User talk:Nihonjoe

日本穣—Nihonjoe—Talk page Generally, I'll reply here if you post here, so please watch this page if you want to see my reply. If replying on another page, use the {{ping}} or {{reply}} templates to make sure I notice your reply. If I don't reply within a couple days on another page where you replied to one of my comments, feel free to drop a message here. Thanks! ···日本穣 Leave me a new message Deletion of TrustATrader Page Hello, I see you are the editor who deleted the TrustATrader page I submitted for, according to the notes, advertising. Are you able to give me some more specifics as to which parts of the article were deemed as advertising? I was very careful to make sure all of the sources used are reliable and that the information provided regarding TrustATrader was purely factual. Is the reason for deletion the mention of other brands in the TrustATrader group? I hope you can give me some clarity as to exactly why the article was rejected, in more detail, so I can make the necessary changes in order to successfully resubmit. Perhaps you would be able to give me some advice as to the sections of the article that need work in order for it to be accepted. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by JosephCaley (talk • contribs) 12:37, 12 June 2017‎ (UTC) @JosephCaley: The article was written like marketing copy, something more appropriate for the TrustATrader website than Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a venue for advertising. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:44, 12 June 2017 (UTC) @Nihonjoe: Are you able to specify in more details which parts of the TrustATrader were deemed as advertising? I was very careful of the sources I used and how the article was written, in order to be as encyclopedic and possible. Please do specify so I can work on the article and resubmit. Thank you. — Preceding JosephCaley comment added by JosephCaley (talk • contribs) 09:30, 14 June 2017‎ (UTC) @JosephCaley: The {{re}} template doesn't need to be used on my page since I'll be notified of any posts to this page anyway. As for the TrustATrader page, the article was like something you'd find on the company website rather than in an encyclopedia. It explained how to use the service, listed off all the different services it offered, and did so using language that was more marketing-oriented than what you would find in an encyclopedia. You might also ask Theroadislong since he was the one who declined the submission to WP:AFC. He might have further insight into that. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:09, 14 June 2017 (UTC) My apologies for using the incorrect tag. Thank you for your feedback, I shall look at the article again and resubmit once edited. — Preceding JosephCaley comment added by JosephCaley (talk • contribs) 09:30, 14 June 2017‎ (UTC) @JosephCaley: Not a problem. I figure you might not be aware of that, since you're fairly new to Wikipedia. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:13, 15 June 2017 (UTC) iSorrowProductions Please stop editing out iSorrowProductions as not relevant in referencing Slough in his videos. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.167.210.161 (talk) 16:47, 14 June 2017 (UTC) It's not relevant to the article on Slough. Referencing some place in a video doesn't make that mention relevant to the place referenced. Stop spamming your video productions. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:04, 14 June 2017 (UTC) Interaction This is pointless. Go bother someone else. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:48, 20 June 2017 (UTC) The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. You can of course feel write to talk to me at the article talk page, but as I noted, I will not be interacting with you further there. Jytdog (talk) 06:13, 16 June 2017 (UTC) @Jytdog: Well, that's a really good way to get things accomplished. If you can't be bothered to respond, then please leave the page alone. Communication is key to getting things done around here, and if you can;t handle a little heated discussion, then perhaps Wikipedia is not the right place for you. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 06:17, 16 June 2017 (UTC) Yeah I thought about that. In our brief interaction you have induced rage in me, and that is very hard to do. I have over 100K edits and work on very controversial stuff. Your communication style is overly aggressive and much of what you have written on the talk page is simply wrong. The thing about censorship of the library not belonging on the library page is one of the most ridiculous things I have read in a long time in WP. And I deal with some real freakshows. Jytdog (talk) 06:24, 16 June 2017 (UTC) @Jytdog: Yes, sometimes I can come across as aggressive or blunt. I don't mean to, but it is what it is. Sorry. As for censorship of the library, I have no idea what you're talking about. I never said anything about censorship of the library not belonging. For the parts where I did mention censorship, I suggested you add the information (since you've already done some research, it seems). The only thing I said didn't belong there was academic freedom at BYU (which would be better addressed at the main university article) and that all employees enforce the honor code, so there's no reason to single out librarians for doing it. How is that at all ridiculous? