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June 25

Portal:Current events/2024 June 25

June 25, 2024 (2024-06-25) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip, Bombing of the Gaza Strip Israeli airstrikes kill at least 24 people in Gaza City, including ten family members of Hamas political chief Ismail Haniyeh. (Reuters) (Al Jazeera) Russo-Ukrainian War The European Court of Human Rights unanimously finds Russia guilty of systematic violations of human rights in the Crimean peninsula. (Al Jazeera) Russia and Ukraine each return 90 prisoners of war in a prisoner exchange mediated by the United Arab Emirates. (Reuters) Haitian crisis Kenyan police units arrive in Haiti for a United Nations-backed security mission to restore order. (France 24) (The Washington Post) Business and economy The European Commission levies an antitrust fine against Microsoft, charging it with violating European Union competition law by illegally linking its Microsoft Teams app with Microsoft Office, giving the former an unfair advantage over Slack. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents 2024 North America heat waves Puerto Rico announces its first island-wide heat advisory to all 78 municipalities due to predicted highs of 114°F (46°C) and widespread power outages. (AP) International relations Enlargement of the European Union Accession of Ukraine to the European Union, Accession of Moldova to the European Union The European Union formally launches accession negotiations with Ukraine and Moldova. (Barron's) Iran–United States relations The United States Department of the Treasury announces economic sanctions on 50 people and companies in Hong Kong, the United Arab Emirates, and the Marshall Islands, for allegedly funding and helping Iran's military gain access to the international financial system. (Al Jazeera) The Parliamentary Assembly of the Council of Europe elects former Swiss president Alain Berset as the Council's new Secretary General, succeeding Marija Pejčinović Burić. (Politico) Russia bans 81 media outlets from access inside the country, including Agence France-Presse and Politico, in retaliation for a European Union ban on Russian media outlets. (Reuters) Law and crime Gun violence in the United States U.S. Surgeon General Vivek Murthy declares gun violence a public health emergency. (AP) A gunman kills five people and critically injures a girl in North Las Vegas, Nevada, then kills himself upon being confronted by the police the following day. (Reuters) Conscription of yeshiva students The Supreme Court of Israel rules that the Israel Defense Forces and the government are legally bound to conscript Haredi yeshiva students, overturning their prior exemption from mandatory military service. (The Jerusalem Post) (NPR) Indictment and arrest of Julian Assange WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is freed following a plea deal with the United States, which results in Assange pleading guilty to espionage-related charges. (Reuters) International Criminal Court investigation in Ukraine The International Criminal Court issues arrest warrants for Russia's Chief of the General Staff Valery Gerasimov and former defence minister Sergei Shoigu. (Barron's) (The Guardian) Politics and elections Kenya Finance Bill protests 2024 Parliament of Kenya assault Thousands of anti-tax protestors assault and set the Parliament of Kenya building in Nairobi on fire, as riots begin following the approval of a finance bill. The ceremonial mace is also stolen by protesters. Ten people are killed and more than 50 others are injured as police open fire on protestors. (Al Jazeera) (BBC News) President William Ruto deploys the military to stop the protests. (Bloomberg) 2024 United Kingdom general election date betting scandal A fifth Conservative Party member is investigated for involvement in the ongoing election betting scandal. (The Guardian) LGBT rights in Peru The Peruvian Ministry of Health announces that it will stop labeling transgender individuals as suffering from mental disorders, but will instead use the term "gender discordance". (Reuters) Spanish General Council of the Judiciary blockade The two major political parties, Spanish Socialist Workers' Party and People's Party agree to renew the members of the General Council of the Judiciary after five years of blockade and the necessary mediation by the European Commission to reach an agreement. (SWI) Science and technology Chinese space program The Chang'e 6 lunar exploration mission successfully returns to Earth after collecting rock and soil samples from the far side of the Moon. (AP)

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Kenya protests

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Article: Kenya Finance Bill protests (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Five people are killed and dozens are injured as protesters storm the Parliament Buildings in Kenya (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Five people are killed by police gunfire and thirty-one are injured as protesters attack the Parliament Buildings in Kenya.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit)

Article needs a significant rewrite. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 15:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurb 1 - Focus on the main article. Highly significant event, article might need some rewriting. Nice4What (talk · contribs) – (Thanks ♥) 15:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, highly significant, although article needs a bit of expansion if possible. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• It is an embarrassment that the article on the attack is longer than the one on the buildings. And that the article on the buildings is longer than the one on the parliament itself. Fine set of priorities we're encouraging here. —Cryptic 16:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Support Very significant Personisinsterest (talk) 16:44, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality and possible POV issues. The details of the bill should be sourced to third parties, particularly claims that are not clearly part of the bill's language. Masem (t) 17:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Strongly support - Snipertron12 Talk 17:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Support on notability. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Mohamed Arif

Article: Mohamed Arif (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Edition
Credits:

• Nominated by MAL MALDIVE (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Maldivian footballer. Death announced 25 Jun 2024. MAL MALDIVE (talk) 15:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article is in much better shape. Sharrdx (talk) 19:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Julian Assange Released

Article: Julian Assange (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Julian Assange agrees to a US plea bargain that would allow for his immediate release. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange is released from prison as part of a U.S. plea bargain.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Aaron Liu (talk · give credit)
• Updated by ElijahPepe (talk · give credit), Ekosur (talk · give credit) and Aaron Liu (talk · give credit)

Article updated

Aaron Liu (talk) 00:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Significant event. — hako9 (talk) 00:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• Judge needs to approve of this. That's probably the better time to consider. He may be going right back into jail if the judge denies. --Masem (t) 01:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. The appropriate time to post this story would be if/when he actually gets out. DarkSide830 (talk) 01:31, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Technically he has already gotten out. He was released from the British prison on Monday afternoon and he's now going to the Northern Mariana Islands to plead guilty and get sentenced to time served. That hearing is at 7 p.m. Eastern Time on Tuesday, less than 24 hours from now, which could be a good time to post a blurb. Johndavies837 (talk) 01:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

That seems like a reasonable plan. Would temporarily atopping this section until that time be unusual, or would just removing it for now be preferred? Aaron Liu (talk) 02:12, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

That is probably unnecessary, as the discussion would likely go on for that long in any case. BD2412 T 02:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

I added an alt blurb which is accurate even today as he was already released from the British prison, but the best time to post it would be when the U.S. judge actually approves the deal. And since that's supposed to happen within 24 hours, it should work out well. Johndavies837 (talk) 02:29, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Well that's my bad. The blurb wording had be thinking otherwise. Probably should have taken a look for myself then. Thanks for the correction, I will strike my oppose and make it a support. DarkSide830 (talk) 02:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Support the chains of government have been broken Lukt64 (talk) 02:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

That's neither a credible representation of how this happened, nor a meaningful reason to promote this story to the front page. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment While his article is well sourced, it is overly detailed and has a lot of proseline. It would be nice if that could be cleaned up before tomorrow. --Masem (t) 02:27, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support altblurb which I just added, and post it when the U.S. judge formally approves the deal, which should happen around 7 p.m. ET on Tuesday. Johndavies837 (talk) 02:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment I think the blurb should use a photo of Assange, not protesters. Johndavies837 (talk) 02:35, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support posting after the judge in Saipan approves the deal. Noteworthy, he's already out of prison on his way to Saipan and will appear in about 23 hours. Can someone with more memory of ITN archives comment on whether it's normal to use plea bargain as the "outcome" in this sort of blurb, or perhaps should something like "after pleading guilty (to [charge/s])" be used instead? -bɜ:ʳkənhɪmez (User/say hi!) 02:44, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• Wait until the judge approves, then Support, but with an up-to-date photo of Assange. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

  I kinda agree. However nobody has uploaded a portrait photo of him newer than 2014 though. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:52, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

  Huh, that's not great either. We can have a temporary picture (either the old photo or the protesters) and hope someone takes a good photo after his release and freely licenses it. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

  I checked flickr. The best images I found are:

• 2021/2022 Time "Political Prisoner of the Year" cover. Not sure what the copyright status of Time covers are. Uploader claims CC-BY.
• Painting by Anarchimedia, traced over a 2015 video conference photo.
• 2023 Photo of Australian mural taken by Cory Doctorow. Could use some cropping. However, it's debated whether Australia has FoP for murals.

Aaron Liu (talk) 17:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• Not true, Aaron Liu. There's a 2018 portrait photo on Commons, but it's not in focus. Schwede66 10:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Schwede66 Could you link it? Aaron Liu (talk) 16:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

  Aaron Liu, sorry, I had been looking at another main page item before and then got confused; this wasn't about Assange. Schwede66 18:08, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Support but wait till judge approves it. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 03:40, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: a few CN tags in the article. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 04:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• Wait. It's a bit more than a formality for this sort of thing. Wait at least until sentencing before putting this on the main page. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 04:08, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Support altblurb as it more accurately describes what is happening. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:46, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support altblurb per above, definitely a major development and an internationally recognized headline. Ornithoptera (talk) 04:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• Wait There seem to be at least 3 countries involved in this – Australia, UK and US. His article says that there are significant "legal issues in Australia" so what's their status now? There seems to have been some change in the Australian government position as "The Australian government has been pushing hard for a couple of years now for this case to end". Is this part of the AUKUS deal? And the outcome still seems ongoing as it's conceivable that Assange might skip bail now as he's done it before. I don't think we should focus on the plea bargain as many or most US cases end in some such deal. As there seems to have been some sort of unusual multinational agreement, we should highlight that. Andrew🐉(talk) 05:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

  While I may agree with the rest of your opinion, he won't be skipping bail because there is no bail. Aaron Liu (talk) 16:56, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose - While it's a long-running and occasionally high-focus case, this ending to it is something of a damp squib, and I'm far from convinced it's ITN material. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:43, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Criminal gets released from prison - so what. If he got exchanged through a major swap for a russian spy in our custody i'd maybe reconsider my vote, but this is just a minor thing in the grand scheme of things Kasperquickly (talk) 10:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
  • ...how the hell would Assange even factor into the US "swapping" him for a Russian spy. The US wanted him in prison, not out of prison and was trying to get him from the UK, not Russia. --110.141.157.50 (talk) 10:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Kasperquickly does seem to be having some difficulty telling countries apart - see below for where he seems to be confused between the USA, Iraq, and Russia. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

How would that make event more notable? BilboBeggins (talk) 17:50, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support in principle as a very significant event. However I have no opinions on the timing of posting given what Andrew & Red-tailed hawk said. Too complicated for me to decide on that. S5A-0043^Talk 10:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• Wait (lean support) This is a positive development overall, but let's wait until he's actually released and makes a public statement since it's possible that there is the possibility of the deal falling apart or another State indicting him. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:03, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose not that notable. Personisinsterest (talk) 12:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support important event in the western world Oneequalsequalsone (talk · contribs) 12:41, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Saying that doesn't make it true. I'd be impressed to see even one reliable source that's independent of Assange's fan-club that claims such a thing. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Namely, which sources would you want to claim that? Would you also want these sources to say that they're sorry they ignored his situation for the past decade and decided to side with state power or do you also want them to say that Wikileaks did more for their jobs than they did themselves? Oneequalsequalsone (talk · contribs) 16:58, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Major world event in terms of the history of freedom of the press, the chilling effect on press freedom and war crimes journalism and research. Boud (talk) 12:53, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

A major event in the worldwide history of the freedom of the press? How so? He's taken a plea bargain and is being released. No new precedent is established, no great publication is made. This just doesn't have the effect that you're claiming it does. GenevieveDEon (talk) 13:00, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support, eminently significant. QuestFour (talk) 13:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• Lean support altblurb, more clearly outlines the event but we should wait until there is a definite confirmation from the judge Mr. Lechkar (talk) 14:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose It's getting a bunch of news coverage, but the actual significance of this seems limited at best. He's pleading guilty and basically being sentenced to time served. Many events get a short term burst of coverage and we don't post them, mainly for want of significance. This isn't an election, a war, or a natural disaster with a high death toll. It's an interesting case that had the potential to clarify some important aspects of the legal relationship between the press and the state. But it is effectively ending in a tactical draw. Sorry, but I'm just not seeing anything here that warrants a blurb on ITN. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:30, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

  It's conclusion of a decade-long saga that was in the news. It has to be posted. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

  We are not a news ticker. Just because something gets news coverage doesn't mean it gets posted. What is the practical significance of this? -Ad Orientem (talk) 19:33, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Support Definitely noteworthy. Alexysun (talk) 17:24, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Support. It has been going on for almost 15 years, and from time to time it reoccured in the news. So this is very appropriate to include this In the news section. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

