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Small request

Hello, I need to delete my old username which is redirecting to my page? Can you help me with this deletion? If not, who should I talk to? Thanks in advance. Benzekre (talk) 11:47, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Looks like this has gotten sorted? Nikkimaria (talk) 23:59, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Yes. Another admin help me out. Thanks anyway! Benzekre (talk) 06:42, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

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Talk:Italy#Biased against Italy

Hi, I didn't read the whole article. I would like to ask you: do you think what this user wrote is true or not? Almost everything seems fine to me. JacktheBrown (talk) 12:35, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

I think the article is mostly appropriately balanced. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

I hope the article isn't even a little biased against Italy, it wouldn't be fair at all. JacktheBrown (talk) 14:40, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

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Why did you delete Kellogg?

no need to just redirect it as he is such a popular character and has an entire character arc and should not be reduced to a simple page with no text and a simple redirect. Please answer me as to why you did this WikipedianAncientHistorian (talk) 20:25, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi WikipedianAncientHistorian, the article's only reference was to an open wiki, which is not considered a reliable source. It also does not appear that the character has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject, which is what is generally needed to have a standalone article. 20:30, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

FAC Mentoring

I talked to Gerda Arendt on having my article I'm working on (Sarah Geronimo) for FAC months ago, and she said that she is currently busy with other things. Which is why I'm finding a second mentor for FAC. Do you mind checking the article and my sandbox for any feedback, updates, and improvements? Thank you. ScarletViolet tc 12:54, 24 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi ScarletViolet, pop music isn't really my area of interest, but I can give some general feedback. Could you clarify your plan regarding the sandbox? Will it replace the current article, or are you going to try to merge the two? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:02, 25 September 2024 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria: Sorry for the late reply. The content of my sandbox will replace the current article once its complete. Currently, I believe it's 85-90% complete. ScarletViolet tc 12:18, 26 September 2024 (UTC)

A kitten for you!

For kind assistance at DYK

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Working paper numbers

@Chipmunkdavis: - @CambridgeBayWeather: Not sure what is best to do here. We have some great infomation from User:John Cummings about forest being added all over...however they are using a working paper not peer reviewed or published in an academic journal or offical yet. In the cases of Canada we have "real" numbers. Though the numbers are close to Canada offical numbers they are a bit off. I plan to fix the Canada numbers..but what about the rest?

Working paper = https://openknowledge.fao.org/server/enwiki/api/core/bitstreams/a6e225da-4a31-4e06-818d-ca3aeadfd635/content

The Forest Resources Assessment Working Paper Series is designed to reflect the activities and progress of the FRA Programme of FAO. Working Papers are not authoritative information sources – they do not reflect the official position of FAO and should not be used for official purposes. Please refer to the FAO forestry website (www.fao.org/forestry) for access to official information. The Forest Resources Assessment Working Paper Series provides an important forum for the rapid release of information related to the FRA programme. Should users find any errors in the documents or would like to provide comments for improving their quality they should contact fra@fao.org

Offical numbers = https://natural-resources.canada.ca/sites/nrcan/files/forest/sof2023/NRCAN_SofForest_Annual_2023_EN_accessible-vf(1).pdf - Moxy🍁 12:19, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

@Moxy I'm out of town until Sunday, and I forgot my laptop. I'll take a look on Monday. CambridgeBayWeather (solidly non-human), Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 12:37, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

I saw this pop up on Botswana but haven't taken a closer look yet. As an initial comment, these pushing the same edit over hundreds of articles type missions don't usually lead to great improvement. I'm not opposed to an FAO working paper in principle, but I would not use it over the Canada document you link. CMD (talk) 12:59, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Chipmunkdavis:, @CambridgeBayWeather:, @Moxy:, just to correct a missunderstanding, to clarify:

• The numbers do not come from the working paper, the working paper is to provide a reference for the terms used in the text.
• The numbers come from the main UN Food and Agriculture Organization Global Forest Resources Assessment, the data for Canada is taken from this page. The data for the FRA is collated from each government, so there will also be a Canadian government source which also includes these statistics (perhaps the one you reference). The data collated by the UN is published every 5 years since 1948 so its possible that the source you site is more up to date.

I hope that helps

Thanks

John Cummings (talk) 13:21, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. It's not a bad source, but like all UN data it should be treated with care. An odd case, for some reason Italy submits a different official English name to the UN than it uses on its constitution's official English translation. CMD (talk) 13:47, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

I think regardless of sourcing, the level of detail being added is excessive for a top-level country page. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:27, 27 September 2024 (UTC)

Singapore ethniticities

Regarding the cleanup at Singapore, while ethnicity can sometimes be hard to put figures on, in Singapore it's a strictly regulated system where each person is legally assigned to a race. It would likely be a better reflection of the country for the reader to include that in the infobox instead of citizen vs resident. CMD (talk) 02:03, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

No objections to swapping from me. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:05, 28 September 2024 (UTC)

Chicken gun is a game

Shame on you for deleting my edit 36.65.196.37 (talk) 07:39, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Hi IP, if there is sourcing to demonstrate the game is notable, then there can be an article about it and a hatnote that points to that article. But external links don't belong in hatnotes. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:41, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

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Subordinate clauses

You should pull out a book on English grammar and review punctuation with respect to subordinate clauses. Your undoing of my edits to Stanley Kubrick show that you are deficient in this area. — Foxtrot1296 (talk) 04:21, 1 October 2024 (UTC)

Newspapers.com renewal error

Hi there,

I requested a renewal for complimentary access to Newspapers.com on September 27. However, I cannot access the full archive. When I clicked on "Account Details," it reads under the Subscription info, "You're currently a Registered Guest. This free subscription gets you access to search newspapers but you will not be able to view the full page. Get a paid subscription for access." Birdienest81talk 08:04, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Birdienest81, your account has to be activated by Newspapers.com before it will have full access - suggest trying again in a week or two. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:31, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Hallowell

Why did you scratch the pop-cultural ref to The Frozen River? You just asked for relevance; how-ever, it is common in Wikipedia articles to include songs and books that focus on the given community. This particular book about Martha Ballard, midwife in the village in the 18th century takes place almost exclusively in the community and gives a picture of its character. Kdammers (talk) 06:06, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Kdammers, per this RfC such entries require secondary sourcing indicating their significance to the topic. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:39, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you!

