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The result was no consensus. Randykitty (talk) 12:51, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Saint Elizabeth of the Hill Country Catholic Church

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No evidence of notability for local parish, all content and sources are from their own website or the local diocese's. The best independent source I found is that priests here have abused teenages. Reywas92^Talk 22:14, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

On the abuse thing. All that I could find was a single news article, single accuser. Not follow up coverage, no indication of an investigation, arrest , trial or anything - just an accusation. Not enough info to add to the page.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:14, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - updated Navbox for Roman Catholic Diocese of Charlotte since St.Elizabeth is a member parish; added See also section. Article improvements to better integrate into Wikipedia. Tag for more footnotes and search suggestions on Talk page. JoeHebda (talk) 14:22, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- This strikes me as a NN local church. Furthermore, since service times are listed, the article would require maintenance, which it might not get. Peterkingiron (talk) 15:13, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Obviously service times should be deleted, as should any telephone numbers (not present) or post office mail box addresses etc. Assuming that is done, then I take it User:Peterkingiron's !vote should be interpreted as "Keep". :) --Doncram (talk) 01:09, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

keep that fact that St. Francis of Assisi Catholic Church (Lenoir, North Carolina) began as a mission church of Saint Elizabeth's adds notability. As does the fact that Saint's Elizabeth's operates the Church of the Epiphany as a seasonal, mission church in historic Blowing Rock, North Carolina. In addition to local sources, there is an article in a national, Jewish magazine, Moment (magazine), discussing the fact that Saint Elizabeth's lends its sanctuary every year to the local Jewish community for High Holiday services, going so far as to permanently install a Star of David in a window to make the Jewish worshippers feel more comfortable.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:25, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

In addition, there is a good deal of local coverage about the church's hosting/sponsorship of non-sacred touring musical groups and events.E.M.Gregory (talk) 11:29, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Non-notable per Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies) specifically WP:NCHURCH . The sources are mainly primary. Notability is not inherited, so referencing other churches as adding to notability, does not help. The link "The Town of Blowing Rock Celebrates 125 Years with a Birthday Party at Town Hall on March 11 at 2:30 p.m." gives passing mention to the Church of the Epiphany that is associated with the church but in another town. The Columbia University link didn't add anything as it requires logging in. The one thing of interest would be the Catholic Church sharing services once a year with the Jewish community but that does not raise the bar high enough. Without something "worthy of notice" this is would be a slippery slope that every church in the world should have an article on Wikipedia. I realize other stuff is not supposed to be a good argument but it is in fact used all the time. Otr500 (talk) 01:41, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per above in it's relation to establishing mission churches throughout Western North Carolina. Clearly culturally significant for the Catholic population in Western NC. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 02:34, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:Willthacheerleader18 An image of the charming, stone, Gothic-revival mission/summer church in Blowing Rock, North Carolina would be an excellent addition to the page ( I recall that you're in Carolina).E.M.Gregory (talk) 10:57, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Blowing Rock is a couple of hours away from where I live, but I may be able to get someone I know to find/take a picture of it. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 04:48, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per its role in establishing churches in an area where this particular denomination is not that common.--Epiphyllumlover (talk) 22:58, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:40, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

T101

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Article is about a vehicle that does not exist. LifeBeyondLiving (talk) 21:14, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - A vehicle having been put into production is not a requirement for inclusion. A planned vehicle is fine as long as it meets our notability requirements. In this case it seems the article is properly sourced and its reference is a secondary source in the form of a published book. Just because its not super significant doesn't mean the article needs to be deleted. Meszzy² (talk) 23:02, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Withdrawing in favour of deletion. See new vote below. Meszzy² (talk) 07:03, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: There is not significant coverage that a planned tank, a concept of a prototype, is worthy of notice". I would not be against merging to T29 Heavy Tank. Otr500 (talk) 02:27, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - So I decided to do my due diligence and try and find where in the book the tank is referenced, and so I went and skimmed through all 452 pages of the book (fun) looking for it, but I didn't find any mention. I may have missed it but if Otr500 also couldn't find a mention of it (see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/T99 Heavy Tank), I'm leaning towards it not being in there. Since it doesn't look like we can verify it, and as we don't seem to have other sources or mentions anywhere, I'm inclined to believe that this vehicle not only doesn't exist because it was never put into production, but quite literally just doesn't exist. Thus I'm not in favour of merging as it seems we cannot verify its existence and am switching my keep vote to a delete vote. Meszzy² (talk) 07:03, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 01:41, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

T99 Heavy Tank

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Article is about a vehicle that does not exist. LifeBeyondLiving (talk) 21:14, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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What do you mean by, "does not exist"? It can still be notable for our purposes of inclusion, even if it's just a planned vehicle. Or do you claim that the ref cited is invalid? Andy Dingley (talk) 22:20, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - A vehicle having been put into production is not a requirement for inclusion. A planned vehicle is fine as long as it meets our notability requirements. In this case it seems the article is properly sourced and its reference is a secondary source in the form of a published book. Just because its not super significant doesn't mean the article needs to be deleted. Meszzy² (talk) 23:04, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Withdrawing in favour of deletion. See new vote below. Meszzy² (talk) 07:03, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: as not notable lacking significant coverage. This appears to be a planned tank, a concept of a prototype, along the lines of the T101 and possibly a second type of project. I would not be against merging this, possibly along with T101, to T29 Heavy Tank if the tanks are actually covered in the provided source. I got tired of looking because it was lacking a page number. I struggle with there being a desire to have very short under-sourced sub-class articles when it seems they could be incorporated into a parent article giving expansion and most likely a better class. Otr500 (talk) 03:07, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - So I decided to do my due diligence and try and find where in the book the tank is referenced, and so I went and skimmed through all 452 pages of the book (fun) looking for it, but I didn't find any mention. I may have missed it but if Otr500 also couldn't find a mention of it, I'm leaning towards it not being in there. Since it doesn't look like we can verify it, and as we don't seem to have other sources or mentions anywhere, I'm inclined to believe that this vehicle not only doesn't exist because it was never put into production, but quite literally just doesn't exist. Thus I'm not in favour of merging as it seems we cannot verify its existence and am switching my keep vote to a delete vote. Meszzy² (talk) 07:03, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 06:27, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Maher Udda

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WP:BLP1E - somebody was suspected of planning suicide attacks and was arrested. No ongoing coverage, all of it coming around March 2010. Nableezy 20:53, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - not shown to be notable for stand alone article. Agree, WP:BLP1E. Kierzek (talk) 21:21, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Subject is a tad more notable than presented - he was supposedly the Hamas commander of the entire Ramallah area (a bit higher up on the totem pole than just planning attacks), and was wanted for quite some time - e.g. per YNET in 2004 - he was wanted back in 2004. The circumstances of his arrest (e.g. whether he was handed in by Fatah) are also the subject of some inner-Palestinian acrimony. I interwiki linked to the Arabic wiki entry, and added the Arabic "ماهر عودة" and Hebrew "מאהר עודה" forms of his names - as most of the coverage here is in Hebrew and Arabic. Icewhiz (talk) 23:19, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The entirety of the coverage in that page is this single sentence:

The members of the infrastructure: Ibrahim Hamed and Maher Odeh are both at the head of the infrastructure, both of whom are wanted.

I dont see how that satisfies WP:N. nableezy - 15:51, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I did not assert that it did. I did provide pointers for searching in Hebrew and Arabic (English coverage of this topic being scant. He does have an Arabic wiki entry) - archive access may be required. He was allegedly the Hamas Ramallah area commander for a decade (including Intifada2 - 2000-2010).Icewhiz (talk) 16:07, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Arabic Wikipedia's article for him has 3 sources, all dated March 14 or 15 of 2010 (and two of them are in English). nableezy - 18:05, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete unless recent information indicating notability is found. Being arrested and suspected only puts him in the same category as thousands of others. Was he charged? Found guilty? Imprisoned without trial (the most likely)? Zero^talk 04:37, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:45, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Joseph S. Johnston

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Fails WP:NPOL/WP:JUDGE. Never served on a federal or statewide court. Reads like campaign literature as well. GPL93 (talk) 20:47, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a non-notable local judge.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:30, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete don't see evidence of notability here. BubbaJoe123456 (talk) 15:43, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 06:28, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Operation 786

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No indication of notability. There is one article in Nai Baat that may or may not be a reliable source and which summarizes the plot, some translations of that article into English, and some trivial or unreliable sources. That's not enough for an encyclopedia article. This appears to be someone's home-made pet project, not a notable film. Huon (talk) 18:24, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Kindly explain how the article is nominated for deletion? It has references from news & media, but someone put the deletion reference. Kindly check & remove this tag. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MemonBhai (talk • contribs) 11:09, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I see a bunch of sources discussing the film. Seems to have been on the festival circuit. Legacypac (talk) 15:15, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hello i have added references of many website but you have selected nai baat lemme tell you nai baat is a newspaper & its tv channel is neo news so can you deny? I've added reference from hamari web https://enews.hamariweb.com/entertainment/praising-pakistan-army-by-animated-film-operation-786/

it is showing in google news but you are not talking about this. Also I've added beam.pk , video street & others.

Kindly don't insult by having saying that its home project etc as this project is shown in government places & featured in government websites & newspapers.

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Delete per nom – I regret that I do not read Urdu, but have failed to find any coverage in the languages that I do read. One blog-source hit on Gnews, no verifiable hits on Gbooks. Legacypac, you say that you found sources, but I don't see that you have added them to the page. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 22:21, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I was just commenting on the sources already attached to the article. Legacypac (talk) 22:32, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dear editors The references are in english & urdu & i think thats enough to show that movie is notable & if not kindly tell me why this film wikipedia is still live? It has no news in google & only one reference & else are wordpress reference then why this page was approved? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buz-e-Chini

My article has references of hamariweb, nai baat, hum sub, beam & various & all are notable.

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As you said film is not showing on Google Books how films can be shown in Gbooks? Its an animated film not GBooks if its Wikipedia policy that film should come in Gbooks then I'm sorry you need to delete thousands of articles now because i investigate all before writing. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MemonBhai (talk • contribs) 09:10, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comments: The tone of the article is possibly a confusion of translation but "showing positive image of Pakistan", "in which innocent peoples martyred", and "film is showing positive image (Beauty Of Pakistan)" includes words of bias that is counter to WP:NPOV. I do not know the usual proper foreign wording but innocent people are killed or murdered as the unsourced "martyred" advances "a person who is put to death or endures great suffering on behalf of any belief, principle, or cause". Otr500 (talk) 04:09, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Per unsigned comments of User:MemonBhai, "this project is shown in government places & featured in government websites & newspapers" as evidence of propaganda. Otr500 (talk) 04:19, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Randykitty (talk) 12:53, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Commitment (EP)

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Can find no evidence that this album received significant and reliable coverage, with only the usual retail/streaming and self-promotional sites to be found. There is a bare AllMusic entry but no review. Note that the rapper's following album "The Commitment 2" got a few pro reviews that are likely to come up in a search for this earlier album. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 20:23, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The man himself has 28m plays on Spotify, so I think his music is notable. Solid Keep. scope_creep^Talk 20:52, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You just argued that the guy is notable, which has not been disputed. This discussion is about one particular album. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 16:54, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Scope_creep, I was going to leave you a message to explain what notability means on Wikipedia, but I see you have 44k edits. Perhaps you aren't terribly active at AfD (can't say I'd blame you), but Spotify plays, Youtube plays, followers, subscribers, etc. don't factor into determinations of notability at all. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 13:54, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Certain tracks on this album were topic of much discussion in the UK rap scene. biggest song on the album is Stereotype. Notable songs include Gipset Flow which has amassed half a million views on YouTube and a feature from Def Jam Recordings artist Konan. No Way was another big track which featured Donae'o. Here's an article on the artist when he released the album by Link Up TV, the largest news outlet for UK Rap music. TwinTurbo (talk) 22:31, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete / Redirect to the main Cadet page. I can't find any in-depth coverage at all about this subject. There are a few sentences in articles about him (obituaries, mostly, sadly), but nothing about this album beyond that. We need a few solid reviews in reliable, independent publications for a stand-alone article. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 13:51, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and then redirect to the artist's page. No in-depth coverage of this particular piece of music, meets neither WP:GNG or WP:NALBUM. Neither of the keep !votes is based on actual policy.Onel5969 ^{TT me} 15:28, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The artist has proved himself via Youtube views and also the media as outlined by TwinTurbo and scope_creep. Thus, my view is to keep it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by FakeMaknae (talk • contribs) 17:37, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Another vote based on the musician and not the album, and with an incorrect reading of notability policies. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (Talk|Contribs) 13:58, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The songs on this album definitely meet 1. 6. 7. of WP:NALBUM. Another reliable source here by a major radio station which I will add to the page. TwinTurbo (talk) 16:33, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:43, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Aim Sovannarath

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Recreation of an article previously deleted by PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. This remains valid. Sir Sputnik (talk) 19:38, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - SW has him playing one game in the AFC President's Cup in 2014, and otherwise playing in a non-WP:FPL league. There is no significant coverage to meet WP:GNG. Search results return routine game reports and a brief mention about a fine for brawling. Leviv ich 19:28, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 07:37, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 11:40, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

