give it another thought. Powers T 15:45, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good, thanks. I'll re-upload and request deletion when I get a chance. CamelNotation (talk) 22:02, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
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