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The result was keep. Consensus was for keep. (non-admin closure) Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:01, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

International reactions to the Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 shootdown

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Unimportant responses to a minor event. Fails WP: GNG. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) ^{may the force be with you} 21:28, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Passes WP:GNG. epic genius (talk) 21:47, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Don't agree was a minor event. It received significant coverage globally and had serious diplomatic consequences. Highly notable and information any credible encyclopaedia would include. AusLondonder (talk) 21:48, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - not a minor event, and WP:POINTY nomination per this. LjL (talk) 21:51, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not WP:POINTy, seeking to get a clear consensus about these articles and their concept, User:LjL. AusLondonder (talk) 21:53, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - long and involved coverage over months and months. Clearly notable. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:52, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep - passes GNG easily. International reactions to major international news events, especially by heads of state, are historically notable and encyclopedic content. —Мандичка^YO 😜 22:14, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Which criterion of Wikipedia:Speedy keep do you make this under? If not, your !vote should simply be a standard keep !vote. Stickee (talk) 00:35, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The voter has his right to express his vote in any form he likes especially since a reason is given. It is up to the closing admin or non-admin to decide if the closing is done based on speedy keep or not. WP:CONSENSUS. Optakeover ^(Talk) 10:44, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - Im not seeing any convincing argument for deletion. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:38, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
SNOW close please... this was not a minor event but a major diplomatic incident (as well as a massacre). For this reason the international response is very important. cf. the Paris example where we already know, more or less, what everyone is going to say. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:39, 15 November 2015 (UTC).[reply]
Keep' I agree with the above, can this really be considered a minor event? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:45, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Knowledgekid87: erm, you already !voted above... LjL (talk) 23:49, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, thanks for that. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:51, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I previously wrote an essay at Wikipedia:Reactions to... articles aka WP:REACTIONS that describes some of the issues with these "International reactions" articles and lists some of the previous outcomes of debates around them. It is not intended as a guideline, but more a reflection of how editors have dealt with such articles before. That said, editors may be interested in extending the essay or working it into a guideline - perhaps a supplement to WP:EVENT. Fences&Windows 00:54, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I think you were looking for Template:Merge, but... Edit: this was started because another page had been nominated for deletion; the difference was that it was probably nominated while still new and short. This article is of questionable value when it doesn't even mention the recordings and transcripts released by Ukraine in a large number of languages, in "reaction" to the crash. Still, actually merging is too much work, so keep 2601:600:8500:5B1:D41B:E837:1128:2F01 (talk) 19:48, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Responses to an event don't become notable because the event was. Indiscriminate information: a collection of (predictable) response which are run-of-the-mill for such events, where the only rationale for inclusion is verifiability--in other words, everything that made it to a newspaper or website is suitable for inclusion. Drmies (talk) 02:00, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep – I've voted delete for the US presidental election and Norwegian attack 'international reaction' pages, but for this particular one I think there is some encyclopedic value – in particular, the fact that it lists many countries responses, the help they sent, the actions they called on the UN to take, etc. – that's encyclopedic enough for me, as it supports the main topic. (cf. the two I voted delete for, which were just a long list of inconsequential diplomatic quotations which did nothing to build on the main topic) Aspirex (talk) 04:53, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- I looked, but I couldn't find it (I did see that someone "deeply condoled the crash"). If there's something there, why couldn't it be moved to the relevant section of the main article? Also, why would it become a better topic if more countries are listed? I'm sure every one of these events could in principle have as many entries as there are countries in the world. Drmies (talk) 01:22, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - Which is a total of slightly more than 200, nothing too tragic. LjL (talk) 01:29, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep - With this article, Malaysia Flight 17 was a major accident which is far from a 'minor accident'. A minor accident would be a scratch or something, but loosing an aircraft with all lives aboard is a major accident and it certainly passes WP:GNG, international responses is a fair topic to cover on Wikipedia especially after major tragic events, there is no reason for the AFD and a WP:SNOW. Adog104 ^{Talk to me} 20:14, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - countries commenting on international incidents is fairly standard diplomatic stuff mostly with no relevance to the acutal events but just polite behaviour, this was created to keep this non-relevant stuff out of the main article and is probably time to ditch it as not notable. MilborneOne (talk) 12:36, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy keep. Are you kidding me, nominator? MH17 is a very notable event as an air crash that has received extensive media coverage, and one which was highly controversial. Definitely passes WP:GNG. Also, this page is definitely required for list of international reactions, a lengthy article to prevent the already-lengthy MH17 page from becoming longer. Optakeover ^(Talk) 17:01, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment just to note that notability is not inherited and what is a load of dross dropped from the main article doesnt make this notable. Also it is highly unlikely that this political polite stuff would ever make it back into the main article. MilborneOne (talk) 17:33, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Since this article relates to the subject that is talked about in the main article, that is to me where the notability lies. And your second point is a good point; that's why speedy keep. Optakeover ^(Talk) 19:36, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep I'm afraid the force is not strong in this one, Obi-Wan. WP:GNG in its own right is easily met. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 10:11, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:15, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

International reactions to the war in Donbass

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So many excessive quotes, many from unimportant countries (in relation to the war) is very unencyclopedic. Notability for a great many of these quotes is highly questionable. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) ^{may the force be with you} 21:27, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Passes WP:GNG. epic genius (talk) 21:47, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - WP:POINTY nomination per this. LjL (talk) 21:52, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not WP:POINTy, the notability is questioned by an editor as is the concept and content of these articles. It is right to seek community consensus rather than over-riding it and butchering articles in an underhand manner without consensus. AusLondonder (talk) 22:12, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep - passes GNG easily. International reactions to wars and crises, especially by heads of state, are historically notable and encyclopedic content. —Мандичка^YO 😜 22:14, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A major world event with significant diplomatic consequences. What is an "important" country, User:Kenobi5487? Could you name them? AusLondonder (talk) 22:20, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep A war is a major event, notability also isn't temporary. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:41, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I previously wrote an essay at Wikipedia:Reactions to... articles aka WP:REACTIONS that describes some of the issues with these "International reactions" articles and lists some of the previous outcomes of debates around them. It is not intended as a guideline, but more a reflection of how editors have dealt with such articles before. That said, editors may be interested in extending the essay or working it into a guideline - perhaps a supplement to WP:EVENT. Fences&Windows 00:47, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Let me get this straight: I had no idea we had this many such articles. What is the rationale? Do you realize that this means that every single historical event now gets an "Reactions to..." event? and if you manage to get enough quotes together, you can have a "Reactions to..." every single hit record. Or TV show. There are no criteria for inclusion in such articles, except for "it's verified"--in other words, it's indiscriminate. Drmies (talk) 02:02, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User:Drmies, Comparing a war with significant diplomatic consequences to a television programme is unbecoming as is suggesting a "hit record" is a "historical event". AusLondonder (talk) 05:18, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not comparing the events, only the indiscriminate nature of the responses to the events. And I'm not the one comparing hit records to historical events: if you compare the amount of space devoted to one- (or two-) hit wonders (and their singles, and their discographies, and their List of Awards, and their List of Compositions) to the space devoted to truly meaningful persons and events on a grander scale, the scale of history, you'll see that Wikipedia's recentism and pop culture are responsible for trivializing the historical events. Drmies (talk) 05:30, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I tend to agree with you, Drmies. Indeed, the main reason why this article was created was to get these endless and rather pointless quotes out of the main War in Donbass article, which had become bloated with them. RGloucester — ☎ 18:52, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to 2013 North Korean nuclear test. Sam Walton (talk) 00:07, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

International reactions to the 2013 North Korean nuclear test

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Article is merely a list of quotes from politicians with little result on a minor event. Fail notability guidelines. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) ^{may the force be with you} 21:24, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Merge. May or may not pass WP:GNG, but reactions to stuff like this is generally of little impact, since this wasn't really something that elicited great emotion. NK nuke tests happen often, unfortunately. epic genius (talk) 21:47, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - WP:POINTY nomination per this. LjL (talk) 21:49, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not WP:POINTy, the notability is questioned by an editor as is the concept and content of these articles. It is right to seek community consensus rather than over-riding it and butchering articles in an underhand manner without consensus. AusLondonder (talk) 22:13, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Merge In this particular case, this one is part of an ongoing issue with North Korea, and nuclear weapons. Merge this one with 2013 North Korean nuclear test. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:49, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I previously wrote an essay at Wikipedia:Reactions to... articles aka WP:REACTIONS that describes some of the issues with these "International reactions" articles and lists some of the previous outcomes of debates around them. It is not intended as a guideline, but more a reflection of how editors have dealt with such articles before. That said, editors may be interested in extending the essay or working it into a guideline - perhaps a supplement to WP:EVENT. Fences&Windows 00:47, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, no need for a stand alone article on that. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:07, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, it might be the last one since a later one was cancelled. If they're routine, they're not important 2601:600:8500:5B1:D41B:E837:1128:2F01 (talk) 19:13, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Merge, this is little more than a thesaurus entry for "strongly condemned". Can easily be compiled into a single paragraph in 2013 North Korean nuclear test which details any specific actions stronger or more formal than voicing strong condemnation and summarising the rest into a blanket condemnation; breaking it out into individual similar quotes is adding no value. Aspirex (talk) 05:01, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge/Redirect with 2013 North Korean nuclear test, per epic genius and Aspirex.--Ddcm8991 (talk) 17:55, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. There is a consensus to either keep or merge, but there are fairly strong arguments that the content of the article is too extensive to be merged into anything. That being said, I'm closing this with no prejudice against a merge discussion taking place in the near future, if any editor believes that that's the best solution. (non-admin closure) Kharkiv07 (T) 20:12, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

International reactions to the United States presidential election, 2012

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International reactions to a US-specific event are likely of questionable notability at best. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) ^{may the force be with you} 21:22, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to United States presidential election, 2012. Might or might not WP:GNG, but this should be chopped down since this gives undue weight to other countries. Most of this is irrelevant anyway. epic genius (talk) 21:48, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I previously wrote an essay at Wikipedia:Reactions to... articles aka WP:REACTIONS that describes some of the issues with these "International reactions" articles and lists some of the previous outcomes of debates around them. It is not intended as a guideline, but more a reflection of how editors have dealt with such articles before. That said, editors may be interested in extending the essay or working it into a guideline - perhaps a supplement to WP:EVENT. Fences&Windows 00:54, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. It doesn't exist in any other languages, but it's long and would take too much work to merge. 2601:600:8500:5B1:D41B:E837:1128:2F01 (talk) 19:00, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – there is nothing encyclopedic here. It's just a grab-bag of guarded, tactful diplomatic statements made at the time by a wide range of political leaders (which doesn't necessarily reflect their actual working relationship with Obama during his subsequent tenure as president); and the stated views of various media organisations whose various preferences and biases will dictate their view anyway. There's no analysis or summary of the topic. This is just a very long and very boring wikiquote page. Aspirex (talk) 21:42, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Keep or Merge - One could argue that the responses by notable heads of states to a notable event are notable (especially when it concerns the most notable head of state on the planet), but that said, the article is a considerably long list at this point. I would love to see this kept or at least condensed/merged, but not outright deleted all together. GabeIglesia (talk) 00:36, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I was tempted by the merge option until I saw the article. Too lengthy to effectively fit in elsewhere, however it contains good info which will no doubt eventually be removed from publications and servers over time, it's useful and nice that it's somewhat concisely(!) summarised here. Rayman60 (talk) 00:54, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. "International reactions to..." is an established article type, the subject is important enough to be worth it, and the material is clearly sufficiently extensive that a split is appropriate--perhaps even necessary. DGG ( talk ) 04:51, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) —UY Scuti ^Talk 19:54, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