June 24

Portal:Current events/2024 June 24

June 24, 2024 (2024-06-24) (Monday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Gaza humanitarian crisis Eleven Palestinians, including the director of Gaza's Ambulance and Emergency Department, are killed in Israeli airstrikes on the al-Shati refugee camp, Bani Suhaila, and Gaza City. (Reuters) Three-phase Israel–Hamas war ceasefire proposal Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu rejects the U.S.-backed ceasefire proposal for the war in Gaza, instead committing to continuing the war and "the goal of eliminating Hamas." (TIME) Russian invasion of Ukraine Eastern Ukraine campaign At least four people are killed and 40 others are injured when Russian Iskander-M ballistic missiles hit Pokrovsk in Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. (The Kyiv Independent) (Reuters) 2024 Dagestan attack The death toll from the attack on a synagogue and Orthodox church in Derbent and Makhachkala, Dagestan, Russia, yesterday, increases to 20, with 46 others injured. (Reuters) Disasters and accidents Aricell battery factory fire Twenty-three people are killed and eight others are injured in a fire at a lithium battery factory in Hwaseong, Gyeonggi, South Korea. (Reuters) Eight people are killed in a fire in an office building in Fryazino, Moscow Oblast, Russia. (BBC News) Officials in Blue Earth County, Minnesota, United States, issue an evacuation warning due to flooding on the Blue Earth River breaching the Rapidan Dam, pushing it into an "imminent failure condition" upstream of several cities. Flooding also collapses a railroad bridge connecting South Dakota and Iowa and kills two people. (WCCO-TV) (AP) Health and environment The Royal Zoological Society of Scotland reports that Scottish wildcat kittens have been born in the Cairngorms National Park, in a "major milestone" for the conservation of the critically endangered population. (The Guardian) Law and crime Philippine drug war Trial courts in Metro Manila, Philippines, dismiss the remaining charges filed against former senator Leila de Lima during the presidency of Rodrigo Duterte, including the last of the three involving her alleged conspiracy in the illegal drug trade, as well as another on her disobedience to a summons for a House hearing. (BBC News) WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange enters a plea deal with the U.S. Justice Department, in which he will be found guilty on one federal charge in exchange for his release back to Australia. (ABC News) A mass shooting in two apartments in North Las Vegas, Nevada, United States, killed six people, including the 47-year-old gunman, Eric Adams. 13-year-old Olivia Munoz was wounded in the shooting.(GVA) Politics and elections 2024 New Caledonia unrest Violence and riots resume in New Caledonia after eight pro-independence activists were flown to France for pre-trial detention yesterday. Protesters burn police vehicles, block roads, and set fire to the town hall in Koumac. (Al Jazeera) Sports 2023–24 NHL season In ice hockey, the Florida Panthers defeat the Edmonton Oilers in seven games to win the 2024 Stanley Cup Finals, marking their first Stanley Cup championship in franchise history. The Panthers also avoid becoming the fifth team in National Hockey League history to lose a series despite having a 3–0 series lead. (The Washington Post)

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RD: Shifty Shellshock

Article: Shifty Shellshock (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, Billboard, Deadline Hollywood
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:4CD4:EE72:33C0:82D7 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Damien Linnane (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American singer and frotman of Crazy Town. 240F:7A:6253:1:4CD4:EE72:33C0:82D7 (talk) 14:27, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Frederick Crews

Article: Frederick Crews (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American essayist and literary critic. Death announced 24 June. Thriley (talk) 06:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support, once the honors and awards section is fully cited. Otherwise looks to be in good shape. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 13:02, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Stanley Cup

Article: 2024 Stanley Cup Finals (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In ice hockey, the Florida Panthers defeat the Edmonton Oilers to win the Stanley Cup Finals (Conn Smythe Trophy winner Connor McDavid pictured). (Post)
News source(s): NBC News
Credits:

• Nominated by PrinceofPunjab (talk · give credit)
• Created by The Kip (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Deadman137 (talk · give credit), Conyo14 (talk · give credit), Buffalkill (talk · give credit), Modest Genius (talk · give credit) and Ho-ju-96 (talk · give credit)

The nominated event is listed on WP:ITN/R, so each occurrence is presumed to be important enough to post. Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article and update meet WP:ITNCRIT, not the significance.

Article looks good to me. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 03:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support As an editor on this article, we've been hard at work making sure it's up to par for ITN, and I believe it now is. However, having Florida captain Aleksander Barkov as the photo may be a better choice, given McDavid isn't on the Panthers. The Kip ^(contribs) 04:37, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

  A precedent has been set which the championship MVP is pictured and mentioned (check the archive from June 17). Connor McDavid just happens to be an outlier, being the 6th overall player and 2nd skater to win the trophy without winning the cup. Additionally, the previous player, Jean-Sébastien Giguère did it when there was only 100,000 articles in the English Wikipedia. LosAnaheimFan 5 (talk) 06:14, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

  I agree with The Kip. The pictured player should be from the winning team, that's the story here, we're not blirbing the fact that someone won the MVP award specifically. And the captain is as good a choice as any.  — Amakuru (talk) 09:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

  The head coach, goalie or game-winning goal scorer are all better choices, if we must ignore tradition. InedibleHulk (talk) 16:26, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article quality seems sufficient for ITN. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:47, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support—And speaking as an Edmontonian who roots for the Oilers: congrats, Panthers! You really earned it. (As an aside, I'm neutral re. the image used, and open to being persuaded either way.) Kurtis ^(talk) 04:49, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. It's an American team winning a Canadian trophy, what else is new? LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 05:57, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

  Do you have any actual reason to oppose, or can we safely disregard this comment? The Kip ^(contribs) 06:01, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

  I mean... why run a story about sports championships if each and single year they happen without fault? It would be better if there was a story about it NOT happening. LilianaUwU ^{(talk / contributions)} 06:04, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

  If you want to argue this, you could open a discussion on the talk page to remove sports from ITNR, but ITNR lists many different sporting events, so that may be a difficult proposal. The entire purpose of ITNR is for "recurring" events that are in the news. ITN is not only for "special events/disasters". Natg 19 (talk) 06:15, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article's quality is more than enough for ITN, and, of course, the victor of the Stanley Cup has been featured in ITN many, many times. IncompA 06:14, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article quality is good and the Stanley Cup Finals are posted every year. Hungry403 (talk) 08:32, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support (oppose image) McDavid didn't even accept the award, and the article is about the Stanley cup championship not the opposing teams captain. Historically, the MVP has typically gone to a member of the winning team but given the incredibly competitive nature of this series I suppose it makes sense why the league would decide to deviate from the norm. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:07, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support (oppose image) Article is good, topic is noteworthy enough to warrant being highlighted on the front page. McDavid winning the Conn Smythe is worth being mentioned, but the image used should be of a Flames player instead. RPH (talk) 15:55, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• McDavid or the Panthers logo It's always been standard to picture the MVP. We skipped the NBA one this year, but that's only because a beautiful lynx appeared. Unlike that cat, there's no good reason to arbitrarily highlight any Panther who didn't win an individual award (or a Calgary Flames player). InedibleHulk (talk) 16:11, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support, ideally with Aleksander Barkov as the photo, or perhaps Sergei Bobrovski. Barkov being the captain of the champion club should be the easiest to swing though. DarkSide830 (talk) 16:34, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

Aricell battery factory fire

Article: Aricell battery factory fire (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ A fire at a lithium battery factory in the South Korean city of Hwaseong kills at least 22 migrant workers, most of them Chinese nationals. (Post)
News source(s): Reuters, BBC, NY Times, CNN, Al Jazeera
Credits:

• Nominated by Ainty Painty (talk · give credit)
• Created by Noble Attempt (talk · give credit)

Ainty Painty (talk) 17:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

• @Ainty Painty: I just changed the tense per WP:ITNBLURB. Would you like to include "at a lithium battery factory" in the blurb as well? Aaron Liu (talk) 00:23, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

  What do you think? Do you want to change it too? If yes, do or you can suggest an alt blurb. Ainty Painty (talk) 03:21, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

June 23

Portal:Current events/2024 June 23

June 23, 2024 (2024-06-23) (Sunday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine Crimea attacks June 2024 Sevastopol missile attack Ukrainian forces launch an ATACMS missile bombardment on Sevastopol, Crimea, with missile fragments hitting a beach, killing five people and injuring at least 153 others of which 27 were children. Russia's ministry of defense says that it holds the United States responsible for the attack and vows that there will be a response. (Reuters) Kharkiv strikes One person is killed and ten others are injured in Russian strikes on civilian infrastructure in Kharkiv, Ukraine. (Reuters) Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip Eight Palestinians are killed in IDF airstrikes that hit a UNRWA-run vocational college in Gaza City that was being used to distribute aid. (Reuters) 2024 Dagestan attack At least 16 people are killed and 13 others are injured in Dagestan, Russia, when gunmen open fire on a synagogue and an Orthodox church in Derbent and on a traffic police post in Makhachkala. (Al Arabiya) (RBK) Israel–Hezbollah conflict North Macedonia's Ministry of Foreign Affairs urges all its citizens in Lebanon to leave as soon as possible due to "deteriorating security" in the region from escalating conflicts. (Sloboden Pečat) Red Sea crisis The Houthis claim to have carried out a joint military operation with the Islamic Resistance in Iraq to target four vessels in the Port of Haifa, Israel. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2024 Hajj disaster The Saudi health minister announces that 1,301 people are now confirmed to have died during this year's Hajj pilgrimage. (Al Arabiya) One person is found dead after floods in southern Switzerland. (Reuters) Politics and elections Israel–Hamas war Israel–Hamas war protests in Israel More than 150,000 Israelis rally and march in Tel Aviv to protest against Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and his government, calling for new elections, the return of hostages, and a ceasefire. (Al Jazeera) 2024 New Caledonia unrest Independence leader Christian Tein and seven other activists are flown to France for pre-trial detention after being arrested for inciting violence and riots in New Caledonia. (Al Jazeera) On the Grand Duke's Official Birthday, Henri, Grand Duke of Luxembourg announces that his son and heir Guillaume will assume royal duties beginning in October, in preparation for Henri's eventual abdication. (Luxembourg Times)

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RD: Dennis Deer

Article: Dennis Deer (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): [1]
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

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– Muboshgu (talk) 16:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Referenced, good depth of coverage. Spencer^T•C 06:10, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Sergeant Cecil

Article: Sergeant Cecil (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Racing Post, At the Races
Credits:

• Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit)

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British racehorse. Needs some inline citations. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 03:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Support sure it needs some inline citations, otherwise article good enough to be posted. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Dagestan attack

Article: 2024 Dagestan attack (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Dagestan, Russia, 27 people die in a coordinated attack. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Islamic terrorists stage a number of attacks across Dagestan, Russia, killing 21 people and injuring dozens of others
Alternative blurb II: ​ Islamic terrorists attack a number of locations, including a church, and a synagogue, across Dagestan, Russia, killing 21 people and injuring dozens of others
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Vacant0 (talk · give credit)
• Created by PLATEL (talk · give credit)

Article updated

• Wait Article is barely more than a stub at this point, and situation is still quite vague. Kcmastrpc (talk) 19:54, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Alt As more details have emerged this has been headline news for nearly 24h and the story is still developing. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. No indication of significance. This should be a bullet point in a list of terrorist incidents in Russia, not an article featured on the main page. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:21, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

  We've posted terrorist incidents in the us where like 4 people died even thought hundreds die every day in Chiraq

  An islamist attack with 10 deaths and a burned synagogue and a church is clearly significant, even if you think otherwise Kasperquickly (talk) 20:45, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

  Casually throwing around the term "Chiraq" isn't exactly something indicative of an editor fit for Wikipedia. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:52, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

  This is the equivalent of saying hundreds die everyday in Ukraine, so an attack where 10 people died isn't significant. PrecariousWorlds (talk) 23:41, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

  That's in the context of the war. The ISIS insurgency in the North Caucasus doesn't usually have attacks like this Personisinsterest (talk) 10:24, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

  I don't care how many people died, and I don't care what we've posted in the past. Neither of those are relevant to whether this has any encyclopedic significance. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 17:20, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

  At least 15 police officers died, around 30 people overall. Of course it's a significant attack. BilboBeggins (talk) 06:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Very short article, and seems comparatively minor in the grand scheme of terrorist attacks. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:49, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Changing to Support, the article’s been expanded and since my initial comment the death toll’s increased from seven to 27. The Kip ^(contribs) 17:27, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

* Wait Article needs expansion, but otherwise significant enough. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 01:46, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Significant event. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 14:13, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support 28 deaths are enough Braganza (talk) 05:22, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability but it is wise to wait until the article is of higher quality and more information is known. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 06:15, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
• Wait for more information on the perpetrators and aftermath. Jaguarnik (talk) 07:22, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Major attack. Harizotoh9 (talk) 09:03, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Deadly terrorist attacks targeting religious buildings (churches and a synagogue) are a very big deal.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 13:25, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support a tragic attack targeted against specific people and a large death toll. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment given events Russia is involved with the blurb needs more clarity as to who dud the attacks or their intent. Eg this appears to not be tied to the Ukraine conflict directly. Masem (t) 16:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