PureVPN

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I can't see how this ill-written bit of corporate spam meets our notability requirements for companies. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:16, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The text seems neutral and the references seem adequate. The fact that an article describes a commercial service does not make it spam. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 19:57, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I hate it when people nominate an article for deletion and then contest every keep reason, however reasonable – so I try to avoid doing it myself. I'm going to make an exception here: Eastmain, would you care to address the rationale for deletion, that the page does not meet our notability requirements for companies? Thank you, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 23:19, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The in-depth reviews by reliable sources such as MacUpdate and PCMAG establish notability. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 01:51, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:MILL and WP:NOTDIR. There is nothing about this company or their article, beyond the basic concept of a VPN, that is at all either technically significant, commercially significant or WP:Notable. Andy Dingley (talk) 20:14, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per Eastmain, the references establish notability. Mosaicberry (talk) 22:51, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It initially twiggesd my mind ... PureVPN ... I think I've heard of that before (but I could equally be mixed up with something else). It seems to have large market share and has sustained but the choices for the reception section may not be neutral (and they were sloppy, no access date, not archived, url's swapped, one probably non neutral, not sure if the other (CNET) had actually reviewed from using the product rather than taking info from the website). Other reviews techradar 2018, PCmag 2018 comparitech, The Best VPN (2019) (possibly not RS and possibly negative POV) perhaps paint a more balanced picture. So it seems there are about 78 VPN products and we not would expect a wikipedia article for each. That said PureVPN has WP:SUSTAINED, has about 2000 VPN servers (About 3rd or 4th here), and is headquartered in Asia so an article may well be warranted. But it really needs to be beefed with a few more details and WP:NPOV probably needs to be tagged or to be sorted.Djm-leighpark (talk) 12:37, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So if I'm the world's third or fourth busiest cat shampooer and pig polisher, that passes WP:N? Is this a bye to WP:NOTDIR for the biggest? The biggest three? The biggest seven? Andy Dingley (talk) 13:06, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'd say there's a number of factors that count ... but in general bigger is better ... however smaller and innovative qualifies also. What I am sure of is a smaller VPN with a low value article is definitely to be let go. To a degree linux distro's are kind of on the similar basis. I'm currently more concerned about WP:NPOV if this gets kept which it may well do. An enhanced article on this would probably be well worth keeping due to sustained history and various impplications.Djm-leighpark (talk) 13:53, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Linux distros generally vary in some technical manner, which is at least "encyclopedic", even if not primarily WP:Notable by the necessarily rather arbitrary local rules. We do sometimes lose track of being an encyclopedia (it explains things that are complicated) and become too much of a directory of the "otherwise significant", despite WP:NOTDIR. Andy Dingley (talk) 22:31, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a VPN geek, but there do appear to be differences in Capabilities etc. And choice of VPN may be important for peoples in Asia / Russia where censorship and Privacy may be an issue. As PureVPN is based from Hong Kong (People's Republic of China) that may have implications long term. Does this article link into these things .... currently no. Could it ... perhaps .... All a bit of a pig really. Djm-leighpark (talk) 23:19, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Delete - Remove from the list of sources all of those that make money from that review and we do not have something that meets WP:CORPDEPTH. Explore the links a little more -- they're affiliate links. That's part of why VPNs and other similar services get so many reviews -- it's not just consumer interest; it's kickbacks. Could they still be neutral reviews? Sure, but how can we tell? If there's an affiliate link in there, I don't think we can consider it independent. Eastmain above specifically referenced MacUpdate and PCMAG. MacUpdate is... far, far, far from acceptable. Far from an "in-depth review from a reliable source," It's basically a copy/pasted list of features from the company itself. PCMag has, bigger than everything else at the top, the logo and three affiliate links. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 13:29, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete It is an entirely generic business listing, not notable in any manner. scope_creep^Talk 22:05, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:MILL. Thanks Rhododendrites for the excellent expose of the poor quality sources. ☆ Bri (talk) 01:19, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Added after reading more votes: Agree 100% with Andy's comments about "cat shampooer and pig polisher"s, and Pavlor's comment "looks like a cheap ad" (even though the latter voted the other way). ☆ Bri (talk) 23:03, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources.
1. Poladian, Charles (2018-09-06). "PureVPN review: Even limited Netflix access can't save this buggy VPN". Mashable. Archived from the original on 2019-04-22. Retrieved 2019-04-22.
  The article contains a list of criticisms about PureVPN in sections titled "Waiting for a connection", "Not so fast", "Netflix works (sort of)", and "privacy concerns".
2. Eddy, Max (2017-10-11). "Did PureVPN Cross a Line When It Disclosed User Information? When a VPN hands over user data on a creep, there's a freak out". PC Magazine. Archived from the original on 2019-04-22. Retrieved 2019-04-22.
  This article contains commentary about whether PureVPN crossed the line when it gave user data to the FBI. Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies)#Significant coverage notes that "deep coverage" provides "commentary" of the company.
3. Nadel, Brian (2017-10-10). "PureVPN Review: Looks Good, Acts Bad". Tom's Guide. Purch Group. Retrieved 2019-04-22.
  The article contains a negative review of PureVPN, noting:
  Of the VPN services we've reviewed, PureVPN has the largest choice of connection locations, but it doesn't always deliver the data. Despite having widely distributed servers and excellent software, PureVPN delivered far from top-rank performance, and a recently disclosed criminal case makes us wonder how willing PureVPN is to protect customer privacy. Overall, we prefer Private Internet Access.
4. Paul, Ian (2017-08-25). "PureVPN review: It works well if you don't mind virtual server locations. PureVPN is a Hong Kong-based VPN that's recently been criticized for using virtual server locations". PC World. Archived from the original on 2019-04-22. Retrieved 2019-04-22.
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow PureVPN to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
Cunard (talk) 08:29, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Some of the articles such as https://www.pcworld.com/article/3219730/purevpn-vpn-review.html contain Google Ads including those from PureVPN to make money from users accessing their content. I do not think these links make the articles unreliable or non-independent because these ads are selected by Google without input from PureVPN.
I do not consider affiliate links to make a source non-independent. The PCMag article linked by Eastmain (which is different from the one I am linking) notes: "PCMag reviews products independently, but we may earn affiliate commissions from buying links on this page. Terms of use." The PCMag.com Mission Statement notes: "Editorial reviews and conclusions are crafted without any personal, advertising, marketing or other business considerations."
The negative coverage about PureVPN's slowness, usage of virtual locations, and user privacy concerns clearly demonstrates that it is being critically reviewed and commented on by publications without consideration to revenue from affiliate links.
Cunard (talk) 08:29, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on sources - Literally all of the sources above are to reviews (or, in one case, an "opinions" page linking to a review) based on affiliate links. Of course all of the publications talk about being independent. For the sake of argument, let's even give them the benefit of the doubt and say that, against odds, they take a perfectly neutral approach to the review. That doesn't change the fact that the opportunity to build in affiliate links provides motivation for the very initiation of such a review. In other words, while their independence may lead them to review it honestly, that they're reviewing it at all (the most important thing for notability) is tainted by the great likelihood of ulterior motives. It's why VPNs have such an easy time getting so many reviews. Frankly, Cunard, I don't know why you're using your considerable source-finding talents to save an article about something where the most interesting thing we can say about it is "it's subpar." Reaffirming this as a definite delete. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 12:34, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I am supporting retention because PureVPN has received significant coverage in reliable sources, and I do not think affiliate links make the sources non-independent or unusable for notability given that they have provided plenty of negative coverage about the subject. Software review publications like PC Magazine and PC World also have print editions that do not have affiliate links. Software review sites in general have affiliate links because that helps them generate revenue. If they were all excluded, then nearly all reputable review sites would be unusable for establishing notability.
Why am I supporting retention? I believe there is value to the readers in providing an article that summarizes sources explaining how PureVPN is subpar.
Cunard (talk) 15:43, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

But no version of this article, either now or when it was rather longer at the start of April, has "explained how PureVPN is subpar". Instead it has all been anodyne corporate woffle. Andy Dingley (talk) 08:28, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article is capable of improvement, it may have been subject to sabotage by a COI editor, when I used a Wikipedia Geolocate from ANI on an IP address that was the VPN offering that caame up as an advertisement (which actually to me immediately means I will always avoid it!). Wish I had more time to tackle it. Thankyou.Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:31, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This article reads like an advertisement, and any references go to reviews, not sources that indicate it is a particularly notable VPN. Having used PureVPN in the past, I can't say I found it particularly different than other VPNs, so I don't think this article has much potential to begin referencing something notable unless something changes about PureVPN. Balon Greyjoy (talk) 12:38, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I will review these sources later, but judging by headlines posted by Cunard, these could support notability quite well. Unlike editors above, I find good reviews as an excellent source for software/hardware related Wikipedia articles. However, these sources should be really used in the article, it looks like a cheap ad otherwise (boasting how this VPN is good, when sources have other POV...). Pavlor (talk) 13:01, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mashable, Tom's Guide, PC Magazine, PC World are good sources showing notability of this product/service. Sources like The Inquirer are pure garbage (written by the company itself...) and should have no place in the article (at least not without proper attribution). If anybody improves (balances) the article by writing anew the entire reception section, I will gladly "vote" keep. However, I will not touch an article created and refbombed as a vehicle for promotion - too new and fresh for my taste (I may change my mind and TNT it myself, if the article is kept). Pavlor (talk) 20:30, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Silly second vote deleted ☆ Bri (talk) 18:00, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Bri: Heads up: you've already !voted above. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 22:14, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Call me stupid ... I had not looked carefully at this article ... but the history simply doesn't look consistent. It looks as though the page was recreated on 5 April 2019 and perhaps other history added. There's no sign of the talk page which was deleted in November 2018. I might perform a rescue (and I've really tried to stay away from this one) but I want a clear picture of what has happened. Otherwise this might be off to DRV.Djm-leighpark (talk) 18:38, 26 April 2019 (UTC) OK I found a history....[reply]

18:41, 5 April 2019 Justlettersandnumbers (talk | contribs) restored page PureVPN (92 revisions) (restore earlier history) (thank)
09:00, 21 December 2018 Jimfbleak (talk | contribs) deleted page PureVPN (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion (TW)) (thank)
13:07, 8 February 2017 Deb (talk | contribs) deleted page PureVPN (Multiple reasons: speedy deletion criteria A7, G11) (thank)

@Justlettersandnumbers ... Can you give an expanded explanation of how this came here and why the talk page was not restored. I apologise I am not on a device I can collate a lot of stuff in one go? Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 18:41, 26 April 2019 (UTC) Also as far as I can tell Marialinda94 was not informed of the AfD ? Djm-leighpark (talk) 18:54, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thankyou Justlettersandnumbers for rematerializing the talk page. I can now put a NPOV on the article which I should have done weeks ago .... Djm-leighpark (talk) 19:14, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) All of that is correct, Djm-leighpark. It was created, tagged and deleted on 8 February 2017, created again within an hour or so by an obvious UPE editor, deleted as G11 on 21 December 2018, re-created on 5 April 2019. I undeleted the previous history to make it visible; I didn't undelete the previous history of the talk-page as there wasn't one, but have now done so – I'm afraid it adds nothing much to this discussion. The whole history of the article is visible to all, there are no deleted edits. If you have other questions, fire away! Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:33, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Good point – the notification went to Mehmood Hanif. Now remedied. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 19:49, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I just didn't get all this from your nomination and this has influenced my discussions and I am now feeling a right plonker. At this point I want a relist for due to the irregularities. If closer wishes a keep thats fair enough and if a delete I want a userfication so its me who reworks this back into mainspace ... because it doubtless will be re-appearing one way or another and I'd prefer to neutralize the article (my workload is stacking ...) with its history or it will reappear as PureVPN (software) or something. Thankyou. Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:21, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - FYI it seems like there's some disagreement about the extent to which kickbacks via affiliate links should affect our evaluation of the reliability of a source. As such, I've opened a thread at RSN here: Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard#Reliability_of_sources_that_put_affiliate_links_in_their_reviews. I've not linked in the other direction just to err on the side of caution since I've !voted here. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 22:14, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment There is spreadsheet doing the rounds at the moment which contains roughly the details of 300-500 odd VPN providers and reflects almost exactly what the trade magazines are reporting. Reams and reams of VPN's providers have appeared in the last 10 years and they are the most part, entirely generic. The sources offered by Cunard are generic. They are mix non-RS review's and run of the mill trade affiliate news failing WP:ORGIND and WP:CORPDEPTH. scope_creep^Talk 00:02, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I admit I´m a little bit puzzled here. Which of the sources Cunard posted are non-RS reviews and which are run of the mill trade affiliate news? I thought webpages in question have editorial oversight, so may qualify as a RS. Pavlor (talk) 06:30, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Pavlor:} References 1,2 and 4 are reviews. There are always for the most part done by one person. Occasionally, e.g if it a camera, the body will be reviewed by a one person and specialist outfit with the lens, e.g the dxo mark outfit. This is not like that. So for almost all reviews and that is majority are done by one person, which means they are subjective and are non-RS. The last reference originally appeared in The Register, a British outfit. So it is affiliate news. VPN companies are for the most part generic. You can set one up yourself fairly easily and there is not much difference between them. every one of them is using the same four protocols. A large number of them are good, a large number of them are bad. Many hundreds don't keep logs, many hundreds do. The only differentiator is generally how good their support and using real server locations. So there is not much to differentiate them. We should keep the biggest and the best, but for the most part this one is neither. c^Talk 07:53, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@scope_creep from memory of a reference I understand this to be one of the bigger and most sustained ones ... however I would be concerned about best given from appear to be hands on reviews, which is why I've POV'd it. Who would you regard as the bigger ones. There's also appears to be some geographically local popular niche ones, Gom VPN for example. I'd really like this discused at project level I think rather than a drip feed.08:12, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

