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Montenegro Airlines flag carrier status

Can you please explain to me why you put "citation needed" tag on the sentence where it states Montenegro Airlines is the flag carrier of Montenegro? There is no citation for Air France being the flag carrier of France, or for Lufthansa being the flag carrier of Germany. I could go on, but there's no need. It's unclear to me why you would think YM isn't the flag carrier of Montenegro. Zastavafan76 (talk) 14:41, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Because of WP:V. If you think the other airlines you mention have their flag carrier status unsupported, you can go and add the same tag to their articles. I have reinstated the tag you removed. Let me remind you that removing maintenance templates is considered vandalism.--Jetstreamer Talk 14:48, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Please, you don't need to make me look stupid. I am not going to put citation tags on other articles as "revenge" for the citation tag on this article. Also, I do not think that articles of large western carriers lack citation evidence of flag carrier status, I just don't see what calls for a citation needed tag. When you said that the article doesn't support the flag carrier status, I realized that the only evidence of government favoritism was given through a source from the airline's main website (in the history section). You may or may have not noticed it, but I kept on deleting the citing tag because you didn't say whether there was any very-noticeable reason/lack of evidence to put it there. I just added two more independent sources that cited state aid/protection to the airline, although it would be useful to tell me which kind and how many sources do I need to put to affirm that flag carrier title. Zastavafan76 (talk) 00:38, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Flag carrier includes a citation you should use in the article we're talking about. It was added by myself to that article, as many others were. It will be my pleasure to include it in Montenegro Airlines for yourself. You just have to search in order to find...--Jetstreamer Talk 00:44, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Well I see you found it yourself. That was generous. Thanks Zastavafan76 (talk) 01:00, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Please Stop

Please stop putting wrong information on Uzbekistan Airways, thank you, half of the information there is wrong! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.47.225 (talk) 20:00, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

All my edits are supported by references, unlike yours. You don't seem to understand the verifiability policy. Will request protection for the page. You should also sign your post by placing --~~~~ after your comments...--Jetstreamer Talk 20:27, 2 August 2012 (UTC)

Your sources are wrong please use planespotters.net to correct them, because your sources are wrong! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.47.225 (talk) 04:03, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

About Uzbekistan Airways again

Please use Planespotters.net as your resource and correct Uzbekistan Airways fleet section info, thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.47.225 (talk) 04:06, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

Uzbekistan Airways

In mid-2007, the carrier ordered six Airbus A320s; by that time the fleet was 55 strong, comprising 10 different aircraft models; the Russian-built Yak-40 was among them.[9] Two Boeing 787-8s, worth US$70 million, were ordered in October the same year.[10], do you really think 787 order is accurate and please check the source number 10 and read it, because 70 million was for the engines only. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.32.47.225 (talk) 04:30, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

You're right on this. The page has been fully proptected, so only administrators can edit it. It also means that our differences are expected to be solved at the article's talk page. I therefore invite you to continue discussing here.--Jetstreamer Talk 11:39, 3 August 2012 (UTC)

el al post

Dear Jetstreamer - you have told me I submitted incorrect information to a post on El Al's page. The information was NOT incorrect. Please resotre the information I left. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.80.71.90 (talk) 08:27, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

Your addition is not supported by the source you provided.--Jetstreamer Talk 22:25, 5 August 2012 (UTC)

jetstreamer -

you wanted a source http://www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/el-al-plan-luton-tel-aviv-flights

now please restore the edition I made regarding El Al flying to Stanstead. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.80.71.90 (talk) 12:20, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

 Done Thanks for providing the source.--Jetstreamer Talk 12:39, 6 August 2012 (UTC)

Cubana de Aviación Flight 9646

I saw you did this article. It was a crash I have been meaning to do but have put off repeatedly. Just a couple of comments...

  • I added a section on the cause of the crash. The source- David Gero's book Aviation Disasters.
  • I also did a couple of other tweaks, one of which was how much the winds were gusting at the time of the crash. This again was according to Gero's book. You may want to IC the speed of the winds using Gero's book. I tried to do it, but it was messing up the article. As always, feel free to fix up my work. Cheers!...William 14:44, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
The article was started because the number of fatalities is to date the highest for an accident taking place at Cuba, just above Aeroflot Flight 331. I added a link to Cubana's crash when editing the latter article and it actually appeared as a red one. Your contributions are always welcome. Regards.--Jetstreamer Talk 14:56, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Fare Codes

Please can you have a look at this - Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 08:41, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Biman Bangladesh Airlines codeshare agreement

Hi, Since you frequently check on Biman Bangladesh Airlines and its destinations, I would like to inform you that Biman has a lot of codeshare agreement with other airlines, but the wikipedia page has no information about its codeshares. Biman has codeshares with Gulf Air, Qatar Airways, Emirates, Saudia and many more airlines, according to its Official Website. Would you update the information or should I?

Happy Editing!

Ahnaaf (talk) 16:44, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

You are right. Codeshares are missing. I'll add that section. Thanks for the data. Regards.--Jetstreamer Talk 17:09, 25 July 2012 (UTC)
Hi. Any news on the codeshare agreements? Please refer to the official website has vital information. If you need, you can contact me!

Cheers! ~Ahnaaf (talk) 15:28, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Any news on the codeshare agreements? Please refer to the official website has vital information. If you need, you can contact me!

Cheers! ~Ahnaaf (talk) 15:28, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Any news on the codeshare agreements? Please refer to the official website has vital information. If you need, you can contact me!

Cheers! ~Ahnaaf (talk) 15:28, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Any news on the codeshare agreements? Please refer to the official website has vital information. If you need, you can contact me!

Cheers! Ahnaaf (talk)Ahnaaf (talk) 15:28, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Hi. Any news on the codeshare agreements? Please refer to the official website has vital information. If you need, you can contact me!

Cheers! Ahnaaf (talk)Ahnaaf (talk) 15:28, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Biman's website does not include any information about codeshare agreements. Separately, you don't need to post the same comment several times, as one is more than enough.--Jetstreamer Talk 23:35, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

User deserving a blocking

{{admin-help}} Hi there! Don't you think these contributions deserve more than just the level-1 warning I left in their talk page? Thanks.--Jetstreamer Talk 20:48, 12 August 2012 (UTC) {{admin!}}

I've placed a sockpuppet investigation regarding the above user. Can you please tell me if it has been correctly done? I asked for an admin intervention as well regarding the user's recent activity. Thanks in advance for your replies.--Jetstreamer Talk 00:49, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
Separately, this IP user keeps disregarding the Manual of Style, despite being warned many times that their edits go against it.--Jetstreamer Talk 21:03, 12 August 2012 (UTC)
C.Fred has reverted all remaining edits and left the airline page editor a note... Consider reporting these to WP:AIV in the future for faster responses than admin-help.  7  04:19, 13 August 2012 (UTC)
I've untranscluded the admin help tag, as this appears to be resolved. Qwyrxian (talk) 10:42, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Recent Deletion

Hi Jetstreamer.

