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Count of DYK Hooks
Section	# of Hooks	# Verified
September 23	1
September 24	1
September 26	1
September 27	1	1
September 28	1
October 3	1
October 5	1
October 6	1
October 7	2
October 8	1
October 9	1
October 12	1
October 13	5	2
October 15	4	1
October 16	2
October 17	1
October 18	5	1
October 19	4	1
October 20	2
October 22	5	1
October 23	4	1
October 24	3	1
October 25	2	1
October 27	1
October 28	3
October 30	5	1
October 31	7	3
November 1	8	5
November 2	8	6
November 3	11	7
November 4	7	3
November 5	9	6
November 6	4	2
November 7	8	5
November 8	6	2
November 9	7	4
November 10	8	4
November 11	6	4
November 12	4	2
November 13	6	1
November 14	7	1
November 15	12	7
November 16	9	5
November 17	6	3
November 18	15	12
November 19	13	5
November 20	10	8
November 21	13	6
November 22	10	4
November 23	4	3
November 24	4
November 25	5	3
November 26	1	1
November 27	2	2
November 28
November 29
November 30
Total	269	125
Last updated 01:05, 30 November 2024 UTC Current time is 01:55, 30 November 2024 UTC [refresh]

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Nominations

Older nominations

Articles created/expanded on September 23

Ngiam Tong Dow

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• ... that Singapore's first and largest purchase of gold from South Africa was completed in 1968 by comparing two halves of a United States one-dollar bill?

• Source: "In 1968, we went to the World Bank meeting. The South Africans were there and we invited the South African Finance Minister to our hotel room."

"Dr Goh wanted to buy gold at a fixed price, rather than a floating market price. So we agreed to buy 100 tons, a substantial amount, at $40 US dollars." "Then he took out his US one dollar note. And sliced it into halves! Just like that. He gave half to me and said, "You keep this. I will keep the other half and my man will meet you in Switzerland."" "I handed the sliced US dollar note over. He took out the other half. It matched! The serial numbers were the same."

Ngiam, Tong Dow. A Mandarin and the Making of Public Policy: Reflections by Ngiam Tong Dow. ISBN: 978-9971-69-350-3

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Created by BenTanXiaoMing (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 09:47, 25 September 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: v/r - TP 15:02, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

@BenTanXiaoMing: @TParis: This hook violates WP:EGG, and the claim that it is/was the "largest" purchase is never mentioned in the article, just that it was the first. A new hook is needed. Kimikel (talk) 03:09, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

@Kimikel: "Largest" was in there at the time of the review. It was removed in this edit by @Justanothersgwikieditor:. I've added it in with a new ref. And the hook is fine. No one expects to find an article titled "purchase of gold from South Africa". But here is an alt anyway.--v/r - TP 13:59, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that Ngiam Tong Dow negotiated Singapore's first and largest purchase of gold from South Africa in 1968 by comparing two halves of a United States one-dollar bill?

ALT1 is good to go. Nobody would reasonably infer that a link saying "purchase of gold from South Africa was completed" would lead to a page about a Singaporean civil servant, so ALT0 is not fine, per WP:EGG. Kimikel (talk) 23:01, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

You're just going to skim over the fact that you accused me of lazily not verifying the original hook without checking the article's history?--v/r - TP 01:46, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

I did not "accuse" of you of anything. I simply noted that the article and the hook did not match, which is a requirement for DYK. Get over yourself. Kimikel (talk) 02:41, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Because it had been changed after the review. Geeze, some people--v/r - TP 02:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@BenTanXiaoMing and TParis: I wouldn't call an autobiography a reliable source for a claim like this, unless it was clear someone independently fact-checked and verified it. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 04:29, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Theleekycauldron: Thanks for highlighting the issue! I managed to find a few more sources to support the claim. Added it to the article. BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 07:45, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

@TParis and Theleekycauldron: Is this approved? If not, what else needs to be done?--Launchballer 14:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer and BenTanXiaoMing: I think the best source for the claim would be Bold Vision: The Untold Story of Singapore’s Reserves and Its Sovereign Wealth Fund, by Freddy Orchard? It's what the AFR source is quoting. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:44, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

@BenTanXiaoMing: Please address the above as this times out in 36 hours.--Launchballer 12:16, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer: Apologies for the delayed response. Thanks to theleekycauldron for highlighting the original source. I've added it as a citation in the article as that is the best source so far to back up the claim.— Preceding unsigned comment added by BenTanXiaoMing (talk • contribs)

Pinging @Theleekycauldron:, as pings don't work if you don't sign.--Launchballer 13:36, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer: Thanks for the ping and heads up! Will take note. BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 06:39, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• @BenTanXiaoMing and Launchballer: Please note that technically, the nomination already timed out a couple of days ago. However, as issues are currently being addressed, a one-week extension from the 23rd might be fine to fix any issues. So for the nomination to not be closed, it is suggested to address any remaining issues by the 30th. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Thanks for the heads up! Are there any remaining outstanding issues? ALT1 seems good to me. Thank you. BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 11:17, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Launchballer and Leeky were the ones with article concerns so it would be better to ask them. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Still needs an end-of-sentence citation. Not sure why this wasn't flagged earlier.--Launchballer 11:35, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Will the source mentioned by theleekycauldron suffice? Thanks! BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 02:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Should do.--Launchballer 11:59, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Good to hear that! Hope it will be approved soon. BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 05:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry if I wasn't clear. That source will suffice once it is added to the article.--Launchballer 00:31, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

I've added the sources at the end of the paragraph in the article. Thank you! BenTanXiaoMing (talk) 01:07, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 24

Expandable card game

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• ... that compared to collectible card games, expandable card games focus more on storytelling and cooperation? Source: https://www.playthepast.org/?p=6913 and its subsequent parts linked in the article as refs
  • ALT1: ... that expandable card games are sometimes known as "living card games", but the latter term, while popular, is trademarked by a single company, preventing its use by competitors? Source: http://www.pairofdiceparadise.com/expandable-card-games-ecg-trademarks-patents-3-of-3-a167.php
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Genocide in the Hebrew Bible

Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 519 past nominations.

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 13:43, 24 September 2024 (UTC).

• I think there is an issue with the article, which is that going by the most of the sources in the article and the hook source, the WP:COMMONTERM appears to be "living card game", and therefore that should be the title of the article and the boldlink. For related reasons I think ALT1 is actually the more interesting hook, though it would benefit from rephrasing to make it punchier. I'm keen to hear other opinions. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 23:59, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

• @Piotrus: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 14:51, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

• @Cloventt and Z1720: This has been discussed a bit by card game editors, I also pinged them at Talk:Expandable_card_game#Not_much_on_this. It is not clear what is common term, and while LCG is a common term, as explained in the article, it is trademarked by one company, and could be considered not neutral - prioritizing that one company over others. I'd be happy to see this discussed on talk, but nobody seems to care, and I don't feel like deciding by myself to use a term specific to one company over what appears to be a perfectly fine and more neutral (not trademarked) term. As for the "punchier" wording, feel free to suggest an ALT1a and I can "adopt" it if it seems ok to me, so you could accept it... otherwise I am sorry, I don't know what your idea of "punchier" is. PS. Please WP:ECHO me when replying, if my response is needed. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 15:01, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

@Piotrus and Cloventt: What else needs to be done here?--Launchballer 14:14, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer: I already replied extensively, with a ping. Maybe a new reviewer is needed? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:05, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• I'm not sure how to fix this because as I said initially I think it is something of a fundamental issue with the article. Happy for another reviewer to weigh in on it. In terms of a punchier hook, something like "... that 'expandable card games' is a generic alternative for the trademarked term 'living card games'?"David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 20:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
  • @Cloventt: I'd be fine with that hook. Would you be ok with the article getting featured using it? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 12:59, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
    • I’d rather leave it to another reviewer to decide. David Palmer//cloventt ^(talk) 03:06, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

•  Doing....Two preliminary comments, though:

1. I'm fine with "Expandable card game" as the article title.
   • The WP:COMMONTERM is debatable, and since "Living card game" is a copyrighted term, we should not underestimate our influence as most cited reference work on the planet. I'm quite sure Wikipedia has more readers than Fantasy Flight Games has players, and if we title our article that way, we will be putting our thumb on the scales in making it a generic trademark in a big way, which will be doing nontrivial and active harm to them. As long as it is debatable, we should not do that.
   • Also, "Expandable" is simply more descriptive. "Living" could mean any number of things (I've heard Legacy games described as "living"), "expandable" is much more clear.
2. However, I am troubled by the first line of the article, and its definition/scope. "card games where each player has their own deck of cards." How does that not apply to any number of games that don't use a shared deck, for example Dominion (card game)? That has expansion sets too. How about changing "has" to "owns"? Maybe "brings"? Something to indicate that the deck is prebuilt, not built during the game like Dominion. And merge in the "expandable" part into the definition sentence, that is, after all, the important part here.

Full review to come. --GRuban (talk) 21:39, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - No, sorry. I marked one quote failed verification. The line about "but the term "Non-Collectible Collectible Card Game" would not be practical." is not marked as a quote, but does not seem to be in that source either. Important bits of the article are sourced to Chaz Marler who seems to be the sole writer and publisher for Pair of Dice Paradise (well, with his very, very young daughter), which means it's a self-published source, so you need to show he is an acknowledged expert in the field in some way. We don't have an article about him, and he's not used as a source in any other Wikipedia articles - can you show he's an acknowledged expert, and not just a guy with a blog? I guess I'll grudgingly accept Roger Travis/Play the Past, since it boasts a large stable of people with PhDs ... but honestly, those PhDs are in various liberal arts fields, which are not quite in games, so even that one is marginal. In any case I recommend writing something like "games historian Roger Travis" at first use to at least explain something about why he is to be considered a reliable source.
• Neutral: - Not really. You mention Fantasy Flight Games as the sole publisher, and while I'm sure they're important, leaving out all the others is not neutral, even if they are by far the most important. That's sort of like writing about electric cars and only naming Tesla, or writing about search engines and only naming Google.
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - no, again. ALT1 is cited, but only to Marler. The original hook is backed by Play the Past, which I grudgingly accept as above, but that article doesn't say that about all or most ECGs in general, just about two or three of them specifically.
• Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: As above, "ECGs are card games where each player has their own deck of cards.", which I see both in the lede and in Characteristics, is not really an accurate definition, because it leaves out the "expandable" part. (Jerry Seinfeld had a line about that. ) All this is hopefully fixable. Good luck! GRuban (talk) 05:11, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Piotrus: Just noting that this is two months old so technically qualifies for WP:DYKTIMEOUT; it doesn't feel fair to do that given that this has only just gotten a full review, but this should be dealt with urgently.--Launchballer 18:38, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@GRuban and GRuban: I've corrected the 'failed verification' quote - the source says "a game that breaks away", I shortened it to "breaking away" but sure, we can use the original wording. For showing that Chez Marler is more than just a guy who runs some random blog, see [1] - he is a professional in the field, involved with the leading website BoardGameGeek. He was also involved with another major media in the field, The Dice Tower [2], and Watch it Played (covered for several paragaphs by SaltWire Network [3]). So I think he passes as an expert in the field (non-academic but professional and respected by his peers). I've also added the word 'customizable' to the lead (as to not repeat 'expandable'). I hope this addresses your concerns I'd also like to note that the level of concerns raised above, while appreciated, seems to be more at the WP:GAR level than what I'd expect from a WP:DYK. PS. I've also added a ref mentioned of another company and a non-FFG game. Note this article is not intended to be comprehensive, since this is not a GA/FA level writeup. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:03, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Hah! (Or, I should say, thank you, thank you, since I was addressed twice.) If you think those nitpicks are GA/FA level, I want you to be my GA reviewer! If I were looking for Wikipedia:Good article criteria such as Well Written, I would point out that

• the quote you corrected, a "a game that breaks away out of CCGs has two leading "a" articles and no closing quotation mark. I corrected that one for you.
• "Some of games occasionally classified as ECGs" was, instead, missing an article. (Law of conservation of articles?) Also corrected.
• that you still didn't give the reader any explanation why Roger Travis's opinion matters, despite my suggestion. Also corrected. I'll similarly write a few qualifying words introducing John Jackson Miller though those are less necessary as he has a linked article.
• That your quote but the term "Non-Collectible Collectible Card Game" would not be practical also does not seem to appear in the source, as I mentioned. Removed.
• That the sentence "The genre has been popularized by the American game company Final Fantasy Games" in the last section was simply wrong, there is no such company. I'm correcting it to Fantasy Flight Games, as all the other mentions (but see the next point!).
• That the article is repetitive and/or redundant in places, such as:
  • that it mentions Final Fantasy Games in three places besides the lede: (Expandable Card Games vs Collectible Card Games, History, and Notes) leaving the reader to read all three of them together to infer that FFG is the main ECG company. (And still not to be sure whether it originated the genre, or merely formalized the genre, or merely became the main company in the genre after it was originated or formalized...? Consider that another suggestion to fulfill or ignore as you see fit.)
  • "these games are very similar to CCGs and can be seen as their subset" seems redundant with "the genre has been inspired by CCGs"
  • linked/redlinked names of games are dropped seemingly at random rather than in any organized way, for example
  • " One of FFGs most popular titles was Android: Netrunner, which debuted in 2012; since 2019 it has been published by Null Signal Games and rebranded as an expandable card game." seems like it should live in the paragraph about "Some of the games occasionally classified as ECGs were meant to be traditional CCGs ... Some games have been converted into ECGs/LCGs from CCGs;" rather than History. If the intent was that Netrunner was a major point in ECG history, saying as much would be nice, otherwise it merely says it was a major point for FFG.

And of course it's not Comprehensive. But, yes, after explanations and tweaks this article does meet DYK. And it was fun to read. I did not know about ECGs before I read it, though have been playing Magic, and Dominion, and the board game version of Arkham Horror for years, and having been aware of Yugioh and Pokemon. Thank you for writing it, it is a worthwhile contribution to the Wikipedia.

Approving ALT2, as suggested by User:Cloventt and accepted by nominator, "... that expandable card games is a generic alternative for the trademarked term 'living card games'?". Honestly, I'd recommend something between that and the already similar ALT1 by the nominator, say ALT3 "... that expandable card game is a generic alternative for the trademarked more popular term 'living card game'?" but I'd imagine I'm not supposed to both make up my own hook and approve it, and User:Launchballer is very clear that we do not have time to look for yet another reviewer! --GRuban (talk) 15:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Piotrus, GRuban, and Launchballer: something about ALT2 seems ungrammatical, I think it's the "expendable card games is" bit. How should this be fixed? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:04, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I'd depluralise 'games'.--Launchballer 15:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Tbh, I don't even know if it's interesting in the first place. "Did you know that this term is used because it isn't trademarked?" No, but I can't imagine anyone much cares. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:48, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

That's why I added "more popular" in my suggestion. But in the end, there are people who like games, and there are people who don't. For me, and, I suspect, many of us, it would be very hard to get an article about games on the front page that I wouldn't read. However, it is similarly hard to imagine a link about a football player that I would care about. I could read "...that Joe Bloggs, half-quarter-centerback for the Walla Walla Warmongers has been universally agreed to be the second coming of the messiah?" and say "meh". --GRuban (talk) 17:02, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

The current lead entry in DYK is "... that heavy-metal guitarist Kiki Wong (pictured) played drums for Taylor Swift before joining the Smashing Pumpkins?", which seems very boring to me. That a musician played for a band? Really? Shocking. And yet thousands of people interested in music are clicking on it right now. Now if you want to read a DYK nomination with an truly interesting hook, may I disingenuously suggest... --GRuban (talk) 17:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I wouldn't have accepted that Kiki Wong hook myself (although so far it's the fourth most viewed hook of the month?!?), and other stuff exists.--Launchballer 00:37, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

"Other stuff exists" is an argument to avoid in a deletion discussion. This is not that. This is a Did you know hook, the point of which is to draw attention to the article, and you have just proven that on an inherently interesting subject, a mediocre hook will do fine. That said, if you have a better idea please do suggest it! --GRuban (talk) 20:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Indeed. I find plenty of hooks boring, including many passed by you - not because it is your fault, but because I find their subject matter uninteresting. For example, I care little about sports or music, unlike most folks. But I find gaming and legal issues interesting, and for me, the proposed hook is very interesting. And there are others, like GRuban. So please, less subjectivity. No hook will appeal to all. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:55, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 26

Culinary Class Wars

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Senior judge Paik Jong-won is a celebrity chef in Korea.

• ... that the judges of the Culinary Class Wars (pictured) were blindfolded and spoon-fed?

• Source: The blind taste test in which two grown men in three-piece suits are blindfolded and spoon-fed is hilarious. It must be nerve-racking for the judges too, surrending to whatever goes into their mouths.

ALT1 ... that the judges of the Culinary Class Wars suffered from over-eating but judge Paik Jong-won (pictured) still ate his packed lunch too?

• Source: They suffered from being so full all the time on the show because of tasting everything, but what was truly amazing to witness was Mr. Paik eating dosirak (packed meal) off-camera, after judging!

ALT2 ... that the dishes in the Culinary Class Wars were discarded after judging to prevent others from tasting them and disagreeing with the judges? (pictured)

• Source: Neither the contestants nor the production crew were allowed even a morsel of the leftovers for fear that they might have differing opinions about the dishes that had been evaluated by the judges, which could potentially cause conflict on the set.

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Magic (play)
  • Comment: There's some clean-up to do now the first season has finished but it's time to make a start

Created by Andrew Davidson (talk) and Windershaker (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 131 past nominations.

Andrew🐉(talk) 20:52, 2 October 2024 (UTC).

• At the time of nomination the article was exactly 7 days old (which fits I guess), and the length seems to fit standard. There are some good English sources and a lot of Korean coverage, so I don't doubt that this is notable. Earwig says no copyvios, but the article is a bit messy. (Why does the "endless cooking hell" section have nothing in it, for one?) Most importantly, the hook is also little bit vague, and I don't think it would capture much attention. Good day, Wuju Daisuki ^{(Talk? 뭐 그까이꺼 대충!)} 17:11, 3 October 2024 (UTC)

• The show was released in three installments and the first season has finished now. The article has been fleshed out to complete details of all the rounds. I'm doing some further clean-up and completion. More anon. Andrew🐉(talk) 13:47, 12 October 2024 (UTC)
• @Wuju Daisuki: The article has been expanded and I've added an ALT hook for your consideration, please. It works well with the picture, I reckon. Andrew🐉(talk) 09:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• @Wuju Daisuki: Have your concerns been resolved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 23:14, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

* @Z1720: The article looks in better shape now, but the alt you provided is not well written, nor would it be very interesting if it was. Good day, Wuju Daisuki ^{(Talk? 뭐 그까이꺼 대충!)} 02:22, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

• @Z1720: Thanks to Z1720 for taking an interest. I'm not understanding Wuju Daisuki's objections to the ALT1 hook, which seems fine to me. Maybe we just have different tastes. To help avoid an impasse and establish a consensus, please could Z1720 say what they think of the hooks? Andrew🐉(talk) 10:38, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

• @Andrew Davidson: My opinion is that I am confused by ALT1 because I do not know who Paik Jong-won is. After looking at the image caption and clicking on Jong-won's link I was able to piece together that he is a judge, but it takes too long for me to understand the hook. I like ALT0 more because it is succinct and understandable. If the image is going to be used, it needs to be included in the article. Z1720 (talk) 11:36, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

• Thanks for the feedback. I'm still content with ALT0 too but will mull over ALT1 to see if it can be made clearer. More anon. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:33, 31 October 2024 (UTC)

• @Wuju Daisuki and Z1720: I have amended the wording of ALT1 and added an ALT2 hook for your consideration, please. Andrew🐉(talk) 21:17, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

Straight away you'll need a better source for ALT2 per WP:FORBESCON. I'll assess the rest of this when I'm less sleepy.--Launchballer 22:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Okay, so ALT2 is currently unusable per above, but ALT1 is unencyclopedic and has been cut from the article and ALT0 would require an end-of-sentence citation. Also, as written this would deserve {{overly detailed}} and much of this needs to go.--Launchballer 12:01, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson, Windershaker, and Wuju Daisuki: Apologies, thought I'd pinged.--Launchballer 14:15, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@Andrew Davidson and Windershaker: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 13:47, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

• @Andrew Davidson and Windershaker: The nomination will be timing out on December 2nd so please address any remaining concerns before then. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:32, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

  No need to let this drag on as long as that if the nominators aren't returning. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:24, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

  I've responded repeatedly to this, suggesting ALTs and tweaking them. But the editors on the reviewing side have not been consistent and so we have "too many cooks". It might help if we hear again from the original reviewer, @Wuju Daisuki:, as they seem to have some knowledge of Korean culture. Andrew🐉(talk) 12:25, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Wuju Daisuki hasn't edited in over a week and this nomination in nearly a month (it had been more than a week at the time I took over). This isn't so much "too many cooks" as "the previous cook's gone" (and you shouldn't need knowledge of Korean culture to understand this). Also, this edit introduced at least two unreliable sources and unencyclopedic content and none of my concerns from 14 November have been resolved.--Launchballer 00:56, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on September 28

Old City of Gaza, Old City of Nablus

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Church of Saint Porphyrius and the Katib al-Wilaya Mosque

• ... that both the Old City of Gaza (pictured) and the Old City of Nablus have been repeatedly damaged by Israeli invasion and bombardment?

• Source: Awad, Jihad (2017-01-15). "Conserving the Palestinian Architectural Heritage". International Journal of Heritage Architecture: Studies, Repairs and Maintenance. 1 (3): 454. doi:10.2495/ha-v1-n3-451-460. ISSN 2058-833X. The old city of Nablus has suffered, probably more than any other Palestinian city, from the massive invasion by Israeli forces during the second uprising which started in 2000. Many restoration projects were previously completed by the municipality but unfortunately destroyed by the Israeli bombing of the old city. Many buildings were heavily damaged by Israeli rockets during April 2002. A project was carried out by UNDP and funded by the Japanese government to rebuild the houses. Then in December of 2003, many houses were again damaged during Israeli military activity. This kept recurring: buildings were repaired and then damaged.
  Mraffko, Clothilde; Forey, Samuel (2024-02-14). "Israeli bombs are wiping out Gaza's heritage and history". Le Monde.fr. Retrieved 2024-09-29. Whether the Israelis act intentionally or not, "the result is effectively the erasure of a heritage and a history. Symbolically, this is important because this is one of the ways in which people are attached to their territory," warned Benoît Tadié, former cultural adviser to the French consulate general in Jerusalem between 2009 and 2013. He takes as an example the Old City of Gaza, which, like much of the north of the enclave, is now a vast field of ruins. "It wasn't just a site, it was also the heart of today's city. The hammam and the Pacha's Palace were extremely popular places. The museum also served as a place of education for schoolchildren," explained Tadié.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Abdul Ahad Azad and Template:Did you know nominations/Sun Jianai

Created by Onceinawhile (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. Nominator has 80 past nominations.

Onceinawhile (talk) 09:57, 29 September 2024 (UTC).

• @Onceinawhile: Not a review, but there are massive amounts of unsourced content in both articles and "International Journal of Heritage Architecture: Studies, Repairs and Maintence" is coming up as deprecated/predatory on WP:UPSD. What makes it reliable?--Launchballer 22:24, 29 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Launchballer. All the sources are in the bibliography - let me add in-line citations throughout where they have been missed. I will confirm when done.

On the Jihad Awad source, I am confident that it is reliable - Professor Awad is full professor of architecture, currently head of architecture department at Ajman University, and this paper (a conference submission) is cited in his official University biography page. He subsequently published an article covering a similar topic here. The statement is not difficult to source elsewhere if needed. Onceinawhile (talk) 20:05, 30 September 2024 (UTC)

Fine by me. Full review needed.--Launchballer 03:19, 2 October 2024 (UTC)

WIT Press conferences are scams. That source must absolutely be replaced. Headbomb {t · c · p · b} 00:34, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

@Onceinawhile: Please address the above.--Launchballer 00:18, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

Launchballer thank you for bringing this to my attention. I have removed the source referred to above and replaced it with this: Abujidi, Nurhan; Verschure, Han (2006-07-01). "Military Occupation as Urbicide by Construction and Destruction: The Case of Nablus, Palestine". The Arab World Geographer. 9 (2). Allen Press: 206. ISSN 1480-6800. Given the large number of frequent Israeli army invasions of the Old Town, the so called Operation Defensive Shield in April 2002 is considered the heaviest single operation. It caused damage to 47.5% of the housing blocks that structure the Old Town's urban fabric… During other invasions, a shift in the mechanism and location of destruction is evident. Highly focused, limited-scale demolitions targeting specific sections of the city were identified. The size and scale of destruction are not always determined by the type of invasion. For example, the scale of destruction resulting from the overnight incursion of January 2005 was larger than that of the short-term invasion of January 2004, which lasted 10 days. Moreover, a repeated rhythm in invading and destroying the same buildings during the several invasions was registered over the past four years, with each invasion accompanied by destruction, looting, and vandalism.

Onceinawhile (talk) 23:02, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

That's fine. I still see unsourced content in both the articles though.--Launchballer 11:53, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Launchballer: I added the remaining sources. Both articles are ready for a full review.Onceinawhile (talk) 14:27, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

You're just in time, I was about to mark this for closure! I will review this within the next 24 hours.--Launchballer 14:28, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Long enough, new enough. I don't see any reason why this might deserve a maintenance template, and the hook checks out and the QPQ is done. This is fine, although I would invite promoters to read Wikipedia talk:Did you know/Archive 203#Negative Israel hooks.--Launchballer 11:30, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

@Onceinawhile, Launchballer, AirshipJungleman29, Gatoclass, and Chipmunkdavis: I've reopened this following discussion at [4] there was a bit of disagreement, but IMHO the article does not satisfy WP:DYKCOMPLETE, and CMD notes that the hook fact is not directly mentioned either.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:11, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Amakuru: understood and thanks for this. I agree with you, and was thinking about this history section when drafting and reviewing. From memory, the chosen areas of history followed the Arabic article versions. It's a difficult balance, faced by all our Old City and Historic district articles, as we don't want to duplicate the entire pre-modern history section of the much more fulsome main articles. Most such articles provide a light overview of the history, and instead focus on the cultural and architectural legacy.

I will have a go at building out - grateful for your comments. Onceinawhile (talk) 07:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

@Onceinawhile: thanks. I do know what you mean... It's tricky to know how to balance content across intertwined topics. In theory each article is standalone, but we don't want redundancy all the same. A broad-bush overview of the major points across the centuries would be sufficient here anyway. Cheers  — Amakuru (talk) 08:08, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

@Onceinawhile: The nomination has already timed out as of today, so if the issues can't be addressed promptly then unfortunately the nomination will be closed as unsuccessful. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:02, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Narutolovehinata5: thanks for the ping. I finished Amakuru’s suggested improvements at Old City of Gaza two days ago, and have just finished at Old City of Nablus. Perhaps Amakuru could take a quick look and confirm if any further comments or changes are needed? Onceinawhile (talk) 09:00, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 3

Light Weight Air Warning Radar

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LW/AW Mark 1A

• ... that the Australian Light Weight Air Warning Radar was designed to break down into waterproof containers that fit in the Douglas DC-2, were taken ashore from a trawler in canoes, and in one case manpacked up 200 foot cliffs? Source: Minnett and Briton both detail the waterproof aspect and DC-2, Minnett relates it being brought ashore by canoe and quotes the cliffs
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sanjna

Created by Maury Markowitz (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 201 past nominations.

Maury Markowitz (talk) 13:47, 3 October 2024 (UTC).

• The hook needs to be shortened as it is over 200 characters. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:53, 7 November 2024 (UTC)
• ALT1: that the Australian Light Weight Air Warning Radar was designed to break down into waterproof containers that could be taken ashore from a trawler in canoes, and manpacked up 200 foot cliffs?Source: Minnett and Briton both detail the waterproof aspect, Minnett relates it being brought ashore by canoe and quotes the cliffs Shortened version suggested. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:42, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  ALT1 has so much detail, that it tells the whole story and gives me no reason to click the link to read more. I recommend something much shorter. Flibirigit (talk) 02:02, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

   Reviewing... Will do a full review for this within two days. Flibirigit (talk) 04:45, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - ?
• Interesting: - ?

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: - ?
Overall: Article was created on October 3, and nominated the same day. Length and sourcing are adequate. I am stil reviewing the article for neutrality, and have no yet decided. I found no plagiarism concerns. I note that this Earwig result highlights proper nouns and a properly attributed quote. The original hook was far too long. ALT1 is not hooky as per my above comment. The nominated image is clear at a low resolution, and used in the aticle. Depending on a reworded hook, it may or may not improve the hook. I also note that File:Mark 1A Light Weight Air Warning Radar. 6091121.jpg has already appeared in the picture slot of DYK on Wikipedia:Recent_additions/2018/November#9_November_2018. The QPQ requirement is insufficient since it only commented on eligibility, and was not a full review of all DYK criteria as per WP:DYKRR. Please provide a complete review for QPQ. Flibirigit (talk) 15:25, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@Flibirigit: Let me know when you have decided. Maury Markowitz (talk) 15:36, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Fort clarity, I do not expect any neutrality issues but I have not completely read the article. I shold have that completed by tomorrow. My primary concerns are the hook and QPQ. Flibirigit (talk) 19:21, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I did some minor copyediting, and no neutrality concerns noted. Please see above comments for the hooks and QPQ. Thanks for this nomination! Flibirigit (talk) 22:43, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@Maury Markowitz: Are the above concerns resolved, as is this ready for re-review? Z1720 (talk) 15:35, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

No, it's not ready. No hooks have been proposed, and no valid QPQ has been supplied. I will continue my review when those are ready. Flibirigit (talk) 17:13, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

ALT2 ... that the Australian Light Weight Air Warning Radar system was developed as a portable system to be quickly delivered to forward airfields? A possible hook; if you like it, Maury Markowitz (talk) or someone else would need to check and cite the sources (probably Minnett, but I can't access it to do this). Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 14:48, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

The new hook looks promising. We still need a valid QPQ. Flibirigit (talk) 16:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

I have done another QPQ for Template:Did you know nominations/Oh My Mother!. Strongly prefer ALT1, and I'm at a loss why someone might not read an article because the hook is too interesting. I am dealing with my parent's wills for the next little while, so if immediate attention is needed, just close the nom. Maury Markowitz (talk) 20:13, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

ALT1 has been struck because it is too long. Flibirigit (talk) 01:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

ALT2 is the best hook of those proposed. But where exactly is it cited? It seems to be a summary of several sentences throughout the article. Each of which would need a citation at the end as per WP:DYKCRIT. I remain open to other hooks being proposed. Flibirigit (talk) 16:27, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Can you be more specific about the issue with ALT1? It meets all the requirements and is directly cited. You note it "gives me no reason to click the link to read more", but I would say it is precisely the opposite. Having written a similar hook for the Type 6, which got a surprisingly large number of views especially it was near the bottom of the DYK list, I'd like something more to work with. Maury Markowitz (talk) 23:34, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

ALT1 is too long since it tells the whole story, and gives the reader no incentive to look at the article. It tells the reader why the radar was designed, how it was packed and moved, and where it was used. That's essentially the whole story, and does not hook the read into wanting to know more. Ideal hooks are short and snappy. A better hook would omit some of the facts and leave the reader wanting to know the rest, such as how or why. Please see WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE. Best wishes. Flibirigit (talk) 02:12, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 5

Hermance Edan

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• ... that the board game that would become Stratego was designed by a 57-year-old woman with no previous professional game design experience?

• Source: French Patent office, Brevet n° 396.795

• ALT1: ... that little is known of Hermance Edan before she patented her first board game in 1908, at the age of 57? Source: French Patent office, Brevet n° 396.795
• ALT2: ... that L'Attaque, the board game that became Stratego, was patented in 1908 by its designer, a 57-year-old woman? Source: French Patent office, Brevet n° 396.795 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Farrest (talk • contribs) 05:06, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

Personman (talk) 23:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

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  • Comment: I translated this article from the French, so the references in the article may need some work, but Edan's age at the time of her patent seems well-attested. Thanks for your consideration!

Created by Farrest (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Farrest (talk) 20:41, 5 October 2024 (UTC).

• Article is long, new, and presentable enough, and as well-cited as a figure this obscure can be. The hook cites a reliable source and is quite interesting, as "board game designer" was an extremely rare profession in 1908, and dramatically more so for a single 57-year-old woman. I might like it if the hook included both game names, though — perhaps "... that L'Attaque, the board game that became Stratego, was patented in 1908 by a 57-year-old woman?" Personman (talk) 04:21, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  I like this wording, and I've added it above as "Alt2". Thanks! Farrest (talk) 05:10, 6 October 2024 (UTC)

  Some citations are needed in the article Farrest. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 00:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

  Thanks, AirshipJungleman29. I've found and added attributions for the two "citation needed" sentences that the original French version had left uncited – the variant games and her record of death. Farrest (talk) 05:13, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

How about this reworking?

• ALT0a: ... that Hermance Edan designed the board game that would become Stratego without any professional game development experience?

theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:01, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• Hmm, your version flows better as a sentence than my original ALT0, but what interested and inspired me when I came across the French article was Edan's gender and her age when she designed the game (especially given the time), so I think it would be more compelling if those facts were included in the hook... what do you think of ALT2, or something like it? Farrest (talk) 04:55, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

  My preference would be for ALT2 or ALT. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

• @Personman: As the original reviewer, can you check to see that the ALTs are approved and that this article is ready for DYK? Thanks, Z1720 (talk) 15:40, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Needs a new reviewer for the ALTs. Z1720 (talk) 13:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Z1720: Oh, sorry it wasn't clear — ALT2 is ready to go! Personman (talk) 16:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

@Personman: Can you add a green DYK tick below so that the DYKbot moves this to the Approved list? Z1720 (talk) 17:43, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

@Z1720: Done! Personman (talk) 23:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

The article has two citation needed tags and boardgamegeek is user edited. The tags have been there for a while now. SL93 (talk) 01:49, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry that I missed that new citation needed tags were added since my last post here! I have now resolved all of them with citations, I believe. Hopefully this will suffice to move things forward? (Specifically, I removed the Boardgamegeek citations (the sentences in question were cited by other more credible sources anyway), found a reliable citation for the exhibition at the Concours Lépine, and reformatted the citation for the second-to-last paragraph.) Farrest (talk) 08:18, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 6

ZIZ

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• ... that a 1962 calypso song commemorated the relaunch of Saint Kitts and Nevis radio station ZIZ?

• Source: Daniel, Morven I. Alecia (2001-04-12). American Neocolonialism? The Impact of United States Cable Television on the Culture of St. Kitts (Thesis). Carleton University/National Library of Canada. pp. 71–72. ISBN 0-612-61320-8. Retrieved 2024-10-08 – via Library and Archives Canada.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Typhoon Virginia (1957)
• Comment: It all started last weekend when I Googled up "Caribbean broadcasting call signs" while browsing results for various regional TV stations on a whim. A GBooks result offered a tidbit on an entity called VP2LO, a shortwave outlet that in the years ahead evolved into the Kittitian national broadcaster--a topic I broke ground on back in my early days on WP. (I was lucky to save it from A7 during its December 2007 launch--barely.) Face it, WP is still in dire need of better and more extensive coverage on Caribbean media.