International reaction to the 2009 Honduran coup d'état

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Notability of the International reactions to this relativley minor event is questionable at best. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) ^{may the force be with you} 21:21, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to main article. Considering the content of this article, ~~which comprises mainly communist countries saying that participants to go to prison and republics saying otherwise,~~ this fails WP:GNG. If this was violent, that's another matter. epic genius (talk) 21:53, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User:Epicgenius Just a tip... AusLondonder (talk) 22:19, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

~~Tip about what? epic genius (talk) 22:21, 15 November 2015 (UTC)~~ Oh, I get it. epic genius (talk) 22:21, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

User:Epicgenius ;) AusLondonder (talk) 22:47, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I previously wrote an essay at Wikipedia:Reactions to... articles aka WP:REACTIONS that describes some of the issues with these "International reactions" articles and lists some of the previous outcomes of debates around them. It is not intended as a guideline, but more a reflection of how editors have dealt with such articles before. That said, editors may be interested in extending the essay or working it into a guideline - perhaps a supplement to WP:EVENT. Fences&Windows 00:52, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Comparing it to another recent 'coup', it seems more controversial and therefore deserving of more information, which is better contained in a separate article. 2601:600:8500:5B1:D41B:E837:1128:2F01 (talk) 16:21, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. This is a similar sort of article to International recognition of Kosovo or other countries, as it details the formal diplomatic position of different countries, and that I'd say is certainly encyclopedic. (I can't help but wonder whether this article is out of date, though; it lists everyone's reactions in 2009 but doesn't seem to follow through to reaction to future events. Probably needs a bit of work to improve). Aspirex (talk) 04:58, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Responses to a historically notable and encyclopaedic incident. AusLondonder (talk) 05:14, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This is a list-type article, and as such, will probably never be among the best articles on Wikipedia. However, the event was unquestionably notable enough that even the diplomatic waves it produced were themselves notable. As long as everything in this article is well-sourced, it's a keeper. Homunq (࿓) 12:37, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: Per other "Keep" arguments above. Satisfies WP:GNG. --Ddcm8991 (talk) 18:17, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Sam Walton (talk) 00:06, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

International reactions to 2008 Tibetan unrest

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Notability in question. A merge with the main article dicussing important countries would likely be the best solution. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) ^{may the force be with you} 21:19, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to main article. Considering the content of this article, ~~which comprises mainly communist countries saying that participants to go to prison and republics saying otherwise, this fails WP:GNG.~~ Other countries' participation is limited to condemning or praising the protests. epic genius (talk) 21:54, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

With respect, much of what you have written is wrong User:Epicgenius. For example most countries supporting China such as Fiji, Pakistan, Russia, Serbia and Singapore are not communist. In addition, all communist countries are republics, such as the People's Republic of China or Socialist Republic of Vietnam. Many countries criticising China, such as Australia, Canada, Japan, Netherlands, New Zealand, Sweden, Thailand and the United Kingdom aren't republics but monarchies. Just because the US is a capitalist republic does not mean that is how the world works. AusLondonder (talk) 22:07, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I meant that it depends on which types of leadership it is. However, some of the most prominent opponents of the unrest are dictatorships/communist countries/juntas, of the type that also do internet censorship of things they don't like. epic genius (talk) 22:10, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Communism does not = dictatorship and dictatorship does not = communism. Pinochet was very much a capitalist dictator while Hugo Chávez was a democratic communist. Additionally, republics can be dictatorships eg China or Syria while monarchies can be democratic such as Australia, the Netherlands or the UK. AusLondonder (talk) 22:16, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I realize that. Some communist democrats or capitalist dictators may very well support the freedom to have unrest. I'm just commenting on the most common countries that criticize it. epic genius (talk) 22:19, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment What countries are "important" that would be discussed in the main article in the event of a merger, user:Kenobi5487 AusLondonder (talk) 22:09, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - passes GNG and is of historically notable and encyclopedic content. —Мандичка^YO 😜 22:17, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I previously wrote an essay at Wikipedia:Reactions to... articles aka WP:REACTIONS that describes some of the issues with these "International reactions" articles and lists some of the previous outcomes of debates around them. It is not intended as a guideline, but more a reflection of how editors have dealt with such articles before. That said, editors may be interested in extending the essay or working it into a guideline - perhaps a supplement to WP:EVENT. Fences&Windows 00:53, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notable reactions to a major incident, especially in the lead-up to the 2008 Olympics. Important encyclopaedic content. AusLondonder (talk) 17:00, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: I deem the nomination WP:POINTY per this, the subject is notable, and the reactions sourced. LjL (talk) 17:07, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per AusLondonder, —Мандичка, and Shawn in Montreal. Easily satisfies WP:GNG.--Ddcm8991 (talk) 18:06, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not me! I didn't cast a !vote. Just listed it. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 18:13, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Shorten and merge into 2008 Tibetan unrest - A POV fork as per WP:POVSPLIT. STSC (talk) 03:34, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can you elaborate on what makes this a POV fork, as opposed to a simple WP:SPINOUT? LjL (talk) 15:49, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just give you one example, the article has a whole section for that Tibetan guy from CTA talking about beating up people is not violence. And then there is extensive content on pro-Tibetan protests. The overall undertone of the article is very much pro-Tibetan; the article is clearly a POV fork. STSC (talk) 16:26, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Notable and well sourced Lipsquid (talk) 19:41, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) DavidLeighEllis (talk) 00:00, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reactions to the September 11 attacks

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Questionable notability. Possibly better to merge with main article. Obi-Wan Kenobi (talk) ^{may the force be with you} 21:17, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy keep - the notability is far from questionable, and merging is a matter of a merging discussion, not an AfD (although I probably wouldn't merge, due to length). I note also that this was an arguably WP:POINTY nomination, see this. LjL (talk) 21:40, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You have criticised the concept of these articles now are !voting speedy keep. You're a wonder. AusLondonder (talk) 21:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Clearly notable responses to a major world event. Meets WP:GNG. AusLondonder (talk) 21:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:GNG. epic genius (talk) 21:45, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep - passes GNG easily. International reactions to major international events, especially by heads of state, are historically notable and encyclopedic content. —Мандичка^YO 😜 22:12, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Snow Keep' - I have a hard time believing on the nominators part that they did any research. There are numerous books dealing with the reaction to 9/11. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:30, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Books include:[1], [2], should I go on? - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 23:32, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy keep A series of WP:POINTy noms with zero WP:BEFORE done at all by the nom. Nate • (chatter) 00:46, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. I previously wrote an essay at Wikipedia:Reactions to... articles aka WP:REACTIONS that describes some of the issues with these "International reactions" articles and lists some of the previous outcomes of debates around them. It is not intended as a guideline, but more a reflection of how editors have dealt with such articles before. That said, editors may be interested in extending the essay or working it into a guideline - perhaps a supplement to WP:EVENT. Fences&Windows 00:52, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment As evidenced by the essay linked above, deletion discussions on this and similar topics have the potential for proper debate free of precedent and prejudice. However, in this case I think neither side has done much research. The nominator, Kenobi5487, wants us to believe this should be merged with "the main article" without specifying what article he means (is it September 11 attacks, or Aftermath of the September 11 attacks?). The sources provided by Knowledgekid87 (which are not cited in the article) seem to deal with the institutional and military response that is discussed in an entirely other article: Aftermath of the September 11 attacks. One more thing, and something Fences and windows' essay should address, is that reactions like this seldom have a WP:LASTING effect. Case in point is the condolences presented by Saddam Hussein of Iraq as documented (~~though unsourced~~) in the nominated article. The legacy of these and other condolences are generally overshadowed by the more tangible aftermath of events. Finnusertop (talk | guestbook | contribs) 02:20, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Or conversely, one could say that because of the specific aftermath there, Hussein's condolences are all the more interesting. LjL (talk) 13:36, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Major world history event with notable world leaders reactions.--MONGO 04:19, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy snow keep per EpicGenius, AusLondonder, and Wikimandia. 198.108.244.195 (talk) 13:19, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep September 11 attacks? Yeah, I think I've heard of them. FFS. Lugnuts ^{Dick Laurent is dead} 13:41, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Responses to an event don't become notable because the event was. Indiscriminate information: a collection of (predictable) response which are run-of-the-mill for such events, where the only rationale for inclusion is verifiability--in other words, everything that made it to a newspaper or website is suitable for inclusion. Drmies (talk) 02:00, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

They don't automatically become non-notable either, though. Which part of WP:Notability do they fail (especially reactions to 9/11, though the question could hold for reactions to less notable events)? The specific WP:Indiscriminate section doesn't seem to provide an example that applies, and on the entire lengthy page, I'm not finding one really suitable "what Wikipedia is not" for it, when looking at their provided explanations. WP:NOTQUOTE is the only thing I see that remotely applies, and only when reactions are excessively given in the form of quotations. LjL (talk) 02:16, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand why it's of any value at all to document that President X of country Y said that the events of 9/11 were ... well, fill in the blank. Responses come in two flavors: "responses" in terms of military action and political decisions, and those are of course relevant. The other "response", the verbal response, comes in two kinds--words of support, anger, sympathy, and such, and the rare support for the terrorist attack. I don't see why those words, which in the end really don't mean very much, should have an article devoted to them. As far as I'm concerned, that's common sense.

Not everything that can be verified is worth writing about, and a slavish dependence on "it's verified" means, in the end, the death of editorial discretion and common sense. Moreover, it steers us toward content that's severely slanted to what "the media" think is worthwhile repeating--which is typically that which happens in the developed world with a 24/7 news cycle and people who are very much like the typical en-Wikipedia contributor. That is, if all we go by is newspaper and website reports, which is what we're doing in articles like this one, a suicide attack in Lebanon is much less important than a suicide attack in Paris. Guess what, a comparison of the sizes of November 2015 Paris attacks (over 100k) and 2015 Beirut bombings (17k) bears that out, and more than half of the Beirut article actually consists of "responses". I mean, if that isn't a representational kind of bias I don't know what is: we're clearly suggesting that the one is more important than the other. We're not the news; we should take the longer view, and that's why we should not devote our time and energy to articles like this one. Drmies (talk) 05:43, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep - the reactions from this tragic event was a major event with widespread coverage and in today's society. It easily passes WP:GNG and this is a an extreme WP:SNOW. Adog104 ^{Talk to me} 20:10, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Agree Wholeheartedly Human nature wants to know 'who's for us' and 'who's against us.' Bias against, in this case, Muslims rears its ugly head especially when provoked. In a better world, this page wouldn't be necessary, 14 years later. In a better world 9/11 would have no meaning. We are not living in a better world. A great research tool. Where else is someone going to find this information next year, or decades from now? World reaction to the 11/13 Paris attacks should end this discussion. RaqiwasSushi (talk) 21:05, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Also, when the nominator says "Questionable notability. Possibly better to merge with main article," literally all they had to do in the first place was ask that on the talk page. It's that simple rather than AFD'ing multiple articles questioning notability even though they pass WP:GNG and are very much a WP:SNOW case. They've been AFD'ed in the past as well with a large volume for keep and if people can remember an event from any amount of years ago, then its pretty notable especially when there is high casualties involved. Besides reactions like these aren't like memoirs of famous dead people, they're unique and offer help and security from supporting organizations and nations. Honestly I would be very happy if other nations recognized what has just happened to you, and offer to help fight whatever caused it. Just remember before nominating an article for AFD, just think as see what can be changed and ask questions if needed. Adog104 ^{Talk to me} 01:51, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy Keep Didn't even need to think about it (much). General Ization ^Talk 02:29, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
SpK. 9/11. 'nuff said. Also, list page needed to prevent an already extensive September 11 page from being even longer. Optakeover ^(Talk) 17:07, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Obvious keep -- the 9-11 attack was such a momentous event that it is entirely right to have multiple articles on it, including this one. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:12, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 20:22, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Christian Bono