I'm here right now to tell you why I recently removed you post on Wikiproject airlines. The reason why I deleted your post is because I know the person that keeps saying the 787 Dreamliner is already delivered to Ethiopian Airlines. I know AerospaceAirAviation in person, and the reason he keeps saying it's delivered is because he is overly excited that they are the 3rd to operate in the world, and the 1st in Africa to operate instead of Kenya. Also, he doesn't want the page to have full protection. The day it's delivered, he told me that he wanted to be the one that will post that they got their first 787 Dreamliner. Give him another chance please. I'll be sure to keep an eye on him and the page. Just do it for me and not for him I appreciate it! --KevinMichaelBradley1996 (talk) 01:54, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Please Calm Down

When reediting my mistakes, and telling me why I was wrong, please reply in a calm matter. Yes, so I did add incorrect information, but that doesn't mean you have to say my editing appeared to be Vandalism when it was just a simple mistake even a bone-head like you could make sometimes. Your message, "Delivery of the First Dreamliner is scheduled to take place on 17 August, according to a reference provided in the article." I have SO MANY references that it scheduled delivery was today, because its flying out to DC, and back to Addis with 250 select customers, and VIPs! You could've included the references saying it'll be delivered today! I gonna keep including my changes whether you like it or not. Your not the only one that keeps an eye on that page! I do to so don't think your the only one keeping an eye on that page! I'm Ethiopian, and I have an uncle who's a pilot for that airline. So that's how I know it'll be delivered today.

As of 9:19 AM Pacfic Time, 8/14/2012, I have finished reeditting the Ethiopian Airlines page, and included NUMEROUS references unlike you were able to do! Is that so hard for you? Your supposed to be an administrator. We are supposed to admire and look up to you? But after this, I'm done looking up to you and admiring you.

  1. This reference you added clearly says the airline will take delivery of the first Dreamliner next week. Don't you think that such an event will be much publicised, specially by the airline, if it had already occurred? That there's no official press releases neither from the aircraft manufacturer nor from the airline is enough evidence for not suppoorting your claims. The official delivery of the first aircraft didn't occur yet. Apart from that, your addition of “numerous” references as you say violates WP:CITECLUTTER.
  2. I'm not an administrator, and even if I was one, administrators don't have special privileges regarding the normal edition of articles.
  3. WP:V states that every change you made to Wikipedia is expected to be supported by reliable sources, not by your personal knowledge. I strongly encourage you to familiarise yourself with the policies and guidelines. press release.
  4. You should sign your posts. I don't expect anyone to admire me, but I do expect for every user to sign their comments as a courtesy. --Jetstreamer Talk 17:23, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

If you had eyes, you'll notice these two articles CLEARLY stat it was delivered to them, one of which, IS FROM THE AIRLINE ITSELF IF YOU ARE TO BLIND TO SEE! http://travel.usatoday.com/flights/story/2012-08-12/Ethiopian-Airlines-to-become-third-to-fly-Boeing-Dreamliner/57014588/1 http://www.ethiopianairlines.com/en/news/prarchive.aspx?id=325%7Cpublisher=Ethiopian Airlines . You can keep reeditting it because I'll keep doing it as well until you face facts that your dumb, I'm right, and you forfeit! Sorry but, you can't always win you know. Life's rough... I know more about Ethiopian Airlines than you'll ever know for as long as you live!

This is the latest official press release from the airline itself. Not yet delivered, no matter what you say. This is not about winning or losing, but about providing accurate information. Will request full protection for the page to stop this silly discussion. Separately, you keep leaving your posts unsigned. Furthermore, I warn you about WP:PERSONAL and WP:CIVIL.--Jetstreamer Talk 19:31, 14 August 2012 (UTC)
I came here because of Jetstreamer's post on WikiProject airlines. Jetstreamer is handling this in a calm, respectful manner. AerospaceAirAviation, I think you are the one that needs to calm down and take a break from this discussion. Finally, remember that the saying "Don't make a mountain out of a molehill" is true even of Wikipedia. —Compdude123 23:48, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

By the way, Jetstreamer, there is now a press release on Boeing's website saying that the 787 has now been delivered to Ethiopian Airlines. —Compdude123 05:04, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm including it in the article as a reference. The request protection has been withdrawn. Thanks.--Jetstreamer Talk 13:04, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

Now I have come to apologize to you Jetstreamer. I wasn't right to go off on you like I did. But on ET's page, don't you think it's a good idea to add a reference just incase some users don't believe? I will do so if that is ok! Thanks for your understanding, and I apologize! --Triple A (talk) 13:34, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

No need to apologise, my EthiopiaEthiopian friend! I added a sentence at the introduction of the fleet section —as well as two references— supporting the delivery of the first Dreamliner. Furthermore, I also updated the reference supporting the fleet table, where the Dreamliner has been included. I invite you to take a look and tell me what do you think. I also invite you take a look at Ethiopian Airlines destinations, which I turned into the new layout as per these guidelines. By the way, this edit was very appropriate. Warm regards from  Argentina.--Jetstreamer Talk 13:47, 15 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks alot my ArgentinaArgentinan friend! The Ethiopian Airlines destinations page turned out to be real better! Now there won't be some confusion when you see if that destination is still being operated or terminated. And, this edit, when I last saw it, it said fuel exhaustion. But recently, it said fuel starvation, but I couldn't find who did it! Thanks for your understanding! Also, this reference I found said ET is supposed to retire their 757s and 767s. Is that a good reference to include? Your call! Thanks for your understanding! --Triple A (talk) 13:59, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

ET 757/767 Seating Config

This reference, and this reference shows that Ethiopian Airlines operates a total of nine Boeing 757s, 2 757-200F, and 7 757-200s. On the ET fleet list, it only shows they operate a total of 5 passenger 757-200s. Also on this reference, I found out they had more types of seating configs aside from the others that are currently on the ET fleet section. I did some research and concluded with this: All have P16/Y144: 3

/Y154: 1

/Y155: 2

/Y159: 1

Now for the Boeing 767s, they do have a total according to this reference, and this reference. On this reference, I found all the seat configs except for 2. Reg. ET-AMQ, and ET-AQG. The rest have: P24/Y208: 1

P24/Y210: 1

P24/Y213: 2

P24/Y221: 5

P30/Y190: 1

I would try editing this on my own, but whenever I try, but something happens with the layout. That's why I ask you know to review this, and add it to the ET fleet page. Thanks alot! --Triple A (talk) 17:36, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I'd stick to this official information (reference number 100 in the article), where the airline states it has four 757s and 12 767s on service. I've checked the seat configurations in the table, and they are in agreement with this reference. Please bear in that we should stick to official sources whenever possible.--Jetstreamer Talk 18:01, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

ethiopian airlines

The dates can be checked at amadeus.net but cannot be added in link form to this site, to not allow this info on that basis is ridiculous.119.154.226.167 (talk) 00:30, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Verifiability is a policy. Your edit goes against it.--Jetstreamer Talk 00:42, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

/* Scheduled services */

Please DO SOME GOOGLING before trying to correct others, Ethiopian Airlines will fly to KLIA starting October 31st. http://airlineroute.net/2012/08/16/et-kul-w12/ http://www.2merkato.com/201207241470/ethiopian-airlines-to-fly-to-kuala-lampur

The first of the references you provide is not considered reliable, as discussed at WT:AIRLINE. The second one does not include a firm date. The page has been semi-protected to avoid the inclusuion of content that is not in agreement with the verifiability policy. You should also sign your posts.--Jetstreamer Talk 13:36, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

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Ethiopian Airlines Ordered 777-300ERs?

I'm really sorry that everytime I come onto your page to post something, it always has to be about Ethiopian Airlines. I'm just a huge fan of the airline because that is my flag carrier, I am from that country, and they are the leading african airliner. I looked at this reference and toward the end, I see that the airline has leased two Boeing 777-300ERs from GECAS. And when I looked at this reference under the fleet on order, the airline itself said it ordered 2 777-300ERs, but doesn't state they're leased. No specific type of seating is also included. I try googling it, and I can't find any other article that says whether the airline has ordered or cancelled the order. I thought I come to you for help. And if they did, you should add that to the ET fleet.

And also, is it true that ET is going to start service to Kuala Lumpur via Bangkok? There is no other reference that states it.