  Comment Gave it a go with 2 altblurbs. Note that I've purposefully foregone the mention of 6 dead terrorists because I don't think it's fair to count them among the people that they've murdered Kasperquickly (talk) 17:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Forgor to vote. clearly a significant event. Kasperquickly (talk) 17:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: I oppose the proposed Alts at this time. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 17:59, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Alt2 Article meets the minimum requirement. — hako9 (talk) 19:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Alt2 article is ready to be posted. Traumnovelle (talk) 23:19, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support alt1 which seems more concise and I don't think the church part is that important. Aaron Liu (talk) 00:21, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

  I think it kind of is since most people apparently died there, plus they've cut the head of a priest off. More to the point i've actually only added that part because wikipedia has already had individual articles for bot hthe church and the synagogue attacked and i wanted them included in the blurb. Kasperquickly (talk) 10:14, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 01:51, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

June 22

Portal:Current events/2024 June 22

June 22, 2024 (2024-06-22) (Saturday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Israeli invasion of the Gaza Strip June 2024 northern Gaza City airstrikes At least 42 Palestinians are killed by Israeli airstrikes in northern Gaza. (AP) (Reuters) Russian invasion of Ukraine Kharkiv strikes At least three people are killed and 38 others are injured when Russian guided bombs hit civilian infrastructure in Kharkiv, Ukraine. (The Washington Post) Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure Russia launches missile and drone strikes across Ukraine, injuring two people and damaging energy infrastructure. Ukraine says that it shot down 12 of 16 missiles and all 13 drones. (Reuters) 2021–2024 Democratic Republic of the Congo attacks At least 23 people are killed by CODECO militia groups in Ituri Province, Democratic Republic of the Congo. (Reuters) At least seven people are killed and 100 are kidnapped by unknown gunmen in Katsina State, Nigeria. (Al Jazeera) Disasters and accidents 2024 Tamil Nadu alcohol poisoning The death toll from the tainted liquor incident in Kallakurichi district, Tamil Nadu, India, increases to 54. (Al Jazeera) The death toll from the storms and heavy rains in El Salvador, Guatemala, and Honduras increases to 30 people, including at least six children. (Reuters) Three people are missing following thunderstorms and landslides in southeastern Switzerland. (Al Jazeera) A severe water crisis on the island of Capri, Italy, due to Italian mainland water system failures causes several areas in Anacapri to run dry, and forces the mayor of Capri to suspend tourist arrivals on the island. (AP) Law and crime Antisemitism in 21st-century France French prosecutors charge a 19-year-old and a minor with planning and collecting arms for a violent "terrorist conspiracy" against Jewish targets. (France 24) Politics and elections LGBT rights in Hungary Thousands of people march in a pride parade in Budapest, Hungary, to protest against Prime Minister Viktor Orbán's anti-LGBTQ+ policies. (Reuters) Science and technology A University of Illinois team lead by Joshua Wurman and Karen Kosiba confirms mobile radar measurements of between 309 mph (497 km/h) and 318 mph (512 km/h) in the tornado that struck Greenfield, Iowa, United States, on May 21. This is the first unambiguous radar confirmation of tornado winds over 300 mph (480 km/h). (NBC News) (University of Illinois)

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RD: Howard Bernstein

Article: Howard Bernstein (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC, Manchester Evening News
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
• Updated by M2Ys4U (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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British politician. Manchester City Council chief executive. --Classicwiki (talk) 10:38, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Support Article seems to be of sufficient quality for RD. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:26, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment The second paragraph in the "History" section needs a source but apart from that, the article structure looks reasonable enough. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 21:08, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Midori No Sora, I have added some additional sources. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 02:51, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks alright now. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:16, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

• Coverage of the subject's life could use some elaboration in the main prose (with references) on his earlier career before becoming chief executive. --PFHLai (talk) 11:45, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Kamala Hampana

Article: Kamala Hampana (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Deccan Herald, The Hindu
Credits:

• Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Kelisi (talk · give credit) and Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Indian writer. Still needs citations. --Classicwiki (talk) 10:29, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

June 21

Portal:Current events/2024 June 21

June 21, 2024 (2024-06-21) (Friday) Armed conflicts and attacks Israel–Hamas war Rafah offensive June 2024 Al-Mawasi refugee camp attack Twenty-five people are killed and 50 others are injured in Israeli shelling near Muwasi, Rafah. Gaza Strip. (AP) Insurgency in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa An IED kills five Pakistan Army personnel in Kurram District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa. (Arab News) Business and economy France–Niger relations Niger's military junta revokes the operating license of French nuclear fuel producer Orano at the Imouraren uranium mine amid tensions between the two countries. (BBC News) Disasters and accidents 2024 Hajj disaster At least 1,119 pilgrims, more than half of whom are from Egypt, are now confirmed to have died from heat-related causes during the Hajj in Saudi Arabia. (Barron's) President of Tunisia Kais Saied dismisses the Minister of Religious Affairs after 49 Tunisians are reported to have died in this year's Hajj pilgrimage in Saudi Arabia. (Al Arabiya) 2024 Guangdong floods The death toll from the floods and landslides in Meizhou, Guangdong, China, increases to 47 people. (Al Jazeera) 2024 North America heat waves At least six people die due to heat-related illness in the Phoenix metropolitan area in Arizona, United States, as temperatures reach 115 °F (46 °C). (AP) 2024 West African floods At least 21 people are killed by floods in Niger's Maradi region and the suburbs of Niamey after unusually heavy rainfall in the region. (AP) 2024 European heatwaves Most of Montenegro and parts of Albania, Bosnia and Herzegovina, and Croatia experience blackouts as a result of a heavy load on the electrical grid caused by an unexpected increase in power consumption due to high temperatures. (DW) At least 11 people are killed in wildfires in southeast Turkey. (ABC News) A worker is killed and five others are critically injured in an explosion at an aluminium processing plant in Bolzano, South Tyrol, Italy. (ANSA) France reports nearly 200 cases of cholera in Mayotte. (Le Monde) The death toll from torrential rains in El Salvador increases to 19 people, including at least two children. (AP) International relations Enlargement of the European Union Accession of Moldova to the European Union, Accession of Ukraine to the European Union European Union member states agree to begin negotiations on the accession of Moldova and Ukraine to the EU next week. (The Independent) Moldovan president Maia Sandu signs the decree that begins negotiations on Moldova's accession to the European Union. Sandu also announces that the first Moldova–EU intergovernmental conference will take place on 25 June. (Anadolu Agency) Armenia–Palestine relations, International recognition of the State of Palestine Armenia officially recognises the State of Palestine. (Reuters) Israel–Ukraine relations Israel and Ukraine mutually impose travel restrictions to each others' citizens, preventing reciprocal visa-free travel without an authorization permit. (The Kyiv Independent) Law and crime 2024 Fordyce shooting Four people are killed and ten others are wounded in a shooting at the Mad Butcher supermarket in Fordyce, Arkansas, United States. The suspect, Travis Eugene Posey, is shot and arrested by Arkansas State Police. (AP) Cross-Strait relations China officially defines Taiwanese separatist behavior as a criminal act. (Financial Times) LGBT rights in Namibia The High Court of Namibia rules that two colonial-era laws criminalizing sex between men are unconstitutional. (DW) A court in Geneva, Switzerland, sentences Indian-born billionaire Prakash Hinduja and three of his family members to four years in prison for exploiting domestic workers at their villa in Cologny. (AP)

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RD: Jamie Kellner

Article: Jamie Kellner (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Variety, Hollywood Reporter
Credits:

• Nominated by Classicwiki (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Speakfor23 (talk · give credit) and TPalkovitz (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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American TV executive. Founded Fox and the WB. Article still needs some details and would be nice to have infobox with photo. --Classicwiki (talk) 10:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Support looks okay to me. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:21, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

• The intro mentions ACME and running TBS till 2003, but these were not discussed in the main prose. What did he do from 2003 onwards? THere are also a couple of {cn} tags in the main prose. Please expand the coverage to the latter stages of his career and add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 04:59, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Spiridon Vangheli

Article: Spiridon Vangheli (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Președinte.md, TVR Moldova
Credits:

• Nominated by 46.55.27.113 (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Moldovan/Bessarabian/Romanian writer and prose writer. Known worldwide for his book Guguță. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.55.27.113 (talk) 02:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

• Note: I have updated this nomination to direct to the correct article. Unfortunately, I do not think this article will make it to RD in its current state. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 02:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose as Classicwiki said, article needs a lot of work. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 16:22, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: James K. Irving

Article: James K. Irving (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Globe and Mail, CBC
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by B3251 (talk · give credit)

Article updated
Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Canadian businessman and member of the Irving family in New Brunswick; last living son of K. C. Irving, his younger brother died a month prior.B3251_(talk) 00:05, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Short, but not stubby(?); he was 96. InedibleHulk (talk) 02:01, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support article looks good to me. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 16:22, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 01:31, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Darren Lewis (American football)

Article: Darren Lewis (American football) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): ESPN
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by DarkStarHarry (talk · give credit) and Cumberland Mills (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

American footballer.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 22:31, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Wait - lacking inline citations. Staraction (talk | contribs) 23:45, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose College section have no source at all. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 16:26, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Keith Locke

Article: Keith Locke (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Stuff, Radio NZ
Credits:

• Nominated by Kiwichris (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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New Zealand politician ecologist. Died June 21, 2024. Kiwichris (talk) 02:24, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

You've beaten me to it by 12 minutes, Kiwichris. Schwede66 02:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Ready article is in a very good shape. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 12:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Outstanding Cn tags.—Bagumba (talk) 00:07, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

The Cn tags have been sorted now. Kiwichris (talk) 04:56, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

• Note: Marking ready. @Bagumba, if there are still issues please feel free to remove. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 06:27, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 03:35, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

June 20

Portal:Current events/2024 June 20

June 20, 2024 (2024-06-20) (Thursday) Armed conflicts and attacks Russian invasion of Ukraine United States and the Russian invasion of Ukraine Ukraine is prioritized first among the countries to receive ordered deliveries of MIM-104 Patriot missile systems from the United States. (CNN) United States officials announce that they will allow Ukraine to use US weapons to strike Russian forces within Russia, provided they are located right across the border with Ukraine, removing the prior limit of only allowing strikes across the Kharkiv front. (Politico) Eastern Ukraine campaign Three people are killed and four others are injured in Russian cluster munitions strikes on the village of Rozkishne, Donetsk Oblast, Ukraine. (Al Jazeera) Sudanese civil war The Rapid Support Forces captures Al-Fulah, the capital of West Kordofan, Sudan, after the Sudanese Armed Forces withdraw from the city after several hours of fighting. (Al Jazeera) Arts and culture Orca Shipwreck The Israel Antiquities Authority announces the discovery of a 3,300-year-old ship and its cargo, one of the oldest known examples of a ship sailing far from land. The ship was discovered last year by a company drilling for natural gas off the coast of Northern Israel. (NBC News) Disasters and accidents 2024 Hajj disaster At least 1,081 pilgrims are now confirmed to have died from heat-related causes during the Hajj in Saudi Arabia. (France 24) 2024 Tamil Nadu alcohol poisoning At least 36 people are killed and more than 60 others are hospitalized after consuming tainted liquor in Kallakurichi district, Tamil Nadu, India. (Reuters) (New Indian Express) A cruise ship rescues 68 migrants and finds five bodies in a wooden dinghy that was drifting off the Canary Islands, Spain. (ABC News) At least two people are killed and nine others are injured when a passenger train collides with a train on a test run near Santiago, Chile. (AP) Kuwait announces temporary power cuts in parts of the country during peak consumption hours, saying that the country is struggling to meet increased demand caused by extreme summer heat. (Al Arabiya) International relations Russia–United States relations U.S. Senators Richard Blumenthal and Lindsey Graham move to designate Russia a state sponsor of terrorism after its defensive pact with North Korea. (The National) Outgoing Dutch Prime Minister Mark Rutte is announced as the next Secretary General of NATO, beginning his term on October 2. (Politico) Law and crime ChinaAngVirus disinformation campaign Congress of the Philippines lawmakers pursue an investigation into a U.S. military social media disinformation operation to discredit Chinese COVID-19 vaccines to Filipinos to determine the damages caused, international law infringements, and possible legal action. (Reuters) Vandalism of Stonehenge The orange powder paint sprayed on Stonehenge by Just Stop Oil activists yesterday is removed with a handheld blower fan, leaving no visible damage. (BBC News) Two Just Stop Oil activists film themselves cutting through a metal fence and spraying orange paint on two private jets at Stansted Airport in Essex, England, United Kingdom. Police arrest the activists for criminal damage. (BBC News) A tourist accused of desecrating the Quran is removed from a police station in Swat District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Pakistan, by a mob who beat him to death before setting his corpse on fire. (Al Arabiya) The Supreme Court of the United Kingdom rules that the future impact of proposed fossil fuel projects must be assessed, when considering site proposals for drilling. (The Guardian) Politics and elections The Japanese Ministry of Foreign Affairs announces sanctions on firms based in China, India, Kazakhstan, and Uzbekistan, for their alleged support to Russia in the Russo–Ukrainian war. (Al Jazeera) One person is killed, at least 200 people are injured, and over 100 are arrested in protests across Kenya against government plans to raise $2.7 billion in additional taxes. Kenya Police fired live rounds, tear gas, and water cannons at protesters. (Reuters) Science and technology 2024 in archosaur paleontology Researchers announce the discovery of the Lokiceratops rangiformis, a dinosaur species named after the Norse god Loki, in North America. The findings are published in the journal PeerJ. (ABC News) The International Union for Conservation of Nature announces that the Iberian lynx has been upgraded from endangered to vulnerable for the first time since 1986, after a 2023 census showed a population of 2,021 animals. (BBC News) Sports UEFA Euro 2024, Anti-Serb sentiment Serbia threatens to withdraw from UEFA Euro 2024 if UEFA does not punish Croatia and Albania after their supporters chant "kill, kill, kill the Serb" during a match in Hamburg, Germany, on Wednesday. (Sky News)

