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can't publish my friend's long journey to success

i've written about my friend's story how he grew and challenges that faced him to become to he is right now but when i published first it gort deleted and they told me cuz of short of data and he's not known but second i published it with his social and bussines platforms it wasn't deleted but it's not considiret as article but userpage Da drago stoone (talk) 19:41, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi @Da drago stoone. What you are describing is promotion, and strictly prohibited on Wikipedia. If your friend get's documented and written about in multiple secondary sources like magazine articles, books, TV shows, newspapers - then someone will eventually write an article about him. But Wikipedia is not to be used to write biographies of random people who do not meet our special definition of 'notable'. Qcne (talk) 19:44, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Weird that you have your friend's name, Drago. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:48, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

i didn't get ur point Da drago stoone (talk) 19:58, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

The point is that if you (posting here) and 'your friend' really do have the same name, then most people might conclude that 'your friend' is really you, and you are trying to smuggle autobiography into Wikipedia which, though not outright forbidden, is both heavily frowned upon and extremely difficult to do while remaining in compliance with Wikipedia's requirements.

If on the other hand you are not 'your friend', then by using your friend's name as your User Account name you are effectively impersonating them – impersonating a real person with your User name is not allowed on Wikipedia. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.5.208 (talk) 03:15, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Separate from content, your User page is wrong place to create a draft. The first entry on your Talk page directs you to WP:YFA for the right place. David notMD (talk) 08:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Moving from IP editing to registered user, and sockpuppet policy

Hello all. I could not find a straight answer to this question so I will ask here: Would it violate Wikipedia's sockpuppet policy if I made a named account after editing from this IP? I find that my edits are often treated as "second-class" because I choose to edit through an IP instead of a registered account. I am however worried that because I am involved in a content dispute that my making a registered account would trigger accusations of sockpuppetry. Thanks in advance for any responses. 47.219.237.179 (talk) 21:19, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

It would NOT be sockpuppetry. Many of us started by using an IP and later moved to a named account. I guess using both an IP and a named account simultaneously would be, but I presume you'd give up using the IP. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:22, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

No, you would not be considered a sock. It is possibel that an editor will accuse you of being a sock due to a high knowledge of Wikipedia for a new account. If so, you can always explain you were formerly an IP and, if you wish, link to your IP. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 21:23, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Speaking as a checkuser and former SPI clerk, it is generally acceptable for an unregistered editor to create an account and continue participating in the same topics, as long as you are not doing so in order to deceive editors into thinking you're two different people or trying to create the impression of false consensus, and especially not if you are evading a sanction. In your case it would be wise to publicly declare that you formerly edited as the IP but have created an account. If you didn't, the connection would be rather obvious anyway, so you might as well get ahead of it. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 21:30, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

I see, thank you (and to others who responded as well). I am wary of named users and prefer the semi-anonymity that unregistered editing affords. But if I did make an account, a talk page notice of former IP editing would be sufficient to avoid running afoul of sockpuppet rules? 47.219.237.179 (talk) 21:58, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, IP user. You would not be the first to choose to continue editing from an IP: there are some well-established users who do so. But in a sense, an account is more anonymous, in that anybody can look up who assigned an IP and where in the world it is. And account names do not have to be your real name: many accounts (perhaps most) are obvious pseudonyms. But it's your choice. ColinFine (talk) 22:06, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

I understand how IP editing and anonymity work on this site. I don't care if people see my IP address and geolocate me. I am more an advocate of anonymous editing and anonymous forum-style discussion. In my view, tying edits to fixed usernames is an invitation to involve ego in decision-making, and leads to to certain users claiming "ownership" over articles if they have a long history of editing it. If I made a registered account, it would be solely to take advantage of the technical benefits afforded to registered users, and so my edits are not dismissed out-of-hand as IP edits, as they sometimes are. 47.219.237.179 (talk) 22:16, 14 November 2023 (UTC)

FWIW, I have been editing on Wikipedia for more than 20 years, and have never created an account, in part because I think edits should be evaluated purely on their own merits, not in the light of whether their editor has a 'reputation.' (I have other personal reasons, of no relevance to anyone else.) I do use a 'pseudo-signature', purely to maintain continuity in conversations should my IP, once upon a time static but for many years dynamic (blame my ISP) change in mid-dialogue.

In those 20+ years I have hardly ever fallen foul of 'anti-IP prejudice', and on the rare occasions when I have, other editors have pushed back against it. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.2.5.208 (talk) 03:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm not going to claim gross prejudice, but in a recent content dispute, users frequently cited the term "IP edits" in a seemingly pejorative manner, implying that the edits by myself and others under IPs are somehow less valid by that fact alone, or that edits are suspect purely by virtue of being from an unregistered user. Then said users got the article protected.

And how do you deal with autoconfirmed protection? Do you just accept that you're unable to participate in the many thousands of protected articles, many of which are of high importance? Yes I understand that you can request edits, but that seems like an extremely tedious route, and is dependent upon the whims of other editors. 47.219.237.179 (talk) 04:00, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

I guess it is true that if I wanted to push wikipedia explicitly in a pro-Nazi direction then I would think edit requests were a real bummer. 100.36.106.199 (talk) 02:39, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't know why you're insinuating I'm doing that, or making personal attacks. But you should probably stop. 47.219.237.179 (talk) 06:26, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

dark mode

is there a dark mode for viewing and editing wikipedia? i have my normal screen settings on dark mode, only wikipedia is bright white. Iljhgtn (talk) 00:52, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@iljhgtn: special:preferences -> gadgets -> dark mode toggle ltbdl (talk) 01:47, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@Iljhgtn Preferences > Appearance > Skin > Vector (2022) = Permanent Dark Mode Danstarr69 (talk) 03:15, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@Danstarr69: Vector 2022 is not displayed in dark mode by default, Itbdl has provided the correct method. Additional dark themes are available at WP:DARK. Tollens (talk) 07:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Has Table of Contents moved?

I remember seeing the Table of Contents within the article (not as a side bar). Now I only see it when I click on the 3 horizontal bars with 3 dots. Is there a way to see the ToC within the article? Also, when I click the ToC icon, the 1st line is Contents. Sometimes next to it is a link that says "move to sidebar". At least that link was there a few minutes ago. Now it's not there. How an I make it come back? Sunandshade (talk) 06:54, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi Sunandshade – you might be thinking of the old default skin on Wikipedia, Vector 2010, which was replaced as the default skin back in January by Vector 2022. If you want to go back to it, you can do so in your preferences. Tollens (talk) 07:00, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

That was it! Thanks. I like 2010 much better. Now I can see the ToC in the article. It also removes the annoying ToC icon that would always cover some of the text I was trying to read. Always had to scroll a couple of line to see it. I appreciate your help. Sunandshade (talk) 07:10, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Also, if I ever decide to use skin 2022, how do I get the ToC to be in the sidebar? I saw the link to do this in some articles, but now it's not there. Sunandshade (talk) 07:24, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

When you click on the to display the ToC, at the top of the dropdown menu is "Move to sidebar", which will do what you want it to do. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:39, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

The top of the dropdown has "Contents". Next to that used to be the link to "move to sidebar" but that link no longer appears. How do I get the link back? Sunandshade (talk) 07:49, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

If "move to sidebar" doesn't appear, that is generally because the screen's layout isn't wide enough to show you the toolbar in the pinned state. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 10:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

That really helps. Turns out if the window is more than 1/2" from the edge, it's not wide enough. But with the wider window, now I can see it. Thanks. Sunandshade (talk) 18:14, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Possible canvassing over a move discussion at Saio

I believe a userr has been canvassing over the move discussion at Talk:Saiō. I do not know how to deal with it or whether they are exactly doing it, but it is really stressing me out and I want someone else to deal with it so I can take a wikibreak. What should I do? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 07:12, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Nothing. Ka-ru, per their user talk, retired two days ago (You said at Talk:Saiō#Requested move 13 November 2023: I believe we are experiencing canvassing by Ka-ru, with a lot of messages being posted almost everywhere advocating against this move). Makes the whole thing moot.

