User talk:John from Idegon

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Regarding Orlando Edits

Forgive me for the "ranting edits". I don't know how to use Wikipedia, and even figuring out how to respond to you is a headache in and of itself. The original Orlando article stated that Orlando was the 26th most populous metropolitan area. That statistic was linked to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_metropolitan_areas. If you click that link, you discover that Orlando is not in fact the 26th most populous metro area, it is actually the 20th most populous. I change the Orlando article so that it accurately reflected the source it was already citing. There's no new source for me to cite, it's the same exact source. All you have to do is click the source to double check to see if I'm accurate. MrX is citing a source that ranks cities according to Core Base Statistical Errors, which is NOT the same as Metropolitan. Also, that's not even the reference that the Orlando article was even citing to.

Bottom line is there was an error, and I, acting as a layperson, decided to correct it. Sorry if I'm coming across as a jerk, but really, I don't know anything about Wikipedia's protocol, terminology, fields, coding, etc etc. Wikipedia is obviously not very user-friendly to new users (I didn't even know I could leave this message for you until a few moments ago - hell, I didn't even know that YOU left a message for me until minutes before that). I've learned a valuable lesson though: don't take anything on Wikipedia for face value and don't even bother correcting anything if you're not one of the elite users. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.196.167.196 (talk) 01:10, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Red links

Okay, np. Other users should then not do that to my red links too. I'll see what happens. Thanks. Daniellagreen (talk) 03:02, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Tsk. Not "your redlinks", the redlinks in the article. Remember when you worked on the newspaper, and the editor or the copyeditor bluepenciled something you wrote? Every other editor here is in a way the copyeditor. It will only cause you problems to personalize your contributions. You grasped what it took to make your article on a company notable quickly. There are at least 50 separate specialized notability standards, half of them for biographical articles alone. After two years of doing this, I am just now to the point where I feel confident finding them all, much less knowing for certain what they all say. It would be hard for a new editor like yourself to be able to just decide whether a redlink was appropriate or not. Always assume good faith! And to throw a couple more pieces of wikiphilosophy at ya...remember please that Wikipedia is a work in progress and there is no deadline! Gtwfan52 (talk) 03:17, 2 November 2013 (UTC)

Lol, right, not "my redlinks", the redlinks that I added. I say this in regard to a talk currently going on in another article in which the same editor deleted my contributions to both articles, and is now arguing against them in one article. The issue was blown out of proportion. I can see what you stated earlier regarding editors. To me, some people just like conflict and to escalate a situation that is unnecessary to do. It has gotten beyond the point where I have been repeatedly offended, and I'm walking away. It just makes me appreciate your guidance, expertise, and professionalism even more upon encountering folks such as those. Thanks, Daniellagreen (talk) 02:59, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

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Nomination of Pershing Middle School (Houston) for deletion

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Pershing Middle School (Houston) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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You are receiving this notice because you attempted to turn this article into a redirect back in June 2013. That attempt was later reverted. The purpose of the deletion discussion is to determine if the article should again be turned into a redirect. Outcomes of deletion discussions generally carry significant weight, which should prevent a unilateral revert should the consensus be "redirect." davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 01:53, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Thank you. I was going to do that myself here soon. Thanks for beating me to it. It is good to know my thinking was not alone on this. Gtwfan52 (talk) 02:50, 3 November 2013 (UTC)

Hi! For Lanier Middle School (Houston) I added a new source. I added new sources for Pershing too. WhisperToMe (talk) 02:57, 4 November 2013 (UTC)

Name Change

Congrats on your user name change! It's good to know you, John. :-) Daniellagreen (talk) 17:05, 5 November 2013 (UTC)

Waterford Union High School

Recently I have begun to edit this article. Could you check it out and tell me what you think. I'm not crazy about the long list of clubs but not sure of what to do. Thanks, John. ```Buster Seven Talk 15:57, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

I am not crazy about that long list either, but I threw some formatting on it so it didn't look so ugly! If you want to do some more on it, here are some thoughts:

1. add a reference section and reference something to the school's website so it at least has a ref on it.
2. fill in the infobox a little more. add the following fields and put data in them: streetaddress, country, zipcode. wikilink the city, the state and country. change the field name for mascot to nickname. (funny mind picture--wolverines running up and down the sidelines going yay, team!), add colorbox templates to the colors line ({{colorbox|whatever color}}).
3. check and see if there is a logo you can copy from the school's website. If so upload it to wikipedia (not commons) as a fair use and add it to the infobox. You will need to add a field for it (logo) and then put in the file like this: [[File:whatever name including the file extension|200px]].
4. add a list of sports offered in the athletics section. you can usually find that info on the school's website.
5. if they have any state championships, those can go in the athletic section, referenced to the Wisconsin athletics sanctioning org's website.
6. the bad thing is none of the above will raise it up from a stub. However, a history section, which is fine to be referenced to the school's site if they have the info, will raise it to a start.
7. use the "What links here" tool on the left side of the page to look for biographies that link to the school. Those are very possibly people who can go in the notables section.

Now the fun starts. You will have to watch it to remove the frequent insertion of girlfriends names, obscenities, etc. Welcome to the wonderful world of school articles! John from Idegon (talk) 18:25, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Ive been looking for some "real" work to do and this type of school editing may be it. Thanks for the help. Since the beginning (2008) I have been learning by watching what other editors do. As such, I have two questions:

1. it looks like you tried to make columns for the clubs but it didn't work.
2. where are you finding the notable alumni?

Buster Seven Talk 20:45, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

The columns look like they worked to me. On the left side of every page, there is a tool bar. look for the tab, "what links here". Any bio that comes up on that list is a good candidate. John from Idegon (talk) 22:08, 6 November 2013 (UTC)

Another school article

My daughter is a Montessori teacher in Toledo, Ohio. Due to the help and guidance you provided above, I have started to create an article for her school @ User:Buster7/Sandbox- Westside Montessori, Toledo. I have emailed some administrators of the school for history, info, etc. I mention this in the hopes that you can look over my shoulder every now and then and keep me headed in the right direction. No rush...it's most likely a long-range project. Thanks. ```Buster Seven Talk 18:31, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

The nice thing about high schools is they are more or less automatically notable. Unfortunately, schools below high school level are not. All you must do is prove they exist, and the school's website is enough for that. Public schools are generally listed in the GNIS. There is a trick to citing the GNIS, so be sure to read the FAQ's on their website. That will provide you with coordinate info and further proof of existence. The government is notoriously sucky at providing accurate info for geolocation (I don't know how the hell they keep the planes from running into each other), so always double check them with Acme mapper. You can also enter a street address into acme and get geocordinates. Acme is much easier to use for getting coordinates than Google maps. I don't need to tell you that info gleened from an email is WP:OR, but for the history section it is not a big deal unless the copy makes some claim of accomplishment or fame. Demographic and other statistical info needs to be cited to something WP:RS. I urge you to go visit the school project at WP:WPSCHOOLS and to read the school article guidelines at WP:SCH/AG. The whole school infobox is at Template:infobox school. It is huge, but of course it only shows the fields you fill out. It contains fields that only apply to foreign schools, colleges and other crap you don't need. John from Idegon (talk) 19:45, 7 November 2013 (UTC)

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Would you like to share wha==Question at the Teahouse== By co-incidence, I asked a question @ the TH [1]just after yours. But as you state in your thread, mine also went to the end of the line. Will they be seen by anyone? ``Buster Seven Talk 07:40, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Well, I saw yours....and you saw mine! The anser to your question is go to preferences/gadgets and enable twinkle. With twinkle, when you look at the diffs on an aticle, you will get a button above every one that say s restore this version. That should do it. John from Idegon (talk) 07:44, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Thanks. I tried that but it refused because there was some "blacklist" something or other in the previous "clean from COI" version. That would have been the easiest way but the whole article needs get a major overhaul. I'm not going to worry about trying to just cancel out the edits by the singers representative. BTW, I can't get twinkle to work w/ Internet Exployer....so I switch over to Google Chrome whenever I want to use Twinkle. ```Buster Seven Talk 08:33, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

Yea, twinkle is based in Javascript and IE sucks with JS. It works fine with either Chrome or Firefox. Typical Microsoft BS. John from Idegon (talk) 16:06, 11 November 2013 (UTC)

A beer for you!

