Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Thomas Matthew Crooks (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

Procedural close as keep. Either accept Jclemens's close of the DRV where they say:

When all the dust settles, cooler heads will determine whether this should be a standalone article or merged into Attempted assassination of Donald Trump per BLP1E, and keeping in mind especially clause 3 thereof

or have the DRV close overturned (oh joy!). Either way starting a second AFD is not the right process. Abecedare (talk) 21:13, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Thomas Matthew Crooks

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Fails WP:BLP1E currently and the article in it's current form just forks information from the Attempted assassination of Donald Trump article but adds in tabloid-esque speculation on his political beliefs by including adoxography on the shirt he was wearing and what his classmate said about his high school beliefs. Article should be redirected to Attempted assassination of Donald Trump where the same information is re-iterated. Traumnovelle (talk) 20:59, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep and close. We just did this. ---Another Believer _(Talk) 21:02, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, let's not. There's a process and we should give at least one full day to consider opinions instead of the rushed (and botched) discussions that have occurred so far. —Locke Cole • t • c 21:03, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

And it was subject to a DRV that was only closed on a technicality. Keep discussion focused on the actual article now please. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also please read through WP:SKCRIT. It doesn't apply here, so please give an actual argument instead of writing useless comments. Traumnovelle (talk) 21:08, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't even a valid technicality, Jclemens closed it against all guidance at WP:DRV. The closure was more disruptive than the DRV discussion being started by a sock... —Locke Cole • t • c 21:08, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I concur with Locke Cole; the prior discussion did not have adequate time for a discussion and given the highly contentious topic and BLP concerns an admin should be endorsing any close or decision. Kcmastrpc (talk) 21:09, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep and close. This is pointless. We had an AfD; it ended with a large consensus to keep the article. We then had a deletion review, which was closed in favour of endorsing the AfD's closure. This is pointless. GhostOfNoMeme 21:04, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Crime, Terrorism, and Pennsylvania. • Gene93k (talk) 21:05, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep and close. Subject has been documented clearly. Magical Golden Whip (talk) 21:06, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Attempted assassination of Donald Trump. I'm definitely of the opinion that eventually an article can exist on its own, but there's little now that couldn't just be merged into the assassination attempt article. WP:TOOSOON, WP:BLP1E. —Locke Cole • t • c 21:06, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep 47.39.189.151 21:09, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

W A I T !!! Shouldn't this be a Deletion Review, not another Articles for Deletion???

Redirect and merge into Attempted assassination of Donald Trump, echoing User:Locke Cole – macaddct1984 ^{(talk | contribs)} 21:11, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep and close per all of the above. No reason there should be another AfD this close to the prior’s speedy keep. Booyahhayoob (talk) 21:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Continue to expand the article. GoPats (talk) 21:12, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep We've had this discussion. Killuminator (talk) 21:14, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep and close. People want to read about the profile of the shooter on this kind of events. Wikipedia can be a reliable source for people to read about this subject, otherwise they will find untrusted sources to read. Wikipedians should be improving this article by reading the sources, improving redaction, improving the references, instead of erasing content and articles. It would be better if Wikipedians help to improve the quality of this article on the following days, and after a couple of weeks they can take the decision of merge this content with Attempted assassination of Donald Trump or not. Martiniturbide (talk) 21:14, 14 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.