Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tom Barlow (soccer)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was To Draft. Spartaz ^Humbug! 10:52, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Barlow (soccer)

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Deprodded – original rationale was "Fails WP:NFOOTY and WP:GNG." PriceDL (talk) 00:36, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Rationale for deprodding – "Maybe WP:TOOSOON but as likely to meet WP:FOOTY in the not-too-distant future would prefer moving to Draft or Userspace rather than deletion." PriceDL (talk) 00:37, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep there is a discussion over here that addresses the concerns for deletion and the keeps. I'm in the boat that this meets WP:NCOLLATH and WP:GNG because of the notability of the MLS SuperDraft, and his national recognitions, which go beyond routine coverage. Cobyan02069 (talk) 03:39, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Move to draft (or userfy) with no prejudice against opposite move. Currently, fails WP:CRYSTAL. 198.84.253.202 (talk) 03:42, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep passes WP:NCOLLATH and while we are talking a bit of Crystal for WP:NFOOTBALL, he meets WP:GNG. NZFC^(talk) 04:25, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Hhhhhkohhhhh (talk) 07:19, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 10:23, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Fails WP:NFOOTBALL, and despite claims that the subject meets WP:GNG, nobody has added any sources to the article that are not WP:ROUTINE or WP:PRIMARY to demonstrate this is the case. I'm not convinced his success in being drafted is enough to meet WP:NCOLLATH either. Jellyman (talk) 13:08, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment (to all) - simply pointing to a policy isn't a sufficient argument. It needs to be either clear from context (i.e. pointing at WP:CRYSTAL) or otherwise explained. 198.84.253.202 (talk) 23:40, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Userfy Clear the player is heading in the right direction if he has signed to New York Red Bulls, but unless he makes his debut this page shouldn't be live as he quite clearly fails NFooty. He clearly fails GNG at the moment also. Govvy (talk) 19:54, 23 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - meets WP:NCOLLATH and WP:GNG per Cobyan and NZFC Quidster4040 (talk) 18:51, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Userfy per Govvy and WP:TOOSOON, wait until he has played a professional match or until some other notable event occurs. Jay eyem (talk) 23:40, 24 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Question Is WP:NCOLLATH actually an appropriate guideline for footballers? Why is playing for a college soccer team in the US any different to playing for youth teams of professional clubs in other countries (which wouldn't confer notability)? Number 5 7 11:15, 26 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Good question - technically, it's much more likely the 'football' referred to there is American Football and not rest-of-the-world-except-Canada-and-a-few-others-Football. Anyway, the coverage I find quickly with Google does not appear to constitute "national media attention as an individual, not just as a player". Player has also neither won a national award or been inducted in a hall of fame. Therefore, WP:NCOLLATH does not apply and we should stick to other criteria. 198.84.253.202 (talk) 04:14, 27 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Move to draft space/userfy - I'm going to make the same argument I made for Brian White (soccer). This article should not have been written yet - there's no significant media coverage so fails WP:GNG, and since he hasn't played at the major level yet, it's WP:TOOSOON. That being said, the best solution to preserve this work is to move to draftspace with instructions to not resubmit until after he plays a professional game. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 00:04, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: There seems to be consensus to keep or userfy. Solidifying one of those options would be nice in the next 7 days.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Killiondude (talk) 05:59, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Draft or Userfy untill WP:NFOOTY is passed which will also generate extra coverage Atlantic306 (talk) 18:37, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.