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seems to fail WP:ANYBIO thanks in part to all of the "Citations" failing WP:RS Chris Troutman (talk) 21:15, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No clear statements of notability.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:07, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Serious issues. Fails notability, very nonsensical - doesn't flow, littered with errors. Perhaps written in good faith but it still seems like delete is the only option. Rayman60 (talk) 20:32, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: A very questionable biography. WP:BLP is being violated here too. Ceosad (talk) 21:58, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: I think he does not have the notability criteria.--Seyyed(t-c) 09:55, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. joe decker ^talk 18:41, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Manoj Singh

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No indication of importance. No pertinent references. Promotional tone. Nick Number (talk) 21:09, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Non-notable, lacks NPOV, lacks references/sources - Ne ll is 21:26, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per above.– Gilliam (talk) 02:28, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: horrendous article. Fails for so many reasons. Doesn't make sense. Very poorly written. No sources. No notability. Has existed for 5 years and has only just been changed from an ever worse offering. Rayman60 (talk) 01:14, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - while the search engines show there appear to be several people of this name who have received coverage. None appear to be the subject of this article. Fails WP:NACTOR and WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:09, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. With no debate in 14 days, there is not likely to be much if relisted again. WP:NPASR (non-admin closure) — Jkudlick ^tc_s 04:50, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Taktici

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fails WP:NBAND Chris Troutman (talk) 21:04, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Easily fulfills WP:NBAND in multiple points:

Criteria for musicians and ensembles:

1) "...subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works..."

zivot.cas.sk
pluska.sk
many more in printed media and elsewhere

9) won 2005 Slávik Awards

10) recorded for movie Smoliari

12) a documentary by RTVS (official trailer available at YouTube)

Criteria for composers and lyricists:

1) Their song "10 dkg Tresky" was recorded by Elán (band)

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Keep - The band is notable per Allmusic, Discogs as well local IFPI chart positions. The original editor should update the article with further references, though. MiewEN (talk) 16:33, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete and have some familiar Slovak attention as this may have better archived sources. SwisterTwister talk 05:27, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep This (http://spectator.sme.sk/c/20026952/elan-and-taktici-to-rock-the-castle.html) appears to be notable enough. Munci (talk) 10:00, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. joe decker ^talk 18:41, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Big Hoodoo

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fails WP:NMUSIC Chris Troutman (talk) 20:50, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Clearly not notable at this time. SwisterTwister talk 06:24, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Faygoluvers doesn't look like a reliable source to me. This article is also substantiated by this source as well. I don't think either article related to the Big Hoodoo is notable and not finding anything to back them up through search. Tangledupinbleu chs (talk) 04:53, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - searches turned up nothing but mentions. I agree with Tangledupinbleu chs that Faygoluvers does not appear to be a reliable site - looks like the info there is posted by "members", and there is no editorial process listed which I can find. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:13, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:34, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Very Best of Kiwi Country

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I know is Unreferenced for 9 years, compilation album with no AllMusic entry and also i looked up on the web but i couldn't any significant notability on the album. Angry Bald English Villian Man Chat 20:45, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I'm happy to reconsider if anyone can find any references or evidence of notability, but currently the article has neither. - SimonP (talk) 21:58, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. joe decker ^talk 18:41, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Everyone (play)

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This play was only performed in one outdoor theatre for some portion of their season. The references are all routine mentions in the media resulting from the company promoting themselves. That includes the Globe and Mail mention, which is actually written about the company not the play as the subject of the article. Legacypac (talk) 20:23, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Not notable. 2601:C7:C202:F320:D034:B4C2:7BBA:F5D8 (talk) 21:26, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Per nom. Coverage not significant. AusLondonder (talk) 21:57, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - It looks like we have only a narrow amount of news coverage... over something that doesn't appear to be notable in concept either. It's not like we have some kind of dramatic piece that's likely to be significantly repeated here. To be frank, even the name of the play is painfully generic to the point that it makes things difficult to search for more information on it. I would just delete the article. CoffeeWithMarkets (talk) 01:14, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. Consensus is based on the validity of arguments not voting. Early votes for deletion shows a lack of due diligence in source searching. The rationale for the AfD has been lack of notability due to lack of sources. Now that sources have been provided the rationale for deletion is invalid. Valoem ^talk ^contrib 10:54, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hildy Brooks

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WP:BLP of an actor, sourced entirely to unreliable sources like IMDb, tv.com and a WordPress blog. While there is enough substance here to suggest that she would be keepable if the article were sourced properly, WP:NACTOR does not grant any actor an entitlement to keep an article that's this poorly and unreliably sourced. Delete, without prejudice against future recreation of a new version that's based on proper reliable source coverage. Bearcat (talk) 19:33, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - unable to find any reliable sources that do more than mention her in passing. Thparkth (talk) 22:02, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as non-notable. The creator was unaware of WP:RS criteria and didn't know that self-published sources aren't accepted. --Drm310 (talk) 20:57, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as my searches found links at Books, browsers and Highbeam but nothing obviously better. SwisterTwister talk 06:11, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - she's a working actress, God bless her, but not a notable one. She had the lead in a 1971 film, A Fable, but that was not a notable film. She had a significant role in 1973's The Iceman Cometh (reprising her role in the earlier TV version), and that was clearly a notable film. She also had a role in Islands in the Stream, which appears to be significant. She had a lead role in Actor, but that was a tv film of questionable notability. Another significant role in The Color of Evening, but that also is a film of questionable notability. In my opinion, she just barely misses WP:NACTOR, and searches did not return enough in-depth coverage to show they meet WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:36, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per the significant coverage in reliable sources.
1. Ryan, Ann L. (1997-02-26). "'Rabbi' Looks at Faith, Tolerance". Albuquerque Journal. Archived from the original on 2015-11-28. Retrieved 2015-11-28.
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  The line is from Hildy Brooks' play "The Day the Rabbi Lied." The thought is from the Talmud.
  ...Brooks' one-woman show is the story of a woman named Sippie, an actress in Los Angeles who has been called in to substitute-teach a class on Jewish Spirituality -- this one about the ritual of lighting Sabbath candles.
  ...
  Brooks (and her character, Sippie) became interested in studying Judaism after accepting the role of a Hasidic rabbi's wife in a movie. Mere research became something more, including a search for her father, a man who kept his faith private -- even from his own family.
  Brooks performance is matter-of-fact: She's a smart actress, and so she allows the emotion to come from the story she is telling, and she doesn't push it. In fact, she becomes less dramatic in appearance as the show progresses -- she makes her entrance in heels, a swingy, short skirt and a to-die-for patterned velvet jacket, then changes into a long skirt, flats and a head scarf -- what an Orthodox Jewish woman would wear for modesty's sake.
2. Quintana, Hugo (2003-02-24). "Cartas en la distancia". La Opinión. Archived from the original on 2015-11-28. Retrieved 2015-11-28.
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  A veces en teatro lo que importa no son tanto las palabras, sino esos mágicos momentos de vida que se pueden crear en escena, y Reunion in Praguetiene muchos de ellos, elaborados con transparencia por el director Jack Betts y los actores Hildy Brooks y Jim Antonio.
  ...
  Hildy Brooks merece especial atención no sólo por su valorable interpretación, sino porque es la autora de la obra y a la vez es ella la misma actriz cuya vida se replantea en el paso de su correspondencia a la escena.
  Su labor, sustentada por la ternura que transita a través de todo el texto, choca a veces con el dilema —para un actor— de representarse a sí mismo, y si bien se la ve por momentos actuar sólo con desenvoltura, como en casa, es capaz de lograr hondura emocional en los mejores momentos de la pieza, convirtiéndolos en escenas clave.
3. "Brooks, Husband Work Together on Play". Plainview Daily Herald. Associated Press. 2003-02-17. Archived from the original on 2015-11-28. Retrieved 2015-11-28.
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  Actress Hildy Brooks and her husband-actor, Jim Antonio, have put a new twist on art imitating life.
  Antonio is playing the part of Brooks' one-time lover, Czech sculptor Olbram Zoubek, in her play about their decades-long, long-distance relationship.
  ...
  Brooks wrote the one act "Reunion in Prague," about her brief 1967 meeting in Prague with Zoubek while she was on a movie shoot in his sculpture garden, and their ensuing 25-year relationship. Over the years they exchanged romantic letters and artwork as they shared their views on art and philosophy in a relationship that spanned America's politically turbulent 1960s and the rise and fall of communism in the former Czechoslovakia.
  Antonio knew about the relationship and even encouraged his wife to return to Prague to catch up in person with Zoubek. Brooks described the brief reunion as disappointing in her play.
4. Kleiner, Dick (1965-01-20). "Show Beat: And now it's the mayor". Redlands Daily Facts. p. 18. Archived from the original on 2015-11-28. Retrieved 2015-11-28 – via Newspapers.com.
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  Mrs. Christides will be played by Hildy Brooks. At least that's her name now. It used to be Hilda Brawner, and under that name she did good things off-Broadway and on New York television. It seems that her old name has much more character than the new name, but that's the nomenclature business.
5. "Satire Is Topic for New Group". San Mateo Times. 1963-03-27. p. 31. Archived from the original on 2015-11-28. Retrieved 2015-11-28 – via Newspapers.com.
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  Hilda Brawner, in addition to performing on Broadway in Sweet Bird of Youth, was featured in a dozen television shows including Armstrong Theatre, Naked City, The Defenders; member of The Compass Players, Chicago.
6. "The Subject Was Roses play". Lebanon Daily News. 1965-05-01. p. 17. Archived from the original on 2015-11-28. Retrieved 2015-11-28 – via Newspapers.com.
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  James Antonio of Othello and actress Hilda Brawner (wed at City Hall last week) must shorten the honeymoon. She has a London contract.
7. Langley, Frank (1963-06-07). "TV Breeds No Stars". The Decatur Herald. p. 34. Archived from the original on 2015-11-28. Retrieved 2015-11-28 – via Newspapers.com.
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  The potential stars of television are seen again and again. They pop up in a nurse's uniform on one show and perhaps an hour later as a fallen female in a murder mystery. Their image becomes confused with the multiple roles they play, and the audience soon accepts the mass actors and actresses--but never stars.
  Hilda Brawner is a name largely unknown in television. Yet this talented young lady has been starred in such shows as the DuPont Show of the Week, The Defenders, Naked City and a dozen others. When I ask her how it feels to be a TV star, she remarked, "I'll let you know when I become one. And that won't be through TV."
There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow Hildy Brooks to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".
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Keep due to the sources discovered by Cunard. Well done. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 07:05, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep with grateful thanks to Cunard for hie true due diligence showing (since the earlier delete !votes were made) that the topic meets WP:BASIC. Well done. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 07:09, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Protests against a hike in electricity rates (Armenia). (non-admin closure) –Davey2010^Talk 19:01, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