I'd also like to note for the record that one should usually link diffs, as I see no such messages in Ka-ru's contribs when I filter out edits to the mainspace. But not here: the Teahouse not the place to resolve disputes or report behavioral problems. Rotideypoc41352 (talk · contribs) 14:39, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@Rotideypoc41352 where should I report this? Immanuelle ❤️💚💙 (talk to the cutest Wikipedian) 18:22, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

First, it is ideal to know "whether they are exactly doing it" before declaring that there is a problem. Second, Wikipedia:Canvassing is fairly clear on Wikipedia:Canvassing#How to respond to canvassing. All roads lead back to ANI, where a) you already have a monster thread b) where you reported someone else for some non-notable supposed infraction a few days, before backing off from that. WP does not need additional manufactured drama. Please give it a rest and maybe go on that wikibreak you've been talking about. We'll hold the fort whilst you're away, promise. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:41, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@Immanuelle: I had a look at Talk:Saiō, and I can't anything that is even remotely indicative of canvassing. I suggest you take heed of Tagishsimon's advice. Polyamorph (talk) 19:30, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Guidance on Company page edits (Seeking Input from Experienced Editors)

Hello wiki community, I am trying to create a company page and it was declined. I would like to understand the feedback in detail. Which of the citations are reliable and which are not reliable. I tried adding 11 citations which found to be reliable. What are the main issues you see in the content? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Mercans_(company). Is there anyone who would like to contribute to the page? How do I invite editors to review the content and contribute? I appreciate your help in advance. Vbhavanisankar (talk) 09:10, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Vbhavanisankar. Unreferenced promotional fluff like These platforms empower businesses with technology-driven HR and payroll solutions, enhancing efficiency and productivity is a violation of the core content policy, the Neutral point of view. When I read a sentence like that, I learn nothing about what sets this company apart from others, because all such companies use vapid language like that to describe themselves. Every trace of promotional corporate-speak must be removed from your draft. Cullen328 (talk) 09:31, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Cullen328. I will edit the draft. Feel free to provide additional feedback. Is it ok to include company website link while explaining what is unique about the company. or will it be flagged as it is not a 3rd party independent citation. Vbhavanisankar (talk) 09:50, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@Vbhavanisankar: Welcome to the Teahouse. While an external link to the company is usually provided in an §External links section, it cannot be cited to establish wikinotability. Focus on finding independent, reliable sources instead. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 14:40, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you @Tenryuu Vbhavanisankar (talk) 02:44, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello wiki community, can anyone suggest additional citations that can be included in the page? Draft:Mercans (company) Is there a better way to look for citations other than Google? I appreciate your help in advance. Vbhavanisankar (talk) 05:13, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

How to improve Wiki submission from content I've made so far?

Hello! I'm very new to adding unto wikipedia and I'm trying to create information about the company I work at. Is anybody available to help improve and optimise my short synopsis for Wikipedia?

My name is SustainableJragon, the draft Wiki article is - Draft:Sustainable Ventures. SustainableJragon (talk) 10:15, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

SustainableJragon Hello and welcome. First, you must formally declare your relationship with the company, please see the paid editing policy- this is a Terms of Use requirement and mandatory. You should also read conflict of interest.

You have too many references. That may sound odd, but fewer high quality references are preferable to a large number of low quality references. I think you essentially need to start over from scratch. A Wikipedia article is not a place to summarize the routine activities of the company- an article must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage choose to say about your company, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable company. Announcements of its activities, interviews, and brief mentions do not establish notability. What are your three(only three, please) best sources that offer significant coverage of your company? 331dot (talk) 10:19, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@SustainableJragon: I concur with 331dot's assessment. In addition, I suggest reading WP:BACKWARD to understand the best way to create a new article. - UtherSRG (talk) 14:46, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Please avoid crass sentences such as "Based in London’s iconic County Hall – it overlooks the Houses of Parliament and the River Thames – ". This is an encyclopedia, not Sexy Startup Monthly. All of iconic, HoP and Thames are unnecessary, and make the article read like a cheap & desperate advert. --Tagishsimon (talk) 14:53, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

As far as I can tell from in among the buzzwords and promotional bullshit, the subject is a company that rents out office space. The mention of "valuation uplift of 2.8x at the next round of funding" suggests a WeWork-type scam. I recommend having the article rewritten from scratch, by someone who does not have a PR background. Maproom (talk) 16:02, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

one of the articles is deleted

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bankbazaar 171.76.83.103 (talk) 13:25, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

The article was declined, not deleted. Please resolve the issues the declining reviewer raised. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 13:38, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

See WP:NCORP and WP:CORPDEPTH. You need more than press reports on the funding of the company. Are they notable in WP terms? Probably not; they're a routine small financial company, of which there are tens of thousands around the world, few of them very notable. --Tagishsimon (talk) 14:01, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

What to do if I find a "rotten" link?

In this page: Defensive programming In this paragraph:

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Oracle is combating legacy problems, such as old source code written without addressing concerns of SQL injection and privilege escalation, resulting in many security vulnerabilities which have taken time to fix and also generated incomplete fixes. This has given rise to heavy criticism from security experts such as David Litchfield, Alexander Kornbrust, Cesar Cerrudo. An additional criticism is that default installations (largely a legacy from old versions) are not aligned with their own security recommendations, such as Oracle Database Security Checklist, which is hard to amend as many applications require the less secure legacy settings to function correctly."

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The "Oracle Database Security Checklist" link is a 404 not found page. I checked for the page using the Wayback Machine on the Internet Archive, but it apparently wasn't archived because all attempts were unsuccessful at crawl time.

What should be done in this case, and in other similar cases? Should the link be removed, or should it be discussed in the talk page first to find an archived copy?

Avocadoy72 (talk) 14:59, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

There should not be an inline external link in the body of the article. Such links can be removed, fullstop. You can consider whether the link should be converted into a reference, or into an external link listed at the foot of the article, but IMO you are under no obligation to do so. Especially, you are under no obligatoin to chase down a new URI for a 404. Where a link in the external links section is broken, you can choose whether to remove it, or to try to replace it. --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:02, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

I've removed the link. --Tagishsimon (talk) 15:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Move the Edit Pencil

Most people are right-handed, and it is easy to unintentionally tap the Edit pencil. 162.210.22.155 (talk) 16:13, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

This sounds like a mobile device issue. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:51, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

If you could tell us how you use Wikipedia (e.g. browser on a PC, browser on a mobile device, mobile app), we can suggest the best place for you to share your concern (and any suggestions you have to alleviate your concern). Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 19:27, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@GoingBatty It appears that they are on mobile web, going from the tags from the edit this question was made. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 19:45, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

In Monobook skin, any Icon for watched/unwatched?

Hi, Previously I was on Timeless skin & recently switched back to Monobook. For Watched pages in Monobook there was a little "Star" icon - clear for Unwatched & hilight (darker) for Watched. Before writing here I've looked & looked within Monobook & cannot find anything except to click on Page on menu to show "Watched" or "Unwatched". So the question, any Icon in Monobook for Watched/Unwatched? JoeNMLC (talk) 19:04, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Do you have meta:MoreMenu installed here or globally? It might be messing with things. Edward-Woodrow (talk) 21:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@JoeNMLC: Hi. Are you asking for mobile, or desktop view? On desktop, I get all options on top (including "move", and "swap") of page. That includes "watch", and "unwatch". The screenshot I provided is very old though. But I still use the monobook, and get same options. There are high chances that I might have customised it, but I can't recall now. —usernamekiran (talk) 21:19, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@usernamekiran - Yes, it must be custom as I did search MediaWiki:Monobook.css, User:JoeNMLC/monobook.css, and Archive searches, but unable to find anything about "Watchlist". JoeNMLC (talk) 23:58, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@JoeNMLC: no, it's not the custom watchlist. I meant the settings for all the options being visible without clicking anything. I will look into it tomorrow when I'm on computer. —usernamekiran (talk) 00:05, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@JoeNMLC: Hi. I logged into my alternate account which has everything to default, and changed the skin to mono. I could see the "watch" option at the top of the page. Like Edward suggested above, you should look for the "MoreMenu" in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets. It should be unchecked. I am thinking yours is checked, and hence you are getting a "Page" menu. —usernamekiran (talk) 03:22, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

 Done - Thankyou @Edward-Woodrow and @usernamekiran, at Gadgets, I ticked-Off MoreMenu, and ticked-On Add a "Purge" option, so now Monobook-better. Cheers, JoeNMLC (talk) 15:12, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Question

Where can I see examples, including format specifics, on how to add notability references to a person's Wikipedia article draft ? Lumelsky (talk) 19:09, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

You can see examples on most biography pages. Help is available at Help:Referencing for beginners, Help:Referencing for beginners without using templates or Help:Referencing for beginners with citation templates. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:18, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Lumelsky, and welcome to the Teahouse.

If you are talking about Draft:Vladimir J. Lumelsky, I would advise that it is not worth doing this. To use a house-building analogy, Shurm13 has put up a house without any foundations and without surveying the site, and you are asking how to carry out underpinning so that it won't fall down. This is a difficult and costly process, which will probably require dismantling quite a lot of the house and rebuilding it again - if it works at all.

