Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/PWR Heavyweight Championship

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The result was delete. Randykitty (talk) 16:55, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

PWR Heavyweight Championship

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Pro Wrestling Revolution is not notable enough for their own page, their belt certainly isnt either. Galatz גאליץ ^{שיחה Talk} 01:19, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Wrestling-related deletion discussions. Galatz גאליץ ^{שיחה Talk} 01:20, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And yet Philippine Wrestling Revolution is? - ldeffinbaugh (talk) 20:29, 14 November 2018 (EST)
- Judging by that page, no its not, but more time would need to be spent seeing what sources are out there. But WP:OSE is not a reason to keep this one. - Galatz גאליץ ^{שיחה Talk} 01:36, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 04:29, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Im working with the owner on the company for more articles. But if you see from this sizzle reel it lists the various news sources that covered PWR as well as where it is broadcast on Television. They are widely bordcast across california. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iEe9IszFEdQ&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR13ivYW1gTFApVu_2COURaGf2VQ7cvAqltA5org7cUs6PjuhkWATe8zoYI - ldeffinbaugh (talk) 13:01, 15 November 2018 (EST)
- Sounds to me like you just admitted to having an unreported WP:COI which could lead to you getting blocked. - Galatz גאליץ ^{שיחה Talk} 14:51, 16 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sounds to me your over-reacting a bit. As you keep stating you need proper references and sources. So you reach out to the proper people and webmasters who get them. Many of the articles posted 10 + or - years ago are either removed or archived on main sites, not to mention Im sure youtube videos would be an issue since they would not point to the original source. So instead of spending many hours looking up old articles I found it easier to just ask the person directly. Its either that or cite from wrestling-titles, solies, or cagematch like a majority of articles and authors do. - ldeffinbaugh (talk) 23:50, 16 November 2018 (EST)
Delete I understand the difficulty in writing articles about older subjects where most of the sources are no longer extant but we really need to get some before articles are created. Consider taking this through the draft process to flesh things out before creating them here. Consult WP:GNG and WP:COI in the future. Also, please read WP:PW/RS, WP:RS, WP:V and WP:YOUTUBE in particular. Cagematch and other databases can be used in some circumstances but don't demonstrate notability. Verification generally requires more than just talking to someone involved with the subject. I'm willing to change my !vote but it would take solid sourcing.LM2000 (talk) 12:23, 17 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
- Thank you LM2000 for the information, its better than the approach of "WRONG" that seems to be how to start a discussion, I haven't done any articles since I started the AAA ones years ago, work keeps me rather busy. I have found most of the history from various wiki sites as well as from their main website, the NWA site used to have some but it has been taken down since the previous regime change, Besides PWRInsider and cagematch its rather hard to find hard sources beside independent coverage from local fans. The main site does reference coverage but finding the articles have not been easy, which is why I was hoping the promoter still had the links somewhere (thus the sizzle reel he sent) it shows live coverage and/or interviews but no links, not to mention waaaaay too many cut and paste duplicate sites with the same information. Mainly this belt was defended in NWA Pro, NWA Mexico, and Champion Wrestling from Hollywood. Im going to see if I can find more details from those three. But thank you again for the information - ldeffinbaugh (talk) 11:37, 17 November 2018 (EST)
  - Added some references from their main page - ldeffinbaugh (talk) 15:19, 17 November 2018 (EST)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sam Sailor 12:53, 22 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete as failing WP:GNG. This belt was created only 10 years ago and has been awarded every couple of years or so since so we are not dealing with very old sources such as the turn of the century (20th) subjects. One would imagine that as the years progress the notability would grow and sources become easier to find, if we have to go back to its creation to ty and show notability this become problematic. There are 2 sources from the promotion so they can be discounted for notability purposes. There are some photos from the company that made the belt so affiliated and of no use, there is the OWW site that doesn't mention the subject so of no use, and there is a routine passing mention on PWInsider. Nothing here show notability. Dom from Paris (talk) 14:03, 29 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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