2015 Armenian anti-government protests

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Incoherent and appears to contradict itself. Personally, I could not understand a phrase in the article. Alexandru M. (talk) 18:45, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge to Protests against a hike in electricity rates (Armenia). 178.94.166.186 (talk) 17:43, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge - At least the parts that make any sense at all. Ceosad (talk) 22:01, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 02:03, 4 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Princess Şehime

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Could find no sources that indicate this person existed. NeilN ^{talk to me} 18:38, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

She existed look here under Cemile Sultans descendant:

https://archive.org/stream/GenealogyOfTheImperialOttomanFamily2005#page/n13/mode/2up — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nalanidil (talk • contribs) 22:08, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not a reliable source: "This genealogical study is the first publication of our family association, HANEDAN..." --NeilN ^{talk to me} 22:24, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

*Keep and tag for sourcing. Her son, Sen Sahir Silan, wrote a memoir, I Do Not Regret, Vantage (2005). Moreover that striking house on the Bosporus exists, it is always called by her name. She's real. And notable (for her association with that landmark house - if nothing else). Just needs sourcing. User:NeilN try searching on google books (look at this:[3] ; bountiful sources available.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:39, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

My error, I conflated her with her grandmother. I do admire that house, every time I go past.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:43, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Whoa Not my error at all. Somehow, the two separate AFDs, grandmother and grandaughter, are linked to this single discussion. When they are untangled, my comment is re: Cemile Sultan, an AFD that Nom may want to withdraw after reading it.E.M.Gregory (talk) 14:51, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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E.M.Gregory, I don't know what the editor is thinking, but their actions are annoying. I have removed the invalid AFD notice. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 17:45, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete -- She strike me as being completely NN, except that she was an Ottoman princess. The content of the article is merely a list of NN descendants. There may well be a place for such a list on a genealogical website, but it does not belong in WP: utterly non-encyclopaedic. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:12, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: My searches in Turkish yielded no results and the only existing source appears to be that archived genealogy. Also I'm not sure whether this was brought up or not, but a duplicate article, Şehime, was created after Princess Şehime's AfD nomination. Myxomatosis57 (talk) 22:59, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Procedural close, as this has already been redirected to The Challenge (TV series). That said, this is really not a great redirect (28th Season of what now?), and might be deleted at RFD if someone sends it there. UltraExactZZ ^Said~ Did 14:31, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Season 28 TBD

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Looks like a duplicate article, The Challenge: Rivals III, was created by another user, shortly AFTER this one was created. This article was to remain as TBD until a valid source for MTV's 28th season of The Challenge became available. DPH1110 (talk) 18:38, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was nomination withdrawn due to sourcing improvement and a stronger notability claim. Bearcat (talk) 19:24, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bridge 11

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Completely unsourced article about a bridge, which makes no real assertion of notability — as written, it just asserts that the structure exists. Thousands upon thousands of other bridges exist in the world without being notable enough to warrant encyclopedias about them — while "more notable than the norm" exceptions certainly and obviously do exist, no reliable source coverage has been shown here to demonstrate that this bridge should be considered one of them. (See also related Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dain City Railroad Bridge.) Delete. Bearcat (talk) 18:22, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. The bridge is historic. The bridge was the site of the groundbreaking for the Welland Canal; see this page about the bridge and this photo of the historic marker. Here is another page written specifically about the bridge. The economic and social impact of this bridge and the canal are discussed in this book. The lack of notable information compiled to date for the WP particle does not mean that this bridge, which is over 80 years old, is not notable. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 22:02, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the onus is on the article to properly substantiate and reliably source the topic's notability right off the top. An article which just asserts that the topic exists, and provides no demonstration of notability at all, is not entitled to stick around just because it might be improvable — it doesn't have to be an FA class article right off the top by any means, but it does have to at least contain a basic claim of notability, and one or two reliable sources to demonstrate the accuracy of that claim of notability, right from the very moment that the article exists at all. Bearcat (talk) 18:21, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Please explain WP:NEXIST which states "Notability requires only the existence of suitable independent, reliable sources, not their immediate presence or citation in an article." Why doesn't that apply here? - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 05:22, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Because the article isn't even saying anything about the bridge that would constitute a claim of notability — mere existence is not the same thing. There is a difference between an inadequately sourced article that at least provides a reason why its topic would be considered notable, and one which contains neither sourcing nor any actual claim of notability. Bearcat (talk) 22:59, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I need some explanation to understand your position. It seems that you are saying the opposite of WP:ARTN, which says "Article content does not determine notability." Also, you must understand that people have different perspectives. From my perspective, the statement in the nominated version of the article that this a movable bridge built in 1930 is enough to constitute a claim of notability. A two-hundred foot span is nothing today, but in the thirties it was still quite an engineering accomplishment. Movable bridges are still quite scarce and are being removed faster than being built these days. Add in the fact that the bridge has been kept operational for eighty-plus years and yes, the subject is notable. - ¢Spender1983 (talk) 00:01, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Any article on Wikipedia always has to contain at least a basic explanation of why the topic is or should be considered eligible for inclusion in an encyclopedia. Once that's done, then "article content does not determine notability" kicks in, in the sense that once basic notability has been properly covered off we can no longer delete an article just for failing to be better and more substantial than it already is — but that statement does not mean that anyone can just create an article which just asserts that its topic exists, and then use ARTN as an exemption from having to clarify why an encyclopedia should actually bother documenting its existence. For example, "The Flapjack Diner is a restaurant in Palookaville, the end, no sources" would not get to claim keepability because ARTN. It's certainly still possible that such an article could be salvaged with better sources — and I'm now going to withdraw this nomination since improved sourcing and a better claim of notability has now been shown here — but ARTN does not constitute a "get out of AFD free" card for an article if there isn't at least a basic and sourced claim of notability, as opposed to mere existence, in the article. Bearcat (talk) 19:24, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article is a stub with no references, but it was created only a week ago by a new editor. The bridge seems to be notable, sources already cited and The Welland Canals and Their Communities, Engineering Journal, Volume 20 and Marine Investigation Report M01C0054 provide enough information for an article. Peter James (talk) 22:43, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 09:19, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Oye! Times

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Not sure about notability. Claims to be a Canadian website Galaxy Kid (talk) 17:07, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Social network is no indication of notability. But still compared to the pages of reliable websites ( facebook likes and twitter followers of other reliable websites ). This website has got 18 facebook likes till date and 168 followers. Galaxy Kid (talk) 17:14, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - a search in Google finds a massive spam attack, but nothing real. DreamGuy (talk) 17:41, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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KEEP - It is a news website. Not ordinary but a reliable and collaborative. It doesn't have widespread coverage in US or Canada but does report worldwide news from the primary and reliable sources of that particular country. Arjann (talk) 17:04, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete This news Website don't have notability. Eden's Apple (talk) 17:52, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. the keep reason given above is simply ITEXISTS, which is not sufficient. DGG ( talk ) 04:44, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for now at best as searches only found their own articles, no considerably third-party coverage. Newspapers may be considered notable but there's simply no obvious improvement yet. SwisterTwister talk 04:48, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. consensus is clear enough after relisting DGG ( talk ) 04:32, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Prashant Kumar (Advocate)

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There is a fatal lack of spectacular coverage on this man; he appears to be just another lawyer. He is not mentioned NOR linked in any of the WIkipedia pages for the organizations he supposedly had an impact on. This page is mainly nominated for deletion via WP:ANYBIO. // Posted by larsona (Talk) // 16:58, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Clearly WP:G11, the article looks like his own CV. MarkYabloko 17:08, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per User:Human3015. This is just a non-notable lawyer using Wikipedia as a platform to advertise himself. TJRC (talk) 21:47, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy delete. WP:G5 Sock of Vasili-vorobiev NeilN ^{talk to me} 20:57, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Belarusian bloggers

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Listing of Belarusian bloggers that's essentially a duplicate of Category:Belarusian bloggers. The text is copy-pasted from the articles included in that category. clpo13_(talk) 16:39, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I think WP:Summary Style would be more appropriate. Siuenti (talk) 16:57, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:G12, plus vandalism and WP:SOCK by the article creator! MarkYabloko 17:00, 15 November 2015 (UTC), 18:35, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I'm not sure of any other "list of (nationality) bloggers" so I'm not sure the point, as of course it's not comprehensive and there must be thousands of bloggers. —Мандичка^YO 😜 18:03, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The point would be to give an overview of notable Belarussian bloggers. Siuenti (talk) 18:29, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Are you suggesting to merge those other articles to here? —C.Fred (talk) 18:34, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Probably just a sentence or two from each, summary style. Siuenti (talk) 20:15, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I trimmed it down but I still think it's better off simply as a category. A separate summary article would need to be kept in sync with the main articles. clpo13_(talk) 20:32, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per Clpo13. If any of the individuals listed are notable per WP:BIO then they should have their own articles (and the majority of them do, the contents of which have been copied verbatim into this article). We already have Category:Belarusian bloggers to aggregate them together, I don't see any additional value being added by this article. If the article is to be kept, it should be re-titled to "List of Belarusian bloggers", but I don't see any other precedent to encourage keeping it, even in this manner. _└^UkPaolo/_talk^┐ 19:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I don't see why Category:Bloggers by nationality would need a parent article. Now, this could be a section in an article on Blogging in Belarus, if it existed (see Category:Blogging by country). Not much to salvage, though. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:12, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Nothing convincing of keeping this. SwisterTwister talk 08:30, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 20:25, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Vance Dickason

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This article does not meet Wikipedia's guidelines for notability. Simply being a technology journalist or having one trade association award does not make one notable, and the article appears self-promotional in nature. Rhombus (talk) 15:59, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Another clearly too soon as there's no better improvement here. SwisterTwister talk 08:30, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Insufficient evidence that he is a particularly important authority in his field. DGG ( talk ) 03:50, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per WP:GNG. No secondary reliable sources cover this person where an article is warranted. ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:57, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete -- GB fan 11:54, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Loudspeaker_Design_Cookbook

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This is an article about a specialty trade paperback that contains nothing more than a table of contents and hasn't had significant activity since it was created in 2007. It looks suspiciously spammy in nature. Remember that Wikipedia is not for self-promotion, nor is it a catalog. Rhombus (talk) 15:09, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Pretty sure this doesn't meet Wikipedia:Notability (books). No citations. Not even a summary. GabeIglesia (talk) 00:12, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - as per all reasonings above. Rayman60 (talk) 01:17, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 22:05, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

All Events In City

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No evidence of any notability. Supposed links to show awards is a dead link. Two others are YouTube videos and one is a simple own advert. Nothing here even close to WP:GNG Velella ^{Velella Talk} 14:27, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Simply nothing to suggest better notability at this time. SwisterTwister talk 06:33, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment The Youtube link is actually a CNBC Link, plus there is a Hindu link, so that makes it two reliable sources. -_Rsrikanth05 (talk) 21:17, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as above. Yann (talk) 10:13, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the article passed 2 of WP:GNG and also won two notably awards ..--Bello96 (talk) 20:05, 3 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete - The CNBC piece is an interview, and therefore, being a primary source, does not go to notability. The Hindu Business Line article is very good, but it raises an issue about the article's title, since the Hindu article never calls this company by the wiki article's title (same as the CNBC piece). Searches did not turn up enough other in-depth coverage to show it passes GNG, it certainly doesn't pass WP:CORPDEPTH. Finally, the overwhelmingly promotional tone of the article makes it an excellent candidate for WP:TNT. If it is somehow kept, the title needs to be changed to the correct name as per the sources, which refer to allevents.in. It would also need to be stubified to the only one or two non-promotional lines in the article. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 12:42, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) —UY Scuti ^Talk 19:42, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Rob McEwen

