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Is therese sources sufficient for an article?

Hello, I am writing an article about a games studio. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Midoki) I searched on the internet and found these sources: http://midoki.com/ https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-32145285

Is these sources enough for this article? ;p7ti (talk) 08:16, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

p7ti Hello and welcome. The website of the studio would be a primary source and not acceptable for establishing notability.(though it might be for some other things) The BBC source seems to be at least partially based on an interview with the founder of the company, though there might be some content there that could be used in an article. If you are submitting your draft for review, most reviewers look for at least three reliable sources with significant coverage. 331dot (talk) 08

21, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

At least three reliable indepedendent sources with significant coverage, ;p7ti. In my experience that's often the bit that people miss. "But surely [newspaper] is reliable?" "Yes, but if their article is mostly based on an interview or a press release, it's not independent, and doesn't contribute to notability". --ColinFine (talk) 09:58, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Official name for Malaysia language

Why Wikipedia use unofficial name for Malaysia ?. "Malaysian" is not official name, you can see Malaysia articles 152  Malayan Law (talk) 11:27, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia uses the title most commonly used in English language sources, see WP:COMMONNAME. --David Biddulph (talk) 11:41, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

HELP

Can somebody please help me with my biography? I honestly don't know where to start, is there a questionnaire or an outline I can start with or work off of? Officialbosscuz (talk) 11:30, 21 November 2021 (UTC) Officialbosscuz (talk) 11:30, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Officialbosscuz Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Thanks for asking. Wikipedia is not a place for people to tell the world about themselves. Please read the autobiography policy. A Wikipedia article about a person must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the person, showing how they meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable person. It won't necessarily say what the subject wants it to say, and in fact most articles are typically written without any involvement from the subject. A Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable, there are good reasons to not want one. If you meet the definition of a notable person, someone will eventually take note of you and choose to write about you. I would suggest that you allow that to play out and go on with your life and career. 331dot (talk) 11:41, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Officialbosscuz, if you prefer not to take 331dot's excellent advice, then at least create the draft in your "sandbox". (You've started it in your user page, which isn't for this purpose.) However, it's better just to do what 331dot says. -- Hoary (talk) 12:42, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Notability (music) describes how musicians qualify as notable. Many think they are notable, but WP:TOOSOON turns out to be true. David notMD (talk) 14:04, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

How can I contribute to Wikipedia page

 Sunday Ezekiel ayiyi (talk) 14:02, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @Sunday Ezekiel ayiyi. You might wish to read Wikipedia:Contributing to Wikipedia and perhaps also try out our interactive tour called The Wikipedia Adventure. But I sense your frustration is that your receiving warnings about adding information that you have personally researched or studied, but which has not been formally published. The best way is to consider that Wikipedia is merely an encyclopaedia which collates and compiles information that has already been reliably published, then only that information should be added - not the details that you personally know, but which can't be checked up on by someone with access to a library or the internet on the other side of the world. We don't accept Original Research until it has been written about by others in independent sources such as books or periodicals. It is often best to learn how to contribute here by making small changes and improvements to articles first, before attempting major improvements. Starting with articles that you are not an expert in, or have strong views on, is by far the most sensible way to learn our ways. Because this is a collaborative project, we are all used to both being challenged as to why we've made some change, and also challenging others (always politely, of course). We work by consensus, so you might find making suggestions for big improvements or additions to an article are best made on that article's talk page, or you can directly ask an editor on their talk page why they decided something you added was not OK with them - and vice versa, of course. I hope this helps and that you aren't too put off at the start of your own Wikipedia Adventure. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:29, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Mikhail Kozlov (politician)

Hi, I have recently created an article on a Russian politician that a user moved that page to a draft, which they might have a justified reason for the article to be moved in to a draft. I have added additional sources to that article to clear that submission into the main space. However, I am unable to submit it, because either a user did not add a submission button or there seemed to be a glitch. Can you find a way to fix that problem? Thanks. Ivan Milenin (talk) 14:26, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ivan Milenin Welcome to the Teahouse. I'm sorry you had that problem, which I've now fixed for you. By editing and then adding "{{AfC submission/draft}}" to the top of the page, and then saving the edit, you get a Draft notice and a nice blue button to hit when you're ready to submit your article for review. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:33, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Thanks for the help, always appreciated. Ivan Milenin (talk) 14:37, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

How to upload the logo for a walking trail

Am a newcomer and have barely discovered how to edit text. Where will I discover how to upload an image so as to amend incorrect info in an entry please?

Also, how do I key one tilde, let alone four, on a Mac keyboard please? Speysideway (talk) 16:05, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Speysideway and welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. It can be a bit tricky to start with to understand all the ins and outs of editing and following all our various policies and guidelines. (A bit like setting out on a mountain walk and not being able to find your way though the bl***y farmyard). So, I've left you one of our welcome messages with a few helpful links to get you navigating in the right direction.

Now, regarding image uploads: whilst we normally advise images to be uploaded and released under an appropriate licence to Wikimedia Commons, I don't think that's advisable with a company logo or brand image, as the release permits commercial use of that logo by anyone else. So, instead, I'd advise taking a very low resolution version of that file and uploading it only to English Wikipedia (not Wikimedia Commons) under a non-free use licence. I've never actually done that myself, though I can point you to read more at Wikipedia:Non-free use rationale guideline.

If, however, you simply want to replace an old image with a new one, such as File:Speyside Way logo.jpg, it should be even simpler! Simply scroll down that page to the bottom of the 'File History' section and click 'Upload a new version of this file'. There you can supply an up-to-date version fo the file (providing it is a very low resolution version).

Regarding typing keyboard tildes: Typing four of them (~~~~) used to be the only way you could get your signature stamp inserted into the end of a post. However, providing you click the 'Reply' link to posts (rather than edit) - a very recent introduction to English Wikipedia - the software automatically signs and dates the post for you, so you don't have to bother. But a Google search fund me this which might help elsewhere.

Finally, I do need to highlight one issue I see - and that's your username. Unfortunately, you might have unintentionally breached one of our policies of one person -one account. We don't really like seeing usernames which could suggest shared use of one logged in account, or one that represents and promotes an organisation or website (such as www.speysideway.co.uk). A better choice would have been something like SpeysidewayIan/Speyside Rambler etc etc. Not to worry immediately, but I'll drop by your userpage and let you know how to deal with that one. If you are connected with the Moray government's website, we'll also ask you to declare your connection to it on your userpage. We call that a Conflict of interest. We don't mind if you do work for them - we just need openness in declaring any WP:COI or WP:PAID connection before making more edits.

I hope this is of some assistance to you. As an outdoors person myself, I'd be happy to help and encourage you to learn how to edit if you run into further difficulties. So feel free to contact me via my Talk page if you need a helping hand to get you going. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:37, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

How to add a reference text

I have information on the the exact birth date of Joseph Otto Kesselring, I'm trying to add this in the reference area, and I've tried several ways none have worked. How do I add a reference? Gdwright (talk) 16:35, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello Gdwright. Please see Help:Referencing for beginners.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 17:34, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

How to create a second sandbox?

Hello, I've been using my sandbox as a way to keep track of notes for myself. However, I'd like to create a separate space to work on an entire article without actively doing that on the article itself or the article's talk page. Is is possible to create more sandboxes or somehow organize separate projects with my account? Thank you. WyldEys (talk) 17:16, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

WyldEys Hello and welcome. You can create additional sandboxes by creating a link to one, say, User:WyldEys/sandbox 2. 331dot (talk) 17:20, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the quick feedback! That also led me to the help page for Wikipedia:Subpages, and I didn't realize it was so simple. Thanks. WyldEys (talk) 17:22, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@WyldEys: You can generally create as many sandboxes as you like, everything starting with User:WyldEys/ will be in your user space. You can use the form below to quickly open the edit form for a new subpage.

Hope this helps. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 17:25, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt mobil: This is extremely helpful, thank you. And the form makes it even simpler yet. Saving this for future use. WyldEys (talk) 17:34, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Addition of sources to Myles Moylan page

I would like to add two sources to Myles Moylan's Wiki page to support the fact that he was born in Tuam, Co Galway.

"The Moylans of Tuam". JOTS (18): 42–55. Retrieved 17 November 2021.

which traces the life and career of two Tuam men Myles Moylan and his nephew Bro Michael Titus Moylan (Superior General of the Christian Brothers (1900 - 1905) was published in the Journal of the Old Tuam Society (#18) last week. I would like to use this secondary source to support the fact that Myles was born in Tuam rather than Amesbury.

I would also like to attach Myles Moylan's Findagrave page as a reference to his Tuam birth -"Myles Molan". Findgrave. Retrieved 21 November 2021.

His Findagrave reference was cited before but was later deleted. For anybody who is researching Myles, it contains some primary records (which I know Wiki frowns upon) and also connections to his parents, some of his siblings and his nephew.

Is there somebody out there who can oblige me and add those sources for me, please?

BuffyO'B (talk) 13:26, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@BuffyO'B: Welcome to the teahouse. You can add sources using the "ref" tool near the bottom of the editing page you want to edit, and the ref tool should pop up on the screen, and then cite your web by citing: {{cite web}}: Empty citation (help) (filling the blanks in the editing page.) Also, if this does not help, you can also visit: Wikipedia:Tutorial (historical)/Citing sources. Severestorm28 (talk) 15:25, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Find-A-Grave not accepted as a reliable source reference because anyone can change content without editorial oversite. Can you find a published obituary? David notMD (talk) 17:58, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

How do I reply directly to Nick Moyes?

Can't find anywhere on your Talk page to post a reply. Keen to sort out accidental breach re username, also keen to disclose re possible conflict of interest but right now unable to find where to do things in what feels like a very alien environment. I am happy to pass facts direct to a relevant editor if that is more appropriate than my making changes direct andn am sorry if have inadvertently done the wrong thing, but I can assure you that the Wiki entry on Speyside Way was pointing to the wrong website and displaying the wrong logo. Can provide any number of references in support and don't mind if somebody else wants to fix it! Speysideway (talk) 16:53, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@Speysideway: Welcome to the Teahouse. Just click on the "New section" link at the top of User talk:Nick Moyes to start writing something new. He'll get notified when that happens. Meanwhile, I'll just ping Nick Moyes here so that he knows. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:07, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Part of Nick's message: "The much simpler way is simply to abandon the account if it's breaching our rules, forget the password, and simply create another account with a username that's preferable. Any WP:COI/WP:PAID declarations can be made on the userpage of that new account, and you can also mention the name of your abandoned account so that there is some linkage remaining." Once you have opened a new account, and on that account's User page, declared your conflict of interest, ideally you cease from directly editing the article and instead propose specific changes on the Talk page of the article. David notMD (talk) 18:11, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

How to edit the references

Good morning I'm new and I'm learning now to edit here and I have a question how I can make a reference page that complies with the policies, try to make one here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Alberto_Sosa and the I had done wrong, then I made the modifications and I would like if it is not a bother that they help me to learn and be able to continue in this world that I like a lot Seiyukaras (talk) 16:42, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Seiyukaras. The help I'm going to give you is the advice that I regularly give new editors who try straight away to do the most difficult thing there is in editing Wikipedia: creating a new article (would you try to build a house as your first ever building project? Would you play a solo recital after your first ever violin lesson?) My advice is to put aside that project for at least six months while you "learn the trade" of editing Wikipedia by making improvements to some of our existing six million articles. In the meantime you should read your first article, and also notability and referencing for beginners.

I have some concerns about the image. You uploaded File:Alberto Sosa.jpg, claiming the author as Alberto Sosa and claiming it as your own work. Are you the photographer? If not, how are you claiming it as "own work"? If you are not the photographer (or somehow the copyright holder) then you are probably violating the photographer's copyright by purporting to grant an irrevocable licence to anybody in the world to copy, reuse, or modify that picture without requiring payment or permission, as long as they attribute its source (that is a summary of what you have done in uploading it). If you are the copyright holder, then you can legally do that, but is it what you intended? Furthermore, why did you say that the author of the work was Alberto Sosa? This seems very unlikely, as it doesn't look like a selfie.

And following one from this: the fact that you uploaded the picture of Sosa implies that you know Sosa. If this is the case, you must read about editing with a conflict of interest. If you are in fact Sosa, then you should read autobiography to understand why you are very very strongly discouraged from writing about yourself on Wikipedia.

Do see now why I advise you to put this aside for a while, as you have much to learn before you can successfully create an article? --ColinFine (talk) 18:19, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

What are the templates for "Year of the tiger" and "This user likes cats".

I would like to add two userboxes to my page. So, I would like to know what the templates are for: • This User was born in the Year of the Tiger. • This User likes cats. ArtFlow29 (J.) (talk) 07:09, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@ArtFlow29 (J.) Welcome to the Teahouse. The templates you refer to are called userboxes. You can look through hundreds of them at Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries. They go on your userpage. But, at present, you have such a ridiculously huge image on your userpage that adding anything else would be pointless until you fix that - perhaps by inserting a |thumb| parameter. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:18, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for your very kind help! ArtFlow29 (J.) (talk) 19:50, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

You can… use VisualEditor on this page?

Hello, Teahouse hosts…

Many pages on Wikipedia cannot use VisualEditor… or so I thought. Apparently, you can edit any page using VisualEditor by entering “https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/insert_your_title_here?veaction=edit”, and VisualEditor will load… have you ever tried this, or do you already know this? Like, as I speak here, I edited this page partially using VisualEditor. I’m kind of puzzled… — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — SANDBOXES — LOGS — 18:22, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

I already knew this. However, this trick only works on pages that contain wikitext. Pages using a different contextmodel, such as pages containing javascript can't be edited with the Visual Editor, even when you try this trick (it simply won't load). Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 18:57, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@3PPYB6: It's somewhat known, but not effective when editing discussion pages like this one in my experience. I'd use either the WMF-sanctioned Reply Tool or Convenient Discussions, which offer a lot more utility. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 20:02, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt mobil, @Tenryuu:

Thanks for letting me know. I really would only think that the “hack” listed above is effective for Wikipedia: namespaces. So yeah, thank you. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — SANDBOXES — LOGS — 20:10, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Writing a page on British Aviation during WWII

Dear Wikipedia Teahouse. I am new to Wiki writing, and stumbling around a little on how best to proceed with an article. I have looked online for a related topic on this subject, but found that there is no pages that relate to listing and informing about the Aviation companies that were commissioned to design and produce Aircraft during WWII for the UK. There are lists of planes, but no article that discusses the companies or their factories, history, bombing during the war with images in one location. I would be very interested in doing this and having a map showing the location of the factories in the UK. It would be my first article and would be interested in doing a collaborative page if anyone is interested. Advice on how to proceed with a page, with recommendations would be appreciated.

I am also interested in making a page on known locations of downed aircraft around the UK's waters. This one might be tricky, as I no of no sources so far that discuses this and may need a lot of research in newspapers.

Thank you Chiefming1 (talk) 21:10, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Chiefming1. In general, the subject of a Wikipedia article is going to need to be something deemed to meet Wikipedia:Notability or one of Wikipedia's various subject-specific notability guidelines in order for it to avoid being deleted. The content contained therein is also going to need only reflect what has been written about it in reliable sources and not something based upon original research. For what it's worth, all Wikipedia articles are collaborative pages in a sense since nobody in particular really owns an article and contributions to the article can be made by anyone at anytime, but perhaps try asking about this at Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history since that's where you're likely going to find editors who are more familiar with this type of stuff. -- Marchjuly (talk) 22:04, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Chiefming1, I'm pretty sure that the relevant books by David Edgerton would provide, and cite, enough material for the former article. (Unfortunately I haven't read any of these. I've read, been enlightened by, and enjoyed, two books by him that aren't directly relevant.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:30, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

How to hyperlink Wikipedia to other wiki sites

I have a problem regarding linking of https://antwiki.org/wiki/Ophthalmopone_berthoudi. The Wiki says I have to write something like Ophthalmopone_berthoudi. But as you can see, the other wiki says the link does not exist. But if I do / Ophthalmopone_berthoudi then it works, but the text is messed up. Please read my source code to completely understand my question. Thanks in advance Imnotpathetic (talk) 16:21, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@Imnotpathetic Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. I did look at a lot of your edits to Gamergate (ant) and I'm afraid you've made a couple of errors in your approach. So forgive me if I take the time to correct you so you don't do it again.

Firstly, it would not be acceptable under any circumstances to link to a non-Wikimedia Foundation project via an external link in any article text. Such links to other wikis might be acceptable if used as part of a citation, and where that wiki was managed and maintained by an institution or repute. Most wikis are user-generated so not regarded as reliable as sources. Possibly a link in 'Further reading' or 'External links' might be justified, but I don't think the article even justifies that.

Secondly, I noticed you have made lots of edits to that page removing redlinks to various species of ants in the article. This would only make sense if the name was linked two or more times. Every species on this earth is regarded as notable (see WP:SPECIESOUTCOMES), and so a redlink is quite appropriate. It will turn blue once a page for that taxon has been created which, I'm sure you appreciate, is useful. Not only does it currently flag up and encourage someone to write an article on that taxon, but it also then links to it once it's made. So I see no reason for either stripping out redlinks or adding external links as you wanted to. I hope this makes sense. regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 17:55, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

I am truly sorry for the mess I made and thank you for reverting all that mess. But just say, I need to link to a External Link then how do I do it if the site does not work because it has a extra "/" in the URL? Is in not possible to link Wikipedia with such links?

Thanks in advance.

Imnotpathetic (talk) 19:24, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@Imnotpathetic Don't worry - it was easily fixed and the errors were made in genuine good faith. We all of us made lots of mistakes when we started editing - I defy anyone to say otherwise. Often it is making mistakes at the outset that gives us great skills in the future. Good luck with your own, personal Wikipedia Adventure. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:47, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

AN/I not refreshing in app

Tracked in Phabricator
Task T274359

Sometimes I decide to browse AN/I, but I've found that it doesn't update in the mobile app, and is still on a revision from months ago. Does anyone know how to fix this? ☢️Plutonical☢️ᵀᵃˡᵏ ᵗᵒ ᵐᵉ 22:31, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Well Wikipedia:Village Pump (the 'techincal' page) might be a place to report it.

I have no idea why anyone would want to browse AN/I, though. There's a reason the shortcut link to it is WP:CESSPIT. ~Anachronist (talk) 22:43, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Nor why anyone would use the mobile app! Tried it once and deleted it shortly afterwards. Mobile view works fine in any browser. Nick Moyes (talk) 23:16, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@Plutonical: This is a known issue, see phab:T274359. As far as I know, there's nothing you can do except switch to your browser. Suffusion of Yellow (talk) 23:21, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

That task is languishing a little.. may be worth reporting the issue from in the app as well Plutonical, if only to float it nearer the top of the list ~TheresNoTime ^{(to explain!)} 23:44, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

How do I know if a page is full?

I thought I was getting proficient with Wikipedia, but lately, my edits have been consistently rejected. Wondering what to do and how to contribute more to pages of my interest. Smcupcake19 (talk) 01:34, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

@Smcupcake19: Wikipedia is not made of paper, so it doesn't really get "full". However, a brief look at your talk page shows that you have been involved in some long and heated debates about Scrappy-Doo and Draft:Scrappy-Doo Biography. Did you have specific questions about the advice that was given to you on those articles' talk pages, or questions about another aspect of editing Wikipedia? ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 01:47, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, the Scrappy debate was specifically where I wanted feedback. I truly do want to make that page look as good as I can; and I was specifically wondering what kinds of edits would be indubitably welcome, since after initial smooth sailing with my endeavor, as I mentioned above my edits now appear to be quickly deleted, even after making several attempts to compromise. After putting a special amount of effort to keep my most recent edit inoffensive and still finding it quickly deemed unacceptable. I'd just like to know how to make sure my edits can have some reliable permanence; doing so is becoming increasingly elusive.--Smcupcake19 (talk) 04:48, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Talk:Scrappy-Doo makes clear that your efforts on Scrappy-Doo and Draft:Scrappy-Doo Biography have run aground on various issues, including copyright and fancruft. I suggest you read Wikipedia:Drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass and some of the links therein. Perhaps, after more than a year at this task, you consider other topics, animated or not. David notMD (talk) 10:07, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

With all due respect, my path is not singleminded. If there is anything that can be suggest for improving that page that would be acceptable, I'll take it. --Smcupcake19 (talk) 19:50, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps I should clarify my question: after losing an initial debate, I am constantly immediately having edits taken down despite attempts to compromise. Yes, it's my choice to focus on one page in particular but I am not clinging to the same debate that I was. What should I do if another editor immediately undoes my edit citing a policy I genuinely interpret differently/see counterarguments in other policies for?Smcupcake19 (talk) 01:16, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

referencing content in a submitted article

My recent biographical submission on Richard P. Novick was rejected because of insufficient referencing of content. Is there any way I can find out exactly which statements in the article require citations? I need a reply specific to working with the VisualEditor Spesshot (talk) 02:11, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

You have created versions of your proposed article at Draft:Richard Novick, User:Spesshot/sandbox and User:Spesshot/sandbox/Richard Novick. Pick one. For all, refs wrong place and wrong format. See Help:referencing for beginners. David notMD (talk) 02:15, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Copypasting, when it isn't copyvio

Hi Teahouse, I was just cleaning up Public Service Commission (Kenya), the biggest part of which is material copy-pasted from a webpage. The material is relevant, and I don't think it's a copyright violation to copy this if the source is cited. (But maybe it is - I admit that I'm not super familiar with how laws, etc are handled in this context. In that case I suppose someone could throw the whole thing into a block quote.) It's possible to condense this material (and omit parts), but not to paraphrase it.

My questions are: does this need to go in a block quote on wikipedia (to avoid copyvio)? And, does this kind of information belong on wikipedia in this form in the first place? Or should it be significantly condensed to only its most important parts anyway? asilvering (talk) 18:55, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

I can't verify this, as the alleged source suffers from an expired SSL certificate, however, crediting the source will not automatically mean it's not a copyright violation. The only time crediting the source would suffice is when the material in question is marked as a quote and it's not excessive. Courtesy ping Jmfbleak, who is one of the admins more experienced with handling copyvios. In future you might also want to ask these questions at WP:MCQ, since this is where the experts sit. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 19:05, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt mobil I did just verify it myself - I assure you it exists! It is certainly most of the page, but I do think laws and so forth tend to get handled differently than many other kinds of writing. Thanks for the WP:MCQ link! asilvering (talk) 19:12, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Asilvering, copyright is a very important matter. But let's put it aside for a moment. Taking a wodge of somebody else's text and presenting it as if it were your own interpretation of what's written in a source that you scrupulously specify, and not text that you've taken from that source, is widely regarded as one form of plagiarism. (Indeed, I think it's universally regarded as one form of plagiarism, among people who care about plagiarism. Unfortunately it's clear that many people don't. But Wikipedia does.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:39, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm well aware of what plagiarism is. If you look at the linked article, you will see that "presenting it as if it were your own interpretation of what's written in a source" is not at all what is happening there; what's happening is an infodump. My question is about whether it is considered "unencyclopedic" or similar to quote extensively from laws etc in this way on Wikipedia. -- asilvering (talk) 04:06, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, asilvering, my "you" was primarily the impersonal "you", the informal equivalent of "one". I'd say that this infodump [good description] is "unencyclopedic", because (i) it's about what the Commission should do (or what it aspires to do) rather than what, according to reliable, independent sources, it does do (or neglects to do); (ii) its meaning will be pretty opaque to readers who aren't equipped with other sources on Kenyan law and to whom "Articles 171(2) and 230(2){b}" and the like will be meaningless; (iii) although it's obvious to you and me that it has simply been shoveled in from elsewhere, this won't be obvious to many readers who aren't familiar with Wikipedia, and it may be misunderstood as being written in Wikipedia's voice. The failure to point out that no, the text has been -- more or less (I haven't checked) -- shoveled straight in makes it a case of plagiarism. -- Hoary (talk) 04:42, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Notability

I have a fringe topic I want to make an article for, but direct sources are really scarce. How can I tell if a source is a "High Quality" source in relation to Wikipedia guidelines? Baron Rea (talk) 04:20, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

also, can I make a page some sort of draft and have someone look over it? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Baron Rea (talk • contribs) 04:42, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, you can create a draft. However, before you try, here (in this thread, on this page), please specify the subject, and, if the best three sources are online, provide links to the best three. If you're not sure which are the best three, then the best five. If they're print sources, then please specify them, clearly. Then somebody here can evaluate your sources. -- Hoary (talk) 04:48, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Please help review me for "Jaymark_215!

Can you please review for contributions? Smalemon (talk) 01:23, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

User:"Jaymark 215 appears to have made close to 300 contributions since creating an account on 7 Nov 2021. Do you have a specific question? David notMD (talk) 03:27, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Possible sockpuppetry or meat farm? "Jaymark 215 has a history of editing several Pasay election results article that are also edited by user:JKLlamera and at least six IP addresses that start with 223.25.63. (83, 162, 101, etc.) as single purpose accounts. David notMD (talk) 03:40, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Example: 2013 Pasay local elections. David notMD (talk) 09:29, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Such IP's geolocate to the area of the Phillipines that includes Pasay. It's not surprising in itself that most of the people interested in editing an article about Pasay's local elections would come from that area, nor perhaps that some of them have little interest in editing anything else. I'm not saying that sockpuppetry isn't happening, but this seems to me to be, in isolation, weak evidence for it. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.205.225.31 (talk) 19:39, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

I found it suspicious that edits to this spate of articles, some about elections more then 10 years ago, mostly were done by multiple editors in Nov 2021. I still want to know why Smalemon raised the question in the first place. David notMD (talk) 05:09, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Audio sample

Hello, i saw audio samples on some articles, what are the guidelines for that? Can you upload through wiki commons or somewhere else? Thanks Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 03:02, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

If an audio file either (a) is unambiguously in the public domain or (b) has explicitly been released under a copyleft license acceptable to Wikimedia Commons, and if the audio file would benefit one or more articles, then you're welcome to upload it to Wikimedia Commons. Most pop music and the like is conventionally copyright ("all rights reserved"), and neither copyleft or in the public domain; samples from this material are also neither copyleft or in the public domain. If you're not sure whether a file is eligible for upload to Commons, the place to ask about it is the copyright page of Commons' "village pump". -- Hoary (talk) 09:33, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@Dawit S Gondaria If you have an audio or a video file that you made yourself and own the copyright to, it's still possible Commons won't accept it. This is because certain popular file formats are encoded using licenced software that is incompatible with Commons licencing. The solution would be to convert it into an acceptable file format. See WP:AUDIO for more details. I then visit and use zamzar.com for converting them online at no cost, which I find really effective. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:22, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: & @Nick Moyes: thank you for guidance. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 07:19, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Citing Manga

Hi, I'm new to Wikipedia. I am currently trying to figure out how to add a small detail to a page about Kennedy Space Center in Pop Culture. I'm wondering how I should cite the manga volumes of JoJo's Bizarre Adventure for the details I need. Should I use a pre-existing source on Wikipedia to the volumes that links to the publisher's website, or should i use the ISBN and author info as my citation? Cheese420 (talk) 04:52, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

• Author, book title, place, publisher, year, ISBN, and page number, Cheese420. And perhaps additional info besides, such as details of the original publication. -- Hoary (talk) 05:19, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

@Cheese420 I'm going to disagree with @Hoary here. For a WP-pop cult section, you don't cite the manga, you cite a WP:RS that noticed that the manga had the KSC in it and bothered to write something about it, like at least some of the films are mentioned at [1]. Anything in that section without a decent secondary source should be removed. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:24, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

That would be better, yes. (But I'd rather got the impression that that was a lost cause.) If a secondary source comments on the pop culture item and one can cite the former, wouldn't the listing be more informative if publication details of the pop culture item itself were supplied as well? -- Hoary (talk) 11:22, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

I will not object to adding primary source as well, but personally I wouldn't bother. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:25, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Compare, for example, Death Note at Donald Trump in popular culture. Warning, the DT article has some scary stuff. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:35, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Shocking stuff indeed, Gråbergs Gråa Sång. Not least the revelation that "Trump has an article on the online encyclopedia Wikipedia." (Well I never!) -- Hoary (talk) 11:22, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

I may have to disagree here too, that does seem the least shocking item to me ;-) Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Sandbox

Hello is it possible to create an article if the first one you did has not yet been reviewed? how can I write on the sandbox if it only brings the draft I had done previously?Faith Buyaki (talk) 12:54, 22 November 2021 (UTC) Faith Buyaki (talk) 12:54, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, Faith Buyaki, it is possible. Just create and use a new sandbox. You can do this by for example clicking on User:Faith Buyaki/sandbox 2 and using that. A different name is possible; just be sure that the name starts User:Faith Buyaki/. -- Hoary (talk) 13:02, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

How to create Article page for Musical Artist

 Jasonseah69 (talk) 23:45, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

@Jasonseah69 Welcome to the Teahouse, and thank you for asking. Creating a Wikipedia article from scratch is the hardest task for anyone to achieve here - especially for a newcomer. Trying to write one about yourself is fraught with problems and issues, and will be seen as WP:PROMOTION. See our Conflict of Interest and AUTOBIOGRAPHY advice, too.

