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Yoshi's Safari

I happened to visit Yoshi's Safari today and think, "Wasn't this pretty scant not that long ago? Huh..." Turns out, that's exactly correct haha. It just recently got a complete overhaul by someone I happened to recognize. Great work! :) --Bchill53 (talk) 22:18, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Bchill53: thank you glad you noticed JOEBRO64 23:57, 27 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Location for creation sections

I have often wondered where Creation section should be included too within articles but most FAs I have seen in Wikipedia use it above like Lightning (Final Fantasy) or the GA Kratos (God of War). Maybe this could be discussed in the project to discuss a potential change for the manual of style. Any ideas?Tintor2 (talk) 18:54, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Tintor2, IMO Creation sections should only come first if the character has a History section (eg Anarky or Joker (character)). When writing Shadow the Hedgehog I chose to place the creation section after the description of the character because I felt like the creation section elaborated on points in the description so it didn't make sense to have that first. It's definitely worth opening a discussion on it. JOEBRO64 19:17, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The Legend of Zelda: Link's Awakening (2019 video game)

It looks even worse now. The near entirety of the "Development" section is being shoved awkwardly to the right... – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 03:00, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@PhilipTerryGraham: so add a {{clear}} template at the end of the section? Like it or not, removing an acceptable illustrative image purely for layout reasoning is disruptive and a sign of ownership. There's absolutely no problem with including a screenshot; it illustrates the gameplay as described in the section as well as the visual style that's discussed in the development section. JOEBRO64 04:14, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
{{Clear}} only creates a massive gap, which also looks awful. Do we need an image to illustrate what can easily be described in words? Non-free content policy asks if "the subject be adequately conveyed by properly sourced text without using the non-free content at all?" We don't really need an image to illustrate the game has a top-down perspective, as the image was originally used to illustrate. We don't need to rush to slap an image onto an article when there is nothing it can illustrate yet. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 04:26, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@PhilipTerryGraham: this has nothing to do with WP:THEREISNODEADLINE and WP:NONFREE. The image is used to provide visual aid and illustrate the overall gameplay, thus satisfying the non-free content requirements, and it is not "too soon" to place an image in the article. Furthermore, that second point and your statement that "{{Clear}} only creates a massive gap, which also looks awful" gives me all the more reason to think you think you own the article. You can only justify your change by saying you don't like it. Wikipedia is supposed to be a collaborative project, not "I wrote the article so I have the right to review and get rid of every change I don't like." JOEBRO64 11:18, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That’s unfair. You say Wikipedia is a collaborative project, but at the same time because I created the article, my opinion on the article’s quality is somehow lesser than others and not equal. You’re explicitly choosing not to assume good faith and saying I’m policing people’s opinions, instead of making an argument as to why we should make the article look awful in service of an image that a) does not “provide visual aid and illustrate the overall gameplay” that text alone can’t in this case and b) preemptively illustrates parts of gameplay not yet covered in the article due to a lack of sources at this time. This is true regardless of whoever says it, whether it be me or another editor. – PhilipTerryGraham (talk · articles · reviews) 12:18, 8 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#Sakura Wars

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#Sakura Wars. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:42, 12 April 2019 (UTC)Template:Z48[reply]

DYK for Shadow the Hedgehog

On 14 April 2019, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Shadow the Hedgehog, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Shadow the Hedgehog. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Shadow the Hedgehog), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Materialscientist (talk) 00:17, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Precious anniversary

A year ago ...
video games
... you were recipient
no. 1909 of Precious,
a prize of QAI!

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 05:59, 20 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Talk:Project Sakura Wars#Sonic Team

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Project Sakura Wars#Sonic Team. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 19:12, 20 April 2019 (UTC)Template:Z48[reply]

Your GA nomination of Super Mario All-Stars

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Super Mario All-Stars you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Abryn -- Abryn (talk) 13:20, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Your GA nomination of Super Mario All-Stars

The article Super Mario All-Stars you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Super Mario All-Stars for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Abryn -- Abryn (talk) 19:22, 5 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Concerning Sonic the Hedgehog

Hello. Given that we've worked on Sonic the Hedgehog articles in the past, I'm thinking about joining forces to make the series a good and eventually, featured topic. Thoughts? Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 02:29, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Sjones23, definitely! I have a few drafts for Sonic articles that I'm planning on getting to work on again soon. I think I'll try the main one first. JOEBRO64 19:14, 9 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Sjones23, I've been starting to ramp up my efforts on the Sonic the Hedgehog article at User:TheJoebro64/drafts/STH. You're more than welcome to help. JOEBRO64 16:32, 18 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Death of Superman