Also if you can, you should create a separate page for the ET Cargo like you see for Emirates SkyCargo. It's your choice. You don't need to do it. I'm suggesting. --Triple A (talk) 14:43, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

No problem, you can write me anytime you want. Regarding the aircraft that will be leased from GECAS, they are two Boeing 777Fs. These aircraft are already included in the Cargo Fleet section of the fleet table: a note says that two of them will be leased from GECAS. On the other hand, ET will likely start services to KUL, but there's no official confirmation yet. We should wait for it.--Jetstreamer Talk 19:15, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

GATSA

Did this airline really exist? I'm having trouble finding confirmation.-...William 18:39, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

No results from a search at Flightglobal.--Jetstreamer Talk 18:58, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
I'm going to put it up as a speedy delete then. Possible Hoax. The article is totally unreferenced....William 19:20, 19 August 2012 (UTC)
Not a hoax as it is listed in FAA documents with a call sign but probably not notable unless operations were entirely in Mexico.NiD.29 (talk) 06:23, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

ET Narrowbody Order

According to this reference, looks like Ethiopian Airlines will be ordering some more Boeing 737 Next Generations, as well as some more Boeing 757s. And now I read that their Boeing 767s will be retired on 2017-2018. What do you think about adding this info?

Also, for my last post on your page, ET will not be leasing the Boeing 777-300ERs, but they have converted their order to leasing the Boeing 777F instead? I am confused. --Triple A (talk) 14:12, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

I've updated the retirement date for the 767-300ERs, as per the reference you provided. Regarding the narrowbody order, nothing should be added until there's an official confirmation either from the manufacturer or from the airline, yet no firm order has been placed so far.--Jetstreamer Talk 14:58, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Air France shareholders

Hello,

first of all, excuse my english which is not my mother tongue.

I noticed you have reverted my modification on the Flag carrier article, stating that the percentage applied to the AF-KLM Holding and not the sole AF. But as far as I know, Air France is 100%-owned by the Holding and the French State own shares of the Holding, not the carrier itself.

Isaac Sanolnacov (talk) 07:33, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

Austral Líneas Aéreas Destinations

Hey Jetstreamer Please, for sources, check it here. http://www.flightstats.com/go/FlightStatus/flightStatusByFlight.do;jsessionid=64D3D9CAEA884E549F5CCF776B22900F.web4:8009?airline=%28AR%29+Aerolineas+Argentinas&flightNumber=2492&departureDate=2012-08-24&x=25&y=12

Or (if it doesn't work) look for flight AR2492 and AR2493 departing Friday 24th August. First flight ever to this brand new airport... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Eielef (talk • contribs) 23:11, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

In any case it is a future service. Nevertheless, the source you provide is not reliable.--Jetstreamer Talk 23:29, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

The flights is today. Is not a future service anymore. Check it here if "my sourse is not reliable" and modify the articles you modified. http://www.aerolineas.com.ar/arg/main.asp?idSitio=AR&idPagina=29&idIdioma=es Check flight timetables from Buenos Aires AEP to Río Hondo RHD

DYK for Cubana de Aviación Flight 9646

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 24 August 2012 (UTC)

Vandalism in Turkish Airlines destinations and Aqaba Airport

I think that this is the same person who doing this all mess. He opened 2 more users. What can i do to stop this person?--Friends147 (talk) 13:38, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I will request a temporary semi-protection.--Jetstreamer Talk 13:42, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
The RPP was unsuccessful.--Jetstreamer Talk 21:02, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

I think that the admins need to block this person for 3 days...--Friends147 (talk) 13:45, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

ET Will Start Service to Kuala Lumpur

This reference appears to say Ethiopian Airlines will start service to Kuala Lumpur. I don't know if this is the correct reference your looking for, but I thought it seemed right. I updated the Bole International Airport page providing the reference above. And I am really confused on what you said on ET on my last post. Will they be leasing two of the Boeing 777-300ERs, or did they convert it to the Boeing 777F? --Triple A (talk) 15:12, 27 August 2012 (UTC)

Six Boeing 777Fs are on order, of which two will be leased from GECAS.--Jetstreamer Talk 19:55, 27 August 2012 (UTC)
Ok! Makes sense. So what about the service to Kuala Lumpur. Is that worth adding to the list of ET's scheduled routes? Also, it appeared someone edited part of the ET fleet. They stated the 757 will be retired but didn't state a source. I have removed it. But if that was you, I'm sorry. Would you mind telling the last person who edited it before I edited it to provide a reliable source when updating something? Thank you. --Triple A (talk) 04:49, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
It wasn't me. I never edit as an IP. Regarding the addition of unsourced content, I already warned the IP user.--Jetstreamer Talk 10:36, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
To AerospaceAirAviation, I have added KUL to Ethiopian Airlines destinations as there is now an official press release from the airline itself http://www.ethiopianairlines.com/en/news/pressreleases.aspx?hl= 336 and replaced the reference you provided with the airline's official press release. Snoozlepet (talk) 06:34, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Thank you Jetstreamer! It means alot when I'm getting help from you. Snoozlepet, thank you also for changing my reference. I did not know the airline had an official press release until. But it was good to know! Thanks for the help you too! --Triple A (talk) 13:59, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Alaska Airlines

Dear Jetstreamer,

We want reader to read the article easier, not more complicated. (in the case of Alaska Airlines, which way is easier to read, number or word? If you say word is easier, then I can call you have no brain or you are idiot.)

And it's look like you hate me in personal by editing too much (Naming 202.36.245.23 as sock puppet on wikipedia page is not a smart idea so I expect you remove it asap to respect other people). Yes it's me but so what, it's University network. I need to say sorry that I forget to log in.

Hope you can able to read my message. ANG99 (Talk) 10:42, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

WP:ORDINAL and WP:CIVIL. It seems you forget to log in quite often.--Jetstreamer Talk 10:46, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Aeroflot Flight 1491

I just did my first ever Aeroflot crash article. You may want to look it over so to neaten it up. Also I was going to put the An-10A picture from the Antonov An-10 article into this crash article but I was having trouble. Can you please do it? Thanks....William 19:19, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

 Done Image added. You may want to change the caption if you don't like it. I did not change anything else, but please note that Kharkov was located in the Ukrainian SSR at the time of the accident. Great work!--Jetstreamer Talk 19:36, 28 August 2012 (UTC)


Image

I want to put images of the Airline flag carriers --Camilo Sánchez Talk to me 20:33, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Images are included in each corresponding article. I oppose to your proposal, but will open a discussion here to get some feedback. Do you agree? Of course, you're invited to participate.--Jetstreamer Talk 20:36, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

User:72.89.35.142

You added a {{uw-generic4}} to this user for edits to Djibouti-Ambouli International Airport and Ethiopian Airlines, but it's apparently unclear what the problem was. There are indeed flights on Wednesday and Friday on TK from JIB to IST (#687) and MGQ (#686) starting 5 Sep (not the 4th). I didn't quickly find a reference for the 757 retirements at Ethiopian, but it's not unreasonable. Is the only problem with these that they do not have cites nor edit summaries? If so, it might be useful to clarify that to the user. He seems interested and motivated – just needs a little coaching, as I tried to do with the thread on his talk page to which you added the warning. —[AlanM1(talk)]— 05:53, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the advice. I left a note at the user's talk page.--Jetstreamer Talk 10:33, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

FlyDubai Fleet

Hi Jetstreamer!

I am finally posting something other that Ethiopian Airlines for the first time! :D I invite you to take a look at what I have done to the Flydubai fleet section. I have added some more information, and added a new layout, and I want to see what you thing about it! If there is anything that needs to be added, please do so.