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Tamil Nadu alcohol poisoning

Article: 2024 Tamil Nadu alcohol poisoning (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ In Tamil Nadu, India, at least 54 people have died in an alcohol poisoning incident. (Post)
News source(s): BBC TIME
Credits:

• Nominated by Mfarazbaig (talk · give credit)
• Created by Sunuraju (talk · give credit)

Article updated

High number of fatalities warrant an ITN posting. | Mfarazbaig (talk) 18:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

• Per List of alcohol poisonings in India, these are regular events, and I can't see that we've previously posted any of these (some of which had much higher fatality counts). Black Kite (talk) 18:40, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
  • We did post a similar incident in Russia in 2016. —Cryptic 20:32, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
  • The non-posting of alcohol incidents with mass deaths, which happen in India at an average frequency of 2 years, as I will term it, is not evidence of its non-notability, rather the lack of an ultra efficient reporting by ITN. Using the predecessor as an argument may be a good way to judge if the current case, doesn't matter if more or less severe, should be added or not. However that may not be the case with this particular case, prior incidents related to which were severely neglected in the past few years. Rather discussion surrounding this case may serve as a landmark decision for future incidents related to it, maybe for those from India and abroad. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 06:36, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose per Black Kite. Unfortunately a routine event in India. --Masem (t) 20:17, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. No indication of significance. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 20:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
• Weak support inasmuch as building fires are also common but we posted the one in Kuwait This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support While sadly "common", the whopping death count is substantial and rare. In fact, given that these happen every few years, it seems to be an endemic problem in India, ie it's a specific example of a significant consistent problem in Indian society. That means it's significant. Also, building fires are common but ones that kill over 50 are rare events. It's more notable than "American celeb dies" stories. Harizotoh9 (talk) 00:09, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Please do not compare one nomination to another like that per WP:ITNATA — Masem (t) 00:38, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support More than 50 deaths. Besides, alcohol deaths are not that routine in India, especially when you take into account that 50+ people died at one go. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 01:45, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Comment: Clear indication of notability, and not a regular routine in India in a way that 1) the high Fatality Count, 2) the overall media attention it is getting, 3) reported by international media highlighting its newsworthiness and broader public interest, 4) the further political and technical and legal implication it has caused and will likely cause in near future, 5) societal inequalities and public health disparities that get highlighted with this case. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 06:23, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
  • For the cases with higher death counts, previously unreported, read my response above to Black Kite. ExclusiveEditor _{Notify Me!} 06:40, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose As an Indian myself, it is unfortunate for me to say that alcohol poisoning is common in India. While 50+ deaths may seem like a rare occurrence, it is unlikely to have any significant long-term impact. Case in point, it is not even the biggest news topic in India right now. In fact, it ranks behind the 2024 NEET controversy, Speaker election, Euros and the T20 World Cup in term of converge by the Indian media. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:29, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Large number of casualties (250+) and by all indications there appears to be significant political and community reactions from this incident (as opposed to other incidents). Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose per PrinceofPunjab and Masem, it does not appear to have any sort of long term impact. LiamKorda 16:57, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Dylon Powley

Article: Dylon Powley (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): CTV News, Northern Tribune
Credits:

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• Updated by RedPatch (talk · give credit)

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Former Canadian soccer player. Died in a motorcycle accident. --Classicwiki (talk) 10:44, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Joshua Wade

Article: Joshua Wade (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Anchorage Daily News, AP
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American serial killer. Article published 20 June, but appears to have died 14 June. Disclaimer: Nominating this article does not imply that I endorse or support this individual. It is just a recent death I read about.--Classicwiki (talk) 09:58, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: David Johnson (cricketer, born 1971)

Article: David Johnson (cricketer, born 1971) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Indian Express
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Former Indian cricketer. RIP. Ktin (talk) 16:46, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

"Brief career" Oppose — Iadmc♫^talk  16:49, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

What does "Brief career" mean? All that was accomplished in his career has been included. Unless you are referring to his career being brief and hence not important to post? If so -- I would request you have a look at the note above i.e. Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post. Ktin (talk) 04:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

There's not enough here to warrant his inclusion — Iadmc♫^talk  06:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Obviously notable, but too stubby and vague ("owing to different issues, he couldn’t prolong even his coaching career), and a lot of the text is identical to this article, that needs fixing. Black Kite (talk) 09:47, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

• I've removed the plagiarism (which has left it even more stubby, of course). Black Kite (talk) 09:54, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Taylor Wily

Article: Taylor Wily (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Associated Press The New York Times
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Staraction (talk | contribs) 04:10, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support - But the article needs a lot of work. I've expanded it with the various obituaries that have been written about him. Harizotoh9 (talk) 06:28, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

I sourced selected filmography list. BilboBeggins (talk) 06:44, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks good now. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 16:26, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

• Two {cn} tags remaining. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 17:25, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Resolved the last two tags. Also for those who don't know, he was more than an actor, as he was part of the first UFC fight broadcast, the first knock out, as well as an American who competed in sumo competitions in Japan. Also, he got local coverage in Hawaii during his high school football days as an up and coming player, and was the third heaviest high school football player in the country at the time. So he got fairly consistent news coverage throughout his life. Harizotoh9 (talk) 00:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support looks to be sufficiently referenced now. Pawnkingthree (talk) 00:07, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 03:41, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: Russell Morash

Article: Russell Morash (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): WGBH
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American television producer and director. Created/produced/directed The French Chef, The Victory Garden, This Old House, and The New Yankee Workshop. Thriley (talk) 03:30, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Wait there are two cn tags. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 12:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Looks good now. --Vacant0 (talk) 15:31, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
• Can we have sources for Date and Place of Birth, please? --PFHLai (talk) 17:24, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

  I've sourced those to the Deadline obit. Valereee (talk) 13:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

(Closed; posted RD) Blurb/RD: Donald Sutherland

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Article: Donald Sutherland (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  Canadian actor Donald Sutherland (pictured) dies at the age of 88 (Post)
News source(s): Deadline
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• Nominated by Natg 19 (talk · give credit)

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Natg 19 (talk) 17:31, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality Article needs major ref work done as there are unsourced statements in career section, award section and a bit in the early life section. Might support blurb if article reflects his impact/how influential he was. Support blurb once article is up to shape. Defitnely notable and influential based on legacy section and per other arguments. Real shame. RIP President Snow. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:36, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb. Top of his field, the best actor that we had. His body of work tells you lot, his films are jewels of world cinema. And he was active to last years of his life, so it is decades-spanning career. Him dying is a very big news. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Not much point in talking about a blurb until the sourcing is improved.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:20, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  Support RD sufficient quality now. Pawnkingthree (talk) 11:32, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb as RD proposer. A good/famous actor but does not rise to the level of a blurb. Will try to do more sourcing work later today. Natg 19 (talk) 19:26, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb simply having numerous films under their belt, nothing in the article indicates he was a great figure in the acting world (eg no legacy or impact) Masem (t) 19:35, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  But he was a great figure in acting world, we know it. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:08, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  That's nowhere stated in the article. Simply being an actor with a lot of roles and even a few Oscar's isn't enough, that's handwaving. We need an indepth coverage to explain why he has a legacy or impact from his career. — Masem (t) 20:17, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  He is a brand, it's as simple as that.

  The point of blurbing deaths of famous people is to inform that person known worldwide died, like in case of Sydney Poitier, Henry Kissinger, Jiang Zemin, the Queen.

  We blurbed former Greece King, surely we can blurb Sutherland? BilboBeggins (talk) 20:29, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  The RD line serves that purpose. Blurbs are reserved for cases where the death has draw attention or in the case or great figures that represent transformative ppl on their field — Masem (t) 21:34, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  Ironically, Sutherland did not win an Oscar, and actually won few traditional awards. He is noted as one of the "best without an Oscar", though he got an honorary one in 2017. Natg 19 (talk) 23:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

• Not Ready for the usual reason. Oppose blurb on merits. Sutherland was a good and well-known actor, but not in the top tier of the profession. Not that long ago the community turned down Kirk Douglas and Olivia de Havilland, two giants from the golden age of Hollywood. I'm interpreting that as setting a very high bar for blurbs for actors. -Ad Orientem (talk) 20:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  Two giants were turned down wrongly, it's bad to refer to wrong decisions.

  He passes Sidney Poitier threshold and is bigger than Betty White whom we blurbed. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  Betty White was a bad post because it was based on popularity. Poitier has a significant impact on Hollywood due to his acting skills and race, which he extended after his career, creating a clear legacy. There is not really anything to say the same for D. Sutherland here, which is needed to post a blurb — Masem (t) 21:32, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  Poitier was famous for lead roles in films that were nominated for Oscar in important categories or won. Poitier had activism, Sutherland was active in anti-Vietnam war movement.

  They both won honorary Oscars.

  But unlike Poitier, who in his last thirty or thirty five years only had one prominent role in Jackal, Sutherland had dozens of them. Pride and Prejudice, Six degrees of separation, Cold mountain, and I am listing only Oscar nommed films. BilboBeggins (talk) 22:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  Correct. Hollywood actors are known figures, but they're still just actors, and we shouldn't overstate their world impact. Sutherland is worthy of being listed on the front page as RD but not with a blurb as a top story. Harizotoh9 (talk) 00:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb per above and as a matter of principle This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 22:17, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The irony here, of course, is that we almost certainly not going to blurb Sutherland, a very famous and widely loved actor, but we have just blurbed Mays, someone about which the vast majority of the planet would say "who?". (That's not a comment on Americentrism by the way, we have blurbed two non-American sportspeople this year as well). We really do need to think about how illogical this process is. Black Kite (talk) 22:29, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  100% agreement although I don't accept it as a foregone conclusion based on several votes. If several days are needed to improve the article's citations and make his legacy clearer, we should allow that, but his death is major news and that's the entire point of ITN. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 22:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  I also thought about this. Why we blurbed Mays, who has 30 wikipages, Shane Warne, who had 30 wiki pages at the moment of his death, but we didn't blurb Vangelis, we didn't blurb Christopher Plummer (in my opinion we should jave blurbed him).

