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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:04, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Big Five (orchestras)

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Lacking proper citaions, speculative

I have nominated this article for deletions for the following reasons: It is lacking inline citations; Portions of the article, notably the Modern Use section, appear to be original research; The article has been tagged with requests for citation for several months with no action taken.THD3 (talk) 12:50, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with THD3. In addition to his reasons, this has really become an outdated concept. MUSIKVEREIN (talk) 13:36, 16 July 2010 (UTC).[reply]

Keep: An article which needs improvement is not a valid reason for deletion. The concept is notable and was well used. Even if outdated, it remains notable. (See, e.g., Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Black Ivy League).--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 19:17, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I can find multiple sources that confirm that five specific orchestras, Boston, Chicago, Cleveland, New York, and Philadelphia, are known as the "big five" orchestras. While the article needs better citations, it does provide some names of authors, publications, and years for other sources for which it seems likely that the full citations will be locatable. Even if these five orchestras can no longer be considered to be the five best or most important ones in the U.S., the term is still used in reference to those particular five, even if sometimes preceded by the words "so-called". --Metropolitan90 (talk) 23:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Keep. A long-established term that merits coverage even if it is now outdated. --Deskford (talk) 17:19, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I agree the term is outdated, but WP readers are likely to want to know what it means. I found this article to be helpful and informative, hardly deletion fodder. Opus33 (talk) 17:24, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as notable but now of mainly historical usage (I haven't heard this term used seriously for many years, but it appears so often in the literature that readers may want to know what it means, how it came about, and where it went -- the stuff of an encyclopedia article). Antandrus (talk) 19:12, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Deskford and Antandrus. Although I'd agree the concept is out-moded, the term is still in wide use. I've just been adding multiple inline citations to this article. It's still used in sources published in 2006 and 2008, primarily with respect to arts management and issues of gender and race in the US classical music professions, and was used by the Cleveland Plain Dealer just yesterday. Incidentally, the issues cited in the nomination are reasons to improve the article, not delete it. It is a misuse of the AfD process to "enforce" clean-up. The term is clearly notable. I've removed some of the OR phrasing and editorializing. It could use a bit more + expansion, but that's no reason to take the proverbial sledge-hammer to a nut. Voceditenore (talk) 10:53, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - as per above, articles needing work are not the same as articles needing to be deleted. And it's much improved now than it was when the discussion started. —La Pianista ^{♫ ♪} 16:53, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, notable concept, outdatedness is not a reason for deletion. Heimstern Läufer (talk) 17:47, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep per all above comments. Maashatra11 (talk) 08:32, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There's no important reason to remove article —Preceding unsigned comment added by Elm478 (talk • contribs) 12:59, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
keep - the article has now been sourced with inline citations- I didnt check all of them, but the ones I did check seemed legit. And even if the concept of the big five orchestras itself is no longer legitimate or popularly accepted, does not mean that the article about the concept should be deleted. (or we wouldnt have these articles: Jim Crow, Humorism, Reaganomics). Notability is not temporary. Active Banana (talk) 14:48, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:48, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ian Schultz

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Non-notable per WP:NSPORT and WP:ATHLETE: hasn't yet played a professional match. Prod contested by creator. Empty Buffer (talk) 12:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Non-notable junior player who has yet to play professionally so fails WP:ATH. Can be created when/if he plays professionally or otherwise achieves notability. -DJSasso (talk) 13:49, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete He'll pass the notability bar eventually, but today is not the day. Reso lute 14:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete: His junior eligibility's expired and quite possibly he'll play professional hockey at some level, but "quite possibly" doesn't satisfy WP:V, WP:BIO, WP:ATHLETE or WP:CRYSTAL. RGTraynor 03:41, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete He'll have an article someday I am sure but for now at least he's not notable. Raphie (talk) 13:46, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Only a third-rounder--if he was a first-rounder, he'd be an easy keep. Come back when you've signed a contract. Blueboy 96 16:36, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - He does not yet meet the criteria for inclusion as defined at Wikipedia:ATHLETE#Ice_hockey. This article may be re-created after he plays in his first NHL game. Dolovis (talk) 22:35, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. He hasn't won a significant amateur individual award nor has he played professionally. Once he does either, the article can be re-created. Patken4 (talk) 23:51, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails athlete. Though Im not entirely opposed to redirecting the article to his brothers page (Jeff Schultz) , since it would give(could) mentionOttawa4ever (talk) 18:36, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. no consensus whether it is notable enough after three weeks JForget 22:14, 6 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

John Elvesjo

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This person does not appear to be particularly notable; it appears to read like WP:RESUME rather than WP:N. This person has won some awards, but I'm not sure that the awards are notable enough to satisfy WP:GNG. I also have minor problems with the lack of inline citations and the non-English references. Overall, I simply think that this subject does not meet general notability guidelines. — Timneu22 · talk 12:13, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep. Borderline case. I wouldn't say that any of the awards are sufficiently notable to confer notability on their own, but taken together they could possibly be sufficient. Tomas e (talk) 20:31, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Due to concerns over notability and lack of reliable sources. Awards appear to be minor. Christopher Connor (talk) 00:17, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Second relist rationale. The article is a BLP. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:08, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. - Pack of awards showing. Carrite (talk) 00:58, 30 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:47, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wiesław Chorosiński

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Autobiography of professional musician, unsourced since 2009. I can't find evidence of notability per WP:BIO, but people who can read Polish may be able to. Sandstein 12:01, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom and also for the fact that the creator of the article seems to have conflict of interest, which is a flag. --Sulmues ^(talk) 16:05, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I can read Polish, but that doesn't really help because I can find no sources to read. Phil Bridger (talk) 15:44, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:47, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

SS Englander: The Amazing True Story of Hitler's British Nazis

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As a rusted-on Harry Turtledove fan, I'd really like to keep this article. However it would appear to fail the test for significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject and the test for being the subject of multiple, non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself with at least some of these works serving a general audience. As always, more that happy to be proved wrong. Shirt58 (talk) 10:47, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I see no coverage about this book in reliable sources. -- Whpq (talk) 16:32, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Faraz Anwar. Content may be merged at editorial discretion. Regards, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 21:03, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Mizraab