Thanks alot! --Triple A (talk) 01:52, 3 September 2012 (UTC)

Made little changes. In my opinion, the colors for the headings in the fleet table should have more contrast. Didn't modify this, though.--Jetstreamer Talk 12:10, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Aerolineas Argentinas

Hello Jetstreamer. It is clear that you have worked hard and to good effect on the Aerolineas article for WP. Just to explain, therefore, why I reinstated the HS.748. It is because the existing images are all of jet airliners. The HS748 adds variety as a propliner and was used domestically rather than on their international routes. If you would prefer to position the image somewhere else in the article, then please do so! Sincerely RuthAS (talk) 14:31, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

No problem Ruth! Actually, an article having too many images is of least concern. I appreciate that you took the time to drop some lines with an explanation. Very best regards.--Jetstreamer Talk 14:45, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
While we're on the subject of Aerolineas Argentinas, their Flight 644 is the deadliest aviation disaster in Argentine history not Austral Líneas Aéreas Flight 2553. ASN has it listed as such. You might say Aerolineas is an Argentine airline, but if we go on that criteria, Tenerife is the worst US aviation disaster, The Paris DC-10 crash the worst Turkish, etc etc because the carrier was from those countries....William 15:52, 4 September 2012 (UTC)
All examples you provide were scheduled international flights, unlike AU2553 that was a domestic PSS-AEP service flying over Uruguayan territory.--Jetstreamer Talk 18:36, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

LAPA Flight 3142

The accident investigation report[1] says 65 people died in the crash. That total includes persons not on the aircraft....William 17:04, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

The Olive Branch: A Dispute Resolution Newsletter (Issue #1)

Welcome to the first edition of The Olive Branch. This will be a place to semi-regularly update editors active in dispute resolution (DR) about some of the most important issues, advances, and challenges in the area. You were delivered this update because you are active in DR, but if you would prefer not to receive any future mailing, just add your name to this page.

Steven Zhang's Fellowship Slideshow

In this issue:

  • Background: A brief overview of the DR ecosystem.
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  • Survey results: Highlights from Steven Zhang's April 2012 survey
  • Activity analysis: Where DR happened, broken down by the top DR forums
  • DR Noticeboard comparison: How the newest DR forum has progressed between May and August
  • Discussion update: Checking up on the Wikiquette Assistance close debate
  • Proposal: It's time to close the Geopolitical, ethnic, and religious conflicts noticeboard. Agree or disagree?

--The Olive Branch 19:10, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

1950 Aerolíneas Argentinas crash

It is mentioned in Aerolíneas Argentinas accidents and incidents. You have a note about the crash site being unlikely for a Mar del Plata-Buenos Aires flight. Santiago del Estero is unlikely, and its also wrong. The plane crashed near Mar del Cobo. Airdisaster.com says Cobo[2]. A 1950 news article[3] places the crash 20 miles from Mar Del Plata and Mar del Cobo would fit that description. Do you agree with my homework?

I'd suggest changing the reference for that crash to Airdisaster and the site to Mar del Cobo. Let me know what you think....William 01:21, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

British Eagle

There seems to be a similar situation developing on British Eagle as happened with Dan-Air; an ip objecting to the citation overkill template. The ip also seems to object to most of my edits but their reverts/edits don't have summaries that are any help for me to identify their concern except a recent one that accuses me of ownership and reverting. I don't want to get into an edit war - can you think of any other approach other than page protection that would bring a resolution? An editor with a user page I can try and discuss issues with but bthis ip has only been in use for the last couple of days. Would it be worth bringing the issue up at the Airlines task-force? GraemeLeggett (talk) 18:46, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

ANG99 reverts

Could you explain why you did the following reverts?

[4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12]

I'd like to point out that "no edit summary” is not a generally accepted reason for reverting minor changes. Additionally, these seems to be at worst neutral changes, as they're all minor formatting. What is the issue here? Kerfuffler (talk) 03:04, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

The issue is that the user seems to have found the goodness of {{start date and years ago}} and started using it on every article s(he) can. In my opinion, using it once in an infobox is more than enough. Separately, you can go and take a look to the recent and not so recent activity of this user to figure out that their contributions blatantly ignore the notices and warnings made by others, including me.--Jetstreamer Talk 10:30, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
I spent quite a bit of time looking over his(?) edits before I posted here. I'll agree the ordinal thing was misguided, but I see absolutely no sign of bad faith in the edits themselves. Most of the warnings you're talking about are related to edit summaries—while I agree that edit summaries are a good thing, for minor formatting changes they're not that important. And lastly, if your issue is with the content of the change, then your summary for the revert really should reflect that. As it is, a couple of people I pointed at your contrib page actually thought you might be stalking. (I don't think that, but I point it out to illustrate the importance of being clear about what you're doing.) Kerfuffler (talk) 10:51, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
I doubt about good faith based on the Alaska Airlines thread above. Thanks for your comments, anyway.--Jetstreamer Talk 10:58, 7 September 2012 (UTC)

Flag carriers and the case of Norway

Traditionally, the flag carrier of Norway was Braathens SAFE[3], who operated in competition with SAS and dominated the Norwegian market.

In Norway today there are two predominant companies: - SAS (who bought Braathens just as it was going bankrupt) - Norwegian Air Shuttle (Braathens' former regional partner, now run by mostly former Braathens people)

According to the definition of a flag carrier on the Wikipedia page: "A flag carrier is a transportation company, such as an airline or shipping company, that, being locally registered in a given state, enjoys preferential rights or privileges, accorded by the government, for international operations."

... none of them probably deserve that right, and if any, it would be Norwegian, as the Norwegian authorities banned loyalty programmes on Norwegian domestic in order to allow Norwegian to grow into a sizeable competitor to SAS. [1 -- On how they are now considering to lift this] Furthermore, Norwegian is registered in Norway while SAS is not[2].

There are no advantages to SAS or any SAS owned companies afforded in Norway, and there are several international routes served only by Norwegian Air Shuttle. It is therefore, I think, inappropriate to list SAS as a flag carrier for Norway.

[1] http://www.konkurransetilsynet.no/en/news/archive/split-solution-for-airline-loyalty-program/?hl=loyalty

[2] http://www.sasgroup.net/SASGroup/default.asp -- registration at the bottom of this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.186.117.132 (talk) 01:42, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

[3] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Braathens_B737-200_and_British_Airways_757.jpg

The inclusion of SAS is appropriately backed up by a source, in compliance with WP:V.--Jetstreamer Talk 10:19, 16 August 2012 (UTC)
The first source states that SAS was founded in part by an airliner that was considered the Norwegian flag carrier, and had appropriate privileges at the time. Later, as commonly known, Braathens was seen as the flag carrier, and had the same kind of privileges -- as referred to by the second source. That second source is simply stating the same definition of flag carrier which both airline companies do not satisfy. Surely, a source without a direct reference can not be counted as a legitimate source unless it specifically makes a mention of this case in particular. Historical fact should not serve as grounds to state current fact. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.159.110.173 (talk) 01:10, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I have to agree with you. The reference provided only points out the flag-carrier status of SAS at the time of its creation. Nevertheless, I have found an up-to-date reference backing up its flag carrier status, which I already added to the article.--Jetstreamer Talk 10:53, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
Well, that's more or less a quote from SAS itself and implies no formal recognition from any kind of authority. I would remove the reference for Norway until such a source is found, or at least mark it as disputed. I feel that otherwise this is giving information as fact where it has not been established. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.178.112.194 (talk) 04:07, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

My changes

Hi Jetstreamer, sorry if this isnt where im supposed to leave messages ( im not a heavy wiki user) the changes i made to the biman bangladesh page are based on the fact that it states that 2 aircraft are stored for the dc10 and 3 for the fokker and the section i edited was titled 'active' therefore if they are stored they are not active therefore cannot be included in active fleet, also the change regarding the a310 from 3 down to 2 is the recent end of the lease to one of the a310 aircraft of Biman ( the one in the green livery) this i took from Bangladesh Aviation Hub

2.102.190.53 (talk) 23:30, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

It's ok, you left the message in the right place. Regarding your recent edits to Biman Bangladesh Airlines, please bear in mind that a stored aircraft still belongs to the fleet. Separately, all changes should be supported by references.--Jetstreamer Talk 23:47, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

{{adminhelp}} Hi there. In my opinion, this issue will be better solved by anyone being an administrator at both English Wikipedia and Commons. I found User:Carlosjavierravelo to be uploading copyrighted images belonging to others. More specifically, I have identified so far the following images to have been uploaded (to Commons?) as if they were taken by the user himself (the source for each image is in parenthesis).