Apologies if I used a thesis here, but regrettably, it's the only source mentioning this factoid--anywhere--as far as Google's aware (WP:AGF). Meanwhile, as I type, Doc Taxon at WP:RX has been taking care of the last three bits we need to get this finished.

First of two DYK candidates of mine before Milton approaches my home area; see you in another couple of hours with the next one.

P.S. Wonder if there are any established editors from Saint Kitts and Nevis itself? (I myself hail from Dominica.)

P.P.S. As always, special greetings to Barbados' CaribDigita (talk · contribs) and Trinidad's Guettarda (talk · contribs)--along with SafariScribe (talk · contribs), who approved one of my recent go-rounds at AFC, The Right and the Wrong.

5x expanded by Slgrandson (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 23:52, 8 October 2024 (UTC).

• Starting review...
• Article is long enough.
• DYK Check is claiming that the 5x requirement is not met. Slgrandson could you walk me through the details of when you began and finish the 5x expansion?
  • From October 4 till October 9. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 23:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
    • OK, that works. I don't know why DYKCheck couldn't figure it out. RoySmith (talk) 23:25, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
• QPQ supplied, although based on recent discussions, some might not consider it a full review.
• Sourcing generally appears fine with WP:RS (except see below) and appropriate in-line citations.
• Earwig doesn't call out any copyvio problems.
• TIL the word "calypsonian"
• Hook fact is mentioned in the article, but I'm not sure we can accept the source. WP:SCHOLARSHIP says Masters dissertations and theses are considered reliable only if they can be shown to have had significant scholarly influence. Can that be shown for this thesis? If not, then we'll need a different hook. RoySmith (talk) 02:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)
  • ALT1: ... that after two decades off the air, former Saint Kitts and Nevis shortwave station ZIZ was revived as an AM service in 1961? Sources: Inniss, Sir Probyn (1979). Historic Basseterre: The Story of Its Growth. Basseterre, Saint Kitts: Self-published. p. 63. OCLC 10695770. / Great Britain Foreign and Commonwealth Office (1966). "Broadcasting". St. Kitts-Nevis-Anguilla: Report for the Years 1959–1962. His Majesty's Stationery Office (HMSO). p. 63. Retrieved 2024-11-14 – via Google Books. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 23:12, 14 November 2024 (UTC)
    • The problem here is that's a WP:SPS, so we're still looking for a reliably sourced hook. RoySmith (talk) 23:26, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Slgrandson: Please address the above.--Launchballer 12:18, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

ALT2: ... that Saint Kitts and Nevis' political opposition has viewed national broadcaster ZIZ as a government mouthpiece? Source: Veenendaal, Wouter (2015) [17 October 2014]. "The Federation of St. Kitts and Nevis: politics or politricks?". Politics and Democracy in Microstates. Routledge. p. pos. 148. ISBN 978-1-317-64657-0. Archived from the original on 5 October 2024. Retrieved 2024-11-22 – via Google Books. --Slgrandson (How's my egg-throwing coleslaw?) 20:57, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 7

LaTasha Barnes

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• ... that one of the most popular places to learn swing dance and lindy hop is in Malmo, Sweden?

• Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herr%C3%A4ng_Dance_Camp

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/10/arts/dance/lindy-hop-herrang-norma-miller.html

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Created by Wroliver (talk).

Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Wroliver (talk) 18:17, 7 October 2024 (UTC).

• Hi Wroliver, the article says onyl that the "Herrang Dance Camp is one of the most popular places in Europe to learn swing dance and Lindy Hop" and is sourced to its Wikipedia article. This wouldn't be acceptable and would need an independent source. Additionally it doesn't seem to have much to do with the subject of the article LaTasha Barnes, a hook focussing on her would be preferred. Finally, the article has been tagged for promotional tone and unclear citations that needs resolving before it can be posted - Dumelow (talk) 09:38, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Wroliver, just a reminder on this. If I don't hear back in the next couple of days I will close the nomination as unsuccessful. All the best - Dumelow (talk) 21:18, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I'd propose ALT1: ... that jazz dancer LaTasha Barnes used to be a sergeant in the U.S. Army? Sdkb ^talk 05:29, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Marking for closure as article continues to have significant citation issues. It has also been tagged for promotional content - Dumelow (talk) 08:40, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Wroliver has requested to keep this open for another day or so. There is significant work to be done here to address the tags on the article though - Dumelow (talk) 22:56, 28 October 2024 (UTC)

Alt DYK proposed for LaTasha Barnes article: DYK that dancer/choreographer LaTasha Barnes began her career as a sergeant in the U.S. Army?

Note: I have made some revisions to the article to address concerns mentioned, including removing the Wikipedia reference and replacing it with a better reference. I've attempted to keep a neutral tone throughout, and changed some of the language for that purpose. Please let me know if any other changes are needed.Wroliver (talk) 21:31, 29 October 2024 (UTC) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTasha_Barnes

Hi Wroliver, thanks for getting back to me. I have been through "Early years" and "Performing career" and noted a few bits that are not supported by the sources cited. Can you look to resolve these and any other similar parts of the article before I continue the review - Dumelow (talk) 10:43, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

I've also tagged a sentence copied verbatim from the cited source. Please address this and also any other similar instances, we cannot violate copyright in this way - Dumelow (talk) 10:49, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Wroliver, further to your message on my talk page I have looked at the next section "Cultural Ambassador and Educator". Again it is full of statements not supported by the source cited or where better sources are needed. Can you please address these and look at the remaining two sections to check for similar issues. It is very frustrating to have to go through this article line by line. It is basic policy here that anything stated in the article should be supported by the source - Dumelow (talk) 08:25, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

@Wroliver: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 14:53, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I see my comments have been addressed for the "Cultural Ambassador and Educator". Can you please confirm you have checked the final two sections of the article for similar issues (including that everything stated is backed up by the source cited) ; it is very frustrating to go through it line by line to find the same issue repeated - Dumelow (talk) 15:48, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Wroliver:, further to your message on my talk page saying you have checked the last two paragraphs I have started to take a look. The first sentence I checked was "All of her experiences as a performer as well as her academic work for her thesis have served as important precursors to her current show, The Jazz Continuum, an "ongoing project to close the gap between contemporary Black dances and their predecessors."" This includes some specific claims and a direct quote, but nothing to support it appears in the source cited which is just a list of the "top 5" shows on the stage at a given time. It is fairly basic stuff to make sure that everything stated in the article is supported by the work cited. I am not going to waste time checking the rest of the article. Please carefully review it and check that everything is supported properly - Dumelow (talk) 11:53, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@Wroliver:, scratch that. It was a error with the url in the ref cited that was redirecting it to a different article. I'll look over it now - Dumelow (talk) 11:57, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@Wroliver:. I've flagged a citation needed for her bachelors degrees, for her 2021 Bessie award and a better source needed for the stuff cited to Broadway World (which is listed at WP:RSP as "generally unreliable"). Other than that should be OK - Dumelow (talk) 12:36, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@Wroliver: has made changes to the sources and ALT1 should be good to go. I don't have an NYT subscription so AGF on sourcing, I amended the hook slightly to say "used to be a sergeant" rather than "began her career as a sergeant" as that could be interpreted as her having skipped the more junior ranks - Dumelow (talk) 16:14, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

• Was looking at promoting this, but there continues to be quite a bit of fluff and promotional language.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Hi Wroliver, I'm going to respond here so that the discussion remains centralized. I have concern that some of the language is a bit overly promotional, such as "Barnes began a collaboration with Caleb Teicher & Friends, which eventually resulted in the 2021 show "Swing Out," currently touring the U.S." (cited to a primary source), "While Barnes continues to perform with many different people in a variety of venues, she is also an educator who explains the key role of African Americans in developing African diasporic dance forms including hip hop, swing dance, and jazz dance." and "Barnes has taken on some of the responsibility for keeping the history of vernacular Black dance forms alive," (phrasing is fluffy, rather promotional). The tone overall seems very informal, rather than the formal tone preferred for Wikipedia.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 18:19, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello Chris, I believe that I've fixed the problems you noted yesterday, but let me know if not. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaTasha_Barnes Thanks very much, Wroliver (talk) 16:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• Hi Wroliver, reinstating tick.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 00:07, 20 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Still promotional in my opinion, with unnecessary verbosity especially present in the "Educator", "The Jazz Continuum", and the "Awards and Achievements" sections. I will not be putting this in a queue in its current state. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:13, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Dear AirshipJungleman29, I would appreciate knowing more about this DYK process, since this is my first time doing an article and doing DYK. How many folks need to give approval to the article before it moves ahead? I've already made changes requested by 2 people. It would help me make a decision about whether to keep working on this or not to know how many more times I will need to respond to feedback. Thanks very much, 192.65.213.200 (talk) 15:38, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Assuming that this is Wroliver editing while logged-out, every nomination needs at least two approvals from the nominator and promoter; if a nomination has problems, more approvals might be needed. In this case, Dumelow was the reviewer, then Chris came along to promote this but found problems, and then I came along to promote it but found problems. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:48, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification. I have a question: is it considered "promotional" when I present positive statements by dance reviewers? It is their job to give an opinion, and also describe the nature of a dance or performance. I'd like to be able to convey their ideas in the article if possible, since these types of reviews are the part of the evidence that artists deserve the awards and honors that they have received. In addition, these descriptions give readers an idea of what the work looks like, which is an important element in learning about different dance companies, choreographers, and styles. Thanks, Wroliver (talk) 20:28, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

In short, concise descriptions or quotations are okay, but lengthy effusive quotations are not, and are potentially a copyright violation as well. The Parker and Burke paragraphs in "The Jazz Continuum" are especially problematic. This is not a DYK criterion, but a Wikipedia policy—that of neutrality. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 13:41, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

OK, thanks for the clarification. I will work on it today. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wroliver (talk • contribs) 18:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello AirshipJungleman29, I hope I've addressed all your concerns within the article. I've removed some quotations and shortened others, and tried to keep everything neutral. Please let me know if there are any further changes needed. Thanks, Wroliver (talk) 02:54, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

You had not, but I have now done so myself. Since I am now involved with the article, requesting a new reviewer. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:25, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Sequenza XIV

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• ... that Sequenza XIV for solo cello by Luciano Berio, in 2002 the last work in a series begun in 1958, was inspired by the artistry of Rohan de Saram including traditional Kandyan drumming? Source: [5]
  • Reviewed: to come
  • Comment: This is one of the key works of 21st-century classical music.

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2118 past nominations.

Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:59, 8 October 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: - ?
Overall: Hi Gerda Arendt, happy to do the DYK review. The article has a readable prose size of 4310 characters. It was created yesterday. Every paragraph in the body of the article is sourced. WP:EARWIG shows no copyright problems. QPQ has not yet been done. I have a minor quibble about the hook: it seems to me that it tries to convey too many individual facts. What about something simpler like

• ALT1: ...that Sequenza XIV was composed in 2002 as Luciano Berio's final work in his series begun in 1958?

or

• ALT2: ...that Sequenza XIV, composed for Rohan de Saram in 2002, is Luciano Berio's final work in his series begun in 1958? Phlsph7 (talk) 16:43, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for reviewing, and the suggestions. I reviewed Template:Did you know nominations/Mind. I believe that the one thing fascinating "Maestro Berio" (as he is called by the cellist) as well as the ordinary Main page reader is this drumming. We can rather do without the series if it's really too much. I can also imagine to improve the series article to make it a double hook. ALT1 is no option for me because some kind of reverence for the cellist (and drummer) was the motivation to write the article. Making him GA seemed harder ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:51, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Ah I see. If we want to go without the series, we could use something like

ALT3: ...that Sequenza XIV for solo cello by Luciano Berio was inspired by the childhood experiences of cellist Rohan de Saram with Kandyan drumming?

But I think your original suggestion also meets the DYK requirements so the decision may be more a matter of taste. Approved. Phlsph7(talk) 07:57, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I think that ALT3 is a bit smallish, - the childhood drumming is just part of the inspiration, the playing of one of the most inspiring cellists of all times should not be left out completely ;) - I learned of his death from a friend who is a cellist, and felt his enthusiasm remembering a live concert of Xenakis. Berio knew why he added to a series that had already been considered complete ("complete" recording in 1995), - it's an outstanding piece in every respect and deserves a little longer hook, imho. We can't use any of the pics, sadly, because de Saram's is not free, and Berio's is way too young for one of his last works. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:06, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

One last alternative if we want to go for the full package: what do you think about the following, a version of ALT0 copy-edited only for better flow:

ALT0a: ... that Sequenza XIV for solo cello by Luciano Berio, completed in 2002 as the last work in a series begun in 1958, was inspired by Rohan de Saram's artistry, including traditional Kandyan drumming?

Phlsph7 (talk) 10:31, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

I like it --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't think the hooks here would be very enticing to the average reader, but I won't object if someone else wants to promote it. Just noting a bit of queasiness. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:05, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Someone runs a series from 1958 to 2002, and you think that's not "enticing"? We have no room for that the series had been deemed complete in 1995, but someone made an exception. Someone plays cello and Indian drum, and you think that's not unusual? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:03, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

I think the part about completing a series started over 40 years earlier should be interesting to the average reader. Phlsph7 (talk) 09:13, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Completing a series of works over a long span of time is not unusual in classical music. The span of time between Shostakovich's first and last symphonies, for example, span the same number of years as that between the first and last of Berio's Sequenza. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:14, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

While interesting, ALT0a seems too unfocused (Phlsph7's original contention) to me as a promoter; is "for solo cello by Luciano Berio" necessary and could the rest be made more concise? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 14:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt, Phlsph7, Theleekycauldron, and CurryTime7-24: ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:31, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

"for solo cello" is needed, - it is a series of pieces for different solo instruments, and it seems necessary to know which one, and it's kind of quirky that such a common instrument as cello was missing in a series that had been thought complete almost a decade earlier. "solo" is needed because we can't assume that our readers already known that it's a series of works driving what one solo instrument can do to extremes. Rather drop the duration and let the readers be surprised why we don't mention it. The combination of classical cello and Asian drumming in one person is unusual and should come out.

* ... that Sequenza XIV was composed by Luciano Berio in 2002 for Rohan de Saram's cello playing and traditional Kandyan drumming?

People able to read Roman letters will know from the title that it is No. 16. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:45, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt and AirshipJungleman29: I think it's possible to have a more concisely worded hook that captures the spirit of ALT0a. Please allow me a couple of hours to give it a try. —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 20:14, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

• ALT0c: ... that cellist Rohan de Saram's background as a geta bera drummer inspired Luciano Berio's Sequenza XIV? —CurryTime7-24 (talk) 21:03, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 8

Diane Leather

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• ... that Diane Leather was the first woman to run a mile in under five minutes?

• Source: https://www.athleticsweekly.com/news/mile-legend-diane-leather-dies-1038762/

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Typhoon Thelma (1977)

5x expanded by Oldelpaso (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Oldelpaso (talk) 22:24, 14 October 2024 (UTC).

• Can we do better than this? If any woman has run the mile in under 5 minutes, someone had to be the first, and the hook doesn't provide any more information. (t · c) buidhe 23:51, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

Are you saying a world record isn't notable and/or hook worthy? Or are you asking for more context such as a link to Mile run world record progression? I was trying to keep the hook as succinct as possible. Oldelpaso (talk) 02:01, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Another issue is that the hook proposed is a "first" hook, which per WP:DYKHOOK usually needs exceptionally strong sourcing given the exceptional claim involved (how are we sure that no other woman before Leather ran a mile in under five minutes?) Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:21, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

The article includes cites describing her in those terms from the World Athletics website (the organisation that ratifies world records in the discipline, formerly known as the IAAF)[6], the BBC [7], Guardian [8], NYT [9], Washington Post [10] and others. Oldelpaso (talk) 21:37, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

I could work in some reference to Roger Bannister in the hook, as his far more well-known first sub-four minute mile occurred the same month and thus they are frequently compared, but I'd rather not. It was how overlooked Leather's achievement was compared to the male equivalent that prompted me to expand the article in the first place! Oldelpaso (talk) 21:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• ... ALT1 ... that Diane Leather's records for the mile in 1953 and 1954 were labelled "world best" rather than "world record" because the distance was not officially recognised for women until 1967? @Oldelpaso, Narutolovehinata5, and Buidhe: See source here. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 00:32, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

A bit of a late comment, but ALT1 is probably a lot better because it's not a "first" hook and is thus more likely to be accurate. Plus it's also arguably more intriguing than a simple "first" hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:16, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

• I'm not seeing the hook fact in the quoted source. I didn't see the phrase "World best" at all on the cited page. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

@Oldelpaso: Please address the above. For the record, I'd truncate ALT1 at "world record".--Launchballer 00:58, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 9

Musa al-Gharbi

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• ... that Musa al-Gharbi has argued since the 2016 election of Donald Trump that media outlets including The New York Times opinion page and MSNBC have failed to understand his supporters?

• Source: "For the past four years, Al-Gharbi tried to tell anyone who would listen that Trump supporters did not in fact fit the sociological profile offered on The New York Times opinion page or on MSNBC’s nightly pearl-clutching roundtables." Tablet

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/School lunch in Japan
• Comment: A bit late of a nomination. Thank you Oganguly for your help! I would like this to run on 6 November, the day after the US Presidential election.

Created by Thriley (talk) and Oganguly (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 148 past nominations.

Thriley (talk) 07:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC).

• Comment: Thank you Thriley, for this. I will post a detailed review tomorrow. _Regards, Aafi ^(talk) 18:02, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

  Hi Thriley, Here follows the review:

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - ?

QPQ: Done.

Overall: _Regards, Aafi ^(talk) 15:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Although all checks are okay, I am not happy with how the proposed hook is worded? 183 characters is quite close to 200. Could you please suggest a few more hooks? _Regards, Aafi ^(talk) 15:57, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@Thriley: Please address the above.--Launchballer 12:20, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

@Aafi: is there something wrong with the hook aside from its length? Thriley (talk) 17:01, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

At a glance, I'd lose "including The New York Times opinion page and MSNBC" and "since the 2016 election of Donald Trump" for concision, obviously replacing "his" with "Donald Trump's". (I wouldn't wikilink "his supporters" per MOS:EGG.)--Launchballer 21:26, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 12

Ragnvi Torslow

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• ... that Ragnvi Torslow, a five-time Swedish figure skating champion in 1920s went on to be one of the founders of the Bilkåren voluntary defence corps, training 3000 women to drive during World War II?

• Source: https://www.skbl.se/en/article/RagnviTorslowLundgren

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Created by MumphingSquirrel (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

MumphingSquirrel (talk) 18:19, 13 October 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Good to go! New enough, long enough. AGF on the Swedish references, but they do appear to be reliable. Nothing on Earwig, which isn't a surprise given that the main sources are in a foreign language. Looking at Google Translate I don't see any issues.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 23:17, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@MumphingSquirrel, Crisco 1492, and AirshipJungleman29: reopening this following discussion at [11] I'm reopening this nomination. If the nomination is to proceed, the article will need some work to avoid WP:Close paraphrasing and reliance on a single source issues.  — Amakuru (talk) 21:15, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 13

Elin Falk

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Elin Falk

• ... that Elin Falk revolutionised the teaching of gymnastics in Swedish schools in the early twentieth century?

• Source: https://skbl.se/en/article/ElinFalk

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Created by MumphingSquirrel (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

MumphingSquirrel (talk) 21:01, 17 October 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral: - Edits needed, article in wikivoice praises the subject at various points
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems: - Use of primary sources might be an issue

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - discuss, please offer an ALT or two

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: Great to see this article. I have questions about the choice and use of some sources. I think these can all be corrected, and some discussion may be beneficial. ProfGray (talk) 19:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Hook: "revolutionised" seems laudatory and afaik that word is not in the source; "reform" is used and seems more NPOV. Would help to have a hook that says something about the reforms, such as from a military to a more playful style. Or about how the reforms were met with anger and condemnation.
• Posture not mentioned in source cited, but perhaps "correcting body position" is meant?
• Primary sources are at current footnotes #1, #4. And #7 is by the subject herself. #2 unclear. Second opinion would be helpful here.
• Source #5 links to a WP article IINM, seems to need correction.
• It'd be helpful to find more independent sources about her.
• Overly praising POV includes: "Like so many innovative thinkers, Falk met opposition in her lifetime, with full recognition and appreciation," "Newspapers became involved, publishing condemnation of the exercises without having read about them, let alone tried them" (i.e., critical of her critics), praising: "was as critical of herself as of others, jetisoning any of her ideas which did not work as she had hoped," ProfGray (talk) 20:11, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@MumphingSquirrel: Please address the above.--Launchballer 12:21, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I've been gradually working through the points above, editied the text and linked #5 to where it should have gone. Added a number of academic references. Alternative hook below. Let me know if you think anything further needs to be done. Thanks for helful pointers. ALT1: ... that Elin Falk caused a national controversy in 1913 with her suggestions for reforming how gymnastics was taught in Swedish schools? MumphingSquirrel (talk) 18:49, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Anastasia Somoza

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• ... that as a nine-year-old, disability rights advocate Anastasia Somoza lobbied U.S president Bill Clinton for her twin sister to be allowed to join her in a mainstream classroom? Source: Desert News
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kiki Wong

Created by Innisfree987 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 40 past nominations.

Innisfree987 (talk) 09:30, 13 October 2024 (UTC).

• Article is new enough, long enough, and within policy. No copyright violation detected. The hook however is not usable. “Mainstreaming” is an American special education term that only educators from the United States and American parents of special needs students are likely to be familiar with. As such it fails WP:DYKCRIT/ WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE for requiring specialized knowledge and not targeting a global audience. Additionally it is not at all clear the twin sisters are themselves disabled so the hook even to an American audience is confusing. We need a different hook.4meter4 (talk) 17:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Hm, I am not in either of the groups you view as the only ones who know this term… Innisfree987 (talk) 22:26, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Ok. I still think it is a term not familiar to most people and requires specialized knowledge.4meter4 (talk) 22:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm from England and we use it over here. I think this passes WP:DYKINT.--Launchballer 12:07, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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Common fixed point problem

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• ... that in 1967, two mathematicians published PhD dissertations independently disproving the same thirteen-year-old conjecture?

• Source: "The purpose of this paper is to answer Dyer's question in the negative by the construction of a pair of commuting functions which have no fixed point in common. [...] This paper is a condensation of the author's 1967 doctoral dissertation", from a paper by Boyce . "It has been conjectured that any two continuous functions f, g mapping the closed unit interval into itself which commute under composition [...] must have a common fixed point [...] Chapter 2 defines a pair of functions which show that the conjecture is false", from Huneke's 1967 PhD dissertation.

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• Comment: If the reviewer doesn't have ProQuest access, I can provide a copy of Huneke's dissertation over email.

Created by WillisBlackburn (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

jlwoodwa (talk) 19:15, 16 October 2024 (UTC).

• Starting review...
• Article is new enough and long enough
• Sources all appear to be WP:RS and for the most part, adequately cited with in-line citations. There are however two {{citation needed}} tags which need to be addressed.
• Earwig calls out a few phrases here and there but they all look like technical terms which can't be rephrased, so no problems there.
• Extra brownie points for taking an exceptionally technical article and writing a hook which will appeal to most readers. RoySmith (talk) 22:16, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@Jlwoodwa: just want to make sure you saw this. RoySmith (talk) 01:18, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

@RoySmith: Thanks for the ping. I've removed the first statement tagged with {{citation needed}} (since WillisBlackburn said on the talk page that it turned out to be false), and added a citation for the other statement. jlwoodwa (talk) 01:58, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Looking at this closer, I see that there's still some statements that need citations. I've added some more {{citation needed}} tags. My apologies for not picking up on this the first time. RoySmith (talk) 02:06, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

@Jlwoodwa: please see the above. RoySmith (talk) 14:21, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Looks like the claim in the hook is sourced to the dissertations themselves, so there's no source actually saying they were independent, which sounds like a WP:SYNTH problem to me. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 11:16, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Secondary sources agree that Boyce and Huneke came up with their solutions independently. For example, from the Brown article: "It seems appropriate that a question that independently occurred to more than one person should have been answered independently by two people." The McDowell article: "The Dyer/Shields/Dubins/Isbell conjecture (hereafter referred to as the common fixed-point conjecture) was independently settled in the negative by William M. Boyce [7] and Huneke [22] in 1967." The McCrosky dissertation: "Finally, in 1967, the unit interval was shown to not have the common fixed point property by two men working independently on their dissertations." And of course Huneke's published paper (separate from his disseration) says "Simultaneous to and independent of the author's preceding work, W. M. Boyce [1], [2] constructed essentially the same solution." WillisBlackburn (talk) 22:33, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Ratnākara

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• ... that Ratnākara may have invented the poetic device of vakrokti ("verbal distortion")?

• Source: Bronner and McCrea 2001 439–440.

• ALT1: ... that Ratnākara's Vakroktipañcāśikā contains fifty verses of dialogue between Śiva and Pārvatī, employing the poetic device of vakrokti ("verbal distortion")?
• ALT2: ... that a now-lost chronicle of the kings of Kashmir, covering two "gaps" in Kalhaṇa's Rājataraṅginī, is attributed to Ratnākara?
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Created by TryKid (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 07:48, 15 October 2024 (UTC).

• A new hook with additional context might be needed here, as the typical reader might not understand the intended meaning of the hook. Essentially, it might not meet WP:DYKINT, specifically the part about specialist knowledge. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:29, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

  @Narutolovehinata5:, I've expanded the hook to make it clearer, and added two alternative hooks. I have no significant preference for any of them over others; feel free to chose any or suggest improvements if this is still unsatisfactory. I could add a note in the article explaining vakrokti in detail if current wording feels too confusing. regards, TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 10:17, 1 November 2024 (UTC)

It might be better to just focus on ALT2 as ALT1 still seems to rely on specialist knowledge and not something that's self-evident from a reading. ALT2 is still slightly specialist but it's at least more understandable. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:02, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

The nominator has been given well over a month to propose a usable hook. The current hooks require specialized knowledge and fail the WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE guideline. Given how much time has passed since this issue was pointed out by Narutolovehinata5 to TryKid, it is time to pass on this nomination.4meter4 (talk) 18:01, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

4meter4, my understanding was that Narutolovehinata5 had passed on the review for someone else to do it, not that I was being asked to make a new hook! That's not what I expected "Symbol redirect vote 4" to mean. It's fine if it's too late to salvage this, but Narutolovehinata5 and other reviewers, please be clearer about this stuff, and clearly state what is expected from the nominators. TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 18:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

@TryKid I'm happy to hold off on a rejection if you still wish to try and propose a usable hook. Narutolovehinata5 has raised a WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE objection, which I agree with. You need to propose a hook that anyone can understand which means contextualizing the term "Ratnākara" (most people won't know what or who this is; ie its not clear this is even a person in the current hooks). I also would avoid using too many foreign language terms or names. "Kalhaṇa's Rājataraṅginī" for example will have no obvious context or meaning to the average English speaking person. You need to try and find a hook fact that someone who knows nothing about India or its history or its literature or its languages can understand. Best.4meter4 (talk) 18:56, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

@TryKid here is an example of a hook that would be understandable to an English reader: ...that the poet Ratnākara is credited with authoring a now-lost chronicle of the kings of Kashmir that fulfills two gaps in the historical chronicle of the north-western part of Indian sub-continent? Best.4meter4 (talk) 19:19, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

4meter4, I thank you for the suggestion, and for allowing the nom more time despite the initial miscommunication. How about ALT 0a: ... that the poet Ratnākara may have invented the Sanskrit-language poetic device of "willful misconstrucal" (vakrokti)?

I understand it's not immediately clear what "willful misconstrucal" is to a non-specialist audience, but it would be something that draws the audience in, rather than all of the interesting information being in the hook. The phrase is from the Bronner and McCrea, p.436: "This device, vakrokti – “verbal perversion” or, more literally, “distortive-talk” – is traditionally defined as one speaker’s willful misconstrual of what has been said by another."

If this still fails the "specialised knowledge" criterion, feel free to reject the nomination as you initially intended, I can't really think of anything much better. Articles like this might not be cut-out for DYK. There's a "longest extant Sanskrit mahākāvya" hook, but that already ran with Haravijaya itself. regards, TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 20:22, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

@TryKid I think it reads weirdly but a slight modification based on that quote would be better: ALT 0b: ... that the poet Ratnākara may have invented the Sanskrit-language poetic device of "verbal perversion" (vakrokti)? I think this is hookier because the language is much more provocative. It will grab a reader's attention.4meter4 (talk) 21:17, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

@4meter4 I don't think putting up suggestive stuff or innuendos even in a "bait and switch" contexts is a good DYK practice. Any of the other phrases from the paper—distortive talk, willful misconstrucal, intentional misinterpretation, verbal distortion—would be better. regards, TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 21:38, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

@TryKid That's fair. Based on that I think this would work: ALT 0c: ... that the poet Ratnākara may have invented the Sanskrit-language poetic device of "verbal distortion" (vakrokti)?

I am going to have another editor look at this alt since arguably I helped write Alt Oc.4meter4 (talk) 21:47, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Just need an editor to approve of Alt Oc.4meter4 (talk) 21:47, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

ALT0c fails WP:DYKDEFINITE as it is not a definite fact and would require attribution anyway.--Launchballer 12:13, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Launchballer, are attributed statments allowed on DYK? How about ALT 0d: ... that according to Yigal Bronner and Lawrence McCrea, the poet Ratnākara may have invented the Sanskrit-language poetic device of "verbal distortion" (vakrokti)?

Alternatively, a simpler version of alt2: ALT2b: ... that a now-lost chronicle of the kings of Kashmir is attributed to the author Ratnākara?

Even ALT1b: ... that the Sanskrit-language poem Vakroktipañcāśikā, authored by Ratnākara, employs the poetic device of "willful misconstrucal"? I believe these should be understandable by a lay Western audience. regards, TryKid ^{[dubious – discuss]} 16:06, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

2018 Batman by-election

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• ... that at the 2018 Batman by-election, the Division of Batman was politically divided by the "hipster-proof fence" or "quinoa curtain"?

• Source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-17/voters-head-to-polls-for-batman-byelection/9553388

• ALT1: ... that the 2018 Batman by-election caused significant in-fighting within the Australian Greens that damaged their campaign at the 2018 Victorian state election? Source: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-03-29/greens-blame-internal-problems-negative-media-for-election-loss/10950124
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bill Morrow (Australian politician)

Improved to Good Article status by GraziePrego (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

GraziePrego (talk) 03:11, 15 October 2024 (UTC).

• Not a reivew, however an alternative hook:
  • ALT2: ... that during the 2018 Batman by-election campaign Teresa van Lieshout, a perennial candidate, taped their mouth shut and picketed a candidates' forum when she wasn't invited? Source: https://www.northweststar.com.au/story/5269156/batman-by-election-candidates-speak-out/

TarnishedPath^talk 06:38, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Another alt hook suggestion, for maximum quirkiness:
  • ALT3: ... that Batman had a "hipster-proof fence"? Source: [12]

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 21:16, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

@Vigilantcosmicpenguin your suggested alt isn't supported by the source you gave, however it is supported by https://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-03-17/voters-head-to-polls-for-batman-byelection/9553388. @GraziePrego, what do you think of the suggested alts? Also it appears that you need to do QPQ for one review. TarnishedPath^talk 05:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

I would be happy with either of the suggested Alt hooks, I think I'm happy to let a reviewer choose between them and the original ones I suggested. I have also done a QPQ by reviewing the DYK for Bill Morrow (Australian politician). GraziePrego (talk) 07:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

My apologies, I'm new to this and wasn't reading all of the nomination. TarnishedPath^talk 03:48, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 16

Lyncoya Jackson

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Jackson adopts Lyncoya

• ... that the adoption of a Muscogee orphan Lyncoya by Andrew Jackson (pictured) was framed by Jackson's political allies as a defense against charges that Jackson was a bloodthirsty Indian killer?
  • Reviewed: Hyborian War

5x expanded by Jengod (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 199 past nominations.

KAVEBEAR (talk) 03:00, 17 October 2024 (UTC).

• TYSM for the nice nomination KAVEBEAR! I am here at everybody's convenience for comments questions revisions etc. Cheers, jengod (talk) 03:23, 17 October 2024 (UTC)
• Source for this hook: "For Jackson and his supporters, however, Lyncoya remained Jackson's "benevolent object." By telling the story of Lyncoya's adoption, they tried to craft Jackson into more than a military general who had slaughtered Indigenous peoples." From doi:10.18130/V3Q364 Rachel Jackson and the Search for Zion, 1760s-1830s, Gismondi, Melissa, University of Virginia, p. 152 jengod (talk) 00:16, 18 October 2024 (UTC)
• Public domain image that's not too trauma-porn, just FYI --> File:Images from Pictorial Life of Andrew Jackson 1847 by John Frost illustrated by William Croome 04.jpg jengod (talk) 04:04, 18 October 2024 (UTC)

Liliget Feast House

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• ... that Liliget Feast House featured a longhouse-style interior designed by architect Arthur Erickson?

• Source: "The longhouse, designed by architect Arthur Erickson, was the home of Liliget Feast House, the name being a very literal translation..." Peyton, Gabby (6 June 2023). Where We Ate: A Field Guide to Canada's Restaurants, Past and Present. Appetite by Random House. ISBN 978-0-525-61167-7. Retrieved 16 October 2024.

• ALT1: ... that Liliget Feast House grilled food over alder wood fire to emulate food preparation in the Gitxsan villages the restaurant's owner grew up in? Source: “We grill most everything over fire,” Watts says proudly. “We use alder wood so that everything we cook tastes so much like the food we used to eat in our villages.” "Dolly Watts Business and Commerce (2001)". Indspire. 20 November 2014. Retrieved 16 October 2024.
• ALT2: ... that ambience in the Liliget Feast House included chants, "laughing water", and pan flute music? Source: "It's in the style of the coastal Northwestern tribes, and they play "laughing water" and chants for ambience." Greenberg, Peter (23 July 2002). Travel Detective Flight Crew Confidential: People Who Fly for a Living Reveal Insider Secrets and Hidden Values in Cities and Airports Around the World. Random House Publishing Group. ISBN 978-1-58836-127-1. Retrieved 16 October 2024.
  "a place where the walls are adorned by a striking selection of native art and where pan flute music fills the air." Colombara, Michael (1999). "Restaurant Reviews 1999". Pacific Rim Magazine. Langara College. Retrieved 16 October 2024.
• ALT3: ... that "unusual choices" at Liliget Feast House included wind-dried salmon and pan-fried oolichans? Source: "Wind-dried salmon and pan-fried oolichans (candlefish, a member of the smelt family) are some of the unusual choices at Liliget Feast House, 1724 Davie Street, (604) 681-7044, which specializes in Northwest Coast Indian food." Carmichael, Suzanne (28 April 1996). "WHAT'S DOING IN;Vancouver". The New York Times. Retrieved 16 October 2024.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Teniky
• Comment: I know MOS:DYKPIPE exists, but unless I direct the link to the much more broad "longhouse" article, I can't go link the Longhouses of the Indigenous peoples of North America article, which is much more lengthy. If there is a solution that can be used to resolve this, then I am all ears. As it stands though, there is no clean solution to make it more specific without featuring a pipe. ALT1 is a bit wordy, so if there is a more brisk wording, I am welcome to an alternative hook. ALT2's source refers to "laughing water" in quotations but has no explanation, I assume it refers to water sounds, but there is no further elaboration. Regardless, I thank the reviewer for their time and hope they have a wonderful experience learning about this piece of Vancouver's history. I hope I can work on the third part of this article series shortly.