A much better idea would be to abandon the draft which has been written BACKWARDS, and start again.. Start by finding sources that meet the criteria in golden rule - that is, they need to be reliably published, wholly unconnected with Lumelsky (not written, informed, or published, by him, his colleagues, his institutions, his company, or his associates - so not one of the current references is acceptable) and contain significant coverage of him. If several such sources can be found, then an article can be written, based on what those sources say, not on anything else.

The additional question is, what is your connection with Vladimir Lumelsky? Are you him? If so, please be aware that autobiography is strongly discouraged. I appreciate that what you are doing is trying to rescue a draft that appears to have been made by somebody else, rather than writing about yourself directly; and on a draft, that is probably acceptable. But please familiarize yourself with advice on editing with a conflict of interest. ColinFine (talk) 23:19, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

About my article

Hi, first of all thank you for taking time to read my article.

I wish to know what is the best procedure to write an article and get it published?

Thanks,

Dan Navajones (talk) 19:26, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Dan: make sure you cite enough reliable sources (WP:RS) to meet general notability guidelines (WP:GNG). Draft is Draft:Daniel Gwilym Jones. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:29, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Ideal, too, to have references for all of the paragraphs, not just the first paragraph. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:31, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

And see also WP:YFA --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:32, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks Navajones (talk) 19:33, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Help with article

I need help with an article: Draft:Susan_Ericksen. It has been rejected multiple times, mostly due to not enough reliable sources and language that sounded overly promotional. Both of these I agreed with and have attempted to resolve. The last editor suggested that I add a COI statement because I interviewed this person on a podcast. Not sure if I did the COI correctly though. I wanted to get some feedback before I attempt to put it into the approval queue again. AJRyan6of7 (talk) 21:18, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@AJRyan6of7: The subject passes WP:GNG, the article is neutral and well sourced. I have promoted it as Susan Ericksen. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:27, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much! If it's not too much to ask, could you also look at Draft:David_Colacci? The two are married, and much of the info is the same. AJRyan6of7 (talk) 21:29, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

AJRyan6of7 I would gently note that there is a difference between "rejection" and "declined" in the draft submission process; the former means that a draft may not be resubmitted, the latter means it may be resubmitted. 331dot (talk) 21:31, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, poor choice of words. Thanks for the correction. AJRyan6of7 (talk) 21:36, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

@AJRyan6of7: Promoted on the same basis. Check the categories; I stole some from his wife, but there maybe more required. Do you want to put a Connected Contributor notice on the talk page of this one? That on Susan's was good. --Tagishsimon (talk) 21:35, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I have no problem putting a Connected Contributor notice there. Thank You! AJRyan6of7 (talk) 21:37, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Resolved

Help with Sourcing Marriage and Children

Hello editors, I am working to update the article on behalf of Jay Sures as part of my work with Executive Writing. I am trying to update the article to note that he is married to Linda Nyvltova and that he has three children. However, the only third-party source I have is The New York Post, which is not considered a reliable source for Wikipedia. Is there any other way I could verify his marriage and children that would allow for his article to include this information?

EWChristine (talk) 21:47, 15 November 2023 (UTC)EWChristine (talk) 21:47, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi @EWChristine. Firstly, thanks for the declaration about your paid editing on your user page but you must follow the proper declaration template at WP:PAID. Failure to do this is a breach of Wikimedia Terms and Conditions. You must also declare your conflict of interest with the article(s) you are editing, follow the instructions at WP:COI. We really discourage conflict of interest editing and scrutinise paid editing to a much higher standard.

That said, thank you for asking your question and clearly being willing to learn our policies and guidelines. The New York Post can be used to source basic biographic facts, such as family life. We would generally prefer a better published source, but if there are none you could use the NYP or simply not include that information in the article. Qcne (talk) 21:51, 15 November 2023 (UTC)

Citation question

Longtime editor here with a basic citation question. I recently came across a news clipping that I wasn't sure how to properly cite with the {{cite news}}. Newspaper #1 published an article from Newspaper #2. Using the template, I assumed I would put #1 in the |work= parameter and #2 under |publisher=. However, the template documentation says that publisher is not meant to be used for "the name of a work (e.g. a website, book, encyclopedia, newspaper, magazine, journal, etc.)". Plus you cannot italicize the publisher field. Ideas on how I should work around this? Thanks in advance! --GoneIn60 (talk) 00:02, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi GoneIn60. I think you could just cite the original publication and then use the |via= parameter to indicate the host publication's name. You might also be able to use the |agency= paramenter for the original publication's name and then format the citation for the host publication. What you're describing seems to be somehat similar to Template:Cite news#Examples #5. -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:40, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Marchjuly: Yeah, that example is the closest to my situation, but unfortunately the agency isn't an entity like Reuters or Associated Press. It's another newspaper. I went ahead and used it for that purpose anyway, but unfortunately Newspaper #2 isn't italicized. Oh well, is what it is I suppose. --GoneIn60 (talk) 04:28, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

I've had this same problem and just ignored Newspaper #2. You could use |agency= if you're especially concerned about the original attribution, but the resulting template format looks kinda weird, like "Vancouver Sun. Los Angeles Times." (in my case). You can also always add a lil note after the citation template but before the closing ref tag, like "Originally published date in Newspaper #2." Folly Mox (talk) 01:36, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Insulting WI editor

What should one do about an unbelievably insulting WI editor who blocked (reverted) a number of entries put up in Wikipedia that contributes to the scholarship on various significant writers. The story: I am professor, and I managed to get some of the leading scholars in the world (over thirty of them, many of them endowed professors) to provide original, brand new critical commentary on 35 Romantic-era poets (like Coleridge, Keats, Wordsworth). These were then fashioned into a terrific scholarly website hosted by my university ("Then & Now: Romantic-Era Poets in the Encyclopedia Britannica"). The WI editor ("Billinghurst") reverted all these, saying that it was "vanity" site, saying that these were "boutique" entries, and then said it was "paid editing" (which of course it isn't), and then said I had a "conflict of interest" because I was the editor of the site. He/she then suggested I must be a very bad professor. This is all a little nuts, imo. What is the best route to take? Gkblank (talk) 00:03, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

You do have a conflict of interest as Wikipedia defines it. The best route to take is the one suggested by the guidelines for editing with a conflict of interest - do not attempt to add the links yourself. Instead, mention them on the talk pages associated with the relevant articles for consideration by unaffiliated editors. MrOllie (talk) 00:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

 Note: This appears to stem from these two threads on Gkblank's talk page and Billinghurst's talk page. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 00:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Useful as it is to link to the discussions, the situation stems from Gkblank's COI editing. I concur with MrOllie's advice, which is that Gkblank should not be adding links. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:17, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Please explain why links cannot be made to fully legitimate and relevant academic/scholarly articles and essays or to academic sites/scholarly sites? This happens all over on Wikipedia. Thanks for your help. Gkblank (talk) 02:32, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

They can. But they should be made by uninvolved editors. You are by your own admission the professor who commissioned the site. You have a conflict of interest. You have been pointed to WP:COI which advises you not to edit where you have a COI. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:38, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

And in more detail: there may be tens, or hundreds, or thousands of candidate academic/scholarly articles, essays & sites which could be linked to from a WP article. An uninvolved editor who has the best interests of the wikipedia article at heart is thought likely to make decisions of benefit to the article. An involved editor is as likely to have the interests of their own "Then & Now: Romantic-Era Poets in the Encyclopedia Britannica" website at heart, rather than the WP article; or they'll somehow decide that what is good for one is good for the other. Their judgement is not trusted. It may be that "Then & Now" is a fantastic resource offering insights that really should be linked to. If so, it's to be hoped an uninvolved editor will make such links. It may be that "Then & Now" is not such a hot property. You cannot be unaware, Gkblank, that WP is a popular site, and that having links to your website on several tens of poet articles is in effect an advert for your site; something that will drive traffic to your site. Please do not pretend that you are unaware of the conflict of interest that arises because of this. Your repeated failure to acknowledge this in the Billinghurst conversation and here is, frankly, insulting and disingenuous. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Gkblank: you've been adding links to a work of which you're the editor. You have a conflict of interest, and should not do that. If the work is as good as you believe (and I've no reason to doubt it), other, impartial, editors will some day add those links. Maproom (talk) 08:49, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks. This is actually useful, Tagishsimon. I guess one cares to address the outright rudeness and attempt at uncalled-for condescension made by "Billinghurst." Not to mention the somewhat illiterate nature of the commentary..... Gkblank (talk) 23:32, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

I want to make a made-up anime in my sandbox.