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This article related to a band is Not under WP:Notability#Band.There's no major source of the article. Max Viwe | Wanna chat with me? 10:43, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Faraz Anwar (their lead singer). The band doesn't seem to pass the notability criteria at WP:BAND, but Anwar himself seems to be notable, so the band could be covered in his article. Robofish (talk) 14:54, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as it fails WP:Music, the band is manetioned in Faraz Anwar article, Its not idependently notable and the Article in some parts not encyclopedic. Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 08:02, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Fails WP:BAND redirect to Faraz Anwar.Farhikht (talk) 16:39, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Aamras. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 21:01, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keri no ras

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This article should be deleted as it just duplicates topic of Mango juice.There's no link or citation suggesting that Mango juice can be considered as a cuisine.It's article is also probably wrong. Max Viwe | Wanna chat with me? 10:26, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Mango - the article's in bad shape, but this dish isn't really the same as Mango juice, it's pulped, sugared mango. There's one piece of significant coverage in reliable source: [1], but unless more turns up there's no indication that the dish meets WP:GNG. I'll clean it up now. Claritas § 17:52, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge - to Aamras. Seems to be a notable Gujarati dish, but we already have an article for pulped mango. Some coverage here.--Sodabottle (talk) 05:24, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Aamras - appears to be the same thing, and some sources exist (enough for a brief article, at least). Robofish (talk) 14:34, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Aamras - not enough content or sources for separate article, for now atleast. warrior 4321 16:58, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Raymond Franz. SilkTork *^YES! 20:08, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In Search of Christian Freedom

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No indication of notability. Notable information already covered at Raymond Franz. Jeffro77 (talk) 10:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Non-notable. Prsaucer1958 (talk) 11:26, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and redirect to Raymond Franz as article fails WP:NBOOKS. Armbrust ^Talk _Contribs 18:11, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect to Raymond Franz. Plausible search term need to delete the history. Eluchil404 (talk) 04:57, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:47, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

River Valley Coop

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Non notable high school football team. Shadowjams (talk) 10:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:N. -- Jelly Soup (talk) 10:16, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete - Does not seem to assert any particular claim to notability in the text of the article, and I do not see any relevant Google News items, so it appears to fail WP:GNG. Strikehold (talk) 03:07, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment (leaning toward delete). I do think that an American high school's athletics program is generally worthy of mention in the school's article, but would never (or almost never) need to have its own article; the organizational problem here is that the team plays for three different schools. This information is already included at the article Lincoln Trail Conference as well as mentioned in the articles for Midland High School (Illinois) and Henry-Senachwine High School. (The third school in the coop, Lowpoint-Washburn High School, does not appear to have a Wikipedia article.) A merge and redirect to Lincoln Trail Conference might be appropriate, but as long as the term can be found at that article by searching "River Valley Coop" I suppose the merge/redirect is unnecessary.--Arxiloxos (talk) 16:57, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete sorry gang, but not achieved level of notability needed for this particular encyclopedia. Try another wiki?--Paul McDonald (talk) 02:31, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Recovery_(Eminem_album)#Singles. SilkTork *^YES! 20:05, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

25 to Life (Eminem song)

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This is a charted song from a main album. It has no independent coverage and is poorly written. Per WP:NSONGS it is not notable for an independent article Lil-unique1 (talk) 00:02, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree-no reason for AFD . The song is is a billboard charting song and one of the most liked from an album which sold 1.1 million copies in its first two weeks. I don't see a reason for deletion.

No reason for this AfD. Just redirect it. I'm the creater so I would care most to vote to keep it. Red Flag on the Right Side 00:54, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

comment, Yes but often enough when i've done that there is always one editor who persists re-opening the article. This way there will be a consensus to keep the article redirected. If that's the case then pretty much everyone will vote to redirect. Lil-unique1 (talk) 01:15, 6 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and redirect to Recovery (Eminem album) per WP:NSONGS, no individual notability. Armbrust ^Talk _Contribs 10:29, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This AfD nomination was incomplete (missing step 3). It is listed now. Armbrust ^Talk _Contribs 09:52, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The only thing notable about this article is that it charted in Canada and the US. The rest of the article is irrelevant and unsourced. Due to the fact that at least 3 other songs from this album that weren't singles charted, we should delete this article and make a referenced table like so: (with the correct chart positions filled in and other charts if they made it there) Ground Z3R0 002 00:44, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Non-Single chart positions

Year	Song	Chart positions
Year	Song	U.S. Billboard Hot 100	Canadian Hot 100
2010	"25 To Life"	92	90
	"Cold Wind Blows"	91	43
	"Won't Back Down"	96	-
	"Space Bound"	45	67
	"No Love"	-	86
	"Cinderella Man"	76	78
	"Talkin' 2 Myself"	67	89

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 16:48, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

MailShare

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Lack of sources showing notability of this product. Removed quite time ago from pl.wiki for being non-notable and unsourced. Sir Lothar (talk) 08:37, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Third party coverage is absent. patsw (talk) 00:08, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Shouldn't a polish mail system belong to be covered on pl? No 3rd party coverage. Allmightyduck  What did I do wrong? 02:24, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I made little changes and added sources - hope it's ok now. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mafcin12 (talk • contribs)
Delete I am unable to find sufficient coverage of the software in reliable sources. Jujutacular ^T · C 14:29, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to A Wizard in Rhyme. There is a consensus to merge, though the target could be the author's page or to the series page. I am concerned that both those pages are unsourced. However, A Wizard in Rhyme seems an appropriate target, and the one I think most people want. That I am using that page as the target does not mean the page is notable, and does not prejudice anyone putting it up for discussion at AfD. SilkTork *^YES! 17:14, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Her Majesty's Wizard

See also: Add these pages to this deletion discussion as they are all from the same series:

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Elektrik Shoos (talk • contribs) 08:09, 16 July 2010

The above articles were listed here but not tagged for deletion. I have corrected this. JamesBWatson (talk) 10:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC) [reply]

I have moved and slightly adapted the above multi-afd comment made by Elektrik Shoos for overview sake Excirial^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 12:28, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No evidence of notability. No sources. Article was proposed for deletion with the reason given as "Fails notability criteria for books". PROD was removed with the edit summary "Removed notability". JamesBWatson (talk) 07:45, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the deletion of those additional articles. Exactly the same applies to those articles as stated above, including, in almost all cases, the removal of PRODs with edit summary "Removed notability". JamesBWatson (talk) 10:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This is the first modern fantasy book, and perhaps to date, the only modern fantasy book/series, to explore how the medieval Christians (in Europe) really saw the world, where the people saw God everywhere, and the Devil always lurking and looking for an opening.Snowybeagle (talk) 09:41, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Another distinction of the series is that the author made extensive use of real-world literature in the fiction in various references, bringing to mind how excellent writings can be fleshed out into "life" instead of being merely dead sentences. Snowybeagle (talk) 09:41, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

None of that relates to Wikipedia's notability guidelines. JamesBWatson (talk) 11:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The keyword here is guidelines - not rules. It means individuals have the discretion to decide how far and how much to apply.