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 06:32, 16 June 2017 (UTC) I thought about how to turn this interaction around. I get criticized for being blunt too and I understand the value of being direct. If you were writing sensible things I would work through the style. Example. At the talk page you wrote Academic freedom at BYU: Since this article is about the library at BYU, not BYU itself, it seems that would be better addressed at Brigham Young University, not here.. With regard to the library, academic freedom = what books are present or absent = censorship or not, which is what I went into later in the comments I made - the first lines in the comment were just kind of a LEAD. Part of the purpose of providing the WL to Academic freedom at Brigham Young University was to make it clear that it is a notable (for WP) topic for the university so is likely to be for the library as well. From my perspective your response was simply wrong at worst or just thoughtless at best, yet stated so bluntly. Rage inducing for me. I deleted several blunt responses before I noted I would be responding here. You also don't seem to be aware that the GLAM program at the library does not appear to be going well - both the student workers and the lead person appear to spend their time mostly promoting the library, and people have had to spend time cleaning up spammed ELs from them across many articles. GLAM editors live right on the edge of the bad kind of COI, and when GLAM editors go wrong it is awkward and difficult. Kind of like how classes under the education program go awry sometimes. But I have been pondering how to deal with the larger picture. They have a big digital collection and if they could get better aligned to using that to support the mission more broadly it would be a boon. But I am also a bit worried about pushback from them on getting some of the difficult topics into the article. I was not counting on somebody supposedly neutral showing up and writing "everything is fine" so authoritatively nor dressing me down in front of them. You have made the work I have before me on the larger issues around this GLAM program harder, and that is also frustrating. I may not even do it since the ground under me is eroded there now by you calling my statement a "complete falsehood" and your writing "It's (again) good.". An article that fails NPOV - that has nothing difficult in it - is not "good". Argh. But back to our little tangle. As I said I am trying to not let my buttons get pushed. If you are interested in the topic I guess we will be interacting but I am going to keep that to a minimum. Please be aware that I try not to write thoughtless things in WP, ever. I am wrong sometimes, sure. And I can hear that. But I will probably just not respond to you sometimes. Jytdog (talk) 07:03, 16 June 2017 (UTC) btw, when you did this move, did you merge the histories? I think you must have. Jytdog (talk) 07:22, 16 June 2017 (UTC) @Jytdog: Yes, though I've been hiding various edits which introduced the copyvios. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 07:25, 16 June 2017 (UTC) I think you may realise that I've also been concerned about these editors, although I don't recall that I'd noticed it was a GLAM program. Such programs should not be used to promote the institution the way these editors have been doing, and I for one would appreciate a comment from you about this. In case you don't know about the EL issue, the links were just to pages showing holdings, nothing that could possibly pass WP:EL and were work to clean up. Doug Weller talk 11:01, 16 June 2017 (UTC) @Doug Weller: No, I didn't realize you were concerned because you've never told me you were concerned until now. All ELs should follow WP:EL. I've never said anything different, so I'm not sure why you "would appreciate a comment from you about this." If the ELs being added by the HBLL GLAM project are not appropriate, tell them, not me. I'm only listed there as available if they have any questions, and they do occasionally ask me questions. If you politely let Rachel Helps (BYU) know, I'm sure she'll talk to any of her people to make sure they are following the rules. She's very good about that. Wikipedia is a Byzantine labyrinth of policies and guidelines, so I can't fault someone for now knowing every single one of them by heart, or for interpreting them differently than someone else. JUst let them know. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:25, 16 June 2017 (UTC) We're going to have to agree to disagree. I think she should have made them aware of when to link to the library and when not to link. Doug Weller talk 11:59, 19 June 2017 (UTC) Hi Doug Weller and Jytdog. I try to follow the guidelines on Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Cultural Professionals for linking to our collection. I was sick one day and my student picked up the task before I had a chance to properly explain it to her. In the future I won't be assigning my students to add links. It would be helpful to know which collections are inappropriate for linking--it is rather disappointing to link to a findingaid with no digital content (although sometimes they have helpful metadata). Can we talk about it on Wikipedia talk:The Wikipedia Library/Cultural Professionals? Also, adding