But most of all, see WP:NMUSIC - this is a shortcut link to our essential Notability criteria for musicians. If you cannot find multiple, independent, in-depth sources that have written about you in detail (ignore your own PR output), and you don't meet any of the music notability criteria, then I'm afraid there's no chance. But if you feel you do meet those criteria, it's still best to leave it to someone who wants to write about you - not try to do it yourself. That person should then gain experience in editing here for some time, and then read This Guide on creating an article and submitting it for review through our Articles for Creation process, before it goes through our final 'New Page Review' process and is allowed to remain in the encyclopaedia. That's a brief outline of the process. Please do not attempt to use your Wikipedia WP:USERPAGE to write about yourself, or it will be deleted. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:04, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Good advice above. NB take "someone who wants to write about you" to mean "someone who, unprompted, wants to write about you". Not somebody asked (let alone paid) to do so. -- Hoary (talk) 00:10, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

@Jasonseah69: Welcome to the teahouse. You can create an article, or just submit using a draft for the Articles for Creation. However, if there aren't any sources, if may be deleted, so take your own risks for creating an article, or for less risks, create a draft. To create one, go to Wikipedia:Draft. Severestorm28 (talk) 00:02, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Severestorm28, please be aware that Jasonseah69 has only made three edits, is not autoconfirmed, and therefore cannot create an article directly. Also, their user page has been deleted as G11 - unambiguous advertising or promotion. Cullen328 (talk) 01:26, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

@Cullen328: Next time-if someone is not autoconfirmed, and advertising, I'm giving them a warning. Thanks for the reminder. Severestorm28 (talk) 14:39, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Biology

Biologyassignments write briefly holozoic nutrition, parasitic nutrition, feeding mechanism in holozoic organisms. 105.112.176.163 (talk) 14:53, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

We're not doing your coursework for you, and nor will the reference desks. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 15:25, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Holozoic nutrition exists as an under-referenced, Stub article. David notMD (talk) 15:40, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Help moving my draft

Hi, I have created a draft, Draft:Angel Heredia, that I think is ready for review. Angel Heredia is already a Wikipedia page, so could someone with the needed rights move the draft to Draft:Angel Heredia (soccer) before I submit it for review? Thank you in advance! 73.162.91.15 (talk) 16:33, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you submit your draft for review and it is accepted, the reviewer will place it at the proper title. You may wish to leave a note on the draft talk page explaining the titling issue, though. 331dot (talk) 16:37, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

I went ahead and moved the draft (per Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sportspeople)#Association football (soccer)) to make it easier on the reviewer. DanCherek (talk) 16:39, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Reaching a consensus

Hello, after many failures, I have explained why my edits should be accepted. Please share your opinion on these pages:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Marcelo_Claure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ottobock Centrereded (talk) 17:41, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Centrereded. Your edits create the impression that your goal on Wikipedia is to make Marcelo Claure and Hans Georg Näder look bad. Cullen328 (talk) 18:17, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

@Centrereded: Reaching a consensus on an article talk page is much more difficult if the text that's proposed is long and consists of many sections. It is very unlikely that you will get a consensus in favour of what essentially amounts to "please restore all my edits", especially since the text you proposed to add is not quite neutral in tone. You received some very good advice and explanations of how the process works here; please take some time to read that and start a discussion about which specific points you think should be added to the article. Well-sourced criticism of individuals and companies can certainly be included in Wikipedia articles, but it has to be added in a neutral manner, and considering what is due weight. --bonadea contributions talk 20:02, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

I also have no interest in the topics, but did see many comments that proposed refernces were not considered Wikipedia reliable source, and a general sense of 'piling on' rather than neutral point of view and appropriate length. You have been hammering at these articles since at least July, with for example, an attack-toned draft Draft:Hans Georg Näder. Why this deep and persistent interest in a draft and an article about German and Bolivian businessmen, respectively? David notMD (talk) 21:05, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

I would like to add people on Merseyside people Wikipedia page

 ACtiling (talk) 19:23, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

@ACtiling, List of people from Merseyside? It's not locked or anything, you can edit it. Only add people that has a WP-article, preferably with a reference that supports that they belong on that page, see WP:TUTORIAL on how to add references. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:13, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

WP:ADVENTURE can also be useful as an intro to Wikipedia. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 20:16, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

You are on the verge of being blocked from making any edits to List of people from Merseyside. At the Administrators' Incidents board: "This is a newish editor, who is solely focussed on making changes to one article - List of people from Merseyside. They probably mean well. However, I have never before come across an editor who is so unable to listen to advice on basic editing skills - for example, they appear to believe that it's only possible to add a name to the list while removing one at the same time. They have been repeatedly advised, and occasionally warned, by several editors on numerous occasions, and directed to places like WP:Teahouse, but appear to be completely unable to comprehend what makes an edit allowable, and seem unwilling to learn. I would far prefer that they were not blocked but rather improve their skills - but sheer inability to achieve a modicum of competence appears to be an unresolvable problem. Any advice?"

At issue, SPECIFICALLY, is that you are removing existing names for no valid reason, then inserting new names, but not consistent with the alphabetical order of the list. Stop removing names. Being a person from the past is not a valid reason to remove a name. Do not remove names. Stop removing names. REALLY. Or be blocked from ever editing this article again. David notMD (talk) 21:23, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Autoconfirmed user

Hello. I would like to become an autoconfirmed user to can change two sections of the article concerning the 2021 Formula 1 World Championship; concretely the sections about the drivers' and constructors' standings.

Thank you very much yet for the answer.

Truly yours,

Patrick Vedel Patrick Vedel (talk) 16:12, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

@Patrick Vedel Welcome to the Teahouse. Actually, you are already 'auto-confirmed', having been here for more than four days and having made over 10 edits. Nick Moyes (talk) 17:16, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the answer. But If I'm already an autoconfirmed user, why can't I edit the "Drivers'" and "Constructors' standings" sections of the article about the 2021 Formula 1 World Championship? Patrick Vedel (talk) 17:36, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Patrick Vedel For follow up comments, please edit this existing section, instead of creating additional sections. What message do you get when you attempt to edit? You are long autoconfirmed and should be able to edit the article, the protection should not affect you. 331dot (talk) 17:42, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

I get the following messages/notes: "Note: This page is semi-protected so that only autoconfirmed users can edit it. If you need help getting started with editing, please visit the Teahouse."; "10:54, 8 July 2021 Deepfriedokra talk contribs protected 2021 Formula One World Championship [Edit=Require autoconfirmed or confirmed access] (expires 10:54, 8 January 2022) (Persistent disruptive editing) (hist) Tag: Twinkle (thank)". Because of that, I can't edit the article, concretely the both sections I'd like to edit. Patrick Vedel (talk) 18:49, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

@Patrick Vedel, you should be able to close that note and proceed with editing. On pages you can't edit, the edit button will be replaced with a "view source" button. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 18:04, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Tank you very much for the precision, I'll remember it. Patrick Vedel (talk) 19:36, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

Yep, @Patrick Vedel you should just close that and/or any other notes you might have and proceed to edit said article. WaterflameIsAwesome (talk) 21:33, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Why i cant see my name on wikipedia??

I have acted in a Bollywood movie as an lead actress, why i cant see myself on Wikipedia’s page 43.248.70.167 (talk) 22:07, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. If you meet the Wikipedia definition of a notable actress, you might merit an article, but it is strongly advised that you not attempt to write one yourself, see autobiography policy. 331dot (talk) 22:10, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Argonne Rebels Drum and Bugle Corps

Arbitrary merge to another page. Argonne was one of the only 13 founding corps of Drum Corps International in 1972. An editor (with no drum corps background) arbitrarily merged this page into a defunt D & B page. Argonne should hold it's own page because of it's historical significance.

Argonne73 (talk) 22:08, 22 November 2021 (UTC) Argonne73 (talk) 22:08, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Argonne73. Please stop edit warring: that is regarded as disruptive, and may get you blocked. We get that you believe that there should be a separate article about Argonne Rebels Drum and Bugle Corps; but several experienced editors have disagreed with you, and nobody (including you) has argued for its retention at WP:Articles for deletion/Argonne Rebels Drum and Bugle Corps. Wikipedia works by consensus: if you think a change should be made (or not be made) it is up to you to persuade other editors according to Wikipedia's policies. A core policy is notability: it is not enough for a subject to be "of historical significance" (or popular, important, famous, influential or several other characteristics which would contribute to notability out in the world): in Wikipedia we use the word in a special sense, which mostly comes down to "are there enough reliably published sources, wholly independent of the subject, and containing significant coverage of the subject, to base an article on?" Several editors have expressed their opinion that the existing article does not establish this. If you want the article retained it is up to you to persuade other editors that there are adequate sources to establish (which means, finding such sources) that it meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability. --ColinFine (talk) 22:51, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Seizure_Rescue_Breath

Hi there - can someone help me with my inline citations / footnotes? I am putting up my first wiki page submission and have feedback to improve this area - but unsure what else i need to do to meet criteria.

Feedback on my new page appreciated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Seizure_Rescue_Breath Claire Leaf (talk) 03:02, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Three points. First, an index number ("<ref> ... </ref>") comes immediately after a comma, period, etc; not before it. Secondly, you can (and most drafts should) reuse references: ("<ref name="XYZ">full details</ref>" for the first instance, "<ref name="XYZ" />" for each subsequent instance, where "XYZ" is something distinctive). Thirdly, for any reference, you format a link something like this Author, "[https://www.example.com/blah.blahblah/blah.html Title of the web page]", Website, date. Retrieved date. -- Hoary (talk) 03:14, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Claire Leaf. Please read Referencing for beginners. There are many techniques for creating useful references. What they all have in common is that uninformative bare URLs are not displayed, but instead text based references are displayed, which include all of the relevant bibliographic details of the reference. Things like title, author, publication or publisher, date of publication, page numbers, ISBN numbers for books, and the like. Cullen328 (talk) 03:20, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

I fixed some of the references, but in doing so, discovered that the draft as submitted is a close paraphrasing of reference #2: https://leafie.org/seizurerescuebreath/. Reword, so that the text is in your own word rather than sentences verbatim. As for the refs I did not fix, the above link shows how to convert URLs to valid refs. There remains one other problem that may b insurmountable. Wikipedia requires that for health articles, refs meet criteria described at WP:MEDRS. The refs you have do not appear to be sufficient, i.e., not review articles of multiple clinical trials. David notMD (talk) 03:48, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

"Can you plz help"

 Priyanka9868 (talk) 11:20, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

I HAVE TRIED SEVERAL TIME PUBLISHING CONTENT ON WIKIPEDIA BUT IT IS SHOWING PROMOTION CAN YOU PLZ HELP

No need for capitals, Priyanka9868. Which article(s) or draft(s) are you asking about? -- Hoary (talk) 11:29, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

This is the page Draft:Kapil Gupta — Preceding unsigned comment added by Priyanka9868 (talk • contribs) 12:06, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Priyanka9868 Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about someone and their accomplishments. A Wikipedia article about a person must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about a person, showing how they meet the special Wikipedia definition of a notable person. Most of the sources in the draft seem to be interviews with the person, or simple biographical descriptions, not in depth, significant coverage of the person. Please see Your First Article. 331dot (talk) 12:14, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

I quote the deleted draft: The company comes under IT Software ,Data Analytics , AI and IOT industries. At the very outset, OMLogic is not an marketing outsourcing company, but a strategic partner for your online marketing success. They offer a holistic “one-stop-shopping” solution for the internet marketing needs of clients. Within that, what does "strategic" add to "partner", what does "holistic" add to "one-stop-shopping", and why the "your" in "your online marketing success"? And Priyanka9868, you say that you have tried to publish this; but you have not. Or anyway "Priyanka9868" has not. Are you saying that you, Alex2321 and Sattu.pandey are all the same person? -- Hoary (talk) 12:25, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Also, are you related to Priyanka9868146? --David Biddulph (talk) 13:05, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

User:Alex2321 created the logo for CHES Special Risk that Priyanka9868146 used in Draft:CHES Special Risk. David notMD (talk) 15:35, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

No, we are not a same person. Actually he is one of my linkedin friend. I was not able to upload the logo of CHES Special Risk that why I have asked him to do so. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Priyanka9868146 (talk • contribs) 05:16, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

I need someone to check 1. Draft:Gehad Hamdy 2. Draft:Speak Up اتكلم/ي to tell me if I should add or edit anything please. Appreciated 🙏

 Ayaelmelegy (talk) 04:06, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Ayaelmelegy, I took a quick look at the first of these. It has 13 references, but there's no indication of which of the 13 is a reference for which part of the draft. Additionally, each of the 13 is just a "bare URL". Please see the section immediately above for how to improve the references. -- Hoary (talk) 04:51, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Second one, drafts also URLs. David notMD (talk) 05:18, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Template:Uw-create-kept

This template would be used when a user created a page that was under discussion, and the result is to keep it. It would display:
Hello! A page you created, [[{{{1}}}]], was under discussion and the result was to keep it. Please use the sandbox for any tests, and consider using the Article Wizard. For more information about creating articles, you may want to read Your first article. You may also want to read our introduction page to learn more about contributing. If you are unsure whether a page fits our page guidelines, it's probably best not to create it. Thank you.
 Faster than Thunder (talk) 16:15, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

@Faster than Thunder What is the purpose of this post and the one below it, please? Nick Moyes (talk) 17:22, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

They would indicate that the discussion of a page a user created resulted in it being kept. Faster than Thunder (talk) 19:00, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

If the user successfully created a page and it was deemed worthy of keeping, then they probably don’t need the instructions / admonishments in sentences 2-5. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 20:37, 20 November 2021 (UTC)

The sentences 2 - 5 are there in case they don't know about them. Faster than Thunder (talk) 06:20, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

A Request to add Template to talk page

As a new Wikipedia user, I always wondered how to add Template like example NoACEMM to a User talk. Moreno Ardan1 (talk) 3:18, 23 November 2021

FYI

 – Removed duplicate signature

As the message on your talk page suggests, you can just add {{NoACEMM}} to your own talk page. Templates usually belong to the top of talk pages. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 09:25, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

pokemon showdown

how do i find pokemon showdown ifo here DMPenguin (talk) 00:16, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

DMPenguin (talk) there is one sentence about Pokémon Showdown in the "Fan community" section of the Pokémon article. If you are able to find good published references about Pokémon Showdown you can expand the article's coverage on that topic. Karenthewriter (talk) 00:33, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

hi DMPenguin! there's also a small section on rules used by smogon, the community(?) that hosts pokémon showdown over at Pokémon_competitive_play#Smogon if you want to check that or help over there. happy editing!  melecie  t - 09:56, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Is Imslp a good source to back up my information?

Ok so I want to edit Dolores Paterno because it says there that the original lyrics were in Spanish and translated by Levi Celerio which is not true because the original sheet music from 1880 already had Tagalog lyrics and Levi Celerio added another version of lyrics.(since the original song was published before Levi was born) I don't know other sources but the sheet music in Imslp.com that explains this. Isangtaosamundo (talk) 08:28, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

In your place, I'd (i) add {{Dubious|date=November 2021}} immediately after the sentence The lyrics were translated from Spanish into Tagalog by the Filipino National Artist Levi Celerio; and (ii) raise the matter on Talk:Dolores Paterno. In the latter, give your reasons for saying that it's not true. I'm unfamiliar with imslp.com; in its current state, I have to say that it looks like mere junk. Can you perhaps retrieve an earlier, reliable version from the Wayback Machine? If so, give the title and URL of the relevant page. Feel free to cite other reliable sources (books, journals) even if they haven't been reproduced on the web and aren't downloadable. -- Hoary (talk) 10:13, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Verify my article and undelete it

 Itswajidshaikh00 (talk) 11:16, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft_talk:Wajid_shaikh

I see a draft whose text is "Hey team, i just created a page of living person autobiography with reliable sources and references citations kindly give me a hope to verifiy my new article". What I don't see is a biography of any kind. As for autobiographies, you're at the wrong website. -- Hoary (talk) 11:27, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

You have since been indefinitely blocked. You must succeed in appealing your block to have your account reinstated. David notMD (talk) 15:20, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

FTR: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Iwajidshaikh. --bonadea contributions talk 21:44, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft and article titles salted. Mjroots (talk) 11:03, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

My Talk Archives vanished

I went to my own Talk to archive discussions, only to see that my previously created archives have vanished. Any idea what happened? David notMD (talk) 11:13, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Nevermind. Tracked it down to a self-inflicted deletion of "Talk header"" months ago. David notMD (talk) 11:21, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Heading correction

How do i correct a spelling on the heading? i added an unwanted letter on the heading and need to remove it . How do i do it. 

11:19, 23 November 2021 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChabbieCee (talk • contribs)

ChabbieCee, you edit a regular heading (such as "Heading correction" for this thread) just as you edit other text. As for the titles of articles or other pages, you need to "move" a page to its new title. So if you realize that the name you want for Ms Nerwande is Elisabeth (with an "s"), you view the page User:ChabbieCee/Elizabeth Nerwande, click on the option to move it, specify User:ChabbieCee/Elisabeth Nerwande, give your reason for the move, and say (i) yes you want to move any talk page there may be (if there's no talk page, no matter), and (ii) yes there should be a redirect from the old name to the new one. -- Hoary (talk) 11:42, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

English

What is a tea house? 41.114.234.36 (talk) 13:32, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

On Wikipedia it is a friendly place where you can ask questions to get help with using and editing Wikipedia. Theroadislong (talk) 13:33, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Follow-up to Factual changes to the BDR Thermea page

Hi guys

I'm still feeling a bit lost. I have some factually updated text I would like to add to the BDR Thermea page. I have made my identity and intentions clear and being open, honest and upfront. There is no marketing-speak in the text. Please advise how I can place this new text. TracyMelass (talk) 09:52, 22 November 2021 (UTC) TracyMelass (talk) 09:52, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

@TracyMelass: As said before, you should file an edit request on the talk page at Talk:BDR Thermea by following the instructions listed at {{Request edit}}. Even though you think the text is neutral, it may not be by Wikipedia's strict standards, so it'd still be better for more experienced editors to take a second look at it before it goes into the article. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 10:00, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

@TracyMelass The best approach is to find the worst-offending sentences. For each one, create a new line and state: For [insert incorrect sentence here] please replace with ['insert better-worded sentence here] [add the url to a reliable source]. Then move on to the next issue and do the same. I fear you may have dumped a huge rewrite request on the talk page which I, for one, would not want to have to deal with. "Slowly slowly catchee monkey" as, I believe, they say. Nick Moyes (talk) 13:51, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Nick Moyes Thought I was making things easier for the editors! :) No harm intended. This is my thinking: Removed outdated text, updated facts and figures, and added a par on their new strategic focus. The company has undergone has lot of change since the original text was created. Have endeavoured to keep it short, sharp and factual and externally validated where I can. Still incorrect? I am no coder and find it really hard to navigate around Wikipedia. Sorry to be a bother but any help really appreciated.TracyMelass (talk) 13:36, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

How can I remove a website from spam or black list?

Hello

I created a page in the sandbox and requested it to be reviewed. For this post, I used various sources, including a site, which I later found out it was blocked. Is it possible for me to request and remove the site from spam or blacklist? How? Also, is there a way to edit my written draft? AlexJan24 (talk) 06:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

hi AlexJan24! your draft is located at Draft:Bitumen penetration testing, feel free to input that in the search bar (including the Draft: prefix) to get to your draft. as for the blacklisted site, what source are you trying to use? theremay be a reason over at WP:RSP as to why it's blacklisted. if you want to add a whitelist for a page in there, you can hop over to MediaWiki talk:Spam-whitelist and request there to whitelist it for your article (but don't forget to read WP:Reliable sources first!). happy editing!  melecie  t - 06:42, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

thank you @Melecie! :)

I want to use this URL: {infinitygalaxy.org/bitumen-penetration-test/}

I am pretty sure that it has a good and reliable information.

AlexJan24 (talk) 08:15, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

@AlexJan24 This is a commercial website, and content like that is often placed on them to help promote their business and public perception. Can you not find something more academic and less dependent of one particular company? How about https://www.academia.edu/37842763/Penetration_Test_on_Bituminous_Materials ? Nick Moyes (talk) 10:06, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello Nick Moyes, thank you for your suggestion! :)

actually, the page you mentioned is good, but does not have the content I want. Moreover it is paid content not free.

I am a petrochemical engineer. In fact, I have decided to write about such tests, which are very important and useful in the industry. As compared to other sites, I find this one to have more complete content. AlexJan24 (talk) 13:47, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Science

How do you make a tealeaf 41.190.245.5 (talk) 13:36, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, and welcome to the Teahouse. This is intended to be a friendly place for getting help in using and editing Wikipedia: for general knowledge questions, the reference desk is a better place; or often, you can look at one of our six million articles, such as tea processing. --ColinFine (talk) 14:01, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Disambiguation-links tag on redirects

In this edit I intentionally changed a redirect from targeting an article to targeting a disambiguation page. To my surprise, the "adding disambiguation links" tag was added. In a way, it makes sense (I added a link to a disambiguation page), but on the other hand, the tag is probably meant for when someone adds a link in an article without knowing it's a disambiguation page, like if I added a link to Georgia or Mercury in an article. Can something be changed so that this tagging isn't activated when the end result of the edit is a redirect? I reported this at WP:EF/FP but was sent here for a reason I don't understand: the responding editor said both that the tag isn't activated and that it's working properly. 72.77.45.188 (talk) 17:15, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

The edit filter (which interdicts edits) is separate from the tagging system (which describes what an edit is). —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 17:38, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

how do i seen how many edits i have

how do i see how many edits i have thanks DMPenguin (talk) 13:05, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

By clicking this link. -- Hoary (talk) 13:23, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi DMPenguin. Just in case you're wondering where the link that Hoary mentioned above can be found, just go to your user page in in the left-hand sidebar click on "User contributions" in the "Tools" section. Then, scroll all the way down to the very bottom of the page and click on "Edit count". That's where you'll find the aforementioned link. -- Marchjuly (talk) 13:30, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

I go to the little toolbar (Talk, Sandbox, Preferences, Beta, Watchlist, Contributions, Log out) that's to the left of my username, which is above any Wikipedia article I'm viewing when logged in. I click on Preferences and my number of edits is shown. That's what I see on an aging Mac laptop, when using Safari as a browser, but you may see something different on your computer. Karenthewriter (talk) 17:50, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Help with revision

Hello! I'm trying to revise the first two paragraphs of the Cultural context section of Cueva de las Manos and I need help with it. I've already put in a copy edit request for the whole page with the Guild of Copyeditors, but I was wondering if there was a group/person willing to help with this particular section in the meantime.

I'm trying to revise the section in accordance with the following advice of FunkMonk in the talk page:

There is some repetition in how you describe the paintings were returned to and were influential for the people throughout many thousands of years, perhaps check if someone of it can be consolidated or made less similar.

If anyone would be willing to lend a hand in this respect it would be much appreciated. If there is a better place to ask for such help, I would be grateful if someone could point me there. Thank you for taking the time to read this.

Best, Tyrone Madera (talk) 18:01, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

This might be better for the Talk Page, but one possible way to consolidate this might be to write this instead, which combines two separate statements: However, that so many people contributed to the artwork for thousands of years suggests the cave held great significance for the artists, with earlier groups influencing later ones through a continuous narrative, playing out over millennia. But that's just one possibility. Pyrrho the Skeptic (talk) 18:51, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

new wikipedia page

 2600:1700:9C80:62E0:89ED:2A1E:FE48:ACD3 (talk) 22:08, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome. If you want to create a new article(not a page), that is one of the hardest things to do here. We usually recommend that you first edit existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content.

If you still want to attempt to create a new article now, please read Your First Article and go to Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft. Unregistered users(as well as new accounts) cannot directly create new articles. 331dot (talk) 22:21, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

What do you do on this page

 Jenay Ava (talk) 22:27, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Jenay Ava Welcome to the Teahouse. What we do is welcome new users and assist them with any problems they may encounter whilst editing Wikipedia. We recognise that it can be a steep learning curve to begin with, so we try to make that journey a little smoother for you in the hope that you will stick around and become one of our many regular contributors.

Unfortunately, looking at your very first few contributions, I fear you think Wikipedia talk pages might be like a chat forum. They are not, and all we do here is help build the worlds greatest online encyclopaedia, and use the talk pages to assist us in that task. You'd be most welcome to help with this undertaking (6.2 million+ article in English so far), but this place is not a social media chat site. Sorry. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:40, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Help writing a page

I have the page written and now need to post to wikipedia, I have akk the references. Please help, FletcherEmma (talk) 23:37, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@FletcherEmma welcome to Tea House!. If you want to create a new article, that is one of the hardest things to do here. We usually recommend that you first edit existing articles in areas that interest you, to get a feel for how Wikipedia operates and what is expected of article content.If you still want to attempt to create a new article now, please read Your First Article and go to Articles for Creation to create and submit a draft. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:47, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Gehad Hamdy

Hey. Is there anything I should or edit before publishing this Ayaelmelegy (talk) 22:03, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ayaelmelegy, and welcome to the Teahouse. I'm afraid there is quite a lot you need to do before that draft is publishable. The things that caught my attention are:

• Remove all the links to interviews. There are restrictions on the use of External links in articles, and in any case Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources.
• Format all the references so that a reviewer can readily evaluate which of them are likely to be most reliable and independent. See REFB, and WP:NONENG. With you anonymous URLs it is hard to see whether your draft establishes that she meets Wikipedia's criteria for notability.
• Remove all the evaluative language. No article should ever describe anything in Wikipedia's voice as "one of the most important" or "much needed". I get that you strongly approve of Hamdy's work, but none of that must come out in the article: it must be a neutral summary of what the independent sources say about her - and if there is criticism, then you should probably summarise that too. (You can quote a source that described something as "important" or "much needed" but you need to make sure that it is a source which is wholly unconnected with the subject). Please also see WP:NOTSOAPBOX. --ColinFine (talk) 23:12, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

I did some edits would you please check them? Thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ayaelmelegy (talk • contribs) 00:05, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Bold, Italics, or Quotes?

I'm writing my first ever article from scratch, albeit I've written essays for practically empty existing articles many times before, so I know what I'm doing.

One thing I'm never sure about however, is when to use bold, italics and "quotations."

Although I know that "quotations" are used on songs.

I'm at one of those situations now, while writing about some early appearances of a former footballer turned rapper.

I'm mentioning and referencing a few of the Youtube channel's he appeared on, but as they don't have Wikipedia articles like SB.TV, Mixtape Madness, Link Up TV and GRM Daily do, I'm wondering whether I should put the channel names in bold, italics or "quotations"?

Danstarr69 (talk) 14:15, 23 November 2021 (UTC) Danstarr69 (talk) 14:15, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Can I have an answer please?

Danstarr69 (talk) 21:13, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Danstarr69 Sorry you didn't get a reply until now. I guess all our volunteers were busy! We have a 'Manual of Style' which should help you (see WP:MOS), or visit WP:BOLD; WP:ITALICS and WP:QUOTATIONS for detailed guidance. Avoid using bold in articles anywhere except the first sentence to highlight the subject, and possible later on the first use of another term that is synonymous with the page title. Bold should definitely not be used to highlight YouTueb channel names or anything else.

Use italics sparingly, for things like scientific names, and use quotation marks only when you actually quote something a person genuinely said (quote it verbatim), followed by a citation to prove that they said it in that exact form. Don't make quotations very large chunks of text, and don't insert song lyrics which will probably be copyright and be instantly removed. Does that answer you now? Nick Moyes (talk) 22:53, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes I'm not sure. I've just had a quick look at the articles and the Style Manual seems to help a bit. However the Be Bold article you linked doesn't seem to mention anything about when to use Bold text. And the Italics and "Quotations" articles don't look much use either, especially as the "quotations" thing isn't what I was talking about. When you mention a song, you put the song title in quotation marks like this "Song".

Basically what I'm saying is...

Should I use bold, italics or quotation marks when I mention a website/Youtube channel which doesn't have a Wikipedia article?

Should I use bold, italics or quotation marks when I mention a film/TV show which doesn't have a Wikipedia article?

Should I use bold, italics or quotation marks when I mention a music mixtape/EP/LP/album which doesn't have a Wikipedia article?

Should I use bold, italics or quotation marks when I mention relevant business which doesn't have a Wikipedia article?

Should I use bold, italics or quotation marks when I mention an award ceremony and its categories which don't have a Wikipedia article?

Should I use bold, italics or quotation marks when I mention a person who doesn't have a Wikipedia article?

Etc etc.

Here's an example paragraph, with some of the things mentioned:

John Smith collaborated with Jim Smith on the song "Wikipedia is Great." The music video for "Wikipedia is Great" was released on the Youtube channel Wikipedia TV. He then released his album titled Wikipedia: Greatest Hits which won a Wikipedia Award for Best Album. The Wikipedia Awards were broadcast on BBC One.

Danstarr69 (talk) 23:41, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Danstarr69 Very recently I learned about MOS:TITLEABSENTBOLD and would recommend not worrying too much about the infinite rules. I'll admit I don't have an ironclad rule for italics/quotations, but whatever decision you go with, consistency within the same article is key. Sometimes certain topics have their own writing guidelines/styles tied to a specific region/grammar set.

Generally bold text guidelines are defined in MOS:BOLD, not to be confused with the philosophy of WP:BOLD EDITING. Someone else will help you if need be. Thank you for the question and happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:55, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Shushugah Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Text formatting#Italic type From reading the Italics bit in the above link, it basically looks like I should use Italics whenever I want to emphasise something in the middle of a sentence, unless it's a song of course, as I already know that those are highlighted with "quotation marks."

Danstarr69 (talk) 00:14, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Indeed! A fourth scenario that wasn't mentioned. Whether a tangentially related Article exists or doesn't exist, has no impact on whether it should be boldened/italicized or quoted. You may decide depending on its usefulness make a WP:BLUELINK for existing articles, and a WP:REDLINK for non existing articles that have strong potential to become one. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 00:31, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Ongoing Events Section

What happened with the ongoing events section on both the desktop website and the mobile website? It used to be a nicely categorized, bulleted set of news. But not it's just hyperlinks to specific wikipedia pages. I would use the previous style daily, it was a wonderful source for news. I wonder if there is a good reason for removing it, or if it was potentially even an oversight. Regardless I loved that feature and don't want to lose it :( 47.229.202.202 (talk) 01:40, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Are you confusing Portal:Current events/Sidebar and Portal:Current events? Both are linked from "In the news" on Main Page, on "Ongoing" and "Other recent events". PrimeHunter (talk) 02:06, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Paw partol

Can someone help with gross of paw patrol the movie as acorrding to box office mojo it at $130M 92.236.253.249 (talk) 17:24, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

References

 Courtesy link: PAW_Patrol:_The_Movie RudolfRed (talk) 18:08, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

 Done by Clpo13. GoingBatty (talk) 05:38, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Prime Healthcare

My interest in CAlifornia health systems drew me to Prime Healthcare, where I was struck by the difference in how Wiki editors handle the material. Whereas large systems such as Sutter and Kaiser are given the opportunity to list history, background, hospital names, etc, Prime's editing history is aggressive and heavy handed. The result is a page listing controversy and nothing else. Prime owns 45 hospitals nationwide, employs 50000 people, but you wouldn't know it by Wiki. BTW I am in no way affiliated or compensated by Prime; my research is for a graduate program. I'm just amazed at the discrepancy and poor treatment. I haven't researched it enough to determine whether sources should be improved on deleted materials, but that is different than what edit history shows. Any attempts to improve the page are immediately deleted wholesale, in apparent violation of Wiki editing rules. (I attempted to undo some edits myself) Can anyone explain this? Prime owner Prem Reddy has made a number of enemies with his handling of labor, etc. Is that at play here? Archie515 (talk) 16:46, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Courtesy link: Prime Healthcare Services Karenthewriter (talk) 17:20, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Archie515. Welcome to the Teahouse! You can discuss the issue about the content of the article on the article's talk page. The concerned editors might engage in the conversation and help you in finding a possible solution. Lightbluerain❄ (Talk | contribs) 17:24, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

thanks but page monitors refuse to allow access and have not responded to talk page requests in the past. Now locked out from making any changes to sources. Page is an embarrassment to all Wiki contributors. Archie515 (talk) 22:29, 23 November 2021 (UTC)Archie515Archie515 (talk) 22:29, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

The Controversy section is well supported by reliable published sources. It's Prime Healthcare that should be embarrassed. Maproom (talk) 23:04, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Archie515: I see you posted twice at Talk:Prime Healthcare Services. The last piece of advice you were given there was to make a specific request. I suggest you think about the worst problem with the article, and then post a specific detailed suggestion on the talk page, such as: Please change the current article text "_____________" to "_____________" based on the independent reliable source found at ___________________. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 06:45, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Do anyone think like that?