For the same reasons, I suppose the following image is also a copyright violation, yet I did not find the original source for it at Airliners.net.

Hope someone will know the way to proceed. Thanks.--Jetstreamer Talk 20:18, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

User:Russavia is an administrator at Commons. I already informed him about this situation. Is that enough?--Jetstreamer Talk 21:18, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
That should be enough; where you've found someone doing a lot, as here, best to contact one of their admins. For an isolated case, if you have unified login so that you have an account on Commons, it's actually quite easy to nominate files for deletion there. Under "Toolbox", on the left on the file description page, there is a link "Nominate for deletion" where you just fill in a reason and it does it all for you - much easier than filing an AfD here! For copyright, where it's clear or you know the source, you can use their version of speedy deletion: just put {{copyvio|1=Reason}} or {{copyvio|source=URL}} on the file description page. The instruction page is commons:Commons:Deletion policy. JohnCD (talk) 22:06, 11 September 2012 (UTC)
As usual, your replies are full of tricks I actually did not know. Thank you very much!--Jetstreamer Talk 22:12, 11 September 2012 (UTC)

British Airways destinations

The change you removed was necessary as there is an inconsistency with the "Friedrichshafen Airport" wikipedia page, which needs to be labelled until resolved by citations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.232.131.238 (talk) 08:39, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

It hadn't to be resolved but removed, as the information you're referring to was unsourced. Actually, I already removed all the content of the article not supported by references.--Jetstreamer Talk 14:14, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Varig slogan

Hello Jetstreamer! I think it is wrong to undo my update on Varig's page. It's a fact that "Varig, Varig, Varig." was the company slogan during decades, being abandoned just a couple of years before it's bankruptcy. You can even see that it's present here: http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varig (PT Wikipedia)

It's not irrelevant information. That slogan is present in all TV and radio ads from 1950 until the nineties. Also, there is the "É mais que voar." (It's more than flying), used from 2007 until this date, by "new Varig", under GOL's management. (187.54.147.158 (talk) 05:47, 15 September 2012 (UTC))

It happens that you put it in the wrong place. Moreover, you should back your additions with reliable sources, according to the verifiability policy. You mention Portuguese Wikipedia, but using a Wikipedia article, either in English or in any other language, does not count as a reliable source. Regards.--Jetstreamer Talk 14:10, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

Did Air France confirm their A350 order?

Hello, I just wanted to ask if Air France confirmed their 25 aircraft order for the A350-900. Should it be added to the fleet table or not in the Air France article as I do not want to accidentally add false information again. I know with the Air France-KLM orders for the A350 and 787, KLM confirmed their 25 787-9 order but I do not know about the Air France A350 yet so this is why I ask you. Please answer me.72.89.35.142 (talk) 02:40, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

Will try to find a source. Separately, please stop making unsourced edits like this one. All aircraft will be phased out eventually.--Jetstreamer Talk 12:36, 17 September 2012 (UTC)
Regarding AF's A350 order, it's not yet confirmed according to the reference I provide below
  • Perry, Dominic (18 September 2012). "Air France revamping 777s to compete with Gulf carriers". Paris: Flightglobal. Archived from the original on 19 September 2012.

--Jetstreamer Talk 10:51, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. I knew I could count on you to tell me about the A350 order!72.89.35.142 (talk) 21:02, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

Hello

Hello, just thought i would drop by to say Hi. Not spoke in a while, just seeing how your doing? Thanks --JetBlast (talk) 14:27, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Fine, just fine. What about you?--Jetstreamer Talk 14:31, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

About the IP 46.73.149.128

Hey Jetstreamer, thanks for reverting edits from 46.73.149.128. I just wanted to note to you that I accidently placed a warning on their page. I thought that I had reverted it, but you beat me to it. Thanks for your reverting. Also, why don't you use Twinkle? Thanks again! Endofskull (talk) 23:49, 21 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi there! I really don't know the way to proceed with this IP user's edits. I've requested page protection in the last days for the page, but my request was denied twice. Any thoughts? BTW, I have Twinlke enabled, but I'm not fully convinced the edits of this user constitute vandalism. Regards.--Jetstreamer Talk 00:01, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
That's really weird that it got denied. I think it definitely should be. Not to rage, but I'm wondering as to why people who don't have accounts have the editing rights they do. I've recently returned to Wikipedia and have been reverting a lot of vandalism from IPs. Do you agree that people should have to have accounts? I think that's it's somewhat rare that users edit legitimately without an account. I think there's many ways this could be improved, i.e. requiring people who don't want to use an account to request editing permissions. Sorry if this was raging... I just wanted to see if somebody agreed. So anyways, thanks for your help. And I have no idea what we should do about the protection since it got denied. Endofskull (talk) 00:09, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm fully convinced everybody should edit from a registered account.--Jetstreamer Talk 00:13, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
Yeah I absolutely agree! Although I'm sure it has been proposed before, but would you be interested in pursuing that? (Not sure how crazy that sounds :P) Endofskull (talk) 00:15, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
I'm with anyone that is proposing such modification.--Jetstreamer Talk 00:19, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
So where should we start? Endofskull (talk) 00:21, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Me and the user above are intending to start a discussion regarding the edition for registered users only. Where is the most suitable place to start that discussion? Thanks.--Jetstreamer Talk 01:08, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Just so you know, this has been proposed many times before and is listed as a perennial proposal. I would recommend you read those previous discussions before starting again. If you truly want to go ahead, you can start a discussion at WP:VPR, though unless you are proposing something new, or have some significantly new information, you are unlikely to get anywhere. LegoKontribsTalkM 01:22, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Gatwick Airport - Casablanca disambiguation

I know that Casablanca has 3 airports (Anfa Airport, Tit Melil Airport, and Mohammed V Airport). Anfa Airport was closed in 2006 leaving Tet Melil and Mohammed V as the only airports in Casablanca but I was wondering if Tet Melil Airport have any flights (cargo, passenger, charter, or general aviation) operating out of the airport cause Casablanca was disambiguated at that page (Gatwick Airport) and I was wondering if you can keep an eye on it. Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 04:53, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

Is the ET 777-300ER order a mistake?