		The Original Barnstar
		To Nikkimaria on the occasion of your closing the Minneapolis FAR as kept. A thousand thanks for more than a year's coordination. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:29, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Congrats to you on the fine work on that article. Nikkimaria (talk) 23:01, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Reference bundling

I assume you seen my reference bundling at Canada. Was thinking of doing this for other FA country articles... because in my view it makes things so much more legible.... what do you think Japan Germany Australia? Help:Citation merging. Moxy🍁 23:27, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Moxy, I find bundling useful when there's a reason to do it, like adding annotation, but I'm not generally a fan for just combining citations - in my view having multiple clickable numbers is no different from a usability perspective from having multiple citations within one clickable number (plus it makes it harder to repeat a single ref). Nikkimaria (talk) 01:18, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Bithia Mary Croker

You reversed my correction of her birthplace. It is written on her gravestone, which can be seen on findagrave. Is this not reliable enough? RabbitFromMars (talk) 10:31, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Oxford DNB also writes "Croker [née Sheppard], Bithia Mary (1847–1920), novelist, was born in Warrenpoint, co. Down, on 28 May 1847" (it's paywalled, but this part shows up with a Google search), so I will add Warrenpoint again. RabbitFromMars (talk) 14:22, 10 October 2024 (UTC)

Perfect, I've added that ref, thanks. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:08, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

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Parsec

Unless there's a real reason as to why my popular culture addition about the Terminator and Parscs shouldn't be added, don't remove it. What reason would there be? It's popular culture and I cited the references. Metaphysical typist (talk) 22:06, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parsec#In_popular_culture — Preceding unsigned comment added by Metaphysical typist (talk • contribs) 22:10, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Metaphysical typist, this type of content needs reliable, secondary sourcing that indicates its significance in order to be included. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:16, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Really?! The pop culture tidbit above mine using citation #23 has an invalid link! I went above and beyond to cite my sources. Metaphysical typist (talk) 06:51, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, really - if other entries are inappropriately sourced those should be addressed rather than more added. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:12, 13 October 2024 (UTC)

Peer Review Request

Hello Nikkimaria, I was wondering if you could give this article a peer review? I saw you on the peer review volunteer page and wanted to ask someone for one. The article is Adi Meyerson and here's the peer review page. She's a jazz bassist in New York City who has released two albums so far. I came across this article a week ago and have been improving it as much as I can. I'm not a very experienced editor and I'm sure I'm missing a lot in this article. Any feedback would be appreciated.

Thanks, Surfinsi (talk) 23:27, 11 October 2024 (UTC)

rimsky korsakov

hi hi, seen you’ve taken down my rimsky-korsakov infobox, i checked the note and the annexed wiki project, and decided to still add the infobox as the talk page for him isn’t active, how shall i proceed with it? Antniomanso (talk) 10:35, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

The talk page is now active so let's continue this conversation there. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:52, 14 October 2024 (UTC)

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William D. Hoard portrait

Hi Nikkimaria, I was looking at your comments on the William D. Hoard portrait and I am having a heck of a time fixing the link. The Wisconsin Historical Society doesn't allow direct linking to specific portraits from what I can tell, and this particular version of this image doesn't appear to exist in their archives anymore. Going to the WHS portrait search, searching for William D. Hoard, and downloading their image collection (clicking print on the left side, selecting images) provides a PDF with various images in it of the oil painting, including what appears to be a restored/more color-accurate version on the last page. These images should be public domain, but it's not clear to me if the digital recreations are also public domain, nor if the WHS Terms of Use actually applies in this case or if it only applies to purchased images. I'd be curious for your thoughts and any suggestions you might have. Thanks for looking! M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 02:03, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi M4V3R1CK32, iff the original image is PD, I don't think there have been significant enough changes that the new version would be anything other than PD. But what leads you to believe the original is PD? I don't see anything in the WHS portrait record on copyright status, despite what the ToU says. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:09, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

The portrait was painted in 1891, so it should be PD by virtue of being published prior to 1929 according to Commons if I am understanding everything correctly. Near the bottom of the portrait entry it says "This portrait was painted in 1891 by James Reeve Stuart (1834-1915)". M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 02:17, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi M4V3R1CK32, publication has a very specific definition in US copyright law, and simply being created or even displayed prior to 1929 does not guarantee that it meets that definition. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:19, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Learn something new every day! The portrait entry says this in the second to last paragraph:

This portrait of William Hoard was donated to the State Historical Society of Wisconsin by Governor James O. Davidson. It was noted thusly, "Oil portrait, framed, of Gov. W.D. Hoard, formerly hung in the Executive Chamber, Capitol. Painted by J.R. Stuart, September, 1891." (Proceedings of the State Historical Society of Wisconsin...1907, 1908, p. 92.)

So if I'm reading things correctly I think that would satisfy the requirement in section 1902 by transfer of ownership to be considered published, and it would still be PD by this definition of publication in 1907-1908:

Section 101 of the Copyright Act defines publication as “the distribution of copies or phonorecords of a work to the public by sale or other transfer of ownership, or by rental, lease, or lending.

Does that make sense to you? I am very much a novice with this kind of thing and want to make sure I'm doing things right. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 02:29, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi M4V3R1CK32, 1902 references distribution to the public - I don't think what's being described here would qualify. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:32, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

I wonder if the state historical society being a government agency would impact that at all? In any case, I think the provision for unpublished works or works for hire would apply for it be PD.

Commons says for unpublished works, if there is a "Known author with a known date of death [copyright lasts] 70 years after the death of author." James Reeve Stuart died in 1915, so it has been more than 70 years since his death and the portrait should be PD under that provision.