Created by Ornithoptera (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 45 past nominations.

Ornithoptera (talk) 22:16, 16 October 2024 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 17

Rich Romer

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• ... that three-time Pizza Hut All-American Rich Romer later worked as an engineer?

• Source: Pizza Hut, engineer

• ALT1: ... that NFL player Rich Romer was a three-time Pizza Hut All-American? Source: Pizza Hut
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5x expanded by WikiOriginal-9 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 23:24, 18 October 2024 (UTC).

• Verified that the article is long enough, that there are no plagiarism concerns through the Copyvios tool and spotchecking, and that the hook is sourced in the article. Cunard (talk) 07:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
  • Great work on the article! Both hooks are interesting and verified as being sourced in the article. ALT0 relies on this source to say he worked as an engineer. According to the About Us page for the East Greenbush Education Foundation, "The East Greenbush Education Foundation, Inc. is an audited 501(c)(3) non-profit organization whose sole purpose is to raise funds to support student achievement. Founded in 1985 and located in East Greenbush, NY, the Foundation is governed by a volunteer Board of Directors." I think this is a marginally reliable source. If there are concerns that this source is insufficiently reliable, I recommend using ALT1 instead. Cunard (talk) 07:38, 28 October 2024 (UTC)
  • WikiOriginal-9, this hook is somewhat incomprehensible if you're not from the States. More clarity would be nice, or another hook? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:48, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
    • I'm not sure of a way to reword All-American if that's the issue. We can just decline this. That's fine. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:04, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
      • It's more the combination of "Pizza Hut" and "All-American" that is confusing. I've read the article and I'm still not sure what it means. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
        • It means he was named an All-American by Pizza Hut (Pizza Hut used to select All-American teams for some reason). ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 16:52, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
          • So it's just a sponsorship thing, like the EFL Cup being called the Carabao Cup? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
            • I'm not sure if Pizza Hut was necessarily a sponsor, they might not have been. The Associated Press names All-American teams and they aren't a sponsor. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:51, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 18

The rent strike in Independence, Missouri

2024 Kansas City metropolitan area rent strike

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• ... that a rent strike in Missouri (pictured) is the first to ever target the United States federal government?

• Source: https://www.kansascity.com/news/local/article293503129.html

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Cyprus in the Eurovision Song Contest 2004

Moved to mainspace by LunaEclipse (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 14 past nominations.

💽 LunaEclipse 💽 ⚧ ^{【=◈︿◈=】} 00:15, 18 October 2024 (UTC).

• Article is new and long enough. Article is well-sourced, neutral, and only pings on Earwigs for some long proper titles. Hook is cited, short enough, and interesting. QPQ has been completed. Image is freely licensed, clear at a diminished size, and used in the article. Morgan695 (talk) 15:43, 1 November 2024 (UTC)
• @LunaEclipse, Morgan695, and AirshipJungleman29: pulled, as no one responded to this message and it's in queue now :) will probably need a new hook. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 07:46, 23 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Theleekycauldron, ALT1: ...that tenants burned their late rent notices as part of a strike? 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ ^{(CALL ME IF YOU GET LOST)} 22:54, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
    • (source jic) 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ ^{(CALL ME IF YOU GET LOST)} 22:55, 24 November 2024 (UTC)
      • looks like the body of the article says they burned the notices? (see WP:HEADLINE) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 02:09, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
        • • @Theleekycauldron: I've reworded the hook accordingly. 💽 LunaEclipse 💽 🌹 ⚧ ^{(CALL ME IF YOU GET LOST)} 11:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
            • @LunaEclipse: Seems to check out. I'm sorry to jerk you around on this, but is this article notable under WP:NEVENT? There's no analysis-based coverage, it's all primary-source reporting, and all of the coverage seems to be from local or niche publications. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:56, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

White Party (Sean Combs)

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• ... that Sean Combs promised not to spill champagne on the Declaration of Independence?

• Source: ["No one would ever expect a young black man to be coming to a party with the Declaration of Independence, but I got it, and it's coming with me ... And I promise not to spill champagne on it" https://www.tampabay.com/archive/2004/07/07/p-diddy-does-politics/, https://archive.is/ivRpf, P. Diddy does politics, The Tampa Bay Times, 7 July 2004]

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Middlesex Regiment alien labour units

Created by No Swan So Fine (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 122 past nominations.

No Swan So Fine (talk) 21:17, 23 October 2024 (UTC).

• Hello No Swan So Fine: article created within a week of nomination; QPQ checks out; hook is interesting; no copyvio detected; source checks out. My only question: would it be better to call Mr. Combs by his more well known name of P. Diddy or Diddy? I'm not sure if I'd click on the DYK if it said Sean Combs, I'd be much more likely to do so if it said Diddy, given the recent news and memes. My only thought. ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 05:12, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Kenneth Creer

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• ... that Kenneth Creer supported the expanding Earth theory, and suggested that the Earth's expansion rate was related to cosmology and analogous to the Hubble constant?

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• Comment: Interesting fact snippet on a page I just made.

Created by Helge Kragh (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Spiralwidget (talk) 12:09, 20 October 2024 (UTC).

• Thank you for this new article and hook. The article is long enough and new enough (DYK nomination 2 days after creation), the article is free from copyvio problems, and the sources are sufficient and reliable. QPQ is not needed. The hook at the moment is hard to understand: it is not clear why it might be surprising thar Creer supported the expanding Earth hypothesis; and the second half of the hook probably doesn't mean much to someone who isn't familiar with the Hubble constant.

• A simpler hook might work better, perhaps along the lines that ' a geophysicist.. once supported the expanding Earth theory', and spelling out what this might mean (i.e. 0.6 mm / yr expansion, in Kragh's reference?. I can't access the 'Discovery' paper, but there is a Nature paper by Creer in 1965 where he explains how he might test the expanding Earth theory using perspex shells (https://www.nature.com/articles/205539a0) - perhaps there's an angle for a hook there? And there is a book review by Creer from 1976, where he says he found himself 'prepared to consider .. slow expansion of about 1% in radius since the Permian' https://doi.org/10.1016/0031-9201(77)90099-1
• Perhaps consider creating one or two alternative hooks? One final point to clarify - in the nomination it suggests that the article was 'created by Helge Kragh'; I presume this is a typo - the source reference you cite is by Kragh? @Spiralwidget:Chaiten1 (talk) 23:03, 16 November 2024 (UTC)
• Hi Chaiten1! Yes, that was a typo-I was the one who created the article. Spiralwidget (talk) 00:28, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@Spiralwidget: Do you have any ALT hooks to propose? Z1720 (talk) 15:01, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

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Luo Shiwen

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Luo Shiwen

• ... that Luo Shiwen (pictured) led a secret cell of the Chinese Communist Party while detained at a Kuomintang concentration camp?

• Source: * Li Jingya (李惊亚) (4 April 2024). 探访息烽集中营旧址，追寻先烈们的热血与信仰 [Visit the Site of Xifeng Concentration Camp and Trace the Passion and Faith of the Martyrs]. Xinhua Daily Telegraph (in Chinese). Xinhua News Agency. Archived from the original on 14 October 2024. Retrieved 14 October 2024. (existence of the secret cell and its power is also confirmed by Mühlhahn, Klaus (2009). Criminal Justice in China: A History. Cambridge: Harvard University Press. p. 144. ISBN 978-0-674-05433-2.)

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Anaïs Gallagher (3 of 3)

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 691 past nominations.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:06, 18 October 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - Much of the article is cited to sources like "Devoting One's Efforts to the Party and the People is the Least of One's Worries——Deeds of Martyr Luo Shiwen", which doesn't speak well to their reliability. There is no consensus that Chinese government published sources are reliable for heroic deeds of party members (see, eg, WP:XINHUA).
• Neutral: - Unclear, see above
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - ? Unable to evaluate translation copyvio from Chinese language sources

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting: - Hook could use improvement. Such underground groups developed in so many locations that political prisoners are jailed together

Image eligibility:

• Freely licensed:
• Used in article:
• Clear at 100px: - Bad quality pic, main page viewers would be better served by not running it

QPQ: Done.

Overall: (t · c) buidhe 04:59, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

• Hi Buidhe. Thank you for taking a look at this article, though I note that you are supposed to notify the article's creator if you find issues.

Referring to WP:XINHUA, which you mentioned in your review, the quorum mentioned there reads "Caution should be exercised in using this source, extremely so in case of extraordinary claims on controversial subjects or biographies of living people. When in doubt, try to find better sources instead; use inline attribution if you must use Xinhua." Little mentioned in the Luo Xinhua article crosses the bar of "extraordinary claims", and what does cross that bar is specifically attributed to the source (with an indication that it is state-owned). He lived, he did something, he was detained, he was executed. Where these government sources have been used, I have been careful not to use their description of persons whom the CCP has no reason to like (for example, the conflict with Zhang Guotao is cited to Howard rather than the decidedly less neutral CCP sources, and discussion of Xifeng is cited predominantly to a Harvard University Press book). Likewise, I have deliberately excluded politically charged claims such as Luo's father being bankrupted by the high ROC taxes.

As per WP:PARTISAN, "reliable sources are not required to be neutral, unbiased, or objective." WP:CONTEXTMATTERS clarifies that "Each source must be carefully weighed to judge whether it is reliable for the statement being made in the Wikipedia article and is an appropriate source for that content." In this case, the sources are used specifically for basic statements of biography. Where statements were extraordinary, such as Mao and Zhou specifically asking for Luo's release, it has been attributed to the source with an indication of the source's potential bias.

As for the hook, I am deliberately avoiding claims that are sourced exclusively to state-media. How do you feel about:

ALT1 ... that Luo Shiwen (pictured) led a secret cell of the Chinese Communist Party that negotiated better conditions for inmates at their concentration camp?

That ALT is supported entirely by Mühlhahn. Regards,  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 12:28, 19 October 2024 (UTC)

Xinhua is, according to consensus, generally reliable for factual reporting except in areas where the government of China may have a reason to use it for propaganda, but this topic is exactly one where the Chinese government would have an interest in distorting its own history in order to make the CCP look better. Perhaps other reviewers would have a different opinion, but I don't think that Chinese government published sources should be cited so heavily. (In case you are looking for additional sources, this one is accessible via TWL and seems to mention the article subject). (t · c) buidhe 00:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

• I think I have Wakeman sitting around somewhere. I'll cite that for a few points, and I can cite some more to the pithy provided by Howard. That being said, a blanket prohibition against mainland Chinese sources (we've been talking about Xinhua, but Sichuan Annals are cited more prevalently, and both the original books and the web edition have the same government ties) for a figure of little interest to KMT historians does seem counter-productive. It may be best to have a third opinion. — Chris Woodrich (talk) 01:39, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

• @Buidhe: Have your concerns been resolved and is this approved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 23:29, 29 October 2024 (UTC)

• I think we were looking at having a third party take a look, but I wasn't sure how to proceed.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:17, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

I also don't think there should be a ban on CCP sources for uncontroversial statements. I'll investigate further when my head's a bit clearer.--Launchballer 10:55, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

Or indeed, any Chinese government-backed sources; claims should be assessed on their merits. (They probably aren't making up "son of a saltmonger", for example.) @Buidhe: what specific sentences are you objecting to?--Launchballer 13:06, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

My interpretation (see above) is that there is a consensus that the Chinese government sources are not reliable where they have an incentive to lie for propaganda purposes. When it comes to the heroic deeds of a Communist party member, there is an obvious incentive for propaganda. This does not apply to basic biographical information that does not reflect positively or negatively on the subject (t · c) buidhe 02:12, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

@Crisco 1492: Are you able to find other, more reliable sources to verify the information? Z1720 (talk) 15:48, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Hi Z1720; as I mentioned above, I have attributed all extraordinary claims to non-Party sources, or made it explicit that sources may be biased in the running text. The remainder is, to the best of my assessment, basic biographic data (for example, "At the time, following the May Fourth Movement and in the midst of the New Culture Movement, he and his cousins had begun reading communist publication", cited to the Sichuan Annals). One might object to "inciting more [peasant] uprisings", but given that was the standard MO of the CCP in the 1930s, I don't feel that it meets the extraordinary or heroic threshold.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:00, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Looking at the article, I don't think any of the claims sourced to refs 1, 2, 3, 4, 7, 13, 17, 18, or 19 meet the criteria outlined at WP:EXCEPTIONAL.--Launchballer 01:18, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Requesting a reviewer. Right now we seem to be at an impasse.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 14:22, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 19

Michel Klein (veterinarian)

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Michel Klein in 1996

• ... that in the 1950s, Michel Klein (pictured) opened one of the first veterinary practices in Paris?

• Source: "Michel Klein, born in 1921 in Romania, studied at the veterinary school in Toulouse, a city where he joined the resistance before fleeing to Spain. Back after the war, he was one of the first to open a veterinary office in Paris in the 1950s."

Le Parisien

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/240 Centre Street

Created by Thriley (talk) and ForsythiaJo (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 150 past nominations.

Thriley (talk) 22:29, 25 October 2024 (UTC).

• The article lacks some basic biographical facts: he was born in Sighet (not in generic northwestern Romania), and he was Jewish, the specific reason most of his family perished at Auschwitz. In Toulouse, he did not attend an unspecified veterinary school, but the École nationale vétérinaire de Toulouse. He was not simply in the vast “French Resistance”, but, as the first source I supplied indicates, in a network run by the Special Operations Executive. And so on. (@Dahn:, this may be of interest.) — Biruitorul ^Talk 06:40, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

@Thriley and ForsythiaJo: Please address the above.--Launchballer 01:20, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@Thriley and ForsythiaJo: I'm closing this in 24 hours if I don't see some action on this.--Launchballer 01:10, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Will be fixing up in the next 12 hours. Thriley (talk) 20:59, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Izvestiya Soveta rabochikh i soldatskikh deputatov goroda Askhabada

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• ... that Izvestiya Soveta rabochikh i soldatskikh deputatov goroda Askhabada was the first Bolshevik newspaper published in the Transcaspian Oblast?

• Source: А. А Росляков. Большевики Туркменистана в борьбе за власть Советов. Туркменское государственное изд-во, 1961. p. 328

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Od Warszawy do Ojcowa

Created by Soman (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 406 past nominations.

Soman (talk) 17:35, 19 October 2024 (UTC).

• Comment: We've had issues with hooks about "firsts", particularly when it comes to newspapers. It's best to avoid superlatives that are difficult to substaniate, but it's also not that interesting. Also, why not have the title in English? RoySmith is working on an essay that explores the idea: First is worst. Viriditas (talk) 20:28, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• I think there are a few different issues here. I see the argument that RoySmith is trying to make in the draft essay, but at the same time that's a draft essay and not a policy at this stage. Blanket avoidance of any superlatives will have a pretty big impact on the entire DYK process, and whilst I think it fair to reflect on the issues linked to claims of 'first', 'biggest' etc I would not agree to that it should be enforced as a strict rule.
• One say to perhaps make the hook slightly more interesting would be to rephrase Transcaspian Oblast (unknown to most readers) to 'present-day Turkmenistan'. It is slightly different than to say 'first Bolshevik newspaper in Pskov', it illustrates that the political organization of the movements of the Russian revolution covered what is today many different countries and societies.
• Another approach for ALT could be to focus on the role of the newspaper in the tensions inside the Ashkhabad Soviet, that the newspaper supposedly published by the Soviet frequently attacked the leadership of the Soviet. But I find it more difficult to construe the sourcing to explicitly state that the newspaper was indeed the organ of the Soviet (in spite of the name), it seemingly was a Bolshevik party organ de facto.
• In regards to the name, I generally think translating newspaper names is a bad idea. We refer to Le Monde as Le Monde, not The World. We refer to Pravda as Pravda, not Truth. And so forth. With Chinese newspapers there are some cases where it possible to argue to that names like People's Daily could be considered WP:COMMONNAME, although I think that is gradually becoming an anachronism. --Soman (talk) 09:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Surely, the paper was known by a nickname that can be used? It seems unlikely that anyone would say, "Hey comrade, did you read the News of the Council of Workers and Soldiers Deputies of the City of Askhabad this morning?" Viriditas (talk) 09:29, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

I find 'Известия Асхабадского Совета' being used in some sources. --Soman (talk) 01:07, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

@Soman: That's a good step forward. Can it be added to the article with the English translation? And can we use the shortened format in the hook? Viriditas (talk) 09:05, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Film Essay on the Euphrates Dam

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• ... that a Syrian filmmaker repurposed footage from his first film in his last film in order to criticize his younger self?

• Source: https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctvz9383k.15

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Panhandle Gap and Template:Did you know nominations/History of education in Wales (1870–1939)

Created by Zanahary (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

꧁Zanahary꧂ 07:38, 19 October 2024 (UTC).

• I'm not sure how this hook squares up against the rules to avoid hooks solely based on the content of works, but regardless of that, I am not sure how it's interesting or relevant that, basically, the filmmaker changed his mind about something... (t · c) buidhe 23:35, 20 October 2024 (UTC)

• That rule is: If the subject of the hook is a work of fiction or a fictional character, the hook must be focused on a real-world fact. This is a real-world fact about a nonfiction work. As for the fact, I think it's definitely unusual and remarkable for a filmmaker to make a film criticizing his own work. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 08:12, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

•  Doing... ミラP@Miraclepine 18:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - Earwig says that phrases like "advent of the dam" and "through the lens of salvage ethnography" and "with an eighteenth-century BCE limestone statue of the goddess Ishtar excavated from the" are identical to what's in the abstract of ref 2, so they could be changed to avoid close paraphrasing unless it can't be avoided. "Naive early enthusiasm" is similar to "earlier naive enthusiasm" in ref 4, so "Naive early" or just "early" could be changed to "initial" if possible. Otherwise the whole thing's good.

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Nominated on creation day and sized at 2360 B. Can't access refs 2 and 3 to verify anything so will AGF. @Zanahary: I have to agree with you this hook is interesting based on your explanation, but fix the paraphrasing issue and you're good to go. Film Essay on the Euphrates Dam, which is linked in the hook, is a stub sized at 233 B, so if you want to expand it and make it a second bold, feel free to do so and ping me if you're done; I can even hold the nom for you for the time being. ミラP@Miraclepine 19:01, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the review Miraclepine! I’ll fix the paraphrasing. I can also try to expand A Flood in Ba’ath Country. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 20:00, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

@Zanahary: I've found the fix satisfactory. I'll approve Film Essay on the Euphrates Dam, but ping me once A Flood in Baath Country is sufficiently expanded. ミラP@Miraclepine 20:33, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

@Miraclepine: I've done it! ꧁Zanahary꧂ 20:41, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

@Zanahary: Thank you. I'm busy with school right now and with other things, but I'll review this tonight or tomorrow. ミラP@Miraclepine 20:50, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

@Zanahary: Since your hook now has two bolded articles, please do a second QPQ. ミラP@Miraclepine 16:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@Miraclepine: Done! here. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 17:41, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@Zanahary: Thank you, I'll start reviewing the article now. And for the record: I'm putting it to where the first QPQ is listed for convenience. ミラP@Miraclepine 17:43, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - See below.
• Neutral: - Ref 21 says that the report of the cancellation (but not what the report led to) was a rumor; fix Jeune Afrique sentence to say that, and also to for due weight to note that the JCC organizers affirmed their anti-censorship guarantee at the time. I think the "strongly" in "strongly criticizes" is MOS:EDITORIALizing? Otherwise it's all good.
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - See below.

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: @Zanahary: Yeah, this article has serious problems with close paraphrasing which need to be fixed, as well as some issues with WP:V.

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Regarding WP:V issues: About the infobox: need a source for the producers, cinematography, editor, distributor, running-time, country, and languages. Ref 1 said "some film pirates" but not "two", fix that. Ref 9 says "mistake" but ref 10 says "distress", fix this to clarify what word to use. Ref 9 says it was named after his family but not him himself. Fix "nephew of a local Ba'ath Party leader" -> "nephew of said village's chief" since the ref says the local Baath Party leader is the nephew, not the chief. Refs 32 and 33 don't say he was going to Beirut (but rather Jordan), that it was an airport he was detained at, or (directly) that the Al Arabiya broadcast was in Syria, just that it was to Syrian viewers, so change "aired in Syria" -> "was also seen by Syrian viewers" Ref 12 only says he was a tribal chief but not what tribe and is redundant anyway because ref 14 says he was a leader of the tribe and what tribe it was; relocate ref 12 from that sentence to fix the confusion. Ref 19 is literally redundant to 24. The "won the award for best short film" needs only ref 20. Ref 27 is redundant to 25/26 (and I don't speak Arabic anyway, so I'll AGF since video is not something I can easily translate unlike text) I also need clarity on what the working title is: NYT and Reason say Fifteen Reasons Why I Hate the Baath (both caps), but Fifteen Reasons Why I Hate the Baath Party is used by The Douglas Hyde (uncaps) Masress (uncaps) Eclipse of the Sunnis by Deborah Amos (caps) (worst case scenario we use a footnote). Now, this is the full list of CLOP issues: "one of the leaders of Busha’ban tribe admits in the documentary: A Flood in Baath Country directed by Omar Amiralay in 2003 that he sent his tribesmen to Aleppo in the 1970s to help President Hafez al-Assad fight against the Muslim Brotherhood" = "Shaykh Diab al-Mashi, a former leader of the Busha'ban tribe, admits that he'd sent his tribesmen to Damascus in the 1970s to assist in President Hafez al-Assad's fight against the Muslim Brotherhood" "As a reward, al-Mashi was granted a permanent seat in the Syrian Parliament. His tribe's villages were also provided with electricity, and many of the men were exempted from compulsory military service" = same as ref 16 "Το reward them for their loyalty, Sheikh Dayyab al-Mashi was granted a permanent seat in Syria's Parliament. Additionally, the villages of his tribe were provided with electricity and many of his tribesmen were exempted from military service (Dukhan, 2019)." I can't access 15 and it's redundant anyway. Also I think it's way too tangential to note in the article. Sort the list of filmmakers protesting the festival's decision in alphabetical order to prevent close paraphrasing. Change "A Flood in Baath Country was pulled from the lineup of the 2004 Carthage Film Festival in Tunisia" to "the 2004 Carthage Film Festival in Tunisia cancelled a screening of the film". "allegation that the film had been pulled to begin with" should be changed to "news that the screening was cancelled" to carry over paraphrase cleanup. "reported" should be added between "Following" and "political pressure" since the ref says it's apparent. Also, there's a conflict between the Jeune Afrique ref which says the news on the cancellation was a "real-fake "scandal" with a persistent rumor ... [that] turned out to be unfounded" and the Variety/Bidoun refs that together say that the screening was cancelled but put back on the program on the last day; need to sort this out per NPOV. "asked the network to include a dedication to a friend" = "asked the network to include in their broadcast a dedication to his friend", so change to "later requested that said network also air a dedication to his friend" (and also since it seems ambiguous if the dedication was directly part of the broadcast) "a Lebanese journalist and critic of the Syrian regime who was killed on June 2 by a bomb hidden in his car" = "a Lebanese journalist who'd been critical of the Ba'athist regime before being killed in 2005 by a bomb hidden in his car" -> "a Lebanese journalist who had been critical of the Ba'athist regime before his assassination in 2005" "Since Bashar al-Assad had permitted satellite television, this meant the movie would be shown in Syria after all" = "and since Bashar al-Assad had recently permitted satellite broadcasts in Syria, the film would be viewable there after all", so -> "allowing the film to be viewable in Syria since satellite television was legalized by Bashar al-Assad's government" "introduced by writer Farouk Mardam Bey and followed by a debate" is lifted straight from the source after being translated into English. Change it to "featuring a debate and an introduction from writer Farouk Mardam Bey" and move it a little earlier between "Baath Country" and "was held in" As for overquotes: The "I wanted ... of my life" can stay, but the "thing that ... eleven thousand years before Christ" should be rewritten. I don't think we need that Ba'athist textbook quote in full, just a sentence describing what it says.

Oh, and this was expanded from 233 B to 9718 B within a few days of being bolded. ミラP@Miraclepine 05:34, 8 November 2024 (UTC)

• @Zanahary: Please address the above. @Miraclepine: This is a very long review. Can any of this information be moved to a different location (the article's talk page perhaps?) or summarised? Z1720 (talk) 15:50, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@Z1720: I'm not sure. I understand it's long, but all this info is still relevant to the DYK, and moving it outside this page might cause all the discussion to be decentralized. Further, I think all the necessary details should be present, and of course there's a lot of them given there were noticeable copyright issues in the page. Would it be best to collapse all this?

Oh, and while I was writing this reply, I noticed a lot of work's being done on this article. I'll take a look at it as soon as I can. ミラP@Miraclepine 16:12, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Okay, review done at last. @Zanahary:, this is long so I'm collapsing it (and also the other; I'm just using Template:Collapse instead of cot/cob given WP:DYKNOM's severe issues with WP:PEISX):

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Now let's see, the Infobox issue is fixed but ref for languages doesn't support that it's Arabic (unlike this one; doclisboa says it's 47 mins, but that ref and the cinemas-asie one say 46 mins); the issue with the film pirates, Jordan, and the nephew of the village chief was fixed; and the festival's anti-censorship guarantee but everything else for V and NPOV are still not fixed. Now re CLOP, noting that irrelevant/redundant content is a sign of close paraphrasing: 1 - still too close; "men of his tribe to fight in President Hafez al-Assad's campaign against the Muslim Brotherhood" -> "his tribesmen to assist in the Islamist uprising" 2 - nevermind, I think it's too tangential, should be removed 4 - done but unclear from the refs if how many screenings so "planned screenings of" -> "plans to screen" and "the screenings' cancellation" -> "the screening's cancellation" (as in process); change "guarantee against censorship" to "commitment to anti-censorship" to prevent CLOP 5 - changed to "requested", but still similar since "broadcast" is not changed to "air" and doesn't address my point in ambiguity 6 - car bomb should be removed to fix CLOP 3 and 7 are fixed and 8 is unchanged For new additions, everything else is fine but: Refs 22 and 23 doesn't support the "they think this lake has been here forever" quote unlike Jadaliyya ref, add that ref; also add "saying that" "different" and "they think this lake" and replace the ";" with ",". "describes the "oft-repeated signature shot" of the film as an excruciatingly slow passage through a doorway, which Berman finds claustrophobic in imitation of "circumscribed political vision" -> "says that the recurring use of shots of an entrance through the doorway is the film's "oft-repeated signature shot", describing it as "excruciatingly slow"." for NPOV; excruciatingly is an adjective used in the ref, thus should be quoted. "the Syrian regime asked the Tunisian government, through the Syrian embassy in Tunis, to prevent the screening of Amiralay’s film, “Flood in Baath Country,” at the Carthage Film Festival" = "the Baathist regime had directly asked the Tunisian government to prevent the screening", so "directly asked the" -> "attempted to convince the" "restraining order preventing him from leaving the country. At the end of last week, Haaretz learned that the order had been lifted." = Haaretz reported in November 2006 that the restraining order prohibiting Amiralay from leaving Syria had been lifted.", so "restraining order prohibiting Amiralay from leaving Syria had been lifted" -> "ban on foreign travel placed on Amiralay had been removed" aawsat.com implies 20 September "day before yesterday", and eng-archive.aawsat.com says 19 September but sage ref says 18 September citing Middle East Times; just use September 2006. don't need ref 40 next to "which aired in Syria" To avoid CLOP: "travel to work on" -> "travel abroad for work on" and swap Euphrates and Manbij alphabetically.

BTW wish I had brought this up last time, but consider the refbombing cleanup optional. @Zanahary: these issues need to be fixed, or this nomination won't get to the main page, and I highly recommend making as many issue fixes at once instead of through numerous so I can track these changes quicker and faster. ミラP@Miraclepine 20:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

All edits done, except:

• I did not change "guarantee against censorship" to "commitment to anti-censorship", since the latter implies an ideological alignment to the combating of censorship while the former merely means that the festival promised not to censor anything. I don't think these three words form a copyright issue.
• I read no ambiguity in the source about the dedication's attachment to the broadcast. From the source: Amiralay said that one of the Arab satellite networks had bought "A Flood in Baath Country" ... Amiralay said he had asked the network to include a dedication to a friend, ... "include" here implies that the dedication would be part of the broadcast of the film.
• I'm confused by also add "saying that" "different" and "they think this lake". What are you asking for?
• I don't see how saying the Syrian government "directly asked" is a problem. Changing to "attempted to convince" is a departure from the original meaning and a superficial alteration to avoid two words matching with the source. I think these words are fine and not a copyright problem.
• I changed the restraining order Haaretz text to just say "order prohibiting Amiralay from leaving Syria had been removed"
• "Travel abroad to work on a film in Jordan" is redundant. This, again, is too small to be a copyvio.
• Can you specifically name the ref you want removed from "which aired in Syria"? And why?
• Removal of the car bomb detail—how is that CLOP?—would strip the implicit accusation of assassination of its context. If I said "his death", the reader would not know if he was blown up, disappeared, killed himself, etc., and I obviously cannot say "his assassination".
• 3 and 7 are fixed and 8 is unchanged—I don't know what these numbers refer to, as your notes are just bullets.
• For your previous notes: there is no source explaining the discrepancy between variants on Fifteen reasons. It was a working title. Before that, it was twelve reasons. I don't think this needs a footnote, but feel free to add one if you disagree. Ref 19 is literally redundant to 24. I think these ref numbers have changed, and I don't know what sources they refer to. I don't see a reason not to have both Le Matin and Le Nouvel Obs for the prize claim. Two sources for a claim is pretty standard and not in the territory of WP:CITEKILL. The Farouk Mardam Bey thing is another example of an apparent disagreement between you and I on close paraphrasing and WP:LIMITED—I don't see a reason to alter the natural wording into something superficially more distant from the source's obvious verbiage. I've trimmed the Baathist textbook, but I think what is there should stay; it's very interesting and exemplifies the school section of the film quite well. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 08:50, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

@Zanahary: I'm currently busy with schoolwork and can't do the whole thing at once right now (also including changes you've made since then), but I'll try to catch up between Tuesday and Friday (worst case scenario the latter date). For now:

1. Re 2: Okay, seems I overlooked this. Feel free to write it that way.
2. Re 3: Ooh, sorry. I meant you would add "saying that"
3. Re 9: These are what the bullets would be if the extended detail reviews used numbers.
4. I'd like to note that the principle of WP:LIMITED, which I've used in DYK before, is that it applies unless there is a different plausible way to say it; in these cases I found them here and there, hence my request to make the changes.

Hope this clears things up. ミラP@Miraclepine 17:37, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

@Zanahary: Just looked at Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know/Archive_202#c-RoySmith-20241101020900-Crisco_1492_mobile-20241101015300, so I've done a few fixes outside the ones you've objected to. I'll finish the rest of the review once I come home or tomorrow. ミラP@Miraclepine 20:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

@Zanahary: Since I'm home, where were we?

• Re 1: I felt "committed" and "guarantee" have the same meaning in indicating promise, but then your reply gave me an idea: something in the lines of "kept its promise against censorship"?
• Re 4: How about "directly asked the Tunisian government to prevent" -> "directly requested that the Tunisian government prevent"? "directly asked" seems redundant, and I'm sure one will get the idea about whom they requested it to if "directly" is used before "requested".
• Re 5: I'll approve that.
• Re 6: Following on the principle on WP:LIMITED: just use "travel to Jordan to work on a film"
• Re 7: The Haaretz ref, marked with ref name ":13". The Asharq Al-Aswat ref, which the Haaretz ref is next to, already says the whole thing.
• Re 8: Okay, you make a point about relevance. we'll compromise. Per the principle of WP:LIMITED, how about "before his death by" -> "before being fatally injured by"
• Re 10 is somewhat long, so I'll reply:

• Yeah, assuming the secondary sources got the name mixed up, I'm going with Mohamad al-Roumi.
• That's because sources were added thus increasing the ref numbers; about the refs in question, both Variety articles from Ali Jaafar, I've read the Gale ref thru WP:LIBRARY and it's technically the same thing as the weblink Variety, so I've replaced it with the same. (For the record, I referenced Special:Permalink/1256099108 in the first review.)
• Keep the prize claim refs per your point in WP:CITEKILL.
• The ref still verifies everything the Farouk Mardam Bey proposal says.
• The textbook quote and "The restriction on Amiralay's travel" thing will stay your way

• For content added since then: "the script Amiralay had sent him was entitled" = "The script he sent me was titled", so I've changed to "the script he received from Amiralay was named"; I've also copyedited the other for sentence structure.
• Continuing from the first extended review: In the first paragraph of the Content section, I prefer "remorse" over mistake and distress; change "at a Syrian airport" to "at the Jordan–Syria border" per [13]; and my point on "aired in Syria" -> "was also seen by Syrian viewers" still stands.

Hope this help. ミラP@Miraclepine 05:24, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

@Zanahary and Miraclepine: What is the status of this nomination?--Launchballer 01:14, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer: Zanahary hasn't addressed any of the issues I brought up in my last reply since then. Worst case scenario we run ALT0.5 with "his last film" unbolded. Zanahary, apologies for the second ping, but you need to address these issues as soon as possible if you want A Flood in Baath Country bolded. ミラP@Miraclepine 04:06, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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Mwene Muji

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• ... that Mwene Muji was a polity in the Congo Basin which declined in the late 19th century, and when the Belgians collected traditions in 1926, grand claims of its once imperial status were dismissed?
• ALT1 ... that Mwene Muji was a polity in the Congo Basin, and when the Belgians collected traditions in 1926, grand claims of its once imperial status were dismissed?
• ALT2 ... that the grand claims from the ruler of Mwene Muji of them once having imperial status were dismissed by Belgian colonial authorities?

• Source: [14]

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Created by Kowal2701 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Kowal2701 (talk) 19:48, 20 October 2024 (UTC).

