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New Page Patrol newsletter October 2022

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New Pages Patrol newsletter January 2023

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It's at TeaHouse, Commons Admin and Commons Deletion Discussion. Possible they inadvertently uploaded it not realizing the CC license release, but just a heads up as you may get reverted since they sincerely believe their copyright being violated. Slywriter (talk) 21:55, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

Hello, thank you for reviewing Travelpix. Have added more content. Please advise next steps to get the page approved. Travelpix (talk) 00:52, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

Request on 16:24:17, 20 January 2023 for assistance on AfC submission by Jacob Jesus

• Jacob Jesus (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Maggie Khozam (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hello,

Thanks for reviewing the submission.

Beside YouTube and Facebook, I added sources that reference and speak about Maggie. I added YouTube and Facebook as part of explaining about the person and show the number of followers but they are do not form the base of the article. If this is still a concern, I would be happy to remove them.

Thank you, Jacob

Jacob Jesus (talk) 16:24, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

trinny116/bloodrunners

Hi, got your message. Understood. I guess it does sound like a grandiose claim if you weren't a Biker in the 1980s. There's a lot of in-depth articles, but they're by journalists/mechanics who were trying to copy the design and style but didn't always have the resources. Here is a page of them https://www.andysparrow.com/1/various/press-clippings/index.htm But maybe making such a claim should be only referred to these customizers and not the industry itself. I'll cut that out. Also I should maybe change tack a bit and make it more general? For instance, Andy coined the word Bloodrunners and it has been adopted by the very Bikers who do it in real life. If you Google Bloodrunners, the charities come quite high on the listings. Funnily enough, Andy is creating a new edition for its 40th anniversary. He asked fans on his Facebook page today for their memories. Have a look it's quite funny, and revealing. https://facebook.com/bloodrunners

What do you think? Shall I give it another go? Trinny116 (talk) 22:57, 20 January 2023 (UTC)

White T

Hey thanks for going through the wiki. Themovieguy2023 (talk) 13:57, 22 January 2023 (UTC)

Jeesch. I mean is an article only allowed to come from The New york Times? haha.... theres literally like a hundred articles i've found.... yet they aren't presigious enough? The movie is ten years old.... lots of the articles from back then have dissapeared off the web. (I'll continue to add what i find under references.... hopefully someone can help/approve) - I appreciate all your help/guidance Themovieguy2023 (talk) 16:38, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

A Question Regarding Draft:Candela Technology

Hi! Thank you for the help on this draft. I have since addressed the potential paid editing (I suppose indirect still counts), though you have noted I should not move forward with editing until all was classified. I was wondering if there is possibility of moving forward with the page now. I am still quite new to page creation but trying to learn! Thanks. Aidan C Byrne (talk) 12:18, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

You are free to edit the draft here Draft:Candela Technology. Theroadislong (talk) 12:22, 23 January 2023 (UTC)

Wilson Dumpster fire

The article and all related Talk pages on Wilson became such a dumpster fire. My thinking is that you and I were trying to provide guidance on the unique requirements of Wikipedia but failed in the face of offended stubborness. Going forward, I intend to never revisit. David notMD (talk) 12:55, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

The ferocity of the fallout took me aback somewhat! I will tread carefully. Theroadislong (talk) 13:38, 24 January 2023 (UTC)

Please Delete My Draft Article

Hi,

I request you to please delete my Draft article I had submitted.

Thanks and regards,

Devarshi Devarshi 2000 (talk) 15:32, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

(talk page watcher) @Devarshi 2000: You can do it yourself by adding {{db-g7}} to the top of the draft, though this comment of yours above appears to be the only edit made on your account. —Tenryuu 🐲 ( 💬 • 📝 ) 18:35, 26 January 2023 (UTC)

Women in Red in February 2023

Women in Red Feb 2023, Vol 9, Iss 2, Nos 251, 252, 255, 256, 257, 259 Online events: New: Alphabet run O & P | Black women | Justice | Folklore Continuing: Peace and Diplomacy (year-long initiative) | #1day1woman Tip of the month: Explore Wikipedia for all variations of the woman's name (birth name, married name, re-married name, pen name, nickname) Other ways to participate: Become a member. You can always opt-out of notifications. Join the conversations on our talkpage. Help us plan future events. Follow us on social media: Facebook | Instagram | Pinterest | Twitter

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Sorry

Sorry for editing that article. Wikipedia told me to edit it. Also, what was vandalism in my edits?