So, I want to help new users at the wiki to help how diffrent pages work. I want to make a fictional anime to help some new users to help how those pages work. But I need some sources. Should I use real ones or make them up, but I want to make a made-up anime sandbox to help a new user for an anime page. Is it ok? DorkLore (talk) 00:25, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

I doubt that you know enought about wikipedia to help. For instance, the image you uploaded is almost certainly a copyright violation. That is not a good way to start. I make the suggestion that you should spend some months getting more familiar with wikipedia, before trying to help anyone. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:30, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Sadly, it is not okay. You should not make such a thing. Such content is not appropriate anywhere on Wikipedia. New users will have to receive help in some other way. —Alalch E. 00:49, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

That is not correct, Alalch E. There is no bar to users using userspace to develop help or training material; see Wikipedia:User pages. --Tagishsimon (talk) 00:55, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

A fictional anime using fictitious references or real references used to support the fictional topic is not appropriate content because it resembles a hoax too much. —Alalch E. 01:04, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

No. That's just your opinion. It might or might not be a concept which someone could put together to deliver something useful. You do not get to say " Such content is not appropriate anywhere on Wikipedia" on the basis of nothing more than your feelings. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:06, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Agree to disagree. —Alalch E. 01:07, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Yeah, no. Unless you can cite a policy or guideline, you're busted, Alalch E. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:14, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

"Resembles a hoax too much". You know what policy that attaches to. New users should not be introduced to such content. They should not be taught using fictitious references and they should not be taught using real references that support something fictitious (also known as fake references). They should be taught using real references that support something real. How else would they even understand what the purpose of sourcing is? How do fictitious references and fake references teach verifiability? —Alalch E. 01:21, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

It's commonplace to use fictitious examples in training materials. Here's Help:Referencing for beginners#cite ref-1, a fictitious reference on Help:Referencing for beginners. Please just stop, Alalch E. --Tagishsimon (talk) 01:30, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't agree that your counterexample is valid, and I've already said agree to disagree. I do not want to prolong this. Ultimately, this is a good example to our new users coming to this page how disagreements are possible in a variety of environments, and how they're not a big deal. —Alalch E. 01:35, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

I take an intermediate position on this disagreement. Hypothetically, some fictional anime content could be usefully incorporated into training materials, but given the nature of anime fandom, I have my doubts that a fictional anime theme is the best choice for training materials. Especially since there are countless examples of interesting factual content and real references to reliable sources that can be incorporated into any such training materials. Even more relevant is that DorkLore has only 29 edits as I write this, and their account is less than two weeks old. Although I appreciate and encourage this new editor, it is hard for me to believe that this editor has the experience necessary to develop useful training materials to "help new users" in any genuine way. Would anyone reasonably expect a new violin student who got their first violin less than two weeks ago to be able to develop training materials for other new violinists? Or a new tennis player or a new chess player? Or a new student of calculus? It strains credulity. Cullen328 (talk) 02:58, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

WHY DO I HAVE SO MANY NOTIFS HELP- DorkLore (talk) 02:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

DorkLore, please do not type in all capital letters because that is perceived as shouting. You are getting multiple notifications because you began a conversation that has received a lot of responses. Cullen328 (talk) 03:04, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@DorkLore: Welcome to the Teahouse. If you don't want to receive notifications for a particular topic, you can click on the Unsubscribe in the top-right corner of that discussion. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:06, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

• I strongly agree with Cullen. What if a new editor teaches new editors "lots of mentions in RS means notability"? Also, we already have Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Adventure. @DorkLore a person receives notifications for multiple reasons, the most common are: when someone pings/mentions them, when their edit is reverted/undone, when someone edits their talkpage. Its totally okay to get/receive notifications. We mark them as read. —usernamekiran (talk) 20:34, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Article request

Am I allowed to request an article be written about me and give pertinent information? Everknott (talk) 02:15, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

It's not a good idea. There is Wikipedia:Requested articles, but that is for subjects that are notable; you may or may not be notable. Beyond that, there is no tradition of WP entertaining requests by people for articles about themselves, and no venue on wikipedia in which to do so. --Tagishsimon (talk) 02:42, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Everknott. Please carefully read the Notability guideline for people and explain why you think that you are eligible for a Wikipedia biography. Please also read WP:AUTOBIOGRAPHY for an understanding of the challenges you face. In my experience, the overwhelming majority of people who attempt to create a Wikipedia biography of themselves end up failing, and it is a frustrating experience for all concerned. Cullen328 (talk) 03:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

I was wanting to put a request in on the Producers page I just wasn’t sure if I’m allowed to request one about myself I suspect I meet the notability guidelines Wikipedia:Requested articles/music#/editor/21 Everknott (talk) 03:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

I don't think there's anything to stop you from doing that. --Tagishsimon (talk) 03:28, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Everknott, have you read the two links that I gave you? You are allowed to request whatever you want. There are certainly notable producers in the entertainment industry, but I think that is is safe to say that a majority of producers are not notable. Just as there are notable neurosurgeons, but the majority of neurosurgeons are not notable. The strict requirement is that the person is the subject of significant coverage in several reliable sources that are entirely independent of the person. This is a stringent requirement that is strictly enforced. Cullen328 (talk) 03:32, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes I’ve been featured in rolling stone magazine, worked with Stella McCartney Paul McCartney has listened to my music. I’ve got one of them fancy blue check marks on tiktok if that means anything. I’ve been featured on a Live TV news show, been in the LA times etc. Everknott (talk) 03:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Everknott: Welcome to the Teahouse. Please be aware that when Wikipedia uses the term notability, it has a drastically different meaning that standard usage. Feel free to think of it as wikinotability, if you will. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 04:09, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Everknott, where is the link to the featured coverage in Rolling Stone? Where is the link to the article in the Los Angeles Times? As for the claim that Paul McCartney listened to your music, that would only matter if reliable sources gave significant coverage to McCartney's opinions of your music. We operate on solid evidence here, not on assertions by people trying to promote themselves. Cullen328 (talk) 05:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Cynically, and also snarky, after you are dead, someone reading your obituary may be moved to compose a Wikipedia article about you. Be patient. David notMD (talk) 09:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

For the interested, Noa Kalos. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:42, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Subject bar formatting help

See the last 2 edits I made to Christianty. I tried to put all the links to other wikiprojects in a subject bar, but it's leaving source text below it for some reason, and Wiktionary won't show up in the subject bar for some reason. I copied the template from Elizabeth II § External links and filled it in, but it didn't work properly, and I can't see what I've done wrong.

Please help fix. Thanks. — Toast for Teddy (talk) 05:17, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

 Fixed – looks like the closing }} was misplaced (in the middle, rather than the end). Tollens (talk) 05:21, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you, kind stranger. — Toast for Teddy (talk) 05:27, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

if someone changes my edits/reverts them

Will I/how to get notified if someone changes or undoes my edits, please. I want to see so I can see if I'm doing things right and what people think about my edits. Fourthandfremont (talk) 06:28, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Fourthandfremont. If you add the articles that you edit or want to follow for any good reason to your watchlist then you will get notifications of any changes to those articles. Cullen328 (talk) 06:35, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Fourthandfremont, and welcome to the Teahouse! I believe that by default you will be notified of complete reversions of your edits (though you can check in your notification preferences), but I don't think there's a way to be notified of changes to your edits. You might be interested in the watchlist, a private list of articles that you'd like to monitor changes to. You can add articles to your watchlist by clicking the star icon near the edit button at the top of the page, and you can view your personal watchlist via Special:Watchlist or the link near your username at the top of every page. Tollens (talk) 06:35, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

how get details of "thanks"

Some people have been kind enough to give me a "thanks". On my homepage, I can see the # of thanks so I click on it. Then I see a list of thanks, 1 per line. But how do I see the context? I'd like to see what I did that created the thanks. Sunandshade (talk) 07:34, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Sunandshade: Rather than using your homepage, you can check your notifications with the icon at the top of the page as thanks will show up there. Clicking on a particular thanks item will bring you to the diff for which you've been thanked for. As an example, I've thanked your post. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:41, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

That's just what I wanted. I appreciate it. Also, is there a way for other people to see "thanks" to my edits? I looked at the "view history" for one of my edits that has a thanks, but I couldn't see anything with regards to thanks. Sunandshade (talk) 07:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Sunandshade: Your thank log [1] is public. Others cannot se which edits were thanked. See more at Help:Notifications/Thanks. PrimeHunter (talk) 10:24, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

I read the help page & learned a lot. I now know how to use the Log page, which I got from the link you showed. Also found I can get to the log page by searching for, special:log . But is there a way to get to my log page by clicking something on my homepage? Seems that would be easier. Sunandshade (talk) 16:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

That's what you did when you clicked on the linked number of thanks on your homepage. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:49, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh, right. Sometimes I keep clicking deeper & deeper, then I forget how I got there. There are soooooo many features in Wikipedia, that sometimes it's hard to keep them straight. Sunandshade (talk) 16:58, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Sunandshade: The top of user contributions like Special:Contributions/Sunandshade has a "logs" link to Special:Log/Sunandshade which is actually what is considered your log page but it shows log entries made by yourself, not those made by others about you. For those, enter "User:" and your username in the "Target" field instead of the "Performer" field. The thanks log is omitted by default but can be selected. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:08, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

That helped. I appreciate it. Sunandshade (talk) 19:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

The notification icon was useful, as I could see my thanks, tho they are hard to find. I did a Chrome search on the page for "thanked". Is there a better way to find them? Sunandshade (talk) 16:52, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Not as far as I can tell. You're better off looking at the log for it even if it doesn't tell you which diff you were being thanked for. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Erroneous page deletion warning?