• Hello and welcome to DYK. Right now the hook does not meet the guidelines for a DYK hook as it's too long (we have a limit of 200 characters for most hooks, and ideally it should be less). In addition, it needs to largely focus on a hooky fact, whereas the current hook is essentially summarizing the article. Please prose a new hook so that the nomination can continue. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@Kowal2701: I've also checked the article and right now it's less than 1500 characters long. DYK requires a minimum of 1500 characters of prose to be accepted. If you can expand the article further so that it meets the guidelines then less us know, but if that is not feasible then unfortunately the nomination will have to be rejected. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:20, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@User:Narutolovehinata5 the hook is 197 words long, and it gives context the fact which is that their grand claims were dismissed. I wouldn't say it summarises the article, just the last few sentences. I can expand it further, I think at the moment it's at 1200 words. Are you sure the hook isn't okay?

Yes, the hook is far too long for DYK, even if it is slightly under the character limit. Perhaps another editor like Launchballer can give some advice on what makes a good hook, especially one that isn't too long. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 12:50, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

@User:Narutolovehinata5 but surely if it's under the character limit then the length is okay?

I’ve added alts, I think I know what you were getting at, that the initial hook had too much information in it and wouldn’t entice the reader to click on the article. I think ALT2 is okay? Kowal2701 (talk) 13:18, 21 October 2024 (UTC)

Yes, ALT2 would work. Since the original issues about length and hooks are now addressed this is ready for a full review. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:42, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

Głos Kolejarzy Ewakuowanych — Golos Evakuirovannykh Zheleznodorozhnikov

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• ... that an organ of evacuated Polish railway workers called for unity with All-Russian trade unions around the time of the 1917 October Revolution?

• Source: Ludwik Bazylow, Jan Sobczak. Encyklopedia Rewolucji Październikowej. Wiedza Powszechna, 1987. p. 118

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Laws of London

Created by Soman (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 408 past nominations.

Soman (talk) 12:08, 20 October 2024 (UTC).

• Date, size, hook, neutrality, refs, copyvio spotcheck, QPQ - all in green. GTG. I just wonder whether a more interesting hook could be found, hmmm, maybe one based on the SDKPiL quote? @Soman: --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:01, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Soman I agree that a more interesting hook would be preferred. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 15:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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Revant Himatsingka

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• ... that an Indian social media influencer's viral video on the sugar content of a children's "health drink" compelled its parent company to slash sugar by almost 15%?

• Source: "In addition, Bournvita reduced added sugar by a massive margin of 15% in their product." - https://www.freepressjournal.in/brandsutra/sweet-victory-of-a-one-man-army
  "the brand has now reduced the quantity of added sugar by 14.4 percent.", "Previously, the Bournvita product contained 37.4 grams of added sugar per 100 grams of powder. The revised formula has a reduced sugar content of 32.2 grams per 100 grams." - https://www.indiatoday.in/trending-news/story/bournvita-reduces-added-sugar-content-after-backlash-influencer-calls-it-big-win-2480239-2023-12-25
  "Cadbury reduced the quantity of added sugar in Bournvita by 14.4 percent in December 2023" - https://thebetterindia.com/350012/revant-himatsingka-food-pharmer-nutrition-ingredient-list-read-label-padhega-india-mumbai/

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• Comment: I think this is quite an interesting feat on the part of the influencer that a viral video was able to get Cadbury to reduce added sugar in Bournvita (marketed as children's health drink in India) by almost 15%, even as they sent legal notices and filed lawsuits against him. Also, I am new to DYK, and not sure if the hook could be made better than this. Thanks!

Moved to mainspace by CX Zoom (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

—CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 20:22, 26 October 2024 (UTC).

• Not a review. Just noting that you could use this new infobox image for an image hook. Bremps... 07:15, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Bern Shanks

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• ... that Kenny Moore once went skiing with Bruce Babbitt and Bern Shanks?

• Source: https://vault.si.com/vault/1985/04/08/grandeur-and-torment

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Abortion in Equatorial Guinea

Created by Chetsford (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 152 past nominations.

Chetsford (talk) 22:53, 22 October 2024 (UTC).

• Article is new enough, long enough, well sourced, copyright free, and presentable. However, the hook may fail WP:DYKINT. Additionally, I don't think the majority of viewers will click on the bolded article as that is last in the hook (per WP:DYKMAJOR) and that the first link may get the most views, so I suggest an alternative hook. JuniperChill (talk) 10:14, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

@JuniperChill and Chetsford: Trying some suggestions:

ALT1 ... that Bern Shanks described the results of a survey he commissioned on fish bycatch as "obscene"?

ALT2 ... that a columnist described Bern Shanks as "the most open and accessible state wildlife chief in memory"?

Other suggestions are welcome too. As for ALT1, I went with "commissioned" but I'm not sure if it's the best verb that fits the relevant information. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:25, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Those are all fine with me. Chetsford (talk) 01:13, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Aaron Kennedy

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• ... that in his first electoral victory, Aaron Kennedy defeated the premier of New Brunswick?

• Source: https://atlantic.ctvnews.ca/more/my-future-has-been-decided-blaine-higgs-loses-seat-as-party-falls-in-n-b-election-1.7082047

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Helliwells Ltd

Created by B3251 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 20 past nominations.

B3251_(talk) 21:26, 22 October 2024 (UTC).

• @B3251: Per a recent rule change, QPQs must now be provided at the time of the nomination; a nomination without a QPQ provided is liable to be closed without warning. Please provide a QPQ as soon as possible, otherwise the nomination may be closed. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 02:33, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Done. B3251_(talk) 03:12, 26 October 2024 (UTC)

National Gingerbread House Competition

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• ... that due to the effects of Hurricane Helene, the National Gingerbread House Competition (pictured) has been canceled for the first time in history?

• Source: In the wake of Hurricane Helene, the Omni Grove Park Inn announced its 32nd annual National Gingerbread House competition. https://www.foxcarolina.com/2024/10/22/omni-grove-park-inn-cancels-national-gingerbread-house-competition/

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Created by Hkeely (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Hkeely (talk) 15:55, 22 October 2024 (UTC).

• Hi Hkeely, welcome to DYK. Interesting article but it is currently below the 1,500 character minimum requirement (see WP:DYKLEN), can it be extended with more content? - Dumelow (talk) 20:20, 22 October 2024 (UTC)

• Hi Dumelow, thank you. I have expanded the article with additional content so that it now surpasses the 1,500 character minimum requirement - Hkeely (talk) 04:17, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Hkeely. The length is now fine, article was created on time (22 October), sources used look to be reliable for the content and I found no issues with overly close paraphrasing, image is good (I trimmed the caption quite a bit). A couple of questions on sourcing:

• I couldn't see in the Fox Carolina source where it said this was the only time the event had been cancelled?
• Can you add a citation in the article for the last sentence of the first paragraph about the TV channels it has been broadcast on?

Apart from that I think this is good to go - Dumelow (talk) 07:32, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Thanks Dumelow. Thank you for checking this and trimming the caption. I've added a citation for the TV channel coverage. The cancelation information is because the contest started in 1992 and this would have been the 32nd annual event. Since there were 31 events prior, that adds up mathematically. I did include new information about the public display portion being canceled during the Covid pandemic in 2020, though judging did continue that year. - Hkeely (talk) 17:47, 23 October 2024 (UTC)

Hi Hkeely, if the first event was held in 1992 and it was held every year then 2024 would have been the 33rd event. There are 32 years between the first and last event but 33 events (see fencepost error) - Dumelow (talk) 08:28, 24 October 2024 (UTC)

@Hkeely: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 15:54, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@Z1720: The competition hosts themselves say that the event started in 1992 and that 2024 would have been the 32nd annual competition. https://www.omnihotels.com/hotels/asheville-grove-park/things-to-do/national-gingerbread-competition I presume this is the case because the first year wasn't actually judged. Hkeely (talk) 19:37, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@Hkeely and Z1720: Sorry for delay in replying. I am not sure that is enough for us to assume it is the first time, but happy if another reviewer thinks it is. Is there an alternative wording we can look at? - Dumelow (talk) 10:22, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

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Bob Hobman

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• ... that in 1984, Bob Hobman and a group began a journey to sail a wooden outrigger boat from the Philippines to Madagascar to recreate a possible voyage by Neolithic humans?

• Source: "TAWI TAWI, Philippines -- On a tropical island miles from nowhere, Robert Hobman's dream is taking shape from a century-old tree chopped down in the jungle.

The British-born adventurer has watched local boatbuilders on the Moslem island of Tawi Tawi carve the hardwood tree into a replica of a ship he believes Southeast Asians used to migrate to Africa hundreds of years before Christ.

Seeking to unravel the mysteries of the migration, Hobman, four other adventurers and a Filipino navigator plan to set sail later this month on a 4,600-mile voyage from Tawi Tawi through the Indonesian Archipelago and across the Indian Ocean to Madagascar."

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• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/KEXC

Created by Thriley (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 151 past nominations.

Thriley (talk) 18:46, 1 November 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook eligibility:

• Cited:
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - "and a group" is a little awkward to me. I suggest ALT1: ...that in 1984, Bob Hobman began a journey to sail a wooden outrigger boat from the Philippines to Madagascar to recreate a possible voyage by Neolithic humans?

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Article is well sourced. I think the intro could be expanded at least to show why he is notable beyond being a sailor (Bob Hobman is a British Australian sailor who... etc). I suggested an alternative hook because I think the phrase "and a group" is awkward. Please let me know your thoughts! PersusjCP (talk) 17:57, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

@Thriley: Please address the above.--Launchballer 12:16, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Abortion in Gabon

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• ... that while supporting a law easing restrictions on abortion in Gabon, Prime Minister Rose Christiane Raponda said "it is not yet the right time" for further legalization?

• Source: [15] The draft amendment to the Penal Code extends the right to voluntary termination of pregnancy to some extent, although it remains highly conditional. "It is not yet the right time" to liberalise it, Ms Ossouka Raponda said.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Talk Talk (Charli XCX song)

Moved to mainspace by Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 19 past nominations.

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 22:45, 23 October 2024 (UTC).

Foreign policy of the Masoud Pezeshkian administration

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• ... that Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian was the first Iranian president to visit Iraqi Kurdistan?

• Source: https://www.newarab.com/news/iranian-president-pezeshkian-visits-iraqi-kurdistan

• ALT1: ... that Iranian President Masoud Pezeshkian was the first Iranian president to attend the 16th BRICS summit following its admission? Source: https://en.irna.ir/news/85637049/BRICS-summit-opens-in-Russia-s-Kazan-with-Iran-s-president-in
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• Comment: First article. I think i've done it right. Just not sure which is the most catch title.
  there is an image of him on his main page, maybe someone can add it it this?

Created by Sportsnut24 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Sportsnut24 (talk) 13:45, 23 October 2024 (UTC).

• Comment from NPP reviewer: Sportsnut24, you should properly format your references using Template:Cite web, instead of simply putting a URL between ref tags. I have left a maintenance template on the article and done one for you – simply follow this format for the others. Best, Toadspike [Talk] 11:25, 5 November 2024 (UTC)
  • I would also note that per the (now deprecated) supplementary guideline D3, that bare URLs should generally not be used for articles, especially when it gets nominated for DYK/GA/FA. JuniperChill (talk) 15:56, 6 November 2024 (UTC)
  • It's actually listed at the latest guidelines at WP:DYKCITE JuniperChill (talk) 15:58, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• @Sportsnut24: Did you resolve the above concern, and is this ready for a review? Z1720 (talk) 15:59, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@JuniperChill: WP:PRESSTV policy is itself based on a deprecated source. Ergo, there is no policy.Sportsnut24 (talk) 12:25, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm confused with what your saying, or you got confused with what you said. While this isn't a full review, deprecated sources are almost never used in articles (Daily Mail is a notable example, and so is Press TV), and are likely not permitted for DYK and you even pointed it out to yourself. I suggest removing them. Another user will give a proper review. JuniperChill (talk) 18:56, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Let's make it clear I'm requesting a review from another user. JuniperChill (talk) 10:29, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

@Sportsnut24: Please address the above.--Launchballer 12:17, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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A Nail Clipper Romance

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• ... that Ekin Cheng delivered his lines in his native Cantonese in the Mandarin-language film A Nail Clipper Romance?

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• ALT1: ... that A Nail Clipper Romance is an extension of a 2010 short film of the same name which starred Zhou Xun? Source:
• ALT2: ... that Zhou Dongyu learned to surf while filming A Nail Clipper Romance in Hawaii? Source:
• ALT3: ... that Tiffany Ann Hsu made a cameo appearance in A Nail Clipper Romance at the invitation of lead actress Zhou Dongyu? Source:
• ALT4: ... that A Nail Clipper Romance marks the directorial debut of cinematographer Jason Kwan? Source:
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/You Are Here (song)

Created by Prince of Erebor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 22 past nominations.

Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 06:17, 24 October 2024 (UTC).

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• Comment: @Prince of Erebor: A few things stand out to me: the poor critical reception/box office performance? is played down in the lead section in a somewhat ingenious way, by emphasizing the positive reviews of the short film it is based upon. I think you should fix that as it presents a neutrality issue. In other words, summarize the reception in the lead, not the previous work. The other thing I noticed is that the article says the film took place in the state of Hawaii several times. While it’s fine to say that at least once, subsequent mention should specify it was filmed specifically on the island of Oahu in and around the city of Honolulu, if the sources can support that. There are also opportunities to link to specific articles about the Chinese population in Hawaii. Leaning towards ALT2 at the moment although I wonder if it can be made more interesting than it is with other details. More later. Viriditas (talk) 18:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Hi Viriditas! Thanks a lot for taking up the review, but I beg to differ with both of your current suggestions. The "positive reviews" in the lead refer to the short film, which explains why a full-length feature was developed afterward, and this is supported by multiple sources. I do not find this description to be faulty. Meanwhile, I have not found any sources that comment on or summarize the critical reception and box office performance. From the current reviews listed, I do not believe it is conclusive that the film was poorly received, as some critics have given it 3.5/5 and expressed various positive opinions on the premise, themes, and performances. Regarding box office performance, it is also subjective to judge whether it is positive or negative, as arthouse films like this one typically gross less than blockbusters. I would summarize the box office performance as poor only if supported by multiple sources, like in Miss Shampoo or The Invincible Dragon. For your second suggestion, I have only mentioned the film being shot in Hawaii once in the filming section. The other mentions focus on different topics, like casting choices or creative decisions based on the demographics of Hawaiians. There are no specific references to the filming locations in Hawaii, so I cannot specify which part of Hawaii the film was shot in. I am also unsure if mentioning the specific location has any bearing on why the crew chose to film there or why Ekin Cheng was willing to join the project. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 18:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

I think you might have misunderstood me. By emphasizing the positive review of a different film in the lead, and ignoring the poor critical reception (3.5 is pretty mediocre, and there are other poor reviews and apparently bad box office results) that presents a neutrality issue. You will want to very briefly note the critical reception of this film in the lead, regardless of the positive reception of the other film. As for Hawaii, there are eight islands in the state. The film industry is in Oahu, but not all films are shot there. Given what we know so far, this entire film was shot on Oahu in and around Honolulu. This should be easy to source. I’m sorry we disagree. Viriditas (talk) 18:46, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Viriditas, I believe we are on the same page. My point is that the characterization of the film's box office performance and critical reception as "poor" is not supported by sources and is purely subjective. I see this as a form of OR. But I understand your concerns, and perhaps it would be better to remove the mention of positive reviews for the short film from the lead instead? Regarding the filming location, could you please provide me with the source that confirms the film was shot in Oahu? I conducted a research quite thoroughly while writing the article and do not recall seeing this mentioned in any English or Chinese RS. Please let me know if I am mistaken or have overlooked any sources. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 19:05, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Let's take it one topic at a time; my old brain doesn't multitask as well as it should. First things first: can you briefly summarize the critical reception in the lead? Viriditas (talk) 19:10, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Viriditas, my answer is no, because I do not see a conclusive consensus among the reviews. Summarizing the box office performance and a handful of critics' opinions subjectively and labeling the film as "poorly received" is a form of WP:SYNTH in my opinion. But if you find the phrase "positive reviews" in the lead to be misleading, I am fine with removing the mention of the short film's reception. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 19:25, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi, I think we might be speaking past each other. Is there any reason you cannot summarize the critical reception section you've written in the body of the article and add it to the lead, to the best of your ability? Just in case you don't know, we summarize "mixed reviews" in the lead all the time. Maybe check out other articles with similar reception? Perhaps you aren't aware of this, which would explain the back and forth. There's several ways to do it, but the most common involve characterizing the type of review in the first part of the sentence ("The film received mixed reviews from critics"), and then in the second part, describing the box office results ("and became a box office bomb"). These are just examples. Viriditas (talk) 19:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Viriditas, I believe we are still on the same page. I am aware that mixed reviews exist, I have used this term in another recent article of mine (Get the Hell Out). In that case, the inclusion was based on a cited Rotten Tomatoes score of 5.9, so it does not involve original research. Many film articles lack a summary of critical reception exactly because of WP:SYNTH. An example that come to mind is Deadpool and Wolverine, where editors voted not to include a critical reception summary in the lead due to concerns about SYNTH. There are also no sources indicating that the film failed at the box office. While it may not have grossed enough to make the list of top grossing films in 2017, that does not equate to it being a box office bomb, and I still see the assertion as a form of OR. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 19:53, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

I am sorry, but it appears that you are still misreading me. Please summarize the critical reception to the best of your ability (as I described above) and place it in the lead section. The specific decision and rationale not to include a critical reception section in Deadpool and Wolverine does not apply here. Further, that film received mostly positive reviews, so the dispute in that particular instance isn't really relevant. We know D&W received a positive, critical reception. One of the problems here is how accurate or inaccurate Metacritic scores are in this regard, and that led to the perception that D&W received a less than positive reception. That's really getting into the weeds, and there's no similar problem here. However, you could ask, did this film receive mostly positive reviews, did it receive mixed reviews, or did it receive poor reviews? Whatever your answer is, please briefly mention it in the lead. By describing a different film as "positive" and ignoring the critical reception in the lead, you are giving readers a false impression of what the reception was actually like. This is a problem. Viriditas (talk) 20:04, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Viriditas, sorry but I believe you are also misreading me. I have already acknowledged your concern that the term "positive reviews" could mislead readers regarding the reception of this film, and I proposed removing the mention of the short film's reception. (But if you find the phrase "positive reviews" in the lead to be misleading, I am fine with removing the mention of the short film's reception.) This should have already addressed your concerns about neutrality or misleading information. The reason a summary was not included in the D&W article is the same rationale for why I am not adding one now. Adding a summary (positive, mixed, negative, whatever) you are suggesting is purely original research and a synthesis of the sources. If there are no sources or review aggregators to support the claim that the article is generally viewed as positive, divisive, or negative by critics, then adding my own assessment of their opinions would be considered SYNTH. I am also somewhat puzzled by this conversation, as identifying OR should be WP editing 101 and my concerns about WP:V should be quite clear. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 20:35, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• The reason a summary was not included in the D&W article is the same rationale for why I am not adding one now. No, it's actually quite different. It is not OR to summarize or to state the critical reception for this film in the lead and there's literally no connection to the arguments made in the D&W article, which received overwhelmingly positive reviews. This is why ignoring the critical reception in the lead for D&W is the default, as it received mostly positive, not negative feedback. I can assure you, if D&W had received a negative reception, the default would have been to mention that. By not mentioning it in D&W, the reader is not given information about negative reception. Do you see how this works? The opposite is true here. You are free, of course, to do what you like, but priming the reader with mentioning a "positive" review of an altogether different film while ignoring the poor to mediocre, to mixed reviews (and box office performance) of this film is a neutrality issue. I'm once again sorry that we see this so differently. Perhaps you will find others to agree with your position. Viriditas (talk) 20:42, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Viriditas, I must respectfully disagree with you. The editors who participated in the survey for the D&W article specifically discussed issues related to synthesis. While the film may seem overwhelmingly positive to you, there are also negative reviews out there. In fact, all four wording options discussed in that survey addressed the non-positive, divisive reviews. By not mentioning it in D&W, the reader is not given information about negative reception. The current critical response section also included negative reviews from like San Francisco Chronicle, The Hollywood Reporter, and one-star review from The Irish Times. So no, that is not the case. It is because reviews from an opposite stance exist, a positive/mixed reception summary would not be appropriate. This echoes my point that adding a subjective summary suggesting that the film underperformed based on what you and I think, constitutes original research. I have also repeatedly acknowledged your concern that the positive reception of the short film in the lead is misleading and have offered to remove that line. (I have rephrased it just now and I hope this address your concerns.) So I do not really see a reason to continue adding a summary of the reception and box office performance. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 20:54, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• That's definitely an improvement, but I do want to say that I see zero relationship between the argument made in the D&W discussion, which defaults to the absence of negative critical commentary in the lead based on all of the available evidence, as well as an indication that the critical reception was first and foremost controversial, and this article, which did not receive a positive reception and where the critical reception was not controversial. There's literally no comparison. I get that you are making this comparison, but it doesn't exist, IMO. Now, if you think the critical reception of this film was controversial, I am happy to review the matter, and if true, that is indeed, a supporting argument for keeping it out of the lead. But as far as I can tell, the critics and the audiences didn't like this film and it performed poorly at the box office. By keeping this out of the lead, it gives the impression of a neutrality problem. Now, with all that said, the question becomes, does it need to be in the lead? Aside from obvious controversies where representing the critical reception is difficult or disputed (i.e. D&W), I would say yes, but with the additional caveat that local consensus, as we've seen with D&W, can override this, particularly in instances where the default position doesn't deviate from the overall reception. It might help to get clarification from the film project talk page on this. They are usually pretty active, even during the holidays. The NPOV noticeboard might even be a better place, I don't know. However, keeping it out of the lead does not appear neutral to me at all. More so, if the sources emphasize that the film was received poorly with critics and the box office. So we are still divided on this subtopic. I would prefer to work towards an agreement on this with you, but I don't think that's going to happen. One other thing: have you added critical reception to the lead before in your other film articles that notes a poor, mediocre, or mixed reception status? If so, what makes this article different than the others? If not, why not? Your careful reasoning and answer to those two questions could conceivably bring me over to your side, leading me to drop this. Viriditas (talk) 21:20, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Viriditas , sorry, but I still only see you asserting that critics and audiences didn't like this film and that it performed poorly at the box office. Based on what is currently in the article, there are at least some positive to mediocre reviews, and the total gross exceeds the film's budget. It is hardly accurate to describe it as having a negative reception or being a box office bomb. Labeling the film in this way is just your subjective judgement based on what you have seen about the film and it truly harms the article's neutrality. While if the reception is mixed and the box office performance is merely average, whether or not to mention these is unrelated to neutrality and I do not see the urge to add such phrases. I am generally open to adding or removing content from articles, like I would be happy to include the precise filming locations you mentioned if sources are available, but this just seems like original research to me. I also do not see the necessity to escalate this, as again, I think this is WP editing 101. But I would not object to seeking a third opinion.
• Regarding your final question, yes, I certainly do. Examples include positive reviews for Mongrel (2024 film), mixed reviews for Get the Hell Out, and negative reviews for The Invincible Dragon. My rationale for adding a summary is based on the existence of a conclusive consensus among critics' opinions. For these articles, there are Rotten Tomatoes scores, which aggregate all critical reviews and can be interpreted as the consensus of the majority of critics. There are exceptions, like 18×2 Beyond Youthful Days, where multiple reputable sources describe the film as both a box office and critical success. But in this case, there is neither a consensus summarized by review aggregators nor multiple reliable sources. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 21:52, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Was this film a box office success or a box office bomb? In other words, did it break even by a large amount? When you look at the budget and compare it to the raw, unadjusted revenue, it looks like the film made US $34,000 dollars. Perhaps I'm reading this wrong? Also, your own source says it did poorly at the box office and implies it lost money because in that market romantic films do poorly. We're still not on the same page. I have not fully analyzed the critical reviews just yet so I'm keeping that separate until later. But it appears that in terms of the box office, the sources say it did not do well. Viriditas (talk) 22:18, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• @Viriditas: Yes, you have read things wrong. The film had a budget of USD$386,000 (HKD$3 million) excluding government funding, and grossed approximately USD$620,000 (RMB$4.49 million). I would not classify it as a box office success, and I am not well-versed in the film industry and cannot determine how much profit or loss the production company made based on these figures. However, it is common sense that a gross greater than the budget would not typically qualify as a box office bomb. Regarding the translated source, it refers to Zhou Dongyu's other film The Breaking Ice (燃冬), not this one (A Nail Clipper Romance; 指甲刀人魔). I am the one who added that source so of course I know what was written there... I have found no sources indicating that this film was a "box office failure". Please share any you might find. To be honest, I am starting to find this discussion somewhat pointless, as neither of us seems able to convince the other. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 22:31, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• This article (and your source) currently says the budget was HKD$4.9 million (US 629,714) which would give it a gross profit of $34k. Take at look at the article you wrote. Viriditas (talk) 22:41, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• 4.9 million including government funding, 3 million excluding. Do you really think I do not know what I typed in the article??
• Okay Viriditas, let me be clear. I believe your request to add a subjective summary labeling the film as poorly received and a box office failure constitutes blatant original research and violates WP:V. Your concerns about WP:NPOV have already been addressed with the removal of the short film's reception (which was actually sourced) from the lead. Even if a summary were included, it would only reflect "mixed reviews" and "average box office performance", which does not relate to your concerns about misleading or sugarcoating the film's actual reception. Since not adding a summary would no longer have anything to do with WP:NPOV, but adding one could impact both verifiability and neutrality imo, I refuse to include these policy-violating claims in the article. So we can either continue the review and set this issue aside, as your concerns have been adequately addressed, or you may choose to seek a third opinion, though I believe that is totally unnecessary. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 22:55, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

I don’t know why you think summarizing the critical reception in the lead is a policy violation. That is an extremely unusual idea. Last comment to address the previous ones I ignored: "If a film released in theatres fails to break even by a large amount, it is considered a box-office bomb." List of biggest box-office bombs lists dozens of films that made more than their budget. That is neither here nor there. To address your previous point, you said I was citing material about a different film, but looking at it again after your criticism, it appears to be referring to this film. Here’s the material I was referring to: 和关智斌、张孝全等人主演的《指甲刀人魔》票房449.9万元。事实证明，演员能不能扛票房真的不好说，有运气和选剧本的能力左右，比如吴京主演的《巨齿鲨2》票房不如第一部，还有沈腾演出的《超能一家人》票房才3亿多，所以没有演员敢拍着胸膛说自己主演的电影票房一定大卖。当然周冬雨主演票房很低的电影，其实制作成本可能也不是很高，但绝对都亏损。周冬雨很少演出商业大片，所以她的票房都不怎么样，爱情片的票房本身就不是很高，特别偏文艺片的电影。If that means something else, let me know. My reading of this (当然周冬雨主演票房很低的电影，其实制作成本可能也不是很高，但绝对都亏损。周冬雨很少演出商业大片，所以她的票房都不怎么样，爱情片的票房本身就不是很高，特别偏文艺片的电影) is that it is referring to both films. Also, throughout this discussion you have insisted that I have wanted to add a qualitative statement to the lead, but you ignored the original question mark in my initial comment, identifying that I don’t know what that statement should actually be. I’ve tried to explain this to you, but you keep repeating the same thing for some odd reason. The questions remain: "how did critics receive this film and how well did it do at the box office?" As the reader, I wanted to know the answer. When I read the lead, I expected to find out, only to discover than an altogether different film received a positive reception, not this one. That is my last and final comment on this matter. Viriditas (talk) 23:15, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Viriditas, yes, I have already mentioned that the source did not address this. The source lists the box office grosses of Zhou Dongyu's entire filmography, ranging from A Fangirl's Romance at USD 329,000 to Embrace Again at USD 129 million. Even if you are viewing it through Google Translate, you can still see the listings and it is separated into different paragraphs. So the statements you quoted obviously do not refer to A Nail Clipper Romance, otherwise the $129 million gross would also become a box office failure. And no, I did not ignore your statements. I have repeatedly mentioned that mixed reviews fall under SYNTH as well, but you have repeatedly focused on the poor reception you perceive in your replies, which is why I feel the need to address it more often than the other potential stances. —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 23:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• I said I wasn't going to revisit the above, so I won't. The problem of synth in regards to critical reception in lead sections was a specific, local consensus problem for D&W, not for other film articles. This was because of the unique set of circumstances regarding the sources. This was made clear in the responses by the participants. You are extrapolating the result of an article content page RFC out to all film leads. That's not how an article-specific RFC works at all. See WP:LOCALCONSENSUS. It may be wise to get some input from the larger film community over at their project page. Viriditas (talk) 23:59, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Addendum or coda: Derek Elley: "The film was shot back in late 2014 on Oahu island, around Honolulu. The Chinese title literally means “The Nail-Cutter Human Devil”. In the Mainland the film crashed and burned, grossing a tiny RMB4.5 million."[16] Viriditas (talk) 00:08, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Viriditas, this will be my final response on this issue as well, as I do not find this conversation progressing in a meaningful way. The reason I mentioned D&W is that you brought up "other articles". Just in case you don't know, we summarize "mixed reviews" in the lead all the time. Maybe check out other articles with similar reception? Therefore, I raised another article that also has a divisive reception and involved thorough discussions among editors regarding the decision to omit the reception summary, that aligns with the rationale I am proposing here. My intention was to provide a noteworthy example, one that is more high-traffic and has a relatively large number of participants in the RFC, to ensure we are on the same page and that the summary is not left out for other reasons or merely reflecting the consensus of a handful of random editors. Of course, I understand if you view the concerns raised by the editors in that RFC as specific to that article and reflective of a mere local consensus, as context always matters. I only hope this gives you a clearer picture of my and at least some editors' perspectives about the potential SYNTHiness in the lead reception summary. D&W is just an example, synthesis is my main point, and I have explained my rationale on adding these summaries as well. Perhaps we have different interpretations of the definition of OR, which is perfectly fine, as editors often have varying views on WP guidelines. I have already offered to remove the potentially NPOV-violating weasel words that has disturbed you multiple times (since my second reply), in hopes of truly addressing the issues. However, you have ignored this and instead continue to push for the addition of a summary that you deem necessary, without fully addressing why you believe SYNTH does not apply to the reception summary in this case, convincing me that the poor reception is supported by RS rather than personal opinions, or providing a new rationale after the NPOV concerns have been addressed. Therefore, as I said, while I would not object to seeking a third opinion to move this review forward, I still find it unnecessary because, to me, this is a clear case of SYNTH, and I do not find it beneficial to continue wasting time on it.
• Regarding the source, Sino-Cinema.com appeared to be a WP:RSPWORDPRESS blog to me. But upon checking the author, I would not object that Derek Elley may be considered a SME due to his career at Variety, and the filming locations are not controversial claims that would require the best, reputable sources, so I will treat this as a SPS. It is a nice addition, as it even details the filming period as late 2014, while the Screen Daily source only vaguely suggested the timeframe. I have added it to the article. Thanks for your finding!! —Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 04:55, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Second opinion requested. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 11:28, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Soviet atrocities committed against prisoners of war during World War II

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• ... that during World War II, Soviet atrocities against prisoners of war included the murder of tens of thousands of Polish and hundreds of thousands of Axis (mostly German) soldiers? Source: https://www.google.co.kr/books/edition/From_Incarceration_to_Repatriation/8t3zEAAAQBAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&dq=Overmans+German+POWs+death+toll+million&pg=PA2&printsec=frontcover and https://books.google.com/books?id=PZXvUuvfv-oC&dq=Soviet+invasion+of+Poland+1939&pg=PA20 , among others
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Neknampur Lake

Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 531 past nominations.

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:15, 24 October 2024 (UTC).

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Overall: Looks great! Very good work, thank you. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 17:38, 27 October 2024 (UTC)

I'm concerned about fundamental issues with POV and NOR with this article, please see my comment on talk. In terms of the hook, although "murder" is probably an appropriate word when dealing with the (unsanctioned) executions of enemy combatants by Soviet forces, it's not clear whether it's appropriate to describe the high mortality rate caused largely by the dire humanitarian situation in the Soviet Union (which also caused the deaths of many Soviet civilians in this same era). Hooks are expected to be neutral, but this one is one-sided. Multiple sources are cited and it's unclear where the comparison cited in the hook is made, or whether it's a calculation by Wikipedia editors. Overall I would not pass this DYK. (t · c) buidhe 06:34, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

I replied on talk there; I don't believe any issues you raise here are relevant for the DYK. The article is not tagged for NPOV issues, nor I can see why it should be, given your rather vague concerns. The basic term murder is indeed uncontroversial and commonly used in sources cited and listed here, which serve to confirm the basic facts mentioned in the hook; and the estimates cited are also uncontroversial; I opted to use broader ranges rather then precise figures for readability. For sources that mention Katyn and German POWs together, there are numerous, including, again, many of the ones cited in the article. Others: [17], [18], etc. TL;DR the topic is obviously notable (take it to AfD if you disagree) and the hook simply summarizes some uncontroversial but prominent and attention-grabbing details. PS. I feel the hook is perfectly neutral; what would make it less "one sided"? The mention that USSR did not kill all of the POWs it held? Are you seriously trying to argue that the murder of Polish officers at Katyn was motivated by "the dire humanitarian situation in the Soviet Union"? (And yes, as the article states, the deaths of some of the German POWs were attributed to that situation - but this detail is too niche and uninteresting for the hook). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:37, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

If the sources call it murder, then murder it is. I don’t see a valid controversy here. — Biruitorul ^Talk 09:12, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't think anyone would disagree that some of these deaths (such as the Katyn massacre) can indeed be called "murder". However, I see no evidence or quotes that indicate, as the hook implies, that hundreds of thousands of deaths (particularly those caused more by supply shortages in the Soviet Union than a deliberate, malicious Soviet government policy) can be deemed to be "murder" in wiki voice. Insofar as murders were committed against Axis prisoners of war, the hook misleadingly suggests that the Soviet government ordered them, rather than front line troops deciding to shoot prisoners on their own initiative. In order for this hook to meet DYK's POV rules, we would have to establish that it's a consensus, or at least majority, view. I know there are similar controversies when it comes to the Soviet prisoners of war held by Germany, with some scholars disagreeing that "mass killing" is an appropriate designation, and "mass death" is more accurate. Apparently Piotrus does not like me commenting here, but I wish to maintain the integrity of what we post at DYK by pointing out POV and VER issues that I see on any DYK I come across, regardless of who started it. The google books links above don't help me, please quote exactly where in these sources it says that "hundreds of thousands" of Axis POWs were murdered by the Soviet government. (t · c) buidhe 07:02, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

The issue can be fixed easily by removing the mention of Axis soldiers and just mentioning the Polish deaths, which you yourself agree can be described as "murder(ed)" (and which very much were ordered by the Soviet rulers, although the hook is never implied who was responsible in the Soviet hierarchy). See ALT1 below and a slightly longer ALT1a2 mentioning other nationalities, without a number and the term "murder" you dispute; pinging original reviewer so they can comment on it. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:43, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• ALT1 ... that during World War II, Soviet atrocities against prisoners of war included the murder of tens of thousands of Polish soldiers?
• ALT1a ... that during World War II, Soviet atrocities against prisoners of war included the murder of tens of thousands of Polish soldiers in the Katyn massacre?