Your point about reviews is a nonsense. For us, most important is, if the page in question has regular staff, how rigorous is its editorial policy and how perceived is by other sources we consider reliable. We certainly should not care, if subject of the article is the biggest and the best or not, only its coverage in reliable sources matters. We must ask: Are the sources mentioned by Cunard reliable? The answer is yes. Is the coverage broad enough to establish notability of the article subject? This is the very point we should discuss, not some artificial "policy" about VPNs. Pavlor (talk) 10:18, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Due to concerns expressed with regards to retention for articles of this class of product I raised a discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Computing#Retention of VPN Products. Thankyou.
Delete. Most of the references are to industry-specific publications, so fail WP:AUD. The article itself if just a listing of trivia factoids. For example, "Manual setup installation guides are available on its official Support platform". If somebody felt the need to mention that in an encyclopedia article, that's an indication of just how little there is to say. Most of the rest of the article is generic descriptions common to all VPNs. There's a VPN that provides end-to-end encryption? Really? -- RoySmith (talk) 10:59, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:41, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Namrata Sapkota

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Was deleted via AFD discussion in 2016. THEFlint Shrubwood (talk) 18:55, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Article reads more like a promotional biography than anything else.TH1980 (talk) 04:09, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:BEFORE doesn't reveal any more sources to establish notability, and the article is mostly promotional in tone. --DannyS712 (talk) 21:33, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:40, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Billy L. Sullivan

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The article lacks any reliable sources. IMDb is neither reliable nor any way to differenciate those who have roles from notable roles. A search for additional sources showed up nothing either. John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:46, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Doesn't seem to have any real media coverage meaning a complete lack of secondary sources. Delete per WP:GNG and WP:BASIC. Meszzy² (talk) 23:23, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:40, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Inside Out Film and Video Festival

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Article currently has no references. A Google News search turns up only 4 hits, only one of which discusses the festival in any depth (the article at Toronto.com discuses the festival's films, which verifies that it does indeed exist, but if the festival were notable, why aren't there more sources on it?). There doesn't seem to be any published material to support any of the extensive claims made in the article. Without more published reliable secondary verifiable sourcing, this looks like it doesn't meet WP:GNG. A loose necktie (talk) 17:37, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Yes, this does need additional references — but it's just an old article that was written to old content and sourcing standards, and hasn't been actively improved lately. For a film festival that's been around since 1991, however, a cursory Google News search is not going to be the be-all and end-all of whether or not the referencing exists to repair it with — Google News will only find references published within the last year or two, and will not find anything older, so one also needs to search archival news databases like ProQuest or newspapers.com, as well as books. Google News also does not scrape sources like Playback or the Canadian Journal of Film Studies, both of which have very definitely written about this. And on top of that, even on a Google News search itself, I'm finding a lot more than just four sources — I'm betting that nominator just searched on the exact phrase "Inside Out Film and Video Festival", and didn't try alternate search terms to see if sources like this and this and this wrote about it without actually using its full official name. Four sources? No: fifteen sources and counting, and I ain't even done upgrading it yet. Bearcat (talk) 19:18, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep WP:HEY upgrade from Bearcat shows a clear pass of WP:GNG. Thanks for putting in the work to improve the article. Bakazaka (talk) 04:22, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per HEY from Bearcat, clear notability. Nosebagbear (talk) 21:59, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Consensus for keep. Evidence provided shows that Donald C. Chang‎ has a high h-index and passes WP:NPROF. (non-admin closure) scope_creep^Talk 10:52, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Donald C. Chang

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Fails WP:NPROF. [1] Possible non notable. Unable to verify via GScholar. scope_creep^Talk 17:27, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment The article as written was mostly a copyvio of this page (many academic biographies suffer the problem that there are only so many ways to list the same dry facts, but this was particularly unmodified, down to typos). However, the statements in that biography might add up to a pass of WP:PROF#C3, WP:PROF#C5 and/or WP:PROF#C6, and manually adding up his h-index on the Web of Science gives 34, which is not at all bad for WP:PROF#C1. XOR'easter (talk) 17:46, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Probably meets WP:PROF#C5. However, I have some reason to suspect that User:Littleflyingdog is none other than Prof. Chang himself, based on his activity on Wikipedia/Commons as well as that of a user of the same name on the Chinese site Douban. Timmyshin (talk) 03:32, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I am really getting to know the concerns/rules here. By the way, Timmyshin, thanks for your suspicion; I really wish I were a professor~ --Littleflyingdog (talk) 08:28, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Response

Thanks for alerting me that this article really needs further improvement. In response to above comments (Fails WP:NPROF ), I have wrote more contents on the details and significance of Donald C. Chang's pioneer work in spin-echo NMR in detecting cancer and contribution in electroporation and electrofusion. These are influential works at that time. Please take a look if you have time. Of course continuous improvement of this article is needed by different editors (including me). I will try to enrich it further when I have time.

A more specific response to scope_creep's criticism about "Unable to verify via GScholar". It looks that Donald C. Chang did not create a personal profile in the Google Scholar, but if you simply search his name in Google Scholar, you can find many pages of his publication, which should be enough for verification purpose. By the way, a very popular tool for academics to share publications and networking is ResearchGate. He has a score of 39.43, which can serve as a verification if it is needed. --Littleflyingdog (talk) 12:28, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The expanded version also appears to be a copyright violation. XOR'easter (talk) 16:24, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'm going to close this. Three effective keep statements and good evidence of a high h-index. scope_creep^Talk 10:50, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Afd Withdrawn Good evidence of notability. scope_creep^Talk 10:50, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 00:22, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Page of the Presence

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Minor positions in the British royal household. Unsourced and of no apparent notability. If sourceable, possiby merge to Royal Households of the United Kingdom. Sandstein 16:19, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. There is a couple of pages in Sketches of her majesty's household (1848) but that's about all I could find besides passing mentions. Even that does not discuss the actual role very much; it's more about pay and promotion. Royal Households of the United Kingdom doesn't strike me as a practical merge target, that article is organised by specific royal households, and has little to say on the roles other than the very senior ones. A "list of minor characters" type article is what is needed for a merge target. SpinningSpark 18:00, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I think a broader article such as Positions in the British Royal Household or even just British Royal Household would be helpful - at least better than the current plethora of unsourced ministubs. WP:V mandates deletion if contested content cannot be sourced - and nobody here has been able to source this content. Sandstein 21:11, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Most positions in the Royal Household are notable. See Category:Positions within the British Royal Household. -- Necrothesp (talk) 15:21, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- You might want to provide some evidence for this position if you want your opinion to count per WP:OTHERSTUFF. SpinningSpark 17:03, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - My point is, why single out this particular post when there are articles on all of them? That makes no sense and is not helpful. -- Necrothesp (talk) 09:11, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - There's nothing here to retain as there are no sources. We don't keep original research on subjects, even if there's other similar stuff that's been notable in the past. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 22:14, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Lack of references does not equal original research. A common misconception. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:01, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment develop the article and then I will circle back Lubbad85 (☎) 03:04, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment There are several articles relating to similar positions (Page of the Backstairs and Page of Honour for example) and while this article is clearly not sourced well, I think it needs some work before being nominated for deletion. I will spend some time looking for primary sources on this subject, as it seems potentially noteworthy. Skirts⁸⁹ 13:01, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Both articles are unsourced stubs and are comprised entirely of OR. There is no demonstration that either topic passes WP:GNG as there is no sustained WP:SIGCOV of either group of employees or what they do. That there might be more such articles elsewhere is not an argument against deletion, but a weak cop out to save OR stubs some evidently like. And no, I didn't count that useless Independent citation as a source, as it tells us nothing of value. Newshunter12 (talk) 05:09, 28 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 06:30, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kaveh Afagh

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I accepted this marginal draft at AfC. The supposed author, Sahar410, has contacted me and requested deletion because their account was taken over by someone...

I just succeeded to return my wiki account to myself recently that he hacked. Additionally, based on Wikipedia rules, this page can not be verified. There are no sources that confirm the testimony and indicate reputation. The links are all Persian He is also not an actress and not a famous singer in Iran. I ask you to delete this page please: Based on Wikipedia : Notability (music) , the notability is not valid , Also based on Wikipedia: Proof, Wikipedia: Referrals : this article not referenced to reliable sources and can not be verified, & also based on Wikipedia: the removal policy, this article is eligible for removal.

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Keep. I asked a Persian friend about him. My friend know him and says he is famous in Persian community. Also, he verified some of the sources in Persian. I feel based on this he is notable enough to have a page. First source was in English and I verified and he is also on IMDB. However, a few sources do not load are dead links and need more research to see why. Peter303x (talk) 18:15, 26 March 2019 (UTC) 20241226083735[reply]

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Delete: He is not notable based on WP:MUSICBIO.Hispring (talk) 12:58, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I will admit the article could be more organized and developed but in terms of notability I think that is established through WP:ANYBIO and WP:MUSICBIO but not apparent unless you read the article and citations thoroughly. Kaveh Afagh has won awards but more importantly he was "first rock singer in post-Islamic Revolution Iran to obtain an activity license" this in the context of the kind of nation Iran is I feel is a big deal and along with his awards and his other works makes him notable by both WP:MUSICBIO and WP:ANYBIO.Chaos2order (talk) 07:23, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as the nominator was correct in publishing at AFD as the notability is established and the creator account concerned has done almost nothing except create this article so the hacking claims seem suspicious to me Atlantic306 (talk) 21:12, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 06:30, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jon Vlachogiannis

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Currently serves only to promote subject. References 7,10,3 and probably others make no mention of subject. One other ref makes mention of his startup Bugsense.

Fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Lapablo (talk) 10:04, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect' to Bugsense (or vice-versa). DGG ( talk ) 04:40, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Clearly a promotional piece, and no trace of substantial coverage on him. I don't vote for "redirection" because I have doubts that his company is notable (perhaps its article must be deleted it as well). ——Chalk19 (talk) 20:53, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:38, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Government Secret Code

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Unreferenced mishmash that isn't notable. Google pulls up nothing. –eggofreason^{(talk · contribs)} 15:13, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete since it fails Wikipedia's notability guidelines. Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 15:53, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. _signed,Rosguill ^talk 20:36, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete WP:BEFORE doesn't show any evidence of significant coverage. If Goranco Petrovski existed I would say redirect, but since it doesn't I'm going with weak delete. --DannyS712 (talk) 21:36, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Paladin Group. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 20:00, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Paladin mercenary group

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Same as Paladin Group—No articles named Paladin mercenary group. –eggofreason^{(talk · contribs)} 15:03, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect. Previously a redirect to Paladin Group, which has just been moved to Paladin Group (fascist private military contractor) and then converted to a disambiguation page. So we currently have to identical dab pages for very similar terms. I suggest reverting to the Paladin Group redirect, pending possible changes to that page. Can't see any reason to delete outright - Paladin mercenary group doesn't have to be an exact match for anything, just a reasonable thing for people to be looking for. Lithopsian (talk) 16:51, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect, and with changes as proposed by Lithopsian. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 19:03, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The author of the one "keep" opinion is now blocked. Sandstein 06:31, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Norman Goodhead

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Article about a person notable only as a mayor of a suburban township, not reliably sourced as having enough media coverage to clear WP:NPOL #2: the only reference present here at all is a single obituary upon his death. As always, the notability test for municipal politicians (even mayors) is not simply the ability to single-source the fact that they existed; it is the ability to write and source a genuinely substantive article about their political impact, and the idea that a mayor whose article isn't doing that still gets an automatic inclusion freebie anyway, just because the town or city eventually surpassed an arbitrary population cutoff, was deprecated years ago as no longer applicable to mayoral notability anymore. Bearcat (talk) 18:42, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete a non-notable local politician.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:16, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. But could be borderline notable. I did a search and found some additional references. I think should kept but needs improvements.--AfPEN (talk) 09:21, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's not enough to just say you found some additional references, because (a) anybody could say that about literally any article topic, including total hoaxes, if all they had to do was say it, and (b) not every possible source is a good one. If you expect the existence of other sources to turn the tide in an AFD discussion, you have to show the sources you found, preferably by actually adding them to the article itself but at least by listing some of them here, so that participants can actually evaluate how much difference they do or don't make. Bearcat (talk) 16:43, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User blocked for undisclosed paid advocacy. MER-C 09:24, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:38, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Integrejection

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Recently-introduced neologism with no uptake yet. User also has a history of adding works by the coiner to other articles. ... discospinster _talk 14:07, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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delete not every day one gets no GHits on a word. Obviously a coinage with no traction. Mangoe (talk) 19:14, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:NOTNEO, no sources of any kind found. Sam Sailor 10:44, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete possibly speedy - I see no indication that this isn't anything more than a hoax. Praxidicae (talk) 14:53, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Kozhikode. Spartaz ^Humbug! 11:01, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Football in Kozhikode

