Wikipedia talk:Requests for adminship/Dendodge 4

Editing stats for Dendodge at 16:28, 31 August 2009 (UTC):

General user info
Username: Dendodge
User groups: rollbacker
First edit: Mar 24, 2007 20:14:00
Unique articles edited: 4,477
Average edits per page: 2.76
Total edits (including deleted): 12,364
Deleted edits: 1,246
Live edits: 11,118

Namespace totals
Article	2824	25.40%
Talk	605	5.44%
User	1598	14.37%
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Month counts
2007/03	10	
2007/04	0	
2007/05	0	
2007/06	0	
2007/07	0	
2007/08	0	
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2008/03	1890	
2008/04	964	
2008/05	1700	
2008/06	798	
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2008/08	627	
2008/09	130	
2008/10	540	
2008/11	467	
2008/12	517	
2009/01	776	
2009/02	310	
2009/03	88	
2009/04	58	
2009/05	416	
2009/06	86	
2009/07	230	
2009/08	74	

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Accounts created: 49
Pages moved: 41
Pages patrolled: 315
Files uploaded: 21

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Reply to Dendodge

..trying to avoid the excessively long threaded discussion, so I'm replying here on the talk page. Dendodge, I do not see your comments as badgering. Not even remotely. In fact it's a pretty reasonable thing for a person to say. So part of me admires your statement about seeking help from those more experienced. But, having mulled over this issue extensively, part of me sees that danger lies down that path as well. Taken to extremes, you're basically saying that you'll act as a meat puppet for some unknown person in some chat room. All editors, admins included, need to act as a check on each other. In order for this to work, they need to be acting independently, using their own good judgement. Having an admin who is not acting independently kind of defeats the purpose, does it not? If 10 different editors arrive independently at a particular conclusion, there's a good chance that this conclusion is reasonable. If 1 editor and 9 yes-men arrive at a conclusion, this is really only as good as that 1 editor's opinion. Wikipedia needs more independent thought, more individual analysis and decision-making. People lining up to say "I agree with this because so-and-so told me it was a good idea" can only ever hurt Wikipedia, it cannot help. Friday (talk) 20:06, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I said "consult", not "agree with". I would listen to what they recommended, but form my own opinion. There's usually more than one of them, anyway. This would only be temporary, until I have more experience as an admin, as I said further down the page. Dendodge _T\^C 20:10, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I, for one, would prefer that new admins do a lot more consulting before acting. Obviously not for everything, and independent judgment is a good thing, but in general - don't make a controversial block of a long-standing editor in your first week without possibly a third opinion. :-) Tan | 39 20:58, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I absolutely agree that going slow to start out is a good thing. Pretty much any reasonable admin probably did exactly that. People learn how to do things by actually doing those things- Wikipedia is not magically different. I just wanted to point out that there's a downside hidden in there, also. We want admins who will be bold, but not too bold. We want admins who will consult others when it's useful, but we don't want people who are afraid to press a button without someone telling them what to do. It's all a balancing act. My reservations here are due in part to young people being notoriously bad at dealing with situations requiring judgement calls- they tend to prefer black and white rules. Friday (talk) 21:06, 31 August 2009 (UTC)