Talk:Monsterverse

Semi-protected edit request on 5 December 2023

In December 2023, it was announced that Antonio Di Iorio will co-compose the score with Holkenborg. 2A02:214A:8014:B700:1594:1F58:9B9C:26F4 (talk) 06:47, 5 December 2023 (UTC)

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 Not done for now: Please let me know where you'd like this to be placed and what score it is you're looking to add. Thanks, Lewcm Talk to me! 11:29, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

It's "Monsterverse" not "MonsterVerse"

The brand is Monsterverse without a capital "V." It's a common misunderstanding due to the logo design. If you view items on the official Legendary Shop. When written it's written as "Monsterverse." Same with official publicity releases from Legendary. Legndary VI (talk) 01:56, 7 December 2023 (UTC)

Hmm, you seem to be right. But best if a formal RM was initiated. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:19, 9 December 2023 (UTC)

Hey InfiniteNexus, Im new to updating Wiki's. How do you go about that? 67.224.102.149 (talk) 01:51, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

Please see WP:RM for info on this :) Lewcm Talk to me! 11:28, 15 December 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2024

New Godzilla x Kong: The Hunted graphic novel by Brian Buccellato is being released on March 24 and should be added to list of comics in the Other Media section.

Source: https://www.amazon.com/Godzilla-Kong-Hunted-Brian-Buccellato/dp/1681161281/ref=mp_s_a_1_6?crid=3R3M5TABANSE5&keywords=godzilla+x+kong&qid=1706218064&sprefix=godzilla+x+kong+%2Caps%2C165&sr=8-6 Nubguy (talk) 21:31, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

Already done. Barry Wom (talk) 09:50, 26 January 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 31 March 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Much of the discussion centered on the question of which style was the WP:COMMONNAME, and on that specific question, I don't see a consensus as having emerged. However, it was also noted that MOS:TM prefers the lowercase form as long as that form is in widespread use. The disputed nature of the COMMONNAME question demonstrates that both styles are widespread, which leaves MOS:TM as the deciding factor. (closed by non-admin page mover) ModernDayTrilobite (talk • contribs) 14:02, 8 May 2024 (UTC)

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MonsterVerse → Monsterverse – The trademarked name is Monsterverse with a lowercase "v". If you view the Monsterverse website, you will see at this at the bottom by the copyright information. Furthermore, the official X profile uses a lowercase "v". ScottSullivan01 (talk) 19:05, 31 March 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 10:19, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

• Preliminary oppose. Although I believe the common name may be Monsterverse, no proof has been provided of anything but the official name. O.N.R. ^(talk) 22:34, 31 March 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose A quick Google showed that the common name is either MonsterVerse or they are both so similarly used that there is no reason to change the status quo. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 12:41, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

  Comment/Reply: A quick Google search also shows the official website (not all the fan Wikis) where the title is lowercased. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 19:34, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support – The "normal" way appears to be more common in sources than the camel-case version (e.g. the only version in n-grams is the normal one). Per MOS:TM, normal is preferred. Dicklyon (talk) 03:44, 2 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support - This is a no-brainer for me, official sources use Monsterverse, while MonsterVerse seems to be an outlier. Captain Chalo (talk) 15:30, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
• Comment: The official website's logo actually makes it look like the "V" is capitalized, as seen here. I wonder if this is a key reason why some reliable sources write it as "MonsterVerse". Erik (talk | contrib) ^{(ping me)} 13:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

  Then phrase it as The Monsterverse (stylized as MonsterVerse) is an....