Are there people actually thinking that this page represents a universal and unbiased point of view? Owerthise (talk) 18:00, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

I think like that. It doesn't seem biased to me. What direction do you think it's biased in? Maproom (talk) 18:43, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

I don't think there is such a thing as an universal point of view, certainly not about a topic connected to religion. It looks neutral to me; it may not be perfect (no article is) but there are no obvious problems. --bonadea contributions talk 19:02, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Owerthise: Welcome to the Teahouse! If you have a specific suggestion to improve the article, please post it on Talk:Muhammad with a reliable source and the {{edit extended-protected}} template, and another editor will review your request. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 06:48, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Reftoolbar

How to change the date format for Reftoolbar? from Dmy to mdy. Thanks. —It'sCtrlwiki • talk • 06:49, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ctrlwiki: Welcome to the Teahouse! It appears that there is a discussion about this at Wikipedia talk:RefToolbar#Date formats. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 06:53, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Rv tags

Hello. Is it possible to remove tags? Thank you. Richard Michael William (talk) 06:40, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Richard Michael William: Possibly - which tags were you considering removing, and why? GoingBatty (talk) 06:50, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty, no, I've no reason, I've seen some users who edit without any tags. So I asked. Can the tags be removed without any reason? Thank you. Richard Michael William (talk) 06:57, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Richard Michael William: When tags are removed from an article, it's assumed that the problems they highlight have been resolved. If an editor feels that a tag was removed prematurely, they'll add it back at their own discretion. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:01, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu, I didn't tell about the tags of article. I told about editing tags such as "2017 wikitext editor". Thank you. Richard Michael William (talk) 07:07, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Richard Michael William: There is a difference between Wikipedia:Tags and Wikipedia:Templates I see you removed the {{under construction}} template from the Carlos Moguel Jr. article in this edit, but you cannot remove the tag "2017 wikitext editor" from the edit. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 07:09, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Richard Michael William: Those are not removable. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:11, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism

Hi, I wanted to know the precise difference between blatant and subtle vandalism. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 09:34, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

hi Itcouldbepossible! basically subtle vandalism is vandalism where there is an attempt to make it seem real or otherwise hide it from others, for example changing a date to "21 April" which may seem real until further inspection instead of something obviously fake such as "420 January" such as the case with blatant vandalism. other such cases are, from the page linked, are adding plausible misinformation to articles (such as minor alteration of facts or additions of plausible-sounding hoaxes), hiding vandalism (such as by making two bad edits and reverting only one), simultaneously using multiple accounts or IP addresses to vandalize, abuse of maintenance and deletion templates, or reverting legitimate edits with the intent of hindering the improvement of pages. happy editing!  melecie  t - 09:48, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks a bunch @Melecie. But still I want some help. Can you tell me what type of vandalism the two edits are in page Warfaze, which I reverted moments back. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 09:51, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

it may be one of those edits that fall in between, like if you understand bengali it would probably be visible that it's an attempt at vandalism, while if you don't it could be understood as an attempt to add something constructively to a page.  melecie  t - 10:01, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Yeah so the language matters. Any way thank you @Melecie. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 09:28, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Text Allignment

Any idea on text alignment in table. I want to center align some text in tables, using visual editor. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 14:44, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible I think you'd probably need to use wikisource code for that, using the "text-align:center; parameter.

PS: I've tweaked the demo warning you placed on your sandbox page as you'd left the nowiki commands in which stop it from working. So the warning now looks like it's come from me, but obviously isn't a real vandalism warning. The best way to leave warnings is to enable WP:TWINKLE in your Preferences. Then it does it automatically for you via menu options, plus a whole lot more. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:20, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Yes thanks for the edit. I know it is not a real vandalism warning. It is just my sandbox. If I had done something wrong, then you would have told me in the talk page. But anyway to get to the point, I have already TWINKLE enabled. I used it to start delete discussions, and got myself blocked for being thought to be a sockpuppet, since that page was created by another sock, and the sock with whom the checkusers thought me to be linked had edit warred with the previous sock. Anyway thats not the point. What you are saying is that it will give me warnings. Can you specify what warning, or what type of warnings??? Also it would be really kind of you, if you could tell me in a more precise way of how to use wikisource code, suddenly while I am writing in normal language. For example I am using "text-align:center" here, but nothing is happening. Please tell me the way, to center text in a table while using visual or source editor. Thanks for the answer, and regards. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 04:21, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible As I replied to you on my sandbox, it's important that you are editing tables and complex entries in WP:Source Editor not Visual Editor. Did you follow my instructions on how to switch between them, and did it work?

You will get nowhere with anything other than the simplest of tables if you stick to VE. The parameter I mentioned above is wiki markup - as written with Source Editor.

So, go to the table I put in my sandbox for you at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nick_Moyes/sandbox#Scratch_5

Click 'Edit Source' next to the heading to open the section in Source Editor. (Tell me if that function is not showing, as it means you've not forced it to display via your personal Preferences setting. My default is for it to offer me both editing tools all the time - it should be yours, too, especially if you're working on tables.)

Search for the word 'center' and you'll see 101 examples - one controlling each cell of data.

Regarding WP:TWINKLE: Go to your own userpage. Use the drop down menu box marked 'TW' to access the Twinkle menu. The first sub-item is WARN. This opens a menu box for you to explore the various options. Try leaving yourself a first level warning against vandalism, then a second, and then a third. I can't explain all the options here for you - we expect editors to very carefully' learn for themselves how to use these powerful tools (which can easily upset other users). So read the TWINKLE page and the accompanying Documentation to understand what it can do. But it covers most of the common issues of edit waring, content removal, addition of uncited content, harassment, conflict of interest, spamming, plus single issue notices like encouragement to use edit summaries, biting newcomers, etc etc. There is a complete list of warning templates (here). Nick Moyes (talk) 10:33, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Yes the edit source function is showing. Also I thought that you were telling me of editing error warnings, so I asked what type of warnings. I had pasted that warning in my sandbox just to see how it looks. I knew how to use twinkle. For the table related thing, I want to know where should I place "text-align:center; parameter? I have made my edit on your sandbox. You can see that, and tell me if it is right or wrong. You will see that the table I created, it has some errors. For the channel name column I thought of adding my talk page and then renaming the wiki link as "Itcouldbepossible". But it showed up like this: ([2]) - why??? While your wiki link it redirects it to the teahouse it shows Nick Moyes' Wikipedia Editing Channel? How come??? Why cannot I edit my wiki link to show my username, while on clicking it redirects to my talk page. For example yours show Nick Moyes' Wikipedia Editing Channel and it redirects to WP:TH Why is mine not like that?? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 11:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Gehad Hamdy

Hey. I have been editing the errors on Draft:Gehad Hamdy for while. Is there anything I should or edit before publishing? Thank you. Ayaelmelegy (talk) 00:07, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, some things need to be improved: (1) the article must have a lead portion (the introduction should not have a heading), (2) there should not be no links or Arabic letters in section headings, (3) there is too much text in the infobox, and Arabic text isn't needed there. There are other things, but you can start with this. Regards. — Alalch Emis (talk) 00:54, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

STATUS: Draft nominated for Speedy deletion and creating editor blocked as suspected sock (denies). David notMD (talk) 01:15, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

I have overhauled (Major Cleanup) the article (This specifically). Jairus is doing... 🎮🦜 02:02, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ayaelmelegy: Draft:Gehad Hamdy has no references in the "Biography" and "Speak Up" sections. Please add more independent reliable sources to your draft before submitting for AfC. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 06:34, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

GoingBatty, "Ayaelmelegy" got an indefinite block six hours before your last (and of course well-intentioned) message. -- Hoary (talk) 12:02, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Dead Links

I see that many pages have something called 'dead links'.

What are these so called 'dead links', and how can I make them alive again?? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 09:48, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

For information about dead links, read WP:Dead links. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:56, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@David Biddulph Thanks again for the answer Itcouldbepossible (talk) 13:32, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia Markup

Is there any introduction page, or help page, or user guide page for Wikipedia Markup. If there is then please provide me. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 13:56, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Itcouldbepossible, you may be looking for Help:Wikitext. DanCherek (talk) 14:15, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@DanCherek Thanks for the Wiki Help page, I am surely going to read it. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 14:17, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Creating a page ethically

Creating a page for my boss My boss is adamant that she wants a Wikipedia account (she's a prominent science communication researcher). I think she probably deserves one, but I'm also deeply aware that I'm biased as a prospective page author. Does anyone have any advice for me? I want to make my boss happy, but not by violating Wikipedia guidelines. Lorikie (talk) 14:26, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Lorikie: You'll need to read and abide by Wikipedia:Conflict of interest. DuncanHill (talk) 14:33, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Lorikie, and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for being up-front about your situation. Unfortunately, there are some formidable obstacles in the way of you being able to satisfy your boss. As Duncan says, you need to read up about conflict of interest, and further, you need to make the formal declarations that you are a paid editor (it doesn't matter if you are specifically paid to do this, from what you say it is part of your job). Next, you need to drop the idea of "deserving a page", because that assumes that a Wikipedia article is in any way for the benefit of its subject. Of course many people (and other entities) do get some benefit frrom there being a Wikipedia article about them, but that is incidental: Wikipedia has no such purpose, and indeed is indifferent as to whether the subject wants an article about them or does not want an article about them. An article about your boss will not belong to her, will not be under her control, will not necessarily say what she wants it to say, and should be based almost entirely on what people wholly unconnected with her have chosen to publish about her (good or bad!) and not on what she or her associates say or want to say. You might like to show her an article about yourself isn't necessarily a good thing.

The counterpart of "deserve" that Wikipedia actually uses is, "does the subject meet Wikipedia's criteria for notability? This is not directly related to prominence, importance, influence, popularity, or any of the other things that you might normally connect with "notability": in essence it is a question of whether there are enough reliably published sources, wholly unconnected with the subject to base an article on.

If you and she decide that you still want there to be an article, there are more hurdles. Creating a new article is much more difficult than it looks - I liken it to building a house as your first building project, or playing a public recital after your first violin lesson, and always advise new editors to put the idea aside for at least six months while they "learn the trade" and how Wikipedia works. Editors who do not heed this advice often have a frustrating time as they put in a lot of work and don't understand why their house keeps falling down. Having a conflict of interest you will likely find it even harder, as you will need to basically forget everything you know about your boss, and summarise only what those independent commentators have published.

If you decide to go ahead, you need to read your first article, and then use the articles for creation process to create a draft. --ColinFine (talk) 14:57, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

If pressed to proceed by your boss, see if there are three or more published articles about her - content at length, not just a name-mention - and then use guidance at Help:Referencing for beginners to create references in proper ref format in your Sandbox. If you cannot find publications about her, then the effort is futile. David notMD (talk) 15:52, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Lorikie: Is your boss by any chance Laura Lindenfield? If so, I think that you will have a very difficult time finding the sources you'll need for a draft article on a living person in which each and every statement has to have a reliable reference. When I Google her name, I get a number of sources but they are virtually all based on interviews (or are on websites clearly linked to her), so are not WP:INDEPENDENT. The nearest I can find that might be OK is this one at science.org which probably reaches the WP:SIGCOV for notability (specifically in her case WP:NACADEMIC) but still seems, by using language like "She is passionate about...", to take a tone that Wikipedia would not use (see WP:NPOV). Your best bet, I think, is to draft a very short article using such independent sources and then not be too disappointed if the Draft is declined: that will at least prove you have tried! Make sure you start by complying with the mandatory disclosures described at WP:PAID. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:00, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Newcomers

How, can I find all newcomers on Wikipedia??? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 14:08, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: You can find them at Special:Log/newusers but for what purpose ? 2402:3A80:1A4C:6E8:43C:D3FB:1E1F:28CA (talk) 15:01, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Is it concern if draft doesn't show up in search?

I created a draft about a dance collective called FlucT Draft:FlucT. When I do a search for "fluct" on Wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?search=fluct&title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go&ns0=1, the draft doesn't show up. This concerns me because I fear someone else may start an article on FlucT not realizing there is already a draft. Greg Dahlen (talk) 11:55, 23 November 2021 (UTC) Greg Dahlen (talk) 11:55, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Greg Dahlen To search for a draft, you must put "Draft:" in front of the draft title. Keep in mind that users are not under any obligation to first search for a draft if they want to directly create an article. I have added the submission template to your draft so you can submit it. 331dot (talk) 11:59, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

331dot thanks, I probably understood that. I just wonder if it's a good policy, because some editors may not know they have to put draft: in front, miss my draft, create their own draft, then there seems to be a duplication of effort that feels needless? Greg Dahlen (talk) 13:41, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Greg Dahlen, and welcome to the Teahouse. You can always open a discussion on this sort of issue at the Village pump. But in my view there are good reasons for the way it is. The Wikipedia that the public sees is six million encyclopaedia articles: nothing else. That's all that is indexed by external search engines, and that's all that the Wikipedia search box gives you unless you tell it otherwise. All the rest - talk pages, drafts, user pages, projects pages, policies, essays, etc, are "under the bonnet", seen only by those who choose to look inside. --ColinFine (talk) 13:59, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Greg Dahlen: There is actually a clever feature which makes it unlikely anyone would accidentally start a second draft with exactly the same name as one that already exists. If you go through all the steps to begin a new article called "FlucT" by typing that in the search box, choosing the option to "Search for pages containing FlucT" and then clicking on the red link in the search output page where it says "You may create the page "FlucT", but consider checking the search results below to see whether the topic is already covered." you'll find that the newly created page will have a big banner at the top saying "There is a draft for this article at Draft:FlucT." You can confirm this by clicking on the redlink I placed in this answer, which cuts out all the searching and will now go straight into draft creation mode when clicked. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:18, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Problem with visual editor

When I edit wikitables using Visual Editor, the tools doesn't work, I'm trying to edit a text within the table but whenever I tap the wikitable, it goes lock. Can anyone help me? Anyone? —It'sCtrlwiki • talk • 05:31, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ctrlwiki: Could you tell us which table in which article you're trying to edit? The most common cause that I can think of is that the table's cells are created with templates instead of the usual table syntax, but I have to see the table itself to know. ◢  Ganbaruby!  (talk) 09:46, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

In filmography table. After seeing this problem, I've tried to edit in other device, but still not working. Maybe only mobile user can experience this problem. The Visual editor was okay before, it works well, but it is not working now. It's not a template, it's wikitable, could you please help me, I can't edit using visual editor—It'sCtrlwiki • talk • 12:04, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

The question you were asked was "which table in which article"? --David Biddulph (talk) 13:08, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Blp articles, or almost all articles that has wikitable. I'm using VE until now because of referencing. But using VE to edit wikitables, doesn't work when using a mobile. The VE is working properly before—It'sCtrlwiki • talk • 13:17, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ctrlwiki: Please provide the specific name of one article where you are having this issue. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 05:34, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Try to look my sandbox, there is a draft article with a table there. I can't link specific article, because I'm having this problem in all articles that has a table, my example is my sandbox—It'sCtrlwiki • talk • 06:20, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ctrlwiki: I had no problem editing the wikitable on user:Ctrlwiki/sandbox with VisualEditor with my Windows 10 PC and Google Chrome. What hardware/software are you using? Are you using the Wikipedia app? Or are you using browser on your phone (in mobile view or desktop view)? What do you mean "it goes lock"? Could you please provide a screenshot of that situation? GoingBatty (talk) 15:29, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Distracting AFC submission templates

Does anyone know how to collapse or get the "this topic is not notable" AFC submission templates out of the way? I'm trying to work on a draft article, and they're distracting and take up about half of the page. wizzito | say hello! 12:43, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Those templates were put there for the benefit of reviewers, and of anyone who might want to work on improving the draft. You should not remove or collapse them. That's why they all say "Do not remove this line!" Maproom (talk) 13:37, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Thing is, they are INCREDIBLY distracting to look at, I at least want to move them to the bottom at the page if I can't collapse or make them invisible. I just can't have them taking up 90% of the page from the top, it bothers me a lot and prevents me from working. wizzito | say hello! 13:50, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Reality shifting has been Declined three times and Rejected twice. I have restored the Declined and Rejection and Comments to the top of the article, where those belong. David notMD (talk) 14:23, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

If you believe you can rescue this with better references, do so, but be aware that Rejected drafts are likely to be deleted and 'salted.' Make sure you have an off-Wikipedia copy. And understand that 'salted' means that an Administrator's approval would be needed to try again to create a draft on this topic. David notMD (talk) 14:31, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

David notMD is there seriously no way to get these to the bottom of the page (where they are still visible) or make them look less distracting? Your comments aren't helping me, sorry. Also, I am still working on the article; I had to rewrite it from scratch because the original user who created the draft made it look very bad and had bad formatting and grammar. (Also, they kept resubmitting it multiple times despite not addressing the concerns, I haven't submitted it yet.) It isn't anything speedy deletable (see Wikipedia:Drafts are not checked for notability or sanity), there's a Washington Post report and a scholarly article on the subject, but probably just needs to be worked on and more RS might need to be made before it gets published. wizzito | say hello! 14:35, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Declines and Rejections are considered a required part of draft history, so that the next reviewer can check if the weaknesses identified by previous reviewers have been addressed. Given that you have taken over a draft created and edited by other editors, you can leave a Comment to that effect with the other Comments. David notMD (talk) 14:39, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

David notMD is there no way to at least move it to a part of the page where it's visible by people contributing and reviewers, but not as distracting as a glob that takes up the first part of the page? If not, I may just have to move it to my userspace and work on it from there. wizzito | say hello! 14:42, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD noting for the record I have reverted you; @Wizzito offers up a convincing reason why they moved them down, because it was distracting for them, and as long as they move them back up before resubmitting I see no issue with that move. That is ignoring the question whether or not these templates are relevant at all considering the rewrite currently ongoing, although it appears that at least some of the original text still exists. -- Asartea ^{Talk | Contribs} 15:40, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

I have added a Comment that you are in the process of completely revising the draft. Do as much as you can before submitting. I know nothing about the topic, but will mention that as it stand now, the lead is over-referenced. Pick at most three refs to support the Lead. Those refs and the others may be used in the body of the article, as more detail on history, reception, criticism, etc. is added. David notMD (talk) 14:47, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

That's because I was working on it, putting the references in so I can use them later, and then delete the ref in the lead when I've finished reviewing the source and using it to source statements. You act like a draft should have the same standards as mainspace, and besides, I moved it to userspace anyways so I can work on it. wizzito | say hello! 14:49, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

You didn't move it, you copied & pasted the content, so please read about copying within Wikipedia. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:54, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

I want to pitch in from an outside editor. 5 declined templates, 2 separate comments, and 1 draft template? I know if I was unaware of all Wikipedia policies, this would feel very WP:BITEy to me. Is there not a better solution, in the form of an {{articlehistory}} style template? I understand why the need for all the notices (for future reviewers to know at a glance), but there can be so many better ways to do this now. --JackFromWisconsin (talk | contribs) 14:50, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

I feel like a lot of people in this thread are being BITEy too... wizzito | say hello! 15:17, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

My intention was to proffer advice on how to create a draft that is more likely to be accepted. David notMD (talk) 15:20, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

I understand, but I feel as if my questions weren't answered and were just met with a "don't do this" or "don't do that" and reverts. wizzito | say hello! 15:22, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Amkgp is Sock editing

Hi, first I was blocked on the ground of thinking to be a sockpuppet, and the sockpuppet investigation was raised by an ipv6 ip 2402:3A80:6E1:9A2E:A110:65A0:5AD7:4F15. The sock investigation page is here. In the Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments section Blablubbs commented and said The filer is obviously Amkgp loutsocking. I blocked them for a bit. Then after the block expired then again another comment was added by ipv6 user 2402:3A80:1A4E:9197:C5B8:CED1:C0FD:9A1D, and then blablubbs blocked the ipv6 again. When it was proved that I am not a sockpuppet, this ipv6 2402:3A80:1A4C:A17E:9C61:AA1F:59E2:32A2 came and added welcomed me. Till date, I could not understand anything, why an ipv6 was coming an leaving me messages on my talk page. Today again an ipv6 2402:3A80:1A4C:6E8:43C:D3FB:1E1F:28CA came and gave me a vandalism warning on an edit that I made two articles namely, Piet van der Sluijs and Dré Saris, where I had only added a more reference needted tag using twinkle. It was my mistake or not is a far matter, but then he leaves me another link to learn wikipedia in under an hour link. He also answers one of my questions in the teahouse. The thing is all these ipv6 start with 2402:3A80, and blablubbs has stated previously that it is block evasion of sock amkgp. Now what is to be done? Should I raise a sockpuppet investigation request?? Would it be possible to block just huge range ipv6s? Please give me suggestion in this matter. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 16:20, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Also in there sockpuppet investigation page [[3]] we can see that the suspected sock puppets ipv6 also starts with 2402:3A80. We can also see that he got blocked because he used to edit logged out for a couple of time, and he was blocked for that reason. And also in a further section we see that he also used or uses 2409:4061::/36 this ipv6 range. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Itcouldbepossible (talk • contribs) 16:24, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Article Not Published - not adequate sources

Hi, I am trying to publish an article about a triceratops skull nicknamed 'Dragon King' which was sold last year which is the biggest skull ever found, but the article was rejected due to a lack of sources. The sale was private so there wasn't a lot of press generated, but what there was is referenced. The skull is definitely the biggest in the world. How would I go about validating that? Would an image of the skull with dimensions count? What could I use to validate it.

Any suggestions would be very welcome. I should make clear that I have no financial stake in this at all, it is simply a fact that the skull is the biggest found and I think should be public information. Maudjohnson90 (talk) 16:27, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Maudjohnson90 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia articles summarize what publicly available independent reliable sources say about a topic. If a topic is not sufficiently covered in such sources, it cannot be on Wikipedia. Documents in private hands or otherwise not available to the public cannot be used as sources here. Did no sources cover this sale, or its discovery? If some did, but not enough for a standalone article, there may be an existing article this could be mentioned in. 331dot (talk) 16:37, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Shouldn't you first put any reliable information at Triceratops#Size, Maudjohnson90? That's a pretty well-watched article and if you think that particular skull needs another full article, you could discuss that on the Talk Page at Talk:Triceratops Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:59, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Mike Turnbull! I have added information under Triceratops#Skull and that has remained since I added it. I'll discuss on the Talk Page as suggested. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maudjohnson90 (talk • contribs) 17:05, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Final Publish

Hello Sir, how much time does it take for the draft to get finally published ? Thank you. Johnalphanso (talk) 17:19, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

You have not created nor submitted a draft to Articles for Creation. Is there a particular draft you are interested in? — Preceding unsigned comment added by David notMD (talk • contribs) 18:09, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Johnalphanso, and welcome to the Teahouse. There is no simple answer to your quewstion: a draft takes as long to be published as it takes. There is no queue, no schedule, no deadline: all editors are volunteers, and work on what they choose when they choose. If you're talking about Draft:Sanskar Desai, that will not get reviewed until it is submitted for review (add {{subst:AFC/draft}} to the top). But it will not get accepted until somebody follows Theroadislong's advice in the comment and removes all the unreliable sources from the list. It will likely not get accepted until somebody reformats the references from a useless list of URLs to a meaningful set of citations - see CITE. There are probably other things that need improving too: in particular, the question of whether it has been worked on by a paid editor. --ColinFine (talk) 18:10, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

How do I contribute images?

 Bettertoseeit (talk) 19:29, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Bettertoseeit Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please review WP:UPIMAGE carefully. It's not as easy to do as it may appear. You must be autoconfirmed(account is four days old with 10 edits or more) to upload images yourself, but you can visit Files for upload to get assistance with doing so if not autoconfirmed. 331dot (talk) 19:54, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

ASIAN MONTH

i would like to ask if my translated ( not fully complete article counts for the ediathon asian month in order to get a postcard Georgekagian (talk) 21:37, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Georgekagian Welcome to Tea House! Your question is better asked on Wikipedia talk:Wikipedia Asian Month/2021 but if you add {{WAM talk 2021}} to the talk page of said article, a WikiProject judge will determine its eligibility for you. I doubt a full translation is needed, since each article can be independently edited anyways. It needs to comply with English Wikipedia WP:5 Principles whereas it may differ in other languages. Thank you for the question and happy editing! Good luck with the edit-a-thon! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 21:49, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Georgekagian, looking at here, it looks like it counts unless it was a pure machine translation (e.g. Google Translate) that you didn't copy edit to correct any errors. {{u|Sdkb}} ^talk 21:50, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Tendentious editing

This is not marked as an essay. This is also not marked with the green symbol for policy, guidelines pages. So, how important are these types of guideline pages? Knight Skywalker (talk) 12:58, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Very important. It's a supplementary explantion to the guideline WP:DE, and carries the same status. Mjroots (talk) 13:15, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Mjroots: If this is very important, then why Wikipedia is not including the green symbol in the box? --Knight Skywalker (talk) 14:13, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Knight Skywalker: Green symbol not being included in the box is not important for deciding whether the page is important. It's important because it's an explanatory supplement to a guideline. It doesn't need a green symbol to be important. — Alalch Emis (talk) 01:00, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

I didn't use the bold format, but still the above lines are showing as in bold to me. --Knight Skywalker (talk) 14:15, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

You used the bold format by putting a semi-colon before the colon at the start of the line. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

I've fixed the bold. Mjroots (talk) 16:45, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

This page is not one of Wikipedia's policies or guidelines, as it has not been thoroughly vetted by the community.

Also it has category. Wikipedia essays (−) (±) Knight Skywalker (talk) 17:11, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Explanatory supplements are often initially created and developed as essays and then the community adopts them as vetted—but not quite as "thoroughly vetted" yet. The essay categories are not subsequently removed. Many essays that are marked as just an essay are also very important. — Alalch Emis (talk) 01:16, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

IP blocking for 31 hours

Hello, Teahouse hosts…

I hope you don’t mind me asking this question: When administrators impose a block on IP addresses for the first time, the length of the block is usually 31 hours (1 day, 7 hours). Do you have any idea why administrators chose this value? Thanks. — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — SANDBOXES — LOGS — 15:35, 24 November 2021 (UTC).

It's so that they don't just wait 24 and return to the same things. 31h is also a standard length in the blocking dropdown menu and has been since before I was an admin. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 15:56, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Imagine a kid messing around in study hall, causing a school's IP to be blocked. A 24-hour block would allow him or her to come back the next day during the same period to cause more trouble. Deor (talk) 16:24, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Deor and Jéské Couriano:

Thanks for letting me know about this. Come to think of it, that value might be why IP addresses don’t vandalize/disrupt Wikipedia again after their block expires. (Although I don’t know how many.) — 3PPYB6 — TALK — CONTRIBS — SANDBOXES — LOGS — 01:20, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

What did I do wrong?

I'm the guy who created the article for Legends of the Multiverse: Draft:Legends of the Multiverse, just wondering why you rejected it? LoudCasaGumInsanityBFDI (talk) 22:05, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

LoudCasaGumInsanityBFDI Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The reason for the decline(not rejection) was left by the reviewer at the top of the draft. Do you have specific questions about it? 331dot (talk) 22:10, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

In short, your draft seems to have no sources. 331dot (talk) 22:10, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

The fan film does not have any progress on the production yet, why do you expect it to be full of sources? Sources will only be added during production. (also i'm new here on wikipedia so i don't know what exactly are sources) LoudCasaGumInsanityBFDI (talk) 22:15, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

LoudCasaGumInsanityBFDI Please review what a reliable source is. If no independent reliable sources have written about your film, showing how it meets the special Wikipedia definition of a notable film, it cannot be written about on Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not a place to just tell about something.

If you have further comment, please edit this existing section, instead of creating additional sections. Please also review conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 22:21, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

"Legends of the Multiverse is widely regarded as among one of the greatest film series ever made", but "Production will begin in 5 December 2021." I see why this draft has been described as a blatant hoax. Maproom (talk) 22:31, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

FYI

 – Combined sections. GoingBatty (talk) 00:16, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

But the movie is overall just an idea from my mind, I'm actually making this movie with my two best friends. So technically, I wouldn't call it a "hoax" since it's actually coming to YouTube. Did you even read the entire article? If you don't want an article related to my fan film in this site, where else do I put it?

(p.s. irrelevant question: do you like the idea of my fan film trilogy?) LoudCasaGumInsanityBFDI (talk) 22:45, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

"where else do I put it?" Facebook, maybe. Maproom (talk) 22:49, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

LoudCasaGumInsanityBFDI Yes, Wikpedia is not for people to tell the world about what they do. When the New York Times or CNN or BBC write about your film, then someone independent of you will write an article about it. Until then, you will need to use social media. 331dot (talk) 22:53, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

I don't use Facebook and which specific social media do I share the movie's existence? LoudCasaGumInsanityBFDI (talk) 23:05, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@LoudCasaGumInsanityBFDI anywhere else but here. Please stop creating a new section for each question. ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 23:07, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Make a YouTube video telling the world that you are making a film. 331dot (talk) 23:12, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Basically I think you may benefit from reading WP:NOT & internalizing what it says about what Wikipedia is not, you may find it imperative. Celestina007 (talk) 23:19, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

You can also have a look at WP:OUT, LoudCasaGumInsanityBFDI. --ColinFine (talk) 23:21, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Loud now indef blocked. David notMD (talk) 02:22, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Review of draft

Hello Sir, I have just made some changes in draft Sanskar Desai as per comments of expert editor to remove blogs and press releases. I have replaced it with other reliable citations. Please guide me . I have also requested for review. Am I on the right track? This is my first New page created hence need your guidance.Thank youJohnalphanso (talk) 02:35, 25 November 2021 (UTC) Johnalphanso (talk) 02:35, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

According to Draft:Sanskar Desai, this person seems to have been busy doing things, but this doesn't make him noteworthy. You should do either or (preferably) both of two things. (A) Here, in this thread, specify the three best sources about him: reliable sources, discussing him or his work in detail. (B) We read "His work has been nominated in several film festivals internationally and have won awards." Which work, which awards? Improve the draft by providing this specific information, which of course must be backed up by reliable sources. -- Hoary (talk) 02:52, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

It appears you wanted to submit the draft to AfC, but put the wrong tag on top. Before you do submit, the refs should be maed into proper refs rather than the URLs there now. See Help:Referencing for beginners David notMD (talk) 02:56, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

section formatting

I had a draft reviewed and the reviewer suggested I use "==Section Formatting==". I cannot find any information on ==Section Formatting== on any of the help pages. Can someone send me a link which explains what ==Section Formatting== is and how to implement it? I appreciate the review and suggestions. SharedHeritage (talk) 00:33, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Looking at your draft, it's divided into headings using bold text titles, which isn't how articles are typically ordered here. If you replace the bold formatting on your section titles with two equals signs on either side, it'll create a more traditional section header for each title, which also then forces the page to create a table of contents and allows easier navigation. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 00:42, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank You. SharedHeritage (talk) 00:47, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

SharedHeritage COURTESY: Draft:Peebles Homestead You fixed that, but there are other problems. Several descriptive paragraphs have no references. Much of the content about his military service is general history, i.e., not about him (nor is it about the house). Hence, not relevant. David notMD (talk) 02:09, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

SharedHeritage (talk) your draft has great promise. The section on the homestead today used one reference source three times, so I reformatted the citations so that the references are combined. You did a good job of finding references, can any of your sources be used for paragraphs that have no references? If not, where did you find the data about the house dimensions and construction details? If it was from a published source (such as a history book or local newspaper article) those can be used as a reference. Unfortunately, if it was from an unpublished source (such as handwritten notes found at a historical society) that would be considered original research and can't be used as a reference. You'll need to do some more work on your draft, but I'm sure it can be improved enough to be accepted. Keep up the good work. Karenthewriter (talk) 09:37, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Ownership gap between 1838 and 1994. David notMD (talk) 10:22, 22 November 2021 (UTC)

Karenthewriter, Thanks for combining my multiple citations; I couldn't figure that out! The dimensions for the house (and other observations) came from me. I measured the house to see if the dimensions matched the 1798 Tax records, but I'm sure I can find them in other sources, especially the State Museum Survey. Also, I think the few sentences about Peebles' military record are relevant, because his military service adds credibility to the comment that the property could be eligible for the National Register. Without a notable person, places like Monticello and Montpelier would just be old brick houses. I could insert his military service elsewhere. Thoughts? Granted, Peebles service and the Cumberland County Militia could be separate articles which I can't do right now. I will clean up my citations. SharedHeritage (talk) 01:13, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@SharedHeritage: To answer your original question, see MOS:SECTIONS. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 05:27, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

SharedHeritage (talk) I'm glad I could help with your multiple citations. I've been an editor since 2007 and I just recently mastered that skill. There's a lot to learn. As David notMD stated the information about Peebles military service isn't about the homestead you're writing about, so a reviewer might feel its unnecessary. (I'm not a reviewer, so I am no expert on that subject.) You mention Peebles received two different land grants. Did he receive any of his land due to his military service? If so you could state that, which would tie in the homestead with him being in the military. I live in northwest Pennsylvania, and some of the area's earliest settlers apparently received land because of their Revolutionary War service, so that's why I asked about the land grants.