In Dan Jurgens' afterward in the semi-recent Superman Blue reprint, he talks about how the changes to Superman's costume and powerset had been considered for the "Death of" storyline, but ultimately not used. Might make for an interesting addition to the article if you have access. I can get you a scan, but it might take a while. Argento Surfer (talk) 20:10, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Argento Surfer, thanks for the heads-up! Coincidentally, I'm getting ready to get back to the Death of Superman right now. I'll see if I can get a copy myself first. JOEBRO64 21:40, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#Sakura Wars series

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games#Sakura Wars series. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 06:08, 16 May 2019 (UTC)Template:Z48[reply]

User: Internet Informant inquiry against accusations of Sockpuppetry

In response to your inquiry about 'sock-puppet accounts' I have done no such thing. I'm sorry you think that but I have only ever done edits whilst logged into my account regardless of the IP addresses. If there was a time I was blocked and then made edits it's because of the accusations against me for 'edit-warring'. I'm not intending for any such things to happen; I just bit off more than I could chew and I upset people without meaning to do that at all. I try to fight biases but every so often that's detrimental to the Wikipedia policies which have been used against me even when I'm trying to fight back such pitiful sensitivity and exploitative behavior online. I'm not meaning to perpetuate such activity: I'm just trying to maintain my freedom and expansion of the contents on Wikipedia. I know that I should edit smaller and then work my way up. I've done this for years but I've only done passive editing of articles, and when I edit something as contentious as Star Wars or Alex Jones people try to counter that contribution even though I've cited the necessary information. So in conclusion, I'm innocent of these accusations. I've done no such thing as this sock puppetry: I've only ever used this one account and nothing else, though I have used different, and publicly visible, IP addresses in the past.Internet Informant (talk) 06:28, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Internet Informant: yeah, I meant to apologize for that. I kind of overreacted when I saw that other account. I know you're here trying to help and understand we all make mistakes sometimes. I hope you can forgive me. JOEBRO64 10:11, 17 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Super Mario All-Stars

Hello:

The copy edit you requested from the Guild of Copy Editors of the article Super Mario All-Stars has been completed.

Please let me know if you have any questions or concerns.

Best of luck with the FA process.

Regards,

Twofingered Typist (talk) 20:11, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Yooka-Laylee

Hey there, I‘ve seen you‘ve removed Yooka-Laylee from the GAN page because I am no major contributor to the article. I just wanted to let you know that‘s not the case. While I haven’t contributed to the article in a while, I wrote the entire lede, plot and reception sections back in they day and they haven’t changed much tbh. I wanted to bring it up to GA status back in 2017 but then life got in the way and I never followed through on it. Also, the problems from the last GAN are rather minor and I would love to work on them with a reviewer. So would you mind putting it back up for GAN? DasallmächtigeJ (talk) 08:16, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@DasallmächtigeJ, done, but I still don't think the article is ready for GA status. Gameplay is unsourced, development seems to be missing some key sources, and the reception section is filled with tons of single-sentence subsections. I recommend withdrawing the nomination for further work. JOEBRO64 15:51, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Breath of the Wild

"the game will be inspired by X" *heavily implies* that it is a major source of inspiration. The source does *not* state this, it is stated as just one inspiration for *some* of the developers. All my wording does is makes this explicit and clear. You need to provide a better reason for making a statement more confusing and unclear than "it saves a couple of words". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Denziloe (talk • contribs) 23:09, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Denziloe, saying "the game will be inspired by..." doesn't conflict with the source. It literally just means that RDD2 will be inspiration. It doesn't say it was a huge influence or a minor one, just that it is one. Your revision was overwritten and made the sentence read awkwardly. JOEBRO64 19:43, 17 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not saying it can't technically be interpreted in a way that is consistent with the source, I'm saying that the current wording is open to misinterpretation by readers. Therefore I'm recommending clarification. All that Anouma says himself is that a lot of the younger devs are playing Red Dead 2. "The game will be inspired by Red Dead 2" is patently not a particularly good summary of that statement.
If your only complaint is that my wording was clumsy, then I will attempt another rewording (as close as I can get to a direct restatement of what is actually contained in the source). If you still don't like the rewording, you are welcome to improve it. If you remove it, I'll elevate it to the article's talk page. Okay?

Batman: Damned

Hi joe bro,

You only see the outline of Batman’s genitals, the entire thing is not visible. It’s not like Dr. Manhattan where that would very much qualify as “full frontal”. Many readers online even said they read Damned issue 1 without noticing because it was so obscured.

I am not taking clickbait sources into account on what they saw because we both know headlines that have “outline of Batman’s penis” vs “BATMAN IS NAKED LOOK AT IT” are vastly different in how many clicks they will generate, and really that’s all they are about. It is why Bleeding Cool is still making new articles about it, 9 months later.

I said it’s non canon, but I can see how some people don’t think that matters. But it is absolutely not a full rendering of his genitals.