  Either way, lowercase V is official. ScottSullivan01 (talk) 23:02, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Tokusatsu, WikiProject Media franchises, WikiProject Horror, and WikiProject Film have been notified of this discussion. – robertsky (talk) 10:20, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: The when originally announced it was done so with a capital "V". Doing a search on Google, shows that many reliable sources call it this as well.--DisneyMetalhead (talk) 00:44, 14 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support Whether the "V" is capitalized or not has negligible effect on recognizability. A COMMONNAME argument is moot. Per my previous comments, this indeed appears to be the official name, per [1] [2] [3] [4] [5]. The fact that many sources are using an incorrect name is irrelevant. InfiniteNexus (talk) 06:43, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support per Infinite and ScottSullivan. This is the WP:OFFICIALNAME, which holds more weight than what the logo is stylized as. That could be noted, though is not necessary. Google is not the sole determinator of what is reliable, commonly used, or what is correct, either. I'm not convinced by those arguments citing that rationale. Trailblazer101 (talk) 06:11, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Monarch

The Monarch show has been renewed for a second season.

please add this information 84.203.95.232 (talk) 22:14, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Up comes

the son of kong can be come The makers have talked about this 2409:4050:2EC5:F688:0:0:F289:DE09 (talk) 16:21, 15 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2024

Change the Godzilla: King of the Monsters section, which lists Sargon, which is not an actual character in the film, it was (from what I can gather) a misreading of a name from someone that visited the set, and then was passed along as truth. It also fails to mention the off screen introductions of Kraken (later identified as Na Kika in the comic Godzilla Dominion, with a separate Kraken being introduced in the Netflix Skull Island cartoon, so this should probably be identified as Na Kika despite being called Kraken in the film), Sekhmet, Yamata no Orochi, Quetzalcoatl, and Amhuluk.

Change the Kong: Skull Island section, which lists the Psychovulture, which does not appear in the film, and was introduced in the tie-in comic Skull Island: The Birth of Kong.

Change the Godzilla vs. Kong section, which fails to mention the introduction of the Rockclaw.

Change the Godzilla x Kong: The New Empire section, which fails to mention the introductions of the Great Ape, the Wart Dog, the Vertacine, the Parrot Frog, the Drownviper, the Tree Mimic, and the on screen debut of Tiamat. 2A00:23C8:2A82:AC01:4426:BF78:4B79:6DDC (talk) 17:30, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. PianoDan (talk) 22:59, 21 May 2024 (UTC)

Sargon was confirmed not to exist.

Got this information directly from multiple people involved in the franchise including Greg Keyes. It is misinformation to add it. Also someone keeps removing titans we know to exist from the list. Lindenhs (talk) 23:04, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

I had a bit of discussion about this on my talk page with Lindenhs. It seems that the Newsweek source on point might not be reliable, so having an alternative source would be better. But I'm not sure that the entire change is justified. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 23:51, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

So is it okay to add the known confirmed characters like Amhuluk, Quetzalcoatl, and Sekhmet whose names are all onscreen in multiple films. Also Amhuluk appears in the official prequel comic for Godzilla vs Kong, Godzilla Dominion. Lindenhs (talk) 23:56, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

Well if you can find a reliable source that supports those additions, and then cite that source, I don't see why not. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 23:59, 19 July 2024 (UTC)

There’s several images and the film’s supporting these characters.

There’s an entire scene in the film showing all confirmed titans in KOTM. No Sargon there.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PB_ScNUHYFk

And here’s Amhuluk’s comic bio from The Monsterverse Omnibus.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/839152498202902591/1164758739157528576/IMG_3788.png?ex=669bcfdb&is=669a7e5b&hm=150797fadd46bc645009db992d0f0bb0569ecb342d0ec822da6f526cc5f1b4f4& Lindenhs (talk) 00:05, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

YouTube videos are generally not reliable, especially if its just to the film in question. Though plot sumamaries don't typically need sourcing. But given that the movie is being used to support a negative, this feels like a gray area. As for the second item, is that from a book? A website? A picture alone won't do, we need a more complete citation. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 00:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Just using it to show that the existing characters I added shouldn’t be removed as well as they are named onscreen multiple times across several films, not sure how to cite that if needed as adding pics is difficult. As for Sargon that is a definite grey area until I can get a public statement rather then a private one, which I’ll work on.