  Donald Sutherland has 80 wiki pages, he is household name worldwide. BilboBeggins (talk) 23:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  I definitely feel that this process is odd and unintuitive, so either we should get rid of death blurbs altogether, or codify the process to which one gets a death blurb. Currently, it is seems arbitrary and based on "transcendence" and "significant impact", whatever that actually means. I personally am biased in favor of sportspeople, but there needs to be a way to eliminate personal biases from ITN. Natg 19 (talk) 23:36, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  ITN is not about fame or popularity. Blurbs should be for great figures with articles that are some of our best content, even if the person is obscure or not well know outside their field. Otherwise when we use fame or name recognition, ITN blurbs favor western people and those in highly public area like politics or entertainment. We have to fight that bias by not considered fame or obscurity as long as the death is reported by multiple sources and the article respects our best work to be featured on the main page. — Masem (t) 00:50, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  But this is my biggest issue though, what makes someone a "great figure"? Some here would argue that Sutherland is. Not sure how you define "best content" either. Does the article have be a GA or FA? Natg 19 (talk) 02:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  The two main factors specified on WP:ITN are a) the quality of the article, including material added or updated to reflect the recent event, and b) the general significance of the developments. The article has already been significantly improved and it continues to improve. Two days ago, it had an ORES predicted quality of C (3.74), but it's now B (3.88). There are 80 language links on the article. It's front page news on Le Monde (French), The Times of India (Indian English), and The Asahi Shimbun (Japanese). That is not indicative of Western bias. It shouldn't be up to anyone here to overrule the news to decide he's not a "great figure". It's major news and replacing an old news item such as the NBA finals with a blurb about Donald Sutherland's death would significantly improve the main page. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 02:33, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  WP:ITNRDBLURB is the criteria for RD blurbs, which are in addition to the main ITN criteria we don't have to use fame, popularity, role count, or other factors, we consider what their impact was in their field, and honestly, there is nothing in our article that demonstrates that. That type of content and sourcing from secondary RSes is how we determine a "great figure", and not simply by how much coverage an RD gets. — Masem (t) 03:20, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  My points about the international significance and coverage remain valid. I'm not arguing based on fame, popularity, or role count, so I'm not sure why you're mentioning those. The selective approach often taken here towards recent deaths reads as elitist and disregards the impact of films and television on culture. Discounting his role in M*A*S*H which had a major impact on views of war and authority, his performance in Ordinary People, and his other contributions seems shortsighted. As to his impact on the field, he was honored with an honorary Academy Award for lifetime achievement in 2017. The Academy doesn't award those to any old schlub that's famous. His recent death is newsworthy and would serve as a more compelling current use of the ITN blurbs than several entries currently featured. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 05:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  we consider what their impact was in their field, and honestly, there is nothing in our article that demonstrates that Sutherland had a massive impact in the field of cinema, as is indicated by news publications worldwide prominently reporting on his death. The fact that our article wrongly doesn't reflect that point doesn't mean anything (cf. WP:ARTN). voorts (talk/contributions) 08:40, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  For purpose of what ITN is and that blurb RDs are meant to be exceptions from the rule, and that blurbed items are supposed to reflect the best of WP's work, the failure of the article to be properly sourced as a BLP and the lack of content from secondary sources on how he impacted the industry or left a legacy in clear format is a major roadblock in considering this as an a blurb. International coverage US inly a indicator if a famous name, unkess all that coverage speaks to his legacy and not simply talking about his death or reprintimg wire stories. — Masem (t) 09:41, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  I will add that since this ITN was started a Legacy section has been added which starts bring this more in line with demonstrating"great figure". But it is still miles away in terms of sourcing to be even included as an RD. — Masem (t) 11:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  And Mays certainly did not deserve a blurb as I’ve repeatedly said This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 01:41, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb. The New York Times has not one, not two, but three features about him on their front page right now. The Canadian The Globe and Mail has him featured at the top of their front page. The BBC has him featured top left. The man is a giant, one of the most famous Canadian actors of any age. I don't know if it's a bias disfavoring entertainment figures, Canadians, or both, but not doing a blurb would be doubling down on previous bad decisions. Daniel Quinlan (talk) 22:42, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb. Not remotely of the level of significance for a blurb. I was pleasantly surprised earlier, when I saw that he was nominated for RD only, but clearly I raised my hopes too soon. Just to be clear, being a famous person that people have heard of does not mean you're automatically blurbed. Blurbs are for the exceptional few who transcend all others.  — Amakuru (talk) 23:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb. Receiving broad coverage at most news sources, and these stories about his career and death are the most-read stories at those sources. Sutherland was a household name, widely respected and richly honored. While the current ITN selection process is biased, public interest is an inherent factor is newsworthiness. To be useful, ITN must grasp that. Other-language ITNs do a much better job of this. Dr Fell (talk) 00:19, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, weak oppose blurb Big hunger games fan but unfortunately not notable for blurb (I would argue he's more notable then the locked baseball player, though.....) Sharrdx (talk) 01:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb a popular actor but he was not on the top of his field. LiamKorda 03:32, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  He was top of his field. BilboBeggins (talk) 05:43, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  His field was acting. Meryl Streep and Daniel Day Lewis are the toppers in this field but he isn't. LiamKorda 10:45, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  That of course is an entirely subjective opinion. Pawnkingthree (talk) 14:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  A non-subjective opinion held by editors who you want to silence. Abductive (reasoning) 19:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  That's why we need the coverage of why reliable, secondary sources consider a person to be top of their field, which must be present in the article, as to avoid the handwaving either way that a person does or doesn't deserve a blurb. We want to take editors' personal options and IHATEIT/ILIKEIT type arguments (which are occurring even in this blurb discuss) out of the picture and focus on if we are providing the reader the right justification for a blurb. — Masem (t) 21:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Photo RD Only He was certainly one of Canada's oldest best actors, but far enough from the top of any easily Googlable list. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:26, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  You know we don't do photo RDs. He was top Canadian actor. BilboBeggins (talk) 05:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  And you know what Keanu Reeves, Rachel McAdams, Jim Carrey, Sarah Polley, the Trailer Park Boys, Evangeline Lily and Bret Hart say about making our dreams a reality. InedibleHulk (talk) 06:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose article is tagged as needing more sources. Not what we need for ITN— Iadmc♫^talk  05:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  OK the More Sources tag has gone as more have been added. Weak Support now — Iadmc♫^talk  07:42, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb per Bilbo Beggins, Daniel Quinlan and Dr Fell, who all make excellent points. Jusdafax (talk) 06:38, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb, blurbs should be reserved for those people whose deaths and/or funerals could support a stand-alone article. Abductive (reasoning) 06:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  It's not the only reason for the blurbs. BilboBeggins (talk) 07:17, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  I too still stand by this argument. I have voted to support death blurbs on an WP:ILIKEIT basis before, but I really think these articles are only suitable for blurbing if we have at least an extensive section on the individual's death. That is the work we are featuring in these situations. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:09, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  That would mean we blurb barely notable people who die in really odd ways and get a long death section in their article, and I don't think that's what you all really want, but please correct me if I'm wrong. voorts (talk/contributions) 08:42, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  That doesn't happen. "Death" does not mean "cause of death", instead it is about our response to the event of a famous person dying. Abductive (reasoning) 09:10, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  It does actually include the cause of death. An unfortunate accident or high-profile murder makes something much more likely to blurb. It's not like barely-notable people frequently die by rube-goldberg machine that needs two paragraphs to explain. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  Show me a time when that caused a user to nominate someone for a blurb. Abductive (reasoning) 19:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  That's not anywhere in ITN guidelines at all. That would lead to editors gaming the system to fill a death article with reaction kudzu just to justify that article and a blurb. Further, simply having a legit standalone evdeath article would not necessarily be sufficient if the person simply dies of old age. For example, we know Jimmy Carter is close. As a former US president he will likely have a state funeral and all that for a standalone, but whether he would be blurbed just for that is unckearm — Masem (t) 09:47, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  You're saying that it would motivate ITN editors to actually update and expand upon the articles they nominate? I'm not seeing the problem there. If the additions are low-quality, the blurb gets rejected for that reason. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 09:51, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  Expanding a proper article with proper encyclopedic content would be reasonable. What I fear are editors, being told a requirement for an RD urn is a separate article about their death (which is not in our guidelines) will create an article with dozens of reaction statements from any possible reliable source to demonstrare the death was significant, with actually writing towards why the person should be taken as one of the greats — Masem (t) 12:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  This is a strawman argument. Abductive (reasoning) 19:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  We know you think Jimmy Carter is close. How many blurb arguments has this page seen since you started saying so? 30? 50? Give it a rest, please. He's a biographically living person. InedibleHulk (talk) 11:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  All I'm saying is that having a separate death article is not any guaranty of having a death blurb, nor a requirement for a blurb — Masem (t) 12:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  If that was all you're saying, I wouldn't be here. Anyway, after checking to see when you started, I see it's not really a "you problem"; others began earlier and have followed since. Sorry for that. Still, a bit morbid a practice, generally. InedibleHulk (talk) 12:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support RD, Oppose blurb Certainly RD worthy but I don't think he quite made the blurb -worthy level. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:49, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb on notability per BilboBeggins and Dr Fell. Renewal6 (talk) 11:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb He is evidently and significantly more famous than Willy Mays and the rest. Citing his appearances in well-known movies from M*A*S*H to the Hunger Games is superfluous busywork. Andrew🐉(talk) 11:56, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  You will notice that no admin has even posted him to the RD ticker. And the rapid posting and lack of opposition to Willy Mays speaks for itself. Abductive (reasoning) 19:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  "Always with the negative waves..." Andrew🐉(talk) 20:55, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose on quality Accolades section should probably be orange tagged, several missing references to his nominations and awards. Oppose blurb An actor whose had a successful career doesn't rise to the level of ITN mention. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:38, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Blurb He was certainly not the most prominent person on his field. Also, I opposed Willie Mays's blurb because I knew that the next non-american death blurb will have people cite his blurb as a reason to push their candidate articles. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 12:50, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb A legendary actor, but not quite to the extent of one that we would blurb. The “but Willie Mays!!!” naysayers are silly. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:43, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose on quality, support RD, weak support blurb when ready per Daniel Quinlan. Article still has way too many citation needed tags. Staraction (talk | contribs) 21:30, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Support RD because of quality issues that are being discussed. Neutral on blurb at this point. I agree with Black Kite’s comment above that:“We really do need to think about how illogical this process is.” If you have grown weary of this process, too, then please join in on our Talk page ~> Should RD’s have their own section separate from the In the News section?. Trauma Novitiate (talk) 23:39, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment: @Natg 19, @TDKR Chicago 101, @Pawnkingthree, @Ad Orientem, @Iadmc, @Kcmastrpc, @Staraction, @Trauma Novitiate, I believe you all opposed RD on the grounds of sourcing. I just added a bunch of citations. I am marking ready for RD at least. Feel free to remove if you still think there are quality issues with the article. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 05:37, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  It is better, for sure. Changed my vote to Support but this RD has already been posted. Trauma Novitiate (talk) 11:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  Updated my vote since the article quality has improved substantially. Kcmastrpc (talk) 12:39, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

• Posted RD Stephen 11:30, 22 June 2024 (UTC)
• post-Posted comment - But now, whether you support or oppose a blurb, I think most of us can agree that this RD/Blurb process does not work. That’s why I posted this on our Talk Page recently: Please join the discussion ~~>Should RD’s have their own section separate from the In the News section?. Trauma Novitiate (talk) 12:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  I agree, it seems completely random and seemingly depends on time RD item is proposed. BilboBeggins (talk) 14:45, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  Is all this relevent to the already-posted item under discussion? Shouldn't this now be closed as done? — Iadmc♫^talk  14:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  No, blurb discussion continues and discussing arguments about choosing whom to blurb is important. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:02, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb. For an actor largely known for his work in movies, I find the lack of Oscar nominations let alone wins to be a pretty convincing reason why he should not be posted. Michael Douglas and Olivia de Havilland actually won competitive and yet we apparently didn't post them. Blurbs aren't meant to be a popularity contest. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 15:09, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  Michael is alive and is turning 80 this summer. He was also one of those who pour tributes to Donald.

  He was lead actor in 70s and 80s, it was pretty cramped then. He lost his best chance for Golden Globe win for film to Robert DeNiro.

  Having no Oscar nominations while being top actor in his prime is also what makes him encyclopedically relevant — the best actor not to receive an Oscar nomination.

  And he got honorary Oscar, it's more important and indicative than the ones given to Cuba Gooding Jr., Tatum O'Neal, Mo'Nique and others who haven't achieved that much on film BilboBeggins (talk) 20:16, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  Be careful not to WP:BLUDGEON the discussion, you've responded to quite a few oppose votes. The Kip ^(contribs) 21:21, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support adding photo While I remain opposed to a blurb, I think adding Sutherland's photo until something more interesting comes along or he drops off the RD list, is fine. -Ad Orientem (talk) 16:35, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  Let's have a photo, I am in! BilboBeggins (talk) 20:15, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  I agree, there should be a photo. Please weigh in on the Talk page ~~> Currently 2 options: RD or RD/blurb. How about a 3rd option: RD/photo but no blurb? so we can have consensus and get this option put in place! Trauma Novitiate (talk) 20:48, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  Please, do not WP:CANVASS individual people to weigh on open discussions elsewhere. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 06:15, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Can someone please close this? It's already in ITN under RD — Iadmc♫^talk  06:18, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

The discussion is ongoing about whether or not to have a blurb. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 06:22, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Ah I see. Got it — Iadmc♫^talk  06:27, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose blurb and photo it's ok just to have an honourable mention as now. Blurb and photo not necessary — Iadmc♫^talk  06:30, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

Ah but it softens the blow to see a photo for the many who wanted a blurb and it didn’t reach consensus to blurb… Trauma Novitiate (talk) 20:09, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

• (Post-posting comment) I weakly support a stronger mention than the RD list, mainly because there already is a RD blurb, but that blurb by itself illustrates why "most prominent person in the field" is a poor criterion. Baseball has practically no following outside US, Canada and Japan. Hence, I would reckon a similar amount of people is familiar with both Donald Sutherland and Willie Mays. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Eric Roberts has been seen by far more people than Willie Mays has, even though you very likely don't know who this is. Daß Wölf 16:12, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

  Far more amount of people are familiar with Donald Sutherland than Willie Mays. BilboBeggins (talk) 06:00, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

  Never heard of Mays. Sutherland is internationally known and acclaimed — Iadmc♫^talk  06:28, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Comment. In my opinion, this piece by Guardian shows that he was transformative, revered and top of the field [2]. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:04, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted) Iberian lynx

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Article: Iberian lynx (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The iberian lynx is reclassified from endangered to vulnerable on the IUCN Red List. (Post)
News source(s): BBC Reuters CBS The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Staraction (talk · give credit)