I have consulted other fantasy novel articles such as Terry Brooks' novels - perhaps someone can clarify how those satisfy notability, and that would provide an objective measure to indicate how this series fall short of notability and hence identify which areas these articles can be improved to satisfy "notability". Snowybeagle (talk) 15:34, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:OTHERSTUFF - If other article's don't meet a certain guideline that doesn't mean that any article is exempt from meeting the guideline merely because the others don't. In those cases other article's should be improved or removed as well, and not the other way around. I would equally point out that guidelines are still part of the Wikipedia WP:POLICY, and that these guideline's are written on the basis of large community wide consensus. Generally taken they should be followed unless clear reasons to deviate exist, or because the policy doesn't cover a certain grey area.

As for the requirements of an article i would point to Wikipedia:Notability (books), the guideline that deals specifically with books. This guideline is the baseline comparison for any book related article, and a measure to determine how notable an article is. Besides being notable this notability must also be Verifiable - in other words, the claims made in an article must be sourced though the usage of reliable third party sources. I hope this helps, Excirial^{(Contact me,Contribs)} 16:10, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. elektrik SHOOS 07:47, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
keep all books by major author. I also own a copy of this book which means that it was published in multiple countries with many copies printed. It has also appeared as an audio book, and a variant in rhyme for children. It has spun off a game, and also has quite a few book reviews around. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:40, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any reliable sources giving substantial coverage to the books? JamesBWatson (talk) 11:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete all per nom. No independent sources to in indicate notability. The JPS ^{talk to me} 12:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into a single article on the series. Not Stasheff's most commerically successful work, but certainly a lot more notable than much of what passes for notability among books here (I know, almost an WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS argument). The series is discussed, for example, in Buker's The science fiction and fantasy readers' advisory: the librarian's guide to cyborgs, aliens, and sorcerers and one or more of the books were reviewed in various fantasy-friendly publications. --Orange Mike | Talk 21:29, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Smerge all to the author's article. -- Whpq (talk) 16:40, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into a single article for the series under A Wizard in Rhyme with redirects for the other book titles (maybe that is implied by merge, I dunno). The author is certainly notable and this series was well known in its day. I'll look around and see what I can find for sources. UsernameRedacted (talk) 23:19, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Actually, I got this mixed up with Stasheff's Warlock series which seems to have more sources than this series--Stasheff himself is certainly notable, so I think that any of his books are likely search terms, so I still think merge. UsernameRedacted (talk) 00:44, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  - Also, various books in the series were reviewed in Locus (magazine)[[2]] UsernameRedacted (talk) 00:54, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per above. Don't need an article on each book. RJFJR (talk) 18:39, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:47, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Chesne

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promo/spam for non-notable musician. Only links are Facebook, MySpace, youtube, etc. - Special-T (talk) 04:55, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:MUSICBIO. I can't find any reliable Ghits about him or any of his albums. And it doesn't help that the article reads like a press release. Erpert (let's talk about it) 07:28, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Erpert. None of the subject's discography has been significantly covered in RS.Armistice23 (talk) 14:02, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was speedy keep. NativeForeigner ^Talk/_Contribs 04:37, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Kikuyu controversy

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With all due respect, the importance of this topic just doesn't jump out at the reader. Melanesian obsession (talk) 03:45, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep. Notable article. Nom reported at ANI as possible sock. Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 04:06, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
'Keep - notable controversy and article. Nominator likely did not graduate from primary school.--Milowent (talk) 04:21, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was No Consensus to delete. There is no consensus below as to whether this person has notability independent of his clearly notable son or not. Eluchil404 (talk) 05:03, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

William McKinley, Sr.