Nick Bilogorskiy was given a deletion warning "this page ... appears to have no references". Guess what, it has 25 references, including the New York Times, CNN, Voice of America, and others. Am I missing something? The refs are no good? The user who added this warning is going around giving similar warnings. If this is indeed a mistake and the warning can be removed, perhaps, you can also suggest how to enhance the page (to amortize the effort of looking at the page). Thx Qq8 (talk) 08:59, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

User:UnTixic made 35 edits on 16 Nov, including three PROD deletion proposals, all of which have been reverted. One of the others was also for no references when it fact it had many references. PROD deletions can be reverted, leaving the proposing editor the recourse of starting an AfD if truely believing the article should be deleted. David notMD (talk) 10:10, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Page publishing

Please help me to publish this page Draft:Agudath Israel in Moldova Yura kr (talk) 10:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Yura kr Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I am afraid that this draft is not ready for draft review (which I assume is what you mean). Specifically, this draft needs to cite reliable sources. Please see WP:Citing sources for more information. Ideally, everything you wrote must be backed by some WP:Reliable source, and no WP:Original research is allowed.

Please kindly consider improving your draft before you submit it for review. Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 10:32, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Yura kr, and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia.

I'm afraid that (like most new editors who create an account and immediately plunge into the most challenging task there is on Wikipedia - creating a new article) you have written your draft BACKWARDS.

First find the independent sources, and then summarise what they say. Your knowledge of the subject is valuable in finding and selecting the sources: it is of no value or relevance in writing the article (indeed, it cam sometimes get in the way, because if you know something about the subject which you cannot find in the sources, you must not put that into the article!)

More generally, I always advise new editors to spend a few weeks or months learning how Wikipedia works by making improvements to some of our six million existing articles, starting with small tasks like copy-editing, and moving up to the most crucial part, which is finding and adding references. See the community portal for some suggested tasks; then when you feel you understand enough to try it, read your first article. ColinFine (talk) 11:00, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

important question

Hi,

I got the message someone denied my article for creation.

That's all right and i will make the nesscary changes to the draft.

i just wanted to ask that the changes made to existing articles come to the editors or the people like you who review the drafts?

2. if a writer is banned, will his articles stay in the main area? JAISHRIRAMOMOM (talk) 11:36, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Hi @JAISHRIRAMOMOM, Welcome to the teahouse,

Answering your first question, there are admins, new page reviewers and Articles for Creation reviewers who review draft articles. Existing articles sometimes have some edits marked as pending changes to suppress nuisance which needs to be reviewed by reviewers.

For your second question, Yes, if an article has no serious issues it will stay in the mainspace even if the user who created it is banned. An article is not dependent on a single user. Leoneix _(talk) 12:13, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Just to qualify the last, helpful comment by Leoneix: An article might be deleted if it was created by blocked editor who has returned whilst that block is still in effect and is therefore editing as a WP:SOCKPUPPET. However, if that article has had a lot of edits by other users, then it's probable that the article would not be deleted. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:45, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@JAISHRIRAMOMOM: my bad for not reading the draft carefully when I declined it; I have now done so, and realised that it is an entirely negative in content, and effectively unreferenced. Please do not create pages which only seek to attack individuals. Thank you. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 13:39, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Under unexpected consequences, J's draft Speedy deleted and J indefinitely blocked. David notMD (talk) 02:14, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

can someone check my first Wiki page to and help publish it?

I uploaded my first wiki page to sandbox, can someone publish it for me from the sandbox? Thanks! Footballfan145 (talk) 16:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Footballfan145: Fairly sure your image is outside Wikipedia:Non-free content guidelines; too large, shows too much else &c; see especially the policy section in the non-free content page. It is also missing a Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline template - {{Non-free use rationale 2}}. I'd be inclined to mark the image page with a {{Db-g7}} to get it deleted. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:20, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Tagishsimon the subject is still living, so WP:NFC#UUI point 1 applies. A non-free image would almost certainly fail WP:NFCC#FUC1. Since I couldn't locate any free license at the claimed image source, I have therefore tagged the image for speedy deletion under F9. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 16:35, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Is there anything else I need to change? Footballfan145 (talk) 16:37, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Can you find an image that could be added to the article? I want to add some image value to the page. Thank you so much! Footballfan145 (talk) 16:44, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Footballfan145: I've made some edits and moved it to the draft name space. When you think it is ready to be published, hit the "submit for review" button. - UtherSRG (talk) 16:21, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Erik Hansen (football) fwiw. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:27, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Are there any pictures of Erik Hansen St. Louis Battlehawks professional football player that I would be allowed to use? Feel free to edit the page as you see fit to ensure it gets published, thank you so much for helping me out! Footballfan145 (talk) 16:27, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Footballfan145: Perhaps change all instances of "Erik ..." to "Hansen ...". The article should not refer to the subject by their given name. Then press the "submit for review" button. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:38, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you so much, should I delete the image or keep it? I want to keep an image because it adds value to the page. Footballfan145 (talk) 16:39, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Footballfan145: The image is on its way to being deleted. You'll need to find a free image somewhere, if one exists. Press the blue "finished drafting submit for review" button at the top of the page - that puts the draft into the review pipeline. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:51, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Ok thanks, I summited the draft for review. What constitutes as a free image? Could you find one and add it to the draft? I see a lot of pages on professional athletes that have a grid their their image and personal information, I would like to have that added if possible. Thanks for your help. Footballfan145 (talk) 16:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

How does my page look? I made some more changes, feel free to change anything. Thanks! Footballfan145 (talk) 18:22, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

No need to ask here any further. Now that you have submitted it, any reviewer can find it and either accept it or decline it. If they decline it, they will comment on why and what needs improvement. - UtherSRG (talk) 18:45, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Finding a word

I can't find the meaning of a word. 69.75.147.42 (talk) 17:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, Ip user. The teahouse is generally used as a forum to help new users with editing Wikipedia not for general knowledge queries. If you tell me the word, I can try to help, but, in the future, such questions should be asked at the reference desk. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 17:50, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

well , search it up in a dictionary , what word do you mean ? 😂 MrBeastRapper (talk) 17:51, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

maybe try looking it up on google? i generally just search "define" followed by the word im looking for so see if maybe that helps? mushi^{( ? )} 19:57, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Advice/ Assistance Request

Greetings,the same editor from topic Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents#User:ToosieJoosie which I mentioned here for assistance just a few days ago has just moved another page specifically authored by me without issuing a warning or initiating a talk first Talk:Afro house once again, inclusive of 'threatening' to move the other Afro Tech once again,as well , I initiated the talk when I saw a speedy deletion move banner above the page Afro house only visible as I was editing in 'source mode' , then tracked it to the user's edit history https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Styles_of_house_music&action=history , that's how I became aware. The page move was further conducted even though we were still discussing/ debating @Talk:Afro house and hadn't reached an agreement/ resolution yet. The same user has also been actively contibuting on a page titled in the same manner Hard NRG since what appears to be 3 years ago https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Hard_NRG&action=history without raising any of these types of concerns/ actions for that article. Hard NRG is a subgenre from the UK, which is not as popular or trending now, both Afro Tech & Afro house originated in South Africa 'round about the same time and is predominantly spelled in this manner across various sources by the masses all whilst specifically trending and being popularized globally now in their specific genres/fields, which is even more alarming for what's currently taking place. My allocated mentor @ZI Jony has been marked away until 31st of December and the substitute @Fieryninja has recently been unresponsive.