Learning With Ameer (talk) 10:20, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Indus Hospital and Health Network

Good work. I tried and failed to rewrite the third para in non copyvio words. Time was against me. I may have another go later. This whole article has been copyvios throughout. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 13:15, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Finished the work. 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 19:11, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

You have been assiduously kind, I might have reduced it to a single line stub! Theroadislong (talk) 19:15, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft: Cercle (media)

I can't understand reason of rejection left in your comment. Cercle project is about Facebook livestreams and YouTube videos, so how Facebook and YouTube links can be a "not suitable sources" here? Tomasz w (talk) 14:59, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

They are primary sources, we have little interest in what they say, we need secondary sources that discuss the topic in-depth. Theroadislong (talk) 15:02, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

There are already added secondary sources from an EDM media, describing project history and its activity. Facebook and YouTube sources are added only for parts where secondary sources aren't available. For example, Facebook post is sometimes the only one place with an information about event cancellation and there is no other way to quote it, so I still don't understand article rejection for this reason at all. Tomasz w (talk) 15:41, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Most of the content is a list of shows live streamed by Cercle, which is just promotional, that is not what the article needs. Theroadislong (talk) 15:49, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

There are many Wikipedia articles that include lists of episodes e.g. for TV shows and thre are no voices saying that is "just promotional". Where was the discussion about whether the Cercle episodes list is a needed information or not? Is this just your one-person, arbitrary decision? Tomasz w (talk) 16:08, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

See other stuff exists. Feel free to re-submit and get other opinions, I won't review it again. Theroadislong (talk) 16:24, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

there is no undisclosed payment

Hi, dear Theroadislong, there is no payment for the article I undid the changes as a user seems to erase the table of information on the CSDI page. the page has created as I found the gap that almost all central securities depositories all around the world has a page on Wikipedia but nobody has created such page. I benchmarked their page and used the information available on the internet to created the page but a user has deleted information table on the page and I undid them to restore the table can you restore the information box on this page? thanks. Ali.Alimardani61 (talk) 11:57, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

My apologies if I was mistaken, your user name is the same as a business writer based in Tehran. Theroadislong (talk) 12:09, 1 February 2023 (UTC)

Appeal against deletion of a few small edits

Hi, I just appealed via your entires about the historical, statements of fact, minor, about Micro Arts Group. I'm sure you are really busy but can you check them over? Rules say: "While objective prose about beliefs, organisations, people, products or services is acceptable". These are objective small edits and objective true statements (not 'beliefs') like 'Micro Arts was invited onto Micronet 800 (in Prestel) in 1985' etc. How is that against rules? What is your justification given the rules have exceptions for exactly this type of thing? Just to update, this was a genuine mistake as I did not know this rule about founder member etc., and I was adding small * historical statements about an independant arts organisation * (Micro Arts Group, not me). If I put on my page as you say - "make the required disclosure on your user page" - can the edits be put back on (small edits only)? If it makes any difference, I am now on the committee of the Computer Arts Organisation, a charity, which has been around for over 50 years. That is same 'status' as V&A Museum, Tate, etc. Thanks Geoff Geoffd99 Geoffd99 (talk) 14:01, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

I'm not sure what "statements of fact, minor, about Micro Arts Group" you are referring to unless you mean the spam links like this one [1]? As you have a conflict of interest you should not be adding anything about your organisation, you can however submit suggestions on the article's talk page with the {{request edit}} template.Theroadislong (talk) 14:23, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Help regarding sources.

Hello.

An article I wrote was recently declined with the following message:

Interviews, IMDb, YouTube and blogs are not reliable sources and we don't use external links in the body of an article.

Questions-

When I researched how to write an article on Wiki everything I read had links throughout the body. How else would I properly source information? Is it simply that it should not have the link, but a citation?

I am also curious what sources are deemed appropriate for an actor if IMDb is not allowed?

I appreciate any help you can offer. Many hours have been spent on this and I'd prefer to get it right.

Thank you. Suspenders Unbuttoned (talk) 15:58, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Articles never have external links in then so I'm not sure where you saw that? See reliable sources for help with what is required All of the fan cruft will need to be removed and the article will need re-writing in a neutral encyclopaedic tone rather than the present chatty style, you will also need to declare your conflict of interest as a "Fan Group". Theroadislong (talk) 16:05, 2 February 2023 (UTC)

Question

Would you mind taking a look and seeing if I am on the right track? SU2Buttons (talk) 21:27, 3 February 2023 (UTC)

Submission rejection

Hello Theroadislong, Would you mind taking a some couple of your precious time to review my article i have resubmitted it with a couple of changes you had suggested. Thank you and i really appreciate your time Elimug89 (talk) 15:02, 4 February 2023 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:Gallia (journal)

Hello, Theroadislong. It has been over six months since you last edited the Articles for Creation submission or Draft page you started, "Gallia".