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Noted only because of his relationship to a bona fide famous person, a la Britney Spears's mother. Melanesian obsession (talk) 02:50, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Though much coverage covers him in the context of his son, he is notable on his own for being a leading iron producer in Ohio in the 19th century. Many sources provide more detail, so the article could be expanded; does not need to be deleted.--Milowent (talk) 04:54, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I don't see the point of keeping this as his notability, independent of his son, is not show. If he's notable enough as an industrialist, we need some light shed on that. Delete, not opposed to re-creation or promt improvement. --Griseum (talk) 05:49, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Progenator of a World Leader, notable enough for me...but flag it as Stub-Needs improvement/expanding/additional sources. As far as the comparison to Spears' Mother: Actor vs World Leader: nb VulpineLady (talk) 06:59, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- VulpineLady, Wikipedia has specific guidelines stating that notability is NOT inherited (nor passed from children to parents, etc.) --Griseum (talk) 17:03, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral - This is a very interesting one. I don't think the Britney Spears comparison is correct. I'm on the fence because it's quite likely there's a lot discussed about him and he was notable in his own right, but I also think we have a past-awareness bias, where if someone's old we give them a pass. If this was a current industrialist of a mid-sized company would they warrant an article? On the other hand, articles this old don't have many of the same problems that contemporary articles on people of similar stature have. I'd be persuaded by additional discussion of the individual in sources. Shadowjams (talk) 08:48, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Speedy delete per A7. Article doesn't indicate notability. Armbrust ^Talk _Contribs 10:07, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Its not a speedy delete.--Milowent (talk) 11:14, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to William McKinley. Not inherently notable per WP:NOTINHERITED, and the article's brief enough that it can be incorporated into the one on his more famous son. It can always be recreated if stronger evidence of notability is found, but I'm not seeing it at the moment. Robofish (talk) 11:54, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Milowent Connormah^talk 22:04, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- some knucklehead IP switched the above vote to delete without explanation. Let's not get silly here.--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 00:33, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Not all parents of U. S. Presidents have their own articles, but if Millard Fillmore's father has one, surely McKinley is notable enough. I'm surprised that Woodrow Wilson's father doesn't have one. Tom Reedy (talk) 04:23, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The fathers of 3 Presidents: Calvin Coolidge, Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter served in their state legislatures-I started the article about Calvin Coolidge's father and worked on the article about Jimmy Carter's father. So notability is established with these men. On this article I agree with Milowent keep the article but add more sources. Thank you-RFD (talk) 16:02, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Fillmore's father - Thank you for pointing out that that is an article devoted to Nathaniel Fillmore. The Nathaniel Fillmore article should ALSO be deleted per WP:NOTINHERITED. Several days have passed, and it still hasn't been demonstrated that William McKinley, Sr. is independently notable. I wish people would stop making arguments like "He raised a world leader" which is not a relevant criterion as explained in WP:NOTINHERITED. --Griseum (talk) 01:34, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Strong keep - He raised a world leader. Even if, arguendo, the parents of a dead president on the $500 Bill is not per se notable, this guy certainly is so. First off, he was a wealthy enough businessman to pay for his son to go to Albany Law School, a major proposition in the 19th century, rather than merely "read" for the law. Thus, he had to have been a big businessman in his day. Secondly, he had a New York Times obituary, which is one of the best ways to prove notability of a deceased American. Thirdly, there are already plenty of other sources in the article to prove notability. Finally, Melanesian obsession has been making several pointy nominations for some reason, so this nom should also be discounted. Bearian (talk) 17:21, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Respectful request for a speedy close per clear and convincing proof of sockpuppetry and trolling by the nominator. Bearian (talk) 17:29, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Respectfully, those aren't the criteria for a speedy close and there is a delete !vote above. Shadowjams (talk) 19:03, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment-there is an article about Joseph R. Wilson, President Wilson's father-Thank you-RFD (talk) 23:35, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Article may need improving perhaps, but clearly he was notable enough in his time to have his own page now! TwoRiversWC (talk) 12:00, 20 July 2010 (UTC) (Note: User:TwoRiversWC has been banned as a sockpuppet.)[reply]
Delete His only significant accomplishment of his own was that he "operated a small pig-iron furnace in Niles, Ohio" [3]. Every reference cited is about his son the president, and only peripherally about him. In other words he is not the SUBJECT of significant coverage in reliable sources; he is a passing mention. Being the parent of a president does not automatically confer notability. --MelanieN (talk) 04:37, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You will note that one quoted source in the article says he "was one of the pioneer ironmasters of eastern Ohio". Getting mid-19th century newspaper references to Sr. that predate Jr's fame would require going to microfiche.--Milowent • ^talkblp-r 23:38, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:47, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

TWaver

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Non-notable software/GUI toolkit. Appears lack significant third party coverage per WP:GNG. VQuakr (talk) 02:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Without providing third party references the authors of this article have not met their WP:BURDEN. Miami33139 (talk) 02:41, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. This software claims that It provides a set of ready-to-use components and bussiness objects for building various telecommunication Business Support System (BSS), Operation Support System (OSS), Network Management System (NMS) and Element Management System (EMS) including network topology view, equipment view, maps, dashbord, node, link, group, rack, card and etc., whatever that means. Ah, three letter acronyms! At any rate, there's no indication that this software product has long term historical notability or historical, technical, or cultural significance. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 14:05, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Software article with no 3rd party references or indication of notability. Created by single-issue user, so possible spam/advert. Dialectric (talk) 21:14, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete No sources, no evidence anywhere of notability. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:17, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

At first as a new user of wikipedia I just want to introduce the excellent TWaver to everyone, The only reason is I think TWaver really deserve it. Secondly, I try my best to describe it objectively, you can see how many customer it already has http://www.servasoftware.com/twaver.php?p_id=18. The reason why it is not "notable" like what you says it is only because TWaver is only focus on GUI of Telecom industry, and it is only a plug-in unit of the software. No company will post the news that they use a plug-in to do software development, right? At last, TWaver is really a outstanding plugin-in for network development, you guys can search "network TWaver".

It's my first article in wikipedia. Thanks. Swinggeek (talk) 03:19, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Whatever the reason why it doesn't satisfy Wikipedia's notability criteria, if it doesn't do so then it doesn't warrant an article. However "outstanding" TWaver is, and however much it "really deserves" to be introduced to everyone, that has nothing to do with Wikipedia's inclusion criteria. Finally "I just want to introduce the excellent TWaver to everyone" means that you have written the article to promote TWaver, which is against Wikipedia policy. JamesBWatson (talk) 07:13, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please let me know! Does anybody here know alcatel-lucent??? As a TWaver customer I has nothing else to argue with any more. Pick some "third-party" you know.

http://www.servasoftware.com/twaver.php?p_id=18 Swinggeek (talk) 02:47, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Reliable for details on what reliable sourcing would entail. In suggesting the use of '3rd party' sources, I had meant sources from a neutral, reliable publication. That is, sources from an organization or individual that makes, distributes, or has some financial or other significant personal interest in the software would not be a neutral 3rd party. Dialectric (talk) 15:56, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was nominator withdrawal. The article has been tagged for speedy deletion under G12 criteria (copyright violation), and as a result, the nominator has chosen to withdraw their nomination for deletion. Non-admin closure. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 02:23, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Make Beer At Home

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While I feel bad nominating this since it's very detailed and the author put a lot of work into it, the fact remains that Wikipedia is not a how-to guide. Perhaps this can be transwikied somewhere more appropriate? –Grondemar 02:16, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:47, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Digest Hashing Algorithm

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Article on a cryptographic hash function contributed by User:Aaboelela, who is almost certainly the Amr Aboelela credited in that article as the creator of the algorithm. Contains no independent references, no indication of notability, and almost no material on the specific hash algorithm itself, apart from promotional language and material that applies to any generic hash algorithm. Also, the externally linked images appear on an e-commerce site that appears related to the creator of the hash algorithm and the article on it. — Gavia immer (talk) 02:15, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Gavia immer, yes it is true that the algorithm is developed by me. This algorithm is different from generic hashing algorithms, because as i explained in the page is that if you give other algorithms two similar items, you would get a totally different hash codes, as they are used for encryption or identification purposes. However, in the DHA if you give it two similar inputs (e.g. images), the algorithm would give you two similar hash codes, and that can help in indexing, sorting, and searching of the images. I believe this is the same way the brain work, it digests data as our stomach digest food.