• ALT2 ... that during World War II, Soviet atrocities against prisoners of war included the murder of tens of thousands of Polish soldiers, as well as deaths of many more POWs of other nationalities?

PS. Forgot to @Zanahary:. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:44, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I think ALT1a is best. ꧁Zanahary꧂ 08:37, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

@Buidhe: Do any of the alts satisfy your concerns? Z1720 (talk) 15:03, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't think any of these make particularly good hooks, because they are focused on a specific, notable event that has its own article with the DYK'd article mention awkwardly jammed in. Also, I'm unsure if the article meets WP:DYKTAG, given that the concerns I raised on the talk page remain unresolved. Namely, that a casual reader is likely to walk away with the impression that the dire humanitarian situation for prisoners of war was mainly caused by intentional "atrocities" on the part of the Soviet government, an interpretation that is contradicted by some of the sources cited in the article. (t · c) buidhe 17:58, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

You are welcome to propose an alt hook. DYKTAG does not apply since the article is stable (there is no edit war and no tags), just a very slow talk page discussion (in which you have not participated for nearly two weeks, and in which nobody else supports you). Other than that your concerns here are vague and not supported by consensus, and I once again ask you to avoid commenting at my DYKs, given how badly you reacted to my mild criticism of your FAC. As I said elsewhere, I will not comment on your DYKs, and I ask you to do the same for me. @Z1720: I'd like to respectfully ask for another reviewer to offer a second third opinion or for a DYK admin to moderate or comment what to do when a DYK is passed by one reviewer, then criticized by another one (who is involved in a number of content disputes in other articles with the nom, i.e. me). PS. Noting comment below, please note we have three people (including me) supporting ALT1a. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:01, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I also support ALT1a. It points to the content of the article while being catchy enough to encourage readers to click. I don't share buidhe's objections; I don't see anything 'jammed in' here.Marcelus (talk) 08:31, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

@Marcelus: would you approve this hook? If so, add a green DYK tick below. @Zanahary: do you have any concerns with this hook? @Buidhe: I see that you have concerns, particularly around the article's POV and missing information. If no other editors post concerns, then consensus would be to approve this. If this is approved, at least two more reviewers (the promoter and an admin for the prep-to-queue) will look at the nomination and, if they share concerns, the hook will be pulled and we will discuss the issue. If anyone else has concerns or comments, they are welcome to post below. I have not reviewed the article myself, but rather I am interpreting the above discussion. Z1720 (talk) 13:28, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 25

Boxheim Documents

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SPD poster for the 1932 Prussian state election using these documents to attack the NSDAP

• ... that in 1931, Werner Best drafted for the Nazi Party the plans for a coup?

• Source: Press and Politics in the Weimar Republic. OUP Oxford. pp. 186–187.

• ALT1: ... that under a Nazi plan for a coup, Jews were to be deprived of food rations? Source: https://www.jta.org/archive/jews-to-be-starved-out-if-hitlerists-come-to-power-boxheim-documents-were-authentic-official-statem
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Created by Jean Po (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Jean Po (talk) 15:40, 25 October 2024 (UTC).

• The article was made on the 25th, so is new enough. At many times the required length, it is long enough. The article reads neutrally and properly uses in-line citations. The copyvio detector finds nothing outside of explicit quotes in the article. Both hooks are interesting and cited in-line and utilized properly from the listed sources. The suggested image is in the public domain and visibly identifiable. No QPQ needs to be done. Looks good to go! Silverseren^C 01:20, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

@Jean Po, Silver seren, and Crisco 1492: I have pulled this hook on interestingness grounds. There is nothing whatsoever unusual about Nazis treating Jews poorly.--Launchballer 21:46, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Okay, what about the original hook? I think that the Nazis were planning a full out coup, rather than their (admitted coerced through other events) political victory later, is interesting, particularly the effects that had at the time of the reveal of this plan. Silverseren^C 22:11, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

No comment on interestingness, but I have tagged uncited material in the article. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 16:17, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

@Jean Po: Please address the above.--Launchballer 01:25, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 27

Bob Hainlen

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• ... that Bob Hainlen, one of the youngest players for the Wilmington Clippers professional football team, was also the team's assistant coach?

• Source: News Journal

• ALT1: ... that football player Bob Hainlen, although only 17 years old and the youngest starting quarterback in his college's history, was described as already being a "master" of the position? Source: quote from this article ("he handles passing assignments, and play-calling like a master") + this for being youngest in school history
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Xinwen Bao
• Comment: QPQ to be done within 24 hours.

Improved to Good Article status by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 267 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:51, 3 November 2024 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on October 28

Gilopez Kabayao

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• ... that violinist Gilopez Kabayao was the first Filipino to perform at New York's Carnegie Hall in 1950?

• Source: "As the first Filipino violinist to perform at the prestigious Carnegie Hall in New York in 1950, Gilopez Kabayao broke new ground and brought pride to the nation." —Philippine Daily Inquirer / Inquirer.net; "He performed in prestigious venues, including Carnegie Hall in New York in 1950, making him the first Filipino violinist to do so." —SunStar

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Anatolii Brezvin
• Comment: Many sources state that Kabayao's Carnegie Hall performance in 1950 was done when he was 19 years old, but this is impossible if he was born in 1929 so I omitted this from the article and therefore the hook. This error might affect the hook under WP:EXCEPTIONAL and especially since a different source (Manila Bulletin) says, "Kabayao is widely believed to be the first Filipino to play at the prestigious Carnegie Hall in New York City".

Created by Seav (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

seav (talk) 23:53, 3 November 2024 (UTC).

Chromakopia

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• ... that the physical version of Chromakopia contains an extra song?

• Source: https://www.billboard.com/music/rb-hip-hop/playboi-carti-tyler-the-creator-chromakopia-vinyl-edition-1235814610/

... that Tyler's album-related truck could be seen in Tyler?

• Source: https://www.ketk.com/news/local-news/trucks-promoting-new-tyler-the-creator-album-spotted-in-tyler/

5x expanded by MontanaMako (talk).

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Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

MontanaMako (talk) 21:50, 30 October 2024 (UTC).

• Would suggest that new hooks be proposed. The current hook is unlikely to be perceived as interesting by non-specialist readers, as it lacks context regarding the subject and in particular why a reader should be interested in it. Plus, digital and physical versions being different is not unheard of anyway, so it's not even that unusual. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:49, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5; just added a new one. Is it any better? MontanaMako (talk) 16:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Please respond to the above. Z1720 (talk) 16:08, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Will leave the decision to another reviewer, but it's better than the original. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 18:05, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

New reviewer needed. Z1720 (talk) 15:08, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Zeng Laishun

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Zeng, c. 1880s

• ... that Zeng Laishun (pictured) was the first Chinese person to attend college in the United States?

• Source: Rhoads, Edward J. M. (2011) Stepping Forth into the World: The Chinese Educational Mission to the United States, 1872–81. Pg. 3

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Checheyigen

Moved to mainspace by Generalissima (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 87 past nominations.

Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 21:33, 28 October 2024 (UTC).

• I didn't know he was the first - this is definitely cool and DYK worthy! Blervis (talk) 04:44, 30 October 2024 (UTC)
  • @Blervis: If this is a review, make sure to follow the steps at Wikipedia:Did you know/Reviewer instructions; check the source (if possible), and make sure the article fits the DYK criteria. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 04:56, 30 October 2024 (UTC)

Comment to the reviewer: given that this is a "first" hook, and a pretty exceptional one at that, please be sure to check if the sources adequately support the claim, and see if counterexamples can be found. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:14, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Since Blervis looks like a pretty new reviewer, and this is a hook with higher sourcing standards than usual, should I put this up for second opinion? I think that might be a good idea. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 04:33, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

We can have a second opinion from an experienced editor, who at the same time could try teaching Blervis the ropes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:36, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like a good idea. Generalissima (talk) (it/she) 05:17, 5 November 2024 (UTC)

• Thinking about it, given how exceptional the claim is and how difficult it seems to verify it and ensure it isn't inaccurate, I would suggest proposing different angles. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:27, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

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Karl Thielscher

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• ... that within a year of playing in the NFL for the Buffalo All-Americans, Karl Thielscher was an NFL official for All-Americans games?

• Source: played in 1920 - officiated in 1921

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Anthony F. Ciampi
• Comment: QPQ to be done within 24 hours.

Improved to Good Article status by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 268 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC).

Tommy Suggs

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• ... that Tommy Suggs recommended using Also sprach Zarathustra from 2001: A Space Odyssey as the South Carolina Gamecocks football team's entrance music because he saw Elvis Presley do it first?

• Source: South Carolina Athletics Department

• ALT1: ... that as the starting quarterback of the 1969 South Carolina Gamecocks football team, Tommy Suggs led the program to its first and only conference championship? Source: The Post and Courier
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Miracle in Motown

Created by JJonahJackalope (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 53 past nominations.

JJonahJackalope (talk) 02:27, 31 October 2024 (UTC).

7th National Eucharistic Congress (United States)

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• ... that the future USS Wolverine was used as a hotel during the 7th National Eucharistic Congress in Cleveland?

• Source: "Akron School Children Plan To Attend Eucharistic Mass". The Akron Beacon Journal. Sep 24, 1935. p. 24. Retrieved 30 October 2024. "Pilgrims Shaken". The Cincinnati Post. Sep 24, 1935. p. 1. Retrieved 30 October 2024.

• ALT1: ... that the Seeandbee, later renovated into the aircraft carrier USS Wolverine, was used as a hotel during the 7th National Eucharistic Congress in Cleveland? Source: "Akron School Children Plan To Attend Eucharistic Mass". The Akron Beacon Journal. Sep 24, 1935. p. 24. Retrieved 30 October 2024. "Pilgrims Shaken". The Cincinnati Post. Sep 24, 1935. p. 1. Retrieved 30 October 2024.
• ALT2: ... that a ship used as an aircraft carrier during World War II was used as a hotel during the 7th National Eucharistic Congress in 1935? Source: "Akron School Children Plan To Attend Eucharistic Mass". The Akron Beacon Journal. Sep 24, 1935. p. 24. Retrieved 30 October 2024. "Pilgrims Shaken". The Cincinnati Post. Sep 24, 1935. p. 1. Retrieved 30 October 2024.
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• Comment: I can email a PDF of the source to anyone reviewing; just shoot me an email. Open to rephrasing hooks if you have any suggestions!

Moved to mainspace by Maximilian775 (talk) and Darth Stabro (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 21:55, 30 October 2024 (UTC).

Charel Allen

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• ... that basketball player Charel Allen scored more points in high school than NCAA all-time leading scorer Caitlin Clark?

• Source: [19]

• ALT1: ... in high school, basketball player Charel Allen scored more points than NCAA all-time leading scorer Caitlin Clark?

• Source: [20]

• ALT2: ... that basketball player Charel Allen was a five-time Bulgarian Cup champion despite only knowing a few words of Bulgarian?

• Sources: Five-time champ, "a few words", further context on language barrier: "Halftime speeches are usually all in Bulgarian,” Allen said of the language barrier. “Coach (Stefan Mihaylov) trusts me, though. With my knowledge of the game, I know what he's saying and what we need to do. If not, he'll translate for me later and let me know what I needed to do."]

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/John Hawks (architect)

Created by WikiOriginal-9 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 14:17, 30 October 2024 (UTC).

• The article is new enough at the time of the nomination and is adequately sourced. It also meets the length requirements. All hooks are cited inline. However, while Clark is a big name right now in the US, ALT2 might have more international appeal and is otherwise slightly less reliant on "specialist" information, so that would be my preferred hook. QPQ has been done. There is some minor close paraphrasing with this page, which will need to be addressed before this can be approved. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:12, 28 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Could you be more specific on the paraphrasing? ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:15, 29 November 2024 (UTC)
    • I guess the copyvio detector doesn't like "averaged 26.1 points, 10.5 rebounds, 5.0 assists and 6.4 steals" but I'm not sure if there's a better way to write that. That's the standard order those stats are always placed in. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:47, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

It was giving a 50%+ score when I checked, no idea why it went down this time. Apart from what you mentioned there's also "double major in sociology and computer applications", though I'm not sure if there's a good way to rephrase that. Earwig doesn't seem to like the awards names either. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:51, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

I just slightly reworded two things and it went up to 40% -.- ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 01:59, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

It's at 16% now. That's probably okay. ~WikiOriginal-9~ (talk) 02:11, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on October 31

Gifted (2022 novella)

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• ... that in 2022, all five book nominations for the Akutagawa Prize were written by women, including former Japanese adult actress Suzumi Suzuki, who wrote Gifted after her own experiences?

• Source: (Translated from Japanese to English)

Suzuki Suzumi, whose book "Gifted" (Bungeishunju) was nominated for the 167th Akutagawa Prize, says that while her unexpected background has attracted attention, it has also led to prejudice and labelling.

For the first time in history, only female writers have been nominated for the 167th Akutagawa Prize, which will be announced on July 20th. Among them, Suzuki Suzumi, who was nominated for "Gifted," made her AV debut while studying at Keio University. After that, she worked for a newspaper company and graduated from the University of Tokyo, and is now active as a writer and columnist, which has attracted attention for her unusual career.

Source: Oricon News (https://www.oricon.co.jp/special/59840/)

• • ALT1: ... that former adult film actress Suzumi Suzuki pivoted to writing literature in 2022 with her novel, Gifted, which became one of five books nominated for the Akutagawa Prize that year? Source: Same as first source
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Created by Phibeatrice (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Phibeatrice (talk) 00:51, 4 November 2024 (UTC).

• If anything, the fact that the writer of the novel is a former adult film actress is the interesting part here, not the award (which not all readers may recognize, even if it's prestigious). Suggesting a far simpler hook:

ALT3 ... that the 2022 novel Gifted was written by a former adult film actress?

Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:51, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• Interesting to whom? I much prefer the longer hooks which give more information. "former actress writes book" is not very interesting. "former actress writes book nominated for major prize" has more to offer. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 19:50, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

ALT4 ... that former Japanese adult actress Suzumi Suzuki's book Gifted was nominated for the Akutagawa Prize in 2022? Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:08, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

@Mary Mark Ockerbloom: WP:DYKTRIM is the relevant guideline. Oftentimes, but not always, the shortest and simplest hooks are the best. There are times when hooks do need additional context, but generally speaking, we tend to target the widest audience possible with hooks that require the least amount of specialist information. The issue I have with the prize angle is that readers may not know that it is a prestigious award or even be familiar with it, making the angle less accessible. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Presumably then, they will have an added incentive to click through and find out. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 15:37, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Numerous ALT hooks have been proposed: a reviewer is needed to ensure that they and this article are approved. Z1720 (talk) 15:12, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Details Cannot Body Wants

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• ... that Singapore's first R-rated play was performed despite the police finding it "offensive"?

• Source: https://eresources.nlb.gov.sg/newspapers/digitised/article/straitstimes19920909-1.2.63.3.1

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• Comment: The article mentions the Public Entertainment Licensing Unit, which is part of the Singapore Police Force. Source: https://www.police.gov.sg/e-Services/Police-Licences/Public-Entertainment-Licence

Created by Imbluey2 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Imbluey2. Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 06:29, 2 November 2024 (UTC).

Backflip (figure skating)

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French figure skater Surya Bonaly

• ... that the first backflip in figure skating done at the Olympics was in 1998 by French skater Surya Bonaly, even though it was an illegal move? Source: Walker, Rhiannon (18 February 2022). "Forgotten Fridays: In Her Last Olympic Competition, Surya Bonaly Pulled Something Special out of Her Back Pocket". The New York Times.
  • ALT1: ... that the backflip ban in figure skating was lifted in 2024, when it and other "somersault type jumps” were removed from the International Skating Union's list of restricted moves and elements? Source: Skretta, Dave (15 October 2024)."That's Flippin' Amazing! Figure Skating Grand Prix Season Begins with Backflips No Longer Banned". ABC News.
  • Reviewed: Pablo Barragán

Created by Figureskatingfan (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 51 past nominations.

Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 16:47, 1 November 2024 (UTC).

Zhu Baosan

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Zhu Baosan

• ... that the fortune left by Zhu Baosan (pictured) was reported to have been greatly diminished by his philanthropic activities?

• Source: "The Mourning Ceremonies for Mr. Chu Pao-san". The North-China Herald. 6 November 1926. p. 257. "Although Mr. Chu Pao-san was a successful merchant and had such numerous business interests, friends believe that he left only a small fortune, as his contributions to charity were so large."

• ALT1: ... that the business interests of Zhu Baosan (pictured) ranged from banking and insurance to shipping and coal mining? Source: "The Mourning Ceremonies for Mr. Chu Pao-san". The North-China Herald. 6 November 1926. p. 257. "He promoted the Commercial’ Bank of China, the Ningpo Commercial Bank, the Chekiang Industrial Bank and the Chung Hua Commercial. and Savings Bank. He was an organizer of the Wah An Fire and Marine Insurance Company, the Wah Sing Insurance Company, and the China United Assurance Society. He was a director of the Liu Kiang and Chang Hsin Mining Companies. He was interested in the Nantao Tramway Company, the Tinghai Electric [Construction “Company” and the Chousan Electric Company. He was a director of the Chousan Steam Navigation Company, the Yung An Steamship Company, the Yung Leo Shipping Company, 'the Chang Ko Navigation Company, the Ta Tah Navigation Company and in several other shipping interests. He was a prominent shareholder in many cotton and flour mills, pap factories and other industrial enterprises."
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Flag of Falcón state (1 of 2)

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 700 past nominations.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 22:58, 31 October 2024 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 1

Museiliha inscription

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• ... that the Museiliha inscription, a boundary marker from the first century AD, hints at a Roman legal judgment setting boundaries between ancient Caesarea-ad-Libanum and Gigarta?

• Source: de Ruggiero 1893, p. 443.
  Louvre Museum, 2024

• ALT1: ... that the Museiliha inscription, a boundary marker from the first century AD, helped delineate ancient territories between the citizens of Caesarea-ad-Libanum and the Gigartans? Source: Renan 1864, p. 149.
  Mommsen, Hirschfeld & Domaszewski 1873, p. 31, insc. 183.
  Louvre Museum, 2024
• ALT2: ... that the Museiliha inscription, a boundary marker from the first century AD, is considered a rare ancient example of a documented border dispute? Source: de Ruggiero 1893, p. 443.
  Louvre Museum, 2024
• ALT3: ... that the Museiliha inscription, a boundary marker from the first century AD, includes carefully erased names, likely of Roman officials? Source: Mancini 1884, pp. 71–72.
  Louvre Museum, 2024
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Abu Sulayman Da'ud

Created by Elias Ziade (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 38 past nominations.

el.ziade (talkallam) 10:12, 6 November 2024 (UTC).

1931 Barcelona rent strike

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• ... that in 1931, residents of Barcelona called a rent strike?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jewish dairy restaurant
  • Comment: Driveby nom.

Created by Michalis Vazaios (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 257 past nominations.

Launchballer 13:43, 5 November 2024 (UTC).

• Article is new enough, long enough and adequately sourced, including the hook. QPQ done. Automated and spot checks find no copyvios or plagiarism. Only issue is that the hook is not that interesting. Maybe

• • ALT1: That the 1931 Barcelona rent strike involved 100,000 families and led to 18 deaths? Valenciano (talk) 19:48, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Sure. Might I also suggest ALT2: ... that the 1931 Barcelona rent strike resulted in 18 deaths, dozens of injuries and arrests, and an agreement on the reduction of rents?--Launchballer 20:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@Valenciano: Could you please assess ALT2?--Launchballer 02:22, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

I'm sorry I missed your reply. ALT2 is fine, the 18 deaths sources to the El Pais article, which is behind a paywall so I took that in good faith (and verified it in other sources anyway.) Valenciano (talk) 10:32, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@Valenciano: Are all of your concerns resolved, and is this approved? If not, what else needs to be done? Z1720 (talk) 15:14, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes. All good to go. Valenciano (talk) 19:31, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Tel al-Sultan attack

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• ... that American missiles were used to bomb a displacement camp in Rafah?

• Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/29/world/middleeast/israel-us-rafah-bombs.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/14/world/europe/carnage-and-contradiction-examining-a-deadly-strike-in-rafah.html

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Improved to Good Article status by Personisinsterest (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Personisinsterest (talk) 12:25, 1 November 2024 (UTC).

• I'd like to propose some alternative hooks, if that's okay:

  • ALT1: ... that the "Kuwaiti Peace" tent camp, struck by Israeli fighter jets, was located only 200 meters from the largest UNRWA humanitarian aid storage warehouse in the Gaza Strip? Source: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hamas-rockets-central-israel-gaza-strip-sirens/
  • ALT2:... that a viral image showing tents in Rafah arranged to spell "All Eyes on Rafah" called for global attention to the humanitarian crisis following the Tel al-Sultan attack? Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/05/29/world/middleeast/all-eyes-on-rafah.html
  • ALT3: ... that the Tel al-Sultan attack was the deadliest incident of the Rafah offensive? Source: https://www.axios.com/2024/05/27/rafah-tent-camp-strike-biden-israel-red-line

Smallangryplanet (talk) 09:24, 2 November 2024 (UTC)

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Naz Arıcı

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* ... that several-times international champion adult figure skater Naz Arıcı started ice skating from scratch at the age of 29?

• Source: "İkiz gibi büyüdüğü arkadaşı ölünce kararını verdi! 29 yaşında başladı, 5 kez şampiyon oldu", "29 yaşında sıfırdan başladığı buz pateninde 32 yaşında yetişkinler artistik buz pateni dünya şampiyonu oldu." [21]

• ALT1: ... that electrical/electronics engineer Naz Arıcı quit her profession at the age of 34 to devote herself to competitions of adult figure skating she started when she was 29? Source: "... Naz Arıcı,“İlk şampiyonluğumdan sonra 2016 da katılacağım yarışma için işimi bıraktım ..." [22]", "29 yaşında sıfırdan başladığı buz pateninde 32 yaşında yetişkinler artistik buz pateni dünya şampiyonu oldu." [23]
• ALT2: ... that Naz Arıcı paved the way to the establishment of the adult figure skating branch in Turkey in 2016? Source: " Yetişkinler dalını 2015 yılında dünyada aldığı ilk şampiyonlukla (15 ülkeden 38 kişinin katıldığı Naz’ın ilk yarışması) Türkiye’ye getirdi ve 2016 yılında ülkemize yeni bir dalın açılmasını sağladı." [24]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Arthur France

Created by CeeGee (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 223 past nominations.

CeeGee 11:43, 7 November 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral: - n
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - AGF

Hook eligibility:

• Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith
• Interesting:
• Other problems: - n

QPQ: Done.

Overall: I was excited to see this bio at DYK, since I work on figure skating articles, too, and I value creating and improving fs articles, especially ones about women skaters. Such a beautiful story about adult figure skating in Turkey. However and unfortunately, I don't think that this bio is ready for the main page. The bio uses, for example, overly promotional and puffery language, such as most of the third paragraph in the "Early life" section. Much of the prose also suffers from awkward wording in English as well. The hooks for this DYK suffers from similar issues; all hooks are worded awkwardly. It's awkward in English, for example, to state that one starts something from scratch. Rather, it should read something like this: ALT3:... that several-times international champion adult figure skater Naz Arıcı, with no previous experience, first learned how to figure skate the age of 29? Since I don't know Turkish and depend entirely on Google Translate, I'm AGF that the sources are accurately cited and worded and that there's no plagiarism. I think that if you worked on the article's prose, improving the hooks would be an easy fix. Please understand that I'm not being disrespectful, but I'm coming from a place of valuing the sport of figure skating on WP. Christine (Figureskatingfan) (talk) 04:18, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

• Thanks a lot for your review and comment. I copyedited the article a little and replaced the original hook with following:CeeGee 05:57, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

ALT3: ... that several-times international champion adult figure skater Naz Arıcı, with no previous experience, first learned how to figure skate at the age of 29?

Eastern Venus

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Eastern Venus at Kobe

• ... that on the ship Eastern Venus (pictured), the "Modern" suite is not in modern style?

• Source: https://www.cruisemapper.com/ships/Eastern-Venus-783

"The largest cabins onboard Pacific Venus are 4 Royal Suites (65 m2) located behind the bridge, named "Archaic" (1001), "Modern" (1002), "Elegant" (1003), "Noble" (1004). They are decorated in two styles, with "Modern" and "Archaic" in traditional Japanese style, "Noble" and "Elegant" being more contemporary."

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Created by Memer15151 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

UserMemer (chat) Tribs 21:03, 3 November 2024 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 3

Jordan Watkins

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• ... that the first time college football player Jordan Watkins had more than one touchdown in a game, he set his team's receiving touchdowns record with five?

• Source: Clarion Ledger ("Much has changed for Ole Miss football receiver Jordan Watkins recently. Two weeks ago, he had a different life perspectiv, and he'd never had a multi-touchdown game ... Watkins was a huge part of Ole Miss' offensive explosion. He had eight catches for 254 yards and five touchdowns. ... The five receiving touchdowns are also a record")

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Favre's Dad Game
• Comment: QPQ to be done within 24 hours. Open to other ways of wording the hook; interestingly I had turned the previous breaking of the record (Tre Harris) into a hook as well.

5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 270 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 22:47, 10 November 2024 (UTC).

Moe's Books

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• ... that in 2016, two thieves stole a van filled with $350,000 worth of rare books in Oakland, California, and tried to sell first editions of William Faulkner and Cormac McCarthy to Moe's Books nearby?

• Source: He’s been in the book dealing business for more than 15 years, but Lawrence Van De Carr said he’d never come across such a jewel of a title: a mint copy of Isaac Asimov’s 1950 classic “I, Robot” valued at $8,500.

That novel, once a prized possession of Van De Carr’s, is now gone, along with around 400 of his other books worth well over $350,000. Someone stole his van while it was parked outside a friend’s Oakland home this week.

Joshua Anderson, 30, went to Moe’s Books in Berkeley shortly after the bookseller’ association sent out an alert. He and an alleged accomplice had four books, valued around $14,000, that they were trying to sell, said John Wong, manager at the store.

Among the classic first-editions they were trying to deal were “A Hornbook for Witches: Poems of Fantasy” by Leah Bodine Drake, one of only 563 known copies; “No Country for Old Men” by McCarthy, “Always Comes Evening” by Robert E. Howard, and “Pylon” by William Faulkner.

Source: SFGate (https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Van-filled-with-350-000-rare-books-stolen-in-6843521.php)

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Converted from a redirect by Phibeatrice (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Phibeatrice (talk) 23:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC).

Ethanoligenens harbinense

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• ... that bacteria can produce fuel?

• Source: https://biotechnologyforbiofuels.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13068-019-1511-y

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5x expanded by Hmsuth4770 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Hmsuth4770 (talk) 17:52, 3 November 2024 (UTC).

• Not a 5x expansion. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 21:35, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

Technically, it's not far off, but either way it's a few hundred off 1,500 characters and very stubby. I say give @Hmsuth4770: a chance.--Launchballer 22:41, 4 November 2024 (UTC)

• Ian (Wiki Ed), this actually almost a 5x expansion: 235 prose characters prior to the recent edits, and 1102 at present (5x would be 1175). However, it fails to meet the 1500 prose character minimum required of every article nominated for DYK. When nominators come up short—mainly because they're not counting prose characters, which DYK check can count for you—we typically allow them to expand the nominated article, if they can do so in a timely manner. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:49, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

• BlueMoonset Thanks for double-checking. I always just assume Shubinator's tool is correct on the expansion. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:56, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

• I've emailed them, because students don't always check messages all that often. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 15:00, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ian (Wiki Ed) and Hmsuth4770: Please address the above.--Launchballer 02:25, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• Article is now an adequate length Chaiten1 (talk) 17:35, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

That's fine. I'll let a reviewer adjudicate as to whether the stub tag is deserved.--Launchballer 17:40, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

• The hook as currently written probably violates MOS:EGG as it suggests it's about bacteria as a whole when in fact it's talking about a specific species of bacteria. The hook will need adjustment. Note that the nominator hasn't edited since the 11th and seemingly did not respond to Ian, so the nomination may have to be closed if no one is willing to adopt this. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:56, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

@Ian (Wiki Ed): Following up: did they respond to your e-mail? Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 01:34, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: - I didn't hear back from them directly, but they did make an edit to the article after that, which I assumed was a response. But I may have been wrong. Ian (Wiki Ed) (talk) 14:52, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Without an active editor taking care of this nomination and being on standby/duty to address concerns, that's an issue. It's a shame since the length issues appear to have been addressed, but with no one actually active working on the article, it appears that (like many other WikiEdu student nominations), the nomination has been abandoned. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:59, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

@Chaiten1:, would you be interested in taking over this nomination?--Launchballer 01:26, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer: sure, will do later today!Chaiten1 (talk) 08:51, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

2023 European Athletics Indoor Championships – Women's 400 metres

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Femke Bol wins the 400 m

• ... that Femke Bol won the women's 400 metres at the 2023 European Athletics Indoor Championships (final pictured) with her third 400 metres indoor race under 50 seconds of 2023?

• Source: "1 49.26 Femke BOL 23 FEB 2000 NED 1 Omnisport, Apeldoorn (NED) (i) 19 FEB 2023 1269" / "3 49.85 Femke BOL 23 FEB 2000 NED 1 Ataköy Arena, Istanbul (TUR) (i) 04 MAR 2023 1245" / "4 49.96 Femke BOL 23 FEB 2000 NED 1f3 L'Anneau-Halle d'athlétisme de Metz, Metz (FRA) (i) 11 FEB 2023 1240" (link)

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Al-Altan

5x expanded by Editør (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 14 past nominations.

Editør (talk) 11:14, 3 November 2024 (UTC).

ALT1 ... that Femke Bol won the women's 400 metres at the 2023 European Athletics Indoor Championships (final pictured) successfully defending her 400 metres indoor title from 2021?
Source: "While Warholm likes to inflict his damage over the opening 200m, Bol’s trademark is tearing her rivals to shreds over the latter half. That was again the case here, the defending champion opening broad daylight between her and her rivals down the back straight and looking magnificently majestic as she strode to the finish in 49.85, with Klaver winning silver in 50.57 and Poland’s Anna Kielbasinska taking bronze in 51.25." (link)
– Editør (talk) 10:59, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

This DYK may be scheduled during the 2025 European Athletics Indoor Championships, with round 1 for this event on 7 March 2025. – Editør (talk) 15:25, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 4

Clifton House School, Harold Styan

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• ... that sports teacher Harold Styan of Clifton House School was a gymnast who played the music halls when young, and knocked out two attackers in his old age? (155 characters)

• Source: Harrogate People and Places and Clifton House School Old Boys' Tales

• ALT1: ... that gym teacher Harold Styan of Clifton House School was awarded the Order of the British Empire for services to youth, but as an old man he knocked out two lads who attacked him? (180 characters) Source: The London Gazette and as ALT0
• Reviewed: Bunt sind schon die Wälder and Helen Chaman Lall
• Comment: Clifton House School was moved to mainspace by me on 4 November 2024. Harold Styan was moved to mainspace on my behalf by admin Keith D on 18 November 2024, because my pagemover rights did not permit me to override a redirect page.

Created by Storye book (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 110 past nominations.

Storye book (talk) 11:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC).

• I'm not yet sure if I will give this a full review, so I'll just leave this as a comment for now. Although the angle provided meets DYKINT, I have reservations if it meets the guidelines. For one, both hooks may need a trimming (it might be better to focus on the "two attackers were knocked out" angle alone without mentioning the gymnast or music hall clauses). More importantly, I'm not sure if the hooks as currently written meet WP:DYKHOOKSTYLE, specifically the part about avoiding writing hooks where the bolded article is only tangentially related to the main hook fact (the hooks seem to be more about Styan than the school itself). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:26, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• ALT0 is 155 characters. According to the link you provided about trimming, it is ideal length.
• ALT1 is 180 characters. Being 180 characters is not a trimming issue by itself.
• Styan was a big part of that school, as can be seen in the article. There is plenty of material about him in the article, because he was a big presence there. If our readers click on the bold link, they will read more about Styan there than anywhere else online. Therefore he is relevant to the hook.
• Meanwhile I'll go and find an extra hook or two, anyway. Storye book (talk) 10:04, 13 November 2024 (UTC)
• ALT2: ... Clifton House School formed a scout pack which received an award from Lord Baden Powell for "best pack the United Kingdom"? Source: Neesam, Malcolm (26 February 1999). "Lord Baden Powell on the Stray". Harrogate Advertiser and Weekly List of the Visitors. p. 7 col.4. Retrieved 30 October 2024 – via British Newspaper Archive. "Lord Baden Powell was in Harrogate for the special purpose of presenting Peter's Pole to the Clifton House School Pack, which had won the award of best pack in the United Kingdom, an exceptional commendation".
• ALT0a: ... that sports teacher Harold Styan of Clifton House School played the music halls when young, and knocked out two attackers in his old age? Source as above
• ALT0b: ... that Clifton House School's sports teacher Harold Styan played the music halls when young, and knocked out two attackers in his old age? Source as above Storye book (talk) 11:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

One issue is that, while not an official rule or guidelines, it is usually discouraged to mention people without articles by name in hooks. I'm not sure how strict that practice is, but it's been brought up many times in the past. In any case, it might be necessary to remove Styan's name from the hooks. As for the trimming part, the wording I had was something like "... that a Clifton House School sports teacher knocked out two attackers in his old age?", which is more straightforward. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:19, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't think your suggestion is appropriate, because this was an expensive private school, and Styan had the Order of the British Empire for his youth work. In other words, he was a hero and teacher, not a gangster. The hooks that I gave suggest that he was a complicated and interesting character, but your hook suggests that he might be just some kind of felon or that he ultimately developed dementia. If there is no specific rule against using his name, then I don't see why we should remove it. However I shall look at that section of the article and see whether there is enough there to make Styan into a separate article, then the hooks will have his name in lights, and this nom will be a double nom. Storye book (talk) 16:52, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

Update. I am separating the two articles, but it will take a day or two. Thank you for your patience. Please note that the Harold Styan link is currently a redirect to Clifton House School. I shall correct that when I publish his article. Storye book (talk) 18:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

It's not a rule that's formally codified and thus not in the guidelines, but I remember it being discouraged before. I think Theleekycauldron might know about it. In any case, if the hook becomes a double nom then that particular issue becomes moot. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:09, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

see WP:DYKG#C1 theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 23:13, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I am not sure what you are referring to, Leeky, but the redirect is temporary on this page as explained above, and not intended for publication on the Main Page. I have nearly finished Styan's own page, and hope to publish today or tomorrow (when the redirect will resolve to a direct link). Thank you for your patience. Storye book (talk) 12:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Sounds good to me! :) theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 08:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Harold Styan now has his own article, so his name is now bolded in the hooks. Admin, please could we now have this as a double nom? BlueMoonset? Mandarax? Maile66? Thank you. (I shall shortly provide a QPQ for the Harold Styan article Update: second review done. See "reviewed" section above).Storye book (talk) 11:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)
  • The second article has been integrated into the nomination template. MANdARAX • XAЯAbИAM 18:14, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• Thank you, Mandarax! Storye book (talk) 18:28, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

• Both articles are now ready for review. Storye book (talk) 11:40, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

James Michael Reardon

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Msgr. Reardon speaking in the Basilica of Saint Mary

• ... that after he failed to come home for dinner, Rev. James Michael Reardon's assistant priests found he had died in the Basilica of Saint Mary while praying the rosary?