Thanks for straightening out the edits at Carmel High School. I should have followed up on that when I removed the one bad edit using Stiki. It just slipped my mind. Thanks for cleaning up after me. Best! — Keithbob • Talk • 03:32, 13 November 2013 (UTC)

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Copyright Violation

Hiya John from Idegon, If the issue is who has been most helpful to User:Kathrynklos, well we can simply ask her. I feel that I am qualified to contribute as I am not currently blocked or banned; furthermore I have the ability to see see the wood for the trees. Under the Creative Commons Deed You are free: to Share—to copy. But I am open to an examination of where a specific violation has occurred in this instance. Tommy Pinball (talk) 11:44, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

See WP:PAGEMOVE and WP:CUTPASTE. I never said anything about a violation. What I said was if you don't know the right answer, you should keep your damn mouth shut, or better yet, admit it and ask someone who does. There is no sin in ignorance---but there certainly is in disseminating wrong info. Next time I won't be nice and leave your name out of it when I get an admin to help with the issue. Teahouse is very important to me. Disseminating false info gives it a bad name. I could care if you don't give someone the best answer, but it really pisses me off when you give someone an absolutely wrong answer and than rather than saying something like "good catch, thanks for having my back." you want to argue about it.John from Idegon (talk) 14:49, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Your words Since everything here is under CC-BY-SA 3.0 License and GFDL, that makes a page moved by cut and paste a copyright violation. You say there is no sin in ignorance, I want to be clear that you are not disseminating wrong info. Tommy Pinball (talk) 15:45, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

Removing own Teahouse question

What is the reason for [2]? If a question has no answers yet then it seems reasonable that the poster can remove it if they no longer want help. Now I spent time investigating the question before discovering the poster didn't want it. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:59, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

I see you posted at User talk:Olliechick#In regard your recent posting at Teahouse but I don't see a point in keeping a random question when the problem has already been fixed to the poster's satisfaction. I wasted time trying to guess why the poster might not be seeing the timed text before realising that they do see it now, and there is nothing wrong with the page linked in the question. This is the first time at Wikipedia I have ever seen an objection to removing your own post when there are no replies. WP:REDACT only talks against removing it when there are replies. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:12, 15 November 2013 (UTC)

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Re: when I removed my comment from the Teahouse

No worries. I don't feel we got off on the wrong foot at all. I'll add repling to my question to my to-do list. :) Olliechick (talk) 03:40, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Re: when I removed my comment from the Teahouse

No worries. I don't feel we got off on the wrong foot at all. I'd already added my answer to the question. :) Olliechick (talk) 03:51, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Just wanted to clarify the thing a bit for you. I really am dedicated to the teahouse as I would have quit Wikipedia after about a week if not for them. I have been a host there almost since the beginning, and the first question I asked is in the 2nd or 3rd archive. I think it is one of the friendliest, safest places here on Wikipedia, which as I am sure you have noticed, is filled with impersonal templated messages and warnings and myriad indecipherable rules. I will be glad to help you in any way I can. Thanks for writing back! John from Idegon (talk) 04:00, 17 November 2013 (UTC)

Thoughts on individual state championships

Hi there! I noticed you removed the individual state champions listing for Parkway West High School. I had included this information because although not "team" championships, they are state championships in accordance with the state activities association. Some activities (e.g. wrestling, debate, track) frequently or solely award individual-type championships. Your edit summary said that individual achievements were not encyclopedic in the context of a high school article; can you clarify and expanding upon your reasoning for this?

Thanks, poroubalous (talk) 23:33, 17 November 2013 (UTC)