If the portrait was work for hire (which seems likely) the copyright term has also expired. Works for hire had their copyright expire 120 years after creation, so anything created prior to 1904 is PD according to the chart I linked on Commons (also available on the Copyright rules by territory page). The portrait was made in 1891, so it has been PD for at least 13 years if it was work for hire and I'm reading things correctly. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 02:50, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

If it was never published before 2003, PD-US-unpublished would be the way to go. Is that known to be the case? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:04, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

I think it may be old enough where even if it had been officially published at some point in the last 100 years, it wouldn't make a difference. The Commons Copyright rules by territory page says the copyright expires when "the earlier of 95 years after first publication or 120 years after creation" comes to pass -- it could be officially published tomorrow under the definition of publication in chapter 1900 but 120 years would still have passed since its creation, so it should still be PD I would think. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 03:32, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

It might make a difference, depending on if/when it was published. If never before 2003 or definitely before 1929, it's PD. But if it was published at some point after 1929 but before 2003, maybe not. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:39, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

That's an interesting interpretation, one that could cause problems for a lot of portraits on Commons now.

When it comes to publication, the "[offer to] distribute copies... for purposes of further distribution, public performance, or public display, constitutes publication." We know that the portrait hung in the "executive chamber" (either the governor's office or governor's conference room), both which are a gray area as far "public" areas go. Does that constitute being published under the rule of intent to distribute for public display?

It was also given to a government agency (the historical society) in 1907 or 1908. That agency is charged with the "preservation and care of all records, both printed and written, and all articles and other materials of historic interest and significance placed in its custody"[1] as well as charged with cataloging those materials "for the more convenient reference of all persons who have occasion to consult the collections", including the ability to loan out materials [2], which sounds an awful lot to me like it was offered to be distributed for public display, constituting publication ~116 years ago, which would make it PD.

I don't know! It's a weird question. Appreciate you sticking with me this long and considering everything on this topic. M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 05:22, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

The original display of the work would fall under "public performance or display of a work does not of itself constitute publication" per 1902. As to the historical society, unless there is an agency-specific exception that I'm not aware of, unpublished materials available in an archival capacity are still considered unpublished. See for example this statement from the Society of American Archivists]. (As they and you note, this creates lots of problems, especially when the provenance of a work is less clear.)

So in terms of moving forward for this image, I'd suggest doing some searching to see what's the earliest confirmed publication of the portrait you can identify. Once we've figured out what that is, the next steps will be much clearer. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:34, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi there! Thought I'd circle back to this discussion. I've done all the digging I know how to do, including searching copyright registrations back to 1923, and have seen no instance of the portrait being registered for copyright nor evidence of a formal publication. I took the discussion to the copyright village pump on Commons and editors there believe the portrait to be in the public domain, so I think we should be good. Thanks for all the discussion here! This was a great conversation. Cheers M4V3R1CK32 (talk) 15:43, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

"Murder of"

Over the years I have seen you delete infoboxes within Wikipedia articles. Sometimes I agree, sometimes I do not. Is this a thing on Wikipedia that there should only be one infobox per page? I agree that having 5 would be excessive, but for a "Murder of" article for example, if there is only one perpetrator involved I fail to see why there is a need to remove an infobox for the perpetrator if one already exists for the victim, especially if the article is already reasonably long. I can't see in Wikipedia policy where this a thing to only have 1 infobox per page. Inexpiable (talk) 16:36, 16 October 2024 (UTC)\

Hi Inexpiable, these templates are to "summarize[] key facts about the page's subject", which in the case of these articles is not the perpetrator but rather the event. As per WP:1E, for people who are notable for only one event, we should avoid the creation of pseudobiographies. Nikkimaria (talk) 21:24, 16 October 2024 (UTC)

East Germany and Polish People's Republic

Hi Nikkimaria, I see that you keep deleting descriptions in make for governments of Eastern block countries. I personally don't think that the overly short description of "socialist republic" works for either of these two countries. Considering that the type of socialist country they were were Marxist-Leninist in nature, I think it would be more accurate and informative to describe them as what they were, Marxist-Leninist one party socialist republics. There are many other pages of Marxist-Leninist states where they're government description is the same as I had put for East Germany so I don't see why it shouldn't also have its description as such. As for the Polish People's Republic, I think that the inclusion that it was under a stalinist dictatorship from 1947-1956 and the detail about the country being under a military junta are good details as they show how the form of government changed. I think the way you oversimplify the descriptions is reductive and degrades the quality of the articles. WildRaptor777 (talk) 05:56, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

I think the shorter version both identifies the government type and does so at a glance, but you'd be welcome to take your proposal to the articles' talk pages. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:23, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

I disagree, but thanks for being reasonable and respectful WildRaptor777 (talk) 01:00, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

I’ll make sure to take my proposal to the talk page WildRaptor777 (talk) 01:01, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

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Why did you remove his Find a grave?Johnny Spasm (talk) 16:24, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) Johnny Spasm, see WP:Reliable sources/Perennial sources#Find a Grave - SchroCat (talk) 16:35, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

That's the dumbest thing ever. Why would Wikipedia have a templet for a source they don't trust?Johnny Spasm (talk) 01:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Haydn discussion

Hello, I wanted to inform you that I added my vote to the infobox discussion for Joseph Haydn and as there appeared to be no consensus (5 votes for, 3 against), I removed the infobox pending further votes as I do not think as it stands there is clear consensus. I also object to how the infobox remained static for months until a new vote after months of no discussion was used to add the infobox. I do not think that adding it at this time is warranted. Barbarbarty (talk) 17:30, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know! Nikkimaria (talk) 21:15, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Source removal