I was on the Ethiopian Airlines website when I came accross this link. It appears to say that ET has 2 Boeing 777-300ERs on order. I tried to double check by looking up stories, but can't seem to find any. Is this a mistake, or did they actually order some? --Triple A (talk) 23:02, 22 September 2012 (UTC)

The information disclosed in the link you provide is wrong, as there's no such aircraft as the Boeing 777-200F or -300F. A single freighter version for the Boeing 777 exists, i.e. Boeing 777F.--Jetstreamer Talk 01:08, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
Oops! My mistake! I meant to post this link! So they didn't order the 777-300ERs?--Triple A (talk) 02:09, 23 September 2012 (UTC)
You can check for yourself here that the airline has a single Boeing 777-200LR on order, plus four Boeing 777Fs (the other two from a total order of six are not direct orders but leases from GECAS).--Jetstreamer Talk 14:04, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

KLM to Milan

KLM is no longer serve MXP. Have you check check the MXP wiki page? If not, you are Selective blindness. --ANG99 Talk 10:25, 29 September 2012 (UTC)

Feel sorry for you if you use Wikipedia as a source.--Jetstreamer Talk 22:40, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

ET Takes Delivery Of Another Q400

Hello, just wanted to let you know that I updated the Ethiopian Airlines page by adding that they recently took delivery of another Bombardier Q400 turboprop and added two references stating they did. I also took the liberty of adjusting their average fleet age and added a reference. If you think those references aren't necessary, feel free to remove it. I just put it there to cite my editing. --Triple A (talk) 22:41, 2 October 2012 (UTC)

Hi there! I already removed them actually, as that site cannot be considered reliable. Nevertheless, I will correct the fleet figures according to the reference that was in use by updating it. Furthermore, the number of Dash 8s in the fleet decreased by one, now having seven planes of the type (including the new one the airline has just taken delivery of). The fleet is now one aircraft short likely because of a lease to ASKY. Regards.--Jetstreamer Talk 22:52, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
I'm sorry if I am bothering you right now, but I double checked on my research and discovered this reference states that ET has 7, not including the recent delivery, and not noting the leased aircraft. But when I looked at this, this reference says they have 8, including the recent delivery, and leased aircraft. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AerospaceAirAviation (talk • contribs) 02:00, 3 October 2012 (UTC)
I'd disregard the second reference as it is not reliable. As to the first one, perhaps it hasn't been updated yet. Nevertheless, the third-party reference already included in the article is a reliable one, and supports the current version of the fleet table.--Jetstreamer Talk 10:50, 3 October 2012 (UTC)

ET Takes Delivery of 2nd 787

Hello. Dropped by to tell you that ET has taken delivery of their 2nd 787 Dreamliner and that I updated the page. I also updated the average fleet age.--Triple A (talk) 02:30, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

Perfect! I updated the reference supporting the table as well.--Jetstreamer Talk 11:04, 5 October 2012 (UTC)

False Edit On Bole International Airport

Someone added false information on the Bole International Airport page without adding their references. Can you please find out who did it and tell me? Also, can you tell them to cite their edit whenever they are editting? Thanks! -Triple A (talk) 14:29, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Certainly, but can you give me more details?--Jetstreamer Talk 00:03, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Sure! They added false cargo airlines and routes.-Triple A (talk) 13:52, 10 October 2012 (UTC)
Are you talking about these edits? They were made by an IP user.--Jetstreamer Talk 21:38, 10 October 2012 (UTC)

Re: my work in Padua Airport

Hi, I'm sorry but my contribute is only insert the photo of airport, nothing else... are you sure that is necessary? I think not very important, but is only a mine POV. Regards :-)--Threecharlie (talk) 11:44, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Aeroflot and user:46.73.xxx.xxx

Hello. This time I'm asking for admin intervention regarding the edits made by the IP user above in the recent months. This follows several reversions made by me (you may take a look at the article's history to verify this), a note left in the article's talk page that was never responded, protection requests (some of them fulfilled, some rejected, an apparent unwillingness to blocking the IP), and so on. Nothing seems to work on making this user understand s(he) is not complying with one of the basic policies, as most of their edits do not conform with the verifiability policy when content backed up by a reference has been recursively removed, or the table is changed without updating the reference supporting it. Any thoughts on how to proceed? Thanks.--Jetstreamer Talk 22:55, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

I am surprised at the poor response you have had to previous requests for help. I can only suppose that the admins in question did not realise the scale of the problem, which I find has been going on ever since November 2010. The suggestion that it may not be one user is highly implausible, since exactly the same kind of disruptive editing has been taking place. I have semi-protected the article for a year. I seriously considered 2 years, as that is the time scale on which the problem has been going on, and short-term protections have not helped, but I decided that one year might be enough to make the vandal give up and find something else to do. JamesBWatson (talk) 16:54, 19 October 2012 (UTC)
Thank you very much for your response. Regards.--Jetstreamer Talk 17:01, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

Garuda Indonesia - Dubai

There has been some agrument with a user and an IP on whether or not Dubai will remain a destination for Garuda after 1 December 2012. The press release from Garuda (http://www.garuda-indonesia.com/gi_us/News/Garuda+Indonesia+Etihad+Airways+Sign+Codeshare+Agreement.page?) says that the airline will begin codesharing with Etihad eff. 28 October 2012 and as part of that agreement, the airline will shift its CGK-DXB-AMS route to CGK-AUH-DXB route on 2 December 2012 (and CGK-DXB-CGK is not bookable on their website after that date). However, the user is convinced that DXB will still be a destination along with AUH and that the CGK-AMS route is nonstop. Do you know if Garuda will terminate or maintain its services to Dubai? Regards. Snoozlepet (talk) 20:03, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

The way I understand this, GA will stop serving Dubai.--Jetstreamer Talk 20:11, 21 October 2012 (UTC)
Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 20:13, 21 October 2012 (UTC)

Vandreadstriker keeps saying that are no press releases or news sources indicating that the airline will stop service to Dubai. He al lso says that CGK-DXB uses different flight numbers. I looked on their website and there are no CGK-DXB flights found after 1 December 2012. 166.147.120.23 (talk) 17:13, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

I did not investigate further. Maybe the user is right and we have to wait for an official press release stating that flights to DXB will be disrupted.--Jetstreamer Talk 21:42, 22 October 2012 (UTC)

Tren a las Nubes

Sorry for my unlogged edit.I haven't noticed that. Actually I made the changes of the size of the inbeded picture,because in a resolution less then 1024X768 the page looks awful.Just try it and you'll see.Actually I am an experienced editor.Drjmarkov (talk) 20:14, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Gatwick Airport

I was wondering if you can keep an eye on this page, someone continues to add DME to Easyjet as a destination but did not provide a firm start date and also a lot of Norweigan Air Shuttle destinations continue to be added without any firm dates. Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 18:56, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

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 Fixed--Jetstreamer Talk 20:18, 4 November 2012 (UTC)

Three Boeing 787 Dreamliners To Be Leased To Ethiopian Airlines

Hello Jetstreamer.

I invite you to take a look at the editing I have done to the Ethiopian Airlines fleet section. I have added a note saying three Boeing 787 Dreamliners will leased from ILFC to ET, adding a reference to it. Feel free to remove it if it is not necessary.

I also edited the note for ET's Bombardier Q400s. I made it say the rest will be leased to ASKY Airlines because ET has ordered two for themselves, and three will be leased to ASKY. Feel free to revert that edit.

Also for the fleet age, I cannot find where the average fleet age is eight. I added 8.2 years from this citation. I know I might be wrong so feel free to remove it also. Also, can you tell me where you found where ET's fleet age is eight? I'd appreciate it.

Thanks for your understanding!

--Triple A (talk) 23:47, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

I actually remove it. The note you mention is not necessary, as the info you added is already included in the introduction of the section. Regarding the fleet age, the reference provided presents it at the lower right corner of the table. Cheers.--Jetstreamer Talk 23:52, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

Irtysh Air

Hello !