This isn't usually what I see in ITNC, but I think it could be interesting. Inserted more links to news sources to demonstrate that the topic is relevant in the news. Article may need to be updated more with news-relevant information. Staraction (talk | contribs) 15:07, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Weak Oppose while it is a good and positive news, I do not think it a something that is blurbworthy. I would have supported it if it was a news about the cat's extinction (fortunately it isn't). PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:50, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Support after thinking bout it a bit and reading other users' comments, I have changed my mind. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 12:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose as per above, but sounds like a good dyk! Sharrdx (talk) 15:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

For DYK, the article would have to be expanded fivefold in one week (not possible due to its size) or promoted to GA, so that isn't likely to happen right now. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:06, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Weak Oppose for this specific case which just doesn't rise to the level of blurbworthiness, but I would be more than happy to see more positive news like this one! Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 16:08, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Edit: Support on principle, to support having more positive conservation news on the encyclopedia's main page. Not everything has to be politics and disasters to be blurbworthy. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 00:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Weak Oppose per PrinceofPunjab and Chaotic Enby. Even though it is a positive news and make me happy to read it, I am of the opinion that it is not main page worthy. Also because it is not a popular animal or Species. LiamKorda 16:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose I think years ago the Great Panda's reclassification was posted but I think it was coupled with Guerillas becoming critically endangered. But this one doesn't seem to be as notable. Scaramouche33 (talk) 17:11, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support This is type of news that an encyclopaedia should feature more.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 18:00, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Support. Very appropriate for encyclopedia to include this on front page. BilboBeggins (talk) 19:12, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Support Important and major conservation news. The species was almost extinct not long ago. It's not often that nature topics are on the main page. --Mika1h (talk) 00:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Support per Mika1h. Finally. Bremps... 00:52, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support this is just the kind of good news story INT needs and the article is well written and sourced— Iadmc♫^talk  06:11, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose, a reclassification "on paper" with no lasting impact. Abductive (reasoning) 06:46, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  This “paper” does not aim to have an impact, but the importance is that this reclassification is the confirmation of a reality, which is what is being debated if it is ITN-worthy. _-_Alsor (talk) 08:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  It certainly does, the humans who wrote the report were probably happy, maybe they took their spouses out to dinner. But this is just minor news of no lasting impact. Abductive (reasoning) 09:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support – Good news, and a decent article for us to feature. I would wonder if a move into "Near-Threatened" would be more appropriate for a feature than a move from "Endangered" to "Vulnerable." I hope to see more stories like this nominated, as it's a great way for us to feature our animal articles in ITN. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:04, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support This has been very big news in Spain and Portugal, where the lynx is basically the de facto symbol of environmental conservation. Lynx numbers aren't just growing, they're also spreading out to different areas than the ones they were reintroduced to. It's raised conversations about other areas of conservation, including rabbits, the main source of food for the lynx, which are currently suffering from a disease outbreak. It even has political relevance, as the destruction of the lynx was started in the Francoist period; debates on the legacy of Francoism are a huge issue in Spanish politics right now. I just can't understand the argument that this has "no lasting impact". --Grnrchst (talk) 12:29, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  I've added this information re. hunting, and Franco's influence, to the article. Thanks for pointing it out! Staraction (talk | contribs) 14:53, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Personally the "positive news" arguments are unproductive, and, IMO, irrelevant. To this end, I was somewhat of the belief of opposing this as an administrative change (there are several endangered tiers, this is only between two adjacent ones, but Grnrchst's argument on the impact is convincing, so I'm also going to go support, even if the story is somewhat not just about the relisting itself. DarkSide830 (talk) 14:31, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
•  Posted – robertsky (talk) 15:26, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support something to dilute the constant deaths spam. me likey Kasperquickly (talk) 17:08, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
• Post-posting support Article looks good and I personally find any species on the brink of extinction blurb worthy. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 17:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  A "vulnerable" species is three IUCN levels away from the brink of extinction. That's not a post-posting oppose or anything, as a good-looking animal article (especially with fur) is a sight for sore eyes. Just a reminder. InedibleHulk (talk) 01:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support per Kiril Simeonovski and BilboBeggins. This is what encyclopedic news looks like. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 21:05, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Hear, hear! Yakikaki (talk) 21:03, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

• Post-posting oppose — Many species have their classification changed each year. The iberian lynx is nothing special. elijahpepe@wikipedia (he/him) 02:34, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  As none of those species were even nominated, much less supported and posted, I'd say it's fairly clear how this cat is all that. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:30, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

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June 19

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June 19, 2024 (2024-06-19) (Wednesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Syrian civil war Israel's role in the Syrian civil war An Israeli airstrike kills a Syrian army officer in southern Syria. (Arab News) Israel–Hezbollah conflict Hezbollah announces that an Israeli strike in southern Lebanon killed three of its fighters. (AP) Hezbollah secretary general Hassan Nasrallah threatens Cyprus if it allows Israel to use its airports and bases for military exercises which Cypriot president Nikos Christodoulides denies as well as announcing the possibility of a ground invasion of Galilee. (Reuters) Business and economy The European Commission reprimands Belgium, France, Hungary, Italy, Malta, Poland, and Slovakia for breaking budget rules. (Le Monde) Disasters and accidents 2024 Atlantic hurricane season Tropical Storm Alberto forms in the Gulf of Mexico, the first storm of the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season. (USA Today) 2024 Hajj disaster At least 922 pilgrims are now confirmed to have died from heat-related causes during the Hajj in Saudi Arabia. (France 24) N'Djamena ammunition depot explosions At least nine people are killed and 46 others are injured in a series of explosions at a military ammunition depot in N'Djamena, Chad. (AP) Landslides caused by heavy monsoon rains in Bangladesh and India kill at least 15 people, injure several others, and displace millions of people. (Al Jazeera) At least four people are killed and more than a dozen others are missing after record rains impact parts of southern China. (Al Jazeera) International relations Canada–Iran relations Canada adds Iran's Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps to its list of terrorist entities. (Bloomberg) North Korea–Russia relations Russian President Vladimir Putin and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un sign an agreement to grant mutual aid and support in case either nation faces aggression. (AP) Sudanese civil war Sudan accuses the United Arab Emirates of arming the Rapid Support Forces. (Al Jazeera) Law and crime 2024 New Caledonia unrest New Caledonia police arrest independence leader Christian Tein and seven others on suspicion of being involved in the deadly violence in the territory. (DW) Antisemitism during the Israel–Hamas war, Antisemitism in 21st-century France Two teenagers are charged with the gang rape of a 12-year-old Jewish girl in Courbevoie, France, in an attack suspected to have been motivated by antisemitism. (Al Arabiya) Vandalism of Stonehenge Two Just Stop Oil environmental protesters are arrested after damaging three standing stones of the Stonehenge prehistoric megalithic structure with orange powder paint. (BBC News) The National Assembly of Tajikistan approves a bill banning "alien garments" and children's celebrations for Eid al-Fitr and Eid Al-Adha. (RFE/RL) Politics and elections Aging of South Korea South Korean president Yoon Suk Yeol declares a 'demographic national emergency', citing an ultralow birth rate and a declining population. (Yonhap) Human Rights Watch reports that China has changed the names of hundreds of villages inhabited by Uyghurs in order to reflect the ruling Communist Party's ideology. (DW) The Italian Parliament passes a law granting more autonomy to the country's regions following a night of debate. The opposition Democratic Party and former Prime Minister Matteo Renzi express opposition to the bill, with the latter launching a campaign to force a referendum. (Reuters) Sports 2024–25 UEFA Nations League A The city of Brussels, Belgium, announces that it will not host a UEFA Nations League match between Belgium and Israel on September 6 due to security concerns. (Euronews)

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(Posted) RD: Ashin Munindabhivamsa

Article: Ashin Munindabhivamsa (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): BBC Burmese
Credits:

• Created and nominated by Htanaungg (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Htanaungg (talk) 04:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Appropriate depth of coverage, AGF on references. Spencer^T•C 06:06, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• Posted. --PFHLai (talk) 11:28, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: George M. Woodwell

Article: George M. Woodwell (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NY Times
Credits:

• Nominated by Thriley (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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American ecologist. Founder of the Woodwell Climate Research Center. Death announced 19 June. Thriley (talk) 19:55, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Whole uncited paragraphs. Needs some work before getting posted. More independent references needed. Bremps... 00:55, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose whole article is weirdly written, there are some primary sources and needs a lot of work. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:01, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

(Closed) Vandalism of Stonehenge

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Article: Vandalism of Stonehenge (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ The prehistoric Stonehenge is vandalized by Just Stop Oil climate protesters. (Post)
News source(s): The Washington Post The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by ArionStar (talk · give credit)

ArionStar (talk) 00:05, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose besides not posting the other vandalism this group has tried to do in the past, they did not permanently damage Stonehenge compared to Clark Griswold. Publicity stunt which doesn't really make it appropriate for ITN. --Masem (t) 00:13, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
• No, Thank You, per above. InedibleHulk (talk) 03:20, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose - one of many such acts by that group. This is not notable among them unless the damage was permanent. EvergreenFir (talk) 03:33, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment The entirety of this event should be one sentence in the main Stonehenge article, if even that. A paragraph if it permanently alters the structure. Beyond this it is not historically significant in any way and I don't know what would possess someone to create an entire article about it. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 03:49, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

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RD: Arvind

Article: Arvind (computer scientist) (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): MIT News
Credits:

• Nominated by QueensanditsCrazy (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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MIT computer science faculty for over 50 years. QueensanditsCrazy (talk) 18:22, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Other than general notability concerns, a lot of the sources cited on their page are primary sources and need to be reviewed. Scu ba (talk) 00:21, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

  Passes WP:NPROF as an IEEE fellow and distinguished chair, so no notability concerns here. Curbon7 (talk) 03:40, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose there are multiple cn tags and also some sources are primary in nature. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:52, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

2024 Hajj disaster

Article: 2024 Hajj disaster (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ At least 922 pilgrims died due to extreme heat in Mecca, Saudi Arabia during the Hajj (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ In Saudi Arabia, at least 900 people die due to extreme heat during the Hajj
Alternative blurb II: ​ Over one thousand pilgrims die due to extreme heat in Mecca, Saudi Arabia during the Hajj
News source(s): France24 AP
Credits:

• Nominated by Afif Brika1 (talk · give credit)

Afif Brika1 (talk) 16:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment article quality is not up to par; article is very stubby. Natg 19 (talk) 17:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality as it's a stub. The Kip ^(contribs) 20:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support in principle Yikes! We don't have MINDEATHS but if we did this would certainly exceed it This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 20:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality It's not even worthy of being called a stub, it's effectively just a list in prose and then table form of numbers of deaths by national origin. Support in principle, but it's going to take significant work at the moment. Kingsif (talk) 21:20, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Support on notability but oppose on quality This is certainly notable enough for ITN, but the article needs to be developed before it will be suitable to post. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 12:19, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Support on notability, still needs improvement on quality. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 13:47, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose on quality article needs a lot of expansion but it is blurbworthy event since death toll is extremely high. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:54, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

• Note to admin if this ever reaches posting stage, the death toll number has changed and the blurb should updated (could just say, "over thousand people die to extreme heat" if you want to be non-specific). --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 20:16, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  added alt2 — hako9 (talk) 21:50, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability, Oppose on quality. The high death toll makes it worthy enough for the ITN but the article needs to be expanded more. 🛧Midori No Sora♪🛪 ( ☁＝☁＝✈) 21:27, 23 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose The proposed blurbs focus only on the heat when there's more to it than that. See the BBC report which explains that "One reason there are may be many deaths every year at the Hajj is that many pilgrims go towards the end of their life, after saving for a lifetime. Many Muslims also go in the hopes that if they die, it is during the Hajj - as it is considered to be a blessing to die and be buried in the holy city." The article says something of this but it's buried in footnotes such "It is reported that the majority died of chronic conditions." But its lead doesn't mention this and just gives the facile explanation of the heat. A more thorough analysis is needed. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:48, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability, but the quality is still some way away, but attainable. Hyperbolick (talk) 07:14, 24 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support on notability — Ainty Painty (talk) 03:22, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support article looks to be good at the moment. Ornithoptera (talk) 05:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)
• Admin comment I've had a look as to whether article quality has improved sufficiently (based on today's comments) but it doesn't look to be quite there yet, and neither has much prose been added to it in the last day. Hence, it needs some work. Schwede66 10:20, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