In accordance with our policy that Wikipedia is not for the indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace, the draft has been deleted. When you plan on working on it further and you wish to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion. An administrator will, in most cases, restore the submission so you can continue to work on it.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:09, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Maisie Myra Marks

References 1,5,6,8,9,10,15,16,17,24,29 are Trade Newspapers and Articles from independent sources where she is mentioned 11 & 18 are books (they are slightly different editions with different material) There is also extensive material in the archives, which includes material on what she did and the significance of her charitable work -- not just the MBE.

Back in the relevant period, 1957-1988 there was no internet, no blogs, the number of newspapers etc was significantly smaller. Hence the number of articles etc is significant. Ldm1954 (talk) 00:51, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

You have misunderstood how Wikipedia works, you have written all that you know about your mother and then tried to verify it with sources. We work the other way around, we collect all the sources that contain significant coverage of the topic and then report on what they say. I will not be reviewing the draft again and will leave it for another reviewer. Theroadislong (talk) 09:58, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Nope. I know far more that is either not relevant, not notable or does not have citations. Rigor is that you consider propositions for an argument and then look to see if there is a reasonable and unbiased validation. That is what has been done in the article. If you look at the original it definitely contains material that was not notable or could not be validated.

For instance General Relativity is accepted, so one provides some reasonable cite (or often no cite). String theory is not fully accepted, so rigor says that you mention both for and against. Ldm1954 (talk) 16:14, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

OK...if you want to change the way Wikipedia operates I suggest you visit the WP:Village pump. Theroadislong (talk) 16:24, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

I don't mean to be nasty, but at the same time I have to ask whether you have considered that you have confirmation bias, specifically belief perseverance. You have not once confirmed that your original objections about cites are invalid and removed them.

I accepted that the first draft had major issues, but ... Ldm1954 (talk) 16:35, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Comments on drafts are removed when it is accepted. Also see WP:EXPERT Expert editors can be very valuable contributors to Wikipedia, but they sometimes have a difficult time realizing that Wikipedia is a different environment from scholarly and scientific publishing. Theroadislong (talk) 16:38, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

You continue to dodge the question of confirmation bias or belief perseverance. To quote https://www.scribbr.com/research-bias/confirmation-bias/#:~:text=Example%3A%20Confirmation%20bias%20During%20presidential,them%20in%20a%20negative%20light.

"...if the new information contradicts what we already believe, we respond differently. We are more likely to:

Become defensive about it

Focus on criticizing any flaw, while that same flaw would be ignored if the information confirmed our beliefs

Forget this information quickly, not recalling reading or hearing about it later on Ldm1954 (talk) 16:44, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

For help with drafts about living people see WP:BLP. You have not provided new information to substantiate your mother being a notable topic for Wikipedia, as other reviewers have also confirmed. Theroadislong (talk) 16:50, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

"Become defensive about it"

"Self criticism is an art not many are qualified to practice", Joyce Carol Oates Ldm1954 (talk) 16:59, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Draft:Markerstudy Group

Thank you for your review of my first draft.

After taking the article from the PR team I edited it to fit within Wikipedia's guidelines. Could you outline which of the below 4 criteria are most concerning to you?

• in-depth (not just brief mentions about the subject or routine announcements)
• reliable
• secondary
• strictly independent of the subject

In my opinion it has been written in an independent style but please do let me know if you disagree. However, I do agree with the in-depth criteria and fear I removed too many things that I deemed not noteworthy from the original I was provided with.

A question on secondary - I removed all links from what I was given that linked to the company website, but do the articles being linked to have to be secondary as well. Many of them are written by newspapers but may contain quotes from company employees (at external URL destination). Steve From Marketing (talk) 10:53, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia is only interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources, you need to show that your company passes the criteria at WP:NCORP. Currently the draft merely advertises their services and has routine reports of acquisitions. Theroadislong (talk) 10:59, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Respect and Request

Dear Theroadislong,

Firstly I have to express my deepest respect to your patience I can see in many of your replies.

Then I would like to ask you if there is some mechanism to draw attention of the community to pages subjected to possible vandalism. If you check the end of this talk page, you will realize how I came across your name - we have a common friend, who is actually... testing the limits of my time and fantasy.

Thank you in advance for any help. Klingm01 (talk) 13:24, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

I had noticed that their edits were becoming problematic there, since I have zero understanding of the topic I would not venture to edit much in that area knowing their animosity towards me. Any edits made without a source can of course be reverted and the user warned with the template {{uw-unsourced1}} be wary of calling it vandalism though as that has a very specific meaning here. Good luck! Theroadislong (talk) 13:37, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot. Klingm01 (talk) 13:44, 8 February 2023 (UTC)