I have master in Image Processing from UWO in Canada, hence this topic is related to my master research. Also i worked partially with a start up company called vufind to search for images and videos by content and not by text. This topic is hot right now in research. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Aaboelela (talk • contribs) 02:30, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nomination. Wikipedia is not for publishing original thought, and only time will tell whether your algorithm turns out to have historical or technical significance. That said, welcome to Wikipedia, and we'd be glad to have your contributions to subjects in your field or interests. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 14:15, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. No significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. --Lambiam 16:33, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:47, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Long Live The Queen

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There is no evidence that Lil' Kim is working on a new album under this title, according to a Google search. Andrewlp1991 (talk) 01:57, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I was able to find an image that contains this title. — C M B J 02:53, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Insufficient evidence. I'd like an article saying "Lil' Kim is recording a new album set to be released ____." Andrewlp1991 (talk) 06:46, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I was merely supplying the information that I was able to find. I wasn't arguing in favor of keeping the article; in fact, my opinion would be delete. — C M B J 20:30, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Hammertime until there are some reliable sources discussing it in some detail. Shadowjams (talk) 09:31, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - There's not nearly enough info available yet except the album cover (which itself might not even be real). Wikipedia will still be here when the album gets closer to reality and there is actually something to report. --DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 16:43, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. As per not a crystal ball and TenPoundHammer's Law.Mtiffany71 (talk) 18:19, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete can be classified as an Epic fail as it fails WP:CRYSTAL, WP:HAMMER. Red Flag on the Right Side 06:24, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Per the insufficient coverage, and premature creation of this article. Ga Be 19 05:21, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this crystal ball. Hammertime indeed. Cliff smith ^talk 17:51, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy close. Article already exists at Epic browser, which is in the middle of an AfD itself. Although I am not sure which article was created first, that article's AfD was created first. This article has also been redirected to that one. Non-admin closure. Erpert (let's talk about it) 07:37, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Epic (web browser)

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This product was released today. It has had zero chance to become notable. The article was almost assuredly written to be promotional and the authoring user has no edits except to write this article. The included references are paid reviews (PC World), their press release (CIOL Bureau), and one press outlet that re-wrote the press release but obviously did not review or analyze the product (TopNews). The author quotes themselves by quoting the press, but referencing it to a 3rd party. They also reference their own claim (1500 plugins) by putting a 3rd party download directory as a reference. These references are a mockery of our third party sourcing requirements. Miami33139 (talk) 01:26, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:47, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Falling August

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Fails WP:BAND. Regent of the Seatopians (talk) 01:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - No coverage in reliable sources. Note that the band's own site states "By 1994, the band was beginning to run out of steam. This may have been due, in part, to the fact that sister-bands like Gigolo Aunts were exploding, while Falling August was still occasionally playing to an audience of three at venues like the Green Street Grill in Jamaica Plain at 1 a.m. on a school night (and that’s the pre-gentrification Green Street Grill, folks). " -- Whpq (talk) 16:46, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Nomination withdrawn. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 13:38, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Barobax

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An attempt was made to nominate this article for deletion on the 9th by substituting the template directly onto the log. I reverted that and am completing a proper nomination. The original nomination rationale was "deleted before, the article assert some notability on Google mostly for a music video , not enough to meet WP:Music , no professional reviews" and the nominator is User:Spada2. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:39, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Objection: Barobax is an underground Iranian band. How can there be professional reviews for a band that is banned in its home country? The notability of this underground band is demonstrated by the fact that their music sells on both iTunes and Amazon, and that they have produced professional videos despite censorship in Iran. The phenomenon of underground Iranian music is very noteworthy and if you delete this page then you'll be doing the Iranian censors a favor. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emahyar (talk • contribs) 16:44, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I know about the situation in Iran but there are lots of high quality articles about Iranian musicians here plz remember that Wikipedia is not Facebook or Mysapce, plz read WP:Music, the article has been deleted before. (Plz write your opinion below not above!) link to Itune insted of references obviously an advert Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 06:28, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Sources exist to assert notability and 1,060,000 results in Google. Maashatra11 (talk) 18:14, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment as I said in my concerns, most G hits refer to a music video and download sites.not enough to meet WP:Music. if the band is that notable one should be able to find it in reliable sources too. from the other hand "barobax" is a slang form for "guys" in Persian, maybe some g hits refer to that. Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 07:40, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

OK, I've added reliable references: a very popular Iranian magazine, BBC, and ARTE. This is a work in progress, I have more to read and to add to the page as I go along. But these three sources speak to the notability this band has had for a number of years. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emahyar (talk • contribs) 00:25, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The purpose of adding this band to Wikipedia is spread knowledge about notable cultural phenomenon: namely underground Iranian music. Underground Iranian music is not well known by any means and the purpose of Wikipedia is to spread knowledge. Iranian musicians with high quality articles are mostly ones living in the West. This article, especially with the reliable secondary sources, is a start and more will be added as time goes by. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Emahyar (talk • contribs) 00:36, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Withdraw , reliable sources (BBC) provided by Emahyar , advert removed. plz dont add links to music stores! Spada II ♪♫ (talk) 06:08, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 02:08, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yulia Nova

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Fails WP:PORNBIO, no indication the subject can satisfy the GNG or any other specialized guideline; zero GNews hits, zero nontrivial GBooks hits. Survived initial AFD in 2007 based on relaxed PORNBIO criteria no longer recognized as valid. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 19:29, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Didn't even pass PORNBIO in 2007. Epbr123 (talk) 23:42, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Notable mainly in a non-English-speaking country, therefore does not meet criteria set up by Wikipedia's biased editors. Dekkappai (talk) 00:16, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment WP:PORNBIO is notoriously biased, and has been shown so numerous times, since it is only relevant to English-language North American porn stars. Applying it to non-English-language porn fails. 76.66.192.55 (talk) 05:28, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Comment Find Sources template doesn't seem to work in Japanese... 76.66.192.55 (talk) 07:41, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:47, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bingle