One thing you need to be aware of is that Wikipedia does not want any original research, or writers speculating on what happened. (To quote Sergeant Friday from the old TV show Dragnet – "Just the facts, ma'am.") So I'm a bit concerned about such phrases as "it is reasonable to believe that the windows are original..." and "The two front doors were likely replaced at this time," for that reads as though you are guessing or giving an opinion. You can quote someone and say that researcher Joe Smart-Guy believes the windows are original, and give a reference citation, but don't make it sound as though it's your conclusion. Remember that you're writing an encyclopedia article for the general reading public, and not trying to convince a historical commission to add the house to the National Register. I hope I'm not overwhelming your with details, but I'm aware that writing for Wikipedia means following Wikipedia rules. Best wishes on your research and writing project. Karenthewriter (talk) 05:44, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

To reinforce the above, "No original research" means no observations by you. David notMD (talk) 02:58, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Is Template:Db-f9 actually being considered for deletion?

The page Template:Db-f9 says:

This template may meet Wikipedia's criteria for speedy deletion because it appears to have been copied from an unspecified source, which does not have a license compatible with Wikipedia, and the uploader does not assert fair use or make a credible claim of permission.

Is this actually true of the template, or is this meant to be inserted on copied pages? I.hate.spam.mail.here (talk) 03:40, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

It is, as the transcluded documentation says, intended to be inserted within a copied page. Thanks to substitution, if the page is a template, it will start "This template". -- Hoary (talk) 03:53, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Protected This Page

Hello Dear, Wikipedia Team

Hope you doing well, I face some issue Some people are manipulating this page. Please protect this page.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anshuman

Thank You. Coolblack4 (talk) 04:37, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

@Coolblack4 Hi, and welcome to Wikipedia Teahouse. Here you can ask questions and get them answered.

You cannot request page protection here like this. Click this link, and then click the 'request protection' button. Then it will ask for the page title of the page, that you want to protect. Next you have to give a suitable reason for seeking protection. Then press 'submit request' button. An administrator will view your request. If he / she thinks that your reason is justified, and the page really needs protection, then he / she will obviously protect the page. I hope you find this helpful. Happy editing. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 04:58, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

I've handled this situation by sock-blocking Coolblack4. DMacks (talk) 05:05, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Might wanna ask for a global lock; the sockmaster is known to be an issue across multiple wikis. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 05:10, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Add (journalist) to title

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anshuman_Tiwari

Can you write this in brackets as journalist because it is journalist? You can write Journalist in back of their name in brackets. Coolblack4 (talk) 10:21, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Coolblack4, and welcome to the Teahouse. We use a term in parenthesis like that in an article title only when it is necessary to distinguish between different people (or other subjects) with the same name. See WP:Disambiguation. --ColinFine (talk) 11:44, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Something drastic certainly should be done to this article. Sample: In digital journalism, he has created and successfully established an innovative and exclusive multilingual digital first content vertical moneybhaskar.com for Danik Bhaskar Group, DB Corp. It is the largest Hindi business portal and offers guidance, utility and wisdom based jargon free economic-business and investment content to aspiring readers in Hindi. (For one thing, I wonder what is being excluded.) -- Hoary (talk) 12:06, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

OP sock-blocked. DMacks (talk) 05:19, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Regarding Manipal Hospitals Klang

Business has been bought over, and need to update/amend the old wiki page Hi all,

We have recently acquired a new facility we have made the necessary changes to google business profile etc. Unfortunately google still pulls the old wiki, which is related to the older business name. I tried editing the page, but the edits got undone. RSD Digital (talk) 01:22, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

 Note: added header. unsure if Manipal Hospitals Klang is the relevant page, but their only edits seem to be on that page and those edits were revdel'd  melecie  t - 01:27, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

hi RSD Digital! firstly, if you do come from the company, you might want to step out of the article entirely, you may have a conflict of interest that makes it hard for you to edit about your company neutrally. instead of this, you may instead send a edit request to the talk page of the article.

before wikipedia is able to update business changes such as a name change, this change has to be reported to by reliable and independent sources. additionally, the changes seem to have been revision deleted, unless the company site's data is under a suitable license, it cannot be copied over to wikipedia. happy editing!  melecie  t - 01:36, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

@RSD Digital: In addition to what Melecie has written above:

• Please never copy material from elsewhere onto Wikipedia. We can't accept it for two reasons, 1) due to Wikipedia's very specific content licensing, we need to make sure we are allowed to use it copyright-wise and 2) probably 99% of the texts not specifically written for Wikipedia can't be used here, both from a verifyability and Neutral point of view standpoint.

• I am not an administrator and therefore cannot see the deleted revisions, however, based on the URL that was given when removing it, it fails both the verifyability and neutral point of view requirements. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 05:42, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Make a redirect page

Hi everyone, Board of Control for Cricket in India article needs a redirect page from short form 'BCCI', most of the folks know this board by its abbreviated name. I tried to create BCCI but show blue link to disambiguation article. Google doesn't give WP article, when I searched BCCI. Newton Euro (talk) 05:39, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Most people who know of the Board of Control for Cricket in India may know it as "BCCI"; but many people know of BCCI as the failed bank. How is the disambiguation page unsatisfactory, Newton Euro? -- Hoary (talk) 05:57, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Errors on page for COVID-19_pandemic_in_South_Africa

 Dirk J Loots (talk) 05:57, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Good morning. I have noticed an error on the page and added a comment there, but it is not being corrected. The daily increase is wrong for 23 November 2021 and is having a roll on effect to 24 November. Dirk J Loots (talk) 06:02, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi! Do you have a source for those statistics, or is the stat in the page just not correct according to the existing source? WhoAteMyButter (📨_talk│📝^contribs) 06:19, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Retrospective antigen test results were added on 2021-11-23 which has caused confusion. COVID-19 pandemic in South Africa has a chart that's correct, and I've asked the people who update the infobox at the top of the page to use that chart's data (per the NICD sources on the talk page) to fix the daily increases. -- Jeandré, 2021-11-25t07:13z

My Talk Page

As you see now, my talk page has become a little clumsy. What is the way to make it clean? Should I archive them or is there any other option? Seeking for options. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 13:58, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: While you're allowed to delete conversations from your own talk page, archiving is recommended because it makes it more convenient for you and other editors to find those old conversations in the future. There are a few different ways to archive a talk page – you can do it manually or have a bot help you – and there is more information about each of those at Help:Archiving a talk page. DanCherek (talk) 14:22, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@DanCherek I have archived the archival messages left by a bot on my talk page and have shifted them here. But I cannot move the three notification to three different headings, it is coming under a single heading. Please can you help me in that respect. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 14:24, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

The first section starts with {| so you need to end it with |}. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:30, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@David Biddulph I don't understand how to do it. Could you possibly do it for me? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 04:51, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

As, I said, simply add |} to the end of that first section, see this edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 07:01, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Categorizing edits

Does categorizing edits count? For example the person who has the most edits, ser amantio ne nicao, he has most of categorizing edits, so does those edits count. Are those edits given value?? Please clarify Itcouldbepossible (talk) 07:41, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Itcouldbepossible. I don't think it really makes a difference one way or another. Most editors are assessed based upon the quality of the edits they make and not the quanity of the edits they make. Only those sufferening from WP:EDITCOUNTITIS seem to care about this type of thing. It only tends matter when asking when it comes to some WP:User rights, but even then not too much. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:52, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

i am a new user at wikipedia

hello its GJAHANA i am a new user. i wrote an article about uzbek actor SHoxrux Hamdamov. but it is not publishing yet.. how long i have to wait? they will check it? will publish? coz there is not any information about him at wikipedia GJAHANA (talk) 07:51, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

@GJAHANA: Welcome to the Teahouse. Your draft article, Draft:Shoxrux Hamdamov, was not submitted for review. No worries, I've submitted it now. Review may take 2 months or more, since drafts are reviewed in no specific order, and there are 2,704 pending submissions waiting for review. I recommend learning more about WP:YFA and continuing to improve the draft in the meantime. ––FormalDude ^talk 07:56, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Che Holloway (Actor) article

Can anyone help make this acceptable for review> Having a hard time with citing and resourcing however everything looks right. Any takers? 69.193.135.110 (talk) 07:35, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

In order to fix this, another editor would have to know which part of it comes from which of the listed references. That would require a formidable amount of reading -- reading that presumably you've already done (though you should check that your memory is correct). Anyway, the pattern is Assertion.<ref>Reference for this assertion.</ref> Another assertion.<ref>Reference for this assertion.</ref> .... You've got the references more or less right; you just have to move each to the right place within the text. Wikipedia's software will then place them for you below the text, indexing them correctly. -- Hoary (talk) 08:51, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

In use

Can someone tell me what is the use of "In use template"? And how to use it. Thanks. —It'sCtrlwiki • talk • 06:50, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Most templates come with explanations of what they are for, and Template:In use is no exception. Take a look there. If you don't understand something within the explanation, feel free to ask. -- Hoary (talk) 07:17, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary: I can't understand English very well so could you please explain what is the real purpose of this template because I've seen it in a blp article, thanks—It'sCtrlwiki • talk • 13:10, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

I've read Wikipedia:Edit lock, now I understand, thanks—It'sCtrlwiki • talk • 13:18, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Page

Hi, i'm attempting to create a page for a company, which keeps being rejected as the 'submission is about a company or organization not yet shown to meet notability guidelines.' This is a large company and I've included links to various reputable sources, including national newspapers. Is there anything else i can do to get this approved?

Many thanks MSmith900 (talk) 15:07, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

MSmith900 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. First, if you represent or work for this company in any capacity, the Terms of Use require you to make a formal declaration, see WP:PAID. You should also read conflict of interest.

Like many in your position, you have a common misunderstanding as to what Wikipedia is. It is not a place to merely tell about a company and what it does. An article about a company must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the company, showing how it meets Wikipedia's special definition of a notable organization. Press releases, brief mentions, or announcements of routine business activities do not establish notability. 331dot (talk) 15:30, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Spoken Wikipedia

Is there anyone out there working on the Spoken Wikipedia project? Does anyone even care about it? I've decided to start recording some articles, but it seems as if no one does. I must admit, I was surprized to find such a thing as spoken articles exists. It seems to me that the icon "announcing" it is very small. I wonder what could be done about that? Gallomimia (talk) 05:48, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

I will admit that other than the one article I did, I don't have much interest in it for the time being. Maybe I'll pick up a requested article sometime soon. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 07:25, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm intrigued. Where is Spoken Wikipedia? I cannot find a link (not even on William the Conqueror, which claims to exist in spoken form) and it is not listed among the Wikimedia sister projects.--Verbarson (talk) 15:53, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

WP:WikiProject Spoken Wikipedia. --David Biddulph (talk) 16:01, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks. I had been looking for "Project Spoken Wikipedia" instead of "WikiProject...".--Verbarson (talk) 16:05, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Calculating Hubble's Constant using the speed of light (C) and Pi only

Hi, I see my equation has been rejected AGAIN for inclusion into the Wikipedia Hubble chart (for reference and comparison purposes ONLY),

due to the fact there are no write ups about it in the posh "closed shop" journals. That is quite true, and I definitely agree with that.

HOWEVER, if you look closely at the sources of the vast majority of the measured Hubble Constant values entered, you will quickly conclude

that the reference for each individual (or small research group) for each of the measured entries are simply the input of each independent

single observer (or small research team) working independently, and very VERY few of these are mentioned in any of those posh journals.

So, how are they (with no posh references) allowed, and not me?????????? It seems as different rules apply to "favourites"

-not exactly fair play??

All I am asking for is a "level playing field", without discrimination !!!!!!!

Is it because I dare to show Hubble's "elusive" Constant can now be easily "fixed" with a simple equation. Not "elusive" any more!!

Yours sincerely, ClownBojo (David Hine). ClownBojo (talk) 11:45, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Please impress some physicists with your insights, and when these appear in peer-reviewed, non-vanity journals, editors here may find them interesting. Until then, no. If you post any more impassioned pleas such as this, you'll be blocked for disruptiveness. -- Hoary (talk) 12:02, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Not to mention apparently admitted WP:BLOCKEVASION. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 16:06, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Asian month

I try to sumbit my article in the asian month ediathon-contest in order to get a postcard but its not working. The link that wikipedia has shared is broken it says error 500 please any help? Georgekagian (talk) 23:27, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Georgekagian: Hi there! What is the full URL of the page with the broken link, and which link on that page is broken? Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 00:19, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Based on discussions here and here, it seems to be a known problem with the Toolsforge database. There's a manual submission option at Wikipedia:Wikipedia Asian Month/Submissions. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 16:18, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Editing a wiki page with Arbitration Committee alert

I write to inform you that I have been trying to edit a page on Wikipedia with the link: Homeopathy , as I quite disagree with the present content. But every time I attempt it, the page comes with a warning as highlighted below:

You are subject to discretionary sanctions if you edit this article. The use of discretionary sanctions has been authorized by the Arbitration Committee for pages related to pseudoscience and fringe science, including this page. Please consult the awareness criteria and edit carefully. Does that mean my edits on this page will not be accepted? If not, then what does it really imply? DocHK (talk) 13:27, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

@DocHK In short, homeopathy is one area of WP that gets heated from time to time. Therefore, WP:ADMINS will react harsher to any form of WP:DISRUPTIVE editing, such as WP:EW, not following WP:BRD etc. You can edit, so can others. If you haven't I recommend reading "Frequently asked questions (FAQ)" at Talk:Homeopathy before editing. My guess is that per "I quite disagree with the present content" your edits to the article are likely to be reverted, but I don't know what WP:RS you intend to cite, so perhaps I'm wrong. Discussion is likely to be needed at the talkpage, though. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:46, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

@DocHK Agreeing or disagreeing with an article is irrelevant, because Wikipedia does not present the opinions of editors. Instead it presents what has been said about a topic by other people in reliable, independent sources.

The sanctions notice has links you may follow. The relevant one seems to me to be this section couop0led with Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions. Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 13:49, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Certainly, if you edit Homeopathy to remove the word "pseudoscience" (as you did), you will find that your edit is reverted (as it was), because the vast majority of reliable medical sources do indeed confirm that there is nothing scientific about the practice. If you wish to discuss the issue, the place to do so is Talk:Homeopathy. Black Kite (talk) 14:08, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Before considering editing the article again, read the Talk page carefully, and also at least some of the archived Talk discussions. Homeopathy is currently a Good Article (the green 'button' at top-right of the article) which means that there is a long history and consensus that it is correct as it exists. Note that at Talk, there are two recent proposals to remove/replace "pseudoscience" and both were rejected. "Sanctions" means that in addition to being reverted, you could be blocked from ever again editing the article. David notMD (talk) 16:24, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Creating Book Pages

Hello. One of the reasons I became an editor was an interest in filling some of the gaps in bibliographies I am familiar with. What I'm unsure about is if an author has a large bibliography with Wiki articles already created for most of their books (for example; Stephen Baxter bibliography), am I safe in assuming I can create pages for those novels which do not have an article, or might the lack of an article be for a reason?

Thanks in advance. John Bullock (talk) 20:01, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Such novels still have to be independently notable. Ruslik_Zero 20:07, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Jbullock83 Welcome to Tea House! In general, a notable author does not mean their books are automatically notable and vice versa, see WP:NOTINHERIT, however in the book specific Wikipedia:Notability (books) guidelines, it does mention certain famous authors' books are likely to be automatically notable. Anything by Jane G. Austin for example, but another editor may disagree. Looking at specific notability criteria for the books themselves would be the most forward process. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 20:45, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the info/reply! Ruslik, Shushugah. John Bullock (talk) 21:32, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Jbullock83, the most common building blocks for writing an acceptable Wikipedia article about a book are reviews written by professional critics or known subject matter experts, published in reliable sources such as newspapers and magazines, including reliable equivalents published online. Find the significant coverage in reliable sources first, and if the coverage is there, then proceed to write an article that summarizes what the reliable sources say about the book. Cullen328 (talk) 03:11, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for the additional info, Cullen328. If I could trouble one of you helpful people a little further; I understand the notability and sourcing requirements, but how does it work for plot summaries and character listings? I've looked through several book articles and there never appears to be a source for information about the plot. I presume it wouldn't just be taken on faith (especially if it were an editor as new as me) but I can't imagine other editors would be going off to read an entire book to verify the information. I know there are plot summaries readily available on sites like Amazon, but I've not seen anything like that referenced, and the plot summaries on Wikipedia often go into far more detail. Thanks again. John Bullock (talk) 09:47, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

@Jbullock83: There's actually a section in the manual of style that talks about this: MOS:PLOTSOURCE. Basically the books themselves are considered primary sources and don't need to be sourced for the plot, but sourcing is encouraged whenever possible, and necessary when direct quotes are used. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:43, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu thanks! You've all been a massive help. John Bullock (talk) 16:52, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Shushugah, I wouldn't say that, in the 21st century, Jane G. Austin is famous, and a quick look doesn't suggest that any of her books have articles devoted to them. (Jane Austen, perhaps?) -- Hoary (talk) 03:56, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary blah indeed! And I'm fairly certain Jack London is British, due to his last name, and among other misnomers 😅 ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 05:11, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Edit request

In the page for the page on Alsace-Lorraine (link) under the rule of the German Empire (1871-1914) I would like to add in the beginning that this page refers to the Alsace-Lorraine territory within the German Empire (1871-1914). For Alsace in modern day France refer this link LostCitrationHunter (talk) 18:07, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

This is unnecessary because of the fact that Alsace, the modern-day region, is not known as Alsace-Lorraine. Also, Lorraine is also a modern-day territory, but it is separate from Alsace because the two territories split apart. Therefore, this note is not needed. For more, see WP:SIMILAR. cheezejack | talk | contributions - 18:20, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Question from Aliganyira

while editing or contributing to any page, am I supposed to delete the content that I find there and leave there only mine or am not supposed to delete anything Aliganyira (talk) 16:24, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

@Aliganyira: Welcome to the Teahouse. It's a very general question you're asking that really depends on the context. So long as you're making constructive edits they'll be accepted and retained. They could take the form of adding reliably sourced content, removing poorly-sourced or unsourced content, correcting spelling and grammar, and so on. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 16:49, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Right. If you remove valid content (especially content that has reliable sources cited), then your edit will likely be reverted. Wikipedia is a collaborative project. You don't just go in and replace all the content you find with your own. You improve the existing content. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:19, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

@Aliganyira Well, if the edit you're making is only to add something, then you'd leave what's there. If it involves removing something (which certainly can be a valid edit), then you remove that something. If it involves changing something (ditto), then you replace what you're changing--effectively removing whatever you're making different. It might be helpful to know this, if you're not aware of it already. Each page has a history tab. You can go back and, generally, find all the past versions. So if you're concerned about removing someone else's work, just remember that anybody who has a question about what you've done can go back and see what was there before your edit--and then discuss it, or even bring it back. So it's not like you're taking your paint brushed into the art gallery and "improving" a Rembrandt. Uporządnicki (talk) 18:45, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Fair use

Why are fair use resolutions lowered?

It doesn’t make sense that Wikipedia lowers resolution on fair use images. Other wikis don’t do this. Alex Mitchell of The Goodies (talk) 23:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Alex Mitchell of The Goodies: Welcome to the Teahouse! I hope that WP:IMAGERES will answer your question. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 00:17, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

@Alex Mitchell of The Goodies Each Wiki follows its own rules, and ours on en-wiki are often firmer than most others, I hear. FAIRUSE is exactly that: we think an image which has not been released under a normal Creative Commons licence can be suitably displayed at a low resolution on a monitor screen for the purposes of being fundamentally important to a named article. But anything of higher resolution wouldn't be fair to the image owner. So we don't allow it here. Nick Moyes (talk) 19:03, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Follow-up to How do I know if a page is full?

Hi, I had on the teahouse talkback forums, and I'm afraid that even though it's been archived I never did get a satisfactory response. I've been trying various angles for a while now, I just want to know a way I can help that page without being rebuffed. My initial resistance came from editing uncontested for six months; I'm not looking to start a fight. --Smcupcake19 (talk) 05:43, 25 November 2021 (UTC) Smcupcake19 (talk) 05:43, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Smcupcake19, you disagree with other editors. It's imaginable that they are wrong and you are right. If you are confident that this is so, according to policies and guidelines of Wikipedia, and confident that you can demonstrate this, then you're free to launch a request for comment. I suggest that you spend a long time thinking the matter over, and, if you're still intent on going ahead, that you spend a long time perfecting your request. But you'd probably be wiser to take the advice you got earlier: to stop flogging a dead horse. -- Hoary (talk) 06:07, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

No article is ever 'full' if that is intended to mean that the article is so comprehensive and error free that it need never be added to again. The issue you got pushback for was your intended addition of large amount of content, criticized as being overly-detailed 'fancruft' or original research to Scrappy-Doo. You have made hundreds of edits to the article dating back to September 2020, much of it reverted, and there have been lengthy discussions of your behavior on the Talk page of the article and on your Talk page. You were blocked from editing the article for a month as a cooling off period. The article maxed at 167,700 bytes before being reduced to its current 25,000 bytes. Much of what was cut were your attempts to add detailed plot summaries of every episode of the animated series to this article about Scrappy-Doo as a character. One of your Talk page rejoinders was "But this isn't over." I disagree. David notMD (talk) 10:36, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

I apologize if that comes off as overly hostile; however, that was a while ago and is not the present. This is a response to my finding little fruit in my current attempts.Smcupcake19 (talk) 22:52, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps you'd find Scoobypedia less restrictive? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:37, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Perhaps, though I still want to help this page in a way that Wikipedia will approve of.Smcupcake19 (talk) 22:52, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Help Improve a page

Can someone help improve the page "Village Jodha Nagri". Please visit this page and let me know how and what can be added to improve. Thanks. Hchatrath (talk) 00:18, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Chak 369 JB Jodha Nagri, Gojra  melecie  t - 01:11, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

I quote: The inhabitants are well educated in this village. The villagers want to improve their village at a fast pace. It is one of the most organized villages in Punjab, Pakistan. Most of the people are working in foreign countries. That's four (admirably clear) assertions in a row, Hchatrath (though one might object that "organized village" could mean any of several things). Each assertion must be verifiable; therefore, please specify a reliable source for each (and for each of the other assertions in the draft). -- Hoary (talk) 01:47, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Submitting an article for creation

I tried submitting Draft:Today (time) for creation, but the submission was declined on account of being improperly sourced. What can I do? EddyVento (talk) 16:19, 25 November 2021 (UTC) 

No references = not accepted. David notMD (talk) 16:27, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

How do I find reliable external references then? The ones on Yesterday (time) and Tomorrow (time) only seem to refer to the title subjects. An article on today definitely would have potential to bridge yesterday and tomorrow, but I'm not seeing many sources on the time via Google. EddyVento (talk) 16:37, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

That draft doesn't have any substantive meaningful content. It's basically a dictionary definition, and that isn't what Wikipedia is for. For definitions we have Wiktionary. ~Anachronist (talk) 17:17, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Well perhaps the same can be said about Yesterday (time) and Tomorrow (time). Though those pages have "Philosophy" and "Learning and language" sections, and I was asking where to find reliable sources to add sections like that to my draft so it becomes more than just a definition page. EddyVento (talk) 17:26, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

EddyVento, the idea is that one starts with reliable sources and then creates a draft from these. Well ... I'm surprised that although you clearly know of the (somewhat feeble) article Yesterday (time), this doesn't seem to have led you to hesternal and thence hodiernal tense. -- Hoary (talk) 01:55, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Want to create an article which was deleted per AfD

Hello. I want to create an article which was deleted per AfD. The discussion tells that Carlos Mercado has no senior appearances. But now he has. Can I create this article? Thank you. Richard Michael William (talk) 10:46, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Best to create as a draft or sandbox article in this case. If you can show the the relevant notability guideline has been met, there won't be a problem in getting it moved to article space. Mjroots (talk) 12:33, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

How long ago was the AfD? David notMD (talk) 23:04, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Carlos Mercado closed about six weeks ago. Cullen328 (talk) 02:06, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

User was renamed, but without a redirect. Now old signs are all red?

Special:Log says user page moved "without leaving a redirect". All their previous signs are red and do not lead to the current user page. It's confusing at first glance and need to go through page edit history to find the current name (especially since somewhat prolific new page patroller, both before and after name change). Is that usual or has something gone wrong somewhere? Hemanthah (talk) 18:23, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

@Hemanthah can you give us more details? Nick Moyes (talk) 18:53, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Sorry, see Talk:Gold_Award_for_Best_Onscreen_Jodi for one among many examples where AfC reviewer name is red. Had to look at history to see who accepted it.

This is only a minor problem confined to article talk pages, but makes understanding pages' history just a bit confusing. Hemanthah (talk) 03:48, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Calculating and "fixing" Hubble's Constant using light speed (C) and Pi only.

Is it possible to to use the following equation as a Hubble Constant value for reference purposes only on the Hubble Chart page?

It is unique in the fact no measuring processes are involved, so accuracy of Hubble's Constant is as good as the inputted speed of light :-

 2 X a Megaparsec X C, divided by Pi to the power of 21 =  71 Kilometres / Second / Megaparsec

For this equation, a Parsec is the standard 3.26 light years. C is light speed in Kilometres / Second, and Pi is 3.142.......

This equation "fixes" Hubble's Constant directly and precisely to light speed (C) and Pi.

As this equation is original, there are no references, but it has been tested, and has successfully withstood many challenges since 2008.

I am quite happy if it were used anonymously, due to the fact there are no references.

The lack of external references was (rightly) the reason it was rejected as a stand alone article / submission.

No copyrights are involved, as it is purely lifted from my work (Astrogeometry), and is not the work of anyone else

I feel its anonymous inclusion on the Hubble Chart page would stimulate new interest in what has now become a "Hubble Constant stalemate".

Sincerely, ClownBojo ClownBojo (talk) 22:25, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Interesting. The same theory was advanced several years ago here on Wikipedia by a user named David Michael Hine. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 22:35, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Please read no original research, ClownBojo. Unless several independent people have written about the equation in reliable sources, it does not belong in Wikipedia. Period. --ColinFine (talk) 23:19, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Well that just means the obvious solution is to get a few colleagues to analyze your research and write about it, then cite them as they cite you, to add it to WP. Gallomimia (talk) 04:31, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Editing

I have an account but still can not edit semi-protected projects and need to get advice to fix my problem Carman 122909 (talk) 04:13, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

hi Carman 122909! semi-protected articles can be edited by autoconfirmed accounts and above. that'd require 10 edits and 4 days since the account's creation, and so far you have 3 edits and 0 days since you joined. you could drop a edit request in the article you'd like to edit to draw attention to what you want to add to a person who could edit the page so that they can add it for you. happy editing!  melecie  t - 05:10, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Help

Hi, I am trying to produce a page about a school named JDBY-YTT. I have looked over many other similar schools, used the same references, and Wikipedia is claiming it is an advertisement, which it is not. Please advise, as I would like this school's page to be available to the public like other schools.

Here is a link of other schools related to JDBY-YTT

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Chicago Education[edit] In 1995 Jews in Chicago attend universities at twice the rate of the overall population, and this contributes to the overall higher than average incomes.[10]

Spertus Institute for Jewish Learning and Leadership is located in Chicago.

Universities include:

Hebrew Theological College Primary and secondary schools:

Akiba-Schechter Jewish Day School Bernard Zell Anshe Emet Day School Chicago Jewish Day School Fasman Yeshiva High School Ida Crown Jewish Academy Rochelle Zell Jewish High School (former Chicagoland Jewish High School) Telshe Yeshiva

Thank you Aronrichman (talk) 19:54, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Your draft User:Aronrichman/sandbox has multiple problems, but the most serious is that it has no independent sources to show the school's notability. Without such sources showing that the school meets WP:ORG the draft will not be accepted. Very few elementary schools do meet the notability requirements. Meters (talk) 20:03, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Aronrichman (talk) I'm sure that JDBY-YTT is a fine school, but Wikipedia articles must have references with no vested interest in the subject. You may want to read Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies for more information. Your current references are what the school has written about itself, and school officials will be a bit biased in their own favor. Have there been newspaper or magazine articles published about the school's high academic standards, or ones stating that a higher-than-average number of former students go on to attend college? I did an online search and learned that Chicago has 638 public schools and 387 private schools. You need to provide references which are not written by JDBY-YTT (not the school website, and not a press release sent out by someone working for the school) that shows why the school is more notable than most of the other 1,000+ Chicago schools. That may be a difficult task, but your draft will not be accepted with your current references. Karenthewriter (talk) 05:23, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Proper attribution of fictitious authors

I've noticed an article quoting Masha Arimanova of gaming magazine GAME.EXE. However, this is actually one of multiple fictitious characters that the magazine attributed reviews to, see [[4]] for more details. Is it still correct practice to write stuff like 'Masha Arimanova of Game.EXE described the experience as "complex, but fleeting"', when that is not the actual name of the reviewer? InclusiveOR (talk) 07:44, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: ru:Game.EXE § Мифология jumps to the relevant section.  melecie  t - 08:19, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

InclusiveOR, it's quite normal in Wikipedia articles to describe this or that as written by Lewis Carroll, Yukio Mishima, etc, even though these were not their actual names. I suppose you could write "Masha Arimova (a pseudonym)" or "Masha Arimova (a fictitious name)" if you wanted to (and if you could reliably source the pseudonymy/fiction), but how would doing so help the reader? -- Hoary (talk) 08:35, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Notofication Bot

Hi, I was blocked for sometime, for being thought to be a sockpuppet. But it was proved to be false. I saw that I had written many things in the teahouse, but no archival notification came. Does bots ignore blocked users?? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 09:11, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

There are 3 Teahouse archives in which your username appears, & you received notification for each of those 3. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:31, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

@David Biddulph So when will all the rest be archived??? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 03:31, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

The next time the archiving bot runs after the specified conditions are met (48 hours after the last reply to a thread). --David Biddulph (talk) 08:39, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Visual Editing

Hi, can anybody out here tell me how I can visually edit a table, as in this page. I could figure out how I can add a new row below a specific row, but could not figure out how to change the sl. no of all the following rows, after adding a new row. I could now answer the edit request on that talk page, not only because I could not do it, but because the edit request had not provided relevant details. Anyway, can anyone please tell me the procedure of doing it. For example, consider the following. I want to add a new row after 7th row. And add new details. So what is the procedure, using visual editing. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 14:18, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible It's a two step process, involving both Visual Editor and Source Editor. I have copied the source code from the article into my Sandbox as it's too risky playing around with tables directly - and especially as this is just a demo. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Nick_Moyes/sandbox#Scratch_5 (Note that my edit summary links to the source page where the authors are credited - do this even in your sandbox please, as we need to credit other people's work when we upload it, as it isn't really ours to claim as our own)

1. You'll see I have added my very own, well-known and highly-popular YouTube Channel to a newly inserted row at position 8.
2. You should do that bit most easily in Visual Editor by Selecting Row 7, clicking the Chevron button that appears on the far left of the table and selecting Insert below.
3. Now type in all the information/data that you can, obviously numbering this as Row 8.
4. Ignore the fact that text is not aligned, you'll fix that in the next step.
5. Now save your edits (Publish Changes) then go back in, but via Edit Source so that you're editing the wikimarkup.Do not use VE. Find the row with the newly added data. (Tip: use Ctrl-F to search for my surname, so you're taken straight there.)
6. Find the line containing the position number '8' that you added. It will look likethis: |8
7. Copy and paste the style command from an existing centred cell and paste it in so it looks like this: | style="text-align:center" |8
8. Preview it to check it's centred, and repeat elsewhere as necessary.
9. For flags and so forth, find an exisiting row contining what you need and paste that in to the empty cell (also within Source Editor, not in VE)
10. Finally, you will now have to manually edit every subsequent row so that the row number shifts up one to accommodate the newly-inserted row. (You cannot do this automatically as you might using Excel.) It should take you just a few minutes to fix this. I stopped at fixing this at row 20, which is why there are two rows numbered 20 in my demo. Again, don't use VE for this step.