Please assist and/or advise, further. ToosieJoosie (talk) 18:06, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Sure. As far as I can see this anguished issue, which has spawned its own ANI thread, is about whether the second word in Afro Tech and the second word in Afro House should or should not be capitalised. I'm pleased to say that WP still has the Wikipedia:Lamest edit wars page. This issue is a candidate for that. My clear advice is that it is not a battle worth fighting, and you should move on and find a better use of your time. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:41, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt response. I tried to 'move on' by doing other edits and creating other articles , it just so happens that unfortuantely both these sub-genre titles are predominantly spelled this way and what I took/ take an interest in & the same editor is what appears to WP:Following me/ my edits. Furthermore, it's highly unfair that a subgenre Hard NRG of the same category can be spelled in the same/ similiar manner without encounting these actions/issues.Which the specific editor contributes to. You're right it's entirely lame and should'nt be made such a big deal or be taking place . ToosieJoosie (talk) 19:10, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@ToosieJoosie: Please take the advice I gave: walk away from the issue. You are not doing this. You have convinced yourself that "unfortuantely both these sub-genre titles are predominantly spelled this way " and, moreover, have convinced yourself that a) you are right and b) that this is somehow important. It is not important. It does not matter. And you may not be right. The biggest lesson on wikipedia editing is that there are lots of other editors who do not hold opinions that you hold, and you just have to put up with them. Agitating here, on ANI, on article talk pages, on mentor talk pages ... this is not helpful. It is obsessive behaviour of the sort which makes wikipedia a worse place than it should be. Please give it up and walk away. You are not helping. --Tagishsimon (talk) 19:31, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your prompt response, once again. I did not convince myself , it's what's prevalent and evidential via sources and across various platforms. My intention was and is never, ever to agitate.The editor appears to be the agitator/initiator of everything that took and is taking place, i.e. before all of this I did not even bother with the "Teahouse" or "ANI" for example. I was and am fixated on a positively, impactful and enjoyable editable, experience. Whereas the editor clearly appears to be 'obsessing' on me / my edits.Thank you so much. ToosieJoosie (talk) 19:38, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@ToosieJoosie: You have made literally hundreds of edits about this stupid issue here, Wikipedia:Requests for page protection/Increase, User talk:Fieryninja, Talk:Afro house, Talk:Styles of house music, User talk:ToosieJoosie, Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, User talk:Daniel Case, Talk:Afro Tech. Please give it a rest. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:04, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your message, once again. It's unfortunate that , that's what needed to be done to highlight misconduct, unfairness as well as hundreds of other articles with the same title stylization or more pressuring issues which haven't encountered these kinds of constant WP:FOLLOWING from one specific editor and obviously "his mates" as you said it's not important and these articles would likely not even be receiving this kind of attention if it wasn't for him, as per newcomer tasks I have come across way worse articles which have been left in those states for literal years, amongst other attributes regarding this issue. Thank you for your constructive criticism and opinion. Take care. ToosieJoosie (talk) 20:11, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Well, the best advice I can now give - and which I have given on the ANI thread - is that you should be blocked for your obsessive posting which is degrading wikipedia for the rest of us. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:16, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

User:Fieryninja did engage with your question, but seems to be leaving the thread on their talkpage to the other editors it attracted. There's nothing wrong with this behaviour. Folly Mox (talk) 19:00, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. Please don't get me wrong I wasn't insinuating that neither mentors weren't helping etc., I meant because she's unresponsive, I didn't know what else to do hence why I please needed "extra assistance", guidance or advice. My account is literally less than 20 days old and this is the first time, I am editing as well as creating articles. ToosieJoosie (talk) 19:12, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

ToosieJoosie, don't despair! The other editor in the thread at your mentor's talkpage and the editors above have provided sound advice. Best not to sweat the smol stuff. If you ever need direct assistance you can always ask a question inside the {{helpme}} template on your own talkpage and someone will usually get back to you quickly. All the best, Folly Mox (talk) 21:41, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Proper formatting for listing company headquarters

Seeking guidance on company headquarters format. Should I include state/province with city and country? Some sources differ. 'City, Country' or 'City, State/Province, Country'? Links appreciated. Thanks! 166.48.65.98 (talk) 18:13, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello. This varies from country to country, according to what is common in that country. For example, "Newark, United States" is almost never used in the US. Instead, Newark, New Jersey would be preferred. On the other hand, world famous cities do not need additional designators. London and Tokyo and Paris and Cairo and Los Angeles can stand on their own. It is a matter of good editorial judgment. Cullen328 (talk) 19:17, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Thank you for your answer, but I still have some doubts. In the context of Pakistan, for example, should Karachi be referred to as 'Karachi, Pakistan' or 'Karachi, Sindh, Pakistan'? I've encountered various perplexing practices in Wikipedia articles, where some mention only the city and country, while others include the province. Some articles use a single link like Karachi, Sindh, whereas others link them separately. Should I include a link to Pakistan in these cases? Is there a general rule for this, or am I misunderstanding something?

I've been unable to find any guidelines on this specific concern as well... 166.48.65.98 (talk) 22:27, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

IP editor: The main guidance is at MOS:INTERNAL. Of course, given the huge number of articles, exceptions owing to different editor's interpretations (or ignorance of the guideline) will mean that consistency is nearly impossible in practice. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:24, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Twinkle

On mobile view, where does the Twinkle menu appear? I have enabled it, but can’t find the menu anywhere. Shadestar474 ^(talk) 18:58, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Shadestar474, it doesn't. Some of the features are available in mobile view (like the "rollback" and "vandalism" links in page histories, and "restore this revision" on old permalinks), but for most of the tasks Twinkle manages you'll have to toggle into "desktop view" on your browser, and then remove the m. from en.m.wikipedia in the URL to exit Minerva. Folly Mox (talk) 14:18, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Ok, thank you!

Shadestar474 ^(talk) 17:58, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@Shadestar474 You can try User:Plantaest/TwinkleMobile Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 20:49, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@Shadestar474: Hi. Based on your mobile's browser, you may get some or all functions of the Twinkle. You have to go to the bottom of any page, and select "Desktop view" − without changing any other browser settings/view mode. A note: loading the page/all menus may take time depending on your mobile. I generally advice against using desktop view on mobiles. —usernamekiran (talk) 20:51, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Are these articles notable?

Do you think these articles are notable?

• Cullen Gilchrist
• Elena Maroulleti

Kk.urban (talk) 19:07, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Kk.urban: I haven't looked at the other one yet but in regards to Gilchrist, I'm leaning towards no. I looked at all of the sources listed and they seem to be more about his business than himself. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 19:22, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

On a very quick look, Elena Maroulleti is probably notable, imo. Johnbod (talk) 16:50, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Extended Protection and editing

In order to obtain extended protection privileges , you will need to own an account that's 30 days or older with OVER 500 EDITS. Although my account is over 30 days old, I am nowhere near 500 edits. This is because it is so hard ! to find articles to edit. It takes me a long time to find what to edit, and if I do it is usually a minor edit. How do I start editing more, I have no clue! 😲😲😲 MrBeastRapper (talk) 19:28, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

I am learning so much ! from reading these articles, but I can't find any ways to edit them! MrBeastRapper (talk) 19:32, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

If you are interested, you can revert vandals or copy edit articles in Category:All articles needing copy edit. Sungodtemple (talk • contribs) 19:39, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@MrBeastRapper WP:TASKS may have something you find interesting. Or WP:REQ. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:57, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Note: the OP has been indefinitely blocked for sockpuppetry. CodeTalker (talk) 00:42, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

how to make a page

m 2601:CA:4300:A300:71C8:BCAD:7769:CCFF (talk) 20:01, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Check out Your First Article. Qcne (talk) 20:29, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

sigmature connal

i've been trying to make my entire signature green, but for whatever reason, everything i try (moving the style spans to the start and end over and over) either breaks around the first • or doesn't work at all

would anyone happen to know what i might be doing wrong? cogsan _{• (give me attention) • (see my deeds)} 20:33, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes. What you're doing wrong is changing the colour of your sig so that a) it is harder to read and b) uses the same colour as a redirect (based on the User:Anomie/linkclassifier colour scheme). It's not a helpful thing to do. --Tagishsimon (talk) 20:39, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

in that case, i'll have to change the color too (preferrablly to something more friendly on the eyes, like gonorrhea green on bloodshit brown)

but do you know how i could make the funny dots not be a different color from the rest of the signature?

i'm not actually gonna use that godawful scheme by the way, i'll probably just go with this somewhat more readable orange cogsan _{• (give me attention) • (see my deeds)} 22:23, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