• Source: "Msgr. Reardon, St. Mary's Pastor, Dies". The Minneapolis Star. 13 December 1963.

• ALT1: ... that despite knowing nothing about journalism, The Catholic Bulletin's founding editor Rev. James Michael Reardon (pictured) established a paid subscriber base of 25,000? Source: "Catholic Bulletin Is 50 Years Old". The Minneapolis Star. 7 January 1961. p. 7A. Retrieved 5 November 2024.
• ALT2: ... that Rev. James Michael Reardon (pictured) was called "the last of the clerical gentlemen"? Source: "Monsignor Reardon". The Minneapolis Star. 14 December 1963. Retrieved 4 November 2024.
• ALT3: ... that Rev. James Michael Reardon (pictured) wrote "the most comprehensive" history book of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis? Source: Hopfensperger, Jean (Mar 21, 1988). "Area Catholic churches mark century of service". pp. 7B. Retrieved 5 November 2024.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/St Francis of Assisi Church, Notting Hill

Created by Darth Stabro (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 02:56, 5 November 2024 (UTC).

Palaeotherium

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Palaeotherium medium skull, first described in 1782.

• ... that a skull of the distant horse relative Palaeotherium (pictured) was first described as belonging to an amphibian then later to a canine?

• Source: Chapter 10: From Quarry to Paper. Cuvier's Three Epistemological Cultures; Sur les ossemens qui se trouvent dans le gypse de Montmartre"

• ALT1: ... that the science historian Bruno Belhoste argued that Georges Cuvier's study of Palaeotherium (pictured) in 1798 "marks the true birth of paleontology"? Source: Chapter 10: From Quarry to Paper. Cuvier's Three Epistemological Cultures
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Hymenophyllum axsmithii

Improved to Good Article status by PrimalMustelid (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

PrimalMustelid (talk) 23:58, 4 November 2024 (UTC).

Pro-Fatimid conspiracy against Saladin

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• ... that the members of an alleged conspiracy to overthrow Saladin and restore the Fatimid Caliphate are said to have made common cause with the Crusaders and the Assassins?

• Source: summary of the entire article

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Piri Reis

Improved to Good Article status by Cplakidas (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 145 past nominations.

Constantine ✍ 19:27, 4 November 2024 (UTC).

• Comment: Not a review but the hook can be made better. Doesn't seem appealing enough but there's an underlying interest. All the best! _Regards, Aafi ^(talk) 18:14, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

@Cplakidas: Please address the above.--Launchballer 01:27, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

@Launchballer and Aafi: what am I supposed to address? If there is any specific criticism or suggestion for improvement, I'll gladly consider it, but 'can be made better' or 'not appealing enough' is little to go on. The fact that Muslims would make common cause with the Crusaders, or with a sect known as 'Assassins' of all things, is IMO plenty interesting, especially compared to many other hooks I have encountered in DYK in the past. Constantine ✍ 17:18, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

as I said in my comment (not a review) but I do agree that the latter part "are said to have made common cause with the Crusaders and the Assassins?" is pretty much interesting. The initial part didn't appeal to me and I dropped a comment. Up to you or a reviewer, to work on this. This wasn't a serious review but a simple suggestions that this could be worked upon. _Regards, Aafi ^(talk) 17:34, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 5

Oasis (Minecraft clone)

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• ... that Oasis has been described as a "haunted" version of Minecraft? Source:[25]
  • ALT1: ... that Oasis, a clone of Minecraft, runs using no code? Source:[26]
  • ALT2: ... that Oasis, a clone of Minecraft, is run entirely using artificial intelligence? Source:[27]
  • ALT3: ... that an AI-generated Minecraft clone has been described as an early glimpse at the future of video games? Source:[28]
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Created by Johnson524 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Loytra (talk) 13:36, 7 November 2024 (UTC).

• Comment The disambiguation is incorrect - if this is considered a video game, then per WP:NCVGDAB it should be (2024 video game) instead (since there is already a 2005 video game of the same name). That said, I am not sure I would consider it a video game, given that it does not work according to anything but dream logic, and is more of a vague approximation of a game. Therefore, (simulation) or (AI simulation) could be a better disambiguation. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:30, 8 November 2024 (UTC)
  • If it's not clear exactly what Oasis is, then why would the disambiguation be considered incorrect? The software is most notable for being a clone of Minecraft, surely that should be mentioned in the title for clarity sake? Hell, half the time it's referred to as "AI Minecraft" rather than its actual name. Loytra (talk) 01:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
    • It is incorrect because "Minecraft clone" is overly specific and therefore goes against disambiguation guidelines. It is like using (black dog with long fur and floppy ears) instead of (dog). It must be made more broad, whether by calling it "video game" or "simulation". Furthermore, calling it a "clone" may in fact be incorrect. It is literally Minecraft, as played by interpreting the game through an AI, whereas "clone" is typically used to describe games that are similar to, but not identical to another. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 06:42, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
      • Most of the sources referenced in the article describe it as a "version of Minecraft" or simply "AI-generated Minecraft". It really isn't commonly referred to as "Oasis"; I don't think most people would recognise the software if it was under the title "Oasis (2024 video game)" or "Oasis (simulation)". Imo it has to have "Minecraft" in the title. I know naming conventions are pretty strict but I'd almost argue that this is an WP:IAR situation. Loytra (talk) 11:54, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
        • I can confidently say it's not an IAR situation. After looking at the sources more, I am convinced that (AI model) is the best DAB for this as it is first and foremost a model that can be "played" using a game interface. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 18:43, 9 November 2024 (UTC)
• Comment. I don't think arguing over the title should block this from DYK. Only truly egregiously wrong titles would cause that kind of problem, and the current title is clearly not that bad - as noted, the COMMONNAME is something like "AI Minecraft". (And I don't think the case is as open-and-shut as Zxc thinks it is, either.) Zxc, you should file a WP:RM and see what the community thinks IMO. SnowFire (talk) 19:21, 10 November 2024 (UTC)
  • I agree. Its now time to keep discussion in this template related to DYK reviews and any discussion about the name of this article, should take place via an RM and any discussion about improving this article should take place at the relevant talk page. Article titles are outside the scope of a DYK review. side note: sounds like I'm a forum moderator at this point JuniperChill (talk) 16:19, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

A reviewer is needed for this nomination. Z1720 (talk) 15:16, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Abortion in Kyrgyzstan

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• ... that although abortion in Kyrgyzstan is legal, many women refuse to go through with it as it is considered haram in Islamic law?

• Source: https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/population/publications/pdf/policy/AbortionPoliciesReproductiveHealth.pdf and https://scholarworks.iu.edu/journals/index.php/aeer/article/download/712/805/0

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Created by PhoenixCaelestis (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

-Emily (PhoenixCaelestis) (talk) 15:41, 5 November 2024 (UTC).

• @PhoenixCaelestis: The article looks good. No copyvios. QPQ not needed. Hook is interesting. I would add a link to haram. In the sources I was unable to find the part that said that it is haram, and that women refuse to do it for this reason. I see that part about that woman in Osh, but the source doesn't say the "haram" bit. Could you provide one that does say "haram" please? ―Panamitsu (talk) 05:14, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

• @Panamitsu: I've added a link to haram, and here's a source for the part on whether or not abortion is haram. It is from the Australian National Imams Council, an organization of mosque leaders.

https://www.anic.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/THE-ISLAMIC-POSITION-ON-ABORTION.pdf

―PhoenixCaelestis (talk) 07:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

• @PhoenixCaelestis: Thank you for working on this article. The source you suggest states the formal position as haram, but I do not see information in the article or the source you added to support the statement "that women refuse to do it for this reason". You need statistics if you want to support this claim. The only case mentioned is one woman doctor who says that she is now afraid to counsel people about abortion. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:18, 11 November 2024 (UTC)
• @Mary Mark Ockerbloom: I've added two more sources to the article to back the claim, and I will provide them here as well.

https://www.un.org/womenwatch/daw/Review/responses/KYRGYZSTAN-English.pdf https://europe.ippf.org/blogs/kyrgyzstans-cocktail-conservatism-and-apathy-bitter-draught-women

-Emily (PhoenixCaelestis) (talk) 13:05, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

• @PhoenixCaelestis: The new sources generally talk about culture and issues in medical care for women, but I don't see that either one clearly presents either a claim or evidence that many women refuse to go through with abortion because it is considered haram. One source even comments (without data?) that women may be more likely to get abortions because contraception is costly. The sources are also not very current. I'm not trying to be difficult here, but I think you'll need to either rephrase the hook or find more explicit sources that clearly support what you state. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 17:02, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

The hook is very unlikely to be true. In addition to what Mary Mark Ockerbloom wrote, I should also note that the claim that abortion is haram is in itself either misleading or outright incorrect, as explained by Islam and abortion. Each of the four Sunni schools considers abortion permitted but under different circumstances, and the dominant school in Kyrgyzstan is the one that is most permitting regarding abortion. Surtsicna (talk) 23:12, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

@PhoenixCaelestis: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 15:17, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

• How about something like "...that although abortion in Kyrgyzstan is legal, it faces significant challenges in the public view?" It might be a little awkwardly worded, but I think it fits the evidence I have best. If you all still have problems or suggestions please just let me know. -Emily (PhoenixCaelestis) (talk) 14:07, 24 November 2024 (UTC).

Isn't that rather common even in some countries where abortion is legal? Even where it is legal, there is often a stigma around it. I don't see how that's limited to Kyrgyzstan. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:55, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@PhoenixCaelestis: Per my above comment, this probably needs a completely different angle. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Gohobi

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• ... that the Japanese band Gohobi describes themselves as having a tofu mentality? Source: [29] ("「自信がなくて何が悪い 男女混声豆腐メンタル五人組」")
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ivan Ivan (ice hockey)
  • Comment: Up to the reviewer if there should be quotes around "tofu mentality".

Created by Narutolovehinata5 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 109 past nominations.

Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:26, 5 November 2024 (UTC).

• @Narutolovehinata5:, Thanks for the article. This is a suggestion: could you expand the article slightly to give some idea of what it means to have a "tofu mentality"? For those of us who won't be able to read the original sources if we click through, the current Wikipedia article gives no explanation of the hook. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 20:26, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

For what it's worth, the sources regarding the band only use "tofu mentality" without further elaboration (other than it was a term they gave to themselves), so I can't really add more to the article without doing original research. Technically, in Japanese, the term "tofu mentality" means something similar to what English speakers would call a "snowflake", although the article uses a literal translation of "豆腐メンタル" rather than the translated version (which is probably still accurate since the literal meaning is correct in Japanese). The full explanation about what the term means would probably not work for the band's article since it would delve into original research or even WP:COAT, but that's the explanation for context. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 00:06, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

jp:豆腐メンタル maps to Snowflake (slang), so maybe a piped link to Snowflake (slang) in the hook would suffice?

have created redirect for tofu mentality, and updating hook below -Bogger (talk) 15:11, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
ALT0A... that the Japanese band Gohobi describes themselves as having a tofu mentality? (same source) -Bogger (talk) 14:43, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

I actually think the link would distract from the main article and divert clicks, so linking in the hook might not be a good idea. Should be fine for the article, though. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 04:00, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

"tofu mentality" ..? -Bogger (talk) 09:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

I mentioned in the original nomination comment that I'd leave it to the reviewer if "tofu mentality" should have quotes or not since I wasn't sure if they were necessary. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:44, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

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Perplexities after Escher

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• ... that Perplexities after Escher, a composition for heckelphone, string quartet and double bass, is based on five graphic artworks by M. C. Escher, including Kringloop? Source: [30]
  • ALT1: ... that Perplexities after Escher is a composition for heckelphone, string quartet and double bass that was premiered 120 years after the heckelphone was introduced? Source: [31]
  • Reviewed: Apricot dress of Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2125 past nominations.

Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:11, 10 November 2024 (UTC).

• Will leave this to another reviewer, but a shortened version of ALT1 would probably be a good option:

ALT2 ... that Perplexities after Escher, a composition for the heckelphone, was composed to commemorate the instrument's 120th anniversary?

ALT2a ... that Perplexities after Escher, a composition for the heckelphone, was composed for the instrument's 120th anniversary?

ALT2b ... that Perplexities after Escher, a composition for the heckelphone, was composed as part of the instrument's 120th anniversary celebrations?

Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:48, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

After giving this some thoughts, I've struck the original hook and ALT1. The original hook is unlikely to be perceived as interesting to those who are not specialists in classical music or art, and the second hook's wording is a bit weird and its point is probably better expressed by the ALT2 variations. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:13, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

I don't know what your "some thoughts" were. The fact that this music is not for heckelphone alone, but for an interesting group of chamber musicians, including double bass - these poor people otherwise have just the Trout Quintet - is key to the music, and being able to see one of the inspiring images has nothing to do with classical music, and looking at pictures is no "specialist knowledge in art", to my understanding, but something that children can do. Therefore I actually prefer ALT0. The 120 years seems rather of "specialist" interest, no? Who cares if 110 or 130? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:38, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Agreed. ALT0 is a good hook. I've asked for it to be restored below. Viriditas (talk) 09:09, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: I think you may have been a little quick to dismiss ALT0, perhaps because of your previous experience with Gerda's hooks. I think ALT0 is far from obscure as you describe it; Escher has high name recognition in the US and Europe, and the fact that there's a classical composition based on five of his art works is about as interesting as it gets. I would therefore ask you to restore ALT0. Viriditas (talk) 09:07, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

I propose a rebooted ALT0 as ALT0a below:

ALT0a ... that Perplexities after Escher, a composition for heckelphone, string quartet and double bass, is based on five graphic artworks by M. C. Escher?

Thank you. I add the link to the specific image especially for those general readers who (inspite of the bestseller Gödel, Escher, Bach) would not immediately recognize Escher. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:48, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

ps: I wonder about the copyright of that image. Could we perhaps even include it? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

We could leave the final choice to the reviewer, but for what it's worth, saying that ALT0/ALT0a works because Escher is well-known in those regions could come off as Western-centric or a case of systemic bias. Not all regions in the world are familiar with him, and I imagine that while he might be well known among art circles there, among the general public perhaps not as much. Just speaking from a non-American or non-European perspective here (or to be specific, an Asian perspective). I also suspect that, regardless, the Escher angle will be less likely to get readership interest as it's somewhat more specialist than the alternative (the main point of the hook requiring knowing who Escher is). Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 13:05, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

See M.C. Escher's Legacy: A Centennial Celebration (2007)[2003] ISBN 978-3-540-28849-7: Exhibitions in 1998, the centennial year of his birth, "were held in Brazil, Mexico, The Czech Republic, Hong Kong, Great Britain, China, Greece, Italy, Argentina, Canada, Holland, and Peru." (83) "The Japanese artist Shigeo Fukuda built an accurate model of Escher's Belvedere". (229) However, at the same time, the NYT tried to deny Escher any legitimacy in the artworld, claiming he was a "nonartist" outside of niche circles of mathematicians, physicists, crystallographers, visual perception experts, and of course, psychedelic adventurers. (p. V, see "Smith, Roberta, "Just a Nonartist in the Art World, But Endlessly Seen and Cited," The New York Times, January 21, 1998, E1, E3.) Why the NYT has a habit of making such crazy, overtly false statements is anyone's guess (their downplaying of famous historical events like the Holocaust is well known, doubly ironic since Sulzberger, their publisher, was Jewish). Viriditas (talk) 21:45, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

There is a link to Escher, and one to heckelphone. People able to click on a link will then know who Escher and when the heckelphone was introduced. To tell people when the heckelphone was introduced as practically the only information of a hook seems pretty senseless to me, the longer I think about it. It's about music, no? - Kindly unstrike ALT0 and leave it to a reviewer. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:14, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

For what it's worth, I just did an informal survey over at Discord and most of the responses did say they're familiar with him, so there's that and appears that I'm mistaken. We can probably leave ALT0a as an option for the reviewer, but ALT0 still has extra details and we'd rather avoid those whenever possible. Regardless of Escher, WP:DYKTRIM remains relevant. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

With several ALT hooks proposed, a new reviewer is needed to evaluate the article, ensure the hooks are approved, and give comments on which they think are the most interesting. Z1720 (talk) 15:19, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Dostrotime

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• ... that a music video for a song on Dostrotime was made with a real oscilloscope?

• Source: On 23 January 2024, the music video for the lead single "Wendorlan" was released on YouTube. The visuals for the music video were made by Jenkinson himself, using an oscilloscope. It was filmed in one take and, according to Jenkinson, he used "custom processing to generate the XY signal from components of track audio and control data". https://thequietus.com/news/squarepusher-wendorlan/

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Created by Beachweak (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Beachweak (talk) 12:55, 6 November 2024 (UTC).

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Organization of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention

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• ... that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention is organized into centers descended from ones created in 1980, except for two founded in 1914 and in 1899?
  Sources: [32] [33] [34] [35]

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Maria Muntañola Cvetković
  • Comment: Since NIOSH is part of CDC, I have a COI and I request an experienced editor to check the article.

Moved to mainspace by John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 43 past nominations.

John P. Sadowski (NIOSH) (talk) 00:07, 8 November 2024 (UTC).

Petergofsky District

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• ... that between February and August 1918 the Petergofsky District mobilized more than 20 combat units for the Red Army?

• Source: M. Mitelʹman. Борьба партии большевиков за упрочение советской власти (1917- 1918 гг.). Политиздат при ЦК ВКП(б), 1940. p. 20

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Interstate 59 in Alabama

Moved to mainspace by Soman (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 410 past nominations.

Soman (talk) 23:33, 7 November 2024 (UTC).

Bunt sind schon die Wälder

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• ... that the melody for the song "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" (Colourful are the forests already) that Johann Friedrich Reichardt (pictured) created in 1799 has remained popular? Source: [36]
  • Reviewed: David Hilchen

Created by Gerda Arendt (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 2124 past nominations.

Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:16, 7 November 2024 (UTC).

• I shall review this. Storye book (talk) 10:41, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: Thank you for this interesting article. I would like to hear this one. A few comments:

• Earwig finds only quotations and proper names. No problem there.
• The hook citation (above) for ALT0 was not in the article, so I added it there. I also gave the article a very minor copyedit. That does not affect this DYK review.
• One issue: The citation given above for ALT0 does not confirm popularity. Popularity is mentioned in the name of the website, but not in the main text of the website. Also, the website name says (if I understand correctly) "popular and traditional lieder", so according to that, this piece could be in traditional style (which does not imply popularity). So I think we need to EITHER find another citation OR another hook. Storye book (talk) 11:27, 9 November 2024 (UTC)

@Storye book: Not really a fan of the proposed hook, since the context given does not seem to make it clear why it is important that it has remained popular, and the context of it remaining popular is not clear (what is intended by "remained popular"?). I was going to suggest a hook involving Schubert, but the meaning of "different setting" is not clear: does it mean he wrote another melody to the song, or that Reichardt's melody was later re-used by Schubert? If it's the latter then perhaps that could work as a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 14:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

The wording I had in mind was something like "... that the melody of "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" (Colourful are the forests already) by Johann Friedrich Reichardt (pictured) was later used by Franz Schubert?", but I'm not sure if that was the intended context of the "Schubert wrote a different setting" part. That suggestion could probably still be worked on, I just threw it out here for brainstorming purposes. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:42, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you - both - for thinking. I am open to rewording. Grammar: in German, "und" says that something is both, both traditional and popular", - if it was only one, German would use "oder". As you will have seen, there were multiple melodies, before and after, but this is the one in most publications, recorded, sung. Take Hannes Wader, a singer-songwriter himself: singing that old melody. (yt at the bottom) - Schubert wrote a different setting (= different melody + different piano), which didn't become popular, - note that only one of the uses mentioned has his version, - it remained for art singers and higher school education. What word would you choose instead of "popular" for: is the one that people know and sing? Schubert is really only a side note here, his setting didn't get popular in any sense, it's not Erlkönig. I didn't know he wrote a melody, but now he wrote 700 (as DYK once informed us). --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:35, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

Would it help to add that it was recorded among the "80 most popular Volkslieder" [37]. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:39, 11 November 2024 (UTC)

The new reference given by Gerda Arendt is satisfactory, and it explains the meaning of popularity in the article's context. Gerda, could you please give us an ALT1, and put the new sentence and citation in the article? Thank you. Storye book (talk) 08:16, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Storye bookYou mean a sentence about that collection? (In another nom, someone mentioned "promotional". Anyway, ref added, which supports "remained popular. Will search for more. As a little gift: a children's tv version ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:30, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

I added two more indications of popularity, a 2011 poll and a 2017 collection. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:11, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

ALT0a: ... that the Volkslied "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" (Colourful are the forests already) has remained popular with the 1799 melody by Johann Friedrich Reichardt (pictured)?

to avoid the impression that only the melody remained popular. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:14, 12 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you, Gerda. The citation is now in the article, and I approve ALT0a, with image. Storye book (talk) 09:40, 13 November 2024 (UTC)

• Pulling this per this discussion. Jlwoodwa raised concerns that the hook was hard to understand. In addition, the hook at best probably borderline meets WP:DYKINT. Some possible alternative suggestions:

• ALT1 ... that "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" placed second in a 2011 poll by MDR on the most beautiful Volkslied?
• ALT1a ... that "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" placed second in a 2011 poll by MDR on the most beautiful German folk song?

Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 23:48, 16 November 2024 (UTC)

for ALT 1 or 1a, subject to Gerda Arendt's approval. Storye book (talk) 09:47, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

I am sorry that I wrote so misleading. Not true. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: As far as I can see, you have not written anything misleading or untrue. Please explain? Thanks.

Regarding the word, "popular", in the discussion someone appeared confused by the word, presumably because they lived in a world so narrow that they did not know that "popular music" is a subsidiary meaning of "popular", which has for hundreds of years just meant that a lot of people liked something. Storye book (talk) 10:19, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

The poll had 20 suggestions without Herbstlied. IT was No. 2 of the additional ones. - Please word for me. A song with a 1799 tune is still popular. The song hast a longish title in German, which I thought was good to translate. The title could mean anything, so we have to say what it is if you ask me. As you will not have noticed the hook is a bit quirky because with a composed melody it's not what you'd expect a Volkslied to be. Why would we not credit the composer who won over Schubert in popularity? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:09, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

ALT2 ... that the folk-style melody for "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" was composed long ago by Johann Friedrich Reichardt (pictured) and it is still liked by many?

ALT1b .... that radio listeners voted "Bunt sind schon die Wälder" second in their suggested list of the most beautiful German folk songs? (See Gerda's comment above, regarding this one). Storye book (talk) 11:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

Third party required to approve ALT2 and/or ALT1b only. Storye book (talk) 11:53, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

I think ALT1b would get us into trouble with ERRORS because it's more No. 22, and tough to explain with the 20 from the station. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:33, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

I really don't think ALT2 as currently written is going to work out. It's rather vague and basically says "did you know that this song written long ago is still popular?", which actually isn't all that uncommon. It would be like a hook saying "that the folk song "Yankee Doodle" from the 1700s remains popular?" I still think something about the poll would be the best option here, although if that really can't work out then either a completely different angle be suggested here, or the nomination be rejected for lack of a hook. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:23, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

And I really don't think that slamming down the hopes of a nomination which bores you (and bores you alone, so far) is a constructive way to contribute. If this subject matter bores you, go and contribute to a nomination about your own favourite music, sport or whatever, and leave us to work productively on this one. Thank you.

Controversy about which tune is the "right" one for a favourite set of verses can be a powerful force, and can cause concerts to be spoiled or cancelled. For example, in the UK (and possibly Europe, I don't know), a favoured tune for Psalm 23 is Crimond. There are many competing tunes for it, including Brother James' Air, which allows more fancy choral settings. However, when some people (including me) hear that tune used instead of Crimond, they become very angry. There is nothing wrong with Brother James' Air, but Crimond is loved for sentimental reasons. I can assure you that the subject matter of ALT 2 is far from boring. Storye book (talk) 10:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

ALT3 ... that the melody for "Bunt sind schon die Wälder", composed by Johann Friedrich Reichardt (pictured), is still preferred by many, even though the famous Franz Schubert wrote a tune for it? (176 characters)

Third party approval still required for ALT2 and/or ALT3. Storye book (talk) 10:17, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

We could go with some variation of ALT3 (we probably need to reject ALT2 however due to WP:DYKINT reasons). However, the issue with ALT3 is that it is not directly stated in the article or the source (there is nothing in the article that directly says that people prefer Recihardt's version, just that it exists and is popular while one by Schubert exists). If that could be addressed, ALT3 would be a suitable option.

As for the "bores me" aspect, for what it's worth, Gerda's nominations and hooks have long had a reputation among several DYK regulars (not just me) for failing to meet the interestingness criterion, so it's not just me who has raised concerns. Other editors such as 4meter4 and CurryTime7-24 (incidentally both also classical music experts) have also raised concerns about her nominations and hooks in the past. While one could argue that DYKINT is by its nature a subjective criterion, the fact that Gerda's reputation exists, along with how the current wording of DYKINT was a direct response to one of her nominations, can't be discounted. For what it's worth, I have no issue with classical music as a topic itself and there have been plenty of acceptable hooks about the field from Gerda and other editors like 4meter4 and CurryTime among others. The issue has usually been the hooks themselves, not the field. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:10, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Gerda Arendt: Are there any citations available, to support ALT3? Or is there any content in the existing citations, which could be added to the article in support of ALT3? Storye book (talk) 13:18, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Broadly speaking, classical music is that European vocal and orchestral music composed mostly in the 17th and 18th centuries, the name being reflective of that era's interest in the classical arts, such as Palladian architecture. Classical music tends to be emotionally controlled, with certain formal rules. Then you get transitional composers such as Beethoven who take the mickey out of classical music and play with more emotional stuff. Full-blown 19th-century orchestral music, and music for trained singers at that time in Europe, is called Romantic music, partly because it breaks with the previous century's emotional control. So we are not dealing here on this nom with classical music. It is music from the Romantic era. The confusion arises from today's usage of the word, "classical", where it has come to mean "not pop music". That is to say, when used in that way, the word has little real meaning. Storye book (talk) 13:35, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

(ec) Packing for return trip. Will be about a day. Hate editing mobile. - Sorry, Schubert takes us too far away. The 2 melodies don't compare. Schubert's is an art song, with no chance to become popular. The composer of such a successful thing deserves mentioning by name, imho. - After edit conflict: indeed, Not classical, but POPULAR. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 8

Death of Milton King

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• ... that Caribbean dockworkers started some of the first multinational anti-apartheid protests in the wake of Milton King's death?

• Source: Source 1: Cobley, Alan Gregor (June 1992). "'Far from home': the origins and significance of the Afro‐Caribbean community in South Africa to 1930". Journal of Southern African Studies. 18 (2): 349–370. doi:10.1080/03057079208708318. Source 2: "West Indies Boycott South African Goods". Rand Daily Mail. Johannesburg, South Africa. October 10, 1951. p. 4.

• ALT1: ... that 5 percent of Barbados's entire population turned out to protest the death of Milton King while under Cape Town police officers' custody? Source: Source 1: "10,000 Joined Protest March". The Barbados Advocate. Bridgetown, Barbados. August 26, 1951. p. 12. Source 2: United Nations. 1951 Demographic Yearbook (PDF) (1951 ed.). New York: Statistical Office of the United Nations. p. 95. Retrieved 31 July 2024.
• ALT2: ... that a sailor standing up to police harassment led to some of the first multinational anti-apartheid protests? Source: Source 1: Cobley, Alan Gregor (June 1992). "'Far from home': the origins and significance of the Afro‐Caribbean community in South Africa to 1930". Journal of Southern African Studies. 18 (2): 349–370. doi:10.1080/03057079208708318. Source 2: "Policeman Charged in Death of Milton King". The Barbados Advocate. Bridgetown, Barbados. British United Press. June 15, 1951. p. 3.
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• Comment: Apologies for being a tad delayed on nomination. My first GA. Very open to feedback on hooks, etc.

Improved to Good Article status by SunTunnels (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

SunTunnels (talk) 01:49, 15 November 2024 (UTC).

Artur Bubnevych

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• ... that Ruthenian Catholic bishop Artur Bubnevych earned a degree in Gaming?
  • Reviewed: Template: Did you know nominations/Thomas Curnow
  • Comment: off-site help with hook provided by User:Darth Stabro

Created by Maximilian775 (talk) and Darth Stabro (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.

Maximilian775 (talk) 20:58, 14 November 2024 (UTC).

• Comment: the subject of the article will not be a bishop until 28 Jan 2025; the hook can either be held until then, or rephrased to say "bishop-elect". ~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 01:37, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Canaanite ivory comb

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• ... that the Canaanite ivory comb that contains the earliest sentence in a phonetic alphabet was categorized as a miscellaneous artifact for five years before gaining significance as an important discovery?

• Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/09/science/ivory-comb-beard-lice.html

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• Comment: An image would be excellent for this entry. The images are there in the internet but I have been unable to find a suitable one that can be uploaded to commons with proper licensing. Please help me find/upload a picture for this artifact.

Created by Raydann (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

❯❯❯ Raydann^(Talk) 20:21, 9 November 2024 (UTC).

• Comment: So, between 2004 and 2010 or so, I did a lot of reading about artifacts like this. It turns out that it is extremely common for items like this to be set aside for years, decades, perhaps even a century or more, before someone comes along and decides to give them a second look. I only bring this up because while I like your hook, I could see others objecting to it as mundane. Viriditas (talk) 23:35, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

While I get the point of the hook, it's a bit hard to read. Maybe something along the lines of:

ALT1 ... that the Canaanite ivory comb contains the earliest-known sentence in a phonetic alphabet?

ALT2 ... that the Canaanite ivory comb was categorized as a miscellaneous artifact for five years before gaining significance as an important discovery?

Basically, splitting the original hook into two separate hooks. ALT2 lacks context, but arguably it might encourage a reader to click and learn why it was an important discovery. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 03:25, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Jim Rivaldo

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• ... that Jim Rivaldo consulted political campaigns for Harvey Milk in the 1970s and Kamala Harris in 2003?

• Source: [38] Politics was as much a passion as a job for Jim Rivaldo, a veteran San Francisco political consultant who worked campaigns for candidates ranging from Harvey Milk and Ella Hill Hutch to Supervisor Bevin Dufty and District Attorney Kamala Harris.

• ALT1: ... that gay political consultant Jim Rivaldo "used to think that all gay people were hairdressers"? Source: [39] “I used to think that all gay people were hairdressers,” Rivaldo said.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Robot Alley

Moved to mainspace by Vigilantcosmicpenguin (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 20 past nominations.

— Vigilant Cosmic Penguin 🐧 (talk | contribs) 00:48, 9 November 2024 (UTC).

• "Consulted for" or "on", surely? Johnbod (talk) 04:21, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 9

The Heart Knows its Own Bitterness (Talmud)

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• ... that a Talmudic passage, "The Heart Knows its Own Bitterness", is used in Jewish medical ethics to justify patient autonomy?

• Source: current footnote 12: Berger, Zackary; Cahan, Rabbi Joshua (2016). "Patient Autonomy in Talmudic Context: The Patient's "I Must Eat" on Yom Kippur in the Light of Contemporary Bioethics". Journal of Religion and Health. 55 (5): 1778–1785: "Here, we analyze a discussion in the Mishna, a foundational text of rabbinic Judaism, regarding patient autonomy in the setting of religiously mandated fasting, and commentaries in the Babylonian and Palestinian Talmuds, finding both a more expansive notion of such autonomy and a potential metaphysical grounding for it in the importance of patient self-knowledge."

• ALT1: ... that a Talmudic passage, "The Heart Knows its Own Bitterness", has been used to justify a rabbinic law project by and for transgender Jews? Source: current fn #5: Soloman, Laynie; Pearce, Russell G. (2022). "'Nothing about Us without Us': Toward a Liberatory Heterodox Halakha". Touro L. Rev. 37: 1769–1836 – via HeinOnline: ""The heart alone knows its bitterness" is not simply a mantra about the essential power of individuals to dictate their medical needs when confronted with a disputing party. This statement, as we have seen, becomes an interpretive principle that we can utilize to articulate a truth at the center of a vision of a liberatory Heterodox halakha that attempts to center the needs, realities, experiences, and expertise of the community from which it emerges. (1830)... The approaches to Heterodox halakhathat we have described thus far are the ideologies that ground the Trans Halakha Project, a recent initiative that "aims to curate existing resources that have been developed for trans Jews and by trans Jews..." (1832)

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Elin Falk
• Comment: I'm very sorry, I lost track of the timing (because I put wrong creation date on my user page)! It's a few days over. But the hooks are short and clearly sourced, so hopefully easy to review.

Created by ProfGray (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 7 past nominations.

ProfGray (talk) 14:10, 19 November 2024 (UTC).

Murakami T

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• ... that Haruki Murakami once wrote an entire book of photos and essays about his T-shirt collection, titled Murakami T, when he wasn't "in the mood to write fiction"?

• Source: I find it difficult to write fiction unless I tell myself, Okay, time to write some fiction! When I’m not in the mood to write fiction, I end up at my desk just simply writing. Like a musician practicing his instrument. Since writing is something I simply enjoy doing. That’s how this T-shirt book came about. I enjoyed writing it, and I hope people find it equally enjoyable to read.
• https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2021/10/haruki-murakami-puts-his-massive-t-shirt-collection-on-display

• ALT1: ... that Haruki Murakami owns so many T-shirts that he collects them in "stacked-up cardboard boxes" and ended up publishing an entire book about them titled Murakami T? Source: T-shirts are one of those things which naturally pile up. They’re cheap, so whenever an interesting one catches my eye I buy it. People give me various novelty T-shirts from around the world, I get commemorative T-shirts whenever I run a marathon, and when I travel I often pick up a few, instead of bringing along extra clothes. Which is why the number of T-shirts in my life has skyrocketed, to the point where there’s no room in my drawers anymore and I have to store the overflow in stacked-up cardboard boxes.
  https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2021/09/27/an-accidental-collection
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Created by Phibeatrice (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Phibeatrice (talk) 06:39, 9 November 2024 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 10

Jill, Duchess of Hamilton

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• ... that Jill, Duchess of Hamilton donated her body to science because "funerals are a bore"?