Please visit this Help page to appreciate what you can do in Visual Editor and all its limitations. You can't, for example, change colours with VE - you must use source editor. The 1st line of that section I linked to mentions a 'Phabricator' list of tasks to improve VE. Follow it to appreciate what can and can't yet be done. See https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T108245

Whilst you might be frustrated that you can't do everything in Visual Editor, just remember that this tool was devised to make basic editing simpler and more WYSIWYG for beginners. Experienced editors generally tend to avoid Visual Editor and prefer using Source Editor. You are now asking about very complex editing, where either only Source Editor or a combination of both editing tools will be necessary.

I hope this all makes sense. Please ping me know when you've done with the stuff in my Sandbox, and I'll then delete the content from it. Nick Moyes (talk) 16:49, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

PS: Another little tip for you: Enter as much data as you can in VE. If you can't add what you want, leave some placeholder text like aaaa bbbb ccccc etc in its place. This make it much, much easier to find the right cell to edit late in Source Editor/wikimarkup. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 16:54, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes I really don't have words to thank you man. You just helped me beyond imagination. I really did not imagine, you would use your precious time in writing so much for me. I read this page. But could not find any help. But see, you gave me the the necessary page, which has the right information. But I could not find it myself - so foolish. I just sometimes tend to wonder, how some Wikipedians, know about every help page in Wikipedia, and have explored every nook and corner of Wikipedia. They know the exact help pages, for the exact problem, and they know which help page has that needed information. For example see, the page that I was looking into, and the page that you gave me. Such a difference. I thought I might get help from the Visual Editor help page, but you gave me the actual page which has the information that I need, the Help:Table page, under the VE section. Although both the pages may seem to have the same kind of information, but it is a huge difference. And see you also left me a PS: and gave me your great tip. Yes, in that way, it is really easy to find out. Thank you again for helping me learn Wikipedia, and with all the elder Wikipedians' kind help, I am learning so fast. Thanks again. Have a nice Wikipedia career. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 04:56, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes But I cannot figure out one thing, while writing the name of the channel I wrote Itcouldbepossible, but wikipedia is thinking it to be a page, and in the preview section, I see that it is writing like [1], which it thinks to be a link, for further reference you can see that in your sandbox. While yours is not looking like mine. Can you figure out and tell me what is wrong with me. I am always getting confused. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 05:03, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible The only think "wrong with you" is your wonderful fascination in some of the minutae of Wikipedia. Nerdiness is an asset here, as is a desire to ask questions and to learn. I only hope you then put what you're learning into practice. That's why I was willing to spend time answering someone's technical questions (even though I'm no expert on tables at all - or indeed much else, if I think about it!)

The best way to learn from one's errors is first to accept that one must have made a mistake, and then to keep analysing the problem until you suddenly go ahah! that's my mistake. You never forget those types of mistakes, and that's how we learn through life.

Although not normally encouraged, I give you permission to go into that section of my sandbox and make an edit there to show me the problem you're encountering. I'm not 100% sure what you're seeing. My link was actually a wikilink to the Teahouse, modified to display my name. (In my settings it shows up as a green WP:REDIRECT for clarity, but might not on yours. A red link is to a page that doesn't exist, whether it's an article page, a user page or something else. The link you've just pasted above was to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Itcouldbepossible If you had put it as an external link (using one square bracket), it would look like this: [5] Both would not work becaue you accidentally repeated the en.wikipedia.org elements. You actually needed https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Itcouldbepossible as an external link, though that would not be appropriate for a table. This also works: Itcouldbepossible - I forced the User: bit to not display by putting a vertical pipe character at the end.

Now I think you asked somewhere else about how we learn all this stuff. Watching, reading, doing and making mistakes. It's taken me 10 years of editing to pick up the stuff I'm now happy to share with you, but I was quite able to do most of the basic editing (apart from tables - they're really scary!) after quite a short time. I worry a bit that you're wanting to "run before you can walk", but I hope I've now managed to answer all your various questions. Good luck! Nick Moyes (talk) 11:38, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Yes, you are answering all my questions to my content. And you were saying about putting into use what I am learning. Yes, I am doing that. For example when I copied the table from your sandbox to my new tables sandbox, I wrote from whom I have copied the table. What I am wanting to say is that for example I want a wiki link to my talk page, which would show up like "Itcouldbepossible", using the vertical pipe (|) character. Then why cannot I do that? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 12:28, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Very simple. [[User talk:Itcouldbepossible|Itcouldbepossible]] renders as Itcouldbepossible. For help on wikilinks, see Help:Wikilinks. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:38, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@David Biddulph Thanks, that was what I was wanting to do from the beginning. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 13:13, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible If you edit the source to this thread and look at my reply above, you should see exactly how I did it. The alternative is still to use the vertical pipe after your username, but to add different text (either your own name without the User: bit) or as I did when linking you to Albert Einstein! You'll work it out. Nick Moyes (talk) 12:48, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Yes thank you, I wanted to tell you this from the very beginning. But you could not understand it, anyway, thank you for all the other help that you provided. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 13:24, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Also I want to know how I can turn by wiki redirects to green as you said here - In my settings it shows up as a green WP:REDIRECT for clarity Itcouldbepossible (talk) 13:26, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Is it possible to mask external links to read the way I want. I mean Wiki links can be renamed as the editor wishes, is there any way in which external links can be masked, or is it at all possible? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 13:30, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible Yes. You could have something like:

External links

• West Bengal official website
• Peregrine falcon live webcamera on Derby Cathedral

Is that what you meant? Nick Moyes (talk) 20:28, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Yes thank you, that is what I meant. I wanted to know how to mask external links. So we put a "/" isn't it??? Instead of using "|" to mask to external links. Thanks for telling me. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 03:27, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

No. It's a space after the url that's needed. Look at the source code of my links to see for yourself. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:42, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Maps

I'm working on this Draft:History_of_uranium_mining_in_the_Bancroft_area but can't figure out how to label the pins on the map, or add a label for the map. Am I going ot have to learn a ton, or is it easy, or does anyone want ot vounteer to help? CT55555 (talk) 00:03, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

I see you're working with mapframe directly. Perhaps you could use templates listed on WP:MAPS? If your use case is a map with a couple of pin points, OSM Location map template is easier from what I've seen on some map pages. Hemanthah (talk) 06:05, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

See this diff on my sandbox where I used the co-ordinates from your draft to show an OSM map with two labeled points. You can copy that and add further points as you wish. Hemanthah (talk) 06:27, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Hemanthah Thanks. What you started is perfect. I'm working on it in my sandbox now (so feel free to delete from yours) many thanks. CT55555 (talk) 12:21, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Wiki Tables

Today I was editing random articles, when I came across Nach Baliye. I was reading the article, trying to find for any errors, when I came across this table [6]. I just sort of went mad seeing this table. Just a well formatted and advanced table, with all the color schemes, and just nice cell merging. Can anyone, for heaven's sake tell me how that table was created with all those attractive features. I don't really think that the Wiki markup was typed out. There must be some modern graphical interface, for doing such a tedious thing. I want to know how that table was created. I would really be glad, if I get the answer from someone who is an expert in this matter, and has been editing Wikipedia for a couple of years, because, I want the exact and precise method of creating such a table. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 14:58, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

I've been editing for over 10 years and wouldn't dare to create such a thing. I have, however, created very long data tables by starting in Excel, getting all the sorting, the text and the wikilinks and in the right places before exporting it with a tool to Wikimarkup. But I'm not aware of a tool to make tables look pretty like that - so I shall await for answers from other users more experienced in such things, too. Nick Moyes (talk) 15:27, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: It takes work, often over time with improvements by different editors, often starting with copying the format from another page. The first similar table in the article was added by an IP here with edit summary "added table like other shows Jhalak". That may refer to Jhalak Dikhhla Jaa (season 9)#Scoring Chart or an earlier season. It could maybe be tracked further back but I haven't tried. Help:Table has general help but it's complicated. Much of it is the same or similar as HTML tables which some editors already know. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:50, 23 November 2021 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Yes, but how did that specific table appear in Jhalak Dikhhla Jaa (season 9)#Scoring Chart. How was it created??? And also I wanted to know one thing, how on Earth did you find that specific page history, when the table was added?? I have seen many people doing so. Is their anyway of finding out when a specific edit was first made, and the what edits followed?? I really don't think that you flicked through the page history. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 04:14, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible There are various ways to find when an edit was first made. The slow way is to look at 500 edits in View History at a time. Let's assume that covers the entire history (if not, just increase the number to 5000 in the url bar), then you can find a rough midway point, click (and note down) the date you clicked. Is the edit showing there? IF yes, go down and divide the lower half of edits into half again, and select another date to click. Is the edit there? If 'No', then it will have been made between those two date points. Divide the edits roughly in half again and then again until you find the first one where that edit was made. Doing this in conjunction with looking at View History (green numbers are positive count of bytes added/red are negative overall additions) makes this just a few minutes work. It took me just a few moments to do that for Nach Baliye, speeded up by using Ctrl-F to search for 'Scoring Chart', of which there were 823 mentions in the edit summaries. I went to the lowest one, then scrolled down a dozen or so edits further and found a massive addition by an IP on 9 March 2019 with a very helpful edit summary. Job done.

Of course, that's the slow way. For simplest way to find when a short text string was first added to an article is to copy it, then go to the View History tab. Just above all the row entries, click Find addition/removal to use the 'WikiBlame' tool. Be aware that by default it only searches 500 of the latest edits before the date selected. So it will miss the first addition of text if it's a very heavily edited page as this one is unless you spend time to understand how to take advantage of the tool's searching features. I wouldn't use it to search for a chart being added, but I might focus on just one unique element or keyword in that chart. Hope this helps. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:09, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Thanks, I learnt a new thing. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 10:49, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

You can sort of see the evolution (of what I believe is the original & IPs copied over to other seasons) over a couple of months of 2012. That user User:Imtitanium has added a lot of tables to Hindi TV pages.

Hindi tv attracts strong fan enthusiasm, but there's also been history of paid editing in Hindi TV (and India business related topics); both together might explain the prettiness. Hemanthah (talk) 13:26, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes Thanks for the answer. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 04:07, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

How to have words between parenthesis and the parenthesis appear in the hovering preview

Hello. I would like for "Catholicate of the West (Catholic Apostolic Church)" of the lede of the article Catholicate of the West to appear in the preview when one hovers one's mouse over the hyperlink of the article. Currently, only "Catholicate of the West " (with a spaces where "(Catholic Apostolic Church)" should be) appears. Veverve (talk) 02:01, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

I think you're referring to Hovercards aka Page Previews? In it's current implementation, they've decided to exclude text within parentheticals. Hemanthah (talk) 04:17, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@Veverve There is a very good reason for not wanting content in brackets to appear within the brief preview text, as there are innumerable occasions where trivial information (alternative spellings, pronunciations, multi-language names etc) would simply drown out the key lead sentence, leaving you little understanding of the subject being previewed.

Off the top of my head Mont Blanc might be one of the lesser examples where you would not want to se the trivial information before the key facts. However, your example is already appallingly bloated by eight other synonyms hidden between commas within the first sentence before you get to the key part which actually says what it is - namely a Christian denomination established in 1944. This renders the lead appallingly unreadable and, personally, I would move all the alternative names into brackets or most or all within the second sentence of the lead paragraph.

But, if this is important to you, why not switch within your personal Preferences to using Navigation Popups? I now use Nav Popups all the time as it gives me much more detailed preview preview information which might meets my needs, and access to much more information about the page's history. Nick Moyes (talk) 09:58, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@Veverve Thank you very much for immediately changing the article layout on this suggestion. I believe it will make the page much more accessible. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 10:04, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@Hemanthah: yes, this is what I am referring to.

@Nick Moyes: you are right, I moved the other names into a second paragraph.

I hoped there was a template which would allow those parts to be present in the hovercards for any reader, in a similar spirit as to how Template:Not a typo alows to make some terms an exception. Veverve (talk) 10:08, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@Veverve I'm sure there isn't. However, I've just merged your two separate paragraphs back into one single one for the same reason that you sought in the first place. Namely, to provide information via the hovercard. In your version my NavPopus only showed one single sentence, but my latest edit now lets a user see the synonyms, too (including your favoured bit in parentheses). Nick Moyes (talk) 13:26, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Movie Chat Room

FYI

 – Fixed formatting. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 18:48, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Is there is movie chat room on here? Table at dorsia (talk) 18:42, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, @Table at dorsia. We don't have any chat fora on Wikipedia at all, as general chit chat is totally discouraged. (see WP:NOTFORUM). However, we do have Wikipedia:WikiProject Film which was formed by editors interested in improving articles about movies. You might find a visit there of interest. Nick Moyes (talk) 18:52, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Ok cool. Thanks. Can I thank people? or how do I thank or show appreciation to people? Table at dorsia (talk) 19:18, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

You can thank people by text on a user's talk page (just make sure it's not a casual conversation unrelated to Wikipedia), but you can also thank people through edits by hitting the "View history" button on an article and can hit the thank button (located next to the undo button). This will publicly send thanks to the person for the selected edit. There is also a Wikipedia:WikiLove feature (top right of a user page), allowing you to send WP:Barnstars and general appreciation to a user. Happy editing! - cheezejack | talk | contributions - 19:57, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

Got it! I sent you a goat as a thank you. Table at dorsia (talk) 13:39, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Citation error

I have a "no-break space character" error in citation number 5 of Draft:History_of_uranium_mining_in_the_Bancroft_area can anyone tell me where I'm going wrong?

CT55555 (talk) 13:24, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

In this edit I replaced the character before the word "Commission" in the "|website" parameter by a simple space. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:43, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you (talk) ! CT55555 (talk) 13:46, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Biography of deceased person, allegations of criminal behaviour

I am working on Draft:Henry_Maloney. Alegations of his abuse are reported on by the Canadian national broadcasters (i.e. a very reliable source), plus the local newspaper. I wish to proceed with utmost care and avoid breaking rules at WP:ATTACK or any other missteps. Is my draft compliant, does anyone have any coments? CT55555 (talk) 13:51, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

From the basic information in the article (ignoring the allegations of abuse) this person seems to be a classic example of a a low-profile individual who would never reach the threshold of notability for a priest. So I think we are looking at someone notable for one event and suspected of a crime. Personally, I think that these guidelines suggest the article should be declined, at least as it stands now. Clearly, Wikipedia does contain articles that describe never-proved allegations, such as Jimmy Savile sexual abuse scandal but that was a very high-profile case with multiple sources and it concerned an individual who was a media personality with their own longstanding article at Jimmy Savile. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:13, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@CT55555 I tend to agree with @Michael D. Turnbull. This is a non-notable person about whom unproven allegations appear to have been made, albeit it in a mainstream source. I don't feel that alone justifies an article unless the media followed his prior or subsequent life journey and wrote in detail on that. Nick Moyes (talk) 14:26, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Michael D. Turnbull Nick Moyes I have a history book in front of me that talks about him a few times, I was actually working on the article because I learned of him while writing about mining in Bancroft. His community work there made him seem notable to me (background Draft:History_of_uranium_mining_in_the_Bancroft_area He was maybe notable for the one event of representing the community to the prime minister, but the abuse is the second notable event, I think. So I think I can establish notability, but do welcome alternative perspectives on that element too CT55555 (talk) 14:29, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@CT55555 OK, well in that case by all means carry on if you feel they will indeed meet WP:NBIO, and assuming the book is a properly published one. I'd advise stripping out all the detailed quotes about "anal rape" and keeping that section into a couple of sentences about allegations, whilst balancing that against what you feel are notable achievements. Brief mentions alone might not be sufficient, whereas detailed accounts might well be. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 14:38, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@CT55555: I think that your draft on the uranium mine is very promising and Maloney probably deserves his mention therein. I'd give up on his stand-alone article but you're welcome to persevere and see what the reviewers say: I'm not among that august group. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:44, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Mike Turnbull If my mining one doens't make the cut, I'm giving up on this website, lol. CT55555 (talk) 14:50, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello & Help!

Hello Wiki, I'm new. I'm a long term user and donate a small amount per month. I have a public profile as a Visual Artist and really need to get a page for my profile. I am also autistic and my career is being held back by not having a page. Please could you advise me on how to do this? Many thanks and best, Becky BeckyBeasley (talk) 10:42, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

BeckyBeasley Donations to the Foundation are welcome, but Wikipedia is a separate entity. Being a donor or not has no influence on content being accepted. To you main question, Wikipedia frowns on but does not prohibit attempts at autobiography. See WP:Auto. The problem is that it is hard to write about oneself while maintaining a neutral point of view and supplying third party references for what you know to be true. If you meet the criteria for notability as an artist, that means that other people - with no connection to you - are already publishing stuff about you. For examples of articles about women artists, see Wikipedia:WikiProject Women artists, the New Articles Created section. Always remember that Wikipedia is not social media, hence the the ideat that it contains 'articles', not 'pages'. David notMD (talk) 11:18, 25 November 2021 (UTC)

If potential clients are baulking at your lack of a Wikipedia page, you never wanted them as clients to begin with. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 16:31, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Free File

How can I know if the file I am uploading to Wikipedia commons, is a free file or not?? I downloaded it from a website, but do not know if it free. I uploaded such an image to commons stating that I had downloaded it from the internet and don't know that if it is free or not. But it got deleted. So how can I make sure what I upload is not deleted. I uploaded the cover for a TV show obtained from the internet. Obviously I would not create the poster myself, so how can I then upload it to commons. Please guide me in this respect. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 12:27, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: "free" has a very specific context in this meaning. Wikimedia Commons only accepts files which are a) under very specific free license or b) are Public Domain. The majority of files found on the internet are copyrighted and cannot be uploaded to Commons. Note that, unless you are the single copyright holder of what you're uploading, you must provide evidence of the file being under the purported license for option a, or public domain for option b. I also recommend that you use the upload wizard, the first page of which is a copyright tutorial. Victor Schmidt mobil (talk) 13:09, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@Victor Schmidt mobil: I don't know if your statement is in your own words, or if it comes from some Wikipedia policy or guideline statement. But it might be more clear to say, the majority of files found on the internet are UNDER COPYRIGHT, not that they're COPYRIGHTED. Saying they're copyrighted suggests (doesn't say, but only suggests) that someone went through the copyright process with the Copyright Office. And I'd bet that that's not true with the overwhelming majority of stuff on the Internet. But it's still mostly under copyright--even if much of it is freely downloaded and uploaded. Under Copyright Law, at least in the United States, copyright subsists from the moment someone sets something down in some fixed form. The process with the Copyright Office is technically REGISTERING Copyright; it creates a legal record of the facts of copyright. It gives you certain advantages (easier to prove; registration is required before certain legal avenues can be pursued), but it doesn't create copyright. Uporządnicki (talk) 14:14, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Actually, that's not just US law - it's a condition of the Berne Convention that everything is under copyright on creation. And "under copyright" vs. "copyrighted" is a distinction without a difference as far as we and Commons are concerned. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 18:09, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Italicising works within reference titles

Is there any consensus on whether or not to italicise the titles of works within reference titles? I feel like I've read somewhere to leave the title, but there is no mention on MOS:ITALICS.

For context, reference #30 on Elisabeth Dermot Walsh has the phrase "Inside Soap Awards" in the title; as Inside Soap is the title of a work, it should be italicised within prose. Does this rule carry onto citations? – DarkGlow • 16:49, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

DarkGlow Citations just reiterate the source in every way so if it's italicized in the source's title, italicize, and if it isn't don't. Our MOS doesn't extend outwards, to dictate and regulate how others should style their texts. — Alalch Emis (talk) 18:11, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Standard ArbCom sanctions notice

Hello, again Teahouse hosts,

Sorry if I am being a bit slow here, I've tried reading the relevant links but I'm finding everything a bit opaque. I have had two "Standard ArbCom sanctions notice" dropped on my talk page by a particular administrator with whom I had a disagreement about a fairly subjective topic. No edits were involved, the discourse on the talk page remained civil throughout, and after making my case as best I could, I left the page. I'm not sharing this in an effort to get someone to overturn anything or tell me I was in the right, but I'm having a little trouble understanding what these notices mean in practical terms.

Generally speaking, I have no intention of ever making an edit on a contentious matter without approval from the talk page, but if my butting heads with one administrator over an issue that they have strong interests in means I will not be able to edit any biographies going forward, it's something I'd like to look at appealing. If it just means administrators are going to be looking a little more closely at my edits, I'm fine with that.

Thanks John Bullock (talk) 16:56, 26 November 2021 (UTC) John Bullock (talk) 16:56, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

John Bullock, both messages say "This is a standard message ... It does not imply that there are any issues with your contributions to date." They don't reflect on anything that you've done. But if you're thinking of editing articles about contentious subjects (e.g. the Palestine/Israel conflict), it's only fair to warn you that there are some rather strict rules in force there. Maproom (talk) 17:08, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick reply. No, I had no plans to edit contentious articles. I joined in the discussion on this one because I had an opinion on the proposed changes, but I would never have actually made edits that were likely to ruffle feathers unless there'd been a consensus. I was just concerned it might have affected my ability to make perfectly uncontroversial edits. The administrator in question stated that my disagreement with them should disqualify me from editing biographies at all shortly before the notice arrived, so I wasn't sure if they had... taken steps, shall we say. Thanks again. John Bullock (talk) 17:16, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Even if they had, without a formal discretionary sanctions warning for <foo> you cannot be sanctioned for actions taken in the <foo> topic area (see WP:AC/DS#Awareness). I've seen a few arbitration enforcement threads closed with no substantive action taken because the person being dragged to AE was not formally warned. —A little blue Bori v^_^v ^{Jéské Couriano} 18:19, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

but I would never have actually made edits that were likely to ruffle feathers—It's not so much the edits as the subject area that is concerned; even making minor, entirely uncontroversial edits to an article under discretionary sanctions is likely to see you given a notification of those sanctions; it's simply that editing an article in that remit at all will signal that you're paying attention to them and therefore should be given a fair heads-up about it. It doesn't reflect on the substance of anything you have done or may yet do. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 23:07, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

• Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, if I’m reading this correctly you are referencing this & this, right? I don’t think you have interacted with them nor with any sysop per se, with this current account you are using. In any case, it means you may have taken interest in topic areas that are sensitive and you ought to handle (the article) with caution, it doesn’t necessarily indicate that your edits may have run afoul of any policy or you being in any trouble, it is a standard message. Celestina007 (talk) 23:09, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Getting started

I have worked my way through a sandbox, and feel happy with the process, (except the fact that I deleted everything and cannot get it back!). I started to set up an article, but find that I cannot get it started. Simple I'm sure, but I am a bit of a dinosaur. I was pleased not to have to learn the wIKITEXT THOUGH! 121.216.194.92 (talk) 23:37, 26 November 2021 (UTC) 121.216.194.92 (talk) 23:37, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello. I recommend that you read Your first article. Cullen328 (talk) 23:42, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Actress Wanting Page Created

Hello, I am an actress and would like to establish a Wikipedia page, but I see that I may not create it myself. Sure could use some help. Where can I find someone to create this for me? Thank you. Normajeanactress (talk) 23:19, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Normajeanactress Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia has articles, not mere pages. Articles about actors/actresses must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the person, showing how they meet Wikipedia's special definition of a notable actor or actress. If you truly feel that you meet that definition, you may make a request at Requested articles, though the backlog is severe.

Be advised that a Wikipedia article is not necessarily desirable. There are good reasons to not want one. My advice is that you go on with your life and career, and allow independent editors to take note of your career and choose to write about you. That's usually the best indicator of notability. 331dot (talk) 23:34, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Normajeanactress, thank you for your interest in contributing! You can make a draft article at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Your draft will be accepted if enough info has been provided by secondary reliable sources, as per the general notability guideline. You should also write in a neutral point of view, addressing the positive and the negative aspects and avoiding unnecessary info. If you want to request the article, you can do so at Wikipedia:Requested articles. ObserveOwl (talk) 23:45, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Normajeanactress - Because of our WP:Conflict of interest policy, you obviously cannot create this article yourself. If you are notable and there are a number of reliable sources about you as an actress, you should just continue living life as stated by 331dot. You could eventually reach a point where you are notable enough, but I am unsure if the subject of you is fit for an article. Happy editing! - cheezejack | talk | contributions - 01:03, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Correction: Autobiography is frowned upon but not prohibited. See WP:AUTO. One problem in writing about oneself if finding independent references to support what you know to be true about yourself. David notMD (talk) 01:37, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Aligning

How do you align things? The banner on my talk page looks weird with the banner on the left and the I-5 shield in the middle, and I want to move the banner to the center. InterstateFive (talk) 01:30, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@InterstateFive: Welcome to the Teahouse! You can add <center>...</center> around the banner to center it, or create a table. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:19, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Pls what about jss examination

 105.112.50.40 (talk) 06:40, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. The Teahouse is for asking questions about editing Wikipedia. Do you have such a question? Cullen328 (talk) 06:46, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft decline question by Johnscy

Why my draft been declined again and again Johnscy (talk) 08:15, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello Johnscy. You have been given lots of advice on your talk page: User talk:Johnscy. Is there anything there that you don't understand?--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:08, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Johnscy: the first sentence of Draft:Ankit Yadav is blatantly promotional. So is the second sentence. The third "sentence" is not a sentence at all, it's ungrammatical. All that could be fixed. A more serious problem is that the draft cites no sources (though it does list some). To make an acceptable article, you'll need to find some independent sources (not written by the subject, not based on interviews with him), and base what you write entirely on what those sources say about him. Maproom (talk) 10:23, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Help with module editing

How do I add the presence of a particular group in a specific district without overlapping with the dot for that district? --Firestar464 (talk) 10:09, 27 November 2021 (UTC) Firestar464 (talk) 10:09, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Maybe this is about Module:Taliban_insurgency_detailed_map?   Maproom (talk) 10:26, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, I am obsessed with it :P. --Firestar464 (talk) 10:31, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Adding content on existing page

Hello Sir/Madam, I Tushar Nikam have created a new account on Wikipedia and wanted to add proper and verified content to existing wiki pages. I have been posting content from Animehunch.com as I represent them. We write the article ourselves related to our niche with proper sources. As I am new to this I have a few doubts regarding content posting,
1. Do I need to make an account for posting in the name of the company?
2. If not, Do I need to submit the documents regarding the verification for representing a company?
3. Can I create new pages which don't exist on Wikipedia?
Thank you for letting me know some things and I would like to contribute to our wiki community.
Regards, Tushar Nikam. TusharNikam5 (talk) 10:45, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Based on your contribs, you are evidently WP:NOTHERE. --Firestar464 (talk) 10:48, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@TusharNikam5: Your activity here so far only had undesirable effects, with no benefit to the encyclopedia. If you continue to display a narrow self-interested or promotional activity in article writing your editing privileges will be suspended. You can contribute as a paid editor, whereby the motivation to contribute is self-interested, but the results are objectively in the interest of Wikipedia. However it will be very hard for you to form a correct picture for what counts as benefit to Wikipedia, as someone for whom the primary motivation is self-interested. It's important that you understand and accept this, and to try to learn how Wikipedia is improved through normal editorial processes which are all based around selfless, volunteering, work. To answer your questions:

1. Posting in the name of your company, such as by creating an account for the company, to represent the company here, is prohibited. You can only contribute as an individual, so that it is always you as a human person who is associated with the account (see WP:NAMEGUIDE). Then you would be required to disclose your employer/client/affiliations per WP:PAID. Despite being paid, you would still be using the account in your own name and on your own behalf, and this disclosure would simply inform the community of a specific type of risk arising from your activity, that would be constantly scrutinized. Since your current account has already been used for paid editing, don't create another account for this purpose.
2. You don't need to submit any documents.
3. You would be able to submit new articles in accordance with the Wikipedia:Conflict of interest guideline; this means that Wikipedia:Articles for creation would need to be used.

— Alalch Emis (talk) 12:29, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Do not create more than one account and then use more than one account to edit an article. Wikipedia refers to that as sockpuppetry (WP:SOCKPUPPET), which will lead to being indefinitely blocked from editing. David notMD (talk) 14:53, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Section of an Article

in the section Characteristics in the Woody (Toy Story) article is it fine to keep/necessary or is it something that should actually be in the article? Kaleeb18 (talk) 15:05, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: Welcome to the teahouse, yes, you can keep it, but in that section you pointed out, there is a lot of citation markings, and you might want to do some research to add citations (if needed). So far, there is 2-3 "citation needed" markings, and do some research! Maybe you can add citations and erase the markings on the page. Severestorm28 (talk) 15:12, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

The place to ask is on the article's talk page. --David Biddulph (talk) 15:13, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: yes I know, but nothing ever gets answered there until a year later. Kaleeb18 (talk) 15:15, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@David Biddulph: I think @Kaleeb18: meant to ask here, at the teahouse, for questions. Severestorm28 (talk) 15:51, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Resubmitting my draft !

resubmitting a draft

Hello ! I have re-edited my first drat that was rejected here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Ana_Mar%C3%ADa_Gayoso (Ana Maria Gayoso) But i'm not sure its taken into account by Wikimedia ? Could someone help me check that it's still an open draft and could someone actually create the article page if it now meets the standard of wikipedia ? Thanks ! Hamudauw (talk) 07:51, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

hi Hamudauw! your draft is still open and can be submitted, you may have accidentally removed the header and comments. i have readded them. happy editing!  melecie  t - 08:14, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

fixing failed ping: Hamudauw  melecie  t - 08:15, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft:Ana María Gayoso was Declined, not Rejected (more severe), and then resubmitted. While waiting for the next reviewer, try to address the Comments. David notMD (talk) 11:25, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

MANY (1, 2, 6, 7, 8...) of the references are to journal articles for which she is not a co-author. Remove all those. Remove a lot of the science description. What needs to be referenced is what people published about her, not about her field of research. For academics, there is often a section titled "Selected works" to list journal articles or books authored or co-authored by the subject of the article. This is allowed content, but is not sufficient to confirm notability unless the person has been written about. David notMD (talk) 11:32, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

Accepted. There are still references to journal articles that are not authored by Gayoso, nor mention her. The article is about her, not plankton science. This should be remedied. David notMD (talk) 16:54, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

I need your help

Hi I'm new in Wikipedia, One person in our country who was the invited to the united nation's general assembly in 2013 his name Baqibillah Mishkat Chowdhury, I was created a article about his biography and submitted to draft space. after some time I was moved that ‍article in the main space. After that a person move the article from main space to draft space. Then I was deleted that Article from the draft space. After some time I wrote same Article in the draft space and submitted for approve. I attached all reference in article. But a few minutes ago was decline my article. I want to know my article is correctly submitted or if there is any mistake. I hoe you will help me. Thanks Sumon Mahmud786 (talk) 16:56, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Sumon Mahmud786: Welcome to the Teahouse. The recent reviewer appears to have concerns over a few things: the addition of a lot of citations (considered overciting; only 1–3 reliable sources are needed); ensuring that the sources are reliable, secondary, independent, and significantly talk about the subject; and the use of a presumably copyright-violating image, which could be replaced with a fair-use equivalent if the draft is accepted into mainspace. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 17:03, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Tenryuu 🐲 how to resubmit for review i' don't know please help me, — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sumon Mahmud786 (talk • contribs) 17:08, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Sumon Mahmud786:  Courtesy link: Draft:Baqibillah Mishkat Chowdhury There is a re-submit button at the bottom of the template where Timtrent declined your original submission. Note that, contrary to what Tenryuu implied, images of a living person that are under copyright are not allowed in articles about them, as the free-use rationale will not be met: it is assumed that someone could take and freely license a new image (see WP:NFC#UUI). For the present, focus on tidying up the article as suggested in the reviewers comments. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:21, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

How do I move a draft of a new Wiki page out of my Sandbox?