Hi, I just wanted to explain a little bit more in-depth my reversion of your removal of the sources in Patrick J. Ryan (chaplain). Per Wikipedia talk:Citing sources/FAQ, grave markers are valid sources under {{cite sign}}. My understanding is that FindAGrave is not allowed for its user-generated, non-reliable content on obituaries, etc; the URLs in the sources simply give the non-free photos of graves being cited. Seeing as the citations would be valid and reliable without the link, I didn't think that adding the link as an additional piece of information with the grave photos would be an issue. If it is, please remove the links but leave the grave citations themselves. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 02:34, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Darth Stabro, what do you see as the benefit of doing that? Even if they belong to the people mentioned in the article, the graves don't support the claims being made about them. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:37, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

The name of his father and the full name (Johanna) of his mother are not found in any other sources at the moment. The Current Biography Yearbook 1955 source is currently offline until the Internet Archive figures its stuff out and the article is currently being reviewed for Good Article, and the reviewer asked for a source for the names other than that source. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 02:41, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

But this source doesn't give you that. Primary sources can be used only for they themselves say, without analysis or synthesis. You can prove that stones with those names exist, but not that they are the parents whose full names you don't have. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:49, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Fair enough. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk/Contribs} 02:58, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Rollback on Josefina Echánove

@Nikkimaria, I understand why you did it because I 99% of the time would have done the same. I get that it looks immensely weird to be changing the birth and death place on a dead person, Josefina Echánove. If you will have read the inline source from the LA times, the memorial that I added from ancestry thru the wiki resources. At some point, someone entered her place of birth and dying in Guanajuato. It's so bad because the Wikidata statement literally says it but cites a source that says the correct birth place of New york, I am at this moment updating the wikidata statements so I won't need to change the info in 7 different languages.

I thought my summaries would be enough to cause a second glance, obviously I was mistaken. Can you please self revert your rollback? RCSCott91 (talk) 19:30, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

FYI: the change was done by IP user 201.168.135.200 03:55, 14 October 2024. RCSCott91 (talk) 21:10, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

Done. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:27, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you RCSCott91 (talk) 07:13, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

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Newspapers.com account struggling to reboot after approval

Howdy Nikkimaria. Ain't the first time I've had to reach out to you about problems with my Newspapers.com account. You reapproved my registration, but the account still says Registered Guest rather than member. Just need a quick refreshers. I've logged out and in multiple times. Just wondering what the update is. Mitch32^{(it's you I like.)} 01:58, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Mitchazenia, after approval the account has to be processed by Newspapers.com, which takes a bit of time - suggest checking back in a week or two. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:12, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

Good article reassessment for Indigenous peoples in Canada

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Silverfish Popular Culture

I reverted it and then was going to edit it again to add more reliable sources, but you reverted it before I could add new sources. Then an "edit war" pop-up appeared. Idk, just saying. Deerare2good (talk) 02:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

What sources did you want to add? Nikkimaria (talk) 02:31, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

​​Everything You Need To Know About Silverfish

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Please let me know if you approve of these sources. None of these are wikis to my knowledge. Deerare2good (talk) 02:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

They're definitely better, but this type of content needs sourcing that demonstrates the subject's cultural impact, rather than just its use - see MOS:IPC. I don't think these quite get there. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:38, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

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Guy Fawkes Night

Hi, I noticed you reverted my edits. I use ISBN-10 for books published before 1 January 2007 and ISBN-13 for books published after 1 January 2007. I don't think this is wrong. Also, you reverted "LLC" deletion, but {{cite book}} states: Corporate designations such as "Ltd", "Inc.", or "GmbH" are not usually included.-- Carnby (talk) 20:11, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Why do you believe switching to ISBN-10 is correct? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:54, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Because ISBN-10 was standard until 1 January 2007 and ISBN-13 after 1 January 2007.-- Carnby (talk) 08:21, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

But when there is an ISBN-13 which is assigned to a work, what do you feel the benefit is of changing it to an ISBN-10? Nikkimaria (talk) 23:26, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

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Newspapers.com

Thanks for accepting my application! However, when I try to access Newspapers.com, I still receive the usual info I would if I used a free account. Is there a reason why? Tavantius (talk) 22:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Tavantius, it has to be processed by Newspapers.com - check again in a couple of weeks. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:25, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

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Wagner Infobox

Hello, I see you reverted my infobox edits on Richard Wagner.

I have reviewed the talk page and found a discussion on whether or not to include a infobox, but not on the content of the infobox.

I have added such a discussion to get things going: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Richard_Wagner#Infobox_improvements

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Query

Greetings @Nikkimaria. I just wanted you to tell me whether the following image is properly licensed or not.

Looking forward to your response. Regards. MSincccc (talk) 08:21, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi MSincccc, it appears so. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:06, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

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Newspapers.com

Hi, Nikkimaria! It's been a while since we visited. I've been busy growing old. *lol*. I was hoping my access to newspapers.com would have been granted by now–it's been a few weeks–so if it has, I have not received anything confirming it. I'm thinking my only resources about Don Decker (90+ yrs old) will be in news sources, so please advise. As ever...Atsme 💬 📧 21:32, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Atsme, if you log into your account, are you able to access full text? Nikkimaria (talk) 23:42, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm not sure to what you're referring. Is that a new feature? I don't have any issues at TWL relative to accessing my saved pages at TWL. This page is what inspired my question. Atsme 💬 📧 12:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

I signed in at their site with my WP account, and all is good. For some reason, I thought we had to use a different sign-in. Forgive my dorkness. All is well. Atsme 💬 📧 15:08, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Artwork in biographies

Hey, Nikkimaria. There's a new editor, HejRonja, continuing the cartoon additions of Maitesob that you've been cleaning up after. I've indeffed HejRonja, as the name itself is promotional (compare this edit), and inquired about socking on Maitesob's page. I have a notion that account has probably been abandoned, though. Please let me know if you should come across any more apparent socks that need blocking. Bishonen | tålk 20:21, 20 November 2024 (UTC).

Will do, thanks. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

RV of new category

Hello,

I noticed that you reverted my edits adding some pages to Category:Wikipedia Manual of Style (related guidelines) and that you modified Template:Manual of Style. This was my goal - using WP:BRD to test the waters for consensus, because I had no opinions either way on the inclusion of any of those pages. I am going to go ahead and reflect your edits on Template:Style as well. If you have any other thoughts, please feel free to let me know!