Source: [40]

• ALT1: ... that when asked about the proper form of address for a divorced duchess, Jill, Duchess of Hamilton replied, "I have absolutely no bloody idea, and please don't tell me"? Source: [41]
• ALT2: ... that in her PhD thesis Jill, Duchess of Hamilton uncovered how Christian women in Israel change churches to get a divorce–because Israel does not allow civil divorce? Source: [42]
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Marie Denizard

Created by Surtsicna (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 186 past nominations.

Surtsicna (talk) 21:12, 13 November 2024 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral: - I think consistently referring to Robertson as "the duchess", both in the title and throughout the article, despite her dislike for the title and her specific request for it to be removed from her byline, might cross the line of neutrality for me. Otherwise, it's all good.
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: The DYK submission itself looks good, I particularly like ALT0 and ALT1, and for the most part the article is quite good. But I can't help but feel like the use of the "duchess" title throughout the article and in the title crosses the line of non-neutrality, due to her explicit rejection of the title. This is really my main issue with it. Grnrchst (talk) 16:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Grnrchst, by the time she reached the height of her career she had not been called Robertson for over 30 years. She did not reject the title. She merely asked that it be removed from her byline. The Guardian, for example, gives her byline as "Jill Hamilton" but still calls her "duchess of Hamilton" in the description; the Catholic Herald just sticks with "Jill, Duchess of Hamilton". "Jill, Duchess of Hamilton" remains by far the most common name for her in reliable sources, including the obituaries cited in the article. I am not opposed to substituting some of the duchesses with "Hamilton", however. Surtsicna (talk) 23:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

@Surtsicna: Thanks for the clarification. Per WP:COMMONNAME, I've struck my concerns about the title. I think "the duchess" could safely be replaced in most cases with personal pronouns (she/her), as there's not any ambiguity introduced that requires us to continue repeating who we're talking about. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:47, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Planting a Rainbow

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• ... that the children's picture book Planting a Rainbow has a gardening theme? Source: pretty much any ref used, for example https://www.kirkusreviews.com/book-reviews/lois-ehlert/planting-a-rainbow/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Głos Kolejarzy Ewakuowanych — Golos Evakuirovannykh Zheleznodorozhnikov
  • Comment: I could not think of a more interesting hook... feel free to suggest stuff.

Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 532 past nominations.

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:03, 13 November 2024 (UTC).

• ALT1 ... that the children's picture book Planting a Rainbow has been praised for both its "deft use of colors" and the educational identification of seeds, bulbs, sprouts and blossoms? I don't have access to the source to confirm it, but this might be a possible alt. Mary Mark Ockerbloom (talk) 15:59, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Nazareth Hall Preparatory Seminary

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The relocated altar and baldachin of Nazareth Hall

• ... that before there was Naz Reid, there was Naz Hall?

• Source: Zyskowski, Bob, ed. (July 9, 1992). "Stories will fly at Naz Hall reunion this fall" (PDF). The Catholic Bulletin. Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis. p. 2. Archived (PDF) from the original on 2024-11-07. Retrieved 2024-11-10.

• ALT1: ... that the altar and baldachin of Nazareth Hall Preparatory Seminary (pictured) were relocated to the Church of Saint Michael in St. Michael, Minnesota? Source: Wiering, Maria (January 14, 2010). Towalski, Joe (ed.). "Liturgical object re-use 'keeps church's sacred art alive'" (PDF). The Catholic Spirit. Vol. 15, no. 1. Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis. p. 23. Archived (PDF) from the original on 2024-11-10. Retrieved 9 November 2024.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nathania Ong
• Comment: Photo only for ALT1 hook

Improved to Good Article status by Darth Stabro (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

~Darth Stabro^{Talk • Contribs} 14:51, 11 November 2024 (UTC).

Hold Your Hand (film)

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• ... that the film Hold Your Hand was based on the author's experiences after getting arrested in 2013?

• Source: [43] [44]

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Created by Miminity (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 10:11, 10 November 2024 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 11

Artificial intelligence rhetoric

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• ... that Kevin Roose wrote a viral article about artificial intelligence rhetoric after an AI bot attempted to convince him to leave his wife?

• Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2023/02/16/technology/bing-chatbot-microsoft-chatgpt.html

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Stanley Washburn

Created by Jpalmer770 (talk) and Skvader (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 52 past nominations.

paul2520 💬 15:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC).

2011 Central Alabama tornado

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• ... that the 2011 Central Alabama tornado was on the ground for over two hours? Source: https://www.weather.gov/bmx/event_04272011cordova
  • ALT1: ... that the 2011 Central Alabama tornado hit Cordova, Alabama, several hours after another large tornado hit the town? Source: https://www.weather.gov/bmx/event_04272011parrish
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/2019 Timaru hailstorm
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Created by EF5 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

E_F⁵ 18:32, 11 November 2024 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 12

Alien: Romulus

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Sir Ian Holm in Edinburgh August 2004

• ... that Alien: Romulus (2024) starred Ian Holm (pictured) who had died four years earlier in 2020?

• Source: https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20240820-why-people-are-upset-about-the-surprise-cameo-in-alien-romulus

• ALT1: ... that Alien: Romulus (2024) starred an actor (pictured) who died in 2020? Source: https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20240820-why-people-are-upset-about-the-surprise-cameo-in-alien-romulus
• ALT2: ... that the decision to digitally include the late Ian Holm (pictured) in Alien: Romulus (2024) was described as "a disgraceful act of grave robbery or necromancy"? Source: https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20240820-why-people-are-upset-about-the-surprise-cameo-in-alien-romulus
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Walter G. Benz Jr.

Improved to Good Article status by Lankyant (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

Lankyant (talk) 03:19, 14 November 2024 (UTC).

• ** ALT3: ... that The Offspring in Alien: Romulus (2024) was played by a 2.31 m (7 ft 7 in) tall Romanian former basket player?Source: https://www.usatoday.com/story/entertainment/movies/2024/08/17/alien-romulus-spoilers-ending-plot/74766600007/

2007 Greensburg tornado

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• ... that the 2007 Greensburg tornado was the first EF5-rated tornado to hit the United States? Source: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/267555392_Damage_survey_of_the_Greensburg_KS_tornado
  • ALT1: ... that Greensburg, Kansas, after being hit by the 2007 Greensburg tornado, was rebuilt with the goal of making it a "green town"? Source: https://www.nrel.gov/buildings/assets/pdfs/53539.pdf
  • ALT2: ... that the 2007 Greensburg tornado devastated Greensburg, Kansas, leaving 95% of the town damaged to some degree? Source: https://www.nrel.gov/buildings/assets/pdfs/53539.pdf
  • ALT3: ... that the 2007 Greensburg tornado was one of only nine EF5-rated tornadoes to touch down in the United States? Source: https://www.spc.noaa.gov/faq/tornado/f5torns.html
  • ALT4: ... that the 2007 Greensburg tornado was 1.7 miles (2.7 km) wide? Source: https://www.greensburgks.org/community/pages/2007-ef5-tornado
  • ALT5: ... that the 2007 Greensburg tornado had up to ten smaller tornadoes rotating around it? Source: https://data.cincinnati.com/tornado-archive/kansas/37297/
  • ALT6: ... that after hitting Greensburg, Kansas, the 2007 Greensburg tornado looped around, almost hitting the town again? Source: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/267555392_Damage_survey_of_the_Greensburg_KS_tornado
  • ALT7: ... that Greensburg, a documentary series about recovery efforts following the 2007 Greensburg tornado, was created by Leonardo DiCaprio? Source: https://web.archive.org/web/20111005072555/http://www.greensburgks.org/news/greensburg-season-3-to-air-on-planet-green/
  • ALT8: ... that although the 2007 Greensburg tornado was the first to be rated F5/EF5 in the United States in nine years, the next F5/EF5 tornado would occur in Canada a month later? Source: https://www.spc.noaa.gov/faq/tornado/f5torns.html and https://www.theweathernetwork.com/en/news/weather/severe/this-day-in-weather-history-june-22-2007-elie-manitoba-tornado
  • ALT9: ... that the 2007 Greensburg tornado was the first "incredible tornado" to hit the United States? Source: https://www.iccsafe.org/building-safety-journal/bsj-dives/how-damage-determines-a-tornados-rating-from-fujita-to-enhanced-fujita/#:~:text=EF%2D4%3A%20Devastating%20damage%20(,damage%20(Over%20200%20mph).
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Manhasset
  • Comment: Damage Survey authors considered experts in their field (see Timothy P. Marshall).

Created by EF5 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 10 past nominations.

E_F⁵ 13:41, 13 November 2024 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 13

Austin Staats

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• ... that lacrosse player Austin Staats' contract was suspended after he bit another player's finger?

• Source: https://www.syracuse.com/sports/2021/06/former-occ-star-austin-staats-suspended-by-premier-lacrosse-league-after-off-field-altercation.html

• ALT1: ... that lacrosse player Austin Staats received a 7 game suspension for being a sore loser? Source: https://www.timesunion.com/sports/article/san-diego-player-gets-7-game-suspension-incident-19451876.php
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• Comment: ALT1 might be too disparaging. Idk, happy to receive input.

Created by SammySpartan (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

SammySpartan (talk) 23:16, 18 November 2024 (UTC).

• I don't think either hook would meet WP:DYKBLP given their negative tone and their arguably undue focus. A different angle is needed here. Maybe:

ALT2 ... that lacrosse player Austin Staats works part-time as a firefighter?

I understand that it's actually common for professional lacrosse players to have other jobs, but that knowledge may not be common to most readers and thus may still be considered intriguing or unusual. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:01, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

2025 Inter Miami CF season

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• ... that the 2025 season for Inter Miami CF includes matches in the FIFA Club World Cup? Source: USA Today
  • Reviewed: List of Chivas USA managers

Created by SounderBruce (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 242 past nominations.

SounderBruce 04:03, 18 November 2024 (UTC).

• Hello @SounderBruce:, where is your QPQ?--Launchballer 11:57, 18 November 2024 (UTC)
  • @Launchballer: QPQ has been added. SounderBruce 05:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Trey McKenney

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• ... that Trey McKenney made all 14 of his free throws in St. Mary's Preparatory's 2024 state championship victory?

• Source: https://www.mhsaa.com/sports/boys-basketball/stories/mckenney-grows-legend-leading-st-marys-1st-title-2000

ALT1 that Trey McKenney led his last place basketball team to the final four for his state?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 12:17, 17 November 2024 (UTC)

ALT2 that after Trey McKenney's basketball team finished in last place he led them to state championship the following year?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:10, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ernest Prestwich
• Comment: 2nd of 2 QPQs for Prestwich review

Created by TonyTheTiger (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 367 past nominations.

TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:40, 15 November 2024 (UTC).

Israel Ta-Shma

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• ... that the first publication of prolific author Israel Ta-Shma, a scholar of Talmud, was a 1960 Jewish songbook for the Israel Defense Forces?

• Source: Derovan, David (2007). "Ta-Shma, Israel Moses". In Berenbaum, Michael; Skolnik, Fred (eds.). Encyclopaedia Judaica. Vol. 19 (2nd ed.). Macmillan Reference USA, Keter Publishing House. p. 525. "first publication was a religious song book for IDF soldiers (1960) issued by the Chief Rabbinate of the IDF."

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Lova Rajaona
• Comment: His academic accomplishments are genuine but a bit hard to explain in a hook for a general audience. Of course, I will write ALT hooks if desired.

Created by ProfGray (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

ProfGray (talk) 18:22, 13 November 2024 (UTC).

Chrystal (musician)

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• ... that a reviewer wrote that Chrystal's 2017 single "Waves" "contains the best opening line we've heard all year"? Source: https://i-d.co/article/girl-from-the-north-country-singerproducer-chrystal-is-putting-her-northern-donk-on-pop/
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Eating Out 2: Sloppy Seconds
  • Comment: At time of writing, her single "The Days" is at number 55 in the UK singles chart. It is not currently notable, but if it becomes such I will add it to the nomination.

Moved to mainspace by Launchballer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 258 past nominations.

Launchballer 17:50, 13 November 2024 (UTC).

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Adrian Baril

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• ... that NFL player Adrian Baril was also a fat men's racing champion?

• Source: fat men's race (second column); NFL player

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/1984 Southland floods
• Comment: QPQ to be done within 24 hours.

5x expanded by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 273 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:47, 21 November 2024 (UTC).

• Or: ALT1 ... that NFL player Adrian Baril also was a "fat men's race" champion? BeanieFan11 (talk) 18:44, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Shelley Luther

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• ... that four years after being imprisoned, Shelley Luther won election to the Texas House of Representatives?

• Source: e.g. imprisoned (many sources for this); election

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Light Vessel 16
• Comment: QPQ to be done within 24 hours.

Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 272 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:44, 21 November 2024 (UTC).

Mother Solomon

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• ... that Mother Solomon returned to Ohio 22 years after the Indian Removal Act forced Wyandots into Kansas?

• Source: Marsh, Thelma R. (1984). Daughter of Grey Eyes: The Story of Mother Solomon. p. 41. OCLC 11815829. When John and Margaret arrived in their old village they had left twenty-two years earlier, there were only a few of the old buildings and sights as they remembered them.

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Improved to Good Article status by Averageuntitleduser (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Averageuntitleduser (talk) 00:59, 21 November 2024 (UTC).

Lower Chehalis people

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• ... that Hudson's Bay Company ships reserved special rooms for important Lower Chehalis visitors due to their key role in regional trade networks?

• Source: "Indicative of their importance to foreign traders, the [HBC] sometimes set aside rooms on their ships anchored in Baker Bay ... for important Chehalis men and women." (Ruby, Brown & Collins, 2010, p. 163).

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Moved to mainspace by PersusjCP (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 6 past nominations.

PersusjCP (talk) 17:02, 20 November 2024 (UTC).

• QPQ in progress. Template:Did you know nominations/Bob Hobman. PersusjCP (talk) 17:55, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Upper Chehalis people

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• ... that the Upper Chehalis people adopted horses widely after their introduction, becoming known as "equestrian" compared to their coastal neighbors?

• Source: "In the mid-nineteenth century, Gibbs (1877:178) described the Upper Chehalis as 'equestrian in their habits.'" (Hajda, 1990, p. 508)

"The facilities for grazing offered by this tract have induced in the occupants equestrian habits, which distinguish them from their neighbors. The number of their horses is, of course, inconsiderable, as compared with the tribes of the great plains, but has been sufficient to create an exception to the otherwise universal aquatic life of the coast region. The bands included are chiefly the Niskwallis [sic] proper and the Upper Tsihalis [sic]." (Gibbs, 1877, p. 169)

• • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Saybrook Colony.
  • Comment: QPQ done

Moved to mainspace by PersusjCP (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

PersusjCP (talk) 16:56, 20 November 2024 (UTC).

The Last Dance (2024 film)

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• ... that The Last Dance became the Hong Kong film with the highest opening day gross in history in November 2024?

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• ALT1: ... that The Last Dance was filmed at the Tung Wah Coffin Home, marking the first time the coffin depository has been opened for filming? Source:
• ALT2: ... that actress Michelle Wai learned to perform a Taoist funeral ritual to prepare for her role in The Last Dance, a ritual traditionally performed only by men? Source:
• ALT3: ... that the director-screenwriter created The Last Dance, a funeral-themed story, after the death of his grandmother? Source:
• ALT4: ... that singer-songwriter Terence Lam made his film scoring debut with the 2024 film The Last Dance? Source:
• ALT5: ... that The Last Dance surpassed A Guilty Conscience to become the fastest Hong Kong film to gross HKD$10 million, with both films starring Dayo Wong? Source:
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Trisha Stafford-Odom

Created by Prince of Erebor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 24 past nominations.

Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 15:51, 14 November 2024 (UTC).

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Pflaumentoffel

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Pflaumentoffel

• ... that Pflaumentoffel (pictured), edible figures made from prunes, were sold by children in German Christmas markets in the 19th century?
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Snooze (song)
  • Comment: For Christmas Eve/Christmas

Created by Thriley (talk) and Grimes2 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 153 past nominations.

Thriley (talk) 18:54, 22 November 2024 (UTC).

Moses sees Rabbi Akiva (Menachot 29b)

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• ... that Moses sees Rabbi Akiva (Menachot 29b) martyred, and his body consumed, in a Talmud story that is compared to the transfiguration of Jesus?

• Source: Zellentin, Holger (2023). Aras, Martina; Rizk, Charbel; Stosch, Klaus von (eds.). “Honour with Silence the Words of Your Creator” -- Moses’ Silence in bMenaḥot 29b in Light of its Jewish and Christian Context. Beiträge zur komparativen Theologie. Paderborn: Brill . "In my view, the Bavli’s typological reading of Aqiva comes as close as possible to the Christian model, without, however, overstepping the line: Aqiva is perhaps “the one,” but not a new Adam; he is a messianic figure, but not the Messiah; and he is martyred and his body consumed, but he is not yet resurrected."

• ALT1: ... that Biblical and post-Biblical characters rarely meet in Talmudic stories, as when Moses sees Rabbi Aviva teach and be martyred? Source: Jeffrey Rubenstein, Stories of the Babylonian Talmud (Baltimore: Johns Hopkins University Press, 2010), 182–20. "I know of no other story that bridges the typically impermeable break between the time of the bible and the time of the sages ...." In 2002, Rubenstein said, "The juxtaposition of these two characters violates the typically strict separation between the biblical and post-biblical times."
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Oliver Hutchinson
• Comment: This is a fictional work (story), so DYK facts are about the story's features or interpretation. Another hook: it can be seen as a "failed theodicy" since God tells Moses to be silent in the face of Akiva's torture. But the hook idea is hard to articulate within the time we have.

Created by ProfGray (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

ProfGray (talk) 20:24, 20 November 2024 (UTC).

• Comment ALT1 is probably better, but ungrammatical. Better:
• ALT2 : ... that meetings between Biblical and post-Biblical characters, as when Moses sees Rabbi Aviva teach and be martyred, are rare in Talmudic stories? Same refs. Johnbod (talk) 04:13, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

The Americans

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• ... that the creator of The Americans, Joe Weisberg, drew inspiration for the show from his time as a CIA officer and the 2010 Russian spy scandal known as the Illegals Program?

• Source: https://entertainment.time.com/2013/01/30/qa-the-cia-officer-behind-the-new-spy-drama-the-americans/

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• Comment: Helped get this to GA status and feel this would be a good DYK from the article.

Improved to Good Article status by Ktkvtsh (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Ktkvtsh (talk) 02:33, 16 November 2024 (UTC).

Gruppentheorie und Quantenmechanik

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• ... that reading Hermann Weyl's Gruppentheorie und Quantenmechanik has been said to be like watching "a smiling figure on horseback" wielding "a swift bright sword"?

• Source: https://www.jstor.org/stable/27854250

• ALT1: ... that in his book Gruppentheorie und Quantenmechanik, Hermann Weyl worried about a "crisis in quantum physics" that the discovery of antimatter would resolve? Source: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/weyl/
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Created by XOR'easter (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

XOR'easter (talk) 00:23, 16 November 2024 (UTC).

Fagoppositionens Sammenslutning

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• ... that members of the Trade Union Opposition Federation stormed the Copenhagen Stock Exchange?

• Source: Knudsen, Knud (2023). "Syndicalism and Strikes in Denmark, 1917–1920: The Syndicalist Challenge to Social Democratic Trade Union Leadership". In Jørgensen, Jesper; Mikkelsen, Flemming (eds.). Trade Union Activism in the Nordic Countries since 1900. Palgrave Studies in the History of Social Movements. Palgrave Macmillan. p. 78. doi:10.1007/978-3-031-08987-9_4. ISBN 978-3-031-08987-9.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ethel Preston memorial

Improved to Good Article status by Grnrchst (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 44 past nominations.

Grnrchst (talk) 15:55, 15 November 2024 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 16

GNX (album)

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• ... that Kendrick Lamar's album GNX was described as his "greatest work" by a critic after being surprise released?

• Source: Billboard, Variety (surprise release) and Stereogum (comment)

• ALT1: ... that on the GNX track "Reincarnated", Kendrick Lamar has a conversation with God? Source: The Line of Best Fit
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Gao Qifeng
• Comment: I seem to be about two hours late but hopefully that is excusable.

Created by Lk95 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 83 past nominations.

NØ 13:56, 23 November 2024 (UTC).

Marzēaḥ

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• ... that an inscription from 243 AD for a leader of the marzēaḥ ends with blesses for his sons, the scribe, the person in charge of the cooking, the cupbearer and other assistants?

• Source: https://archive.org/details/archivesfromelep0000port

• ALT1: ... that therelationship between the marzēaḥ and veneration of the dead is still debated among scholars, due to sporadic literary evidence?

• Source: https://www.jstor.org/stable/23621930

— Preceding unsigned comment added by TNM101 (talk • contribs) 17:51, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

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Created by פעמי-עליון (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

TNM101 (chat) 07:21, 17 November 2024 (UTC).

Chris Wright (energy executive)

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• ... that the energy executive Chris Wright once drank fracking fluid to prove it was not dangerous?

• Source: Reuters

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bea Hines

Created by ElijahPepe (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 5 past nominations.

elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 23:11, 16 November 2024 (UTC).

I'll be taking this. :)

General eligibility:

• New enough:
• Long enough:
• Other problems: - Linkedin is used twice as a source, and should probably be removed. The "expansion" tag also needs to be dealt with.

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: See above, after those are addressed I can approve. E_F⁵ 20:09, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Pinging nominator, @ElijahPepe:. E_F⁵ 20:09, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

@ElijahPepe: Please address the above. Z1720 (talk) 13:44, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

@EF5: I could not find a citation to replace the LinkedIn reference, so I removed the sentence. The length of "Early life and education" is fine and contains as much information as is presently known. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 03:50, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Y Looks good. E_F⁵ 18:48, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Bernard Gray (Sunday Pictorial journalist)

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• ... that war correspondent Bernard Gray was killed while travelling as an unofficial passenger aboard a Royal Navy submarine during the Second World War?

• Source: "He was revealed as the only unofficial passenger to sail on a British submarine in the second world war, and the only journalist to die in one. He was killed with 43 other men when enemy aircraft bombed the submarine HMS Urge on her way from Malta to Egypt in May 1942." from: Ezard, John (15 November 2003). "'Piratical' reporter's death on second world war submarine confirmed". The Guardian.

• ALT1: ... that during the 1940 German invasion of Belgium Bernard Gray reported from Brussels alongside Kim Philby, later revealed to be a Soviet spy? Source: "Bernard Gray of London's Sunday Pictorial managed to get into Brussels on May 15 with Harold 'Kim' Philby of The Times, who would years later be revealed to have been a Soviet agent since 1934." from: Moseley, Ray (21 February 2017). Reporting War: How Foreign Correspondents Risked Capture, Torture and Death to Cover World War II. Yale University Press. p. 7. ISBN 978-0-300-22634-8.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Campo Valdés Roman baths

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 909 past nominations.

Dumelow (talk) 23:07, 16 November 2024 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 17

Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab Al Faihani

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Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab Al Faihani

• ... that Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab's claimed photo circulated online is actually Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab Al Faihani?

• Source: https://www.fnoor.com/main/articles.aspx?article_no=25693

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab Al Faihani

Created by Faldi00 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Faldi00 (talk) 19:35, 19 November 2024 (UTC).

• ALT1... that the photo circulated online claimed to be of Muhammad ibn Abd al-Wahhab (d. 1792) is actually Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab Al Faihani?

Same refs etc. Bit spicier. Johnbod (talk) 21:10, 24 November 2024 (UTC)

De Worsten van Babel

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• ... that The "Sausages"' first sausage was filled with 3 courses and an espresso? Source: https://visrecepten.nl/vijf-vragen-aan-hugo-kennis
  • ALT1: ... that The "Sausages of Babel" studied musical theatre and graphic design? Source: https://bron.fontys.nl/tv-kok-hugo-kennis-fontys-hardste-leerschool-ooit/ https://oldschool.rietveldacademie.nl/project/the-cave-at-amstel-41-saturday-8-june https://www.kabk.nl/alumni/bachelor-grafisch-ontwerpen/2011-2020 (2015)
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/MrBeast Lab

Moved to mainspace by Bogger (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 28 past nominations.

Bogger (talk) 00:11, 18 November 2024 (UTC).

Qian Xingcun

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• ... that the Communist literary critic Qian Xingcun had a feud with Mao?

• Source: Anderson, Marston (1990). The Limits of Realism: Chinese Fiction in the Revolutionary Period. Berkeley: University of California Press. ISBN 978-0-520-06436-2. "Qian similarly censured Mao Dun's work for its exclusive focus on the dark side of life, for its retrospective tone, and for its failure to communicate a sense of the future.[60] In Qian's view, Mao Dun was obsessed with out-of-date literary forms and failed to recognize the necessity of inventing new forms to give expression to the concerns of a new age.[61]"

• ALT1: ... that the literary critic Qian Xingcun brought several Communist writers into the Shanghai film industry? Source: *Xiao, Zhiwei (1998). "Ah Ying". In Zhang, Yingjin; Xiao, Zhiwei (eds.). Encyclopedia of Chinese Film. New York, London: Routledge. p. 79. ISBN 978-0-415-15168-9.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Phoebe Plummer (3 of 4)

Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 707 past nominations.

 — Chris Woodrich (talk) 16:41, 17 November 2024 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 18

Dithapelo Keorapetse

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• ... that Dithapelo Keorapetse was named Speaker of the National Assembly of Botswana shortly after having lost his bid for election to the legislature?

• Source: Daily News via Facebook ("DITHAPELO KEORAPETSE SPEAKER OF THE 13th PARLIAMENT ... Mr Keorapetse was MP for Selebi Phikwe West for two terms from 2014-2024 ... He did not succeed in his bid to win the constituency for the third time in the October 30 general elections.")

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Elham Mahamid Ruzin
• Comment: The source for the hook, although Facebook, is from what appears to be the official account of the newspaper Daily News Botswana, thus I think it is probably reliable.

Moved to mainspace by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 274 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:49, 25 November 2024 (UTC).

HMS Unruffled

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HMS Unruffled

• ... that a cat, Timoshenko, joined HMS Unruffled on twenty wartime patrols in 1942–43?

• Source: Recorded in Burdened but Unruffled: The Story of a World War II Submarine and its Crew by James Gregan, and discussed by Lieutenant J M Stevens in an interview with the IWM

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5x expanded by Heavywick (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Heavywick (talk) 15:31, 21 November 2024 (UTC).

• Comment: @Heavywick: You're missing a citation at the end of the fifth paragraph in the "Career" section. I also notice that you don't mention or link to ship's cat, military mascot, or military animal in the body of the article, provided at least one of those are relevant. I think Timoshenko qualifies as a ship's cat given his biography. Many ship's cats have similar origin stories. It's also unusual to have such a large section without subsection headings, not just for the accessibility of the reader, but also to group related material. Viriditas (talk) 09:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment:@Viriditas: Thank you for the feedback, I have linked ship's cat, moved the citation in para five, and added subheadings to the career section. Heavywick (talk) 09:22, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• @Heavywick: I just went through and fixed some typos, removed a duplicate source, and moved the other sources to a further reading holding pen you may want to change. You can see my edits here. Please check the dates of engagement in the "Career" section as they appear to differ from the dates in the "Successes" section. There may be a reason for this or it may just be a typo. Or it may be late and I'm seeing things. Either way, have a look. Aside from that, the only thing left for me to do is random spot checks of the sources. I will do that tomorrow as I'm half asleep at the moment and can barely type. Viriditas (talk) 10:43, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing: - n
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing: - ?
• Other problems: - WP:RS/SPS

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: The original article was expanded just slightly under 5x from a 1766 character article lacking inline sources[45] to a 8507 character article with additional inline citations, all within the relevant time frame.[46] Technically, 5x would amount to 8830 characters, a deficiency of 323. I'm willing to let that slide (and there's a possibility that the DYK check count is wrong and the 5x expansion was met, that has happened in the past). The issue at this time is not the 5x requirement but the use of James Gregan's well researched, but self-published book Burdened but Unruffled: The Story of a World War II Submarine and its Crew (2016),[47] which was published with the help of the Mereo Books publishing service, which primarily helps independent authors design and sometimes even ghostwrite their books. I see that Wikipedia uses a lot of books by Mereo as sources, but my guess is that most of them are established authors and relevant experts in their field. I have tried to confirm that James Gregan meets this qualification but I could not. I attempted to find book reviews, but could not. To argue both sides, I will note that the introduction of Gregan's book does contain a number of potential bona fides, and that could perhaps be used to argue for its inclusion. For example, in the introduction, Gregan names experts who helped him edit and revise his material. I don't have full access to the book at the moment, just snippets from Google Books, but some of the material I reviewed made me wonder if the author added fictionalized accounts or if it was just straight facts; this is unclear to me. Because the close to 5x expansion was accomplished solely using Gregan's work instead of the other sources already listed in the further reading section, this presents a dilemma, as Wikipedia articles must be primarily based on reliable secondary sources whenever possible. Per WP:SPS, "Self-published expert sources may be considered reliable when produced by an established subject-matter expert, whose work in the relevant field has previously been published by reliable, independent publications." It is entirely unclear if Gregan meets this bright line. Because I am a fan of this article (and ship's cats everywhere) and would love to see it progress further, I will hold out rejecting it outright for the moment while I give the nominator the benefit of the doubt and ask for additional input on the project talk page. Just to note, Earwig did not find anything objectionable, but it's not clear if it had access to the book content. Viriditas (talk) 20:42, 25 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment:@Viriditas:

Thank you for the feedback.

For clarity, Gregan's book is entirely factual, and does not contain any fictionalisation. It draws primarily on Admiralty records, and on an interview with the boat's captain that is available online - as these are primary sources, I don't believe they can be cited directly? There simply aren't any other secondary sources on HMS Unruffled that cover it in depth approaching Gregan's work.

From looking at other articles, uboat.net (which draws on the same admiralty records) seems to be accepted as a reliable source. The page for HMS Unruffled contains an essentially identical record of HMS Unruffled's career to Gregan's work, albeit with less details around non-operational matters (ie. the cat, the crew's celebration in Colchester, etc.)

Heavywick (talk) 17:4, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

@Heavywick: Do you know if Gregan is known as an expert in his field? Are there any book reviews or independent mentions of his work elsewhere by military historians? Is it safe to assume Gregan is an independent scholar, researcher or writer, who published this book himself? Or did he receive public funding from a reputable organization? For the book to meet SPS, we need answers to those questions. In one of the snippets that I saw, there was an unusual and fanciful account of the ship’s cat eating lobster that sounded embellished. That made me wonder about the rest of the book. Part of the problem here is we don’t know who the author is and don’t have much info about the book. OCLC doesn’t even have a full entry, just an auto generated listing with no details. And if OCLC doesn’t have it, that’s a real issue. So there are questions. Anything you can do to answer them would be great. I will also a file a noticeboard request in the appropriate place to get more opinions. Viriditas (talk) 18:34, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Comment:@Viriditas: From what I can see this is Gregan's only work, and doesn't seem to have received public funding, so I suppose he wouldn't qualify as an expert. I was unaware Mereo was a self-publishing platform until today. I see what you mean with the passage mentioning the lobster, as an out-of-context snippet that could definitely give that impression; it's not a frequent occurence in the book, though it does note what the crew ate on a particular day every now and then. Heavywick (talk) 18:49, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

@Heavywick: Got it. I wonder if we can triangulate some kind of reliability between uboat.net, the Admiralty records, and Gregan's book. In general, RS doesn't work that way, but I think given the solidity of the topic, there might a bit of leeway this way or that, I don't know. For example, you note above that Gregan's book mirrors other sources, primary or otherwise. If you had to make a rough guess, how much of the Gregan book that you currently use is found in some other source? Just take a guess. Would it be 80%, for example? Your answer will give me something to go on when I bring this to the RS board. Viriditas (talk) 19:07, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• @Viriditas: Yes, 80% or thereabouts sounds accurate for the amount of content that also appears on uboat.net. Ultimately they're both drawing on the same set of Admiralty records. Throughout the career section it's probably 90% or more, with the exceptions being odd bits of detail, and anything about Timoshenko, most of which I believe comes from the interview with Stevens, and there's a few bits that cite newspaper interviews with another crew member. Heavywick (talk) 11:45, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• I'm trying to think outside the box on this. Is there any way you can replace some of the material with reliable secondary sources, and some of the material with links to the primary sources such as the Admiralty records directly? That would go a long way towards solving most of the problem. If you can’t do that, can you note the relationship between Gregan and the experts he said he talked to and interviewed in the introduction? I realize that is reaching, as notability isn’t inherited and it’s still a SPS lacking expertise, but in my mind it qualifies as a kind of oral history if it is used carefully, in other words, a primary source. I think the key here is find more reliable secondary sources. It’s surprising there aren’t more out there. So far, I’ve asked for additional input and advice from both the DYK and military history project. I will pursue the RS noticeboard as well. Viriditas (talk) 00:34, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Entitativity

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• ... that entitativity is why some groups feel more “groupy” than others?

• Source: Research shows that people consistently distinguish between different types of groups based on perceived entitativity. Intimacy groups, such as family and friends, are generally considered the most entitative. Task groups, like committees, come next, followed by social categories (e.g., gender, race). Finally, loose associations—such as people who like classical music or those waiting in line at the bank—are seen as the least entitative.

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Created by Andrea Low (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Andrea Low (talk) 08:54, 20 November 2024 (UTC).

• The article is new enough (5x expansion starting 18 November) and long enough. The article is also well sourced. However, the word "groupy" doesn't appear in the quoted source. Nor does it appear in the Wikipedia article you wrote. We really need sourcing for the "groupy" part or an alternative hook that is supported by a reliable source and used in the article. Cbl62 (talk) 03:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

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Self-Portrait (Ellen Thesleff)

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• ... that art historians believe Self-Portrait may have been drawn by Ellen Thesleff in a trance-like state?

• Crabbe, Gilee (2019). "Hidden Influences". FNG Research. 4. Finnish National Gallery. Retrieved 19 November 2024.

Quote, p. 3: "Thesleff was known to have practised automatic drawing...Thesleff continued working on the piece however, and when it was shown again – she dated it twice – the artist had worked on it further in sepia ink, giving it a deeper chiaroscuro, a technique resembling the sepiatone spirit photographs that were popular among esoteric circles at the time. 'The way the head emerges from the dark background makes it seem like an immaterial spirit in the process of materialisation,' said Lahelma. 'This processual method resembles the surrealists' quest to liberate the creative imagination by using experimental methods based on psychic automatism and trance states. Before the surrealists turned this into a conscious artistic method, this kind of technique was used in mediumistic art.' In Thesleff's piece, Lahelma continued, 'the introspective attitude is manifest both in technique and in the facial expression and the artist appears to be in some kind of creative trance. And this is a significant point, here it is not only the content or the subject matter that is connected to esoteric ideas but also the technique – not only what has been represented but how it has been represented. Perhaps here we can think of art as an esoteric practice.'"