In fact, I don't remember that I removed informations. Maybe so it was a mistake from me, and I'm sorry. But I added some latest news that you also suppressed. You can edit by yourself if you want. Irtish Air doesn't operate regular flights any more since the lessor of its aircrafts, SAPSAN stored its aircrafts due to return to Bombardier. You can check the website of Almaty Airport to see that all irtysh and Sapsan flights disapeared, and also Airfleets.net to see that SAPSAN aircrafts are really stored. Have a nice evening. thomas — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomasboreal (talk • contribs) 15:15, 5 November 2012 (UTC)

About Irtysh Air, here is your dear source : http://www.airfleets.fr/flottecie/Sapsan.htm. An airline can not operate flights with its aircrafts stored, especially that far. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Thomasboreal (talk • contribs) 02:48, 6 November 2012 (UTC)
That proves nothing. Right from the start, it does not provide the linkage between SAPSAN and Irtysh Air.--Jetstreamer Talk 20:03, 6 November 2012 (UTC)

Gdandsnahb's edits at Lanzarote Airport

{{admin!}} Hi there. Can anyone please take a look to the edits of Gdandsnahb at Lanzarote Airport? The user insists on adding unsourced content to the page, and disregarding the warnings I left at their talk page. What to do?--Jetstreamer Talk 22:22, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

You have given him his final warning. Next time revert and report to WP:AIV.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 22:37, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

There is no formally written source for this information, it is verifiable through British Airways' reservation system. Essentially what I have been told by Jetstreamer is that since no written source exists we should pretend as though the service is not planned. There are many airline services that are planned and not accompanied with formally written or oral confirmation from the airline, hence this situation, where the service has been bookable through British Airways for over five days.--Gdandsnahb (talk) 03:21, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

TAAG Angola

Hi! considering this edit, here are a few things:

  • 1. That is a secondary source from a Chinese news site. It is encyclopedic to say one, but it is more encyclopedic to say the rest, especially if they have secondary sources, which gets to point 2.
  • 2. Since this isn't an FA, this isn't a GA, there is no need to trim underdeveloped sections (i.e. the article is in a "working" stage and can be left incomplete). We want to invite people to contribute more. I should have left an {{expand section}} tag but nonetheless that can be done. I strongly dislike the removal of underdeveloped sections when there is no FA/GA status involved, and the section is otherwise viable.

WhisperToMe (talk) 22:40, 11 November 2012 (UTC)

Adding A Picture to the FlyDubai Page

Hello Jetstreamer! How have you been?

I have been doing some editing on the FlyDubai page, and I can't seem to add a picture. I was wondering if you could do this for me because you have been with Wikipedia longer than I have. I want it to replace the current picture that is on the page. I will give you all the information needed for it. You don't need to do it.

http://www.arabianoilandgas.com/pictures/gallery/FlyDubai_Iraq.jpg

↑Here is the link to the picture I want to be displayed. Make it say "FlyDubai's Boeing 737-800 landing at Dubai."

Thanks for your help! --Triple A (talk) 21:34, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Ministro Pistarini (Buenos Aires) - Istanbul (THY)

Hello, Jetstreamer. You have new messages at Wind of freedom's talk page.
Message added 21:37, 19 November 2012 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

--Wind of freedom (talk) 21:37, 19 November 2012 (UTC)

Issues regarding User:Gdandsnahb

Hello there, JamesBWatson and Qwyrxian! Given that both of you were involved in the recent blocks of the above user, I just wanted to let you know that their recent activity has turned somewhat complicated to understand, mostly based on this, which is clearly disruptive, apart from the fact that s(he) does not use the article's talk pages to discuss any changes. This shows that s(he) is engaged on disregarding the core policies. From my position as a simple editor that wants a better and accurate Wikipedia, I cannot do more than reverting the edits made by him/her for which I consider a policy or guideline was misinterpreted. Any thoughts? Regards to you both.--Jetstreamer Talk 11:46, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. I have blocked the user indefinitely. If you are interested in knowing more of my thoughts on this, you may like to read the block notice that I posted, here. JamesBWatson (talk) 12:25, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
This message that he left here i think that he should not be able to edit his own talk page also. Thanks! Snoozlepet (talk) 16:35, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
JamesBWatson has also removed talk page access as a result. I don't know what really happened here--where did interactions with this user go wrong in the first place? Why was this person focused on changing airport pages? What was the motivation for the whole series of events? This doesn't just seem like someone who set out to be disruptive...but somehow we rapidly went down a path where the person threatened long term disruption. The block seems necessary, but I still wish I knew why. Qwyrxian (talk) 22:40, 21 November 2012 (UTC)
It all seemingly started with this edit, and there was an edit war at the article in the following days. The user and I initially discussed their point of view at their talk page, despite their arguments were against the verifiability policy. After that, s(he) started reverting again. An IP reported the user at WP:AIV, and I pointed out to their talk page to provide evidence on their behaviour. This was the moment JamesBWatson came into play with the first block for the user, and the rest is known. Honestly, I expect more of these issues in the future, as I do take this particular policy very seriously. Thanks for your interest.--Jetstreamer Talk 00:26, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Ethiopian Airlines Flight 961

One Israeli Survivor: Lior Fox; citation available in the Hebrew version. http://he.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D7%98%D7%99%D7%A1%D7%94_961_%D7%A9%D7%9C_%D7%90%D7%AA%D7%99%D7%95%D7%A4%D7%99%D7%90%D7%9F_%D7%90%D7%99%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%9C%D7%99%D7%99%D7%A0%D7%A1#cite_ref-0 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 129.255.228.145 (talk) 01:14, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Available on Hebrew Wikipedia, maybe. But this is English Wikipedia. Your edit was unsourced.--Jetstreamer Talk 01:43, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

Aeroflot Flight 902

See my explanation in the edit summary: since article essentially uses one source of data and this source completely supports all the facts and descriptions in the article, there was sufficient referencing done already. Hence, the article is not unreferenced: it's sufficient to have this one source listed in the References section (without cross-linking to it from any specific point in the article). So although "ref" tags may be missing, it doesn't mean the article is unreferenced or insufficiently referenced. Which leaves me confused about your revert. I think you should take a better look. cherkash (talk) 01:06, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

The article consists of just two unreferenced paragraphs written in English. It's unclear how a single external source that it's written in Russian can support them. By means of WP:NONENG regarding the use of foreign language sources, I invite you to translate into English the proper information in order to support these paragraphs in a suitable fashion.--Jetstreamer Talk 01:21, 22 November 2012 (UTC)
Paragraphs are not unreferenced: that's exactly why I changed the article the way I did (i.e. explicitly putting the citation into a References section). And yes, in this case a single source supports the whole article. Though English language sources are preferred, per WP:NONENG it's perfectly ok to use sources in other languages. Also, per WP:NONENG, "When citing a non-English source for information, it is not always necessary to provide a translation." Since I'm fluent in both languages, I can assure you that the whole article truthfully represents the source cited. So the source is verifiable. Thus, technically, there was no reason for your revert. I'll assume it was just a misunderstanding, and I hope we've cleared it here. As a side note, I'm not aware of an equivalent English source for the same information, otherwise I would happily include it. If you know one, please add it as an extra reference. cherkash (talk) 03:44, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Jetstreamer, you clearly haven't been reading your own talk page, specifically this section, so I'm posting on both our talk pages in hope that you'll read at least one. I gave you very clear reasons why you are talking nonsense per Wiki policies, and I gave you a 3 days courtesy period to respond and continue discussion before I've re-established my changes. All you do is continue bullying tactics instead of engaging in a meaningful discussion. I'm going to move this conversation to the article's talk page for future record, and I'm warning you that it's your behavior that is actually considered disruptive in this case. So stop it! cherkash (talk) 01:22, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