Once again, thanks for helping out!

JuxtaposedJacob (talk) | :) | he/him | 06:04, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Cool, thanks. Nikkimaria (talk) 06:31, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Lead sections

So there is now no guidance on how many paragraphs a lead section should be composed of? Rodericksilly (talk) 15:02, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Correct, it's been switched to a word count. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

So would this user's edit now be considered an acceptable lead layout? Because it looked like a complete mess to me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Only_Fools_and_Horses&diff=prev&oldid=1183400464

Rodericksilly (talk) 15:44, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

You can argue that's a bad edit for other reasons - a pile of short stubby paragraphs is bad writing for reasons other than there being a maximum number of paragraphs allowed. Nikkimaria (talk) 15:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Rafael Nadal article length

Myself (and another editor) have reduced the length of this article substantially, but I do not find it helpful for you to keep placing a too long tag on it. How about suggesting ways to reduce the length of the page or make changes to it yourself. I agree there is still scope for it to be reduced further (there was already a consensus established for reduction), but I am not prepared to do any more reducing until I know what you think should be removed. Tennishistory1877 (talk) 16:20, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Tennishistory1877, I appreciate that you've done some work there, but there is considerably more needed, and there is an existing suggestion by another editor on the talk page about how to approach that. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:12, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

There is a comment on the career section being trimmed, with a reduction in week to week results, is that what you are referring to? Having studied the article, I am surprised how much trivia there is in it. Personally I could not care less what Rafa eats or what films he watches. Also, the sections on equipment sponsorships and endorsements seem far too long to me. Tennishistory1877 (talk) 18:28, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, although there are absolutely other opportunities as well. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:35, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia Library Arcanum

Hey Nikkimaria

I applied for an access to Arcanum. You granted my application on 10 November 2024.

Until now I haven't received any code for the access. Last week I wrote Arcanum and they said that Wikipedia Library should provide me with a code.

Kind regards 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 14:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Malo95, you should have received an email - suggest checking your spam. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I couldn't find the mail. Have you send it to mail@malo95.ch? 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 15:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Did you receive a new notification? Nikkimaria (talk) 18:09, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I received a message at Wikipedia Library. But no E-Mail. Thank you. It works now. 🤾‍♂️ Malo95 (talk) 15:29, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Stockhausen

Please stop removing the opera from Oktophonie's "Related" section. Arguing that the information is contained in the opus number is like saying one can infer from A Clash of King's Dewey Decimal number that it is a sequel to A Game of Thrones. "1. ex 61" means absolutely nothing to most readers. The "Related" field in the musical composition infobox is specifically there for works like this. Trumpetrep (talk) 00:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't think that comparison makes a lot of sense, and the information is also provided above the image. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Your logic was that the Opus number implied the relationship. That's nonsense. The "Related" field is explicitly there to spell out the relationship.Trumpetrep (talk) 00:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

No, my logic is that you've already linked the piece from the Opus number, and therefore do not need to link it again; there is a broader problem with unnecessary repetition. The Related field doesn't spell out the relationship at all. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

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How to protect a user page

How to protect a user page! Thank you. Happy editing! Abduvaitov Sherzod 2008 Wiki X (talk) 14:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Abduvaitov Sherzod 2008 Wiki X, you can request page protection here, but I'd suggest first having a read through the protection policy - you usually need to present a reason why you think the page needs to be protected according to that policy. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:43, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

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tell me why Fandom is a unreliable source

You have been deleting my edits to the page "Wolfoo" because it has references from its wiki that is about the latter from Fandom(website). Why is it non-RS?Tell me. Spongebob796 (talk) 01:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Spongebob796, this page provides links to previous discussions, but to summarize, it's because it is a user-generated source. Nikkimaria (talk) 01:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, sorry mate. Spongebob796 (talk) 08:06, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Dispute Resolution

Wikipedia:Dispute_resolution_noticeboard#Nikolai_Rimsky-Korsakov I was instructed by a volunteer at the Dispute Resolution page to notify you on your talk page about the request. Trumpetrep (talk) 17:29, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Copyright problems/2024 November 29

Hi there, it seems that you find a copyright problems in Jordan Stolz. I've rewrite it and please check it isn't any problem. Thanks.

Rewrite: On November 2024, before the event of the 2024–25 ISU Speed Skating World Cup, he plans to speed up and stay ahead in this season. He shares his feeling and desire to go more faster as he targets his second Olympics at Milano Cortina 2026. Stolz won four races of the open season, including setting two track records, 1000 meters in 1:07.18 and 1500 meters by 1.07 seconds record, clocking 1:43.65 in Nagano, Japan. Stevencocoboy (talk) 04:12, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi Stevencocoboy, no, that's not going to be sufficient - that specific excerpt is still closely paraphrased from the source for it, and these kinds of issues appear to be pervasive in the article. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:14, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

How should I wrote? Can you give me some opinion? Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 04:16, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

In some cases, where opinions or intentions are being expressed, specific phrases like "plans to speed up" can be quoted, as long as they are appropriately marked as being direct quotes and a limited amount of quotation is used. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:24, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

First sentence rewrite: On November 2024, before the event of the 2024–25 ISU Speed Skating World Cup, he intends speed up faster in this season as he targets his second Olympics at Milano Cortina 2026. Is this any problems? Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 04:35, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes - "this season as he targets his second Olympics at Milano Cortina 2026" is still copied exactly and "intends speed up faster" is almost the same as "plans to speed up", with the addition of a grammar problem. Perhaps this is a language issue? Nikkimaria (talk) 04:38, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry I'm not American and hopefully you can considerate. First sentence rewrite: On November 2024, before the event of the 2024–25 ISU Speed Skating World Cup, he will training his speed skating skills in this season to prepare his second Olympics. Is this any problems? Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 04:49, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Perhaps it would be worthwhile to consider contributing to a non-English Wikipedia and/or doing tasks that don't involve adding prose? Paraphrasing can be challenging for anyone, and a language barrier only exacerbates that. Nikkimaria (talk) 04:52, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

So does it any problem or any mistakes in my rewrite? Thanks. Stevencocoboy (talk) 05:07, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

It is better in terms of paraphrasing, but it is also worse in terms of English language - thus my suggestion. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:10, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. How about second sentence rewrite: Stolz won four races in the open season, including setting two track records, 1000 meters in 1:07.18 and 1500 meters by 1.07 seconds record, clocking 1:43.65 in Nagano, Japan. Stevencocoboy (talk) 05:17, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

That has similar issues. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:43, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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Rolling Sky moved to draftspace

Thanks for your contributions to Rolling Sky. Unfortunately, I do not think it is ready for publishing at this time because it needs more sources to establish notability. I have converted your article to a draft which you can improve, undisturbed for a while.