Just said what it was from, the Monsterverse Omnibus comic collection. Give me a second to link it, apparently kickstarter and Amazon links can’t be used. Lindenhs (talk) 00:19, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

forgot it was renamed to Legends of the Monsterverse

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/enwiki/w/legends-of-the-monsterverse-arvid-nelson/1143653338 Lindenhs (talk) 00:20, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Not trying to be difficult, just trying to figure out what works and doesn’t work for citations. Lindenhs (talk) 00:24, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Before editing further, you should follow Wiki guidelines -- like WP:FAN, WP:QUO, WP:DE, WP:RS, and WP:3RR -- to avoid issues. It seems you're unfamiliar with the proper conduct and procedure on Wiki, so leniency towards you is warranted.

Even if the characters do exist, we need a verified source that confirms them; Per WP:UNSOURCED: "All content must be verifiable". It can't just be any source, they have to be reliable. So it can't be from YouTube or Discord, per WP:UGC. Anyone online can create a profile and claim to be Greg Keyes.

As for the NewsWeek source -- yes, WP:RSPSS does iterate that it's generally considered unreliable yet not forbidden to use since it carries the No-Consensus tag, per WP:MREL. It seems to be a case-by-case situation. Regardless, I found 3 other verified sources that not only support Sargon's existence but other Titans that Lindenhs wanted to add, so we can simply use these sources instead: [6], [7], [8]. Armegon (talk) 19:01, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

These were copy pasted from bloody disgusting which got multiple names and locations wrong Lindenhs (talk) 19:07, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

If they're wrong then you need to provide a verified and reliable source that indisputably corrects the issue. A DM is not acceptable, again per WP:UGC. Armegon (talk) 19:10, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

https://wikizilla.org/enwiki/w/images/3/30/KOTM_-_American_Titans.jpg

https://wikizilla.org/enwiki/w/images/f/f6/KOTM_-_Asian_Titans.jpg Lindenhs (talk) 19:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Here’s screenshots right from the movie Lindenhs (talk) 19:11, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Forgot one

https://wikizilla.org/enwiki/w/thumb.php?f=KOTM_-_European_and_African_Titans.jpg&width=1280 Lindenhs (talk) 19:13, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Just because they don't appear on those shots, doesn't mean Sargon doesn't exist. The names came from journalists that were invited on-set and reported the monster names they saw. Again, three additional outlets reported Sargon's existence. If you can provide a reliable source that disputes Sargon's existence, not a DM or comment thread that can easily be faked, then it would be easily removed.

Also, you have to follow WP:QUO. Stop restoring your edit. No consensus has yet been reached. If you continue to be disruptive, you will be reported and potentially blocked. I have already given a few fair warnings. STOP EDIT WARRING. Armegon (talk) 19:17, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

All those titans are mentioned in the novels at least once, Mokele g

is a major character in the KOTM one.

Amhuluk has appeared in multiple comics as a rival to Behemoth. Lindenhs (talk) 19:22, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

For the record I’m an admin on a wiki and I talk to people involved in the MV like Keyes publicly. I don’t share information unless it’s confirmed.

all these characters have been known since KOTM for 10 years so all I’m trying to do is update outdated information and help. So seriously not sure what the issue is… you can go check multiple sources to find this information and show that the articles you read are completely outdated Lindenhs (talk) 19:26, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

The issue so far is that you've been disruptive -- acting out. If you're an "admin" then you should be aware of the importance of following rules and guidelines. So far you have ignored all the guidelines shared with you and ignored all the warnings posted on your talk page. You may be an admin elsewhere but you are not above the rules here. Proceeding with your current disruptive behavior will not end well for you. So follow WP:QUO -- though I recommend reading all the ones shared with you -- and stop restoring your unsourced edits.

Again, if there are verifiable/reliable sources confirming your claims then they would be accepted. Again, from verifiable/reliable sources per WP:BURDEN and WP:RS. Again, anyone can claim to be Keyes online. Not that hard making a sock account on social media. Asking us to take your word for it is not acceptable.

All you've been asking is to have your edits accepted without citing verifiable/reliable sources or us having to do the research for you. Again per WP:BURDEN, the burden is completely on you to back up your edits.