I have a draft of a new Wiki page - Brother Michael Titus Moylan, Superior General of the Christian Brothers - in my Sandbox. What do I have to do to be allowed to publish it? BuffyO'B (talk) 18:53, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@BuffyO'B: Welcome to the Teahouse! You have no independent reliable sources for Draft:Michael Titus Moylan (Find a Grave is user-generated, and is therefore considered generally unreliable.) I suggest you follow the guidance at Help:Your first article. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:59, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

How to mention myself (or someone else, for that matter)

I'm working on a userstyle for Wikipedia and need to generate a mention to test a edit I am doing to the notification area. Is there any way I can do that?\ Thanks, Maccore Henni user talk Please talk back using ```tb``` to increase your chances of being responded to. Thank you very, very much! 17:59, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Mac Henni Welcome. I have no idea what you are seeking to achieve by this request. But if this is an example of you trying to welcome new users, it fails utterly. I can't make head nor tails out of all the rambling garbage in your signature, and have no idea what you mean by saying ```tb``` I suspect that a new user would have even less of a clue. Please don't leave it like that and please don't leave similarly signed messages for anyone else. Thanks, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:15, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Presumably they mean {{tb}}. ♘ME_isSCAMMER 00:41, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Mac Henni Please see WP:SIGNATURE. I couldn't even tell it was a signature until the timestamp. - cheezejack | talk | contributions - 00:45, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

An edit to a page

The date of birth for rachid Khdar is wrong because the government had the wrong date abut now that it is corrected I want to change it but my request keeps getting deleted . I can provide other proof but if you go to his face book profile you can see his real birth date

https://www.facebook.com/souhail.khdar Ikosaheadrom (talk) 20:51, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Rachid Khdar

@Ikosaheadrom:WP:FACEBOOK says The official page of a subject may be used as a self-published, primary source, but only if it can be authenticated as belonging to the subject.

However, the Facebook link you provide is a personal profile, not a public page, so even if we could be sure it was authentic, I suspect that using this as a source for date of birth may be a breach of privacy. Please see WP:DOB for some considerations. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 22:09, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ikosaheadrom: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest discussing this on the article's talk page, Talk:Rachid Khdar. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:37, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Making Pages

YearAccount 213234 (talk) 01:12, 28 November 2021 (UTC) Hey There YearAccount 213234 (talk) 01:12, 28 November 2021 (UTC) Can I Be An Admin

hi YearAccount 213234! not now, it's still way too early for you to be an admin. admins usually need years (yes, years) of experience before getting a realistic chance to be an admin. and even then, admins don't have any advantages over non-admins, they just are regular people holding a mop. happy editing!  melecie  t - 01:41, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)@YearAccount 213234: Welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. Creating a new article is one of the hardest things to do on Wikipedia, especially if you've never edited Wikipedia before. To learn how to edit, you could view Help:Introduction and The Wikipedia Adventure. I suggest then spending a significant amount of time editing existing articles to hone your skills. Once you're ready to create an article, you would gather independent reliable sources that have provided significant coverage of the subject, and determine whether it meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion, called "notability". If so, you could follow the instructions at Help:Your first article, and be prepared for a process that may include months of waiting, rejections, and rewrites, before an article is created. After lots of experience editing Wikipedia, maybe one day you can be an administrator. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:43, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Menjarna Shenkora to Minjarna Shenkora

Moved from Wikipedia talk:Teahouse § Menjarna Shenkora to Minjarna Shenkora

 – —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 01:43, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, this article has the wrong spelling. It's Minjarna Shenkora not Menjarna Shenkora, a google (book) search will confirm it. It's named after an old district of Minjar(still the most used, nice and short). Finally in the web archived census source. On page 8 it's Minjar Shenkora and on page 14 it's Minjarna Shenkora. Can someone change it? Or how do i do it myself? Thanks

References

Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 01:31, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Dawit S Gondaria: Welcome to the Teahouse! I suggest discussing the change on the article talk page Talk:Menjarna Shenkora before moving it. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 02:11, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty: Oke, sent the creator of article a message, thnx, you too. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 02:26, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Rise of the Moors

How do I change the title from Rise of the Moors to Rise of the Moors Militia? June Waugh El (talk) 04:44, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@June Waugh El: Welcome to the Teahouse! Are you referring to User:June Waugh El/sandbox/Rise of the Moors? If so, look at the yellow box at the top of the draft and find where it says "Warning: This page should probably be located at Draft:Rise of the Moors (move)" and click on the "move" link. Then change the name of the draft to "Rise of the Moors Militia" before clicking "Move page". If this is what you want but you are unable to do so, please reply here and one of us will help you with the move. I hope you have several independent sources to add to your draft before submitting it for approval. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:53, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

New math!

Calculator Math made new math, award certificate, and world recorded!!!  Smalemon (talk) 05:17, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Smalemon: Welcome to the Teahouse. Did you have a question about using or editing Wikipedia? —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 05:36, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Changed image too similar to previous image and rejected?

Hi all! What do I do if an image I edited to replace a previous one is too similar and is rejected by Wiki as a duplicate?

I'm working on the article of the Battle of Gosselies, and I created some battle maps using Google Earth and historical maps. However I'm still improving and refining my research, and I got one location slightly off and edited my image to reflect the correct location. Essentially all I did was move one white dot on the map. This was not detected by Wiki and it flagged it as a duplicate, which it isn't. So I can't update the map, and I can't delete the original file I uploaded either. As a battle map and as a location that was part of the combat, that location matters. How do I replace that image and get the updated image accepted? Talamioros (talk) 15:39, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@Talamioros: If you navigate to the filepage on Commons, for example here, there is a file history section below the current version where it says "Upload a new version of this file". As far as I'm aware, the new upload is not compared with the old version and just replaces it. I assume you got into trouble because you tried to upload the edited version under a new name. Mike Turnbull (talk) 18:00, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull: I'm not sure if I've got your name right, this reply mechanism is a bit arcane...but I have tried doing what you suggested, and the update was still rejected because moving one dot was too small a change and Wiki still considered it a duplicate. I've sidestepped the issue however, by cropping the images to a slightly different proportion, and I had those uploaded as new uploads without issue. Talamioros (talk) 06:49, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Talamioros: You said that you made the maps "using Google Earth". Does that mean that the aerial photography used as the background for the maps came from Google Earth? If it does, that might be a problem, since images from Google Earth generally aren't sufficiently free to be used on Wikimedia Commons. In any case, you should should mention the source of the background imagery in the file description. If you visit the pictures' pages on Commons you can edit the description to add a note to the "source" field. (Visiting from Commons: Teahouse hosts should tell me if I'm out of line) --bjh21 (talk) 18:27, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Bjh21: Yes, that's right, unfortunately. What I have done is used a blank Earth shot with no annotations, and then annotated it with my own historical map information, allowing readers to see how the spaces relate to modern locations. In the absence of time to rectify the picture, and in the belief that the maps are crucial to explain the description of the battle, I'll be leaving the current images there for the time being while I plan to rectify it. I have, as suggested, updated the source as a stopgap measure. Thanks to the page you shared about the media resources, I'll do up a replica of the maps on Maps For Free once I have the time, which will be sooner rather than later, and replace the current Google Earth-based ones. Of course, if it's a real immediate problem, you or other editors can take any necessary action. Either way, now that I know where else I can get a blank map, I'll have replacements up shortly. Talamioros (talk) 05:58, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Filmography Listing Noontime and Variety Show Appearances

I would like to edit an article of a singer/actress. Her filmography section currently lists dozens of appearances on variety/noontime/game shows in the Television section. Is it proper to include these appearances or should they be deleted? I should note that her career right now is basically as a film actress and singer. So I just find it somewhat weird to include all these random appearances in her filmography. Her participation in these shows is a guest or performer, not as a host. What's the policy on this? Koikefan (talk) 07:05, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Noteability

Hello, I am having trouble publishing an article about an actor I like. He is in two series on Netflix, and a few different sites containing biographical information. However the approval person says this actor is not noteworthy. I don't see how this is possible Is being in two different Netflix series sufficient for being noteworthy? Sirspensir (talk) 04:21, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Sirspensir: Welcome to the Teahouse. See WP:NACTOR – for one thing, it isn't just about what series he's appeared in, but also the notability of those series and the significance of his roles. ClaudineChionh (talk – contribs) 04:36, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Sirspensir: It's also required to provide multiple independent sources that provide significant coverage of the actor, and the Netflix links are not independent. Also, please do not remove the AFC templates from Draft:Eldar Kalimulin, as they provide you important information to improve your draft, as well as giving you a method to resubmit the draft when you've improved it. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:47, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Sirspensir (talk) the reviewer did not say that the actor wasn't notable, but that Draft:Eldar Kalimulin did not show him to be notable. Your draft consists of only one sentence, and two of your online references were Netflix cites which just showed that the series existed, and didn't even list Kalimulin's name. Did he have recurring roles in those series, or just have a small role in a couple of episodes? The other reference was in a foreign language, showed a photo of the actor, and a few bits of information I couldn't read. Are there newspaper or magazine articles about Kalimulin? Not articles just mentioning he was in a series, but ones giving details about his acting career, awards he's been nominated for, or other accomplishments that would make someone believe the person was notable. Reading Help:Your first article may help you improve your draft. Best wishes on your article project. Karenthewriter (talk) 05:09, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@ClaudineChionh The reason I wanted to make this article is that the other actors in this series have Wikipedia articles, and only this actor's name is in red signifying he doesn't have a page. The show is in the 'Popular on Netflix' section, so I think it seems to be quite relevant. Moreover, I feel being on Netflix is no small feat.

@GoingBatty Thank you for that info. I was unaware Netflix is not considered an independent source. I will brush up on that. I am not sure what you mean by removing the AFC templates... I shall also look into that.

@Karenthewriter Thank you for differentiating that - being noteworthy and being shown to be noteworthy, those are two quite different things. Also, Eldar Kalimulin is listed on the page to which I provided the link. His name is listed 6th for actors and I believe he is in every episode of both shows. I used those as references because I saw that the page of one of the lead actors used them as references, so I thought they would work for the other actor which I am writing the page for (though of course there were additional sources for the main actor). Thank you all for your advice! I am really enjoying this learning experience and grateful for the friendly community — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirspensir (talk • contribs) 07:14, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Sirspensir perhaps if a person has a Netflix account Kalimulin's name can be seen on the links, but I could only see an advertisement that shows names of 3 actors. I looked again after you stated he was listed on the page, and I tried to click on different "tabs" but just got a notice that I needed to register with Netflix. I wasn't able to see that Kalimulin was connected to the series. Karenthewriter (talk) 01:07, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Sirspensir: Those big pink boxes at the top of Draft:Eldar Kalimulin are the Articles for Creation (AfC) templates. When you click the "Edit source" tab on your draft, you'll see templates such as {{AFC submission}} and {{AFC comment}} with a comment stating "Do not remove this line!" Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 17:32, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Sirspensir. Netflix is not considered an independent source doesn't really make sense without context. Netflix is not an independent source for information about any Netflix show, or the people involved in one. It could in principle be an independent source about something else (though I don't know in what circumstances Netflix might publish information about something else). --ColinFine (talk) 17:46, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@ColinFine: Thank you for the clarification. Yes, I assumed that Netflix would not be a credible source if I were writing about Netflix, but I thought it would be credible for citing the actor's achievements. @Karenthewriter:No need to sign in as I was not signed in either. There are the three main actors listed at the top of the site, but if you scroll down until after the episode list, there is a more extensive list with Mr Kalimulin's name. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sirspensir (talk • contribs) 07:44, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Sirspensir, notability requires significant coverage in independent reliable sources. Netflix is certainly not an independent source about an actor working on one of their shows, since they have a financial stake in the success of that show and an actor appearing in it. Nothing published by Netflix can ever be used to establish the notability of any actor it employs. Cullen328 (talk) 07:55, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Nirmal Baby Varghese

I have a doubt. The article Nirmal Baby Varghese I created was previously reviewed by an admin. It also showed up on Google search. But now why does that page not show up in Google search. BC171189 (talk) 08:58, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

There are 14653 articles awaiting new page patrol at Special:NewPagesFeed. New articles are NOINDEXed until either reviewed at NPP or 90 days old. I don't know which admin you think reviewed the page; the logs show that it was reviewed by TheChronium, now blocked as a sockpuppet so the page was marked as unreviewed. --David Biddulph (talk) 09:52, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello::@David Biddulph:, Thank you for clearing my doubts with your clear reply. BC171189 (talk) 10:10, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

External tools

There are external tools when I view page history of an article, like; Find addition/removal, Find edits by user (Alternate), Page statistics, Pageviews, Fix dead links. Is it safe to use? —It'sCtrlwiki • talk • 08:38, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Ctrlwiki Yes, absolutely! - those links are provide for you to use, and can be very helpful I do think tools like 'WikiBlame' are incredibly useful to find a point when certain line of text was first inserted into an article - but they are probably a bit overlooked. Any tool that actually fixes things (makes changes), rather than simply displaying information has to be used with the same responsibility as any other editing tool here. But you are welcome to explore and find what is useful for you. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:49, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you!—It'sCtrlwiki • talk •

Can a more experienced editor review the page "Druthers"? I think it should be a candidate for deletion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druthers

Numerous problems, but all citations go to druther's own website and advert like tone. Cripplemac (talk) 10:47, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

I recommend Speedy deletion. David notMD (talk) 10:56, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Cripplemac Welcome to the Teahouse. Yuk! what a promotional mess. I've moved it to Draft:Druthers lest there are three or four sources that someone might unearth that could demonstrate it's notable, though I doubt it. When considering an article for deletion, it's not just about what's already in the page that counts. See WP:BEFORE] to understand the steps editors are expected to go through prior to putting an article up for deletion. Thanks for drawing it to our attention. Nick Moyes (talk) 11:04, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Apropos of Canada-related junk articles, I came across Keltic Lodge today, a mere decade after it had been concocted. -- Hoary (talk) 12:10, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello from Carlos

 Carlos henrique vaz da costa oliveira (talk) 15:12, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Carlos henrique vaz da costa oliveira: Hi! Do you have any question about editing Wikipedia? --CiaPan (talk) 15:34, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Possible citogenesis at Lipstick lesbian

Back in February of this year there was a discussion here on a suspected case of citogenesis, that was 14 years old. There is a similar discussion currently ongoing at Talk:Lipstick lesbian. I've made a notification at Wikipedia talk:List of citogenesis incidents and I was wondering if there were any other appropriate venues to make a notification about this? Sideswipe9th (talk) 15:38, 28 November 2021 (UTC)
 Courtesy link: Citogenesis Casual readers of Wikipedia may be puzzled by the term Citogenesis, which refers to a story created from a mistaken Wikipedia article, which generates a lot of articles in the conventional press derived from the Wikipedia article, the WP article then citing those same press articles as its sources. See Randal's XKCD cartoon for explanation, [7] Elemimele (talk) 16:29, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Does WP:NPOL covers Mayors of the cities?

I think they don't but still wanted to confirm what others think. Somewhere I also remember a discussion that said mayors of major cities are considered notable but not for smaller cities. Nomadicghumakkad (talk) 14:38, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Nomadicghumakkad. The applicable language from WP:NPOL is Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage. This type of coverage is more likely for big city mayors than small town mayors, but in the end, it is the quality of the coverage in reliable sources that matters more than the size of the city. Cullen328 (talk) 17:20, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Romulus and Remus (Rubens)

Hello! Please, expand this articles.--Станислав Савченко (talk) 18:01, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

Article about a Rubens painting created in 2009; never referenced. David notMD (talk) 18:41, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Станислав Савченко: You may want to ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Visual arts. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:56, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

You’re so helpful!--Станислав Савченко (talk) 18:07, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

User level

Hi, I wanted to know how I can add a user level. I mean there will be a bar on my user page, and it will fill up as I edit articles. And beside it would be written, my next user level. Any idea on how to do that? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 09:32, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Here's a workaround, Itcouldbepossible. Just edit articles, constructively. Soon you will be "extended confirmed". Most people are, and few people will be surprised or much interested to know that you are. There are some other very minor superpowers that you can acquire; but again, few people will be interested. Some superpowers are a bit out of the ordinary, and you might want to advertise one or other of these; on the other hand, advertising them may seem somewhat vulgar. Best is to aim to be an article-improving Clark Kent. -- Hoary (talk) 11:58, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible Welcome to Tea House! As @Itcouldbepossible stated, it's rarely of interest to anyone else. This essay on WP:HATCOLLECTING could be useful on the mostly harms/some benefits of gamifying your user page with statistics. I do indulge myself with Wikipedia:Service awards as a way of marking specific tiers of editing. Happy editing! ~ 🦝 Shushugah (he/him • talk) 12:57, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

@Hoary@Shushugah Actually I was talking about service award progress templates. I have finally found out. But still can anyone here give me some more service award progress template link? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 09:14, 26 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: Hi there! You may be interested in Wikipedia:Service awards. Happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 01:34, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@GoingBatty Thanks for the page. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 02:47, 27 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: i got one at the bottom of my user page (well technically the mRNA table is the one at the bottom of my user page) Is that what you looking for? also to ping users use this syntax

{{u|Username}} or {{ping|Username}}--LostCitrationHunter (talk) 15:21, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@LostCitrationHunter What are you talking about?? Why are you giving me a table. I was looking for service award progress templates? And I also know how to ping users. It is a automatic way. I use beta features. Thanks for the suggestion. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 15:31, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible: the @ping feature doesnt work for me along with some more features, so i assumed it didn't work for anyone else. but i assume you got your service award — Preceding unsigned comment added by LostCitrationHunter (talk • contribs) 18:11, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

the end the fight

how to contribute to the fight.. 69.7.254.75 (talk) 18:17, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse! Which fight are you referring to? If you're referring to the fight against vandalism, see Wikipedia:Vandalism. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 18:32, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

I need help on changing pages

FYI

 – Added header. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 19:29, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

I keep getting blocked for vandalising pages but I just don’t know how to edit! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.12.228.137 (talk) 19:17, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

I need some help on editing. I can’t edit I just vandalise and I am not an experienced editor! 86.12.228.137 (talk) 19:19, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

86.12.228.137 (talk) have you read Wikipedia:Wikipedia Adventure and Help:Introduction? If so, which parts of them are you having the most difficulties understanding? Asking specific questions, instead of stating you need help editing, will allow volunteers to know what assistance you need. Karenthewriter (talk) 19:41, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Can someone create a wikipedia page for me if I provide all the necessary information?

Hello, my name is Chloe Bailey & I've been asked to create a Wikipedia page for a good friend of mine who plays basketball overseas. Unfortunately, I do not know what I'm doing and my sandbox and edits keep getting flagged. I can provide all the information and images & references

A page was once created for the basketball player by a wiki admin. Everything was accurate except the admin listed him as deceased in which he contacted wiki and explained to them he was not dead and he wanted that information removed. Instead of just removing that bit of information, they removed the entire page. What do I need to do to have the page reinstated or does it need to go to another editor?

I copied and pasted the information he sent to me. He's very relevant and notable. He played for the Minnesota Timberwolves until suffering a career-ending injury.

Jermaine Barnes

Jermaine Barnes https://ubanow.com https://wubanow.com https://www.theunitedcup.com/ Jermaine Barnes (born October 7, 1982) is an American former professional basketball player who also served as General Manager and Head Coach for the Rheinland Lions (Germany). Barnes played college basketball with the Abraham Baldwin Stallions for two years, before transferring to Point University for his senior season. He then started his professional career in Japan signing with the Saitama Broncos of the BJ League, a minor league basketball organization owned and run by the JBL. Barnes played for the USA National Team in 2012 (FIBA Jones Cup). He would sign a non-guaranteed contract with the Minnesota Timberwolves. He has also played professionally in Saudi Arabia, Mexico, Taiwan, Dominican Republic, Costa Rico, Uruguay, Spain, Lebanon, and Germany. At 6'4, Barnes can play any position around the perimeter and has a respectable post-game. His recorded accolades include multiple MVP awards, championships, first-team mentions, and an incredible 63-point performance while hooping professionally in Japan in 2008 (All-Japan Tournament). Barnes is a well-known force in the basketball world. Early life Jermaine Barnes was born in Atlanta, Georgia at Crawford Long Hospital. He grew up in Morrow, GA. Barnes attended and played basketball with Morrow High School. He started varsity as a freshman and sophomore was named All-Region. Barnes was offered several scholarships from Auburn, Tennessee, Georgia State, and Morris Brown University. He would lose all offers after losing academic eligibility as a junior. In his senior season, he led Morrow to the GHSA Regional and State playoffs while averaging 18 points and 11 rebounds per game. He graduated as the school's 3rd all-time leading scorer and rebounder. Morrow High School retired his number 15 after he graduated. Barnes opted to attend Abraham Baldwin, a community college near the city of Tifton. He starred and averaged 15.3 points and 8.7 rebounds after two full seasons. Barnes helped the Stallions to the best record in school history and a national ranking of 18th. However, after two years, he returned home to Atlanta and transferred to Point University. He reportedly did not qualify for NCAA Division I offers after not graduating from ABAC. He started his college career with Georgia Southwestern University in 2004, after sitting out the 2004–05 season while establishing academic eligibility. Barnes would not return to GSW after a season-ending injury to his ankle. While recovering from the ankle injury, combined with his conflict with coach Leeder, Barnes transferred schools to Point University who now plays in the National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics (NAIA). By transferring from an NCAA school to an NAIA school, Barnes did not have to sit out another season. He also switched his major from psychology/sociology to a business major. He concluded his college career thereby averaging 26.0 points, 11.2 rebounds, and 3.3 assists per game as a senior. He led the Point University Skyhawks to the ACC Championship and was named the SSAC Player of the Year. He then played in the 2006 National Basketball Tournament, leading the Skyhawks to the Sweet Sixteen, where they were defeated by the Southeastern. Despite failing to win the championship, Barnes was named as National Player of the Year by Usbasket.com and as co-Player of the Year the NCCAA. He would also be named USB First Team All-American. Professional Career Proline Tokyo Kings (2006–07) Barnes was automatically eligible for the 2006 NBA Draft after finishing his four-year college eligibility. However, he went undrafted. He then attended the NBA summer pro league, formerly known as the Southern California Summer Pro League, held in Long Beach, California. After receiving any interest Barnes signed a contract to play in the Japan Basketball Association (JBA) and join the lower-ranked Proline Tokyo Kings. On March 11, 2008, after playing 24 games while averaging 39.5 points and 10.9 rebounds with the Kings, Barnes was selected to play in the All-Japan Emperor's Cup. In 8 games Barnes would shock the country averaging an event best 48.9 points per game and setting the single-game scoring record with 63 points. Titanes de Miramar During the offseason, he was selected to play with Titanes de Miramar in the San Pedro League (Dominican Republic). He played in 10 games, averaging 26.1 points and 11.0 rebounds in 33.0 minutes per game. After being released, he opted to return to Asia with the Saitama Broncos in Japan. He left Tokyo in December 2008 and returned to the Proline Kings. Proline Tokyo Kings (2008) Barnes returned to his first club and led them to a Richie Cup Championship and the Finals in the All-Japan Emperor’s Cup. He would be named MVP after leading all scores for the second season. Club Atletico Universitario Salto (2009) On Jan 3, 2009, Barnes was signed to a contract by the Club Atletico Universitario (Uruguay). Barnes helped the club to its first playoff appearance averaging a league-best 29.0 points per game. Al Ahli Jeddah (2009–10) Jermaine Barnes signed to play in Saudi Arabia for Al Ahli Jeddah. GIE Maile Matrix (2010-2017) Barnes would join the Universal Basketball Association (UBA). After playing in 37 games and averaging 30.1 points on 51.0 percent shooting, 9.0 rebounds, and 3.1 assists per game, Barnes was featured in SLAM Magazine. He was spotted by the company after scoring a league-record 60 points. He would go on to win five UBA championships and four MVP awards. Frayles de Guasave (2011) Jermaine Barnes signed to play in Mexico for Frayles de Guasave. Titanes de Miramar (2011–12) In September 2012, Barnes would rejoin the Titanes. He would again lead the league in scoring with 26.8 points per game. USA National Team (2012) The summer of 2012 Barnes was selected to play on the USA National Team. The club would travel to Taipei, Taiwan to participate in the 34th Annual FIBA Williams Jones Cup. Barnes would help the Americans to a silver medal while also being named to the AsiaBasket.com All-FIBA Jones Cup 2nd Team. He would be remembered for his stand-out games versus Chinese Taipei and the gold medal game versus the Philippines. These two games would ultimately lead to him being requested to an NBA training camp with the Timberwolves. Yenicami Ağdelen Kulübü (2013-2014) On December 4, 2013, he signed with the Yenicami in Cyprus. In 20 games Barnes led the club to its first playoff appearance ever. He finished the season ranked in the top three in points (19.0), rebounds (9.1), and assists (7.0). Barnes was later named Eurobasket.com Forward of the Year. He was also selected to the All-Star Team. Barnes did not play in the 2014–15 basketball season reportedly because of a knee injury he suffered. Minnesota Timberwolves (2014) On August 18, 2014, Barnes signed a non-Guaranteed contract with the Minnesota Timberwolves. He attended mini-camp and was released. Barnes did not play in the 2014–15 basketball season reportedly because of a knee injury he suffered. He was reportedly sidelined with a career-ending leg injury that required three procedures in 2015. Pueblo Nuevo (2015) On February 4, 2015, he signed with Pueblo Nuevo for the 2015 Santiago League in the Dominican Republic. Barnes did not play in the 2014–15 basketball season reportedly due to a knee injury he suffered. GIE Maile Matrix (2017) In September 2017, Barnes would return to basketball to test his repaired leg. He would again lead the league in scoring with 29.0 points per game. Liberia (Costa Rica (2017-2018) On January 4, 2018, he signed with Liberia in Costa Rica. He would lead the club in scoring with 26.0 points per game average. Chabibeh Sporting Club (2018) On June 15, 2018, he signed with the Chabibeh Sporting Club for the 2018 Liga Mediterranean Cup. Barnes would help Lebanon to a gold medal in Barcelona, Spain. He would be named EuroBasket.com All-Liga Mediterranean Cup Player of the Year. Tonga National Team (2019) On February 4, 2019, he signed with the Tonga National Team for the 2017 United Cup (formerly known as the Copa Mitchell Cup). Barnes would help Tonga to a gold medal in Santiago. He would be named LatinBasket.com All-United Cup Guard of the Year. TLG Bulldogs (2020) Jermaine Barnes signed to play in Germany for TLG Bulldogs. The season was canceled due to COVID-19. References NCAA D1 stats: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/28927/jermaine-barnes NCAA Player of the Year: https://www.usbasket.com/NCAA3/basketball_2006.aspx Slam online: https://www.slamonline.com/archives/more-than-just-a-league/ Slam Magazine: https://www.slamonline.com/archives/the-journey-of-jermaine-barnes/ Dominican Rep: https://www.latestbasketballnews.com/jermaine-barnes-deals-pueblo-nuevo/ NBA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFTq2jPSNqk NBA rosters: https://basketball.usbasket.com/team/NBA/Minnesota-Timberwolves/249?Page=4 UBA: https://www.ubanow.com/award-winners

. Cbailey10 (talk) 20:28, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse, the information you have can not be original research your information must come from reliable sources. Kaleeb18 (talk) 20:40, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

I strongly suggest you read Wikipedia:Your First Article Kaleeb18 (talk) 20:56, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello @Cbailey10:. Not every sportsperson warrants having their own Wikipedia article. The first thing to do is determine whether your friend satisfies that standard, which Wikipedia calls "notability". Take a good look at the criteria listed at ​Wikipedia:Notability (sports) and particularly WP:NBASKETBALL to see if they qualify. If not, then it may just be too soon in their career to have an article. But if they do meet the standard then gather up all the reliable sources and the best place to find a volunteer to write the article is probably the Wikiproject related to basketball, namely Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Basketball. --Gronk Oz (talk) 21:04, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

• Kaleeb18, from their tone albeit I haven’t seen the article in question, i do not believe this to be them having a problem with original research but a potential COI. @Cbailey10 first off, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, you are strongly advised not to create articles for people you are familiar with in any capacity. See WP:COI & WP:NOT. Furthermore as for referencing properly you might want to see WP:REFB and then WP:CITE. Please see WP:YFA also. If there is a potential COI or you haven’t learnt how this collaborative project works, you can please go here and include the name of the article you want to see created. Celestina007 (talk) 21:02, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

• At the top: A page was once created for the basketball player by a wiki admin. Everything was accurate except the admin listed him as deceased in which he contacted wiki and explained to them he was not dead and he wanted that information removed. Instead of just removing that bit of information, they removed the entire page. I see no evidence of this. There has never been an article titled "Jermaine Barnes". Draft:Jermaine barnes (small "B") was declined (not rejected, let alone deleted) on 15 April '21. Cbailey10, you have been working on Draft:Jermaine Barnes (big "B") from 3 November '21. You're free to continue to do so. Incidentally, though you say my sandbox and edits keep getting flagged, you have never edited your sandbox. (Have you perhaps also edited under a different user name?) If you mean that the draft you're working on keeps getting flagged, well, yes. For one thing, as Barnes is a living person, assertions must be linked to references; it's not enough for a screenful of text to be followed by a list of sources; we need to know which part comes from where. -- Hoary (talk) 22:55, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

After submission, my draft has two conflicting Afc templates

When I first created my draft article Draft:Lucia Nifontova, it had an AfC submission template. After a lengthy editing period, I pressed the submission button and it seems to have added another AfC submission template without removing the first one (diff). Was it supposed to? My draft doesn't have the banner I typically see on other draft articles. Lee Choquette (talk) 20:12, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Lee Choquette I have cleaned it up. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:52, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Dodger67 Thanks! Lee Choquette (talk) 23:16, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

new article immediately public withut review?

Hi, I guess a quick question with quick answer here: I just worked on my second article for the english wiki and I am a bit confused as to why the process seems different. Last time I wrote something like a draft and then - when I felt it was ready - I actively had to submit it to be reviewed by someone before it got published. I assumed that this would be the standard work process. However, now in my second article I don´t find this button to send it to review. Is it already public now? I actually would have liked to keep it in draft mode for today and look over it again tomorrow before submitting.