Please see more information at Help:Unreviewed new page. When the article is ready for publication, please click on the "Submit for review" button at the top of the page OR move the page back. ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 08:02, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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Apologies! ＶＲＸＣＥＳ (talk) 01:11, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Is photo licensed?

Someone recently added this image: File:Frankie Grande Wicked Special Screening in NY.jpg to the Frankie Grande page. I clicked on the image, and it says that it is licensed under the creative commons 3.0 license, but I don't see any license at the source. Am I missing it? Thanks for any help. All the best, -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:12, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Ssilvers, if you click on "...more" on the description under the video, there's a CC licensing statement there. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:15, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you very much! -- Ssilvers (talk) 02:33, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Question about edit to Johnstown Flood

Back in February you added {{in popular culture|date=February 2024}} to this article. Was wondering what struck you as being specifically or generally irrelevant in that section. I am going to start work on adding sources for individual entries... - Shearonink (talk) 20:18, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

There are many entries in that section, some of which don't appear to be notable, others of which appear to be minor mentions (such as the TMNT example). Nikkimaria (talk) 23:28, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

Ok, fair enough. I'm going to work on that section & will be removing the maintenance template sometime soon. - Shearonink (talk) 01:31, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Mentoring for FAC

Hi, I'm contacting you because I noticed your username is listed at WP:FAM and I am interested in nominating a FAC but have never done so in the past. I'm contacting several people listed as FA mentors so if you are busy that is okay. The article is Neurocysticercosis, a parasitic brain disease. I have started a peer review for the article which can be found at Wikipedia:Peer review/Neurocysticercosis/archive1. Thanks in advance for your time and consideration! IntentionallyDense ^(Contribs) 21:54, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Question about edit to William Walker

Hi, I was wondering why you deleted 22 short paragraphs that my students added to this article. Thanks, Iwritehistory100 (talk) 03:11, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Iwritehistory100, biographies (even short ones) of that many other people are misplaced in an article that is meant to be a biography of Walker himself. I'm in the process of relocating the content and will ping you when that is done. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Iwritehistory100, now done; see List of participants in the Walker affair. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:29, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

CS1 error on List of participants in the Walker affair

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Iwritehistory100, this will be for your students. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:47, 4 December 2024 (UTC)

Washington

Hi Nikkimaria, I've noticed your help edits on the George Washington page a week or two ago, and also your similar edits on James Madison before that. My thoughts were to ask if you might be interested in looking at the Washington page with the possibility of moving it forward for a promotion. The James Madison article from last year was promoted and I thought it might be nice to do something like this for Washington as well. The Washington page seems to average over 10K page count daily which appears to highlight its visibility to Wikipedia readers, and maybe you might think about doing it as a co-nomination. Any thoughts? ErnestKrause (talk) 00:51, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi ErnestKrause, by promotion do you mean you'd like to nominate it for featured status? If so, I think the challenge will be ensuring that criterion 1c is met, given the sheer volume of sources out there. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:54, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, the FA nomination would be next in order. Your comment of the cites is accurate since the article is approaching 500 references. I've done a semi-random citation check of checking one random citation for each group of 20 cites in the article, and the article cites seem to hold up. The main ones among the citations at this time seem to be from the Ron Chernow biography of Washington which appear with some prominence throughout the article, and the cites look pretty well done. ErnestKrause (talk) 01:12, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Are there other biographies that warrant additional prominence, in your view? Nikkimaria (talk) 01:27, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

From the general standpoint, following the presidents in order, then the James Adams article is currently at FA, while the Jefferson article is somewhat undeveloped. The Madison article was promoted to FA last year, if that is what you were mentioning. The Washington article seems to have gone through an early phase and a later phase of editing in Wikipedia's history, with the later phase incorporating a thorough reading of the Chernow biography from 2010 by a previous editor. The Washington article appears to have the highest daily page counts of these four president biographies. ErnestKrause (talk) 17:17, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't clear - other than Chernow, are there other biographies of Washington that you think should be given prominence in that article? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:29, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

The current construction of the Wikipedia Washington biography appears to have started with the 1988 biography written by John Flexner a number of years prior to the Chernow biography in 2010. Chernow I believe currently is the most expansive and competent biography of Washington in recent years. The short list of some of John Ferling's leading book titles contains: Ferling, John E. (1988). The First of Men: A Life of George Washington. Oxford University Press. ISBN 978-0199752751. Setting the World Ablaze: Washington, Adams, Jefferson, and the American Revolution. Oxford University Press. 2002. ISBN 978-0195134094. The Ascent of George Washington: The Hidden Political Genius of an American Icon. Bloomsbury Press. (2009) ISBN 978-1608191826.