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Hello, I'm Agaba Perez, I tagged the page for deletion because it meets criteria for deletion as it cites no sources. Your suggestions on the matter are welcome. Agaba Perez (talk) 05:16, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep with Merge: Merge to Kozhikode as per context and short text in WP:MERGEREASON.--PATH SLOPU 08:55, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with redirect per Path slopu and WP:PAGEDECIDE. I agree with the nom that this article doesn't meet the criteria for a stand-alone article and sourcing is lacking, and I also agree with Path that the content that's here should be merged, and a redirect can be left behind. Leviv ich 16:01, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge as per the above -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 20:28, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - nothing worth merging. Giant Snowman 07:52, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Sorry but merge seems a bit pointless to me, Kozhikode needs a section on Sports in the city where the teams noted here are noted there. Football in Kozhikode might be a valid search term, possibly a redirect would work, but as of right now, there is no point in the article to redirect too. Govvy (talk) 12:28, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per Path slopu and Govvy, this can be included in Kozhikode's sports section, whether it's currently extant or not. SportingFlyer T·C 23:56, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:37, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hriday Kapowa Gaan

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As far as I can tell this film hasn't received any of the necessary coverage to meet WP:NFILM Praxidicae (talk) 17:45, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as a promotional entry designed to sell music going by the sales-sites references which are not at all reliable Atlantic306 (talk) 21:34, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The movie in the article has a IMDb title also, so i think it should not be deleted. And the sales-sites references are only used to cite that the singer and music composer name is true in the article,not for any kind of promotion Akashjyotinath 15:13, 31 March 2019

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Delete I suspect another undisclosed WP:PAID effort by the author of Jayanta Nath and Jayanta Nath filmography. This article includes how Jayanta Nath composed the music and directed the film. Can't find sources to improve this either, so send it to the bin. Dreamy Jazz 🎷 ^{talk to me | my contributions} 09:01, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:35, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

GmailFS

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Lack of significant coverage in third party sources. There's a little here and there but I don't see significant coverage from multiple sources. - Samuel Wiki (talk) 13:05, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I found a number of discussions on different web forums and blogs, but no significant coverage from independent sources to establish notability --DannyS712 (talk) 21:41, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I have checked the previous AfD nomination and visited the links presented in "keeps". They aren't reliable. Further Google search returned around 11,000 results which most appears to be unreliable, too; therefore, there is no significant coverage on the topic and fails WP:GNG. --Hiwilms (talk) 10:13, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Brecon and Radnorshire (UK Parliament constituency). Sandstein 06:33, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

2019 Brecon and Radnorshire recall petition

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For whatever reason, no recall petition has been advanced here despite it being several days since the conviction (plausible there could be some sort of reporting embargo on some delaying criminal process). WP:CRYSTALBALL - there shouldn't be an article on an anticipated future event. LukeSurl^{t c} 13:01, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Of course if/when the recall petition is advanced, this nomination should be rescinded. --LukeSurl^{t c} 13:06, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think the petition process is waiting for sentencing (at an unknown future date). However, Davies could in the meantime vacate the seat voluntarily, or a general election could be called, which would mean no recall petition would happen. --LukeSurl^{t c} 13:13, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Creator of article Happy for this to be redirected to the constituency article until such time as a petition is started, if one ever is 19:33, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

That seems reasonable. LukeSurl^{t c} 03:46, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:35, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails to meet WP:BIO. There are plenty of mentions of the subject, but I am unable to find any substantial independent coverage in reliable sources. SmartSE (talk) 12:59, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Articles like this are the result of probable paid editing for essentially non-notable individuals seeking to raise their public profile. ☆ Bri (talk) 01:41, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete no significant coverage. Natureium (talk) 15:04, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete. WP:REFUND applies. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:35, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Fails WP:NPROF. Low h-index. Would expect it to be higher. Could pass by coverage. FRCS (Glasgow) scope_creep^Talk 12:10, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Stan Lee's Superhumans#Season Two (2011–2013). Sandstein 07:23, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ram Barkai

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This page appears to be self promotion, written by the subject of the page (note most entries are by RBarkai or Ram Barkai) and with dubious sources (either linking to websites run by Ram Barkai, broken links or non-existent Google documents Randall Peltzer (talk) 21:14, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. The article is purely self-promotional. Mccapra (talk) 06:49, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete wikipedia is not a personal blog. Hispring (talk) 13:04, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Promotional tone, and lack of reliable third party sources. QueerEcofeminist^{"cite! even if you fight"!!!} [they/them/their] 15:51, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: per nom. Ceethekreator (talk) 14:50, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - promotional article only. ___CAPTAIN MEDUSAtalk 20:35, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Is a bona fide world record holder.[2] Has broad coverage in RS.[3] Per Wikipedia:Notability (sports): sports figures are likely to meet Wikipedia's basic standards of inclusion if they have, for example, participated in a major international amateur or professional competition at the highest level and I believe that a world record qualifies. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:58, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Stan_Lee's_Superhumans#Season_Two_(2011–2013). The passing mention there makes it clearly sufficient for WP:ATD. ––Redditaddict69 ^(talk) ^(contribs) 02:07, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Due to promotional content, I'd support a WP:TNT. ––Redditaddict69 ^(talk) ^(contribs) 20:00, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Stan_Lee's_Superhumans#Season_Two_(2011–2013) per Redditaddict69. Mosaicberry (talk) 22:55, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
redirect I don't believe there's enough significant independent coverage to meet the GNG for his own article, but a redirect seems OK to me.Sandals1 (talk) 15:20, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. ansh 666 07:56, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mahmood Ahmadu

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I'm not convinced that the subject satisfies WP:BASIC or WP:ANYBIO. The sources cited are short pieces from minor news outlets and at least one of them (the first) is a press release as opposed to an independent article. A total of 105 results on Google, most of which seem to be duplicative press releases, blogs, directories and social media. There is also no indication that the subject's company is notable. SuperMarioMan (Talk) 22:18, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep – Subject has won awards [4] [5], [6], [7] and it's clear to me that these awards are notable enough to meet WP:ANYBIO. In my opinion I feel like Wikipedia is already far too ethnocentric, discounting award nominees from non-Anglophonic countries. Furthermore the subject also "holds the National Honor of the Officer of the Order of the Niger (OON)" [8], Vanguard Nigeria is an independent source. Dileshwar Singh Patil (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:24, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Were awards such as BEFFTA Awards truly notable Wikipedia would probably have articles on them. And I don't see how being an OON establishes notability – the vanguardngr.com page lists 65 OONs for 2013-14, the majority of whom are unlikely to satisfy the notability guidelines here. And while vanguardngr.com is an independent source, the page cited does not provide significant coverage of the subject. SuperMarioMan (Talk) 18:23, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

BEFFTA awards are listed on multiple pages of notable musicians, entrepreneurs, companies etc here on Wikipedia See here and the subject has received an Asian Voice Charity Award, Charity Charity being the technical partner of Asian Voice Charity Awards. WP:ANYBIO is met. Dileshwar Singh Patil (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:23, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain how the awards mentioned in the article are "well-known and significant" as per WP:ANYBIO. That BEFFTA is mentioned in other articles does not necessarily make it "well-known and significant". Again, the lack of articles for any of these awards would seem indicative of their lack of notability. SuperMarioMan (Talk) 15:20, 24 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The BEFFTA are mentioned in reliable sources [9], [10] and other multiple reliable sources which can be found upon a Google search. Asian Voice is the host of the Asian Voice Charity Awards Stated here and them being mentioned here, here...again more sources can be found upon a Google search. Charity Clarity is the technical partner of Asian Voice Charity Awards Stated here. Dileshwar Singh Patil (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 05:23, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Subjects is likely to be notable in the future but certainly not now. There's no WP:SIGCOV on the subject. He might have won some awards but it doesn't clearly meet notability guidelines. WP:TOOSOON. Lapablo (talk) 10:27, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep I was able to find additional articles, [11] and [12], on Mahmood Ahmadu. Following these I was able to find [13], [14], and [15] on the subject's potential involvement in a scandal. Adding these citations and a section to the current page about this might make the page redeemable according to WP:SIGCOV, but I'm not familiar with the scandal or Nigeria enough to say for certain. Userqio (talk) 23:55, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

With regard to the first two links, Business Wire is a press release agency. Press releases are not independent sources (as required by WP:SIGCOV) because they are written by people connected to the subjects of the releases – in this case, by the PR manager for OIS, Mahmood Ahmadu's company. SuperMarioMan (Talk) 01:12, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. There are both weak and substantive arguments on either side of this discussion. While the arguments to delete are slightly stronger, the claim that the subject meets NAUTHOR has not been convincingly refuted (as the claims to GNG have been). The discussion has been relisted thrice, so I have no option but to close this as "no consensus", with no prejudice against renomination at any point. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:38, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Elizabeth Celi

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Not notable. According to her website she is no longer engaged in the practice of psychology, but is apparently looking for work as a director in the film industry. According to her film CV, she has not yet made any notable or even significant films, She never was notable as a psychologist, the only references for this are her own interviews. I cannot confirm Director of Australian Psychological Society, but that seems to be an administrative position, not president of a society. She has published 2 unimportant academic papers in minor journals, and self-published two books. DGG ( talk ) 17:35, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep The subject's book Breaking the silence : a practical guide for male victims of domestic abuse is held in at least sixty-seven libraries across Australia, see here and here. Self published or not, unworthy books do not get this level of ackowledgement. Passes NAUTHOR. Aoziwe (talk) 11:36, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If we were discussing the notability of the book then being held in dozens of libraries would be no evidence of notability; there are vast numbers of books that are held in hundreds or thousands of libraries which come nowhere near to satisfying Wikipedia's notability guidelines. However, even if we were to accept inclusion in dozens of libraries as evidence of notability of the book, that would not establish notability of its author, as notability is not inherited. And finally no, nothing at all in WP:NAUTHOR could possibly be interpreted as meaning that having written a book which is held in dozens of libraries establishes notability, nor does anything in any of the other notability guidelines. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 14:37, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment The subject was a director, and here, ie, a Board member. This is a governance position, and not an administrator, but yes, subordinate to the President. Aoziwe (talk) 12:10, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Personally I would very much like to see this article kept, because I think that Elizabeth Celi has something to say which deserves to be better known. However, after years of telling new editors that neither I like it nor publicising a point of view is justification for existence of an article, I have to set my own opinion aside. Unfortunately, nothing in the article suggests that she passes any of Wikipedia's notability guidelines; nor does anything in the cited sources (two are her own LinkedIn page and her page on the web site of an organisation she is connected to, one merely includes her name in a list, and all the others do no more than give a few quotes from her); nor does anything else I have been able to find (I searched through the first few dozens of Google hits, and almost all were not independent sources, the very few exceptions being unsuitable for other reasons, such as this Wikipedia article). The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 15:04, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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On one hand I agree with you. If we take the relevant NGs on facevalue as they currently stand then, no, the subject is not notable. By consensus, picking a sport article example such as G. Fernando, it is seen that this person satifies WP:NCRICKET/WP:CRIN because they have appeared in one first class match. They essentially completely failed to perform, and are almost absolutely certain never to appear again in any way in WP and their article will remain a micro stub forever. (There are many many more such examples across cricket, football, etc.) The subject in question here, however, is a multiple times author, is sought out for many interviews and panel discussions, and is likely to have future content in WP if the article remains. I am not running an OTHERSTUFFEXISTS argument here but I am running an OTHERSTUFFEXISTS BY LONGSTANDING AND REVIEWED CONSENSUS argument, based on STUFF which I believe is far far less notable than the subject in question here. Yes the article does need better references, and I suggest there are sufficient to better support the article (accepting though they are barely within current NGs). Regardless of whether we like it or do not like it, surely the fundemental question is "Does it improve the encyclopedia". I believe it does. Surely if we believe there are such grounds, it is up to us to challenge consensus. We need to remember if consensus was followed in regard to encyclopedias, WP would not exist in the first place, and we would not want our own rules to stifle our own evolution - I suggest that this instance lends itself to WP:IAR? Regards. Aoziwe (talk) 11:52, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

THe problem Aoziwe is that if you nominate a cricket article, all the cricket fans turn up together, as a team and insist "we have decided to set the bar low and keep everything", albeit without references to WP:GNG, and then the closing admin goes with who turned up with more friends rather than who made policy-based arguments. And then people don't want the hassle, and it just gets kept. Tony May (talk) 17:09, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment' In making my nomination here, I was considerably influenced by the factthat her books are self-published. Self published books or a self published writer are notable only in exceptional circumstances (the most common exceptional circumstance at WP are in science-fiction, where major writers sometimes publish this way, and of course this can also be true of alternative or underground literature. But I think just the opposite is true for self-help or popular psychology is just the opposite--self publishing in this field is an admission of either insignificance or publishing for the sake of publicity. DGG ( talk ) 05:17, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment A search on Ebsco databases shows that she was frequently quoted on the topic of men's mental health in media across Australia from 2008-2016, so I'm not sure that it's true to say "She never was notable as a psychologist". Many of the sources currently in the article quote her on topics related to men's mental health or domestic violence against men - are they what you are referring to when you say "the only references for this are her own interviews", DGG? I would see them as examples of WP:AUTHOR #1 "The person is regarded as an important figure or is widely cited by peers or successors." I do think the article could be improved - having a section called "Public speaker and media commentator" sounds more like promotion of her, than outlining the areas she has worked in and the issues she has highlighted. The articles are not interviews with her - they are articles about the topics noted with quotes from her (and others) as a leader in the field. RebeccaGreen (talk) 14:33, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Newspapers are not "peers or successors" A mental health practitioner being available for interviews is a part of promoting their business. I assume you are refering to the sources currently in the article.:

Sydney MorningHerald quotes her as 1 of 4. ABC: one of several people who were quotations .Adeleidenow: t. The Herald cites only her. BrisbaneTimes , one of 3; TheWest, 1 of 4. Some of the othersare actually academic experts who have published in the area, without needing to resort to self-publishing. DGG ( talk ) 16:03, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Subject serves as a consultant to government and her books are widely held in public libraries. Meets notability requirements. MurielMary (talk) 09:38, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Can you point to anything in any of the notability guidelines to which either which either serving as a consultant to government or having book held in public libraries is relevant? (Incidentally, my wife has served as a consultant to government, but I do not believe she comes within a thousand miles of satisfying Wikipedia's notability standards.) The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk)

Keep subject is WP:GNG and the article can be developed WP:NOTCLEANUP Lubbad85 (☎) 19:31, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Clicking on the Google news search at the top of this deletion discussion I see she is seen as an expect in her field, many news sources quoting her on a variety of topics. Easily passes the general notability guidelines as well. Dream Focus 19:23, 22 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets WP:GNG. I agree with the last three writers' reasoning. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:52, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:BASIC requires significant coverage in multiple, reliable, independent sources. The sources used are little more than passing mentions of or limited quotes from Celi, with the exception of http://globalpublishinggroup.com.au/authors/elizabeth-celi/ but that is simply the publisher's profile of one of their authors. If we take that as meeting GNG, we are inviting articles for every author who publishes a book, and that's not how we have defined notability. We also should not confuse a book's notability with that of its author, as it is a principle that notability is not inherited. --RexxS (talk) 18:11, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per RexxS. That a url to Linkedin is one of the main sources is concerning. This is coverage in passing.[16] Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:15, 23 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Celi has been quoted in the media, but I do not see substantive independent sources about her, which is what it takes to establish notability. Quite laughable to think that one self-published book being in a few dozen libraries is "acknowledgement" that makes one notable; libraries hold cumulative millions of books. Reywas92^Talk 04:39, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Wikipedia is not a resume. Trillfendi (talk) 20:43, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
User:Trillfendi So what? Her accomplishments are documented. Meets WP:Author She is a recognized expert in her field, and easily passes WP:GNG. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 11:30, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wikipedia is not a resume. The first citation is literally her LinkedIn page! Unacceptable. Trillfendi (talk) 13:09, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What are the multiple independent reliable sources that contain significant coverage of Celi? WP:AUTHOR is an indication, not an alternative to GNG, which still has to be met. --RexxS (talk) 21:24, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to ITU-T#Key standards published by ITU. (non-admin closure) ––Redditaddict69 ^(talk) ^(contribs) 17:35, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

G.114

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This survived an AfD 15 years ago based on the usual old arguments that 'it may be important/there may be sources/etc.'. 15 years ago we have higher standards, this is still a jargon-full, nearly unreadable stub copied from some technical documentation, and it fails WP:GNG badly. WP:BEFORE does not reveal anything outside expected mentions in passing in technical documentations. At best, this can be redirected somewhere (through there's no referenced content to merge). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:31, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. No vote because this article makes.... no sense. I can't understand what on earth it's talking about so it might or might not be notable whatsoever. Maybe WP:TNT if anyone actually knows what it's about? Mosaicberry (talk) 22:58, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Come to think of it, there is a slight chance that this is a copy of some technical manual, that might belong on wikisource if this is PD. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:57, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge and Redirect to ITU-T#Key standards published by ITU. Not notable on its own. Mccapra (talk) 09:03, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - No indication of notability in independent sources. Not opposed to a redirect if it's added, with sources, to another article. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 22:12, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect into ITU-T#Key standards published by ITU as also suggested by Mccapra Graywalls (talk) 14:23, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. This is still not a very clear-cut case even after a DRV and three relists, but the "delete" arguments are more persuasive. I'm disregarding the conflicting views expressed by Djm-leighpark. There is exactly one opinion addressing the issue of third-party sources that is at the core of this AfD, and it's a "weak keep". There are two other "keep"s (and one "delete") that do not address third-party sources and must be given little weight. Everybody else argues that there are no (or not enough) third-party sources. This argument is, as mentioned, barely contested, and therefore remains decisive. Sandstein 17:28, 15 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Kst (software)

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I prodded it with the following rationale: "The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (software) requirement. " It was deprodded by User:Samsara (creator) with the following rationale "certainly not to be done via prod, after so many years!". Edit long enough, I guess one can see every weird iteration of Wikipedia:Arguments not to use in deletion discussion, including I guess "this has survived so long it should stay forever" :> Well, let's discuss this a bit more then. Sources, anyone? I couldn't find anything outside trivial mentions and primary sources. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:24, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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@Piotrus: When undoing a prod, giving reasons is entirely optional. Doing so would merely be a courtesy. I find your personal attack extremely misplaced. Samsara 14:19, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe I made any personal attack. You yourself noted you were not courteous in ignoring my specific request for a proper rationale, not me. All I said is that your argument is clearly a bad one (in fact, it is not an argument at all). I don't think my response to you at any point has been particularly so, nor less courteous than your reply to me. It is was not my intent to offend you, and if you feel offended, I apologize - but it was my intent to point out, inoffensively, that your argument is useless, not backed in any rationale we have (there's no policy, guideline or even an essay I am aware of that states that 'old enough' articles should not be deleted), and results in likely (as I expect this AfD will end up in delete) unnecessary expenditure of time for editors that will be posting here. Time will tell if I am correct or not, but if this ends up in delete, I hope you'll reconsider your future deprods. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:25, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. The software is somewhat notable. It is part of Debian. Google Scholar search for "kst-plot.kde.org" gives 28 hits. So our lemma is notable, and the article is a legitimate stub. -- Oisguad (talk) 09:55, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: As best I can tell, none of those hits are actually about the software; they are about other activities, some of which used this software (or something similar to it) in the studies. Other hits included the "kst-plot" as part of a list of software that could be used for certain activities. When looking directly at Google Scholar for "Kst (software)", many if not most hits are for knowledge sharing technology (KST). Risker (talk) 21:52, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

- Comment. Per Risker, AfD is not a vote and your argument is WP:GOOGLEHITS - also from the list of arguments to avoid during AFD. Please try to find proper in-depth sources required by WP:GNG. All you have proven is that the topic is not a hoax and it exists, and this is not being disputed. Existence, however, is not sufficient for having a Wikipedia article. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:28, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I've looked further for sources, and please also see my comment above. There just isn't enough software-specific information here. It would perhaps be suitable for merge into an article (or list article) that focuses on similar KDE extensions; many of those individual articles probably do not meet the threshold for notability, either, but as a group of applications would probably cross the notability point. Risker (talk) 03:40, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Agreed. I fully support soft delete/redirect/merge, as long as anyone can think of a proper merge target (or create it). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:56, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: This software already appears in the article List of KDE applications. Suggest deletion with a redirect to that page. There's simply not enough reference material to this particular application to demonstrate notability, let alone write a proper article. Risker (talk) 03:20, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment:~~Weak keep~~: Comment: (was weak keep as relist but see re-!vote below) Rob Reilly Linux Journal Volume 2010 Issue 196, August 2010 Article No. 4 Real-time plots with kst and a Microcontroller ... seems a likely feasible reference though I haven't read it (its unlikely to refer to the Kepler space telescope but who knows?). One no-brainer tenable redirect target is List of KDE applications#Science. Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:33, 10 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Further scanning through some scholar hits ... and with kst meaning some other things as well filtering is nightmarish ... kst seems to being particularly applied where real time speed is essential. [17].Djm-leighpark (talk) 10:13, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I've looked into the source code on this project and it seems to have stagnated, It may work very well but the toolkit it is using is a full generation behind with no activity in it's repo since 2014. The information is sparse even for a stub class article. I second the merge that User:Risker mentioned. I feel that it would better serve the average Wikipedia user if it was alongside similar software that would provide better context then an almost direct copy paste of it's main web page. On it's own it's notability is questionable, but with similar Software related to it, it's far more relevant. Andrdema (talk) 05:20, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- The relevant criterion is notability, not software development activity. Samsara 14:39, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'd like to second that. At some point in its lifecycle software can get to the point where it just works and doesn't really need further development. I don't say this has happened here ... but it is possible.Djm-leighpark (talk) 15:35, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - Yes, I can second (third?) that too - with a stress that this is a clear fail of notability, since nobody has yet found a non-WP:PRIMARY (manual) source. This piece of code doesn't seem to have been reviewed or studied in depth, hence, it is not important enough to have a stand-alone article. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:56, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I think this is notable and could become a proper article. I would highlight the following points:
- The title Kst suggests that this is statistics for KDE, and that seems to have been the idea when it was first created over a decade ago (and, btw, there are also stand-alone binaries for Macos and Windows, so it pretty much runs anywhere). However, the open source statistics market is now strongly dominated by R, which easily exceeds Kst in features. There isn't really any competition in that market any more, but of course, Wikipedia is not concerned merely with the here and now. As Djm-leighpark as well as the software's homepage emphasise, Kst's strengths are in real time visualisation of data. In fact, it may be the leading open source application in this area. This includes uses in electronics, medical devices, and astronomy. More on that below.
- Perhaps one might wonder why there aren't any third party books on Kst. Well, the Canadian Space Agency provided funding to support the creation of what ended up being an almost 300-page manual written at the universities of British Columbia and Toronto. In case this is of interest, the authors are Duncan Hanson, Rick Chern, Philip Rodrigues, Barth Netterfield, Yiwen Mao, and Zongyi Zhang.
- In terms of its connection to astronomy, Kst includes import filters for various formats that are either specific to, or were originally developed in, that field. These include HEALPix, CDF and netDCF, LFIIO, SCUBA and WMAP Time Ordered Data (TOD) files.

I may write more if I can find the time, but for now, I'd like to note that everyone commenting so far seems to have ignored the existence of the manual, with some even complaining about the absence of such material (e.g. Risker: "There's simply not enough reference material to this particular application"). Samsara 15:50, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Manuals are problematic sources, since generally they are WP:PRIMARY. If manual would be sufficient to make a topic notable, every household appliance would be notable. Heck, even USB hubs and such come with manuals these days... what doesn't? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:53, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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s>*Keep: Following development progression of article to scrape start-class by myself within the last 24 hours and with adequate referencing and removal of some contentious claims from WP:PRIMARY I am moved to change my !vore from weak keep to keep.Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:04, 29 April 2019 (UTC)</a>[reply]
Delete—fails to assert why it's notable as currently written, and cursory checks for sources turn up no significant third-party sources discussing it. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 17:44, 29 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak Keep. I've used KST for over a decade, but am not involved in the project. Linux Journal is in depth. The other refs just possibly push this over the line. It definitely shouldn't be deleted - at the very least it should be merged somewhere (KDE? An article on real time plotting?) - as the content does pass WP:V.Icewhiz (talk) 15:48, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Verifiability is separate from notability. The issue is not whether we can determine KST exists but whether it is notable enough to have an article. A Linux magazine that uses the software to accomplish a tutorial doesn't expressly demonstrate the importance of the software. Put another way: are there interviews with the creators about KST? An article about KST's importance in applications (rather than just examples where it is used?) Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs^(talk) 16:34, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - The contents should be merged at the very least. We do have an interview - [18].Icewhiz (talk) 17:18, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: The sources per article source are grand. The totality of the hinting of the use of the interview (almost a cherrytoppping that interview actually) the hinting almost seems like an attempt to motivate upclassing work on the article but after 3533 days at AfD/DRV by this one with associated scummering and another astronomical graphical pussycat as well I'm kinda spent and this is past the post.Djm-leighpark (talk) 10:24, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: This has been here too long. Just have your way and bin it forever as that's what everyone wants.Djm-leighpark (talk) 20:00, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Natg 19 (talk) 20:03, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Fallen Legion: Flames of Rebellion

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Does not meet WP:NVG by any means whatsoever. All sources are aggregations/lists. Spretznaz (talk) 10:21, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. A game that does not meet NVG? That's so rare it could make it notable. I am sure that if we search a bit more we will find some obscure game review site that has a copy of a press release or such that will make it pass VGN with flying colors. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:33, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Please, take your soapbox elsewhere, this isn’t the place for this sort of griping. Sergecross73 msg me 12:16, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, though probably rename to the more vague Fallen Legion instead, because there’s a few different variations and re-releases with it now. Article is in rough shape, but the sourcing is out there. Looks to be a failure of WP:BEFORE. Sources below are considered reliable per WP:VG/S.