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BLP article of a CEO. Can't seem to determine why he is notable. Reads like he wrote it, very promotional language. Article has been on the go since early 2011, but sources are mix of blog, broken links, and links to pages that don't assert notability. I think it fails WP:BIO and WP:GNG scope_creep 12:26, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

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The article definitely needs referencing improvement and rewriting for tone, but the strongest notability claim here, having been named a Member of the Order of Canada, is one that gets a person over the bar if the article is written and sourced properly. Keep and flag for refimprove and tone cleanup. Bearcat (talk) 18:50, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep perhaps as Books, News, browsers and Highbeam all found noticeable links and the Order Award may also be convincing of keeping. Notifying past AfDer DGG (it's amusing I even thought of notifying you anyway and here I noticed you at that AfD ). SwisterTwister talk 21:45, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Snow Keep - one of, if not the foremost authorities on gold commodities in the world today. Clearly meets WP:BASIC, with the broad exposure throughout international media. Even articles which are primarily interviews (and as such, shouldn't be used for notability), usually have more in-depth coverage of him preceding the interview, than I've seen in other standalone citations, such as this. Add to that the Canadian honor, and it appears to be an easy decision. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 14:12, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. sufficient consensus DGG ( talk ) 04:43, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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BLP article about a CEO who seems to have no references for article that has been on the go since mid 2008. Can't find any sources, or any verifiable info on why he is notable. Being given a tech entrepreneur prize does not denote notability. Fails WP:BIO and WP:GNG. scope_creep 11:47, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Delete: An article by a one-day WP:SPA who created articles on the firm and its CEO. A Highbeam search turns up a couple of routine sector coverage pieces, but neither these nor the non-notable awards mentioned in the article seem substantial evidence of encyclopaedic notability. AllyD (talk) 11:56, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom and AllyD. Ceosad (talk) 21:37, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. (WP:NPASR) (non-admin closure) sst✈^(discuss) 09:25, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sum Ying Fung

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Non-notable individual. The world's oldest individual by nation hasn't been considered sufficient notable before. The only sources here are WP:ROUTINE obituaries you would find. The problem is that the article alleges (without sources) that those WP:RS are inaccurate without evidence of that allegation. Either, her claim can be debunked by a reliable source and thus the sources here aren't reliable as to these facts and she isn't notable or her claim is valid based on these reliable sources but the only sources here are WP:ROUTINE coverage. Ricky81682 (talk) 10:59, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Controversial I expect but I removed the hints that her claim isn't valid. As noted, there are only the three reliable sources provided that assert her birthdate of 1899 and absent a reliable source debunking it, it should be treated as a WP:FRINGE theory that she actually wasn't born in 1899. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 11:03, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Gender bias is real and is a problem. 166.171.123.191 (talk) 22:18, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, per nom. There are no policy-based arguments to be made that either the age is, per se notable, nor that this person, who lacks WP:SIGCOV has met the requirements of WP:GNG. Even if they had, WP:NOPAGE counsels that, rather than a stand-alone article, inclusion in a list might be appropriate. Gender bias, raised above, is not a factor here. David in DC (talk) 17:07, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Per nom. Not dying for one century doesn't actually make you notable, it just makes you really old.-Serialjoepsycho- (talk) 05:14, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete WP:PERMASTUB, WP:NOPAGE. "At the claimed age" -- don't we know??? EEng (talk) 09:16, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Mrs Fung received some coverage when she became the oldest living person in Canada - detailed biography; short coverage. When she died 11 months later, there was a lot of coverage too. In particular, this detailed biography in Chinese compelled me to think we should have an article on her. Der yck C. 13:39, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You haven't answered the NOPAGE and PERMASTUB arguments. Your recent edits have added nothing but pedestrian life details to the article (other than the Chinese Exclusion Act bit, which could easily be accommodated in a list minibio.) EEng (talk) 14:35, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think we simply disagree on the applicability of PERMASTUB and NOPAGE. My argument is that there is already enough ~~notable~~Der yck C. 09:07, 18 November 2015 (UTC) biographical content in existing reliable sources that will be too much to fit into a listbio. Personally, I'd consider her being smuggled out of Beijing in 1989 at the age of 90 to be more significant than the Chinese Exclusion Act, but that isn't the point. In a sense, all biographies are "pedestrian life details". It is the extent of biographical coverage in reliable sources, not some arbitrary criterion for "importance", that determines notability. Der yck C. 15:28, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You're confusing notability (which is one question) and article content. Notability is not the test for article content, so "notable biographical content" makes no sense. "Barred from the US in 18xx because of the Chinese Exclusion Act, she was later smuggled into the US by..." would fit nicely in a minibio or list, and the rest is unimportant. EEng (talk) 17:18, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for pointing out the separation between notability and content. I apologise for the redundancy. My argument still stands though - whether a subject should be covered on Wikipedia, and whether the subject deserves its own article, both depend on the concept of notability, which in turn depends on the the availability of reliable sources. Importance doesn't come into the question directly. I think your one-line summary biography misunderstood Fung's life story. They are completely separate life events which will be better off as two parts in her own article than a listbio. Der yck C. 09:07, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No, you still misunderstand notability vs. article content: WP:NNC. EEng (talk) 13:59, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Pinging User:Charles Matthews and User:Keilana for their expertise on overseas Chinese and women's biographies. Der yck C. 09:24, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think the Tumbr page (even for The Vancouver Sun) is going to be a reliable source but you should probably refer to the article instead which is actually the same (Canada.com is taking its story from the Sun) so it's actually a single source. Nevertheless, the sources doesn't really provide any new information about her other than the same basic details. Perhaps this should be made into a redirect and a small biography at List of Canadian supercentenarians but we still have the issue of whether her claim should be included in the tables there (I don't see why not). -- Ricky81682 (talk) 11:53, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Because she's not verified. It's unscientific to put an unverified SC in with verified ones. There's a reason she wasn't there. And in the case of 115+ claimants, under no circumstances should you put them in with verified ones. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. 158.222.69.9 (talk) 21:39, 26 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete absent sources with further content. Plenty of human interest, nothing here encyclopedic that I can see. Charles Matthews (talk) 10:01, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete insufficient coverage. Vanamonde93 (talk) 05:43, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep rock solid coverage before death and in obituaries. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 00:55, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What about the NOPAGE and PERMASTUB arguments? EEng (talk) 01:52, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just add more info from the biographies and obituaries. --Richard Arthur Norton (1958- ) (talk) 05:54, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But the point isn't to add any jumble of facts to just swell the article; can you suggest what might be added that our readers would want to know? EEng (talk) 05:59, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep A rather clear and undeniable claim of notability, backed up by ample reliable and verifiable sources that provide the significant coverage needed about the subject to provide an appropriately substantial article. Alansohn (talk) 05:46, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The subject passes Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline with coverage in The Province, CBC.ca, 加拿大家园, and The Vancouver Sun. Deryck Chan (talk · contribs)'s arguments against WP:NOPAGE are convincing. I strongly agree with his eloquent comment that:
In a sense, all biographies are "pedestrian life details". It is the extent of biographical coverage in reliable sources, not some arbitrary criterion for "importance", that determines notability.
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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:33, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Billboard (record producer)

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Non-notable person, Does not meet WP:GNG. Has been tagged since July 2011 as needing more references. Zpeopleheart (talk) 10:45, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as News and two web searches found some links but surely nothing convincingly better. SwisterTwister talk 05:04, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Clearly fails GNG. Ceosad (talk) 21:54, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Clearly passes WP:COMPOSER; needs better and more references, which I can find extremely easily on Google when I looked so... Instead of deleting, you could always find these not-so-dificult to find citations. Edit: I added liner note citations to all of them. I don't see a need to cite the record sales of them for passing NALBUMS, you can just find that on the album pages. Since the complaints about this article are no longer existent, I propose the AfD end. SanctuaryX^{Stop talking in codes} 02:57, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

But isn't this about a person instead of his recordings? WP:NOTINHERITED I struggle in finding anything more than brief mentions about him. This WP:MUSICBIO guideline is more relevant: "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself." Liner notes help, but they are not independent sources. Ceosad (talk) 14:39, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I looked a little further and there's actually WP:COMPOSER"Has credit for writing or co-writing either lyrics or music for a notable composition." He has several notable compositions in that list.SanctuaryX^{Stop talking in codes} 14:49, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, he seems to be a notable person, and would undoubtedly be notable, but we cannot prove that he is notable. I am worried about depth of coverage that is certainly lacking in any sources I could find. Ceosad (talk) 15:02, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see if I can find more references, but you only have to meet a criterion, not all or multiple of them to be considered notable. I had that linking to the wrong page~ Fixed it. Plus, your NOTINHERITED link, doesn't apply because it isn't inherited. You can't inherit something from what you created. That is meant to say that just because a person/thing is notable, not all of their works/associated things are. If a person's works are notable, then that person is notable.WP:COMPOSER.SanctuaryX^{Stop talking in codes} 16:04, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Actually, if they meet any of the criteria of WP:COMPOSER, they may be notable; it doesn't mean they are notable. In this case the lack of significant in-depth coverage doesn't help them pass WP:GNG, and their songwriting credits aren't strong enough on their own. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 17:16, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I agree that the almost complete lack of substantive coverage is a death knell here. The songwriting credits by themselves are insufficient. --Bejnar (talk) 16:26, 15 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Per consensus Philg88 ^♦talk 06:53, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Arthur Plunkett

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Article fails to credibly assert notability of the subject. The main source used in the article appears to be a CV from a genealogy website, and is the only support for personal information in the article. A second source confirms only that Dorman Long & Co were contractors for the Sydney Harbour Bridge. The third source only supports use of Radium bombs as treatment for cancerous growths. Other than the CV, which is a primary source, there is no support for the claim of his involvement in the construction of the Sydney Harbour Bridge, which seems the main "claim to fame". Internet and other searches find other Plunketts, but not this one, indicating that the subject fails to pass WP:GNG. AussieLegend (✉) 10:21, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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delete insufficient evidence to back claims in article. LibStar (talk) 05:33, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - I guess WP:1E would apply if those claims are true, and the bridge is more notable of these two... Ceosad (talk) 21:40, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. It appears from the article that he had only a minor role in designing the bridge, & there sems no other basis for notability DGG ( talk ) 04:45, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I suppose as I unfortunately found nothing at all and that's not surprising but that also means there's no obvious better improvement. I will say change to disambiguation page afterwards for the other two but simply not include this perhaps (I'm willing to start the dab page myself). SwisterTwister talk 05:02, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was wp:IAR procedural close as too similar and merged/linked from Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emília Araújo. No action taken, the other discussion will decide. (If anyone disagrees just revert this, I do not oppose) Nabla (talk) 10:18, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Emilia Araújo

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fails WP:GNG, WP:ONEEVENT. No reliable sources conform WP:RS as needed for s WP:BLP. Double with Emília Araújo The Banner talk 08:42, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Fails GNG. Only reference is a pageant blog of questionable reliability. Independent searches for sources got nothing reliable. • Gene93k (talk) 10:12, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
comment the article was copy/pasted to Emília Araújo (í, not i - which is the correct spelling of the Portuguese name). There is another AfD thiscussion for that one at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emília Araújo. To keep discussion in one place I suggest to speedy procedural close and merge (if such a thing exists). That is, we close this one, link the other one to here, and if it gets to a delete conclusion we delete both, if it is a keep, we merge them. If no one objects in the next few hours I'll do it myself - Nabla (talk) 18:59, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Mark Arsten (talk) 20:29, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Emília Araújo