The current Wikipedia article which presently includes extensive citations to the Chernow biography is comprehensive in the coverage it provides going to about 90K in prose, and might actually be trimmed somewhat in size. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:26, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like a good plan. Nikkimaria (talk) 18:09, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

I've noticed your previous 'condense' edit from the Madison page and was thinking maybe you could try it for the Washington page also, which you did here: [3]. The wordy parts of the Washington article would benefit from this. My own plan is to start to target the "Commander in Chief" section which appears to be much too long at present, and it often looks like a duplication of the material already found on Wikipedia sibling pages for the 'Revolutionary War.' I'll try to start today. Regarding timing for the article upgrade, how does a co-nomination in about one week from now sound? ErnestKrause (talk) 15:58, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

I think that's a bit tight for a turnaround. I can certainly do a condensing edit this week, but once the content is set there's some additional work to do for FA level - citation formatting, MOS edits, checking image licensing, etc. I'd say two to three weeks is probably more realistic. Nikkimaria (talk) 16:02, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

That sounds pretty good for 2-3 weeks. I've already taken a pass at abridging those subsections I mentioned above in the 'Commander in Chief' section of the Washington article, and the subsections in that section are now all down to 3 paragraphs or less in each subsection. ErnestKrause (talk) 16:26, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi ErnestKrause, it looks like verifiability was raised as a concern in previous FACs for the article, so a bit more in-depth spotchecking will be warranted - do you have access to the Chernow biography to check that it supports the material that it should? Nikkimaria (talk) 03:54, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I'm in possession of the Chernow. In addition to the semi-random check of the article which I previously mentioned to you above, given your current note on more in-depth spotchecking I've gone further now. My current check took the first 40 citations in the article and checked all of the Chernow citations one-by-one. The result is that for the first 40 citations, there were 15 Chernow citations which held up very well on a one-by-one basis. For example, the Chernow cite for "tuberculosis" for his brother Lawrence did verify, as did the Chernow cite for "small pox" for George himself. Many of the Chernow cites also are paired as double citations along with other Washington biographers such as Ferling and others. I'm happy to do more checks on this if you think it useful, though this initial batch of Chernow cites has been fairly meticulous as to giving accurate page cites. Separately, I've further trimmed the article and removed some more of the images; the prose length may be lower now by 10K to 15K than previously. Your 'condensing' from yesterday looks effective for the opening sections and I'll look for more of it to come in the remaining sections. I'm going to continue with more MOS checks for now, and let me know if I should do more with the Chernow spotchecking. ErnestKrause (talk) 20:47, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

That looks like a productive week-end of nice edits for you in the article. Very clever use of the postage stamp image for Long Island. Are there any other areas that might need some further research or proof-reading. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:51, 16 December 2024 (UTC)

I was looking through some of the old reviews, and one major issue that came up other than verifiability and length was the use of dated and/or web sources over recent scholarship. There's a few dated sources remaining - do you want to take a look at potential replacements? Thinking particularly of Adams 1928 which should be a fairly straightforward swap. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:11, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Also Freedman, which appears to be juvenile literature - that was another type of sources that was raised as to be avoided. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:17, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Agreed on Freedman, and his book is now switched out with my rewrites for the new source which I have added. Alter wording as needed. The Adams (1928) cite on Benedict Arnold seems innocent enough and appears accurate. Let me know if you want it changed out. ErnestKrause (talk) 01:17, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't think accuracy is an issue, and I don't think we need to absolutely eliminate all older works, but I do think this particular one is worth replacing - it should be easy to do and not worth drawing extra scrutiny over.

Agreed. I'll try to have it switched out in the morning. ErnestKrause (talk) 01:35, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Adams 1928 removal was more of a clean-up than a revision since his material is covered by the Philbrick and Chernow cites already there. Let me know if there are more of these or if further research might be needed after your good trims from earlier. ErnestKrause (talk) 16:36, 17 December 2024 (UTC)

Cite #30 in article appears to have stopped working correctly on this edit [4]. Cite format listed in cite #30 itself for Coe in Bibliography. Could you look at it? ErnestKrause (talk) 00:51, 20 December 2024 (UTC)

I'm noticing the Holiday Greetings you are receiving below, and its been 2 weeks of improvement edits to Washington. Any thoughts of whether it might be good timing for putting the article up for FAC either before or after holiday celebration in 4 days? ErnestKrause (talk) 21:38, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

I'd suggest 27 December. In the interim, can you look through the old reviews and double-check that you think the previous objections have been satisfied? I think we're close but another pair of eyes wouldn't hurt. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:23, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good for 27 December. The cites seem to have largely been holding up, and I'll double check another ten of them today. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:28, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

P.s. I've just done all of "T to Z" in the book cites, and "Twohig, Dorothy (2001)" is coming back as an insecure link on my screen. Could you give it a look. The others are linking successfully mostly to Google Books. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:58, 22 December 2024 (UTC)

P.s. I've continued further this morning and just done all of "P to Z" in the book cites, and "Rasmussen, William M. S.; Tilton, Robert S. (1999). George Washington: The Man Behind the Myths. University Press of Virginia," is linking to a book about Hamilton by another author. I could just drop the link though I thought you might want to know. I'll try to do more cite link checks this evening. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:22, 23 December 2024 (UTC)

P.s. All the rest of the cite links for books did check out now from "A to Z". I'm not sure I'll be signing on much for the next day or two until Thursday and Friday. Good holidays. ErnestKrause (talk) 00:12, 24 December 2024 (UTC)

It looks like GMT is saying that it is 11-27-2024 and I'm thinking that I could put it on FAC either now or tomorrow night, unless you would like to do it at a different time. Article looks fairly stable. Any preferences? ErnestKrause (talk) 00:06, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Either is fine with me. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:21, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Nomination is in with your name added in the preface to the nomination as the co-nominator, and you can add your signature to it whenever you are ready. I'll try to sign in tomorrow morning if there are any comments. ErnestKrause (talk) 01:04, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

There seem to be new comment on the review page which I've started to address. Maybe you can pick up some of them, and I'll get to more of them tomorrow. ErnestKrause (talk) 15:40, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

More from Gog the Mild which I've started on. Maybe you can look at another of the subsections he looked at. I'll try to sign on tomorrow night again. ErnestKrause (talk) 01:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Filippo Mazzei spam