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Unreferenced dictionary definition of an Australian slang turn of phrase. A google search shows that it certainly exists, if only for the first definition of a car accident. The question is though, does this belong in an encyclopedia? role^player 00:19, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:NOTDIC. elektrik SHOOS 00:59, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTDIC. Undeniably ubiquitous Australian slang term for a minor traffic accident, but Wikipedia is not a dictionary. --Shirt58 (talk) 11:10, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Sounds pretty spammy and promotional for the Bingle car insurance company... "Since the launch of value online car insurance brand bingle the word changed in the popular vernacular to mean bargain"? Hmmm. --Canley (talk) 13:16, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as an encyclopedia is not a dictionary, and the article reads like blatant advertising. Mtiffany71(talk) 18:48, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not notable, made up. "Since the launch of value online car insurance brand bingle the word changed in the popular vernacular to mean bargain". No it has not. duffbeerforme (talk) 12:32, 21 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:51, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rex Roy

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This article is about a freelance journalist which does not meet notability. He is certainly a published joournalist. However trying to find significant coverage about him turns up not much. I found this. His coffee table book was excerpted in the NY Times. That's notu enough to establish notability for me, but this far from a clear cut case so bringin this to AFD for more eyes. Whpq (talk) 17:52, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Article was started by Wikipedia name "Rex from Detroit." Hmmmmm. Carrite (talk) 16:51, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Second relist rationale. The article is a BLP. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A real columnist for a real newspaper, in fact, the 12th largest paper in the United States. I checked. An obvious keep. The article needs a general cleanup but that's not a reason to delete. patsw (talk) 00:48, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete No third party commentary is in the article on him or his published material. He may be a prolific author but that doesn't mean he is notable. Miami33139 (talk) 02:43, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Roy's column is not self-published. The multiple publishers who have decided to engage him are third parties. 15:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)

Question What is it about being a columnist for the 12th largest newspaper in the United States that you do not find notable? patsw (talk) 15:58, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Has not had substantial coverage from multiple independent sources. Simply authoring a large quantity of stuff is not criteria for inclusion. SPA issues. Christopher Connor (talk) 17:51, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Question What sort of multiple independent sources do you expect a newspaper columnist and author to have?

Comment He's an automotive columnist for a newspaper in the automobile capital of the U.S. He's written a book published by the major automotive genre publisher, and the book according to its Amazon page got reviewed by the people one would expect to review books in that genre. The delete arguments here resemble examples at WP:IDONTKNOWIT patsw (talk) 21:00, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. This has been open for the better part of a month, and all I'm seeing here is no consensus to do anything at all. Courcelles (talk) 09:11, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Lindsey Cardinale

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American Idol also-ran. Almost no sources, no notability per WP:MUSIC. Contains speculation/OR such as "In late 2007, it was announced that Lindsey had signed with Aria Records Nashville. Her name has since been removed from their website and it appears that Aria Records has released Cardinale from her contract." (As an aside, Aria Records has not proven notable enough for an article.) A search for sources turned up only information dating from her time on American Idol, absolutely nothing after the fact. She appeared on a Christmas album compilation which is also up at AFD for lack of notability. Last AFD was closed as speedy keep due to disruption. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • ^{(Many otters • One bat • One hammer)} 20:04, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Should have been deleted a year ago. Unable to locate sufficient reliable third-party sources independent of the subject to establish WP:N. Does not appear to meet WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO. J04n(talk page) 12:25, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
The article was previously unreferenced, but just now I've added several citations, over several years up to 2009. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 20:28, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Passes WP:MUSIC #4 #1 and #9. Aspects (talk) 06:56, 4 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I hate to badger but I'm not seeing that she meets 4 or 9. I only see "occasional Idol-related performances" with only one show referenced and she came in 12th on Idol, not what I would consider placing. Her biggest non-Idol accomplishment is that she was a spokesperson for a local auto dealer? one non-charting single? I could go for Merge to American Idol (season 4) but anything else would be far too generous. J04n(talk page) 01:46, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I do not know what I was thinking, I meant to put #1 with the newly found sources by Paul Erik. I do consider being a finalist on American Idol as placing in a major music competition. Aspects (talk) 17:57, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Being an Idol finalist alone confers notability. This seems to be the established threshold by the wikiproject, at Wikipedia:WikiProject Idol series#Guidelines, as well. Tarc (talk) 13:12, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to American Idol (season 4). Accomplishments and coverage not significant enought to pass WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO.--137.122.49.102 (talk) 17:17, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect don't delete the history, the article can be recovered if she does anything notable outside placing 12th on a local tv show. Miami33139 (talk) 02:45, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
American Idol is a local TV show? I think the coverage is enough to pass WP:GNG or WP:MUSICBIO criterion #1, although just barely. There are a couple of newspaper articles that are about her specifically. Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 03:09, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I'm unconvinced there's enough coverage to pass GNG, even if they are a finalist. If they are and they're notable then there should be substantial coverage elsewhere too. Shadowjams (talk) 09:05, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Celebrity is not notability, American Idol finalist or not.Mtiffany71 (talk) 19:21, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
In response to the last two, we're not dealing with WP:GNG here. We're dealing with WP:MUSICBIO, where an Idol finalist meets #9 and maybe #12. Also the WikiProject (WP:IDOL) appears to have dealt with this issue time and time again, and looking through the history of various AFDs, I see broad precedent for the creation of articles on finalists. Tarc (talk) 21:11, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