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fails WP:GNG, WP:ONEEVENT. No reliable sources conform WP:RS as needed for s WP:BLP The Banner talk 07:53, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I suggest to close a discussion about that one - at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emilia Araújo - and use only this to keep things in one place, given it is de facto the same article. - Nabla (talk) 19:01, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I closed the other one. The nomination is the same and the only vote there is already here too (by Gene93k) - Nabla (talk) 10:20, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per my comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Emilia Araújo. Fails GNG. References cited are low quality. Independent searches for sources got nothing reliable. • Gene93k (talk) 22:29, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 12:16, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nature of the Threat

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Non-notable song, doesn't pass WP:NSONGS. TheAstuteObserver (talk) 07:33, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I think this could safely have been dealt with by Proposed deletion. No indication at all that an article is justified. --Michig (talk) 12:18, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:NSONGS. Azealia911 _talk 16:05, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. postdlf (talk) 23:35, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Greatest artists of all-time

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From new page patrol. Seems to be too vague a title as there are painters, performance artists etc Legacypac (talk) 07:27, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom and WP:LSC. I don't there is any way to create objective selection criteria here. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 16:56, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as vague, listcruft, and POV fork. Snuggums (talk / edits) 21:00, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete far too vaguely defined as things stand _└^UkPaolo/_talk^┐ 21:19, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as I entirely agree. SwisterTwister talk 05:05, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as a huge mess. This isn't a list of artists in general, but rather just in music, and not of "all-time", but of one specific period (as explicitly noted in the Rolling Stone list - "the most influential artists of the rock & roll era" - and the Billboard date restrictions). Otherwise Frank Sinatra and lots of others would be kicking some ass. It also has somewhat conflicting and/or vague criteria ("most successfull, best-selling & best") (sic); there's already List of best-selling music artists for the second. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:51, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for the reasons others have already given above. Markpackuk (talk) 12:53, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. joe decker ^talk 06:52, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bryan Jurynec

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fails WP:NHOCKEY Joeykai (talk) 07:25, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Might also want to check Tyler Willis (ice hockey) as well since he is only linked to that page. Yosemiter (talk) 18:34, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It seems that his career has not included notable enough experience for inclusion in this encyclopedia.--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:49, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - as nom pointed out, doesn't meet WP:NHOCKEY, and searches did not turn up enough in-depth coverage to show they meet WP:GNG. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:42, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was speedy keep. Per WP:SK#1, nomination withdrawn and no outstanding delete !votes. (non-admin closure) Sam Sailor ^Talk! 19:19, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

November Theatre

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The article is created and authored by the person who runs it (see de prod note) and contains no external sources. Does it pass the threshold GNG? Legacypac (talk) 07:06, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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A hard term to search for but it does have its own entry in the Canadian Theatre Encyclopedia. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 11:24, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Article definitely needs sourcing improvement, but the source that Shawn listed above confirms and bolsters notability — the world English premiere of The Black Rider, one of the single most notable contemporary operas of the past two decades, certainly counts for something. And for the record, a WP:COI is not, in and of itself, a reason to delete an article if proper referencing (such as an entry in the Canadian Theatre Encyclopedia) does exist to clean it up with. Keep and flag for refimprove. Bearcat (talk) 18:55, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep November Theatre clearly meets WP:GNG. A quick WP:BEFORE search quickly reveals this. I remind the nominator that AFD is not cleanup. Mkdw ^talk 19:12, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Respectfully, Shawn said it was not easy to search, but based on his findings I am happy to WITHDRAW Legacypac (talk) 01:47, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Canadian Encyclopedia shows up as the fourth result for me. Perhaps it's biased since I used Google.ca. Nonetheless, thank you for your reconsideration. Mkdw ^talk 15:35, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think maybe Shawn just forgot to constrain the search with an extra "Edmonton" and/or "Vancouver" — while admittedly the phrase is generic enough that it doesn't Google very well on its own (there appear, for example, to be at least a couple of other theatres in the world with the exact same name, and it'll also run up against usages like "Our November theatre calendar..."), it does Google much more easily with the extra geographical location terms. Bearcat (talk) 18:11, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Jenks24 (talk) 09:20, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Live at the Seawall

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The album is an unofficial bootleg. Koala15 (talk) 06:27, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Fails WP:NALBUMS. Azealia911 _talk 16:05, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per nom. Legacypac (talk) 12:05, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge to Iraq Veterans Against the War. (non-admin closure) Ya sh ! 06:36, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ricky Clousing

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2nd nomination. 1st AfD closed as no consensus. A case of AWOL without particular importance or significance. The article has not been improved since and still lacks the kind of sources that assert notability. Fails BLP and WP:MILNG. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:01, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Merge key points to Iraq Veterans Against the War and redirect. Subject seems to have received more than a few passing mentions in a range of seemingly reliable sources so *may* be a valid search term; however, I don't think he meets WP:SIGCOV as we couldn't write a detailed biography about him. As such he probably doesn't meet WP:GNG. Anotherclown (talk) 07:39, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect, per Anotherclown. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 20:47, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete/merge, as above. Bondegezou (talk) 13:10, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. WP:SOFTDELETE. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 10:58, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Neshaminy Creek Brewing Company

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"First production brewery ' in particular suburban Philadelphia county, is not much of a distinction. The refs are either the most local of suburban papers, or their own website. the contents of the article isacatalog listing of products. DGG ( talk ) 05:22, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete for now as although News, Books, browser found some links, there's nothing convincingly better for a seemingly locally known brewery. SwisterTwister talk 06:32, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Euryalus (talk) 08:38, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lord Edward

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We discovered in RfD where Lord Ed and Lord Eddie are being discussed that this is the only disambig page in existence for Lord Name which suggests strongly we don't need this Neelix creation. There are already Lord and Edward pages. Legacypac (talk) 04:22, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Convert to redirect to Edward Lord, as a reversed order name, such as is found in registries, where surnames appear first -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 07:03, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Delete. At EN:WP we don't do Eastern name order. It would in any case have to be Lord, Edward. Russian WP does it that way, e.g ru:Путин, Владимир Владимирович (Vladimir Putin). Hungarian WP does, but that's the usual form for Hungarian names. Si Trew (talk) 13:19, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  - One of the Edward Lords, Edward Clemens Lord was a missionary to China, where it is normal to have surnames first and given names last. So we can also just target Edward Clemens Lord; though many registers do not use a comma, and some instead just UPPERCASE the surname without a comma to separate it from the given name, so it does appear without commas. (like in a phone book) -- 70.51.44.60 (talk) 04:35, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
~~Keep~~Delete - What's the deletion rationale other than WP:OTHERSTUFFDOESNTEXIST? If there are multiple people known commonly as just "Lord Edward", this seems a sensible dab. Definitely disagree with the above re: name reversals, though, except in non-standard cases (this does not look to be one of those cases). — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 16:53, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

can you show anyone is known as Lord Edward? Because if you just type Lord Edward into Wikipedia's search box or Google you are given a list of choices. This DAB page actually makes it harder to find what you want because you get it instead of choosing from the search results. Legacypac (talk) 20:29, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Update: Hmm. In my head I was hearing "Lord Edward" as a common way to talk about a lord along the lines of other "[title] + [given name]" combinations like King George and Maester Aemon. Upon further investigation I'm finding that it, in fact, does not look terribly common to do so, making this seem more non-standard than I previously thought. Switched to delete. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 22:18, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I thought the same at first, but Queen Elizabeth II does not really have a last name or location, while a Lord is better identified as Lord Location or Lord Family Name then by Lord Given Name.Legacypac (talk) 23:04, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think how they are identified depends on what kind of lord they are. See Lord#Modern_usage. Si Trew (talk) 13:08, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: this page is worse than useless - it lists 5 Lord Edwards; there are 9 who turn up in the drop-down search box if you type "Lord Edward", and a {{look from}} search on "Lord Edward" finds [Special:PrefixIndex/Lord_Edward this lot], which includes quite a few redirects to people whose article title is not "Lord...". Not a useful dab page; I'm not sure that it woud be a useful redirect to "Edward Lord" as we don't routinely provide redirects from every "surname forename" pair and it would stop readers from getting to the search box. PamD 20:41, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note that we don't have redirects at Lord George, Lord John, Lord Cyril, though we have articles or dab pages at George Lord, John Lord, and Cyril Lord ("This is luxury you can afford..." for UK TV watchers of a certain age!") (Or was in on Radio Luxemburg?). PamD 20:45, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Telly. here. (Must get this book, the first two volumes are very good. Maybe my Christmas prezzie. Although it seems to have a typo "jungle" right there... perhaps I wait for 2nd edition.) Si Trew (talk) 13:15, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, do not redirect - the Lord Edward is a pub ([4]) which is supposedly the oldest seafood restaurant in Dublin, which may make it notable for an article. Without regard to that, every entry on this page fails WP:NAMELIST, there are no people known in full as "Lord Edward" nor do there appear to be any geopolitical areas known as Edward which are ruled by a lord, and per SimonTrew we don't do reversed name order unless it would be a plausible search, and this one isn't. Ivanvector 🍁 (talk) 16:08, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as useless per above (and maybe per WP:REDLINK per Ivanvector.) Steel1943 (talk) 14:20, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sam Walton (talk) 00:03, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Joshua Travagli

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Contested PROD. Concern was Article about a footballer who fails WP:GNG and who has not played in a fully pro league. PROD was contested on the grounds that he is signed to a fully-pro-league club. This does not confer notability since he has yet to make his debut. Sir Sputnik (talk) 04:17, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. I deprodded this in error since an earlier version of the article claimed that he had played 25 games in a fully professional league.Since this claim was not correct and is no longer in the article, and there are no other claims of notability I agree the subject fails GNG. Meters (talk) 04:39, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per nom. The article's statement "Travagli has yet to make his debut for the Strikers" seems key here. Looks like a case of WP:TOOSOON. _└^UkPaolo/_talk^┐ 08:30, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment pinging @I am pajamas: for input, since he originally tagged article for deletion under CSD A7. _└^UkPaolo/_talk^┐ 08:34, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTBALL. Giant Snowman 11:53, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I am new to this whole thing, I defer to literally anyone else on this. I am just learning how Wikipedia works! I am pajamas (talk) 19:31, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or Userfy Fails WP:GNG and WP:NFOOTY, but might pass it soon. Joseph2302 (talk) 22:34, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Fails NFOOTY as has not played senior international football nor played in a fully professional league. No indication that subject has garnered significant reliable coverage for any other achievements to satisfy GNG. Fenix down (talk) 09:56, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Has not played in a WP:FPL nor in senior international football, thus failing WP:NFOOTY. Has not garnered significant independent coverage to meet WP:GNG. This is a clear case of WP:TOOSOON. — Jkudlick ^tc_s 14:11, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep. Michig (talk) 09:25, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

List of dance companies in Canada

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Wikipedia is not the yellowpages. The only sentence in the article correctly notes "There are many dance companies in Canada" and most are not worth an article.