Hello Nikkimaria. I noticed our friend who was trying to add extraneous information about Filippo Mazzei to the American Revolution article has been adding the similar content to related articles as well; for instance he added Mazzei to Founding Fathers of the United States and List of military leaders in the American Revolutionary War. And he loves using the phrase "promoter of liberty" to describe Mazzei; as far as I can tell Mazzei is the only person described as such on Wikipedia. I've tried to fix these issues but wanted to give you a heads up. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 16:35, 6 December 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for letting me know. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:30, 7 December 2024 (UTC)

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Answer me. ZeroTwoAndHiroWW2 (talk) 05:13, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

It means the content was removed because it cited an unreliable source. Nikkimaria (talk) 05:15, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

Deaths from cardiovascular disease

I have to agree with you that not all known causes of disease are defining. However I think the ending of our overly large tree of death by cause articles, which leads to Rome people being in a half smdozen or more death cats, it going to have to be done on a case by case basis. I think Containerizing the cardiovascular disease Category is a good first step. I think the other thing we need to do is take seriously the fact that place of death is not defining.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:42, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

Agreed on the latter, though I hold out hope on the former. Nikkimaria (talk) 03:45, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

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Probably a better image, thanks (the one replaced was very good except for the pesky cloud). On your image {{Mount Rushmore}}, could that be the shadow and hair of Donald Trump nudging in to take his place to the right of Lincoln? I don't know if I've come to your talk page before, but certainly have joined you in many RM's thoughout the years. Happy holidays and best wishes for 2025. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:49, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

Cheers. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:23, 15 December 2024 (UTC)

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I saw you deleted my edit of Rand Brooks's article where I added his son Alexander died in 2016.

Is there a reason for it? The article mentioned his first wife being deceased

"He married Lois Laurel (d. 2017)"

and yet you got rid of my edit of his son's death. I'm a little confused so I'm wondering if there's a reason for it. RayKVega (talk) 02:13, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi RayKVega, the source you provided for that claim is generally considered unreliable. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:19, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Hair

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Hello Nikkimaria. Thanks for approving my Newspaper.com access request on the Wikipedia Library at the start of this month. Would you know how long Newspaper.com usually takes to next approve the request? Regards, starship.paint (talk / cont) 13:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Starship, yours was approved already - if you log into your Newspapers.com account you should have full access. Nikkimaria (talk) 14:22, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

Thank you Nikkimaria. This is certainly a welcome surprise. I logged in and they list me as 'Subscriber'. I suppose it has indeed worked! Lucky I checked in with you or I would just continue to wait. starship.paint (talk / cont) 15:01, 27 December 2024 (UTC)

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Mary Ball Washington article & years-living

I have a couple of thoughts about your recent edits removing birth years & death years citing MOS:BIRTHDATE in the Mary Ball Washington article...

• Many times in colonial American families, duplicate names are repeated from generation to generation and sometimes even repeated within a generation with especially male cousins and various male relatives being given the same name. The only way to keep them straight is to have the birth years & death years given alongside the names. In the Mary Ball Washington article, "Joseph Ball" is a name that is repeated between father and son and so it is helpful to readers to give the birth year & death year along with the name, for instance Joseph Ball(1649–1711) is the father and Joseph Ball (1689–1760) is the son.
• The MOS states "birth and death details"...are the actual years of birth & of death the details meant in this part of the MOS? If these years appear in the sources that are cited, it seems to me that the particular information should also appear in the articles (the months & days, for instance, would seem to be a possible trivial detail.) The actual length of people's lives who are members of notable figures' families - even if these people do not have their own Wikipedia article - can be important for our readership. I think including the birth year/death year should be retained.
  • Btw when I dug through the changing statements for MOS:Birthdate, I came upon this edit. The editor who added the initial statement seems to mostly have been referring to the subject of the article, that Wikipedia didn't need to repeat the subject's birth year & death year within the article text (especially because that information already appears in the lead section), it doesn't really seem to refer to other people's years-living information within an article. A pattern I noticed for this article is that even if the 2 Joseph Balls' years-lving is restored...well, when the years-living are removed, at least in this article, it reveals a possible iniquity regarding the familial women's information. - Shearonink (talk) 19:22, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi Shearonink, as far as I'm aware, previous discussions around the issue have come to the consensus that years for family members should generally be excluded (example; I recall a more recent discussion but can't find it at the moment). This seems consistent with WP:NOTCATALOG as well. In the context of this article, in the locations where the dates were included for the two Josephs, they are already being introduced as her father and half-brother, which provides the necessary context. Nikkimaria (talk) 19:48, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

The linked discussion you mention above was concerned with what "special contextual relevance" meant and there was no resolution. I think the birth year/death year is not trivial, is useful information for our readers, and such information does serve to differentiate, in an immediately clear way, historical people in an article who have the same name. WP:NOTACATALOG wouldn't seem to be all that relevant here since it is only concerned with Wikipedia Lists. We will have to agree to disagree on the matter of birth year/death year being included in articles. People's lifespans - when they are born and when they died - seems rather important to me. - Shearonink (talk) 20:42, 29 December 2024 (UTC)

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Please consider archiving much of your User talk page

Your User talk page is so long that it may present challenges for some readers' devices. The current rule-of-thumb is to archive when a Talk page exceeds 75 KB and this page is nearing 400 KB. Thanks! ElKevbo (talk) 22:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Done. Nikkimaria (talk) 22:11, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Specifying borough as place of birth / death in infobox

See Template talk:Infobox person#Specifying birth/death place within a city for a discussion I started to address your removal of a borough of New York City as place of birth and death in the infobox for Alan Berkman. I pinged you there, but wanted to be sure that you had been properly notified of the discussion. Alansohn (talk) 14:22, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Newspapers.com

You approved my application for access to Newspapers.com on Jan. 5, 2025, but it doesn't yet show up in "My Collections". Am I just impatient, or is there a problem? Thanks. Peter Flass (talk) 15:45, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi Peter Flass, it has to be processed by Newspapers.com - check again in a week or two. Nikkimaria (talk) 00:49, 8 January 2025 (UTC)