I probably did something different this time, but I am not sure what it was. Would love to have the draft option next time again if possible, as people last time suggested I should not use my sandbox to draft an article :-)

Here is the article: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gyrinus_gibbus

Thanks! Anja Ajottel (talk) 22:41, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Ajottel, I've had a look at Gyrinus gibbus, and it seems fine to me, it deserves its status as an article. You created it directly in article space without going through the review procedure. So it's public, but you can still improve if if you wish.

Well-written articles about animal and plant species are rarely a problem. Articles about "upcoming" bands generally are a problem - I recommend keeping away from those. Maproom (talk) 23:02, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Maproom Thanks for having a look. Where can I make a draft next time? I forgot how I found it last time... I think I just followed a link someone gave me. I have to admit the user surface of wikipedia is very difficult to crasp and I never find anything :-/ Is there a search function for these kind of questions? The regular search of course does not really lead to the results I need but to any article related to drafts...

Here is a tip for you, Ajottel. Type WP and then a colon and then a plausible keyword into the search box. In this case, WP:DRAFT leads to a page with all the information you need to work with drafts. Cullen328 (talk) 23:17, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Move article from Sandbox

I am a new editor. I have had 10 edits+ and some contributions. I'd like to contribute more to the community but am failing to publish my first article. I read that an established publisher can be able to move my article from my sandbox if unable to do it myself. Please assist. Thanks Dalubuhle. DalubuhleLunga (talk) 18:33, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, DalubuhleLunga. I assume that you are talking about User:DalubuhleLunga/sandbox, which is an unreferenced draft biography of a living person. By policy, all biographies of living people must be properly referenced. Also, you have external links in the body of the draft, which is not correct. Please read Your first article and follow the instructions there. Cullen328 (talk) 18:45, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Cullen328 Hie. Thanks alot, let me go through it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by DalubuhleLunga (talk • contribs) 18:47, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

To you and other new accounts - the Publish changes rectangle at the bottom is really a 'Save' button. It does not submit a draft for review, nor publish it. David notMD (talk) 01:05, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

National Centre for Australian Children's Literature major update to the Wikiprdia entry

Hello, I have been tasked with updating the entry for the National Centre for Australian Children's Literature. The entry is very out-of-date as there have been significant changes to the Centre since it was done and the amount of editing would be huge. After some discussion we are considering whether it would be better to create a completely new entry for the Centre. However we do not know if this is possible - can you please advise? Thank you Ruth Nitschke National Centre for Australian Children's Literature Ruth Nitschke (talk) 23:29, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

It would be best to update the article. Be sure to consider and declare your WP:COI and WP:PAID issues before contributing. Regards, Ariconte (talk) 23:43, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Ruth Nitschke. I recommend that you use the Edit request process at Talk: National Centre for Australian Children's Literature. Creating a completely new article is rarely acceptable and can be perceived as showing disrespect to the 22 editors who have worked on this article over the past ten years. I recommend that you request a series of small, incremental edit requests in the form of "please change X to Y", accompanying each request with a link to a reliable source verifying the new content. Lengthy, complex requests are far less likely to be successful. Cullen328 (talk) 01:41, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Editing declined draft article

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:W._Franklyn_Richardson

How do I edit a declined draft article in the VisualEditor? What are tildes? VelorrWrite (talk) 22:25, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

VelorrWrite, it seems to me that you must have used tildes to sign your question. Anyway, it's a curvy mark that you sometimes find (among other place) over the letter "n" in written Spanish. And at least on the English keyboard, it's the key at the top left, just to the left of the number 1; you have to shift. Uporządnicki (talk) 23:08, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@VelorrWrite: You edit a declined draft in the VisualEditor the same you edit an article: by clicking the "Edit" tab. A tilde looks like this: ~ Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 03:58, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Citation

I made a mistake while editing Patrick Surtain the second's page with the citation, will someone plase help me? InternetScavenger89 (talk) 03:36, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Presumably Patrick Surtain II. -- Hoary (talk) 03:57, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Viewed as a set, InternetScavenger89, this set of edits of yours seems OK. Perhaps you made a mistake and later fixed it yourself. -- Hoary (talk) 04:00, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Question re:Wikipedia:Protection policy#extended

How do I add an essential resource textbook to a page that has the 'extended Protection Policy'? Specifically referring to these pages: Jordanian annexation of the West Bank [[Israeli War#Further reading]] Beni92 (talk) 08:43, 29 November 2021 (UTC) Beni92 (talk) 08:43, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Beni92 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Please offer your proposed edits on the article talk pages (Talk:Jordanian annexation of the West Bank) as edit requests(click for instructions). Also please be aware that editing about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict carries with it some special rules, I will post information about this on your user talk page. 331dot (talk) 08:47, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Make an extended confirmed edit request at the talk page with this template:

{{edit extended-protected}}

Followed by the reason. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 08:51, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Userboxes

How do i use userboxes? I am struggling positioning them...is there a way to do that? TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 00:00, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

You can use a table to force them to sit where you want them to; what way is it you'd like them to display? ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 00:07, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I want to display then on the right and make them go down. TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 00:12, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Okay, try using the following code and just add each box in a new line as shown:

{| align="right" 
|-
|{{first userbox}}
|-
|{{second userbox}}
|-
|{{third userbox}}
|}

That should create an invisible table forcing its contents into right alignment, the boxes will then stack under each other to the right. ᵹʀᴀᴘᴘʟᴇ ꭗ 01:37, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@TheAlienMan2002: You could also use {{Userboxtop}} and {{Userboxbottom}} if you like. Hope this helps, and happy editing! GoingBatty (talk) 04:05, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

thank you!! TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 10:36, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

BCCI Cricket logo

Board of Control for Cricket in India (BCCI) article have a logo under fair use policy, can I use this logo in India national cricket team article, the team also use same logo on helmet and on jercy. If their is no objection to use this logo on article, then why some editors removed this logo from Indian cricket team's article after I included it there ?. Newton Euro (talk) 10:48, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I see that you have had an explanation at User talk:Newton Euro#BCCI logo. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:26, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Draft Jitsu Squad

My draft was rejected. What more do I need to do for it not to need rejected? The message for it being rejected was convoluted and it's not telling me straightforward what's needed. Please assist. Sonicteam2k7 (talk) 11:14, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Sonicteam2k7, your draft Draft:Jitsu Squad (Video Game) was not rejected; it was declined. The game hasn't yet even appeared. Wait for it to appear and to be commented on in reliable sources. Then use those reliable sources to resume your work on the draft. -- Hoary (talk) 11:26, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Hoary, Thanks for the follow up. I'm not sure how this works as there have been entries for even canceled games. This game's demo is playable, there's footage all over twitch and YouTube, there's a steam entry with a downloadable demo. Can a game be entered before release? Also what would be considered a notable source, I posted the developers website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonicteam2k7 (talk • contribs) 12:11, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Sonicteam2k7. The issue is almost entirely to do with Notability, which mostly means, "Has enough been published about it, in reliable places, by people unconnected with the game and its development, to ground an article?" - remembering that Wikipedia is not interested in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. In rare cases a game (or a film or TV series) is discussed enough in print before its release that an article is possible; but not usually: see WP:TOOSOON --ColinFine (talk) 13:17, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the information everyone. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sonicteam2k7 (talk • contribs) 14:55, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

How to use Templates

Hello! I was wonering how templates work, as I would like to make basic articles stand out a litle bit. Would you please explain?

Thank you all! NLKD 204.116.209.8 (talk) 15:01, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello IP and welcome to the Teahouse! It would depend on what template you're wanting to use as different templates work (and are used) differently. SOme templates you simply just place on the page and it works, others you have to add specific parameters (the stuff you add after a pipe (|), i.e |date=2021). I'm going to take a guess that you're wanting to use an infobox template, and if so then MOS:IBX might be a good read. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:08, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

See also Help:A quick guide to templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:07, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

What does the "im" mean in "uw-(whatever)4im"?

I can't seem to get the answer anywhere. – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 08:45, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

AssumeGoodWraith This page is for questions about editing or using Wikipedia. What is the context? Is this something you've seen in a Wikipedia article? Which one?--Shantavira|^{feed me} 09:09, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Shantavira: It's just a random thought. Is the teahouse the wrong place for this? – AssumeGoodWraith (talk | contribs) 09:10, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) The context is what the im means in user warning templates like Template:Uw-vandalism4im and Template:Uw-delete4im (and how is it different to Template:Uw-vandalism4)? I don't know the answer, but hopefully someone else does. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:13, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I've always read it as "Immediate". These templates are for the use case of going for a final warning immediately instead of escalating lesser warnings. —Kusma (talk) 09:24, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Kusma He's talking about user warning templates. Firestar464 (talk) 09:28, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

So am I. —Kusma (talk) 09:33, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@AssumeGoodWraith The “im” means “immediate”. There are occasions (IP hopping/socks/egregious activity) where it is felt unnecessary to give a stepped series of increasingly stern warnings, but to give a forceful one immediately to the offender. See this deletion discussion from 2012. As a Twinkle user, I can’t say that I pay huge attention to the actual template names being deployed, but assume it is delivering the most appropriate one for any given situation. I find ‘Preview’ quite valuable to check. I hope that helps? Nick Moyes (talk) 09:38, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

"immediate" was the common guess at Wikipedia talk:Template index/User talk namespace/Archive 16#Question about titles but nobody was sure. 4im has been copied since Template:Test4im, created in 2005 by Jtdirl who apparently never explained it. If it didn't have such a plausible meaning then maybe people wouldn't have kept using it so "immediate" may be the de facto meaning no matter what Jtdirl originally thought. PrimeHunter (talk) 16:39, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Articles

How do you make articles? 216.107.236.82 (talk) 14:19, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Articles are allowed only on subjects which meet Wikipedia's definition of notability. For further information, if you are satisfied that your intended subject satisfies that definition, see the advice at WP:Your first article. --David Biddulph (talk) 14:23, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thank you. 216.107.236.82 (talk) 14:27, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Strongly recommend creating a Wikipedia account before attempting to draft/create an article. Having an account makes communication amoung editors much easier. David notMD (talk) 17:45, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Resubmitting the Draft:Karlheinz Krauth

Hi dear all, unfortunatly the submission for my draft about Prof.Karlheinz Krauth, a full Prof. of Uni Stuttgart (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Karlheinz_Krauth) has been declined on 7 November 2021. Meanwhile I came up with some additional references and I checked if my subject does follow the given criteria of WP:NACADEMIC.

My conclusion is that, as far as I am aware, Prof. Krauth's curriculum vitae incorporates/fulfils the following criteria:

1a) He is listed in scopus with 15 documents in influential journals e.g. Water Science and Technology and Water Research (ref. 18 and 19).

1b) Regarding significant new concepts: He was the holder of a patent, that was very influential in the field of wastewater treatment (ref. 21). Moreover, with his doctoral thesis, he laid the foundation for the construction of retention tanks in combined sewer systems – a now widely used method to prevent against flooding (ref.10, ref.12).

1f) + 5): Krauth was a full Professor of the department of civil engineering at the Institute for Sanitary Engineering, Water Quality and Solid Waste Management, University of Stuttgart (https://www.iswa.uni-stuttgart.de/en/, https://www.iswa.uni-stuttgart.de/institut/team/Krauth-00003/). He had an education in civil engineering, a major discipline (ref. 4,6,7,8).

2) Prestigious academic awards: Up to my knowledge the Karl Imhoff Award (1971), the Federal Cross of Merit of the Republic of Germany (1995) and the Max Prüss Medal of the DWA (2004) are regarded as prestigious academic awards at least in German-speaking countries. I have listed and linked all three (https://en.dwa.de/en/awards-and-prizes.html as well as https://www.gfa-news.de/webcode.html?wc=20201015_002 - his obituary, in which all his awards are mentioned).

6) Major post: Prof. Krauth was speaker of the ATV (today DWA (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Vereinigung_f%C3%BCr_Wasserwirtschaft,_Abwasser_und_Abfall), a nonprofit organization and knowledge hub for the water sector in Germany, comparable to IWA (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Water_Association)) main committee "Gewässerschutz und Abwasserreinigung" from 1987 to 1999. This is referenced in ref. 16 and 17.

7) Substantial impact outside academia: Prof. Krauth initiated and organized training-courses for the operating personnel of wastewater treatment plants. I think this is a very important and influential work to improve and advance water protection. Ref 25 provides information on his activities in this area.

So, I see seven of the required criteria as fulfilled and therefore would now regard the provided data as sufficient to allow an entry about Prof. Krauth to wikipedia. Thank you for help and your reasoned opinion on whether I am correct or references are still missing and in what way they should be completed. Hager Irene (talk) 16:27, 29 November 2021 (UTC) Hager Irene (talk) 16:31, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Welcome to the Teahouse, Hager Irene. Your updated draft may well be accepted now you have added the extra information — use the re-submit button when you're ready. However, I note that in the Honours and Awards section you have included external links to websites for the awards. This is rarely allowed in the body of an article (see WP:EL). You should instead make each external link into a reference which readers could use to verify that Krauth actually won the awards stated. It is OK to Wikilink the name of the award to an article about that award, if one exists. I note, for example that there is an article on Karl Imhoff but not the award itself. It would also help if you used short quotations in English from some of the references, so readers could briefly see what the references said. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:38, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Mike Turnbull Hi, thank you for your help and the information. I'll resubmit when I have completed the changes. Hager Irene (talk) 17:50, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Hager Irene I would also recommend pasting what you wrote above at the top of your draft, so that the reviewer can see it. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:14, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Naming of Article: Given name, or Known name?

Hi, I've created and have been contributing to the page Jim Swan. His given name is James S. Swan, however within the industry he worked in he was known as Jim Swan. The latter is also what he went by professionally on his LinkedIn, for example, and is what most articles refer to him as. Is it alright that the page is titled by his professional and known name rather than the one he was born with? (the page itself mentions both in the first sentence, this question is specifically regarding the titling of the article)

Thanks for answering!Xland44 (talk) 20:24, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Xland44, hello and welcome the Teahouse, please use the name he is predominantly know for(his most popular name) when deciding on an article title. See WP:COMMMONNAME. Celestina007 (talk) 20:26, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Quotes

Hi there, I dont like the way the template quotebox looks and im looking for a different thing like it or a different way to quote it, are there any? Kaleeb18 (talk) 19:44, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: Well, Template:Quotation templates lists some alternatives, but most of them should be used sparingly, if at all, in actual articles—a simple {{Blockquote}} is what's most often suitable in articles. What do you want to use the quotation for? Deor (talk) 22:24, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

well @Deor: in the article Woody (Toy Story) in the characteristics section the quote box just looks bad and i was wondering if there were better ones because I see different ways people put quotes on other articles. Kaleeb18 (talk) 03:33, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Kaleeb18: I agree that the full-width quote box there looks clunky, since the "full-widthness" of the box makes it appear below the image of Hanks, at a random place in the middle of the section text. But that might best be fixed by adding some suitable parameters the quote-box template. Have a look at the quote boxes (with a yellowish background) in the Ezra Pound article, and note the parameters that were used to control their width and placement. (And see the documentation of Template:Quote box for a full list of possible parameters.) Mightn't you do something similar in the Woody article? Deor (talk) 18:18, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Deor: Thank you, I think the quotebox looks much better now.Kaleeb18 (talk) 20:36, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I’m trying to get involved any advice on steps to take is appreciated

72.47.61.17 (talk) 20:36, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@72.47.61.17 Hello and welcome to the Teahouse please before anything, see WP:ADVENTURE, WP:TUTORIAL & WP:CTW. Celestina007 (talk) 20:56, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

publishing a new page

Hi, I recently uploaded my first page - on the Children's Media Conference in the UK https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Children%27s_Media_Conference

Wondering if someone would be able to take a look at it and tell me if it's ok? It's my first time writing for Wiki and I'm still a bit unsure of the submissions and review process. I've taken care to make the article impartial and to provide proper references. Appreciate another pair of eyes! Thank you Evadne elenchan (talk) 11:05, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello Evadne elenchan and welcome to the Teahouse. One thing that immediately strikes me in your draft is that you have re-used some references multiple times (e.g. 1/15, 12/13, 18/19). These need to be combined using WP:Refname. There is a beginners guide at WP:ERB. Mike Turnbull (talk) 13:15, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

thank you Mike Turnbull I have done that now! Let me know anything else that jumps out at you. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Evadne elenchan (talk • contribs) 21:22, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Teahouse

is there any certain goals or anything that can make you host of the teahouse? TheAlienMan2002 (talk) 19:51, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@TheAlienMan2002 Welcome to the Teahouse and to Wikipedia. Yes, all Teahouse hosts need to be experienced at editing Wikipedia and also to be able to welcome and communicate in a friendly and effective manner to new users like yourself who might be seeking guidance or advice. Whilst anyone who knows the right answer to give a new user may respond to any question posted here, we only expect editors to actually sign themselves up as a Host if they have been active on Wikipedia for a minimum of 30 days and have made around 500 mainspace edits. As you will have seen, our requirements are listed as follows:

»An editor who understands how Wikipedia works

»Helpful to new people, with a clear and friendly manner

»Familiar with the Teahouse project

»Someone who has been here for at least 30 days and has made around 500 mainspace edits

»Happy to follow our simple 'host expectations'

I hope this gives you the answer you were seeking. Regards from the UK, Nick Moyes (talk) 22:50, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

How can I add a logo to a page -had to remove old one and not sure how to replace with new one page Actian

 Vgoetz (talk) 20:32, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Vgoetz. Please read Wikipedia:Logos which should be helpful. Cullen328 (talk) 22:17, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Vgoetz: when you say "had to" - are you being paid to change this somewhat over-promotional article? If so, you must declare your connection, and the guidelines for doing so can be found at WP:PAID. Thank you.

Ah - I now see that you are probably employed by this company, and that other senior staff members have also been doing that in the past. Please tell them to stop, and to make an WP:EDITREQUEST on the article's talk page in future. You do not WP:OWN the contents on that page, or control it. Undeclared paid editors are not allowed to edit articles, and will be blocked. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:55, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

ARTICLE DELETED

Hello all. How can I retrieve my deleted draft article? It was marked speed delete. Munyua44 (talk) 06:56, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Munyua44, why would you want to retrieve Draft:Jean M. Nelson? I mean, what's your purpose? Espresso Addict deleted it as "Unambiguous advertising or promotion"; looking at it, I'd say that this description fits it perfectly. -- Hoary (talk) 07:06, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Munyua44 That’s unlikely to happen, especially as the single sentence currently on your own userpage suggests you have great difficulty writing anything non-hyperbolic. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:53, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

From IMBd "Jean M. Nelson is one of the most creative personalities in the music and film industry." he sounds like an accomplished person, but a quick search did not uncover any reliable source references with content written about him. IMBd, Instagram, SoundCloud, Facebook, etc., do not convey notability. David notMD (talk) 17:52, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Junk like that is precisely why IMDb is not a reliable source. Cullen328 (talk) 17:59, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Munyua44: I've had another look and I'm not minded to restore. If you want to formally contest my decision, then you can try Wikipedia:Deletion review. However, you would honestly be better advised to start again, trying to write neutrally in your own words, and including only things that are stated in reliable sources, such as magazine or newspaper articles. Note that IMDb is not considered sufficiently reliable. Good luck! Espresso Addict (talk) 23:44, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I got adopted for the Adopt-A-User program

Hello, I got adopted by someone in the Adopt-A-User program. What do I do next? TappyTurtle13 (talk) 22:43, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Keep your fingers crossed. Your would-be adopter probably means well, but announced the adoption not only on your talk page (as expected) but also atop your user page -- which is odd, to put it mildly. Anyway, the matter is between them and you. Hoary (talk) 23:29, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@TappyTurtle13 Welcome to the Teahouse. Oh dear, I don't quite know how to break this to you. The offer was made to you a year ago by an editor who didn't even know how to sign his post, and who at that time had only ever made 120 edits. And you have only noticed their post a year later? That is not a recipe for success.

Look, this is only my personal opinion, but the Adoption scheme is only really suited to help committed editors who are relatively new but already know the basics of editing, and now want to engage on an intensive, one-to-one level with an experience editor who is willing to put the time in to assist them. It is not suited either to brand new editors seeking help, nor is it a place for fairly inexperienced editors to pretend they know the ins and outs of Wikipedia and may well simply mislead others. Please don't take this the wrong way, but 'Adoption' involves a real commitment of time and effort from both parties, so for that reason I would never offer to adopt a complete newcomer such as yourself.

That said, I and many others are happy to help you and others here at the Teahouse with individual questions you may have. So, if you need help or guidance, just ask here, and forget adoption until you have learned the basics and know you're really willing to commit wholesale to enhancing your editing skills. Regards, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:40, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Alright I got it, thank you! Sorry if I was kinda dumb for doing that... TappyTurtle13 (talk) 23:47, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@TappyTurtle13 Not your fault at all, my friend. But we're always here for you, when you need us. Cheers, Nick Moyes (talk) 23:52, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

question about the notability of politicians

Hello, friends! Once upon a time, I was a Wikipedia administrator. But it's been quite a long time, and I'm afraid I don't know much about what's going on these days.

Question: What are Wikipedia's guidelines on the notability of local politicians? Is a local city elected official "notable" enough?

Thanks! Fang Aili ^talk 23:48, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Fang Aili: See WP:NPOL. Local politicians are notable if they have significant press coverage. RudolfRed (talk) 23:52, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict)

• Hi @Fang Aili!

As of current notability guidelines, being a local city elected official alone is not enough to be considered notable. This is per WP:POLITICIAN, which states that:

Politicians and judges who have held international, national, or (for countries with federal or similar systems of government) state/province–wide office, or have been members of legislative bodies at those levels. This also applies to people who have been elected to such offices but have not yet assumed them.

However, the policy also says "Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage are notable. So, ultimately, it depends. As most things do on Wikipedia XD ––FormalDude ^talk 23:53, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! Fang Aili ^talk 23:58, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Flagging content for revision?

Hi folks, I’ve been really interested to learn about how Wikipedia managed to morph from an open source information repository plagued with vandalism and poorly referenced articles to something infinitely better than the encyclopaedias I grew up with. For now though I’m concerned about disinformation and the effect it has on functioning democracies so I’m motivated to help in some way. I’d like help understanding 2 things.

1) When I’ve found a search is unsuccessful so have clicked ‘request this page’ but backed out before following through I’ve always wondered if there is a bot which collects those search terms and perhaps analyses for frequent topics. Is this the case?

2) I’ve got a lot to learn and I really don’t want to step on anyone’s toes so any etiquette tips regarding how to approach disinformation would be much appreciated. I’ve picked a complicated example deliberately so that I can get some nuanced responses. I’m hoping seasoned editors can share a bit about the way they apply logic when ensuring that a media outlet is accurately described on Wikipedia.

eg. 
“Because the academic and social progress of my students was at stake, I followed the COVID-19 data closely from the beginning. And I found that school closures were irrational and counterproductive. According to the most comprehensive studies to date, COVID’s survival rate among children and adolescents appears to be around 99.995%.” I then looked at the reference link provided (WSJ) and then wiki/The_Wall_Street_Journal

“(The Journal's) editorial board has promoted views that are at odds with the scientific consensus on climate change, acid rain, and ozone depletion, as well as on the health dangers of passive smoking, pesticides, and asbestos.[13]” https://www.tabletmag.com/sections/news/articles/school-closures-covid-alex-gutentag [13] https://www.wsj.com/articles/in-children-risk-of-covid-19-death-or-serious-illness-remain-extremely-low-new-studies-find-11625785260

There is an 11yo page for ‘tabletmag’ but I don’t feel it accurately reflects that content. I can see that submissions are accepted so it’s clear an editorial decision was made to publish these 4 articles. Even with very little training in formal logic I can spot a ‘call to authority’ at 50 paces but I am a complete novice about process and context so how hosts relate their own editorial practice in relation to disinformation will help me work out whether there is anything useful I can contribute here. Ideally I’d like a cue sheet of ‘if/then’ actions I can take when the Tsunami of disinformation falls upon us as it undoubtedly will when an election is called.

Thanks for any and all insight or messages related to this post. Please be kind. It has been a rough few years for everyone. EthicalAugur (talk) 15:52, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, EthicalAugur and welcome to the Teahouse. Thank you for your kind words at the beginning. When you talk about "submissions are accepted" and "an editorial decision was made to publish these 4 articles", it sounds as if you are thinking that Wikipedia has something like an editorial board: it doesn't. Decisions are made by a consensus of any and all volunteer editors who choose to be involved in them. Publishing an article is more formal than it used to be, and it will generally get looked at by at least a new page patroller; but often only by that one editor. Probably the majority of new articles now come throughy the articles for creation mechanism, and will be reviewed by at least one editor before they are accepted into the encyclopaedia; but editors who are autoconfirmed may create new articles directly. We also have many many older articles that are seriously deficent and would not now be accepted.

I see two complementary approaches to the issues you raise. One is to work on those specific articles, being BOLD, and/or discussing on their talk pages what needs doing. The other is to propose policies, or changes in policies: this is again achieved by consensus, and starts with a discussion at the village pump - or, if it affects only articles in a particular subject area, possibly in a WikiProject that covers that area. --ColinFine (talk) 16:23, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Lots of difficult thoughts, but they can be distilled, I think, into two simpler ideas. (1) Wikipedia isn't here to fight misinformation, or find the truth. It's here to report what other people say is the truth; and we rely on them, not ourselves, to fight misinformation. We try to avoid fringe conspiracy theories, and we evaluate our sources, but that's about our limit. (2) Wikipedia's strength against misinformation comes from the diversity and quantity of people who edit its articles. If one person is hoodwinked by a bad source, or one person is biased, they will be balanced by others who recognise the source is bad, or who have a different bias. The same idea applies to our sources. We rely on the idea that even if someone tries to disseminate misinformation, it is unlikely they will fool every reliable newspaper and author that has access to a printing press or the internet. Thank you for the question; it's good that we're made to think about such things. Elemimele (talk) 16:39, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Two comments:

1. The list of "requested" pages is pretty much a graveyard. (I once decided to pull a request out of the list and try to make an article. I chose a request which, unlike almost all the others, supplied some references. I found that the references were to interviews with the subject, and so did not demonstrate notability. I tried to find better references, failed, and gave up.)
2. The "eg" passage you quote above seems clueless. They don't close schools because the pupils might catch Covid and die, they close them because the pupils might catch Covid and transmit it to more vulnerable people. Maproom (talk) 16:54, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

It is worth noting that editors here rely on consensus and we've developed a pretty comprehensive list of sources we consider are reliable (or not). See WP:RSPS for the summary. Also, for medical claims we have much higher level of source requirements, summarised in the policy at WP:MEDRS — an article well worth reading. If you look at the edit history of recently-updated articles on pharmaceuticals, for example molnupiravir, you'll see that quite a few entries are removals of material that don't meet that standard. Hence, I don't think that the WSJ article could ever be used as the sole source for that claim about children. If the claim was to stand in a WP article, I would hope the reference would be to a MEDRS-compliant source (e.g. a review article in a refereed scientific journal). You can see the sort of internal discussion that goes on on COVID-related topics if you look at Talk:Ivermectin and its archives. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:11, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you all very much for taking the time to respond. I’ll take some time to do the reading and get back to you if I get stuck. I’m clueless regarding tagging and response conventions so will see how the bots parse this before even attempting. NB my comments about submissions and editorial process relate only to the media site ‘tabletmag’ and definitely not to Wikipedia itself. I would like this to be clear from the outset. Can anyone fast track me regarding best practice guidelines for adding an NB: or EDIT: to my original post? EthicalAugur (talk) 01:41, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

How do you remove citations?

How do you remove citations? Trying to remove an inline citation and the visual editor won't let me. Also can't select specific citations from the list at bottom of page. Pernicious.Editor (talk) 22:30, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Pernicious.Editor: Welcome to the Teahouse. When using the visual editor, you have to find the citation in the article text, select it, then press ← Backspace or Del. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 23:09, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes - removing a reference from where it is in the text of the article removes it from the Reference section and renumbers all subsequent refs. If you intend to remove a ref, does that leave text unsupported by a ref? Do you intend to also remove the text? Why? Provide a good explanation for the Edit summary, or possible the next editor will revert your action. David notMD (talk) 01:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Removal of Legal Issue

I added a summary of a product's intellectual property theft (documented), and someone removed it. How can I stop that from happening again? 2600:1700:7261:5680:88E3:C510:E9A3:EEAC (talk) 00:45, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

What kind of documents were these, how did you present this documentation, and what reason was given for removing the material? Simplest would be if you'd specify the article, and then people here could take a look. -- Hoary (talk) 00:58, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

This seems to be about GPT-3; Kleinpecan seems to be the 'someone' mentioned. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 01:18, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Proper place is Talk page of GPT-3, with invitation to Kleinpecan. David notMD (talk) 02:07, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Page creation

FYI

 – Added header. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 03:05, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Can I Create my page old Draft:Arya Shah? AryaHouse (talk) 02:59, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Do you mean "Can I recreate Draft:Arya Shah, which, with a different user name, I created earlier?"? If so, no you can't. If you mean something else, please explain. -- Hoary (talk) 03:14, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Seeking advice on improving a new article that has been flagged for deletion

Hi, I've found helpful explanations on this forum relating to article deletion but I'm seeking more guidance. I recently started an article for a living musician that is well-known and well-respected in the folk scene in my state but whose career has primarily been more national - having collaborated or performed with many musicians (who have their own wikipedia articles) in multiple genres (folk, classical, one pop group). She's been a featured guest performer for ensembles, etc, and performs with her own musical group or solo. So I don't think the problem is that she isn't notable enough for wikipedia given the criteria I see at WP:singers, the problem is me. Apparently I don't have enough experience to write an acceptable article (I had assumed more experienced editors would contribute, but first I have to establish notability so the page isn't deleted). I did a bunch of basic wikipedia tutorials and read all the beginner and basic documentation awhile back so I know a lot of the basics for articles that aren't about people. Before starting this article I reviewed WP biographies of living persons to understand what is and isn't allowed. So I followed wikipedia's motto "be bold" (i.e. don't wait to make something perfect / complete) with the assumption that other editors would help build it or at least put the tags for citation needed, etc. However, the article itself was immediately tagged for deletion because that reviewer thought it was promo material for a non-notable musician. So I'm trying to improve the article with more cited sources but every time I try to add content to substantiate notability, the reviewer tells me I'm violating wikipedias soapbox/promo policy. I read WP policy that coverage in a newspaper can't be primarily a concert announcement, but has to be more substantial, so I found a long interview from a major newspaper that substantiated basic facts but I'm told interviews can't be used. Part of the problem I'm finding is that articles and venue websites or concert programs I find for sources often include the same factual / performance info that artists share on their own websites, making it hard to find independent sources to substantiate those facts. I look at other musicians articles on wikipedia of similar stature (or less) and it seems like they are using the same kinds of sources I'm turning to and citing. Since my searches of newspaper databases are yielding the most content, I'd love some more advice on what a good cite-worthy newspaper source should include. Or if you can refer me to acceptable WP articles on specific folk or classical musicians (notable but not celebrity status) that I can look at for models, that would help me a lot. My goal is to have a good enough article that it won't be deleted. From there the world can take over. Sorry this question is so long! thanks Colliedog (talk) 02:31, 30 November 2021 (UTC) Colliedog (talk) 02:31, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Moira Smiley? -- Hoary (talk) 03:17, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

A Wikipedia page

The page that says list of people who claim to be Jesus. I should be on it. My Twitter will verify. @imadude009. My Facebook link is on there. I'm claiming to be Kid Christ Reincarnated. I'm James now. That's a past life. Just look at the Twitter. 174.251.162.155 (talk) 04:00, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Not going to happen. At List of people claimed to be Jesus, everyone in the list has an existing Wikipedia article about them. You don't. Not saying you are not Jesus, just that you have to be notable to be counted among the many. David notMD (talk) 04:06, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Is there a question

 2600:8801:2987:7700:F041:D77E:4DA8:B96D (talk) 04:39, 30 November 2021 (UTC)6 3

Is there a question? David notMD (talk) 04:52, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Biased edits

Recently, the NOlympics LA article has been created. So I added more info. Unfortinately, my edits were biased. As a result, I ceased making biased edits after an admin told me about this. However, another user just warned me just because I corrected the grammar in this article despite the fact I ceased making biased edits after I read that warning from another admin and despite the fact that it has a lot of edit errors. Is there is any advice? I tried to be neutral as I can. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 04:43, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, SpinnerLaserzthe2nd,

Welcome to the Teahouse. It would help if you provided links to the edits that were considered "biased". I'll refrain from offering my opinion as I've already share it with you. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 04:53, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Okay, thank you very much! SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 04:54, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I am trying to create a page for Kylan Guerra.