Note the template at the bottom which has all red links for List of dance companies in North America. It looks like it goes away automatically if we delete this List of article. Legacypac (talk) 04:06, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep, non-notable dance companies don't have to be included. Siuenti (talk) 07:55, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge That template at the bottom is the problem, I agree, not this Neelix-created list, which is a non-indiscriminate list of what should be notable Canadian dance companies. As for the argument "most are not worth an article" all but two have articles. On the other hand, we do have List of dance companies which is sortable by country, which has many of the companies listed there too. Most of them I think. I'd have no objection if someone wanted to merge this list into that. I'm going to try removing that template at the bottom, though. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 11:13, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: this list is (or as Shawn says, "should be") of dance companies notable in a Canadian context. It can thus contain provincial companies which do not qualify for inclusion in List of Dance Companies. There will be some overlap with that list of course but as coverage of dance in Canada improves this list can grow with more, distinct, entries. --Mirokado (talk) 13:35, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep WP:NOT is not about removing lists of notable people, companies, or topics. This list clearly meets WP:LISTCOMPANY and our notability guidelines as it's not an indiscriminate list. Mkdw ^talk 17:44, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sandstein 17:39, 2 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Self-examination

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Why in the world Neelix made this article which just gives 2 or three sentences about, and links to Breast self-examination and Testicular self-examination. It adds nothing to the understanding of those topics, and misses completely the concept of self-examination of your thoughts, feelings, and motives - like why a person needs to insert tiny tittie redirects to other articles. As part of a delete we can G8 Housekeeping the 10 or so vague redirects this article. Legacypac (talk) 04:01, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, there's no point to this article. PK T(alk) 14:41, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete While both topics are very important, nobody seems to be putting them together as one subject. Each already has its own article. I was also expecting something on mental self-examination, which also probably deserves an article of its own. Kitfoxxe (talk) 15:00, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep. It appears that sources use the term "self-examination" to refer to refer to the general concept of conducting a medical examination on yourself (see, e.g., this source). Alternatively, I think you could also make a plausible argument to redirect this to Human self-reflection. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 17:05, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - WP:NOTDIC. As said this doesn't even mention mental or spiritual self-examination, etc. —Мандичка^YO 😜 18:06, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There were three very pointless confusing inbound links from articles - in the opening paragraphs of Breast self-examination and Testicular self-examination and one see also from a mental topic. So a reader would click on the link to learn about self-examination just to be directed back to where they came from while learning nothing. I removed the links Legacypac (talk) 23:40, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Nonsensical and unnecessary and misleading WP:OR WP:SYNTH of two existing wiki articles. Not even what self-examination actually means. Softlavender (talk) 22:23, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Per WP:NPASR. (non-admin closure) —UY Scuti ^Talk 19:33, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Liz Clarke

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Questionably notable and improvable as the best I found was this, this, this and this and this simply hasn't changed much since starting in June 2007 with also no immediate signs of it happening. Pinging taggers The-Pope, CutOffTies and Royalbroil. SwisterTwister talk 06:58, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Just have to modify search parameters, was able to find coverage at: Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL. — Cirt (talk) 05:58, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was No consensus. (non-admin closure) — Jkudlick ^tc_s 03:52, 1 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jorge Alberto Rodríguez

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Person does not appear notable. Unable to verify sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kigali1 (talk • contribs) 14:53, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as I found nothing better. SwisterTwister talk 08:01, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Do Not Delete as I am an author who is personally contracted to write a book detailing the life and history of Jorge Alberto Rodriguez. I know him personally and his story is very much real. He was arrested by U.S. Customs on 06 July 1990 in Tallahassee, Florida. He went to trial in the U.S. Federal Court in Tallahassee on 18 October 1990 and was found guilty on 21 October 1990. What more references are needed to verify his name and existence? Elizabethcastro talk 09:21, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The kind of references that can actually be verified. None of the references provided are verifiable. Does claiming to know him personally violate wikipedia's policy of a conflict of interest?, Kigali1 talk 13:16, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- @Elizabethcastro: see WP:Identifying reliable sources. – Fayenatic London 19:15, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Potential keep -- If true, the subject must have been notorious. The Cali cartel certainly were, though the identify of is members was less well-known. It ought not to be difficult to find reliable sources from newspaper reports of his arrest and trial. When the book is published, no doubt it also can be cited. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:14, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Probably notable . The refs seem sufficient. DGG ( talk ) 17:50, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Per WP:NPASR. (non-admin closure) —UY Scuti ^Talk 19:31, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Double Take (group)

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Clearly I am undecided if this and/or the so-called pop duo is really this notable as their notability only lasted less than a week despite being trivially mentioned in a number of news outlets just as Day Above Ground (AfD) did in 2013, unlike the same longer term web-viral impact that Rebecca Black or Alison Gold enjoyed, so therefore WP:BLP1E and WP:BIO1E applies also since then the pair appeared to have given up on their career as I guess this article assumed WP:RISING and WP:CRYSTAL. Donnie Park (talk) 18:23, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Was easily able to find additional secondary source coverage with the following search parameters:

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Hope that's helpful, — Cirt (talk) 03:46, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

So has Day Above Ground, except because they are less offensive and being young fenales, they are not as forgotten as easily. The same point that I've made above, most of these sources are just in that period of one week in April 2012 and the media have ignored them ever since, therefore a WP:BLP1E case. Donnie Park (talk) 08:56, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 09:21, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Celine Dion 2016 French Album

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A clear case of WP:HAMMER. Album name and track listing still unknown Gbawden (talk) 16:20, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: WP:TOOSOON, WP:NOTNEWS. This album already has all the coverage it presently needs at Celine Dion: a single sentence. QVVERTYVS (hm?) 12:36, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete for now perhaps as I actually accepted this thinking it looked acceptable but considering there's simply not much, there's not much for an article yet. SwisterTwister talk 07:59, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Love Celine, but this is definitely WP:HAMMER with poor "she maybe could be probably in the studio and some paparazzi took a picture of her with some record guy" gossip sourcing. Nate • (chatter) 00:53, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete or move to draft, currently fails WP:NALBUMS. Azealia911 _talk 09:43, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 10:12, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Edgar Bolden

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WP:NOTMEMORIAL,and does not meet Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Notability guide. Certainly reach of the Tuskegee Airmen deserved to be commemorated. But not necessarily in an encycopedia . DGG ( talk ) 06:10, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: Searches turned up numerous books which reference this man, but upon closer examination, none provided more detail than his rank and other superficial military designations. I had hoped that a look at the pdf cited in the article would direct me to something more substantial, but the link seems to now be broken. Given the lack of substantial sourcing and the fact that much of the content on the page is, as DGG suggests, of personal memorial nature, rather than speaking to general notability, I'm afraid I must agree that WP:GNG is not satisfied. Snow ^{let's rap} 07:48, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Bolden was one of the first African American military pilots and upon searching, while some of the results (as said by Snow Rise) detail exclusively his name and/or rank, Bolden alone has had much coverage from sources from Portland to Virginia. MB298 (talk) 01:51, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Can you provide the citations? Valfontis (talk) 04:30, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Does meet WP:SIGCOV or WP:SOLDIER, and also WP:NOTMEMORIAL. Peacemaker67 (crack... thump) 10:21, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment I've replaced the article's single reference pdf with an archive link--remember that most deadlinks aren't really dead. It's here: https://web.archive.org/web/20080517183436/http://www.tuskegeeairmen.org/uploads/EdgarBolden.pdf Valfontis (talk) 03:34, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Per a newspaper article of September of this year, "All black military pilots who trained in the United States during World War II trained in Tuskegee. In all, almost a thousand black pilots trained there from 1941 to 1946. Of that number, 450 were deployed overseas and 150 lost their lives, including 66 killed in action. Of the roughly 450 who went overseas with the 332nd Fighter Group, about 32 are still alive, said Brian Smith, president of the Tuskegee Airmen National History Museum in Detroit." It appears that Mr. Bolden was one of the longer-lived Tuskegee Airmen, but that alone does not make him notable by Wikipedia standards. The group as a whole is notable, of course, but judging by the numbers cited in the news article, being one of 450 alone doesn't confer notability as notability is not inherited. I checked carefully for more sources including using his middle initial (I've added that to the "find sources" templates above) than the obituary cited in the article and could only find a few, including a reference to his being shot down (which isn't cited in the article, and one of several similar brief book mentions), and brief mentions: U.S. Rep mention, transcript of D.C. obit, Oregonian death notice, and obit, note about his death, plus a civil court matter and brief mention of his 2nd marriage in Jet magazine. He served with honor, but Wikipedia is not a memorial and he doesn't pass WP:SOLDIER (collective award to the Airmen of the Congressional Gold Medal, a civilian honor, isn't enough) or WP:GNG with multiple, reliable, independent, substantive sources about him. Valfontis (talk) 04:26, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - fails WP:GNG per Valfontis. Anotherclown (talk) 10:14, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 09:23, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Elliterate

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Subject does not appear to have attracted the attention of media sources outside of his Montana home region (the Montana Kaimen, etc.). Refs to the Seattle Times do not actually mention the subject but rather projects he was involved with. I don't see evidence of broader public interest via independent reliable sources. KDS4444^Talk 06:50, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Should more sources be added from his work in California and Seattle? Wasn't sure how many sources needed but his resume boasts many notable collaborations/shows etc. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Rapthatgavelup (talk • contribs) 01:25, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

What the article needs is references that discus the subject of the article in depth and also have broad interest and circulation— major regional and national newspapers or similarly circulated magazines ("People", "Newsweek"). It isn't so much a question of where (geographically) these sources are located, but of who reads them (with large readership indicating a measure of notability) and of what they bother to say about him (a mention in passing is not as much an indicator as a personal interview). Links that lack independence from the subject such as the one to "Shaymlusly Elliterate Events" and the one to http://shaymlusly-elliterate.bandcamp.com do nothing to support a notability claim. The reference to the Seattle Public Theater does not link to anything that discusses him, so a reference like that doesn't help either. Neither does the Black Budget Music link. And these last two types of "references" (i.e., web pages) need to be places where the subject of the article is discussed, not places where his performances can be heard or where a track listing can be viewed or where his name is mentioned as performing in a certain night (all of which are considered trivial and most of which are likely to lack independence from the subject). Also not useful: press releases, album announcements, and anything that comes directly from the artist or those promoting him. The article needs multiple (at least two) references from reliable (i.e., well-known) independent sources which discuss the subject in depth. Lastly, please sign your entries with four tildes at the end to automatically produce your signature. Thanks! KDS4444^Talk 07:31, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as the article looks acceptable at first but there's no simply no better coverage for better improvement. SwisterTwister talk 07:18, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looking through the links doesn't convey a sense that the subject has achieved a significant following or industry awareness. Simply performing and making/releasing music by itself in not particularly noteworthy unless there is evidence of an impact of some sort via independent press coverage. ShelbyMarion (talk) 16:29, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - We have a low barrier to popular culture content and our readers come to us for the breadth we are able to present. This is a nicely done, well documented piece. Keep under GNG. Carrite (talk) 18:13, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 10:09, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Martyrdom in Sikhism

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At the present The entire article is an atrociuos mix of OR and SYNTH which looks like a POV essay, rather than an article of an encyclopedia. Furthermore (as far as I can see) the subject is not notable enough as I can only find 7-8 books which make passing mentions of this, nothing more. I think that in its present state(without a complete rewrite, which is akin to deletion ofc) the article is not wiki material. FreeatlastChitchat (talk) 07:00, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The entire article is in the form of an essay and is certainly not per WP:NPOV. Even if it is considered that the article be re-written, the article is not per WP:Notability. It is an article based on core primary research and unless it is improved, it cannot be approved in such shape. Further, the article is very similar to this [5] and sikhiwiki.org may include article directly related to Sikhism, Wikipedia is vast and requires claims which can be verified at a larger and broader level. Pixarh (talk) 18:02, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep for two reasons. Firstly the article isn't so bad that it can't be improved (and deletion is not cleanup). Secondly, the subject is clearly notable. Anyone who spends thirty seconds Googling the the phrase "Martyrdom in Sikhism" will quickly come to the conclusion that this is an important topic to Sikhs. See for example [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]. Thparkth (talk) 19:06, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I am doing some basic cleanup on the article to remove some POV and make it less of an essay. Thparkth (talk) 20:49, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. adequately sourced, and contains an appropriate list. Easily expandable. Does not seem like OR to me. DGG ( talk ) 04:30, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:59, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Come on james

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Non-notable Internet meme, only local (Hong Kong) coverage. sst✈^discuss 09:58, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Just because it is in Hong Kong does not mean it is not notable. AusLondonder (talk) 07:47, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just because it is in Hong Kong does not mean it is automatically notable either. sst✈^discuss 08:11, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think I suggested it was. However, you suggested it received coverage in Hong Kong only which was apparently a grounds for deletion. AusLondonder (talk) 08:47, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I said "non-notable" as in failing GNG. sst✈^discuss 09:32, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"only local (Hong Kong) coverage" AusLondonder (talk) 01:12, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Local notability is still notability. However, some of the sources are of dubious quality (forum entries) so some pruning of the article will be needed. Der yck C. 13:11, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The page is unnecessary to be deleted. Although it is not notable worldwide yet, its significance demonstrated on YouTube and in the city( it is now a very popular slang among Hong Kongers) prove that the article certainly worth existing.