June 18

Portal:Current events/2024 June 18

June 18, 2024 (2024-06-18) (Tuesday) Armed conflicts and attacks Red Sea crisis Attacks on the MV Tutor The Liberia-flagged MV Tutor sinks in the Red Sea six days after being attacked by a Houthi unmanned surface vessel and missile. (AP) Russian invasion of Ukraine Russian strikes against Ukrainian infrastructure Ukraine experiences rolling blackouts due to Russian attacks on power plants across the country. (Al Jazeera) Korean conflict South Korean soldiers fire warning shots at North Korean soldiers who crossed the Demarcation Line, apparently in error. It is the second such incident at the demarcation line in the past month. (AP) North Korean troop casualties are reported following landmine explosions in the Korean Demilitarized Zone. (The Guardian) Business and economy Nvidia surpasses Microsoft as the world's most valuable publicly-traded company after its market cap exceeds US$3.34 trillion. (NBC News) The United States Department of Agriculture announces a temporary suspension on imports of mangoes and avocados from Michoacán, Mexico, after an incident that reportedly caused security concerns for safety inspectors. (ABC News) Disasters and accidents 2024 Hajj disaster More than 577 pilgrims from Jordan, Egypt, Tunisia, and Indonesia are confirmed to have died of heat-related illnesses during the Hajj in Saudi Arabia. (The Jordan Times) (CBS News) (Sharjah 24) (Bernama) 2024 New Mexico wildfires At least one person dies, over 500 structures are damaged or destroyed, and several thousand people are forced to evacuate from Ruidoso, New Mexico, United States, after the South Fork Fire burns over 15,276 acres of land. (AP) At least nine people are killed and 15 others are missing during landslides caused by floods in Guangdong and Fujian provinces, China. (AP) Nine people are killed in a fire caused by an electric short circuit at a hospital in Rasht, Iran. (AP) At least four people are killed and more than 120 others are injured by a magnitude 5.0 earthquake in Kashmar, Iran. (Iran International) International relations China–Ecuador relations Ecuador's foreign ministry announces that it is reinstating a visa requirement for travelers from China, citing an increase in irregular migratory flows from China. (Reuters) Israel–Kosovo relations Israel and Kosovo agree to allow their citizens reciprocal visa-free travel. (AP) Sweden–United States relations The Swedish Parliament votes 266–37 to adopt a defense agreement with the United States, giving the U.S. military access to 17 military bases and training areas in Sweden, including for weapon and military equipment storage. (Le Monde) Law and crime Lèse-majesté in Thailand Former Prime Minister of Thailand Thaksin Shinawatra is indicted on a charge of royal defamation. (AP) A court in Iran sentences Nobel Peace Prize laureate Narges Mohammadi to one year in prison for propaganda against the state. (Al Arabiya) Kazakh opposition activist Aydos Sadykov is shot and injured in Kyiv, Ukraine. (Radio Free Europe) Politics and elections LGBT rights in Thailand, Recognition of same-sex unions in Thailand The Senate of Thailand passes a marriage equality bill that will legalize same-sex marriage in the country, with the bill now awaiting royal assent. (CNN) Sports Regan Smith breaks the 100 metres backstroke world record at the US Olympic Swimming Trials in Indianapolis, Indiana, United States. (Olympics)

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(Posted) RD: Gerhard Klingenberg

Article: Gerhard Klingenberg (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Burgtheater + several in German papers
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by Gerda Arendt (talk · give credit)

Article updated
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Great Austrian actor, stage director, film director, manager of Burgtheater, - had 2 sentences of an article which was up for deletion upon his death. Much improved by many actually. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:44, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Article is good and well sourced.— Iadmc♫^talk  08:59, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Comment filmography section depends almost entirely on a single source called "Filmportal", is it a reliable source or is it an German equivalent of IMDb ? PrinceofPunjab^TALK 13:06, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

It has been treated reliable in other articles. Also: these are films that exist, vs. biographical facts. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

ps: also, none of the obits even mentions this part of his career, - we could shorten it if that helps. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:05, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

• Not every film listed is in that single reference. Stephen 11:39, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

  Sigh, an IP added many items, - I tried to comment out those not mentioned in the ref. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:29, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 01:26, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Daniel Patrick Reilly

Article: Daniel Patrick Reilly (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): Worcester Telegram & Gazette
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Mohamad Darilin (talk · give credit) and 75.130.95.146 (talk · give credit)

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American prelate of the Roman Catholic Church.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 06:07, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Support article looks alright to me. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

Support now that the allegations levied against him have been added to the lede. Icky person, but that wouldn't be a policy-based reason for opposing. Bremps... 21:45, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

• Posted Stephen 11:37, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

RD: James Chance

Article: James Chance (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): NME, Variety, Rolling Stone
Credits:

• Nominated by 240F:7A:6253:1:C0E7:E4A8:1532:6307 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Giovata (talk · give credit)

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American saxophonist. 240F:7A:6253:1:C0E7:E4A8:1532:6307 (talk) 18:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose there are several cn tags and an orange tag. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:56, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

• There are a handful of {cn} tags in the prose. The Discography is a string of largely unsourced bullet-points. Please add more REFs. --PFHLai (talk) 11:48, 23 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Allan Saxe

Article: Allan Saxe (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): The Dallas Morning News
Credits:

• Updated and nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)

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Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 09:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support It sure is. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support article is ready. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:40, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) RD: Sara Facio

Article: Sara Facio (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination (Post)
News source(s): La Nacion
Credits:

• Nominated by TDKR Chicago 101 (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Günther Frager (talk · give credit) and Classicwiki (talk · give credit)

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Article updated and well sourced. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 05:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Story checks out. InedibleHulk (talk) 10:12, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support article is a very good shape. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 22:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Blurb/RD: Willie Mays

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Article: Willie Mays (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American baseball player Willie Mays (pictured) dies at the age of 93 (Post)
News source(s): San Francisco Chronicle
Credits:

• Nominated by Muboshgu (talk · give credit)

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Sey hey. – Muboshgu (talk) 01:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support: don't see any issues _pbp 01:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• I’d support a blurb. Article appears to be in the usual flux, post death. This wasn’t just any baseball great. Arguably the greatest all-around player in the sport. Maybe even any sport. Jusdafax (talk) 01:14, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb: Household name even beyond baseball fans. Funcrunch (talk) 01:53, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb Article looks good and Mays is beyond an influential figure in baseball and sports. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 02:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Blurb - widely acknowledged as among the greatest ball players of all time. nableezy - 02:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support Blurb - cannot add to what's been said. This should be a reverse WP:SNOW situation. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 02:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb Article is solid and Mays was one of the greatest figures in sports history. -Ad Orientem (talk) 02:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb I was born in 1992 and have never really been a sports fan, but I've long known about Willie Mays. Total household name and probably among the top 5 most significant deaths of the last year. 1779Days (talk) 02:39, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb - household name and one of the greatest athletes of all time. The Kip ^(contribs) 03:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Posted Stephen 03:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Post-Posting Support A legendary and groundbreaking baseball player and a great human who paved the way for so many.-TenorTwelve (talk) 04:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Post-posting support blurb, as per all above. BD2412 T 04:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Fail to see how this is anything other than Americentrism. There is no way a blurb would be posted for an Indian cricketer for example. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Shane Warne's death in 2022 was posted. PeteF16 (talk) 04:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Warne died unexpectedly at the age of 52. He was still a very public figure up until his death. HiLo48 (talk) 05:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

And he wasn't Indian or European. BilboBeggins (talk) 05:25, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

He was Anglo-Saxon, not the best example. _-_Alsor (talk) 05:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

It's a good example of anyone, regardless of age, ethnicity or sexual experience, who was blurbed for dying after playing cricket well. Same niche, but polar opposite, like wolves and foxes. What's good for one batsman, and all that. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

He was not an Anglo-Saxon. He was an Australian. I agree with The C of E below that it's not constructive to make this a race thing - but also, that's an absolutely ludicrous way to regard his ethnicity. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

The existing bias in ITN in favor of certain countries is an unquestionable truism that has often been the subject of debate. This occasion was not going to be an exception. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:04, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

It wouldn’t surprise me if Tendulkar’s blurbed when he dies. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 05:53, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

And as a white Englishman, I'd be delighted to support blurbing him when the time comes. But can we please not make this a race thing? The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Tendulkar's retirement was posted, which is exceedingly rare, and I have no doubt that when he dies, he would deserve an ITN blurb. [3] -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 14:52, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Yes, Americentrism can be a thing sometimes, but we actually blurbed the death of a Kenyan athlete only in February, and a German footballer in January. Black Kite (talk) 10:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Pull blurb not a serving head of state or government, and the death as an event is not notable. Petty sports trivia, and see discussion as regards Jerry West for my thoughts on deathblurbs generally (TLDR: no) This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

I don't think anyone else thinks those are the criteria. If you want to make it so that only servign heads of state or people who die in unexpected ways get blurbs, you should propose that in the appropriate place. Saying it here as though it's already accepted won't make it true. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:10, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb, but surprised that Mays got blurbed so quickly, and Jerry West had lengthy discussion and did not make it. Natg 19 (talk) 04:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

  As good as West was as a basketball player, Mays was better as a baseball player (though West’s accomplishments as a GM & his status as the inspiration for the NBA’s logo were other arguments that could’ve led to him being blurbed if there’d been enough support). Blaylockjam10 (talk) 06:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose Pull because I remember how it felt to have Gordie Howe's posthumous picture "torn away" from "us", but agree with the sentiment; we're too late. InedibleHulk (talk) 05:07, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Pull blurb per Orbital. He may have been a baseball legend, but he is not a globally notorious figure and it is a sport whose popularity is very local. Far from being comparable to Maradona or Pelé. And let's leave emotions aside, this blurb should be pulled by objective criteria. _-_Alsor (talk) 05:18, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

  In terms of how good each player was at playing his sport, he’s easily comparable to Maradona or Pelé. Beckenbauer was blurbed & I’d never heard of him before his death. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 05:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Is notoriety really the thing you want to focus on here? While baseball is a sport with a deeply parochial region of interest, it's still a very big deal, and Mays was one of the biggest names within it, not just in his own day but throughout its history. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:15, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb. Mays's death is currently the lead story in the New York Times, and has been covered in depth by the BBC, the Guardian, and many other international publications. His significance was derived from baseball but extended well beyond it--the fact that a Black player, so soon after integration, was acknowledged as the best in the game was as hugely important. blameless 05:41, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Post-posting support He has a good argument for being the greatest baseball player ever. Blaylockjam10 (talk) 05:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Post-Posting Support. Clearly and obviously one of the most influential figures in baseball history - no doubt in the top 4 with Aaron, Robinson, and Ruth, in no order. The only of that group of three to die during the existence of ITN was Aaron, who was blurbed. I see know reason why Mays should not get a blurb. Baseball is substantially globally popular enough to justify us posting two deaths from its ranks as blurbs. DarkSide830 (talk) 05:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb third in career WAR, and everyone around him is either dead or a steroid user. Clearly the greatest baseball player of his generation. However, I don't understand why we were so quick to blurb Willie Mays yet just as quick to shut down Jerry West's blurb nomination, when basketball is the more popular and well-known sport globally. Jerry West might not have been in the top 3 players ever, but we didn't blurb Bill Russell either and he was. NorthernFalcon (talk) 06:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

  A key difference is the timing of the nomination. Jerry West's was posted at 14:04 UTC while this one was posted at 01:00. This time zone difference skews the demographic of the voters. And this is very much a voting process in which early momentum is decisive. Andrew🐉(talk) 06:47, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

  Yes Europe isn't awake. We just don't play baseball here, nobody has heard of this guy. Secretlondon (talk) 10:51, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

  I'm a Brit who barely follows sports over here, much less in the USA, and I'd heard of him despite him being about two generations older than me. His death is front-page news on the BBC. As I said below, I do think this process was rushed, but that's not the same as no-one having heard of one of the all-time most famous, successful, and acclaimed batters in the sport. GenevieveDEon (talk) 11:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

  Unless you live in the Netherlands, Italy, France, Spain, England, Czechia, etc. A player just made the majors after having played Euro ball as a prospect. It's absolutely played there. DarkSide830 (talk) 14:58, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

  I think you're underestimating just how much more dominant Willie Mays was in baseball than Jerry West was in basketball. According to basketball reference, there has been a total of 5209 players in NBA and ABA history. VORP and box plus-minus weren't calculated during West's time, so the closest comprehensive stat we have is win shares where West ranks 24th all time. On the other hand, there have been 23,235 Major league baseball players. Willie Mays ranks as the third greatest batter of all time according to bWAR and fWAR.  Bait30  ^{Talk 2 me pls?} 09:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Weak support blurb and oppose pull - but this was rushed. There's no need to sprint something like this. GenevieveDEon (talk) 08:49, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Post blurb support and Oppose pull Yes it was done quick, but the article is in good shape and he is a major figure within the sport so I would have supported the blurb had I seen before posting. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 09:11, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose Not an internationally known figure. I have no idea why this person is given a blurb and a photo. Secretlondon (talk) 10:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment And William Anders? ArionStar (talk) 13:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
  • Anders article shows very little impact or legacy outside being the photograph of the famous photo. One such accomplishment it not what leads to a great figure, which Mays' article has in spades. — Masem (t) 14:09, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Post blurb support An internationally-known sports figure. Not sure why there's supposed to be a penalty for being an American player. Does that mean we should ban Wikipedia (or the Internet) since both come from there as well? CoatCheck (talk) 14:32, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Pull blurb per Orbital. Also, I didn't like the way this was posted to main page with just about 10 vote when it is clear that death blurb are also contentious topics and should only be posted after a lengthy discussion. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:16, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Pull blurb, not internationally known, and the posting was extremely rushed. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Support pull, this should've only been featured in recent deaths. In the grand scheme of things, featuring sports ball athletes seems to be a waste of space. 68.118.253.248 (talk) 17:48, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose pull/let's all find something better to do. I really do not get why there is such strong opposition to posting blurbs for North American sports people (Howe, Russell, etc.). Can anyone say with a straight face those individuals were not major figures in their field? ~~ Jessintime (talk) 15:44, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Some people are so concerned with avoiding the appearance of Americentrism that they circle around into anti-Americanism as a whole. The Kip ^(contribs) 18:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