external links to pages is not our main work. Usually we are expanding pages of people in our collections, and occasionally nominating them for DYK or GA. If you have more specific concerns, let's talk on my talk page.Rachel Helps (BYU) (talk) 15:29, 19 June 2017 (UTC) Responded at the WLCP page. Doug Weller talk 17:43, 19 June 2017 (UTC) Thanks for acknowledging that you merged the histories. So the article when we were discussing it, was the product of one person with a COI per this diff that you had moved to mainspace. I would appreciate you striking the "complete falsehood" thing on the talk page and adding a note that clarifying that you merged the histories. The presence of that statement is not helpful in the bigger picture, as I noted above. If there was no larger picture I would just ignore it. Thanks. Jytdog (talk) 19:57, 16 June 2017 (UTC) Thanks for responding in part. Jytdog (talk) 21:59, 16 June 2017 (UTC) The part you asked to be struck has been struck since last night. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:00, 16 June 2017 (UTC) So you did. So to recap, you moved the recreation of the article by 1 editor with a COI (diff) to mainspace and merged the history (diff), and you originally say that this is a "a complete falsehood" and even now say that this description was "inaccurate at best" (you have edited it extensively since you moved it, so now it is not true of the article). And you here call my attention to this tiny step back (diff). If that is the closest you can come to dealing with reality, that is a problem. An admin should not behave this way, even when they are INVOLVED as an editor. Jytdog (talk) 15:58, 19 June 2017 (UTC) You're the one who asked me to do it when I'd already done it. I left it the way it was so people could see what you were even talking about. And I wasn't an involved editor until after that as I had never edited the page before this edit when I moved the rewrite. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:04, 20 June 2017 (UTC) and about what you wrote here. First that was inappropriate for an article Talk page. More importantly, you seem to think that COI is something "evil" and that naming COI is smearing people. You also appear to be unaware of what humans tend to do, when they edit with a COI. What they tend to do when they edit is completely understandable and human, but it is generally not good for WP nor our content, which is why COI needs to be managed here (just like it is at any knowledge-publishing institution). You have again spoken "bluntly" about things in a way that is significantly incorrect and you have ... complicated my efforts to address the problems at this article. Dealing with COI is already delicate (which is why I didn't just charge in and start making changes but instead started proposing things at the Talk page), and your "blunt" incorrectness is unhelpful. I am asking you now to stop doing this. Jytdog (talk) 16:45, 19 June 2017 (UTC) How on Earth was it inappropriate? And how do you know what I think? You're obviously not a mind-reader since that is absolutely not what I think. Your efforts were blundering and unhelpful, and I've addressed all of the issues you raised. Yet you continue to whine and complain about things that have already been fixed. If you have a concern about the existing article, please bring it up over at Talk:Harold B. Lee Library, not here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:04, 20 June 2017 (UTC) "attack horse"?. I am writing here about your behavior, as this is the appropriate place to bring that. This appears to be failing. If you continue as you have been at the article Talk page, I will be taking things to the next level. Hopefully you will change your behavior and that will not be necessary. Jytdog (talk) 14:19, 20 June 2017 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. "Official" in a username I saw you blocked Pranhakarofficial ‎ (talk · contribs) for a username violation. Given how common social media it is to have usernames exactly like that for individual use, I was surprised. Are you aware of this being discussed at any length? I'll take it to WT:U when I have the time. --Ronz (talk) 16:39, 17 June 2017 (UTC) @Ronz: Because the username (with a typo ("n" instead of "b") was being promotional, and because the username implied usage by multiple people (being the "official" account and all), it was blocked. You're welcome to open a discussion at WP:U that discusses whether such shared-use account are acceptable, or whether being promotional is acceptable. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:23, 18 June 2017 (UTC) In the case of Pranhakarofficial ‎, I agree the misspelling is cause for a block. My concern is associating "official" in a username as indicating it is a shared account. --Ronz (talk) 15:29, 19 June 2017 (UTC) "Official" in the username often indicates usage by a marketing team. This is a very common reason to be blocked, especially if editing content that matches the other part of the username. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:44, 20 June 2017 (UTC) Draft:Ivan Lam Hi Nihonjoe, In regards to the action you took in the subject above. First of all, I would like to apologise for my carelessness, I did not realise that I was plagiarising from an existing text on another website. As of now, I would like to have the page back up (if possible), as a draft so that it would be easier to work on it from there. I did not save anything of what I wrote previously in the page. If you are unable to perform my request, then I completely understand and I will start from scratch again. However, I get this message when creating a new draft, and I am unsure of what it means. Hence, why I am contacting you. Do hope that you can help. Appreciate a swift response. Sincerely, John — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wei-Ling wiki (talk • contribs) 03:35, 19 June 2017 (UTC) @Wei-Ling wiki: It looks like you already have the page at Draft:Ivan Lam. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 05:12, 19 June 2017 (UTC) @NihonJoe, yes. I just uploaded that. If I clicked 'watch this page', will I be getting a review from any editors? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wei-Ling wiki (talk • contribs) 06:58, 19 June 2017 (UTC) @Wei-Ling wiki: Watching the page means it will be on your own Watchlist. It has no effect on whether anyone else looks at it or reviews it. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:45, 20 June 2017 (UTC) Template:Editnotices/Group/User:Nihonjoe This page probably should not be protected because all editnotices are already auto-"protected" so that only admins and template editors can edit. 83.31.75.34 (talk) 17:19, 24 June 2017 (UTC) @83.31.75.34: It's my page, so it's protected. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:30, 24 June 2017 (UTC) Draft:NextRE, Inc. (Next Real Estate™) Hi, just to let you know that the article you just speedily deleted as G11 has been recreated within an hour! Draft:NextRE, Inc. (Next Real Estate™) Curb Safe Charmer (talk) 17:54, 25 June 2017 (UTC) @Curb Safe Charmer: Thanks. It's been deleted and salted. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:55, 25 June 2017 (UTC) Nomination for deletion of Template:SP Studio Ghibli Template:SP Studio Ghibli has been nominated for deletion. You are invited to comment on the discussion at the template's entry on the Templates for discussion page. Ten Pound Hammer • (What did I screw up now?) 22:29, 25 June 2017 (UTC) percieved slight i am not harassing you. your name is related to japan but if you perceive a slight against you, you are mistaken. i dont want to take up any more discussion but, just so you know that my edits are not intended to hound you.68.151.25.115 (talk) 23:02, 25 June 2017 (UTC) @68.151.25.115: I have no idea what you're talking about. Please provide more clear details. Perhaps a link? ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:04, 25 June 2017 (UTC) He certainly doesn't make a lot of sense. He's posted on my talk page 3 times now. The last time he had the hide to accuse me of hounding him![1] --AussieLegend (✉) 23:47, 25 June 2017 (UTC) [2] heres the diff. knock it off...68.151.25.115 (talk) 03:57, 27 June 2017 (UTC) @68.151.25.115: Your comments are harassing as you are going after anyone wqho disagrees with your move proposal. Stop it now. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 03:59, 27 June 2017 (UTC) Please note that Please discuss this issue at Talk:Chak Shafi, not here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 03:47, 27 June 2017 (UTC) The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Chak Choti Shafi and Chak Shafi are not two names of one place. They are exactly two different villages. I was going to add a source to Chak Choti Shafi but you reverted my edit when I was editing... Sinner (talk) 00:37, 27 June 2017 (UTC) @Nazim Hussain Pak: The coordinates that were in the infoboxes were almost identical, so please discuss that on Talk:Chak Shafi. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:43, 27 June 2017 (UTC) Please get coordinates of 3km north east of Chak Shafi and add them to Chak Choti Shafi. Coordinates of Chak Shafi are 30.3700702°N 73.2214736°ECoordinates: 30.3700702°N 73.2214736°E and coordinates of Chak Choti Shafi, 3km in north of Chak Shafi must be different. I had got the coordinates myself but problem is that my browser allows me to operate wikipedia and Wikimedia commons. I can't operate any other sister project of wikipedia or google. I hope you will get these coordinates and put them into Chak Choti Shafi. Sinner (talk) 01:03, 27 June 2017 (UTC) @Nazim Hussain Pak: Let me reiterate: please discuss that on Talk:Chak Shafi. Do not discuss it further here on my talk page. Thank you. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 03:47, 27 June 2017 (UTC) The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion. Thanks for your message I have updated my user page to show that I am an employee. Thank you for the heads up. The links are outdated and the page has few sources. Our goals are not promotional but simply informational. This is limited to things like providing sources (which are in Japanese and not necessarily accessible) and updating links. If you feel like I have violated the Wikipedia terms in any way, please inform me and I will attend to it as expeditiously as possible. I appreciate you reaching out. Daniel — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danielsuga (talk • contribs) 00:49, 27 June 2017 (UTC) User:Social Treats I'd like to upgrade to a SPAMU as they have made spammish edits.Dlohcierekim (talk) 18:50, 28 June 2017 (UTC) @Dlohcierekim: Feel free. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:51, 28 June 2017 (UTC) Thanks.Dlohcierekim (talk) 18:52, 28 June 2017 (UTC) WikiProject Karate comment Hi there, thanks for your comment on the proposal for WP:WikiProject Karate, we are trying to get at least 6 supporters for the proposal before we proceed, if you do support the idea (but won't really be a major contributor/participant) it would be great if you could add your name at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Wikipedia:WikiProject Karate (or not). All the best and great work with WP:WikiProject Japan. Mountaincirque · Join WikiProject Karate? 08:41, 30 June 2017 (UTC) Pukerua Bay School Museum I am wanting to make a Pukerua Bay School Museum page. I've seen a warning saying that there was one made and it was deleted. I have decided to leave a preview of the page I want to make below. The Pukerua Bay School Museum The Pukerua Bay School Museum is the only museum in Pukerua Bay. It is also the only museum in New Zealand that is run mostly by children. Founders It was founded by three children. Their names are Isaac, Paddy and Aurelia. History The Pukerua Bay School Museum was originally a pop-up museum in one of the founders living rooms. It was founded on the 9th of June 2016. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Da Boz152 (talk • contribs) 20:43, 30 June 2017‎ (UTC) @Da Boz152: I suggest working on a draft in your own userspace, say at User:Da Boz152/Pukerua Bay School Museum. Keep in mind the topic must meet the notability guidelines for organizations by having multiple reliable third-party sources that can be used to verify the notability claimed in the article. Additionally, Wikipedia is not to be used for advertising, and you have to make sure you are aware of how your personal bias may influence what you write. If you need help figuring that out, I recommend going here and following the directions. I also recommend reviewing the information here as it will help you create something that meets all of the requirements to have an article on Wikipedia. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 21:44, 30 June 2017‎ (UTC) Creation of In The Wake (band) I recently created a page "In The Wake (band)" that you had deleted. The band is a published and trademarked group in the United States. May I ask why I cannot create this page as I have I have cited references to the legitimacy of the group? Thank you, Shawn Shutts of Wake Entertainment P.S. If you have any suggestions of how I can get this page created please let me know. Also would like to know how every other published musical group has created pages on here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shawn Shutts of Wake Entertainment (talk • contribs) 06:38, 1 July 2017 (UTC) @Shawn Shutts of Wake Entertainment: I apologize for any confusion, but "every other published musical group" has not created a page here. In fact, music groups generally don't (and shouldn't create their own pages. If they do, they often get deleted as they don't tend to meet our inclusion guidelines for music groups (which happened in this case). "Legitimacy" is not one of those inclusion criteria, and neither is being "trademarked" or "published". I recommend reviewing this page, which gives instruction on writing your first article. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 06:46, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Foncmu's username Hi. You blocked User:Foncmu under the username policy, but I don't agree that their username was unambiguously promotional. It's very common for students to include their alma mater in their screen names, and such names appear to be allowed under WP:ISU anyway. (It's not always possible to tell a student trying to write about their school from an employee engaged in self-promotion.) While the user needed to be educated on the copyright policy, I don't think their username warranted a block. --Paul_012 (talk) 07:44, 1 July 2017 (UTC) @Paul 012: Their username was an acronym for the name of the school, so it was clearly promotional. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 08:24, 1 July 2017 (UTC) To quote the relevant point underWP:ISU, usernames are acceptable if they contain a company or group name but are clearly intended to denote an individual person, such as "Mark at WidgetsUSA", "Jack Smith at the XY Foundation", "WidgetFan87", etc. I don't quite see how this is not the case here. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:59, 1 July 2017 (UTC) @Paul 012: I don't see how that applies at all. "Foncmu" is not "clearly intended to denote an individual person". If it had been "Bob at Foncmu", then yes, it would apply. That is obviously not the case here. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:39, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Hmm. I just realised that "Fon" could have stood for "Faculty of Nursing". You see, Fon is actually also a very common female nickname in Thai, and that's how I first interpreted the name. In this case you're probably right. --Paul_012 (talk) 17:44, 1 July 2017 (UTC) @Paul 012: I'm glad the light dawned. That's exactly how I interpreted it. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:45, 1 July 2017 (UTC) Japan Pharmaceutical Association draft Hi nihonjoe, I hope all is well with you. I've been trying to get the draft article of the Japan Pharmaceutical Association moved to the mainspace by have run into trouble with the reviewer. We had an ongoing dialogue about the page and without notice they deleted the conversation from their user talk page. When I raised the issue again, they deleted that conversation also and pinged me on a thread they created on the talk page of the draft article. That thread contained nothing. I was going to raise the matter one last time, but when I went to their talk page their was a huge argument ensuing between them and several other AfC reviewers. It's all a bit much for me who seeks to live a quiet life... So I didn't want to bother you with too much to ask but if you get the chance, could you have a look at the Draft:Japan_Pharmaceutical_Association and add any spit and polish you think would helpful. The article is not as comprehensive as the Japan Medical Association article, but most national peak professional associations for pharmacists aren't as publicly active as medical associations. Therefore I thought it best not to labour on it just to make the article longer. However JPA has some notable members including a Nobel laureate, and the founder of Shiseido cosmetics who served as the 3rd president of the JPA. I always appreciate your help and hope this is not too much trouble. Dr.khatmando (talk) 01:50, 3 July 2017 (UTC) I can't do it right now, but should be able to within about a month. I hop that's not too long. If it is, feel free to ask people at WT:JAPAN. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 03:27, 3 July 2017 (UTC) No hurry. I will work on some of the other stuff flagged for needing some help at WP Japan for a change. Cheers, Dr.khatmando (talk) 03:36, 3 July 2017 (UTC) Please try to encourage discussion on improvements, rather than discourage it. At the time of this writing, discussion pursuant to the question of the meaning of a word in the talk page of a WP entry on the novel 1984 has been closed, with an appended note explaining that the discussion contained "nothing of value," and according to the same opinion apparently must have posed no prospect for containing anything of value. There is some irony in having to respond to this specifically with regard to an article devoted to 1984. Nonetheless, let me say that I respectfully disagree. This was no "forum discussion" as stated. No discussion was taken into the article. "Newspeak" is a term used in the novel that contains its own WP entry. A reliable answer on point (either footnoted or via passing mention, as noted) that adds anything substantive to the article's description of this term would only add to the quality of the article. As explicitly noted, discussion was pursued throughout with such an improvement in mind. I see no reason for discouraging follow-up on this topic. Please try to encourage discussion on improvements (to this article, and to others), rather than discourage it. All the best, Alfred Nemours (talk) 10:56, 11 July 2017 (UTC) Your discussion was not about improving the article. It was about satisfying your curiosity, which has nothing to do with Wikipedia, as you've been told multiple times on multiple talk pages. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 14:31, 11 July 2017 (UTC) Editing WP and responding to others on WP is not my full-time job. If others have brought criticisms to me elsewhere that have as yet gone unread and unanswered, I look forward to considering them and replying in due time. Whether you are piggybacking on whatever they might have said or are not--before raising irrelevant, ad hominem claims about others attempting to make contributions to WP, I suggest taking a moment to read and understand what they have written. You first simply disappeared a WP talk page question item and its blocks of text containing several citations without any justification except the phrase "forum discussion" without any explanation. (I would not have even noticed had I not checked back a little while after.) When that topic was restated, you seemed to understand the error, revise your view, and even suggested how a misunderstanding might be avoided in future. After further response, you attempted to close discussion altogether, adding claims about a contributor's internal motivation in posing a question despite explicit statement to the contrary. This raises the possibility once again that you haven't taken a moment to read the question posed (along a few sentences outlining some reasons for posing it, all backed up with citation and fact) before further kneejerk reaction (in this case, with summary assessments about the contributor himself, both irrelevant and totally inappropriate). Please redirect your energy from attempts at wholesale censorship, kneejerk valuations of topics, and gratuitous ad hominem comment on WP contributors to: contributions to WP elsewhere on topics that stimulate your interest. We all have unique interests. There well be many contributions to WP that neither you nor me can appreciate. It is difficult to see how anyone gains by simply trolling to call topics that may not spark your interest "of no value" when such energy might be directed to topics or WP entries that animate you. Take care, and all the best, Alfred Nemours (talk) 17:41, 12 July 2017 (UTC)