• Lahelma, Marja (2014). Ideal and Disintegration: Dynamics of the Self and Art at the Fin-de-Siècle. (PhD thesis). University of Helsinki. pp. 148-179. ISBN 9789521097287. OCLC 897998723.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Jugtown Historic District; Template:Did you know nominations/Port Mercer, New Jersey; Template:Did you know nominations/HMS Unruffled

Created by Viriditas (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 31 past nominations.

Viriditas (talk) 05:30, 26 November 2024 (UTC).

Jews in the Polish Army

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• ... that about 200,000 Polish Jews served in the Polish Army and related formations during World War II? Source: https://www.avotaynu.com/books/PolishOfficers.htm
  • ALT1: ... that before World War II, Jews in the Polish Army formed about a fifth of the Polish military medical services? Source: https://bip.ipn.gov.pl/download/4/11804/Zalaczniknr2doSIWZMakieta.pdf (p. 104 of the pdf IIRC)
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Qizil Tugh
  • Comment: While one could argue that some details from the body might be more interesting, they might also make the hook less neutral. But see ALT1 if you want something weirder.

Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 535 past nominations.

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:43, 23 November 2024 (UTC).

German atrocities committed against prisoners of war during World War II

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• ... that during WW2 Germans committed numerous atrocities against prisoners of war? Source: pretty much any source, but see for example: Hébert, Valerie Geneviève (2021-02-12). Hitler's Generals on Trial: The Last War Crimes Tribunal at Nuremberg. University Press of Kansas. ISBN 978-0-7006-3267-1. 150–153
  • ALT1: ... that after World War II, during the Nuremberg High Command Trial, almost all of the German high commanders tried were found guilty of crimes against POWs? Source: a bit less generic; same source as above
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Christmas Invasion

Created by Piotrus (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 534 past nominations.

_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:58, 22 November 2024 (UTC).

2019 NFC Divisional Playoff game (Seattle–Green Bay)

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• ... that the Seattle Seahawks' loss to the Green Bay Packers in their 2019 Divisional Playoff game was their ninth straight to the Packers at Lambeau Field?

• Source: "Seahawks fans have plenty of bad memories of their favorite team's performances in Green Bay, with the losing streak at Lambeau Field now at nine straight games. The last such win for Seattle was on Nov. 1, 1999."

• Reviewed: Sehome, Bellingham, Washington

Moved to mainspace by Gonzo fan2007 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 51 past nominations.

« Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 15:36, 21 November 2024 (UTC).

Sun Haven (video game)

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• ... that players can marry the leader in Sun Haven?

• Source: https://www.escapistmagazine.com/all-sun-haven-marriage-candidates-romance-guide/#h-lucia

"Lucia is Sun Haven’s enthusiastic and magically gifted leader." and "To romance Sun Haven’s Lucia, opt for fiery and magical gifts."

• • ALT1: ... that players have unlimited energy in Sun Haven, unlike other farm sims? Source: https://www.ign.com/wikis/sun-haven/Tips_and_Tricks_for_Beginners "One of our favorite features in Sun Haven (or lack thereof) is a stamina system. You don't need to worry about passing out from exerting too much energy like you do in other farming games"
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/The Crimson Diamond
  • Comment: Coincidentally, the QPQ is also a video game. I've been waiting for this game on the Switch (even though I don't own one) and its finally due to release by end of month! It was all because of this video.

Moved to mainspace by JuniperChill (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

JuniperChill (talk) 00:29, 20 November 2024 (UTC).

• Note: this may be suitable to run on 30 November, the day after the game is on the Switch as its scheduled to release on 29 Nov at 0700 PST (1500 UTC) according to this Reddit post, which was posted by one of the developers (see the username). I totally forgot about the special hook occasion and only just realised. If not, the 29th will do. JuniperChill (talk) 22:40, 21 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Also ALT0a: that players can marry Lucia, the leader of Sun Haven?

Mo Tzu-yi

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• ... that actor Mo Tzu-yi worked as a dishwasher for about a year in his early acting career to make a living?

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• ALT1: ... that actor Mo Tzu-yi only takes on one role offer at a time? Source:
• ALT2: ... that actor Mo Tzu-yi had worked at Eslite Bookstore and often read books there even when he was off duty? Source:
• ALT3: ... that Taiwanese actor Mo Tzu-yi was cast in the Australian-Singaporean film Canopy after the director saw a previous work of his? Source:
• ALT4: ... that Mo Tzu-yi won a Golden Horse Award for Best Leading Actor for Dear Tenant? Source:
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Fen Juhua

Created by Prince of Erebor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 25 past nominations.

Prince of Erebor（The Book of Mazarbul） 16:49, 19 November 2024 (UTC).

Edoardo Tiretta

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• ... that Casanova's friend Edoardo Tiretta built a bazaar in India?

• Source: Around 1783, Tiretta was granted permission to construct a ‘puckabazaar’, which spread over nine bighas and eight cottahs of ground, ‘withconvenient shops, surrounded with a colonnade veranda’. In 1788, themarketplace was valued at Sicca Rupees 1,96,000 and given away as first prize ina lottery. Its ownership changed over time but in the popular imagination, thebazaar continues to be referred to as Tiretta’s, or some variant thereof.” - https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/kolkata/bowing-out/articleshow/68747124.cms

• ALT1: ... that Casanova's friend Edoardo Tiretta was known to make love six times a night?

• Source: I went with my friend, and as soon as the harebrain saw us she fell on Tiretta’s neck, calling him dear Count “Six-times”—a name which stuck to him all the time he was at Paris.
  “What has gained my friend so fine a title, madam?”
  “His erotic achievements. He is lord of an honour of which little is known in France, and I am desirous of being the lady.” - https://www.gutenberg.org/cache/epub/2981/pg2981-images.html

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Created by WoodElf (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

User:WoodElf 06:24, 19 November 2024 (UTC).

.zip (top-level domain)

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• ... that despite security concerns about the top-level domain .zip, researchers found it contained slightly less malicious usage than the general internet?

• Source: Deacon, Alex (July 17, 2023). "The .zip TLD: Ripe for abuse, but so far so good". DNS Research Federation.

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Moved to mainspace by Bobby Cohn (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Bobby Cohn (talk) 01:53, 19 November 2024 (UTC).

• Not a review, but the hook rather buries the lede somewhat. Assuming they check out, I suggest ALT1: ... that the release of the .zip top-level domain was condemned by cyber security experts?--Launchballer 02:04, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

  This was a case where I was steeped in the source material and after reading nothing but negativity about the subject, it was the fact that made me go "huh, actually less you say?" But I agree, this is an appropriate summary of the article. I may have also been trying to avoid the pitfall of being too negative, something that came up in my last DYKN. Nonetheless, though I'm not familiar with the process, I endorse the ALT1 in addition to my own phrasing. Bobby Cohn (talk) 02:09, 19 November 2024 (UTC)

Articles created/expanded on November 20

Pula Nikolao Pula, Pulu Ae Ae Jr.

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• ... that the 2024 American Samoan gubernatorial election was won by Pula and Pulu?

• Source: RNZ

• ALT1: ... that American Samoan legislator Pulu Ae Ae Jr. was known for his "outbursts" which were described as "the stuff of legend"? Source: quote from Samoa News
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Oh Hee-ok & Template:Did you know nominations/Carol and Eric Hafner
• Comment: To do the two QPQs within 24 hours. If the initial hook isn't considered interesting, I added a ALT hook with just one of the articles.

Created by BeanieFan11 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 4. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 275 past nominations.

BeanieFan11 (talk) 23:20, 27 November 2024 (UTC).

Moturoa Island (Bay of Islands)

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• ... that in the 1980s when Moturoa Island lost all its endangered kiwi to pest, experts reintroduced seven birds – today there could be as many as 400 kiwis on the island?

• Source: Kiwi were reintroduced to the island in 1984–85, with seven (including three breeding pairs) transported from Waitangi. The reintroduction was very successful – Kiwi numbers today have soared. A local landowner said there was 'great debate' over how many Kiwi live on the island, but 'estimates range from 100–300'.

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5x expanded by Petersmeter (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Petersmeter (talk) 07:20, 26 November 2024 (UTC).

• starting review--Kevmin § 00:30, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
  • First thing I'm seeing is a number of uncited statements in the article. Each unique fact should be cited.--Kevmin § 00:39, 30 November 2024 (UTC)
  • Petersmeter Additionally the hook fact needs to be present in the article, right now the article states 100-300 Kiwi (what species?), and does not cover the extirpation of the local population at all.--Kevmin § 00:45, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

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Renildo José dos Santos

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• ... that Renildo José dos Santos, a Brazilian councilman, was tragically murdered in 1993 after publicly declaring his bisexuality, and his murderers only started serving their sentences in 2015?

• Source: "Acusado de mandar matar vereador de Coqueiro seco se entrega à polícia". Alagoas (in Brazilian Portuguese). 2015-11-12. Retrieved 2024-11-27.

• ALT1: ... that Renildo José dos Santos, a Brazilian councilman, was murdered in 1993 after coming out as bisexual, and his legacy is honored with a human rights award in his name? Source: "Prêmio de Direitos Humanos Renildo José dos Santos acontece nesta terça em Maceió". Tribuna Hoje. Retrieved 2024-11-20.
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• Comment: Despite its creation becoming almost seven days before today, it was expanded today.

Created by MikutoH (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

--MikutoH ^talk! 23:48, 27 November 2024 (UTC).

• Comment: The first hook and some statements in the article may not meet WP:NPOV. TheBritinator (talk) 01:07, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

@TheBritinator: it may not be. But is it? You didn't state your perspective in a concrete way. --MikutoH ^talk! 17:21, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Á'a:líya Warbus

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• ... that rapper Apt Exact, who was described as "not gangster", was elected to the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia in 2024?

• Source: "Theresa Warbus, who raps as Apt Exact, of the duo Rapsure Risin’, remembers the reception the First Ladies received originally: "‘Who are these girls? They’re not gangster.’""Warner, Andrea (August 17, 2015). "Inside Canada's Indigenous Hip-Hop Scene With The First Ladies Crew". Pitchfork. Retrieved November 21, 2024.
  "Conservative candidate Á’a:líya Warbus has won the Chilliwack-Cultus Lake riding in the 2024 provincial election." Feinberg, Jennifer (October 19, 2024). "Conservative Á'a:líya Warbus wins Chilliwack-Cultus Lake riding". The Chilliwack Progress. Retrieved October 24, 2024.

• Reviewed: Goro Takahashi
• Comment: Gonna work on the QPQ soon, (Edit: Done!) just wanted to put the finishing touches on the article as soon as I could. For the reviewer, I wanted to add this note, since it can be confusing as Warbus uses several names. Á'a:líya Warbus was born Theresa Point, she was the daughter of former Lieutenant Governor Stephen Point. Point would later marry Kalvin Warbus, and go by Theresa Warbus-Point (or the other way around in some instances), before switching to solely having her surname be Warbus. Within the last two years, she had her name changed to Á'a:líya. Thus, the sources can be here and there with her given name, but it is all her. Older sources call her Theresa Point, sources in the late 2010s-2020s call her Theresa Warbus-Point, Theresa Point-Warbus, or Theresa Warbus, and the most recent ones call her Á'a:líya Warbus. It all can be quite confusing.

5x expanded by Ornithoptera (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 46 past nominations.

Ornithoptera (talk) 07:59, 26 November 2024 (UTC).

Doug Hamlin

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• ... that the National Rifle Association credited future CEO Doug Hamlin with saving the company $30 million as director of publications?

• Source: Parker, John (July 30, 2024). "NRA CEO & EVP Doug Hamlin Says 'Return On The Investment The Members Have Made In The NRA Is Undeniable'". NRA Shooting Sports USA. Retrieved November 20, 2024.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Nayib Bukele
• Comment: there's a much more interesting hook here, but DYKBLP and all that.

Moved to mainspace by Queen of Hearts (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 13 past nominations.

charlotte ^👸♥ 23:30, 25 November 2024 (UTC).

• If you're referring to what I think you're referring to, then for me it's interesting enough that they went after him for something that happened that long ago. I therefore propose ALT1 ... that after Doug Hamlin was appointed CEO of the NRA in May 2024, anonymous employees called for his suspension over something that happened in 1979? which I believe sidesteps the negative bit.--Launchballer 16:35, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

George K. Teulon

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• ... that according to George K. Teulon, all of the presidents and vice-presidents of the Republic of Texas, "and four-fifths" of its government officials were freemasons?

• Source: "FAQ's—Frequently Asked Questions". Star of the Republic Museum. Archived from the original on September 8, 2018.

• ALT1: ... that according to George K. Teulon, the Lone Star symbol of Texas was chosen because of its masonic symbolism, with the "five-pointed star" alluding "to the five points of fellowship"? Source: "Texas Masonic Pride: Early Beginnings". Grand Lodge of Texas. Archived from the original on May 8, 2009."Masonic Heroes of Texas". Grand Lodge of Texas. Archived from the original on June 3, 2003.
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Created by Aneirinn (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Aneirinn (talk) 05:26, 25 November 2024 (UTC).

Itim

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• ... that the 1976 Philippine film Itim was described as "one of the most remarkable debuts in cinema history"?

• Source: MoMA

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dim Montero

Improved to Good Article status by Mushy Yank (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 80 past nominations.

NØ 12:38, 23 November 2024 (UTC).

Bronx General Post Office

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The Bronx General Post Office

• ... that an X-ray machine was once placed in the Bronx General Post Office's lobby? Source: "City Starts TB Hunt". New York Herald Tribune. December 13, 1955. p. 25.
  • ALT1: ... that the Bronx General Post Office's roof once had a shooting range? Source: "U. S. Post Office Bronx, New York" (PDF). Architectural Forum. Vol. 68, no. 6. June 1938. p. 481.
  • ALT2: ... that the Bronx General Post Office, proposed as early as 1902, was not finished for 35 years? Source: Bronx General Post Office Lobby, First Floor Interior (PDF) (Report). New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission. December 17, 2013. pp. 2–3.
  • ALT3: ... that the Bronx General Post Office could not get bulletproof shields because it was a landmark? Source: "Barriers: To Protect And Serve". Newsday. March 23, 1995. p. A.07
  • ALT4: ... that graduate students visited the Bronx General Post Office to write dissertations about its murals? Source: Kaufman, Michael T. (February 25, 1995). "About New York; On a Bronx Wall, Faded Colors of an Era of Hope". The New York Times.
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Castle Knob
  • Comment: Credit goes to Pretzelles for suggesting ALT0 and ALT1.

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 686 past nominations.

Epicgenius (talk) 15:00, 21 November 2024 (UTC).

Eurovision Song Contest 1984

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• ... that booing heard after the UK's entry at the Eurovision Song Contest 1984 was reportedly either a response to past football hooliganism, claims of lip syncing, or alleged plagiarism of the Supremes?

• Source: Luxembourg 1984 Herrey's gladde winnaars festival (in Dutch) "De enige juiste beslissing van al die jury's was de afstraffing van Engeland dat met puur pikwerk van The Supremes hoog wilde eindigen. [...] Maar toen zij gezongen hadden klonk er in de zaal en luid boe-geroep."

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Murad Al-Katib

Improved to Good Article status by Sims2aholic8 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 23 past nominations.

Sims2aholic8 (talk) 11:42, 21 November 2024 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 22

Noel Hilliam

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• ... that shipwreck hunter Noel Hilliam claimed to find a sunken U-Boat off the coast of New Zealand?

• Source: In 2008 The Underwater Heritage Group (of which Noel Hilliam was vice-president) announced that they had discovered a German U-boat off the Kaipara Coast. Hilliam claimed the submarine had been 'observed seven times' and three divers had been to it – however, no photographs exist and it has not since been seen.

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Moved to mainspace by Petersmeter (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Petersmeter (talk) 07:06, 26 November 2024 (UTC).

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Sugya

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• ... that the composition of a sugya, or passage in the Babylonian Talmud, has multiple layers, with the latest edited with an anonymous voice?

• Source: "Separating the Tannaitic, Amoraic, and Stammaitic layers reveals that the rabbis employ increasingly abstract formulations and concepts in their legal science." Stammaitic = anonymous (same source). See: Rubenstein at https://www.ancientjewreview.com/read/2016/2/9/talmudicstories

• ALT1: ... that a sugya, or passage in the Talmud, may be read as folklore, philosophy, proto-feminist, or legal virtuosity? Source: Folklore -- Stein, Dina (2019). "Linguistic Liaisons: Wives and Vows in the Babylonian Talmud (BT Nedarim 66a-b)". Nashim: A Journal of Jewish Women's Studies & Gender Issues (35). Philosophy: Lévinas, Emmanuel; Aronowicz, Annette; Lévinas, Emmanuel (1990). Nine Talmudic readings. Bloomington: Indiana Univ. Press. ISBN 978-0-253-20876-7. Proto-feminist: Hauptman, Judith (1998). Rereading the rabbis: a woman's voice. Boulder, Colo.: Westview Press. ISBN 978-0-8133-3400-4. Conceptual "virtuosity: -- Moscovitz, Leib (2003). ""Designation is Significant": An Analysis of the Conceptual Sugya in bSan 47b–48b". AJS Review. 27 (2): 227–252. Let me know if quotes from sources would be helpful.
• ALT2: ... that anonymous editors may create a sugya, or passage in the Talmud, by rewording quotations by earlier rabbis? Source: Moscovitz, Leib. "'The Holy Blessed One Be He... Does Not Permit the Righteous to Stumble': Reflections on the Development of a Remarkable BT Theologoumenon." In Rubenstein, Jeffrey L., ed. Creation and Composition: the Contribution of the Bavli Redactors (Stammaim) to the Aggada. Mohr Sieback, 2005, p126 "Second, the anonymous BT redactors contributed to the Talmud by reformulating amoraic dicta, not just by adding to their statements." Friedman, Shamma (2005). "A Good Story Deserves Retelling – The Unfolding Of The Akiva Legend" in same book: see p.72 "anonymous voice in the sugyot... original and creative rather than simply preserving or transmitting"
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tony Pajaczkowski
• Comment: Open to suggestions with the hook, trying to avoid insider jargon. Also, please help with my faulty template use in the QPQ. Btw, "proto-feminist" isn't quite parallel structure.

Created by ProfGray (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

ProfGray (talk) 04:43, 24 November 2024 (UTC).

I Care So Much That I Don't Care at All

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• ... that Glaive recorded the first track for I Care So Much That I Don't Care at All at the age of 17?

• Source: Vulture

• ALT1: ... that Glaive's album I Care So Much That I Don't Care at All opens with a track about suicidal ideation and self-hatred, which he recorded at the age of 17? Source: Vulture, NME, and The Line of Best Fit
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Ana Eva Hei

Improved to Good Article status by Locust member (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 79 past nominations.

NØ 12:26, 23 November 2024 (UTC).

ILEA Educational Television Service

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• ... that a cable TV channel in the UK was still broadcasting in black and white as late as 1979?

• Source: "Both the ULAVC and ILEA had converted into colour production by 1980, however, the now old GPO VHF cable network was only just capable of transmitting high quality colour (it was originally designed for analogue black and white in 1967)."

https://blogs.imperial.ac.uk/videoarchive/ilea-channel-7-network-1968-1979/

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Created by Nylix4488 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Nylix4488 (talk) 01:03, 23 November 2024 (UTC).

Snow Globe Game

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• ... that in a snowy NFL playoff game, the Green Bay Packers fell behind 14–0 after two early fumbles, before scoring six straight touchdowns to win 42–20 and advance to the NFC Championship Game?

• Source: Here and here

• Reviewed: Ian Fyfe (Daily Mirror journalist)

Moved to mainspace by Gonzo fan2007 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 52 past nominations.

« Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 23:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC).

• Not a full review, more of a comment, but per the old supplementary guidelines "Don't assume everyone worldwide knows what country or sport you're talking about." and perhaps more relevantly WP:DYKINT, a rephrasing or different angle may be in order. Most of the world might not understand the hook as currently written as it relies somewhat on specialist American football terminology. This is not to say the hook angle is itself unusable, just that it may need to be reworded for the benefit of international readers and/or non-sports fans. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 09:38, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
  • I will await a full review. Thanks. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:37, 25 November 2024 (UTC)
  • @Gonzo fan2007: The article was new enough at the time of the nomination (moved to mainspace) and meets length requirements. I cannot use Earwig at the moment so the copyvio check will be to follow. A QPQ has been done. Most of the article is properly sourced. However, as mentioned above, the hook as currently written is rather specialist and thus may not be easily understood or appreciated by non-specialist readers. It's rather long, very detailed, and complicated, in addition to it confusing non-American readers. Due to these concerns, ALT0 has been struck. A simplified version of its hook fact, or perhaps a different angle, will be needed here. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 07:36, 26 November 2024 (UTC)
    • I would appreciate another reviewer taking this nom. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 14:39, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

I can respect that, and per your message I won't be participating in your nominations moving forward. However, I still think that the hook hard to read, and the interesting aspect is lost among all the details. Maybe if it is simplified to something like:

ALT1 ... that in a snowy NFL playoff game, the Green Bay Packers went from losing 14-0 to winning 42-20? (thanks to Epicgenius for suggesting the wording).

Of course, another editor can take a look. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:34, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

For future reviewers, I'm open to rewording, but I don't agree that "fumble" or "touchdown" are specialist terminology, similar to how "tackle" and "goal" are fairly well understood words in the English language, regardless of ones understanding of football/soccer. American football is an international sport with over 400 million followers across the world. « Gonzo fan2007 (talk) @ 23:45, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Siege of Ak-Mechet

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• ... that during the siege of Ak-Mechet, bored soldiers began stealing watermelons from gardens outside the enemy fortress?

• Source: * Abaza, Konstantin Konstantinovich (1902). Завоевание Туркестана [Conquest of Turkestan p=59] (in Russian). Saint Petersburg: Publishing House of Mikhail Stasyulevich.

• ALT1: ... that during the siege of Ak-Mechet, poor placement of Russian artillery batteries caused them to shoot into each other? Source: * Terentyev, Mikhail Afrikanovich (1906). Историю завоевания Средней Азии [The history of the conquest of Central Asia] (in Russian). Vol. 1. Saint Petersburg. p. 123.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: location missing publisher (link)
• ALT2: ... that after the siege of Ak-Mechet, a commander raised his handkerchief over the conquered fortress because he didn't have a Russian flag? Source: * Terentyev, Mikhail Afrikanovich (1906). Историю завоевания Средней Азии [The history of the conquest of Central Asia] (in Russian). Vol. 1. Saint Petersburg. p. 126.{{cite book}}: CS1 maint: location missing publisher (link)
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Created by CitrusHemlock (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

CitrusHemlock 15:10, 22 November 2024 (UTC).

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Articles created/expanded on November 23

An American Overture

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• ... that when Benjamin Britten's An American Overture was rediscovered, he wanted the score destroyed, but felt it was "a little bit too much to ask"?

• Source: Letters from a Life: The Selected Letters and Diaries of Benjamin Britten, 1913–1976 (Vol. 2), p. 985

• ALT1: ... that when Benjamin Britten's An American Overture was rediscovered, he claimed not to remember composing the work? Source: Ibid.
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kammerkonzert (Hartmann)
• Comment: The article is rich with hook ideas, so if more are needed, please ask!

Created by CurryTime7-24 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 52 past nominations.

CurryTime7-24 (talk) 22:48, 23 November 2024 (UTC).

Articles created/expanded on November 24

Bitcoin buried in Newport landfill

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• ... that a computer engineer from Newport, Wales, lost a hard drive with 8,000 Bitcoin in a landfill site in 2013, and is now suing the council for £495 million?

• Source: https://www.thetimes.com/article/it-worker-offers-council-50m-to-let-him-search-tip-for-bitcoin-hard-drive-vw3fskg8v

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgr0dyy152jo

• • ALT1: ... that a computer engineer from Newport, Wales, lost a hard drive with 8,000 Bitcoin in a landfill site in 2013, and is still trying to recover his missing fortune worth £495m? Source: https://www.thetimes.com/article/it-worker-offers-council-50m-to-let-him-search-tip-for-bitcoin-hard-drive-vw3fskg8v
    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cgr0dyy152jo
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Created by CommunityNotesContributor (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

CNC (talk) 17:35, 28 November 2024 (UTC).

Babak Ganjei

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• ... that Babak Ganjei tried to sell a painting of his credit card to Barclays? Source: The Quietus: "Some major financial institutions, like Deutsche Bank and Bank of America, have whole art departments, swathes of liveried curators and indentured experts, to manage their art world acquisitions. The likes of Gerhard Richter will see the red carpet extended to them at JPMorgan, their works the very jewel in a collection going back decades, heavy with Picassos, Rauschenbergs, and Warhols. But when Babak Ganjei tried to sell his painting of a credit card, All the Power to Barclaycard, he didn’t get through to the corporate art department. He got Dan in Customer Services."
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Brian Higgins (trade unionist)

Created by Jonathan Deamer (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 9 past nominations.

Jonathan Deamer (talk) 19:03, 26 November 2024 (UTC).

The King of Comedy Visits Shanghai

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• ... that The King of Comedy Visits Shanghai depicted Charlie Chaplin in China fourteen years before it happened?

• Source: Kelly, Ned (8 March 2016). "This Day in History: When Charlie Chaplin Came to China". That's Shanghai. Archived from the original on 13 March 2016. Retrieved 24 November 2024.

• ALT1: ... that The King of Comedy Visits Shanghai, the first production of the Mingxing Film Company, drew on Charlie Chaplin's popularity in China? Source: Kelly, Ned (8 March 2016). "This Day in History: When Charlie Chaplin Came to China". That's Shanghai. Archived from the original on 13 March 2016. Retrieved 24 November 2024.; Jia, Binwu (2022). "Zheng Zhegu and Performances in Early Chinese Film". Journal of Chinese Film Studies. 2 (2): 261–276. doi:10.1515/jcfs-2022-0002.
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Created by Crisco 1492 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 712 past nominations.

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Shikairo Days

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• ... that many fan describe the song "Shikairo Days" as brain rot?

• Source: [48] [49]

• ALT1: ... that while writing "Shikairo Days", Yuki Waga walk around his house repeating the phrase "Shikanokonokokoshitantan" to make it catchy? Source: [50]
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Created by Miminity (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Warm Regards, Miminity (Talk?) (me contribs) 05:01, 24 November 2024 (UTC).

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Valencia Theatre

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The Valencia Theatre

• ... that New York City's Valencia Theatre, once known as the "Showplace of Long Island", was later sold for $1? Source: Rabin, Bernard (July 11, 1977). "Switch Valencia Seats to Pews". New York Daily News. p. 302., Maurer, Daniel (December 4, 2005). "Now Showing: God". The New York Times.
  • ALT1: ... that New York City's Valencia Theatre was sold to a church in 1977 for $1? Source: Maurer, Daniel (December 4, 2005). "Now Showing: God". The New York Times.
  • ALT2: ... that the Valencia Theatre was designated as a New York City landmark two decades after its previous owner opposed the designation? Source: Gray, Christopher (April 15, 1990). "Streetscapes: Jamaica's Valencia Theater; a Success Story Masks a Landmarks Law Quirk". The New York Times; Macfarquhar, Neil (May 26, 1999). "Former Movie Palace Is Named a Landmark". The New York Times
  • ALT3: ... that the Valencia Theatre, once described as "very striking", was later considered one of its architect's "more modest designs"? Source: "Largest Jamaica Structure Rapidly Nearing Completion". The Brooklyn Daily Times. August 12, 1928. p. 38; Stern, Robert A. M.; Gilmartin, Patrick; Mellins, Thomas (1987). New York 1930: Architecture and Urbanism Between the Two World Wars. New York: Rizzoli. p. 263.
  • ALT4: ... that 17,000 people visited New York City's Valencia Theatre on its opening day? Source: Loew's Valencia Theater (PDF) (Report). New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission. May 25, 1999. p. 6
  • Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Bed Chem (2 QPQs)

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 687 past nominations.

Epicgenius (talk) 16:44, 28 November 2024 (UTC).

• Reviewing... 5xexpanded, reads well, 2xQPQs provided, no copyvio issues, hooks are interesting, ALT1 reads easiest and interesting to me. Will complete soon. Whispyhistory (talk) 08:49, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Pete Vann

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• ... that Army quarterback Pete Vann recovered from spinal meningitis to set an NCAA single-season passing record?

• Source: Spinal meningitis (Vann was "afflicted by the dread spinal meningitis" in December 1950 and hospitalized until the end of January).

NCAA passing record ("he established the NCAA single season record (since broken) for most yards per completion at 23.2").

• • Reviewed: First Cathedral of Saint Paul, Bayonet Trench

Created by Cbl62 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 2. DYK is currently in unreviewed backlog mode and nominator has 378 past nominations.

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Nicolaas van Wijk

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van Wijk in 1913

• ... that after helping provide humanitarian aid during World War I, Nicolaas van Wijk called the Partitions of Poland "an offense against God"?

• Source: van den Baar, p. 32

• ALT1: ... that despite being a critic of communism, Nicolaas van Wijk was suspected of having communist sympathies by Dutch police because he assisted and housed poor Eastern Europeans? Source: Hinrichs, Jan Paul [in Dutch] (2006). "Nicolaas van Wijk (1880–1941): Slavist, linguist, philanthropist". Studies in Slavic and General Linguistics. 31. Brill: 3–341. ISSN 0169-0124. JSTOR 40997485. Retrieved 13 October 2024. pp. 222–223
• ALT2: ... that after meeting Leo Tolstoy's wife, Nicolaas van Wijk's only thought was: "Unhappy land, where the greatest men they have are understood and valued thus"? Source: Hinrichs, Jan Paul [in Dutch] (2006). "Nicolaas van Wijk (1880–1941): Slavist, linguist, philanthropist". Studies in Slavic and General Linguistics. 31. Brill: 3–341. ISSN 0169-0124. JSTOR 40997485. Retrieved 13 October 2024. p. 79
• ALT3: ... that when Nicolaas van Wijk died unexpectedly, the Jewish diarist Etty Hillesum described it as worse than World War II? Source: Hinrichs, Jan Paul [in Dutch] (2006). "Nicolaas van Wijk (1880–1941): Slavist, linguist, philanthropist". Studies in Slavic and General Linguistics. 31. Brill: 3–341. ISSN 0169-0124. JSTOR 40997485. Retrieved 13 October 2024. p. 266
• ALT4: ... that although born to a family of Dutch Reformed preachers, Nicolaas van Wijk supported a Jesuit priest for a professorship, was a doctoral advisor to a Jewish student, and had an Orthodox funeral? Source: Hinrichs, Jan Paul [in Dutch] (2006). "Nicolaas van Wijk (1880–1941): Slavist, linguist, philanthropist". Studies in Slavic and General Linguistics. 31. Brill: 3–341. ISSN 0169-0124. JSTOR 40997485. Retrieved 13 October 2024.
  
  • For preacher family, see p. 11
  • For support for the Jesuit, see p. 137
  • For doctoral advisor to Jews, see pp. 284–285
  • For Orthodox funeral, see * Barentsen, A. A.; Groen, B. M.; Sprenger, R., eds. (1988). "Nicolaas van Wijk (1880–1941): A Collection of Essays on His Life and Work". Studies in Slavic and General Linguistics. 12. Brill: 79–88. ISSN 0169-0124. JSTOR 40996994. Retrieved 12 October 2024. p. 82
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Sack of Delhi (1757)

Created by ThaesOfereode (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 8 past nominations.

ThaesOfereode (talk) 01:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC).

Frederick Warren Freer

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Frederick Warren Freer

• ... that Frederick Warren Freer (pictured) was referred to as "the painter of beautiful women’s faces"?

• Source: [51]

• ALT1: ... that Frederick Warren Freer (pictured) switched from studying medicine to art after going partially deaf? Source: [52]
• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Tim Hughes (soldier)

Moved to mainspace by Kimikel (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 26 past nominations.

Kimikel (talk) 17:31, 25 November 2024 (UTC).

• The article was moved to mainspace on time and a full QPQ has been performed. No close paraphrasing was found (the yellow result on Earwig is a false positive due to repeated mentions of institutions), and both hooks are cited inline and verified. Either hook can be used. The image is public domain so acceptable, but it is probably a bad fit for the Main Page owing to it not being that good quality (the eyes and facial features are not that good at that resolution). There's only one minor issue holding this back: ALT1 is supported by the source, but the current wording of the article does not suggest he studied medicine first before switching, but rather he studied art in lieu of medicine. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 15:40, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

• @Narutolovehinata5: Thank you for the review, as long as ALT0's okay I'm fine with striking out ALT1. Kimikel (talk) 16:15, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

Actually, a reword to the article would suffice in fixing ALT1's issue. Narutolovehinata5 (talk · contributions) 11:37, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

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Tjeerd van Andel

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• ... that after Tjeerd van Andel first saw life on the deep sea floor he described it as a 'little paradise in the ... sea floor desert'?

• Source: Naomi Oreskes, quoting from Van Andel's diary in: Oreskes, Naomi (2021). "7. Painting Projects White: The Discovery of Deep-Sea Hydrothermal Vents". In, Science on a Mission: How Military Funding Shaped What We Do and Don’t Know about the Ocean. University of Chicago Press. p. 328.' What they found has been described as “one of the most exciting devel-opments since the beginning of the study of oceanography.”... Van Andel kept a personal diary, and just before turning in on the evening of February 17, 1977, he wrote: "In the middle of this ... barren vastness ... a small oasis ... What produced this little paradise in the ... sea floor desert?" https://doi.org/10.7208/9780226732411-008

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Dolichostachys

Created by Chaiten1 (talk). Number of QPQs required: 1. Nominator has 16 past nominations.

Chaiten1 (talk) 22:20, 27 November 2024 (UTC).

Nicolas-Joseph Platel

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• ... that Nicolas-Joseph Platel's playing inspired his future student Alexandre Batta to switch from the violin to the cello?

• Source: "Alexandre Batta first learned the violin but one day, hearing Platel play the cello, he developed a passion for this instrument and abandoned one for the other." (p. 199) "Once under Platel's direction it was easy to make rapid progress because lessons were never given with more care, more precision, more method, etc." (p. 200)

• ALT1: ... that French cellist Nicolas-Joseph Platel is considered the founder of the Belgian school of cello playing? Source: "Nicolas-Joseph Platel, was born in Versailles" "He was regarded as the founder of the Belgian school of cello playing"
• ALT2: ... that Nicolas-Joseph Platel left Paris to go on a concert tour but ended up staying in Quimper for two years after making a friend there? Source: "In 1805 he left Paris in order to undertake a concert tour, but at Quimper, where he made the acquaintance of a cello playing dilettante, he remained quite two years"
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AsYouWish13 (talk) 03:21, 27 November 2024 (UTC).

Vanishing (song)

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• ... that "Vanishing" is the first song that Mariah Carey produced by herself?

• Source: Billboard: "it marks the first studio recording the legend ever produced entirely on her own"

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Improved to Good Article status by Heartfox (talk). Number of QPQs required: 0. Nominator has fewer than 5 past nominations.

Heartfox (talk) 00:51, 27 November 2024 (UTC).

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