The result is basically a much lower notability bar for British public figures than for public figures from America (or other countries). Feels like there's some lingering desire to reclaim their status as #1 global cultural exporter. LocoTacoFever (talk) 18:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Post-support blurb and Oppose pull. Clearly a massive figure worthy of a blurb. BeanieFan11 (talk) 15:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Post blurb support, oppose pull. I'm generally anti-death blurb, and not a baseball fan, but Mays was one of the most legendary sporting figures of the 20th century - closer to a Kareem Abdul-Jabbar or a Maradona than to a Jerry West. LocoTacoFever (talk) 17:03, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

In all honesty, neither of those are a good metric for a DB either; the manner and direct impact of their deaths were not significant as events, unless they get like, assassinated, or something This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 21:01, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Post-support blurb – A reminder that WP:ITNATA applies and arguing that a figure is not important outside of their home country (which is not true for Mays, as baseball is played internationally) is to be avoided. SounderBruce 19:23, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

  It really isn't. Secretlondon (talk) 21:28, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Post-support blurb, per above logic and he's one of the last great baseball players from the 1950s-1960s generation of American sports heroes. Surprised and glad to see the quick support for Mays compared to the strange recent lack of support for one of the first three people in the history of humanity to escape Earth's gravity and go to the Moon! Randy Kryn (talk) 22:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

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(Closed) Blurb/RD: Noam Chomsky

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Article: Noam Chomsky (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  American philosopher and linguist Noam Chomsky (pictured) dies at the age of 95 (Post)
News source(s): New Statesman (retracted)
Credits:

• Nominated by Chaotic Enby (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:20, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• Comment There seems to be some conflicting reports that he died. There's no official confirmation (at least that I know) that he passed away. Should it be official, I'd 100% support blurb as he was highly influential and his article is good. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

The article at present does not state that he has died. I am seeing that at least one report that he has died has been published, and I know that he had a stroke a few days ago. But we can't blurb this (or even consider an RD) if our own article doesn't actually say that he died. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 19:26, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

The New Statesman is a generally reliable source. BD2412 T 19:31, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

The issue is more about there's no official confirmation of his passing. Some articles have jumped the boat without any reliable word of his passing. TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:33, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

I agree that The New Statesman is very unlikely to get this wrong. But if it's the only source reporting the death... I would be cautious, since this one would expect this sort of thing to be covered everywhere. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 19:45, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Along those lines, an ABC News journalist seems to be reporting that Chomsky has not yet died, per Chomsky's wife. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 20:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

For the record, I would support a blurb if he died. An absolute titan of the field of linguistics in a way that even helped to shape the modern field of computer science. And then there's also his political activism and political writings, which were influential in the West. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 19:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb if confirmed dead. A giant of an influence in multiple fields. BD2412 T 19:32, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb if true, extremely influential. Wait for confirmed confirmation before posting Sharrdx (talk) 19:35, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• Wait for confirmation -- I don't see any reports of his death besides the linked source. Support blurb if it's true. Estreyeria (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 19:40, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support blurb Unquestionably one of the most recognizable and influential intellectuals of the 20th/21st centuries. Thriley (talk) 19:43, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
• Comment update Statesman article was taken down. Sign that Chomsky might still be alive or a premature obit was published. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:56, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

  Yep, I saw this too. Probably best to close this until we know what happened with more certainty. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 19:57, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb Undoubtedly one of the greatest intellectuals of our time.--Kiril Simeonovski (talk) 20:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

If he really had died, it would have been in far more and better sources than New Statesman. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:46, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

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(Posted RD) Blurb/RD: Anouk Aimée

Article: Anouk Aimée (talk · history · tag)
Recent deaths nomination
Blurb:  French actress Anouk Aimée dies at the age of 92 (Post)
News source(s): The Guardian
Credits:

• Nominated by Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk · give credit)
• Updated by Sunuraju (talk · give credit), Johnkatz1972 (talk · give credit), FrenchFootball (talk · give credit), Normantas Bataitis (talk · give credit) and Alexcalamaro (talk · give credit)

Recent deaths of any person, animal or organism with a Wikipedia article are always presumed to be important enough to post (see this RFC and further discussion). Comments should focus on whether the quality of the article meets WP:ITNRD.

French film actress.Pharaoh of the Wizards (talk) 13:28, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose The article quality is not main-page worthy as of this comment. There are two uncited statements, one in Personal life, one ending in "critical and box-office disaster." The filmography needs citations as well. After those issues are patched up, we should be good to post. Bremps... 13:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support blurb. Seems similar case to Jean-Paul Belmondo who was blurbed — recipient of major honorary European Awards (Cesar and Berlin), famous in Europe. But unlike him, she had English speaking roles and had roles recently. Won Golden Globe, BAFTA, Cannes Award, was nominated for Oscar. Extemely famous in her heyday. Looks like a blurb to me. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose on quality Filmography is unsourced. Article also doesn't establish how influential she was or why she merits a blurb like Belmondo's article did. Support RD Article looks good now. Can't see how she warrants a blurb/not transformative enough. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 20:37, 21 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb old woman dies of old age This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:42, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose blurb – I think being a foremost actor in the 1960s alone is just not quite enough for a blurb. The article quality also isn't up there. If this had been a GA, maybe. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:43, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Support RD, Netural on Blurb She was/is quite a popular actress who had won a lot of big awards but would understand not posting it as an blurb. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 15:13, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose blurb, being popular and winning awards doesn't equate to being transformative in the field. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 15:26, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose blurb per all above. "Selected filomography" section needs some work. _-_Alsor (talk) 17:05, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support RD, I've referenced all the filmography section, I think the article is ready now. Alexcalamaro (talk) 15:58, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  @Bremps, @TDKR Chicago 101, @Orbitalbuzzsaw, @Maplestrip, @Chaotic Enby, @Alsoriano97 -- Marking ready for RD at least. Feel free to remove if you still think there are quality issues with the article. --Classicwiki (talk) If you reply here, please ping me. 20:33, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

  Support RD – Very nicely done, definitely good for RD now! ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:18, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

• Posted RD Stephen 11:33, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

(Posted) Legalization of same-sex marriage in Thailand

Article: Recognition of same-sex unions in Thailand (talk · history · tag)
Blurb: ​ Thailand's Senate passes a marriage equality bill that will legalize same-sex marriage in the country, becoming the first Southeast Asian nation to do so. (Post)
Alternative blurb: ​ Thailand becomes the first Southeast Asian nation to allow same-sex marriage.
Alternative blurb II: ​ Thailand's parliament passes a bill to recognise same-sex marriage.
News source(s): CNN
Credits:

• Nominated by Tofusaurus (talk · give credit)

Tofusaurus (talk) 10:52, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support Huge step for LGBT rights in SE Asia. Estreyeria (talk) 13:36, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Support Article quality is okay. I was going to vote "wait", but on second thought the news will probably be stale by then. Bremps... 13:38, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Support a very significant news regarding the LGBTQ+ community in Asia. PrinceofPunjab^TALK 14:08, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Based upon recent precedence, I have to repeat what I said last time in opposing. Its nothing new, countries have changed that law all the time. Its not like its some big breakthrough. The C of E God Save the King! (talk) 14:41, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

@The C of E I'd argue this is fairly different than the Greece case. Greece was in an area of the world (Europe) where same-sex marriage was already legal in many nearby countries. The only country anywhere near Thailand which has legalized same-sex marriage was Taiwan, which is a special case for many reasons. If you want to look at it from a population standpoint, Thailand has 6 times as many people as Greece, which means it has a larger population than the United Kingdom. I'd argue any country legalizing same-sex marriage with that large of a population is significant. DNVIC (talk) 15:00, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Legalising same sex marriage s is bigger story in Greece than in Thailand. BilboBeggins (talk) 17:23, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose Given ITN blurbs getting coverage for multiple days, I don't see this having nearly enough exposure and headline coverage to be considered for inclusion. Kcmastrpc (talk) 15:24, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support on notability and updated content in the article. This is the first country in Asia to pass such a law and the second or third to legalize (Taiwan and Nepal both did so through courts and legality in Nepal is incomplete)—a landmark event. And the article is well written and structured.~Malvoliox (talk | contribs) 16:48, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Support on notability, article looks sufficient. Yoblyblob (Talk) :) 16:58, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Support. It's the first in the region and as far as I can tell the first in Asia to happen fully via legislation, without judicial compulsion. It's unique and notable in that way. TheSavageNorwegian 16:59, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

I am fine with waiting for royal ascent btw, but waiting till the effective date may make it less of a news item. TheSavageNorwegian 21:57, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Support per above. LiamKorda 17:30, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Support It’s the first Asian country to do so legislatively without judicial prompting, and even though it’s the third Asian country to do so, it’s still relatively new for Asia compared to Europe. And it is the first Southeast Asian country to do so.-TenorTwelve (talk) 18:21, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Wait until royal assent is given. The bill has not yet been approved, though it is widely expected to gain approval from Thailand's king. Waiting would also allow something like Thailand legalizes same-sex marriage, becoming the first Southeast Asian country to do so to be out blurb; the current wording to shoehorn in the Thai Senate comes across as a bit awkward, but is necessary because same-sex marriage legislation has not yet received executive approval. — Red-tailed hawk _(nest) 19:18, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support When it becomes official. Apparently there's still some steps needed before it becomes 100% official. --TDKR Chicago 101 (talk) 19:25, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose. Nothing that is that surprising occured. BilboBeggins (talk) 20:22, 18 June 2024 (UTC)

Oppose there's a lot more countries that can and probably will legally recognise homosexual marriages and the last example wasn't posted either. Traumnovelle (talk) 04:21, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Support altblurb, wait until royal assent as per above. --MtPenguinMonster (talk) 04:34, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Support alt2 since the first two make it sound like it still needs to get through the lower house This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 04:46, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support alt1 once royal assent is given. Clearly significant for the whole region. GenevieveDEon (talk) 09:27, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support per above. Davey2116 (talk) 11:37, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Support on significance, but I too would suggest only blurbing this when the law actually comes into effect. This of course gives us more time to further improve the article too. It looks fine for the main page, but it can definitely be better. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 12:24, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. We aren't going to post every single country that does this.  — Amakuru (talk) 17:00, 19 June 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose do we really need to post every single instance of this? I understand doing it for Taiwan since they where the first Asian country to do so, but this is getting a little pedantic, next up we'll have "the first eastern southeastern Asian country to legalize same sex marriage" Scu ba (talk) 17:45, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

  If China somehow legalized same-sex marriage tomorrow, I think it would be bizarre to oppose it because Taiwan beat it to "first Asian country to legalize" status. Bremps... 19:20, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

  Though these articles get nominated fairly frequently, we rarely actually feature them. I don't think the "every single instance" argument works here, as no one is arguing we would/will also feature Laos/Vietnam/Cambodia/Myanmar/Bangladesh/Malaysia/Singapore when those make changes in their queer rights laws. This is a first in the region, and an influential country with an enormous population to boot. ~Maplestrip/Mable (chat) 08:14, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

Support Asia is a large continent, and very culturally diverse. You can argue Taiwan has already legalized it, and so this isn't notable, but Southeast Asia is a completely different and unique culture than East Asia, and Taiwan is an even weirder case within East Asia due to its relationship with China. For context, the distance between Taipei and Bangkok is 2500 km, approximately the same distance between London and Istanbul. The fact is, a country has legalized gay marriage without any other country within its cultural neighborhood legalizing it, which is very unprecedented, and thus notable. DNVIC (talk) 21:29, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

Question Could someone explain to me why it isn't merely notable on its own for a country to legalize gay marriage? It's **the** big-ticket gay rights law. We're not talking something more niche like banning gay panic defense, or allowing hospital visitation. It's the most newsworthy, landmark, queer event that can happen to a country, it's only ever going to happen once per country, and it makes the news each time it happens. TheSavageNorwegian 21:56, 19 June 2024 (UTC)

The consensus, with exceptions, has been that gay marriage legalization is newsworthy This post was made by orbitalbuzzsaw gang (talk) 07:25, 20 June 2024 (UTC)

• Support This has been huge news and is significant for the region of Southeast Asia. --Grnrchst (talk) 10:10, 20 June 2024 (UTC)
• Posted ALT2. There is consensus to post this. This would be even clearer if royal assent had been given yet, which some !voters specifically mentioned. Nonetheless, this is about to fall off this page and at ITN, it will the the oldest item (alongside Willie Mays), so will not be on the main page for long. Schwede66 03:13, 25 June 2024 (UTC)

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