It still classifies as full frontal though, even if it's obscured. It is complete nudity, and reliable sources call it such. JOEBRO64 16:39, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Reliable? More than your own eyes? Whatever. It’s clearly not but I’m not going to argue with you anymore. This is a good example of why Wikipedia is ridden with false info these days (way more than it usually is) - stubborn mods that can’t fathom the possibility they’re wrong. Bye. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.113.14.224 (talk) 14:27, 26 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry you feel that way but that's not how Wikipedia works. We write based on what reliable sources say. The sources cited are considered reliable, so we go by what they say. It's as simple as that. JOEBRO64 14:04, 30 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ok then. So if I find “reliable” sources saying they feel it is just a silouette, could a paragraph be added saying “some found the controversy overblown...”? I have one already:
www.polygon.com/platform/amp/comics/2018/9/19/17871390/batman-penis
And Bermejo himself calls it “shadowy” on the Bat Force podcast. How many sources would be needed?
Also note that there have also been several major characters that have appeared naked without fanfare: Spider-Man, elektra, bullseye, Jim Gordon, Vampirella. I think a paragraph speaking to a great portion of fans like myself that think the controversy was an enormous click bait tells the story of Batman: Damned the best. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.113.14.224 (talk) 18:29, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The Polygon source is definitely worth adding. However, I still think full frontal is the most accurate way to describe the scene. "Full-frontal" really just means complete nudity, which is what the scene was. JOEBRO64 23:18, 16 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I mean that could be in the revision too. Something along the lines of:

“However a number of fans felt that the outrage was unjustified and overblown- feeling that the genitals were barely visible, little more than an outline. To this point, some readers even missed the nudity while reading the book the first time (polygon source). Many also felt the overblown nature of the controversy overshadowed what had been an outstanding quality of work done by both Azzarello and Bermejo.”

I could also add some of Bermejos quotes from the batforce podcast about some of the internal backlash at DC, which are interesting.

That'd be fine. Also, could you provide me a link to the podcast? That sounds really interesting. JOEBRO64 21:23, 23 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sure. Just put the edit in.

https://soundcloud.com/batforceradio/batforceradioep195-lee-bermejo-talks-batman-damned-3

A barnstar for you!

The Teamwork Barnstar
Thanks for your thorough review of Spider-Man (2018 video game), you helped make it a better article that can hopefully go on to become a Featured Article soon! Darkwarriorblake / SEXY ACTION TALK PAGE! 23:07, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Darkwarriorblake: thank you soooo much! Spider-Man is truly a wonderful article and I think it'll be great FA material. I'm a big fan of your work and have looked to it in the past for inspiration—keep it up! JOEBRO64 23:10, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Topic ban

Hey mate. I've got a draft for a topic ban here. This is new territory for me so any feedback is welcome. Let me know if I'm missing something or if I'm going into too much detail somewhere. Oh and feel free to point out any other things he's done that I should mention. I'm about to go to sleep; I've left message for a feedback for a couple people. I'll probably initiate the ban proposal after checking feedback tomorrow. Cheers. Damien Linnane (talk) 14:12, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Damien Linnane: I'm going to comment right now on AN. JOEBRO64 17:42, 2 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RE: Yo (Batman: Damned)

I skimmed over the summary of the third issue to avoid spoilers (my copy hasn't arrived yet), but in relation to the rest of the article:

  • While this wouldn't immediately disqualify the article for GA, Bleeding Cool has a mixed track record in terms of reliability and has been disputed by a few editors as a reliable source. Still, most of the BC sources used seem to provide exactly where they are getting their information from (solicitations, ETC), so you should be good.
    • All of the other sites used are clearly reliable, so nothing to worry about there.
  • The Publication history section is definitely GA quality. Very detailed and covers the topic in its entirety.
  • To reach FA quality, the Reception section would need to be expanded a bit to describe what elements were criticised and praised about the comic.

Overall I think it is GA quality, but the Reception section is a little bare bones. DarkKnight2149 07:14, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Darkknight2149: thanks for the feedback! I'm planning to expand the reception section soon, I'm just gathering reviews right now. Thank you for taking your time on this. If there's anything you need reviewing for I'd be glad to do so. JOEBRO64 11:14, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
We should probably move DC Black Label to Joker Black Label. 90% of it is Joker comics, haha. On a serious note, I'm about to finish what I began typing on the Superman: Year One (as well as the other stuff I've been slowly working on for a year now). DarkKnight2149 23:54, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Darkknight2149: I think DC Black Label should actually be called Fuck Vertigo because DC thinks it should replace one of its most iconic and long-lasting brands with one that only got clout for showing Batman's manhood. Jokes aside, let me know when you're done with Supes, I'll be more than happy to help with nurturing it. JOEBRO64 11:32, 13 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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