Keep - Is a legit game and I'm not the greatest and constructing a perfect article, sorry. But hopefully other people may fill in the holes in future since it doesn't should stay since It's legit with reliable sources out there. Thursby16 (talk)
Keep per Sergecross73, Thursby16. Mosaicberry (talk) 22:59, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sergecross73 I think I have to clarify the mess about the title of the game. Firstly, this game got separate two releases: one on PSVita and PS4 (Fallen Legion: Sins of an Empire and Fallen Legion: Flames of Rebellion, whereas this AfD and article is about is the Vita one) [22] Then, in the same year, these 2 games combined got released on PC as Fallen Legion+ [23] and then on Switch as Fallen Legion: Rise to Glory [24]. Certainly a notable game franchise per WP:GNG in multiple significant coverage in reliable sources where I also found [25] and [26] but it needs to move to Fallen Legion at the very least, as the PSVita version is it's least notable iteration. Jovanmilic97 (talk) 09:00, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as notability has been established by coverage in reliable sources, and there is clearly sufficient material available to expand the article substantially. Issues with article title, organization of contents, and addition of sources can be addressed outside AfD. Bakazaka (talk) 04:30, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:34, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

List of distilleries in Maryland

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Fails WP:NOTDIRECTORY. Just a collection of website links and just one article Ajf773 (talk) 08:44, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy Keep A blatant failure to follow the WP:BEFORE process as it is quite easy to find more sources which demonstrate that the topic passes WP:LISTN. For example, see Forgotten Maryland Cocktails: A History of Drinking in the Free State. Andrew D. (talk) 10:00, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There are no grounds for speedy keep. Throwing one book reference does not make a directory of predominantly external links into an notable list. As this has been mentioned to you on similar AfD's. Ajf773 (talk) 18:53, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It's easy to find more books with detailed coverage of distilleries such as the History of Western Maryland. AfD is not an article improvement service and so drive-by deletionism without due diligence is disruption. Andrew D. (talk) 19:22, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is nothing disruptive about nominating any article that doesn't comply with WP:NOT. Ajf773 (talk) 08:05, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The existence of Andrew D.'s book that discusses the history of drinking in the state means that something like Alcohol in Maryland could be an appropriate article, or similar that includes notable distilleries. It does not mean it is appropriate to have a WP:LINKFARM WP:DIRECTORY of non-notable local businesses merely for their existence. Reywas92^Talk 18:54, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The article follows the same standards seen with hundreds of similar articles such as the various lists such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_breweries_in_the_United_States which contains pages of lists of microbreweries by state. The same for wineries. This does seem like a drive-by deletion as there are similar pages for states in the United States such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_microbreweries , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_breweries_in_the_United_States, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_wineries,_breweries,_and_distilleries_in_New_Jersey#Distilleries. Within each article are dozens of additional links to such lists. These lists then encouraged the manufactures to link back to the pages with their own pages so that descriptions of their businesses, products manufactured, and interests are listed. Brewder (talk) 17:08, 19 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete- WP:NOTDIR and WP:LINKFARM.--Rusf10 (talk) 23:01, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Stars Falling from the Sky. (non-admin closure) wumbolo ^^^ 20:23, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Stars Falling from the Sky (soundtrack)

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I did the search and I didn't find any sources, I read the notability for music and the article is not meeting it AnbyG (talk) 08:35, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Stars Falling from the Sky. The soundtrack ranked number 12 on the national Gaon Album Chart, so it meets WP:NALBUM. However, my search for Korean sources yield very little information about the soundtrack to justify a separate article. The content should at least be included on the drama's article. ℯ xplicit 00:44, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge into the main article. Agree with Explicit's reasoning. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 14:55, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 14:06, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bhaavna Arora

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Non-notable author Gamesmaster G-9 (talk) 03:24, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. You try to author a top-ten in India book (measured in Amazon sales). --Doncram (talk) 04:17, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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- The claim that her book was "top-ten in India" is dubious. It is based on a single press release with no accompanying figures. No other sources mention it as a best-seller. Even the own Amazon India page has its rank as 54,123 (and 6,712 in its genre). Globally, its numbers are even lower. Also, keep in mind that Amazon does not dominate the book retail space in India (or even the online book retail space). Gamesmaster G-9 (talk) 15:28, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - I dunno. The source looks okay to me, offhand. It is not just about being "top 10" for an instant, it is about being "top 10" of entire year. And sure, Amazon might or might not be as relatively important in India as it is in the U.S. where you and I other judgmental narrow-minded Americans are making AFD nominations and !voting upon them....but India is HUGE!!!! And I think Amazon in India is quite big. Anyhow, again, why don't you please cancel any AFDs like this, then try to reach that benchmark yourself, before coming back to AFD, frankly. :) --Doncram (talk) 02:53, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    - I'm actually Indian, and I know how big Amazon is in India (it's the second biggest online retailer behind Flipkart, but online book sales are still small overall).Gamesmaster G-9 (talk) 23:12, 31 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Subject does not pass WP:GNG. I'm not seeing any significant sources indicating notability about the books. Add this to the fact that there's some obvious COI and possible sock puppetry going on. Wikipedia is not a platform to promote yourself. Skirts⁸⁹ 09:36, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: In reference to the Amazon sales rankings, Amazon chart rankings are not considered to be a sign of notability on Wikipedia. To be honest, it was only in the past few years that bestseller lists were seen as a sign of notability in general - there actually was a fairly lengthy discussion about this at WP:NBOOK and ultimately it was decided that;

A book's inclusion in a reliable bestseller list is non-trivial treatment if the list is notable or the list is published by a notable media outlet and the list is republished or covered by other reliable sources. Bestseller lists in retailer or e-commerce sources like Amazon or self-published sources like personal websites, blogs, bulletin boards, wikis, and similar media are not considered reliable. Social media review sites like Goodreads and LibraryThing do not qualify for this criterion.

By extension this also applies to authors the same way that book reviews count towards an author's notability by way of showing that their work is notable. Specifically excluding sites like Amazon from the bestseller list rule was one of the only reasons it was able to be finally added as a sign of notability. (If you're curious, the reasons for this revolved around several issues, one of which is that Amazon rankings can often be manipulated if someone knows how to accomplish this.) ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 23:56, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:32, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yuliya Linhares

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Compliance with WP:PROF or WP:GNG has not been demonstrated. Ymblanter (talk) 06:26, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as per nom; reads like a press release or CV. Nothing special shown for a stand alone article at this point. Kierzek (talk) 16:26, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this resume. Trillfendi (talk) 20:44, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:31, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

MTV Pilipinas for Best Editing in a Video

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Questionable page for a an award show that has just given this award once. (some of the awards for the said show are on the main page.) There are more of these I would like to have merged into this AFD.

Anyway either redirect or merge maybe if not deleted.

Here are more pages if someone can put them into this afd:

(I didn't want to put a AFD for each page, so yeah if someone can make a big AFD for all of them-that be great) Wgolf (talk) 02:51, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Honestly, MTV Pilipinas Music Award could go in here itself, along with the other awards categories; a completely non-notable awards ceremony which had no notability and was part of a troubled network which only stayed on for less than a decade (and judging from MTV having four variations since the new millenium in the nation, it just never worked out for them). Every article is zero-sourced, and thus it just can't stay here. Nate • (chatter) 06:56, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete all. It can't be a notable award if it has only been awarded once, back in 2006. Ajf773 (talk) 07:21, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, can someone merge the other ones into this afd? I didn't want to start one for each of them as it seemed too much. Wgolf (talk) 20:34, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Spartaz ^Humbug! 14:07, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Feed My Lambs

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Clearly does not satisfy WP:CORPDEPTH. Would PROD, but it was AfD'd in 2009. SITH (talk) 19:00, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Reporting in the AJC has been extensive and in-depth (a sample listed below) I accessed it through a paywall, which probably explains why you couldn't see it.E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:40, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Lean towards keep -- This seems to be a modest sized chain of schools. It is not clear if they are Primary or Secondary. If they were secondary, we would normally keep the school. For Primary we would merge to a list article of the schools of a School Board or Education Authority. If we keep schools, we should probably keep the parent organisation. This seems to be the equivalent of a school board. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:23, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep but move to Feed My Lambs (Christian preschools) and pray for an editor to upgrade the article. As User:Peterkingiron said, it is an active chain of charity pre-schools, a sort of Christian Head Start (program). Disambig is needed because there have been Christian preschools by this name for at least a century, in Britain and various parts of the U.S.. plus other types of Cristian charities use the name. Sources include :

Heeding his call Feed My Lambs ministry reaches out to preschoolers in poorest neighborhoods: [Home Edition] SANDERS, ALVELYN J. The Atlanta Journal - Constitution; Atlanta, Ga. [Atlanta, Ga]15 May 2004: B.1.
Community of Faith: 'Lambs' ministry aids kids: [Main Edition] Hannigan, Candice. The Atlanta Journal - Constitution; Atlanta, Ga. [Atlanta, Ga]28 Dec 2006: JQ.5.
Preschool still needs a home: No building yet for Marietta location. Feed My Lambs counts on donations to run Christian academies. Hannigan, Candice. The Atlanta Journal - Constitution; Atlanta, Ga. [Atlanta, Ga]31 Oct 2009: D.1.
Cobb DA: President of family's charity allegedly siphoned $873K Brasch, Ben. The Atlanta Journal - Constitution; Atlanta, Ga. [Atlanta, Ga]01 June 2018: B.9. (Feed My Lambs, according to a warrant filed by the Cobb district attorney's office. ......organization's American Express card. Feed My Lambs sent a statement to the...)
Neighborhood preschool lets woman live dream of teaching Laura Ingram STAFF WRITER. The Atlanta Journal the Atlanta Constitution (pre-1997 Fulltext); Atlanta, Ga. [Atlanta, Ga]22 Feb 1996: G.11. E.M.Gregory (talk) 23:35, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep and rename as above, there is now multiple reliable sources coverage that have been identified so deletion is no longer required in my view, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 13:00, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 14:08, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Roku Server Protocol

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Totally unreferenced. The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (software) requirement. WP:BEFORE gets me a single mention in passing in a Finish article: [27]. That's a far cry from even borderline. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:54, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: I have included 4 references. Software is used in a number of Linux media players. Geertivp (talk) 12:27, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Of the 4 references the Finnish reference may be acceptable for notability, however the remaining 3 look as if they are deriviations of (the same) press release which is of no use for that purpose, as opposed to an independent hands-on review which might be candidates.Djm-leighpark (talk) 09:05, 23 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If you mean [28], while this looks mildly reliable (student thesis?), it seems that the software is mentioned only in one single paragraph, which rather fails the 'in-depth' requirement and instead lends itself to be dismissed as a 'passing mention'. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:44, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies I mis-interpreted what you commented on your opening statement rather than reviewing the reference.Djm-leighpark (talk) 06:53, 25 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Merge: to SoundBridge, Comment: but I do so in the knowledge I am too overloaded to do the merge and am concerned why Geertivp did not seek this option already or why it was not picked up at WP:BEFORE.Djm-leighpark (talk) 08:31, 28 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: For about 168 reasons I am no longer prepared to do this merge myself and therefore need to withdraw my offer. I would !vote to anyone else offering to do so. Withdrawing and unwatching this deletion discussion. Thankyou. 07:50, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

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The result was delete. Spartaz ^Humbug! 14:09, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Simpson (attorney)

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Much like the now-deleted article Audrey McGinn, this was created as undisclosed paid editing for the California Innocence Project. The article relies primarily on self-published sources such as press releases. While this subject has been cited in some local news articles over the years, it does not met the notability requirement of "significant coverage" in reliable sources. Additionally, the article is clearly a puff-piece with plenty of extraneous detail, written with promotional intent. As another user pointed out, this article is longer than the article we have for Thurgood Marshall. Cosmic Sans (talk) 12:31, 21 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep WP:ANYBIO Meets WP:GNG. Well sourced as it is. Lubbad85 (talk) 15:15, 26 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep As Comic Sans points out, I was indeed a paid editor for this article and I originally didn't realize I had to disclose that fact. Comic Sans has not pointed out, however, that, soon after it was pointed out to me that my omission violated Wikipedia’s terms, I acknowledged my error and have revealed on both the article’s talk page and my user page that I was compensated. Furthermore, when Comic Sans proposed this article for deletion, Comic Sans did not notify me, as the creator of the article, on my Talk page as is customary, and seems not to have followed the proper procedures, which is odd for someone who is implicitly criticizing me for not following proper procedures.

It is furthermore not at all true, as Comic Sans alleges, that the content of the article consists primarily of press releases (though admittedly there should be fewer primary sources), nor that the article is a mere “puff piece.” Cited secondary sources in which Mr. Simpson’s opinions and observations have appeared, or to which he has contributed full interviews, include The Los Angeles Times, SF Gate, KPBS, NBC-TV Los Angeles, ABC-TV, RT, The Sacramento Bee, The Press-Enterprise, The San Bernardino Sun, etc.

In his print and broadcast media appearances, Mr. Simpson has served as a subject matter expert on at least four topics: a) the death penalty; b) the flawed nature of eyewitness identifications; c) legislation regarding the use of new evidence of innocence; and d) monetary compensation for those who have been exonerated. The links at citations 26, 27, 28 and 50 quote him on various issues relating to the death penalty, and for all of these, he doesn’t discuss any of his own clients, which implies that he was asked to appear as a recognized expert on the topic. He was also allowed to testify as an expert witness at a joint session of the California legislature relating to a proposed death penalty bill (see citation 29). The links at citations 15 and 25 relate to his views on eyewitness identifications. At the links at citations 9 and 21, Simpson comments on laws to make it easier to prove innocence. The links at citations 22, 23 and 38 relate to the issue of compensation for exonerated prisoners.