He is a professional Basketball player who plays overseas. I tried to mimic other pages of players in the same field but keep getting my submission rejected. Apparently, I am having trouble with the references. Can you help?  159.123.253.1 (talk) 19:51, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@User:159.123.253.1 By rejected, do you mean on Wikipedia:Articles for creation? If you're having trouble with references, you should cite information about him from information sources, such as news articles and interviews. --Xland44 (talk) 20:27, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:Kylan Guerra, created and most recently edited by Ginger Rocky. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:30, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

User also removed AFC templates from the same page. I have not added them back as I'm unsure if that would be appropriate or not. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:32, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

IP editor, you have not formatted your references properly. Please read Referencing for beginners. Cullen328 (talk) 22:25, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: I restored the AfC templates, as they contain helpful info for the draft author and future reviewers. GoingBatty (talk) 05:14, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

page notability

Hello Sir, I am excited to be part of the wikipedia family of editors. I have just started editing. I wish to know if there is a page of a film which is not released or completed yet can there be a page on it? There are no proper citations which show its notability or success. What should one do ? I noticed about a page which has not much significance. Whom should I point it out to ?or let it be for expert editors to work on it.Jumboweb (talk) 14:28, 29 November 2021 (UTC) Jumboweb (talk) 14:28, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Jumboweb Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. The notability criteria for films is written at WP:NFILM. Generally, a film must be released to be notable, and any article about it must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about the film. If you have no sources, the film cannot be on Wikipedia.

I gather that you have an association with this film, please review conflict of interest. 331dot (talk) 14:39, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply. I am aware that wikipedia is very strict in its rules hence asked a question. I am not in anyway associated with the film. But noticed there are many such pages floated on films which have not been released or don't really fit the criteria of notability but still are on wikipedia. one such example is page Tauba Tera Jalwa. Thus was curious to know what happens to such pages.Jumboweb (talk) 18:54, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Jumboweb I don't know the ins and outs of the notability of films, but there are plenty of articles on Wikipedia that should be deleted, but no one has gotten around to deleting them yet -- and it's possible that this is one of them. You might want to ask at WT:FILM if this qualifies for an article. If it doesn't, you could nominate it for deletion at WP:AFD. Calliopejen1 (talk) 19:18, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Sure Sir , Thank you. Will refer to the topics you suggestedJumboweb (talk) 07:22, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Anecdote

I have an anecdote someone told me, over fifty years ago. I know of no backup source in which it is documented, and I'm wondering whether the anecdote will, in effect, die with me. I doubt that it's acceptable in the Wikipedia article that it pertains to, but is there some other, general repository for recording anecdotes?

Realizing that if I simply added it to the article, it would be deleted, I wrote instead on the talk page. But it was removed from there. The reviewer kindly recommended the Teahouse, hence this post.

And to give you an idea about what kind of anecdote this is: here's what I put on the Talk page:

Garsdale station is a mile or two away from the village of Garsdale proper. Folklore has it that someone asked why it was so far. The answer as I remember it, in northern dialect, "Happen they built it near the railway." I don't know if the wording is exact, and have no source, but if someone can verify it, perhaps this anecdote can be included.2603:6010:4E42:500:30CF:D92B:C7CE:93E2 (talk) 00:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, IP editor. Unpublished anecdotes are not permitted on Wikipedia because of the policy No original research. All Wikipedia content must summarize what reliable published sources say about the topic, and must be verifiable. Article talk pages are for discussing improvements to the article, not for sharing anecdotes. Cullen328 (talk) 01:18, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Looking at the map, it's pretty obvious that the railway had to be built to go around Turner Hill and continue following the valley.--Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:45, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Making a Request to the community to upload pictures of musicians?

Hello i want to create a music section in a article for very notable Ethiopian/Amharic musicians. I found more than enough pictures of male performers of different genre's/era's, but not enough of female performers pictures are uploaded even though there's probably just as many of articles.

Can i request the wiki community here/somewhere for the upload of pictures?

Pictures of oldies and deceased Asnaketch Worku and Bizunesh Bekele. Old and alive Emahoy Tsegué-Maryam Guèbrou.

Less old Gigi (singer), Abby Lakew and Tsedenia Gebremarkos. Some newer ones Betty G and Munit Mesfin.

For the two deceased it's (almost) impossible to figure out who owns the copyright and/or if there is any, based on google searches. Does someone has a better way?

I just need one of the 3 oldies, and one of the newer/less old. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 08:41, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

@Dawit S Gondaria Welcome to the Teahouse. You might be very pleased to learn that, for deceased people, we do allow copyrighted images to be uploaded directly to Wikipedia (but not Wikimedia Commons) under a 'Non-Free content' basis (see WP:NFC) In particular, see point 10 of that page at WP:NFCI. Where a person is still alive, that is a very different matter. If you can find copyrighted images posted of living people on sites like Flickr, it can sometimes yield results if you approach the photographer directly and ask them to change the licencing of that specific image, or upload it themselves to Commons. I have used that method with wildlife images occasionally, and found some photographers only too happy to help, knowing that their work will be seen and used more widely. I hope this helps a bit. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:45, 28 November 2021 (UTC)

Nick Moyes thank you this could be very helpful! Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 00:13, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Nick Moyes One more question, can i use a non-free file in this way or is this considered a gallery, and is that allowed? Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 00:26, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Dawit S Gondaria To be honest: I really don’t know. You obviously wouldn’t be able to justify its use in any sandbox, but whether you could justify its use in a list article with images, I’m unsure. I suspect not. And I assume the WP:NFC page doesn’t specify anything? It might ‘’just’’ be permitted if it were purely there alongside others in one main list article to link to that person’s main article, but I think it best to avoid doing so, or be prepared to be told it can’t be used in that way, and only on their own article. Nick Moyes (talk) 08:03, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Nick Moyes i asked because of policy number 9 on WP:NFC it says Nogallery, questioning whether my idea is in a gallery form. I want to add it the Amhara people article, and create a music section there, the same way i did for the literature section. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 10:03, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Dawit S Gondaria Then I think the answer would be "No" - use a non-free image only in the article about that person or subject. Nick Moyes (talk) 10:18, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Sources

From where can I seek help on finding sources for my article. I want someone to help me find sources on one of my articles. Where should I post my request? Itcouldbepossible (talk) 07:49, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Itcouldbepossible, you can try Wikiprojects related to the topic of your article. For example, if you're writing about a chemical, try Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Chemistry. Wikipedia:Reference desk and WP:RX may be of interest. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 09:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång Thanks for the source. Itcouldbepossible (talk) 11:45, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Table help needed

In Riboflavin, Dietary recommendtions section, the table on the right-hand side had content in a third column, since removed, but I cannot figure out how to remove the 'ghost' column that has no content in its cells. If anyone can see how to do it, do it, because explaining it to me so I can do it will take far longer. David notMD (talk) 04:03, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@David notMD: An extra column parameter was present, this has been fixed. MT Train^Talk 04:37, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you. David notMD (talk) 11:46, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Generalized on English language vs Specialized on Foreign Language

Hi all. I'm writing an article on an individual who was born in a Cossack family. Generally Cossacks are interpreted to be of Ukrainian or Russian descent, however this individual was not Slavic but of Buryat(Mongolian) descent. There is an article on Buryat Cossacks on the Russian language wiki(this does not exist on the English wikipedia) but this would create a red link and I am trying to keep red links to a minimum. On the other hand I could add the English language wikilink on Cossacks but this could create confusion about things such as his nationality. What is the ideal thing to do here? Many thanks. Jaguarnik (talk) 19:00, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Jaguarnik. There is an English language article about the Buryats. Link to that as well. Cullen328 (talk) 19:06, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

I've already linked to the Buryats in his nationality and description but I mean in his early life. I say "he was born to a Buryat Cossack family" and that's where my dilemma is.Jaguarnik (talk) 19:58, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Jaguarnik, There is nothing wrong with creating redlinks, but you could say "Buryat Cossack" or you could link to the Russian article. Zoozaz1 (talk) 20:20, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks all for the help.Jaguarnik (talk) 20:37, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

To expand on Zoozaz1's answer, Jaguarnik, the benefit of including red links is that it encourages other editors to consider creating an article about the subject. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:50, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Jaguarnik, you can use {{ill}} to create a redlink plus a link to ruwiki: Buryat Cossacks ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 12:41, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Question

Since I use the mobile version of wikipedia, I had one question. How to move or create a page in the mobile version? Gizte (talk) 04:59, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Gizte. Perhaps the information you're looking for can be found in WP:MOBILE. Did you know that there's a "Desktop" link at the the bottom of mobile Wikipedia pages that allows you to switch from the mobile version to the desktop version? For the most part, you can use this to edit Wikipedia pretty much the same way as if you weren't editing from a mobile device. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:05, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Gizte, go to Special:MobileOptions and turn on "Advanced mode" (if it's not already on). That will add a "⋮" button to the top toolbar. Tap that and the last item in the drop-down should be "Move". ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 13:30, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Copyright image

Hello, if I edit a copyrighted image in any app, for example, if I add some filters to it, will it be non-copyrighted? Thank you. Richard Michael William (talk) 13:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Nope. When creating a Derivative work, Richard, you need permission/license from the original copyright holders. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 13:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Repertorium Eruditorum Totius Europae: citation spam or not

I would like an opinion as to whether edits such as the following constitute citation spam or not:

Leiden_University revision of 08:37, 30 November 2021

Also, I solicit opinions about the fact that such edits (this is one of a couple of dozen such edits) are marked as "minor edits". (I'd like the opinion to be "if somebody's improperly/flagrantly marking edits as minor, you are free to flagrantly revert such edits.) Fabrickator (talk) 12:54, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

To answer the second part of your question, I assume that the editor may not have been aware of the guidance at Help:Minor edit, so I have given them the appropriate notice. In these circumstances I wouldn't necessarily regard the marking as a minor edit as grounds for reverting the edit. --David Biddulph (talk) 13:02, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

To answer the first part of your question I did consider these edits to be citation spam when the same editor was earlier trying to edit war similar content into University of Bologna. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 14:09, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Editing an Academic-written review entry

Hi, what are the guidelines for dual-publication entries - specifically those that use the "Academic-written review" template? Are these types of entries meant to be left as is so that they continue to be line with the corresponding journal article, or can those types of entries be edited the same as any other Wikipedia article? Thank you. CNYLibrarian (talk) 20:20, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@CNYLibrarian could you give us an example of such an article please. I've been a regular editor since 2007 but I have no idea what you're asking about. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 20:58, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Dodger67 Thank you for your reply! There are several, the one I am interested in editing is Folliculin. A list of all of them also exists. This is the template info. CNYLibrarian (talk) 21:13, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

CNYLibrarian, those articles will continue to be edited. The reviewed version is published in the journal. The article could be re-reviewed and published again if there are significant changes. What journal are you expecting to publish in? The article has already had 28 editors. How will they be credited in the publication? StarryGrandma (talk) 01:58, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@StarryGrandma Thank you for answering my question, it's greatly appreciated. I am not looking to publish a journal article, but would like to update the Wikipedia entry with info from additional recent research articles. Since it was the first dual-publication article I've run across in Wikipedia, I wanted to be sure that there weren't editing guidelines that I failed to locate and should know about. Thanks again! CNYLibrarian (talk) 03:07, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi CNYLibrarian! I'm not aware of any guidelines, but like StarryGrandma I expect the articles would continue to be edited in the normal manner. I'd incline to using the same caution as with a "Good Article". ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 12:56, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you, everyone!! CNYLibrarian (talk) 14:14, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

How do I get my contributions published?

Hi, I recently expanded the section on the controversies over the Anthropocene in the Anthropocene wikipedia page; however, my edits have not yet been published. What process should I go through for my edits to publish? Thank you!  Nalyd24 (talk) 14:46, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Nalyd24 according to Special:Contributions/Nalyd24 you have not yet edited the Anthropocene article. You have created a page in your userspace User:Nalyd24/Anthropocene where you have written several paragraphs. You need to copy your draft text to an appropriate place or places in the Anthropocene article. In Wikipedia articles we generally try to avoid having a specific "Controversy" section unless there is really a major controversy about the topic. Best practice is to place discussion about divergent opinions and disputes within relevant sections of the article. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:05, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Sources

One of the policies in Wikipedia is that all materials must have a source but how to sure or how to know if the URL or link provided for a source/reference are safe? Thanks in advance. —It'sCtrlwiki • talk • 12:28, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

You'll find advice at WP:Verifiability and at WP:Reliable sources, together with various links from those pages. --David Biddulph (talk) 12:33, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I don't know what you mean in this context by "safe", Ctrlwiki. Do you mean "free of spyware"? Do you mean reliable? Or do you mean something else? -- Hoary (talk) 12:35, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

As a reviewer, I need to verify if the sources provided by the user in an article is reliable, except for this one, I also need to verify if the information added by the user is accurate as the provided source, and one way to do this is to click the link for verification, but what if the provided link by anonymous user is not safe or containing unsafe data, I mean, every article in Wikipedia contains a lot of different external links, and how to know if they are safe and they can not damage my device or account.—It'sCtrlwiki • talk • 13:10, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Ultimately, I don't think that you can fully trust any external link: your own browser plus virus-detector are the ultimate backups. Many known spam websites are blocked by Wikipedia software so that they can't be added in the first place but bad links do get through and can be reported at WP:WPSPAM. I'd be more cautious about reviewing drafts or edits created by IP users but over the years I've been using Wikipedia I've never personally hit a damaging link. Ultimately we have to assume good faith Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:28, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

John Gatins wiki page -

I am John Gatins and I am curious about why someone continues to post the same incorrect information about prior substance abuse and sobriety date and involvement in alcoholics anonymous - I think the source that is referenced is an article in the Los Angeles times - none of this information is stated in that article - can someone help me edit or remove this misinformation? - thanks for any help - john Lalalabusyx46 (talk) 07:16, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Lalalabusyx46. If you believe that the current version of the article does not correctly summarize the Los Angeles Times article about addiction, then post an edit request on Talk: John Gatins. If you think that the LAT content is wrong, take it up with the LAT. If they retract and publish a correction, then the Wikipedia article can also be corrected at that time. We summarizing what published, reliable sources say. Cullen328 (talk) 08:01, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

While most of that section does seem to correctly summarize the LAT article, I removed the exact sobriety date because (1) it is not stated exactly in-source and (2) I would err on the side of privacy here. The rest is mentioned in the LAT and IMO represented well in the Wikipedia article (Lalalabusyx46, if you disagree, please point out the exact sentence that you object to, and if possible suggest a replacement). The LAT is an interview, but one has no real reason to think that the interviewed person lied or misremembered stuff here. Tigraan^{Click here for my talk page ("private" contact)} 12:39, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Cullen and Tigraan thank you so much for your responses - I am trying to learn about Wiki - I know absolutely nothing about how it works - for example - why do I even have a wiki page? who wrote it? why? lol - and I reread the LAT article which I had only read once 9 years ago and laughed as I was reminded of that piece and a few others that ran - all of which had shades of truth to them - but being a bit overwhelmed with the picking through my personal life that was going on I just kept moving - never stopping to point out inaccuracies or bends on truths - Tigraan, I really appreciate you saying to err on the side of privacy with regards to a date not specifically stated in the article - and as it is my personal life and I have no desire or agency by which I could put an update to any facts or relationships to organizations cited from the article - I'm not sure what there is to do - If you asked me what I'd prefer - it is privacy - I have no twitter or facebook - I don't have social media profiles - my personal opinion about any news outlet like the LAT associating anyone with AA is that it is dangerous both for that individual and AA itself - the second A being Anonymous - any association I might have or have had with AA is irrelevant and unprovable as I don't think those meetings take minutes or roll call - I know that my opinions don't matter and I appreciate wiki editors trying to base articles on fact - I see that wiki graded that LAT article a C - which makes it a somewhat shaky reference - I truly appreciate you both responding to my questions - and I really appreciate the nod towards privacy - and any further nods in that direction would be greatly appreciated - I'd love the personal life section to go away - I also didn't really grow up near saratoga racetrack - it was 3 hours from my house - I went a few times in my life - I will reread the wiki page and see if there is anything I can add to improve the facts - sorry to go long here - cheers - have a great day, gents ----

Lalalabusyx46 To answer one of your questions, the article was created by User:Bobamnertiopsis back in 2013, and edited by many people since then. History of edits seen by clicking on View history, top menu. Given that it is about you (accepting that you are who you say you are), your path for changes is to create a New section on the Talk page of the article, and there post the specific changes you want, as in delete _____ and add _____, including references for the latter. All content must be verified by refs. Wikipedia does respect personal privacy, so you can also post requests that certain information by removed, especially if not germane to whatever makes you notable. David notMD (talk) 15:36, 30 November 2021 (UTC)David notMD - i appreciate your help - jg----

Lalalabusyx46 I apologize as I've been removing your edits thinking that it was vandalism. If this is a case of violation of privacy through BLP I think the smart move here is to delete and see if there's further info regarding the wikipedia policies. CaffeinAddict (talk) 15:45, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

CaffeinAddict - I truly appreciate you deleting that portion - I can't imagine that anyone will feel so inclined as to try to restore some version of that content - but if someone does I can take the steps you suggest to further claim this article as you call it about me - I may very well try to read through the history of the article and its editors to get a sense of why it was created - all to say that I appreciate you - be well - jg ----

Template not working.. for some reason

Hello! I attempted to add the template {{Infobox Wikipedia user}} to my userpage but I appear to have done something wrong as it's not displaying correctly. Anyone know what I'm doing wrong? ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:42, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi Blaze The Wolf - you were missing the vertical bars ( | ) at the beginning of each line - I think I've fixed it, if not, just revert my edit - best wishes - Arjayay (talk) 15:49, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Yep that worked. I think I had gone too far when I was removing the bars that encased my userboxes on specific lines (I pressed replace all forgetting some other templates used them). I'm working on fixing it right now. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 15:51, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Is there a template that says [How?] or [How so?]?

To add next to a statement so that it can be explained? I don't know what it's called (weasel words?). I've only seen [By whom?] or [When?], but never seen [How?]. Lupine453 (talk) 20:11, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

@Lupine453, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, you might be looking for this; try copying this {{how}}. That should do the trick. Celestina007 (talk) 20:16, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you Lupine453 (talk) 20:35, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Lupine453 I'm late on parade again, but for a full list of these tags please see Template:Inline cleanup tags - rather annoyingly, some tags have a ? and some don't - so they are not all intuitive and I always use print preview to check (I know I should anyway!) - Arjayay (talk) 15:33, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Arjayay, next time you type a tag and it comes out red on preview, perhaps you should save it as is, click the redlink and redirect it to the blue one you were going for. Regards! Usedtobecool ☎️ 17:04, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Arjayay, Oh good to know. Thank you. Lupine453 (talk) 17:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Image published under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0

Does an image/artwork from 1585 contained in a book which is published under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 belong to public domain? Can it be uploaded to wikimedia commons? I am talking about this image which I have uploaded to English Wikipedia under fair use clause but now I discover that the entire book that contains this artwork is published under CC BY-NC-SA 4.0. Can I transfer this to commons? If yes, with what rationale? Thanks in advance. Mosesheron II (talk) 20:22, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Any image from 1585 is definitely in public domain now regardless where it is currently published. Ruslik_Zero 21:02, 29 November 2021 (UTC

Hello, Mosesheron II. I agree that any image that old is definitely in the public domain. As for the CC BY-NC-SA 4.0 license, that allows for non-commercial re-use only, and so it is not compatible with Wikipedia's licensing, which allows re-use for any purposes including commercial use. Cullen328 (talk) 22:53, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi, Mosesheron II! For the gory details, see c:Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag and c:Commons:Reuse of PD-Art photographs. ⁓ Pelagic ( messages ) 13:09, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Thank you all. Now I know the essence of Bridgeman Art Library v. Corel Corp.. Transferred it to the commons. Mosesheron II (talk) 17:50, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Sandbox to review to live?

FYI

 – Added header. Wikignome Wintergreen^talk 17:40, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I've forgotten how to submit a new article and can't fathom for some reason. It seems to be in a sandbox https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_E._Taylor Am feeling a bit dim, apologies. Likeybikey (talk) 17:34, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Likeybikey: - it's in main space. Reference [32] needs fixing and the article might benefit from the addition of an infobox - {{Infobox person}}. Mjroots (talk) 18:10, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikignome Wintergreen Thanks so much! Trying to fix, if you have time to advise, this link is good https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/karl-shapiro so where have I gone wrong?

• 1944 Karl Shapiro - "V Letters"

Another editor has changed the troublesome ref 32 to <ref>{{Cite web|url=https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/karl-shapiro|title=V-Letter and Other Poems, by Karl Shapiro (Reynal)|website=www.pulitzer.org|access-date=2021-11-30|archive-url=https://web.archive.org/web/20211130185633/https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/karl-shapiro|archive-date=2021-11-30|url-status=live}}</ref>, which renders as

References

Can I use Reddit as a source?

I wanted to add this source (https://www.reddit.com/r/MeansTV/comments/dmgmki/no_olympics_in_la_no_olympics_in_tokyo_no/) to the NOlympics LA article. I am not sure if its okay or not.

Also, in terms of biased edits, do you think the current revision is better than this edit or do you think it needs editing?

SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 09:59, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

hi SpinnerLaserzthe2nd! to answer your first question, you generally should avoid using reddit as a source due to being a self-published source. happy editing!  melecie  t - 10:06, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

What about the second one? Do you think the links are biased. SpinnerLaserzthe2nd (talk) 10:12, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

• @SpinnerLaserzthe2nd, hello and welcome to the Teahouse, To expound on what has already been said to you, Reddit is a forum and you may not use a forum as a reliable source nor can you use a self published or user generated materials as a reliable source. The fundamentals of identifying a reliable source which you need to know is, a reliable source, has to have a reputation for fact checking and a presence of editorial oversight, this is what you need to know primarily. Sourcing is an “art” thus it is very tricky and a little bit difficult to master but not impossible. You did well by coming here for verification, please do not hesitate to ask more questions when you are unsure about a source. Celestina007 (talk) 18:25, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Shortcuts

Hi, my username is Rzzor and I'm a new user. Can someone tell me some shortcuts like using the two apostrophes to italicize? Thanks. (Also, what's a tilde?) Edit: Thank you Blaze and Rose for helping me. I'll probably use this information later writing articles.  Rzzor (talk) 18:53, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Rzzor, welcome! See WP:CHEATSHEET or the longer WP:TUTORIAL. For tilde, see WP:SIGN (or tilde). Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:14, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

A tilde is this character: ~. I would probably describe it as a wavy dash. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 19:24, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Rzzor, Welcome to Wikipedia! I left a little welcome message with some links you might be interested in as you start your journey here. I see you already found your Sandbox. That's the best place to practice so I'm happy you discovered or were directed there. You can, as always, ask any questions here on the Teahouse and the very capable hosts and watchers will assist. I hope you enjoy your time here and good luck with the editing! --ARoseWolf 19:41, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia Image Google Search Box

Hi, I recently changed an image for a search entry on the Wiki page but now it's not showing up in the Google search box. It's just text in the Google search box for this entry. Any help would be appreciated! 69.131.216.32 (talk) 19:53, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia has no control over what Google does with Wikipedia content; it sometimes takes time for things to update. 331dot (talk) 19:57, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks very much!

Alexandria Times on Wiki needs the name of its Founder, which is me :-]

 Courtesy link: Alexandria Times

Why does "Alexandria Times" on wiki not include the name of its Founding Editor and Publisher, John Arundel? I sold the paper to Denise Dunbar in 2009 but there is no mention as to who founded the paper. I live in Alexandria, VA. with my children, and this is my legacy. This is deeply hurtful to me. Please change. Thank you, John Arundel

Here are citations:

https://books.google.com/books?id=dFcbAQAAMAAJ&pg=RA1-PA459&lpg=RA1-PA459&dq=john+arundel+who+founded+the+Alexandria+Times&source=bl&ots=12WNRi6HuK&sig=ACfU3U2eRyquMd9Apvyk8_jTZV9J0cjYwA&hl=en&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwij3MjR68D0AhWeoHIEHfG1DaEQ6AF6BAgWEAM#v=onepage&q=john%20arundel%20who%20founded%20the%20Alexandria%20Times&f=false

https://www.linkedin.com/in/joarundel/ Jonarunwiki (talk) 20:15, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Jonarunwiki: Hello Jon and thank you for coming here first before adding it. Since you say you are the founder I suggest you take a look at WP:COI and WP:PAID. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:24, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hi @Jonarunwiki, the article has been updated to reflect this, in the infobox and halfway down the lead paragraph, citing the source you provided. I hope this helps :) — Berrely • ^Talk∕_Contribs 20:24, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Jonarunwiki:, Hi, for the future, the correct thing to do isn't to edit the article yourself, it's to request on the talk-page associated with the article the changes you'd like made. This is because you have a conflict of interest (more information at WP:COI). Also, the information should ideally have a reliable secondary and independent source. The linkedin reference won't do, and the trademark register reference is a bit iffy, being very much a primary source. It would be really nice if you can find an article written by someone else, perhaps a different newspaper, welcoming your new newspaper on the journalistic scene? Thanks for raising the issue here. Elemimele (talk) 20:40, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Laurence_Myers

I am writing an article but it has been declined for publication about three times. I do think the subject is qualified as there are books and other publications that write about his inventions so I am wondering if the way the article is written, is the problem.. I have since the last decline, changed some things, so I think it might be better but appreciate any help. All advice is welcome. Thanks! Vedlagt (talk) 20:14, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Declined four times. ALL of the stuff about patents is about the inventions, therefore NONE of it contributes to establishing HIS notability. Ditto the content about his family. Unless some of the other refs are about him, at length, no hope. David notMD (talk) 20:59, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Recording anecdotes

I have an anecdote someone told me, over fifty years ago. I know of no backup source in which it is documented, and I'm wondering whether the anecdote will, in effect, die with me. I doubt that it's acceptable in the Wikipedia article that it pertains to, but is there some other, general repository for recording anecdotes?

Realizing that if I simply added it to the article, it would be deleted, I wrote instead on the talk page. But it was removed from there. The reviewer kindly recommended the Teahouse, hence this post.

And to give you an idea about what kind of anecdote this is: here's what I put on the Talk page:

Garsdale station is a mile or two away from the village of Garsdale proper. Folklore has it that someone asked why it was so far. The answer as I remember it, in northern dialect, "Happen they built it near the railway." I don't know if the wording is exact, and have no source, but if someone can verify it, perhaps this anecdote can be included.2603:6010:4E42:500:3869:D33C:BCBC:A7CA (talk) 16:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC) 2603:6010:4E42:500:3869:D33C:BCBC:A7CA (talk) 16:44, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello and welcome to the Teahouse. Wikipedia summarizes what published independent reliable sources state about a topic, and can be verified. Personal recollections in and of themselves do not usually fall in that category. If this recollection is published in an independent reliable source, that might work, but you posting your personal recollection is not sufficient, unfortunately. 331dot (talk) 16:54, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks – and yes, I know that it's not appropriate for the article itself, and I agree with that policy. What my question has to do with is whether a repository exists, other than the main encyclopedia, for recording anecdotes.2603:6010:4E42:500:3869:D33C:BCBC:A7CA (talk) 17:02, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Not on WP. You may want to look into something like Everipedia, more at List of online encyclopedias. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:25, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Also, if your anecdote is ever published in a local book about the station, or in a local newspaper article reminiscing about its history, then you may be able to get it inserted into the WP article sourced to the book or newspaper (the logic is that if one of these has chosen to publish the anecdote, then someone independent of you has agreed that it is interesting, relevant, and maybe even true!). It's not a guarantee that it'd be accepted, but it's a big step in the right direction, and of course it will also preserve the anecdote for posterity in whatever book or newspaper does the deed. Good luck, I too love such anecdotes. Elemimele (talk) 21:05, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Feedback

Will someone please give me feedback on my edits? --InternetScavenger89 20:09, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

I'm not going to evaluate your edits as I don't believe that's extremely constructive. What I will do is say that you are appreciated and I encourage you to soak up as much wisdom from longtime editors as possible. Ask for and take to heart as much advice as you can. Follow links and study policy, guidelines and even essays (where applicable). Read, read, read! Exploring the encyclopedia and testing things on your sandbox isn't a bad idea either. We have some amazing editors here that you can learn so much from and I think you probably have thoughts you can offer that will be constructive for the encyclopedia. Be Bold but be conscious. --ARoseWolf 20:24, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@InternetScavenger89: (pinging). ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:25, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@Blaze The Wolf: Last questions, How do you archive talk page discussions? --InternetScavenger89 20:27, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

@InternetScavenger89: There are 2 (Technically 3 but 2 of them are similar) way of doing so, manually and via a bot. H:ARC provides information on how to do so. ― Blaze The Wolf^Talk_{Blaze Wolf#6545} 20:29, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

How do you give an administrator a barnstar if they have extended confirmed protection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by InternetScavenger89 (talk • contribs) 21:40, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

You should add that to the talk page, not try and edit their user page. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:50, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

New Page Reviewer Question

Do I have to have 500 edits or more to become a new pages reviewer? I only have about 210, but want to become a new pages reviewer to help with Wikipedia. HelixxUnderscore (talk) 18:57, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello HelixxUnderscore and welcome to the Teahouse. Generally speaking, 500 edits in mainspace is needed, yes. It's more of a guideline and not an exact rule; however, I've found through experience that it's much better not to rush into things. I would try doing some new work at Special:NewPages for a while; you'll come up to 500 in time. It also requires experience etc; it's better to get into things bit by bit, until you have more experience. It's great that you want to help out also; keep it up! Cheers, Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 19:20, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Rubbish computer, but just one more thing, what type of stuff can I do at Special:NewPages? HelixxUnderscore (talk) 16:51, 30 November 2021 (UTC)

Hi HelixxUnderscore, sorry for the delayed response, was very busy with college work. There's videos and information at Wikipedia:New pages patrol which go over it in more detail. There's lots that can be done, anything from spelling and grammar issues, to categorising pages, to keeping out spam and vandalism. I think that page covers all the main activities. Cheers, Rubbish computer Ping me or leave a message on my talk page 22:41, 30 November 2021 (UTC)