WP:RSPSS can help you identify which sources are reliable and acceptable. Armegon (talk) 22:38, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

I can share my instagram where the actual Keyes and I follow each other, and he has backed up things for me publicly in the past.

fir example on a post talking about Godzilla actually being only 5-2 million years old as the 250 million years old thing was retconned ages ago.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Cb-OJnLuhs3V3bz09cAyBTvDa6VmYOxGdqk6l00/?igsh=bXprMm9oZThlMXB5 Lindenhs (talk) 22:50, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

You can see his account here:

https://www.instagram.com/gregkeyes1?igsh=MWQwbGpuaHN0MjdidQ== Lindenhs (talk) 22:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

I also have Drew Edward Johnson who I’ve spoken too on other posts about characters in the comics he did the art for such as Amhuluk.

https://www.instagram.com/p/COJWvDYAITFpPBqodf1Ow2-I29k-oTDuvvb32I0/?igsh=MTk5dDhsbmZyc2ZhaA== Lindenhs (talk) 22:52, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

As I’ve said I talk to the actual people and you can check that as they have commented on posts I’ve made, and you can check that they are the official accounts. Lindenhs (talk) 22:53, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

I really wouldn't recommend sharing your IG here (even if it's private) just to show us you're friends with someone who may or may not be who they are -- again, people can create fake accounts. And again, WP:UGC states that citing social medias and forums are unacceptable. Why is that difficult for you to grasp?

Below it, WP:SELFSOURCE doubles down by stating that "Self-published or questionable sources may be used as sources of information about themselves". So if we were editing an article about Greg Keyes's life then citing posts from his verified socials may be acceptable.

But we're not. We're editing an article about the Monsterverse. It's also pointless to cite the filmmakers's socials because secondary (and reliable) sources do exist confirming the off-screen Titans. Those are the sources we're suppose to be citing. Armegon (talk) 23:30, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Forgot it’s set on private, but you can easily verify for yourself by checking their official accounts and messaging them.

im pretty certain Legendary’s official and verified account isn’t going to be following fake accounts. Lindenhs (talk) 23:51, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

For what its worth, I do think that the mention of Sargon seems to have been derived from a joke about the rather distasteful Sargon of Akkad of internet infamy, rather than the actual source material. While we say what secondary sources say, we don't have to parrot them if we have clear evidence that they're wrong. Now, I still don't see where the other monsters are coming from, so without a source I wouldn't add new ones to the list. But I don't see an issue with removing Sargon. CaptainEek ^{Edits Ho Cap'n!}⚓ 06:41, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

The others are coming directly from the films, novels, and comics, as well as other extended material.

i can try getting scans or transcripts, or you can get the books online or on as an audiobook. The comics are also available. Or I can get film timestamps?

Like this is all readily available online or as a physical copy.

Abaddon for example is rumored to be making his first full appearance in the new Monsterverse Declassified comic, and is in the cover though not detailed.

Im legitimately trying to figure out how the actual movie that is in question here isn’t itself a source… all these names are directly onscreen and visible in all three recent films from KOTM to GXK. Lindenhs (talk) 07:03, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

You know what? This is gonna be embarrassing for me but I’m gonna walk back on my original argument. I decided to list and count the monsters from those screenshots for the hell of it and found that outside of Godzilla, I count 17 monsters. And they do say “17 and counting after Gojira”. My dumbass always assumed the list was incomplete. So I no longer have issue with removing Sargon, but perhaps a footnote could be provided that secondary sources named such a character but doesn’t appear in any way on film or in spin-off media. Armegon (talk) 15:05, 21 July 2024 (UTC)

Sargon was either a bad joke thrown in or a typo like Abandon (Abaddon) and Typhoon (Typhon), considering they have multiple typos (and get multiple locations wrong) I think it isn’t worth leaving in Sargon, who is probably just a typo of Scylla or Sekhmet as those are the only ones who have “S” names.

Though the fact they say it’s in Mexico kind of kills that typo theory and supports that it’s a reference to Carl Benjamin. Lindenhs (talk) 15:33, 21 July 2024 (UTC)