Mr. Simpson has also published scholarly articles about these topics (see citations 5, 30 and 31). Finally, Mr. Simpson has been named in the Acknowledgements section of the book Forensic Testimony: Science, Law and Expert Evidence by C. Michael Bowers, and is prominently mentioned in the recently-published book Burned by Pulitzer Prize winner Edward Humes.

Comic Sans has cited the observation of another Wikipedia editor to the effect that this article is longer than the Wiki article on Thurgood Marshall. (My personal opinion is that the Marshall article is actually much too short, given that jurist’s historical prominence, but I won’t quibble.) The fact that Wikipedia has no single editor-in-chief to decide which articles are to be allowed inclusion, and how long each article ought to be, makes such paradoxes inevitable. And in fact, I agree with Comic Sans that this article is overly long and should be trimmed. But the issue that Comic Sans raises concerning the proper length of the article is utterly irrelevant to the question at hand, which is whether the article ought to exist at all, which it clearly should.

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The nominator is not actually required to notify you of the AfD nomination, so I suggest you withdraw your personal attack on Cosmic Sans. Note that you, as a paid editor, "must respect the volunteer nature of the project and keep discussions concise" (WP:PAYTALK). That's a requirement. Bakazaka (talk) 23:38, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bakazaka: The nominator is not actually required to notify the creator of an article of an AfD nomination, true, but as a matter of courtesy this should be done, and was done by the editor who nominated the above-mentioned Audrey McGinn page for deletion. I have tried to keep the discussion as concise as possible. You have not addressed any of my arguments above, which would tend to refute the WP:PROMO argument. And for the record, although I was paid to create the article, I am not being paid to defend it, so on this page I am as much a volunteer editor as Comic Sans or you.

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Delete as unambiguous WP:PROMO, aggravated by paid article creator's wall of WP:PAYTALK text in this AfD, which shows great disrespect for the time and attention of volunteer editors who do not get paid to filibuster for their clients. By policy, Wikipedia is not a platform for promotion. Bakazaka (talk) 23:28, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Per the previous commenters, this subject does not pass basic notability requirements. The obvious COI problems here are a waste of every volunteer's time. Does not pass WP:GNG and should probably get some WP:SALT. Skirts⁸⁹ 09:55, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Thank you Cosmic Sans for this AfD. We may also want to look at the other paid articles, Justin Brooks and Michael Semanchik. What do you think about listing those for AfD as well? I have serious concerns about their notability, and obvious WP:PROMO problems. Skirts⁸⁹ 09:59, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - You're welcome. I'm going to be looking at potentially nominating all of these COI articles as time goes on. I want to make sure I give each article due consideration before I nominate it for deletion instead of doing them all at once. It could very well be that one of the subjects is notable even if the article was created as part of an undisclosed paid editing project. Cosmic Sans (talk) 14:48, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - To my embarrassment, I must confess that I misread the name of the user "Cosmic Sans" as "Comic Sans," because of the name's similarity to the Comic Sans typeface font. This may be the reason for claims to the effect that I was being disrespectful to volunteer editors, when that was not my intent, and I apologize for the misunderstanding. However, I stand by my earlier arguments in my "Keep" comments, which have yet to be addressed by those editors, including Cosmic Sans, who voted to "Delete." Dylanexpert (talk) 15:34, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:PAYTALK: Volunteers should be aware that paid editors may be submitting evidence of their talk-page posts to justify their salaries or fees. No editor should be expected to engage in long or repetitive discussions with someone who is being paid to argue with them. Bakazaka (talk) 21:39, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 20:30, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Marutsu Elec

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The coverage (references, external links, etc.) does not seem sufficient to justify this article passing Wikipedia:General notability guideline and the more detailed Wikipedia:Notability (companies) requirement. Not seeing any in-depth, independent, reliable coverage. Perhaps it exists in Japanese - if you find non-English sources, please make sure to explain to others what makes them reliable if this is not apparent in the first glance (like coverage by notable mainstream Japanese newspapers, etc.). _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:50, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete promotional Lubbad85 (☎) 12:23, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, though it's absolutely not promotional. I've been unable to find any additional coverage since I no longer live in Japan. ···日本穣 · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 16:30, 18 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Yep, it's not promotional, just WP:YELLOWPAGES. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:07, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Can be recreated by an established editor who isn't being paid for it. Sandstein 20:59, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

DataXu

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The company does not meet Wikipedia notability standards. They are an obscure company within their field. The article serves as unambiguous advertising or promotion for the company. Additionally, the page is written by numerous dummy accounts from Wiki Professionals, a marketing agency that specializes in writing and managing Wikipedia pages for a fee. They also promote it on their portfolio: https://[wiki professionals company domain]/wiki-portfolio/ The URL for Wiki Professionals has been blacklisted from Wikipedia. This is a clear violation of Wikipedia rules. Sonstephen0 (talk) 17:35, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Based on amount of references and also additional references in Google news, it meets basic WP:GNG. Google news has 253 results on the company name! ~Leny Tee55~ 07:29, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - So here's the thing: it looks a little notable, based on the sources. However, it is the product of undisclosed paid editing, and does not look to have more than minor changes by anyone else. Thus I would support deletion, without prejudice to an established editor recreating. It's striking how many of the keep !votes at the AfDs are very new, largely working on corporate profiles. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 14:38, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, hold on. I'm not actually seeing the concrete evidence this was created by a paid editor. @Sonstephen0: I think I'm looking at the page you referenced, but don't see DataXu listed? Could you clarify? — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 14:43, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It looks like they updated their portfolio page and it isn't listed anymore. However, the talk page of the article mentions that it was created by numerous SPA's and the page creator isn't active on wikipedia anymore. Sonstephen0 (talk) 15:27, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. This has literally been listed here at AFD for nearly a month and we're still split as far as consensus goes. No issues with speedy renomination. (non-admin closure) Dusti ^{*Let's talk!*} 02:11, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Farley's Eatery and Pub

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Does not meet WP:NCORP. Single-location defunct restaurant. Lack of in-depth coverage in independent RS. Article does say that an actor died there, and it was mentioned in one episode of a TV show. Neither is significant enough to establish notability. MB 21:07, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I added evidence of in-depth coverage by reliable sources. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 21:49, 22 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Local coverage of a place with local importance. There are tens of thousands of restaurants that we could write this kind of article for, but that’s too low a threshold of notability. Mccapra (talk) 06:56, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Problem with this article is, it does not becomes automatically notable because it is associated with notable ones WP:INHERITORG QueerEcofeminist^{"cite! even if you fight"!!!} [they/them/their] 17:36, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The AP source provides a good detailed history of the place, the other sources demonstrate notability per WP:GNG and there are lots more to find, owing to its appearance as a location in The Office. Andrew D. (talk) 11:56, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom and QEF. ∯WBG^converse 14:21, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sourced and WP:GNG not overly promotional. Lubbad85 (☎) 12:21, 17 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. This has been relisted twice and while, granted, there's more keep !votes than there are delete !votes, a consensus hasn't been established in my opinion ... There's a lot of protest over the sourcing (primarily an article) and whether they meet GNG. I appreciate everyone remaining civil and understandably this is a passionate subject. With this conversation being rather in depth, and contentious, there's no prejudice over a speedy renomination. (non-admin closure) Dusti ^{*Let's talk!*} 02:05, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

St. Francis of Assisi Catholic Church (Jefferson, North Carolina)

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Generic local congregation, no substantive third-party sources to assert notability. Reywas92^Talk 23:39, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete -- an unremarkable local congregation by appearnces. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:48, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:GNG. Best, GPL93 (talk) 19:20, 1 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Meets WP:GEOFEAT guidelines. It seems to a be historical architecture and the fact that there is little references on it should not be reason for delete, as this place is built in 1899 so there won't be much recent news on it. ~Leny Tee55~ 07:07, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Simply being old does not guarantee notability. Little reference is exactly why it should be deleted. Actual historical architecture, rather than any old building, would have independent sources on it.
Keep per above. While the Catholic congregation itself is not notable, the building is a historic one for the area. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 18:07, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Well are there any notable sources establishing notability for the building, like a listing on a historic register? Still fails GNG and WP:NCHURCH. Reywas92^Talk 18:41, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Rule of thumb for editors considering nomination churches for deletion: American churches that are a century old or that are or were large can almost always be sourced. Let's test that assertion with this one.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:34, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
WP:HEY Keep Coverage is right where you would expect it to be, in reliable newspapers and in the guide to historic architecture in the region published by the state university press.E.M.Gregory (talk) 20:13, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per E.M.Gregory's statement above. The sources added indicate historical notability. I think it passes WP:GNG. Skirts⁸⁹ 09:34, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete As far as I'm concerned, local historical significance doesn't automatically equate to GNG. Trillfendi (talk) 18:43, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
delete People simply are not reading the article carefully. This is an article about a parish, not a building, which by the way the parish hasn't occupied in some years anyway. The narrative is routine: Catholic parish starts in the 1960s, taking over existing building which happens (possibly) to be historic; eventually it outgrows it (as is commonplace for Catholic parishes) and they build a new church. there is no real notability in any of this, and the sources about the parish reflect that. Mangoe (talk) 19:40, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Please AGF, I see no reasons to conclude that editors are unaware that this congregation moved into an historic building.E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:11, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - there is a book source, there are newspaper sources, there is the site of the congregation itself as source for statements about itself. Clearly meets GNG. XavierItzm (talk) 12:22, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as per WP:HEY as extra content and references showing significant coverage in reliable sources have been added so there is no valid reason for deletion, thanks Atlantic306 (talk) 13:51, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - added Navbox for Roman Catholic Diocese of Raleigh since St.Francis is a member parish; added See also section. Article improvements to better integrate into Wikipedia. JoeHebda (talk) 14:10, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Comment changed to Roman Catholic Diocese of Charlotte, as St. Francis is in the Western diocese. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 02:23, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RANT Could people please look at this a bit before commenting??? The book reference is not about the parish; it's about a building they no longer occupy and which was built for someone else. The coverage is routine for a local church. I actually bothered to look at both buildings, the old and the current: the former now houses some independent Baptists, and the latter is a typical small modern church. There is no notability here; it's just another minor Catholic parish. Mangoe (talk) 12:22, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The book documents that this congregation purchased and occupied for over half a century a church building erected by a different denomination in 1899. Details about the congregation's history, including the buildings it has occupied, are reliably sourced. Notability by no means depends on the historic building, but it is part of the history of the congregation and contributes its mite to the notability of the parish.E.M.Gregory (talk) 17:46, 7 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

No, it really doesn't. Catholic parishes started in the 1960s are a dime a gross, not merely a dozen. Starting out in someone else's old building is not especially odd, and it didn't achieve notice outside the locality. If the building is historic, then write an article on the building, but the parish is just another Catholic parish. Mangoe (talk) 12:04, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion in a university press book doesn't "contribute its mite to the notability of the parish"? - seriously?E.M.Gregory (talk) 15:06, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

While I am unable to read the page in question without getting my hands on a physical copy, probing with GBooks seems to say that the parish isn't mentioned at all, and the building gets no more than a very brief listing and not a "discussion". From what I can see, the material in the guide is not enough to write an article on anything it lists, but again (and it is really beginning to irritate me the number of times I'm having to repeat this) this isn't an article about the building, and the parish hasn't occupied it for years, in any case. Notability is not inherited by formerly residing in a (minimally) historic building. Mangoe (talk) 16:18, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Here: is the snippet from the book that I found online" "Across the street the former Jefferson Presbyterian Church (now St. Francis of Assisi Catholic Church) (ca. 1900; sw corner of Main and Ivey Sts.) is a shingled Gothic Revival church with corner bell- tower. Nearby the little William B. Austin ..." But the article hardly relies on that alone, there is a good deal of detail in the newspaper articles about the history of the church and its buildings.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:31, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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they no longer occupy is a canard repeated above more than once. This is an unencyclopaedic argument. Entries do not get deleted from Wikipedia because they no longer are, or because they no longer are there, or because they moved. Albert Einstein is no longer; we still have an entry for him. Berlin's airport Johannisthal Air Field is no longer there at all, but we still have an entry for it. London's main airport moved from Hounslow Aerodrome to Croydon Aerodrome on 28 March 1920, but we still have an entry for Hounslow Aerodrome.