My recommendation would be to install the Convenient Discussions tool. Then in talk pages you will just see people's actual usernames and not those vanity signatures that just impede communication in numerous ways. CodeTalker (talk) 00:47, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Cogsan, if you want a vanity signature, then make your own vanity signature. But asking others to help you create it seems to me like a waste of their/our time. (Actually I recommend a signature like Tagishsimon's.) -- Hoary (talk) 23:00, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

that wasn't really helpful either, but thanks anyway cogsan _{(give me attention) (see my deeds)} 00:28, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Well, Cogsan, that is better. Suggestion: Cut "give me" and "see my". Doing so would save bytes and space. -- Hoary (talk) 00:37, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

tomorrow, when (and if) i also figure out how to make this thing not need the exact same <span style"color:#133769">[text]</span> used thrice to make separate links look different

that's hogging a lot more than 15 characters cogsan _{(give me attention) (see my deeds)} 00:53, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

RE: Changing Information

I would like to make a change to something on Wikipedia. I received this information directly from a former record producer about a song in a personal email. When I posted the information he wrote me on Wikipedia it was changed back. How can I include this information without it being changed back again? I'm assuming I didn't cite the source, but how do you cite what someone wrote you in an email? It's not like you're quoting something from a book. Rob Weingartner1968 (talk) 21:43, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Rob Weingartner1968: Welcome to the Teahouse. The problem is that you received this information from a non-published, private correspondence. Wikipedia's verifiability policy does not consider that a reliable source. Unfortunately, this means that some information, no matter how true it is, may not be suitable for inclusion on here. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:47, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Rob Weingartner1968 In short, anything on WP needs a published WP:RS, and private correspondence doesn't count. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:50, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

Template:United States Armed Forces

I noticed that in the equitment part, the land section wasnt showing up and I dont know how to fix it. The land, sea and air are switched, and I tried changing the group and list but it removed both land and air. Can someone help fix it? `~HelpingWorld~` ^(👽🛸) 21:44, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

HelpingWorld, in the template as it was immediately before your recent set of edits, the set of "land" links does show. Therefore: (i) revert your own set of edits, (ii) make a copy of the template in your own userspace, (iii) edit and experiment with this, and, when it's working as it should, (iv) copy it over the actual template. -- Hoary (talk) 22:56, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

What namespace is the Main Page in?

Hullo friends. This isn't really a question about using or editing Wikipedia, but more of just a question I was curious about. The Main Page's header is just "Main Page" rather than "Special" or "Project page". The Main Page also doesn't have a title, unlike basically every other page (for example, the title of this page is "Cat".) I was wondering what namespace the Main Page was in due to these differences. That is all. Thanks in advance! Antrotherkus (Talk to me!) 21:48, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Antrotherkus: Against all logic the Main Page is actually in mainspace (articlespace). Edward-Woodrow (talk) 21:52, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Antrotherkus: Welcome to the Teahouse. It is in the Main namespace, like articles are. There's more information at Wikipedia:Mainspace. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 21:52, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Antrotherkus Afaict, per main page it's in article-space. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 21:53, 16 November 2023 (UTC)

@Antrotherkus: The title on Main Page is hidden by blanking MediaWiki:Mainpage-title and MediaWiki:Mainpage-title-loggedin. This method only works for the main page. Before that feature was added to MediaWiki, it was hidden with code in sitewide CSS files like MediaWiki:Vector.css.[2] Such code can also be used for other pages but we don't do it. As others say, the main page is in mainspace which is also called article space, but many of our article policies don't apply to it. For example, it doesn't use references. The content can only be edited by administrators who are supposed to be very careful about anything on the main page. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:40, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

K thanks :) Antrotherkus (Talk to me!) 17:06, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Closing a discussion (sSplit article)

Hi, I am here ask about how do I close a article talk page discussion after the content got split into a different article as per the discussion performed. I am unable to understand how do I close the split dicussion. Do I just need to shift the content in to the new article (probably creating a new article as requested) and rest be assured by leaving the discussion on the talk page that way. Can someone provide me with example articles where previously split was performed through a discussion. 456legend(talk) 02:26, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@456legend Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can find more instructions at WP:CLOSE. NW1223<Howl at me•My hunts> 03:21, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@NightWolf1223 thank you for the insight. 456legend(talk) 05:20, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Article writing

hello

I would like to know the ideal number of references to use on an article before submitting Princeisrael2728 (talk) 11:54, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

As a rule of thumb, always good to have a minimum of 3 references (WP:RS which solidly evidence the notability of the subject. --Tagishsimon (talk) 12:09, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@Princeisrael2728 And for many topics, especially biographies, they need to meet all of these criteria. See also this essay and note that three is likely to be a minimum, as there should ideally be no overlap in the content of individual references. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:14, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Article writing mentirship

hello

How do I get someone to mentor me on Wikipedia page article writing Princeisrael2728 (talk) 16:03, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@Princeisrael2728: Welcome to the Teahouse! I looked at your draft at User:Princeisrael2728/sandbox. There is lots of feedback on the template at the top of your page and on your user talk page. Declare your conflict of interest, provide independent reliable sources (e.g. music reviews, media coverage of the awards), and use neutral language (not "blessed", "develped passion", and "driven into the music for the love to reach out with the divine message of Jesus"). GoingBatty (talk) 17:07, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Creating a new article

Hello! I'm an extended-confirmed user, so I am allowed to create and publish articles myself. However, there is one article in particular I am looking to publish which I submitted for publication a few years back, but it was rejected because of lack of references. Now, I was hoping to recreate it, because several new references have cropped up. Can I simply write the article and publish it, or should I go through the review process because it was rejected in the past? Thanks, Mover of molehills^{move me} 16:04, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@Mover of molehills: You do not need to go through Articles for Creation if you do not wish to. The previous rejection has no bearing on the proposed article. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:17, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

The question to ask yourself before you move the draft into article space is, "Am I reasonably certain that this article would pass a deletion discussion. If so, then go ahead and move it. If not, I suggest putting it through review to get feedback. ColinFine (talk) 19:46, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Trying to submit an article about an Indian TV actor

I've submitted this article twice now & its been rejected both times. The first reviewer said the sources weren't reliable & so I removed the ones that seemed gossipy. The second reviewer told me I shouldn't even be creating an article on this actor because he doesn't have enough roles under his belt, well he has been playing the main lead in a show for 5yrs & I just thought I could create an article about him. Also trying to create this article because there is a rapper with the same name KRSNA (rapper) & his article was linked in one of Krishna Kaul the actors shows, just wanted to get rid of the confusion. Also not everything gets written about in what's considered to be reliable sources, I have reliable video & photographic sources of every single award I've mentioned in the draft.

Also just as an example Abrar Qazi this actor started in the industry around the same time & this article has been published. Since I'm a beginner & Kaul's is my first article I'd just like to know if there's any chance or should I give up? Please Help! MeJeannie (talk) 16:27, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@MeJeannie: In my view the subject passes WP:GNG and so I have promoted the article as Krishna Kaul (actor). --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:33, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Oh Thank you so much! Just another small help, how do I change the redirect on KRSNA (rapper) article?

How do I make it This article is about the rapper. For the actor, see Krishna Kaul (actor) MeJeannie (talk) 17:07, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@MeJeannie: Hopefully that's all sorted out; there's now a disambiguation page because there are three subjects of that name. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:51, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

created draft new entry

I have drafted a proposed article and have it in both PDF and Word. I have carefully followed the Wiki format, including footnotes, writings, references, bibliography, see also, etc.

Is there a way for me to upload, or copy, either the PDF or Word document so that Wikipedia can review it for possible editing and inclusion?