I've read everything. See WP:IC. It's you who is clearly not following guidelines.--Jetstreamer Talk 01:35, 27 November 2012 (UTC)
Please continue this on the article's talk page, including re-posting your comments above – I've moved our discussion there. cherkash (talk) 01:47, 27 November 2012 (UTC)

RE: Zhezkazgan Air

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Air Mauritius's flights from SIN to PVG

Do you know if Air Mauritius have fifth freedom rights on the Pudong-Singapore route? A user continues to add it and I am not sure if I am able to book that segment. Snoozlepet (talk) 23:34, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

It apparently does, according to their timetable.--Jetstreamer Talk 23:42, 28 November 2012 (UTC)

LGBT rights in Argentina

Hey! You are right I can provide the link but it's gonna be in spanish, is it okay anyway?--Ignaciojd3 (talk) 20:46, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Yes, of course! Do add it! --Jetstreamer Talk 20:48, 29 November 2012 (UTC)
Sorry i don't know how to do this, i'm from Wikipedia(es). Here's the link http://www.rosario3.com/noticias/pais/noticias.aspx?idNot=122003&La-donaci%C3%B3n-de-sangre-empieza-a-salir-del-armario --Ignaciojd3 (talk) 15:19, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
I'll add it for you.--Jetstreamer Talk 15:21, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Air Namibia

I'm the IP who edited the Air Namibia entry, and removed the "Leased from Lufthansa" note from the fleet. The source that is quoted (flight international) says that these aircraft are leased, and that they are ex Lufthansa. They were leased by Lufthansa from the same company that now leases them to Air Namibia (http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-a340-51.htm). Nowhere in the source is it stated that Lufthansa is now the company leasing them to Air Namibia. Well, this is no firm source by itself, but rather my subjective rebuttal of the source, so please let me prove as follows. Airfleet.net states (http://www.airfleets.net/flottecie/Air%20Namibia-active-a340.htm) the MSN being 47 and 51. These frames have their individual entries (http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-a340-47.htm) and (http://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-a340-51.htm), where Air France and Sabena have been listed as previous operators. Lufthansa had these aircraft for only three years. They got them used (unlike any other A340s), and quite later than the previous planes. Now, this by itself is no proof that LH is not the owner, but I think it may back up my claim that whoever put the flight international article in as a source misread the text. I won't start an edit war, but please, if I convinced you, then please delete the note again.

Anyway, thanks for the correspondance and have a nice morning/evening, and thanks for caring about wikipedia.23:57, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Good call

[13]. Drmies (talk) 19:34, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

'Key business trends' tables/Kenya Airways

As you know, it is good if the 'key business trends' are included in airline articles, usually in a small table, because it can give the article a better balance. But multiple sources can make such a table difficult to read, so I have developed what I think is a clearer layout, whilst ensuring the sources are still very evident. As a trial, I have rearranged the existing information at Kenya Airways - what do you think? Is it better? I would value your views! Carbonix (talk) 21:17, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I like it. The new version wipes out the somewhat awful contrast between the red background and the blue of each reference. Good work!--Jetstreamer Talk 21:35, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Comment from 91.7.218.44

Hallo Jetstreamer

I can whole improvement and cast yourself. I want to continue improvement for airlines and airport. I knew the best for airline and airport. I have many years of long pedigree as always. I can trust you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.7.218.44 (talk) 18:10, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

I don't see how this edit improved the corresponding article.--Jetstreamer Talk 18:34, 6 December 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Vandalism

Could you please reread Wikipedia:Vandalism. The edits made by Antonbabich (talk · contribs · count) and Dennislyh (talk · contribs · count) are not vandalism. The edits may be annoying and disruptive, especially if they have been told that a certain site is not a reliable source, but it is not vandalism. Thanks. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 11:28, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm perfectly aware of what vandalism is. However, the fourth-level warning templates included in Twinkle for the addition of unsourced content automatically places a vandalism warning. I understand what you say, but cannot do anything to change it. Apart from this issue, do you agree that warning these editors was appropriate, don't you?.--Jetstreamer Talk 12:33, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Yes they should have been warned. Exactly which template was it that Twinkle put there? I can see the {{uw-unsourced3}} but I can't see the {{uw-unsourced4}} in there. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 13:10, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
Well, that's the problem. Twinkle apparently does not include a fourth-level warning for unsourced content and places a vandalism warning instead. {{uw-unsor}} neither includes it.--Jetstreamer Talk 13:17, 7 December 2012 (UTC)
See Wikipedia talk:Twinkle#Template:Uw-unsourced4. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 13:30, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

El Al

The original table dating to 2010 carries references for cargo only destinations which also include Luxembourg, from AZ Freighters site, you can look it up in edit history. 175.110.204.102 (talk) 14:25, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

Prague Airport

Hi! Czech Airlines will announced official the new destionations very soon. One link with the news (http://www.planes.cz/en/news/csa-czech-airlines-announce-plans-for-summer-2013-7934/)

I'm afraid the source you provide above is also unreliable. I have withdrawn the last warning I placed at your talk page. Sometimes it's better to discuss with other editor than placing annoying warnings at their talk page. Please bear in mind that, according to WP:VERIFY and WP:RELIABLE, every edit you make should be backed by at least a reliable reference. Verifiability is a core policy at Wikipedia, so be sure to follow it every time you make an edit. Separately, you should sign your posts by placing --~~~~ after your comments. Please let me know that you have read this. Thank you.--Jetstreamer Talk 23:10, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

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Flag Carrier

Jetstream,

I'm new to this wikipedia process, but I've been following the Flag Carrier page for some time and noticed the various comments. I have access to all kinds of aviation info in my day job so I basically added cites where needed and re-wrote a few paragraphs to make the cites fit better.

I also made a distinction between the legal definition of "flag carrier" and the one more commonly used.

Thanks. Ftornik (talk) 23:28, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I noticed your work and also noticed that the ″Background″ section is now fully sourced. Thank you for the contributions you made to the article. Regards.--Jetstreamer Talk 23:36, 9 December 2012 (UTC)

EasyJet Manchester

Hello about the edits you did to Manchester Airport, EasyJet flights to Prague and Thessaloniki are now bookable on EasyJet's website. I do add references but not to routes as they are usually bookable through the airline. Plus the sources get removed anyway once the route starts. Hope this helps --MKY661 (talk) 23:42, 10 December 2012 (UTC)

Aerolineas Argentinas LV-JNE

The hijack of Boeing 737-287C tail number LV-JNE is a very notable event in Argentinean and AA history. 28 people died in action as a result of Operation Primicia and several terrorists used this plane to flew away and left it abandoned in a grass field. It took 16 days to make it fly again and an aluminium airstrip had to be shipped and assembled in the location for the plane to take off.

Reference: [14]

I will re add this incident to the article Aerolíneas Argentinas accidents and incidents.

Best bcartolo (talk) 23:39, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

The people you mention did not die in the event you added. See WP:AIRLINE for the guidelines of inclusion.--Jetstreamer Talk 23:42, 14 December 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I know they did not die in the event. But still, it was an important event and I think it should be in the list. Many other accidents in the list do not involve deaths or material losses, see the 28 September 1966 hijack. Notability is somewhat a subjective concept. Anyway you can remove it if you want, but I dont see the harm in leaving there. I was looking for it and since it was not in the page I added it, but remove if you want, whatever. bcartolo (talk) 00:15, 15 December 2012 (UTC)

Airlineroute.net

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Aerolíneas Argentinas stored fleet

hey there

do you know which of the A340 and the 737-700/800 is stored and why?

Sascha — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sasha2881 (talk • contribs) 11:45, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

I've updated the reference supporting the table fleet. Currently, there are no stored aircraft.--Jetstreamer Talk 11:58, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

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