Policy requires the WP:GNG to be met, which it is here through material such as book citations, journal citations, etc.; arguments ad tempores which have no basis on Wikipedia policies have no place on Wikipedia. XavierItzm (talk) 06:52, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Technically, it is not a canard that they no longer occupy the building, because it is true that they do not. I have repeated that point because, other than the kind of local media coverage that is typical of any congregation which erects a new building, this is the only claim to notability. But the fact that the parish vacated it and presumably passed it along to the Baptists who now use it emphasizes that the building and the parish are not the same thing, and that an article which isn't about the building is not justified by that former residence. Mangoe (talk) 17:05, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

delete since there doesn't seem to be a good merger target. "St. Francis of Rome Catholic Church in Sparta, North Carolina is a mission of St. Francis of Assisi Church", per WP:BRANCH. If the building is notable, then the page should be made about the building, then the church, which moved into it in 1960 be added as a section. Notability does not transfer to the new owner or new tenant from simply becoming the new owner or an occupant of a presumably notable building per WP:INHERITORG. It's described as the only catholic church in that city. Given that it's a city with a 2010 population of 1,611, and declining, this doesn't add to notability. Graywalls (talk) 11:10, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The argument for keeping, however, does not depend on the historic buildign the church worshipped in for half a century. The argument is that while the article was at AfD, substantive coverage of the founding and history and activities of the congregation were found and added to the page.E.M.Gregory (talk) 19:25, 16 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Multiple deprivation index. Sandstein 07:01, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Deprivation index

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just an unreferenced list Rathfelder (talk) 23:40, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Appears to be a perfectly reasonable list/disambiguation article. --Michig (talk) 07:20, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Merge with Multiple deprivation index. (I don't have strong feelings for which name to keep.) This is a legitimate area of study, see e.g. OECD, Journal of Social Science and Medicine, Journal of Health Affairs, Journal of Epidemiology and Community Health, Journal of Environment and Planning (again), etc. While the most prominent use is in the UK, many of these articles indicate more limited usage elsewhere, and the current MDI article's lede is probably incorrect - these two articles describe the same fundamental topic. MarginalCost (talk) 14:18, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Merger seems sensible.Rathfelder (talk) 12:14, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. No sources presented to establish notability. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 02:53, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

St. Katherine Greek Orthodox Church (Burlington, North Carolina)

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Generic local congregation, no substantive third-party sources to establish notability Reywas92^Talk 23:43, 29 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete -- quite apart from copy-vio issues, this appears to be an unremarkable local church. Peterkingiron (talk) 16:49, 30 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Halt/Wait - Someone needs to find more sources within a month or two of about this one of two only Eastern Orthodox Parish, as well need to be noble Primary or Secondary based I guess, before if they wanted to delete the page, with my approval. Chad The Goatman (talk) 19:33, 2 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:Chad The Goatman Just so. Will you have a chance to look for some?E.M.Gregory (talk) 22:12, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Oh course, not right now as I mentioned with also given the reason of extending it until there no new sources. Chad The Goatman (talk) 21:03, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep. I wrote this article a few years back and, admitting, did not do a great job. That being said, it is unique for a Greek Orthodox parish to exist in rural North Carolina and I feel that, with some help or time, I may be able to find more written sources to back a claim of significance. -- Willthacheerleader18 (talk) 18:11, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:Willthacheerleader18, I've added two sources.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:54, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well, my current location in its state standards, Is prefer as semi-urban and small city since its have current 52,000 to 54,000+ people living there. Chad The Goatman (talk) 21:03, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as reliable sources references are being added and commitments have been made for article improvement so deletion is unwarranted at this stage Atlantic306 (talk) 13:55, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, without prejudice to speedy recreation if additional sources are found which show independent, in-depth coverage in reliable sources, but I'm not seeing any here and don't see any when I look myself. It may be unusual for the area, but the fact of that doesn't manifest sources for us to use. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 14:06, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:27, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Alex Breingan

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GNG fail. All sources that I can find are simply trivial mentions to the effect of "Alex Breingan, executive producer at Toe Rag Productions which produces The Cafe".. and so on. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:09, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete He owns the production company that produces the show in which he features... seems more than a little bit "write the theme tune, sing the theme tune" (1). Cabayi (talk) 14:06, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Cabayi, who said it better and nicer than I could have. Praxidicae (talk) 16:44, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I tagged the article for UPE due to recent SPI (see MediaCheckNZ contribs in edit history). The socks were all interested in the articles related to this article subject's business interests, which are related to the article subject.ThatMontrealIP (talk) 18:45, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. He has done well for himself. But, is not notable, as above. (Dushan Jugum (talk) 20:36, 10 April 2019 (UTC)).[reply]

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The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:26, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Bernadette P. McPherson

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Believe this should have been speedy deleted since a large portion of the article was copied from [29], but was declined. However, the article still does not meet notability standards of WP:POLITICIAN, simply being a small town mayor or county freeholder does not get you past notability requirements. Rusf10 (talk) 03:09, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Clearly fails WP:NPOL. Best, GPL93 (talk) 12:34, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. The county level of political office does not confer an automatic free pass over WP:NPOL — a county freeholder might clear NPOL #2 if they can be referenced to enough reliable source coverage to make them a special case of significantly greater notability than most other county councillors, but a county councillor does not get an automatic inclusion freebie just because her existence is technically verified by a "staff" profile on the council's own self-published website about itself. This is referenced entirely to primary sources, not to any evidence of notability-supporting media coverage, and is at least partially a direct cut-paste copyvio of one of those primary sources anyway — all of which means that nothing here is evidence of notability at all. Bearcat (talk) 14:24, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Goodness knows why this was relisted for a second time, as by then consensus was clear. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 12:32, 26 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Charles G. Hall

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Not notable and poorly sourced. Being nominated for a Pulitzer prize does not make you notable, winning it does. Rusf10 (talk) 01:29, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - most longtime and award winning journalists are encyclopedic. This article passes WP:CCPOL and is, in my opinion, encyclopedic. Smmurphy^(Talk) 15:36, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. This person does not meet the notability criteria outlined at WP:CREATIVE, so this article should be deleted. Qono (talk) 20:50, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Hall received the award, television photographer of the year for the central region, by the NPPA among other awards which seems to satisfy #1 and #4, no? Smmurphy^(Talk) 21:54, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  - No. The policy says "widely cited" and "significant critical attention". This award does not satisfy either criteria. Qono (talk) 23:47, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
delete I don't believe the awards he received show automatic notability and I'm not seeing coverage that meets the GNG (in my opinion).Sandals1 (talk) 14:52, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- Regarding the extensiveness of coverage - the vast majority of newspapers.com articles on searches of "Pat Hall" focusing on the states he worked during his career are about him or his work, such as the 115 results searching Wyoming between 1961 and 1976"pat+hall"&dr_year=1961-1976&offset=22&p_place=WY. Many of these hits are about his reportage, although none of the magazines he worked at in Wyoming are indexed during that period. During the period 1972-1976 he was primarily not working as a journalist, but as a director of bicentennial celebrations in the Midwest/Mountain West. Here are 83 hits from Wyoming during that period, mostly about that work [30]. A large number of those 83 articles are not merely quotes of Hall, but are discussions of his operations and activities. Smmurphy^(Talk) 15:38, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete not WP:GNG Lubbad85 (☎) 17:20, 15 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
- @Lubbad85: In what sense is it "not GNG". It is sourced to a dozen RS over 50 years about the subject and his accomplishments. Sorry to ask but I'm genuinely curious. Smmurphy^(Talk) 12:14, 19 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Since this was relisted, I'm adding it to the history discussions list as his role in bicentenial celebrations (as regional commission chair and state committee director) might be of interest there. Smmurphy^(Talk) 16:53, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:25, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

N. Leonard Smith

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Local politician, unsuccessful senate candidate, does not meet WP:POLITICIAN. Rusf10 (talk) 01:01, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Neither being a third party candidate in an election nor being a county-level legislator passes WP:NPOL. Best, GPL93 (talk) 12:24, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete a non-notable candidate.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:58, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Neither holding local political office nor being an unsuccessful candidate for higher office constitutes a guaranteed inclusion freebie on Wikipedia, but the article is referenced nowhere close to well enough to get him over the bar. To be considered notable enough for inclusion in Wikipedia, a person at these levels of political significance would have to either (a) have preexisting notability for other reasons that would already have gotten him an article anyway (e.g. clearing our inclusion criteria in another field of endeavour), or (b) be referenceable to a depth and range and volume of coverage that expanded significantly beyond what's merely expected to exist for all county councillors and all unsuccessful congressional candidates. That's not what these references show, however: four of the five footnotes are primary sources that do not constitute support for notability at all, and the only one that's actual media coverage is a routine obituary in a small community weekly — which is not enough coverage to get somebody over WP:GNG all by itself if he has no notability claims that would pass any SNGs. Bearcat (talk) 14:39, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:24, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tracy Silna Zur

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County politician, does not meet notability requirements of WP:POLITICIAN Rusf10 (talk) 00:58, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Doesn't pass WP:NPOL, she was a potential congressional candidate (still not enough to pass) in 2013. Best, GPL93 (talk) 12:26, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete another non-notable county level New Jersey politician.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:01, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete per G7. (non-admin closure) Sheldybett (talk) 07:17, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rachel Hart

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I came to this article via Coin. Appears to be a promotional effort for an Australian Media producer. Once I trimmed a dozen or so references that had links straight back to the article subject, there was not much left. GNG fail. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 00:50, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There seems to be the strong odor of undisclosed promotional editing as well, as is evidenced by the placement of a speedy tag by the article author, the author's contribs list, and the requests to save it via draftify. Maybe some highly skilled admin can figure out what is gong on here. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:33, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. You can remove, but please draftify for the meantime. Thank you ThatMontrealIP. --Media Edit NZ (talk) 00:57, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
New Zealand. Not Australian. Again, can you please draftify the aritle please. This is just going around in loops. And I can look at trying to get it reviewed at a later time. Thanks --Media Edit NZ (talk) 01:10, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not only is this obvious WP:UPE but I can't find any indication the subject is notable. Praxidicae (talk) 01:15, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Yes, I agree. I was almost swayed by their Promise that it is not UPE, but have come around. I appreciate anyone who wants to look at their other contribs. See also the connected article Alex Breingan, which I just AFD'd. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 04:27, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. — JJMC89 (T·C) 23:23, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Dave Schulz (musician)

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Pretty much a promo for a random musician. Written like a resume. Not a single secondary source. Hydromania (talk) 00:22, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete under G12 - it's a straight WP:COPYVIO of the biography on Schultz's own website [31]. Richard3120 (talk) 12:22, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
delete Promotional and WP:COPYVIO for it's cut and paste content from his website. However, looking over the press section of his website, he may genuinely qualify for notability per RS coverage (Keyboard magazine, Playboy.com, etc), but the article needs recreated and resubmitted per wiki standards. ShelbyMarion (talk) 14:37, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Purely WP:COPYVIO. 111.68.115.165 (talk) 05:49, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: No evidence of notabillity and per WP:PROMO. SSSB (talk) 14:55, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Non notable musician, WP:COPYVIO and purely promotional. Ceethekreator (talk) 20:28, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as copyvio, added G12, suggest start again at afc basing the content on independent reliable sources Atlantic306 (talk) 22:08, 12 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. This has already been relisted twice and had no further discussion. There's no clear consensus and unfortunately this would be considered a disputed PROD, hence the closure as No Consensus. (non-admin closure) Dusti ^{*Let's talk!*} 02:33, 27 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Saranya Bhagyaraj

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Actress with little notability. She only seems to have done 2 films so far (I can't find any others that she has been in), as well as a not inherited issue. Wgolf (talk) 00:12, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete not enough significant roles for notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 19:01, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. The formerly unreleased film has now been released. https://www.cinemaexpress.com/stories/news/2019/mar/19/horror-film-gets-a-release-after-12-years-10616.html I think her multiple roles are enough to establish notability. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 20:33, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Draft as may become notable after the film mentioned above is released, its planned for release later this year and the actress has a leading role but given the previous 12 year delay I don't think its release can be taken for granted so drafting is an option I think is appropriate Atlantic306 (talk) 22:52, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 07:01, 13 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Documentary for the Recently Deceased

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Minimally sourced article about a film which was still only in the crowdfunding phase as of the last time any source (reliable or otherwise) actually wrote about it. As always, every film that enters the production pipeline does not automatically get an article as soon as just one or two sources verify that the film is planned: most films aren't eligible for articles until we can at least source a confirmed release date, and only select high-profile projects that get a lot more coverage than the norm actually get to have articles any earlier than that, and that's especially true as long as you have to rely entirely on blogs to actually have any sources at all. Bearcat (talk) 00:11, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete/draftity. WP:TOOSOON. Might be best to draftify this, so the creator can restore this after the film is released if it wins awards/gets more coverage. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:26, 5 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Delete/draftify. I was going to argue that there's enough coverage to mention this on the other media section for the article on the film itself, however I have two arguments against this. The first is that there's no coverage beyond announcements that funding campaigns were launched. There was some light coverage in 2017 when the first one was launched and some other light coverage when the Kickstarter campaign was launched about a year later to fund more interviews. The second is that the Kickstarter campaign was unsuccessful and they failed to meet their goal, so they didn't get their money. This means that any progress that is being made on the movie will either be halted or slowed dramatically, which will result in it being a very long time before it's completed and released. This in turn means that the documentary's progress will be unlikely to receive coverage in the media. I'm aware that they've started filming, but the coverage just isn't heavy enough to really justify an article at this point in time or really a mention on the main article. I think turning this into a draft is the right option here. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 00:21, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Draftify per above. At this stage there simply isn't enough evidence to suggest it is sufficently notable for an article. If it becomes notable later it can be recreated. SSSB (talk) 14:51, 9 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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