Thank you. Legendt9455 (talk) 16:41, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@Legendt9455: Not really. You'll have to start a draft and paste the text into it, and thus probably have to re-edit it to get the format to work based on wiki-markup. --Tagishsimon (talk) 16:43, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@Legendt9455: Welcome to the Teahouse! See Help:Your first article for lots of helpful information. GoingBatty (talk) 16:56, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

There's also Help:WordToWiki. No clue if this will help. --Tagishsimon (talk) 17:00, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@Legendt9455:, I often use Microsoft Word to draft new articles, carefully adding the wiki-markup (citations, wikilinks, etc.) manually. I then paste the whole thing into the Wikipedia source editor. This usually works OK, but it was quite a long time before I felt confident enough with the syntax to do that. And you need to check the finished article very carefully. But give it a try. Mike Marchmont (talk) 17:22, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello Legendt9455. I always write my drafts on offline document files (I use Mac TextEdit) and then copy and paste onto Wikipedia. The only problem is that sometimes my apostrophes and quotation marks change to "slanted versions" so I always click on "Show preview" and correct any formatting errors before clicking on "Publish changes." Best wishes on your Wikipedia efforts. Karenthewriter (talk) 20:40, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

external links: URLs that were broken due to editing errors

hello maintainers. I made a List of ~10000 brocken URLs User:ⵓ/Worklist brocken URLs with Quarry:query/78127 (feel free to fork it)

The SQL query filters not existing top level-domains, all URLs in this List are broken. The Domain in list is in reversed order (el_to_domain_index)

Most of the cases are easy to fix (i.e remove a white space-character). In some cases I needed a URL-decoder ( meyerweb.com/eric/tools/dencoder/). More difficult cases can only be solved with the help of the version history or with the help of web archives and Google search. (i.e. https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=2018%E2%80%9319_Ukrainian_First_League&diff=prev&oldid=1185545810 )

I fixed this kind of errors in german wikipedia so Quarry:query/77794 is clean. But I am not able to do this in english wikipedia. ⵓ (talk) 17:57, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, ⵓ, and welcome to the Teahouse. (I'm surprised that your user name is acceptable, to be honest).

What is it you are asking, exactly?

If you are inviting other people to do some of the work you have chosen to do - well, there might be somebody who is interested, but that is not really what this page is for. ColinFine (talk) 19:51, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Their username is the Tifinagh letter U, not a colon. – dudhhr ^talk_contribs^she_her 19:56, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Temporary Article Edit lock

My question is why isn't there an option to temporarily stop all edits to an article(1 hour max)? I feel this would be a very beneficial in the situations such as public figures tweeting out articles, as this would allow trusted editors to out right stop random people from trying to add nonsense, and personal social links. GriffinGeiling (talk) 18:32, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

There is such a facility, which can be imposed by admins. It is used sparingly, but it is used. (In fairness, not to stop all edits, merely edits by less experienced users.) See Wikipedia:Protection policy. --Tagishsimon (talk) 18:38, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, GriffinGeiling. Pre-emptive protection of an article based on an assumption that the article will probably be disrupted is not permitted. If disruption by new accounts or IP editors occurs, the first step is to semi-protect the article for a day or several days. Cullen328 (talk) 18:49, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

As mentioned above, pages are only protected once disruption occurs. (The one exception is the new practice of protecting the WP:featured article when it appears on the main page) Protections may be requested at WP:RfPP if vandalism/disruptive editing from multiple ips/logged-in users occurs at a high level. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 22:30, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

I followed

I followed instructions for the previous decline on I was told I needed to provide 2-3 sources which were reliable and independent of the subject to demonstrate notability. I have done so, what is the issue? this is about Draft:Matti Charlton

I followed previous instructions and provided the sources, I do not understand the issue here. 216.209.142.143 (talk) 21:23, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Which three sources are those? Most of your sources appear to be mere listings, and irrelevant. The McLennon, Bellini, and Coonen reviews might be useful, provided the publications are reliable sources, and the reviews talk about Charlton as well as their work (I haven't got access to them, so I don't know). The Phil Paine review would be OK if it had appeared in an edited journal, but as it is, it is a self-published source, and so, not regarded as reliable. And the last citation doesn't even mention Charlton. ColinFine (talk) 21:48, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

I think we need to emphasise that references must be about Charton, and must be significant coverage which means three or more paragraphs which are on topic, and in multiple sources which are both reliable, and are independent of Charlton. A shorthand isWP:42.

I have not checked the draft since my early review and have thanked the editor for following my advice. They have also asked me on my talk page. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:19, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm not actually sure what the notability claim for Charlton is? The lead sentence says "music producer and author", so I would expect this to be an article about someone who is notable for producing music and writing. But there is nothing in here about music, and very little about writing. Charlton’s poetry books frequently appear in lists of the top 100 gay and lesbian books of all time gives me hope that this person is notable as an author, but the only reference here is bookauthority.org. I find it hard to believe that someone would frequently appear in this kind of list with no accesssible, mainstream reviews of their work at all. Can you find those reviews? -- asilvering (talk) 22:39, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Just a question

Can we make an article of some more SpongeBob episodes Ertttt (talk) 22:01, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Nooooo Ertttt (talk) 22:04, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@Ertttt:I'd recommend reading WP:42 and WP:NEPISODE to estsblish whether the episodes are notable enough for an article. After that, follow the advice at WP:YFA. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 22:55, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

How do you make a page?

I don't know how Ertttt (talk) 22:04, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

@Ertttt Please click HELP:YFA and read it with care. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 22:19, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Ertttt, not as you made the new page Wikipedia:Bots/Requests for approval/Erttttt23. You need to put a considerable amount of thought into the creation of a new page before you decide whether you should go ahead and create it. -- Hoary (talk) 23:01, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Photograph of headteacher at Dumfries High School

Hi, I've just reverted the addition of a photograph of a teacher to the article Dumfries High School. The teacher is named in the article as having falsified exam results. It didn't seem to me that the image added anything to the article and I also thought it might be contrary to WP:BLPPRIVACY, though images are not mentioned in that policy. I'm wondering though about the image of the headteacher which was already in the article. Again, I'm not sure it adds anything for the reader; but thinking about privacy specifically, looking at WP:IMAGEPOL I see that privacy in policy terms is only an issue if the picture was taken in a public place. The image in this case was taken outside a school. Is a school a public or private place as far as this policy is concerned? I checked the essay at WP:WPSCH/AG, but it does not cover images of staff. Thanks. Tacyarg (talk) 22:07, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

School is a public place and considering she didn't just fake 1 exam but 50, that would in, my opinion, justify a photo of her taken outside the school being included in the article. GriffinGeiling (talk) 22:14, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I wasn't asking about my removal of the picture of the teacher (the image doesn't make it clear where that was taken), but what policy is about including pictures of headteachers. I'm interested in the general policy as well as relating to this particular article. Tacyarg (talk) 22:21, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Urgent Assistance Needed: Conflict of Interest Disclosure Process

Dear Wikipedia Teahouse,

I hope this message finds you well. I am reaching out to seek urgent assistance with a conflict of interest (COI) matter that I am currently facing on Wikipedia.

I have been following the guidance provided, but unfortunately, I am struggling to find the specific process for disclosure. The situation is further complicated as my edits are being revoked without a clear resolution. I believe a lack of disclosure is the root cause, and I am eager to rectify this as soon as possible.

Given the urgency of the matter and my commitment to aligning with Wikipedia's policies, I kindly request your guidance on the COI disclosure process. If there is a specific avenue or protocol that I may have overlooked, your expertise would be invaluable.

The timely resolution of this issue is crucial to ensuring that my contributions comply with Wikipedia's standards. I would appreciate any assistance or clarification you can provide in this regard.

Thank you for your prompt attention to this matter, and I look forward to your guidance.

Best regards,

Chitheenabler Chitheenabler (talk) 22:33, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Hello, @Chitheenabler and welcome to the Teahouse. You can dislose a COI on your user page on the talk page of the article, or in your edit summary. I see you've already disclosed it on your talk page, which is a good first step. Read WP:DISCLOSE for more info. Sincerely, Novo Tape (She/Her)^{My Talk Page} 22:37, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Chitheenabler, I'd guess that you are paid. If you are indeed paid, then read Wikipedia:Paid-contribution disclosure. Note if you're not specifically paid for work in Wikipedia but this is part of a job for which you are paid, you are "paid". Also, if you're writing as an unpaid intern, you're "paid". If I'm wrong and you're not paid, then jump straight to Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. -- Hoary (talk) 22:42, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Chitheenabler, you say on your talk page "I work for Anne Kabagambe and assist in managing her Wikipedia presence." You are paid. And this set of edits shows that you added, for example, "Raised in a household where public service was a way of life, she developed a profound sense of responsibility and a strong belief in the transformative power of education" -- and, unsurprisingly, cited no source for this. But Wikipedia is not a repository for such advertising. Here we have a vivid illustration of the reason why paid writers should not edit articles directly. -- Hoary (talk) 23:02, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

Accidental Vandalism (Possibly?)

So we got news that a drummer named Aaron D. Spears died recently, so I decided to check his Wikipedia page (I didn't realize it was an actor's page), and so I saw it didn't show that he died nor his correct birthdate, so I immediately changed it to the correct birthdate, but I was too lazy to write that he was dead, so I left it like that (I was really tired at the time), and then I realized before it was too late and reverted it back. Will I be punished for this? Arisential (talk) 23:03, 17 November 2023 (UTC)