American Idol is an elimination competition. There's no "2nd place." There's one winner, and everyone else loses. No one places, ergo #9 does not apply. And that she appeared on the series does not make her the subject of the series, ergo #12 does not apply.Mtiffany71 (talk) 00:18, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Er, no, there is nothing even remotely true in what you just said. Tarc (talk) 02:05, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Agree with above comments, by Mtiffany71 (talk · contribs), J04n (talk · contribs), and TenPoundHammer (talk · contribs). She got 12th place, that's nice. But there does not really seem to be enough there in terms of significant coverage. Subject fails WP:NOTE. -- Cirt (talk) 19:29, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Just to reiterate what I said in the deletion review I was unsure how to respond to others' comments here, because others are not stating what is insufficient about the sources I added. Multiple reliable sources discuss the subject, some of the articles discuss her exclusively—that usually is enough for WP:NOTE, is it not? Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 19:41, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly meets WP:N given the sources added by Paul Erik. I'm curious why those who feel she fails WP:N believe that when there are three sources that cover her in depth. Hobit (talk) 22:57, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete 12th place is not notable enough, not made a celebrity. Losing finalists who lost their fame after American Idol. Well, the show is a signing competition, not a local event. ApprenticeFan ^work 02:20, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A review of the reliable and verifiable sources provided in the article that are about the article's subject meets the Wikipedia Notability standard. Alansohn (talk) 02:21, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - It does appear this topic has received significant coverage from reliable secondary sources, thus passing WP:NOTE and its WP:GNG. --Oakshade (talk) 03:35, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Passes WP:MUSICBIO and indeed WP:GNG by having received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources. Perhaps I'm missing something, but I can't see a policy-based delete rationale here. Alzarian16 (talk) 08:59, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
comment: When I first !voted on this AfD it was unreferenced. I now went back and have decided not to change my !vote. Other than finishing 12th on American Idol Ms Cardinale has twice performed at Ponchatoula's Strawberry Festival, become the spokesperson for the Bill Hood Automotive Family in Southern Louisiana, switched her major to journalism, released a single that did not chart, and signed with a label and produced no albums in 3 years. Is there coverage? Apparently yes. Of anything notable? I'm not seeing it. This page should be redirected to American Idol (season 4). J04n(talk page) 09:19, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Coverage of something which you consider notable isn't required, just coverage. Otherwise, were I in charge, we'd have no articles on porn stars or any but the most notable athletes. We've agreed on WP:N as a way of judging notability. Yes, there can be exceptions to it (it's a guideline after all) but if you really want to replace WP:N with "I do or don't personally think this is notable" that's a pretty big step and I'd ask that you reconsider it. Hobit (talk) 13:07, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If that were the case every highschool quarterback would be notable. I'm sorry but coverage of her appearances in a strawberry festival are not going to convince me that she is a notable subject. Spirit of the law should not be trumped by letter of the law.J04n(talk page) 13:42, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Significant coverage in 3 states is unlikely in a HS quarterback and is a darn good sign of notability. Heck, honestly coverage of a HS quarterback in any detail is rare these days. I've not seen any such coverage in our local paper in the last 10 years. To see multiple RSes providing non-trivial coverage of a HS Quarterback would actually be a pretty good indication of notability. Hobit (talk) 15:27, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep The article needs some work, particularly in the opening paragraph where notability is supposed to be indicated (should mention her modelling, spokesperson and recording deal), but the sources and content in the rest of the article indicates that the subject is somewhat notable. Freakshownerd (talk) 14:01, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The article just does not tell us why she is important, as nice a person as she seems to be. Also, press coverage gives us permission to have an article on someone -- but it does not compel us to have one if there is nothing important for people to know about the person. Also if 1,000 years from now, when there will have been hundreds of Idol-like shows, is WP going to have an article on every finalist? That could be millions of people.Borock (talk) 04:14, 20 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:53, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Dusty Brill

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Subject appears to be a "replacement" professional musician, which means he doesn't meet WP:BAND. The article uses a single source, which does not address the subject in detail. Found one other source that is also a trivial mention, so subject does not meet WP:GNG. Akerans (talk) 23:34, 2 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Second relist rationale. The article is a BLP. --Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:04, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete if the nominator is correct. Miami33139 (talk) 02:46, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:53, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

List of Hispanic pornographic actors

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Most of these people are only marginally "hispanic." Unsourced "Original research." Melanesian obsession (talk) 04:29, 9 July 2010 (UTC)Amended rationale everything I said in my first nomination and I would add that this list if rife with actual and potential "Biography of Living Person" issues. Melanesian obsession (talk) 23:20, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for WP:OR hyphenated Americanism. Eddie.willers (talk) 14:39, 9 July 2010 (UTC); * Note: This debate has been added to the WikiProject Pornography list of deletions. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 18:41, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It isn't clear what "marginally 'hispanic'" means, and I can't find it anywhere as a reason for deletion. Every list member's biography should indicate that the person is Hispanic, and it should be supported by WP:RS. Poor sourcing is not a valid reason for deletion. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 18:54, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Delete as totally impractical as an encyclopedia article when one considers that pornographic actors are often represented as Latino or given Hispanic names when they are not. I can't imagine this article could ever be anything close to encyclopedic and accurate, so I am opining "thumbs down" on the basis of common sense rather than specific policy. --Griseum (talk) 05:54, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Unsourced pornotrivia of no serious scholarly value. Carrite (talk) 21:56, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 20:55, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Victim Rights Law Center

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I've contested my own speedy tag on this one as the hangon rationale, on the talk page, asserts some marginal notability. However, I don't think it is enough to pass WP:CORP and WP:NOBLECAUSE. Delete. Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 05:43, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. There is significant coverage in multiple secondary sources asserting the notability of this organization. (The Oregonian, Boston Globe) Gobonobo ^T ^C 15:41, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- The one in the Oregonian seems to be about an organization with the same name in Portland OR, not the one in Boston. Either way, it's a trivial mention. The one in boston.com is less trivial, but still insufficient. -- Blanchardb -^{Me•MyEars•MyMouth}- timed 17:00, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The law center has offices in both Boston and Portland. Gobonobo ^T ^C 17:16, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep. Seems to be marginally notable as described in Boston Globe and local press.Biophys (talk) 23:14, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - the quoted ref's are not significant enough to pass WP:CORP. Codf1977 (talk) 09:29, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Keep In addition to the references cited at the page, there are a bunch of others [4] in national Reliable Sources including the Washington Post and USA Today. --MelanieN (talk) 14:29, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Tibetan and Himalayan Library. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 20:51, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tibetan Machine Uni

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Seems like a font like any other to me. No sign of notability, no secondary sources. -- Prince Kassad (talk) 13:57, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Tibetan and Himalayan Library, which it was developed for. Fences&Windows 18:27, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Athletics at the 2010 South American Games. There are several incidents of individual sports events being broken out into standalone articles, though sometimes, as with this one, there is little sense of the benefit gained, especially when the sub-article mainly repeats the information contained in the parent article. Such practise is contrary to guidelines - see WP:Sports event and WP:AVOIDSPLIT as well as the spirit of WP:Not, WP:MERGE and WP:Stub which indicates that articles which do not have obvious potential to grow are probably best not being created, or if they are created then they should be merged. If there were a gain of material, then splitting is appropriate, but splitting simply to duplicate the material into a new place is not helpful. There are some items of information contained in this article which can be easily incorporated in the parent article (the finishing times), but mostly it is repetition. I would support anyone going through Category:Athletics at the 2010 South American Games and merging where appropriate. SilkTork *^YES! 16:36, 24 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Athletics at the 2010 South American Games – Women's 4 x 400m relay

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There are a whole string of articles based on one this set of games. There is not much notable about the specific event itself, and it surely belongs as part of the main article, where the bulk of the detail currently exists. This seems to be contrary to WP:Encyclopaedic and is something more akin to a specific sports or athletic site. billinghurst sDrewth 02:47, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As part of an established series of articles for events like this (Olympics, Commonwealth Games, etc). Lugnuts (talk) 17:04, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Merge and Delete per nom. Maashatra11 (talk) 18:26, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

What about all the articles in the parent category? Lugnuts (talk) 19:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

They should all be merged into a parent article IMHO. Maashatra11 (talk) 19:14, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I feel that these individual events are like the individual dates issues, and not notable as individual events, instead as the collection. I would support them being moved to the Portal namespace and then organising them as subpages, allowing the article on the 2010 South American Games to act as the encyclopaedic article. With regard to the Olympic Games, Commonwealth games etc. I would believe that the bulk of the articles fall into the same category, and that there may be an article or two that is notable within each games that could stand as an notable article itself. billinghurst sDrewth 23:20, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the above comment by User:billinghurst. Maashatra11 (talk) 23:32, 19 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. No objection to someone redirecting later after AFD close, as an editor-decision. -- Cirt (talk) 01:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Elin Harries

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fails WP:ENT. one role only. she doesn't even have an IMDB listing. LibStar (talk) 00:49, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as per above. Eddie.willers (talk) 14:52, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
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Redirect stub to Pobol y Cwm where she has sourcable context. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 02:24, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Lacks notability. Even if the program in which she currently appears is notable, notability is not heritable.Mtiffany71 (talk) 17:50, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, lacks independent notability... and that is why a redirect of a reasonable search term will suffice. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 07:08, 17 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Loughton Residents Association

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Residents association that does not satisfy the notability guidelines, has no references or reasons stating its notability. -- Jack?! 20:18, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Tons of coverage in reliable sources see [5] , --MelanieN (talk) 04:43, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as a non-notable local residents association. Its stated rationale for notability, that it has "unusually, elected councillors at all three levels of local government" is not that unusual at all. In many rural locations throughout the UK residents associations and parish councils tend to have all local government representatives sitting on them. -- role^player 10:25, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. That the writer finds it "very unusual" that a specific group has members who have been "elected councillors at all three levels of local government" makes that fact trivial, not notable.Mtiffany71 (talk) 17:18, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 20:49, 23 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Sharko

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Article shows nothing to satisfy notability. No references on the article and little coverage on searching. Per WP:BAND -- Jack?! 20:05, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - This Belgian band appears to have its coverage primarily in French. [6], [7] are examples. As my French is rather pathetic, I'm not digging any further but this google news search would indicate there is coverage in French available to establish notabiltiy -- Whpq (talk) 16:47, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Band seems to be notable enough in the French-speaking world. Don't know why people who don't speak the language would think they have some special insight into French or Belgian culture to decide what lacks notability.Mtiffany71 (talk) 17:35, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- Cirt (talk) 01:54, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fourthwall Cinema

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per Wikipedia is not a dictionary, usage, slang, and/or idiom guide and not neologism. Mostly failed verification. The only information properly sourced is that which is related to the film FrICTION (the second paragraph). Basically, it is the only sourced Fourthwall Cinema film and one film does not make a movement. Google Searches for "Fourth wall Cinema" and "Fourthwall Cinema" bring up nothing of note. Kollision (talk) 19:45, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Fourth wall#Film & television, where the concept has its sourced context. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 01:34, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Subject lacks notability. Unsourced claims that certain films fall into this made-up category are or border on original research.Mtiffany71 (talk) 17:13, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Courcelles (talk) 04:37, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Current Affairs (Event Planning and Production Company)

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Contested proposed deletion, not mine. This is an essentially advertising article about an event planning business that fails to establish significance. While it apparently has references, they all appear to be puff pieces in minor trade publications with local or limited readership. There's no indication that this business "has had any significant or demonstrable effects on culture, society, entertainment, athletics, economies, history, literature, science, or education." And while the fact that The company has a staff of 10 may not in itself establish non-notability, the article does not really say anything that suggests that they aren't just another firm in the field. Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 15:15, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep - it is spammy, but several of the sources look reliable - in particular the business journals, which are syndicated and well-known. It seems, therefore, to be barely notable. I am leaning towards a keep, but the "peacock language" has to go. Bearian (talk) 16:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. That some of the sources may be reliable, I grant. But I'm not sure that anything they say, or for that matter anything the article says, establishes the "long-term historical notability" of this business. - Smerdis of Tlön - killing the human spirit since 2003! 02:07, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

True! That's why I think it's a weak keep. Bearian (talk) 16:42, 10 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Non-notable. The sources are very unimpressive - mostly press releases plus a few "business briefs". One actual article, in the Pacific Business News, about the company/its founder, dating from 2008. IMO this doesn't amount to "significant coverage in independent reliable sources." --MelanieN (talk) 04:55, 15 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Re-hashing press releases and appearing in local business briefs is not substantial coverage. Miami33139 (talk) 02:49, 16 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus with leave to speedy renominate. However, I notice from the article's history that the nominator is the only substantial contributor. Therefore, it might be eligible for speedy deletion under CSD G7. (non-admin closure) Ron Ritzman (talk) 23:41, 29 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Baumrind's four styles

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This content was copied from Parenting style before a major edit there. I didn't intend this article to exist by itself, which is why I had made it a sub-page of Parenting style. All of the useful content is still present on other articles. Rixs (talk) 14:22, 9 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Why not split the articles though? I am not sure if Baumrind's four necessarily needs to be part of the Parenting article. If it is a trend in parenting thinking, it might have enough notability for independent status. Sadads (talk) 11:13, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This text is fundamentally about parenting styles, and so that other page is the proper place to explain it. Having looked into the topic of parenting, I've found no better theoretical overview of parenting styles. She set out to structure the topic of parenting styles, and she achieved it very well. So splitting it makes no sense to me. The text in this article was only copied out as a backup. Not for real use. I have no problem with the notability. It surely is noteable. -- Rixs (talk) 09:01, 14 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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There are only two of us that care about this page. I created it as a COPY of existing material on Parenting styles in a sub-page before editing. Then Sadads moved it to be a major article. It is still a DUPLICATE of the material, now reworked, on Parenting styles. This page is an unnecessary orphan. -- Rixs (talk) 19:35, 26 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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