Also, other pages related to culture or phenomenon only yet viral in Hong Kong are kept as well, such as the Bus Uncle page, the Kong Boys and Kong Girls, Hong Kong Cyclothon , Swimming shed and so on. The Come On, James article should be treated the same way. Besides, local notability is still notability.

And one of the main functions of Wikipedia is to get new knowledge, regardless of its popularity, known internationally. Or else, Wiki won't feature articles and news on its front page to spread the the knowledge to its readers. And the other name of Wiki is literally the Free Encyclopedia. A REAL encyclopedia contains every kind of knowledge, has no boundaries and does not cut out any kind of new knowledge that is not "notable" internationally yet. The Wikipedia should be the same.

Most importantly, the article is being testified to be included in the Wikipedia:WikiProject Hong Kong. If it's not for the representation of social, cultural phenomenon of the city from the article, it would not have been considered. Hence, there's genuinely no need for deletion of the article.

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The result was keep. Potential future success is no guarantee of an article, but it doesn't appear to be a hoax and references have been improved. (non-admin closure) clpo13_(talk) 00:09, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Muhtesem Yüzyil: Kösem

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Unreferenced, maybe hoax, probably without notablity guides. 333 -blue 10:25, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Not a hoax though, quick google search shows that. I also linked six other Wikipedia articles on the subject in different languages. WikiOriginal-9 (talk) 17:13, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It's not a hoax. This TV series is a sequel to another TV series titled Muhteşem Yüzyıl, and as you can see it has an article on English Wikipedia. The show will start tonight in Turkey. The article needs to get expanded. That's all. Keivan.f^Talk 09:18, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I expanded it a little bit. I added links to other articles, new references, new categories, external links, etc. I think we can keep it. Keivan.f^Talk 10:59, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Deletion !! Seriously !!! Strong Oppose. I just watched the first episode. Anyway, this is one of the biggest productions and will be a great success just like its predecessor Muhteşem Yüzyıl. And as I can see, its on IMDB and links and sources were provided in the article.--Attar-Aram syria (talk) 02:38, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep This article is notable enough. We can keep it. Keivan.f^Talk 18:33, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment An article can't be created based off of possible future success. Ladygagahouse (talk) 19:47, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep The series has already become a subject of huge interest among the pro-Arab viewers around the world. A lot of Turkish news references have been easily found when I searched it on google. I strongly recommend to keep the article according to Wikipedia article guideline. Sharif uddin (talk) 19:04, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment First of all, it's already successful in the middle-east. Besides, a TV show or even a movie shouldn't always be successful to have an article in Wikipedia. We have thousands of articles about unsuccessful shows, movies, companies, brands, music groups, etc, here on Wikipedia. That doesn't mean that they're not notable. Keivan.f^Talk 09:06, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 09:18, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Emaze

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This small company (10-15 employees) does not appear to meet Wikipedia's notability criteria. The references do not support a claim of notability - they are routine articles that seem like they were just copied from press releases (one is press release itself). There also appears to be an aggressive bit of crosswiki promotion going on - the main contributors to the article are single-purpose accounts and the page has been repeatedly deleted on other language projects (w:es:emaze and w:pt:emaze for example). Deli nk (talk) 12:38, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: looks like an advertisement and single-purpose accounts prove that this is soapboxing. Ceosad (talk) 21:36, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep : Universities and companies around the world use this service in multiple languages. Definitely has its place here. Gingimaster (talk) 21:07, 24 November 2015 (UTC) — Gingimaster (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]
Delete. I see the claim of widespread use, but I see no evidence of it. DGG ( talk ) 04:42, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as searches only found some passing mentions, clearly not yet notable and improvable. SwisterTwister talk 04:46, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 09:18, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Santosh Thammaiah

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No indication of notability. The given references are all by Santosh Thammaiah, not about him. Huon (talk) 12:44, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - per nom --Sreejith K (talk) 21:24, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Another completely unacceptable and non-notable biography. SwisterTwister talk 07:26, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: A WP:SPA article whose only substantial reference is a one-line mention in an article. Multiple searches are turning nothing better to indicate that the subject meets the biographical notability criteria. AllyD (talk) 09:00, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. (WP:NPASR). North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:37, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Iqbal Mohamed

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Another run-of-the-mill commercial photographer, I can't see how he is notable plus none of it in this article is sourced, therefore this won't help with notability. Donnie Park (talk) 20:51, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Cybatar. (non-admin closure) sst✈^(discuss) 09:29, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Phiwa Nkambule

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No indication of notability. All secondary sources are about Cybatar, the company this person founded, with very little about the person himself. Sources include a paragraph or two of interview quotes of him talking about the company, but little else.

When I cleaned this up in the hopes of saving it, I removing some sources that appeared unreliable; mostly user profiles or self-published content. Those sources can be seen in this version. Grayfell (talk) 21:24, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to company or simply delete as either are acceptable by me although deleting may be best for the article's future as I'm simply not seeing much better here. Pinging past users Ninney and Derek R Bullamore. SwisterTwister talk 05:41, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
In as much as you find it not notable that article is very notable. Whoswho.co.za which has been used in a number of articles was removed which is a bit harsh on this article. The article is noteworthy mainly because of the impact it had after FeesMustFall protests. Your country was not affected by them but South Africa was and poor students are being assisted by an initiative launched by the person the article is about.

Do not delete the article but help improve it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Phwaice (talk • contribs) 06:06, 2 November 2015‎

The about page of Who's Who SA says that profiles are open to all Southern African professionals 18 or over. The Badges and Status system used by the site clearly indicates that it is based on users' activity on the site, and does not appear to verify the underlying claims being made. It also appears to be a social networking site, which is not useful. User profiles are not WP:SECONDARY, and they are not very reliable. If that site has been used in other WP:BLPs, it should be removed. Just because other articles have problems doesn't mean this one's problems should be ignored.

The article about the company is the place to discuss the company's roll in FeesMustFall, if it can be supported by reliable, independent sources. Grayfell (talk) 09:15, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Minimal coverage from secondary sources. Claims of notability rest on press releases and social media sites. Blackguard 19:32, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Do not delete. The article is a snub and deserves an equal chance for the community to contribute to it. I didn't find social media sites on the reference list when I fixed one reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.76.132.139 (talk) 14:39, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete -- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 09:22, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The Necto (nightclub)

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Questionably notable and improvable as the best I found was this, this, this and this which are not convincingly better to suggest improvement. SwisterTwister talk 06:58, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Undecided. This should be salvageable as a historical rock concert venue (Chances Are/Second Chances/The Nectarine Ballroom). Probably too detailed on modern nightclub though. Rmhermen (talk) 17:43, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Can't tell whether it's notable or not, but it's an awful article. Has suffered from COI/SPA issues since the beginning, is like a poor man's press release and extremely unencyclopaedic and non-neutral in tone. If it does survive, it should be nuked and rebuilt from scratch. Rayman60 (talk) 01:08, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Well, it's so much easier deleting an article than rewrite one! (FYI - the deletionist brigade has arrived so this one is going, going, gone... to Deletionpedia!) --MurderByDeadcopy^"bang!" 20:02, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I'm not sure if this will indeed happen but a third relist would be beneficial. SwisterTwister talk 01:34, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Searches turned up nothing but trivial mentions. It exists, it has some popularity, but is it notable? Not according to searches. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:49, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Not notable: Local club referenced solely with mentions & unreliable sources. Promotional, to the extent of being a misuse of WP as a webhost. DGG ( talk ) 19:37, 23 November 2015 (UTC) �[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Per WP:NPASR. (non-admin closure) —UY Scuti ^Talk 19:22, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Svetlana Tanasić

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Quite questionably notable and improvable as it seems she's best known through Zvezde Granda and the best I found was this which is hardly useful. Pinging taggers WereSpielChequers and Philafrenzy and familiar user Wikimandia who may be able to find Serbian sources. SwisterTwister talk 06:58, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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I tagged it for notability in 2010, I'm not familiar with the subject area, but looking at the history it might be worth consulting Phil Bridger re sources. Ϣere SpielChequers 10:43, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Borderline keep, I guess. She has received some news coverage (in Serbian) since, mostly yellow/music press, that can be seen here (Naslovi.net are news aggregator, not all those articles are about her, but a couple is). In 2009, she participated in the (odious) reality show Farma (Serbia), and had a few public appearances here and there, like 2013 on a TV Pink show (no, I can't be arsed to expand the article). No such user (talk) 12:36, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
...and she still sings on TV, as in this New Year Eve's show at TV Grand [11], so I guess it's enough. No such user (talk) 12:43, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Per WP:NPASR. (non-admin closure) —UY Scuti ^Talk 19:20, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

VenueGen

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Questionably notable and improvable as the best I found here, here and here is not convincingly enough to suggest better improvement. SwisterTwister talk 06:56, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - Maybe not convincing enough for the nominator but I find notability requirements are met by sources found in searches and referenced in the article. ~Kvng (talk) 14:31, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Sam Sailor ^Talk! 05:43, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Carta (publisher)

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Only reference to this publisher is a link to their own website. Does not appear to meet the requirements of any notability guideline. KDS4444^Talk 03:11, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete for now perhaps actually as unless some Israeli sources are found, I found no better links other than passing mentions. Notifying DGG who have some insight with this. SwisterTwister talk 07:18, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Worldcat clearly shows hey are the largest firm (indeed, the only significant firm) publishing maps of Israel., as listed [12] or { See the left hand column, under author: the other names are government or quasi-government agencies, Even when it is expanded, [13]the other names are individual catogrhers, not publishers individual cartoghers, not publishers. Similar results searching for individual cities. DGG ( talk ) 15:53, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I love you, DGG, and I know you have a long and sincere history of involvement with Wikipedia, though I must tell you I so hate the word "clearly" (mostly 'cuz it disses the work of editors who have has the nerve to nominate things for deletion, which is hard enough without being called "clearly" wrong, yes?). The WorldCat results show that the Geological Survey of Israel/ the Ministry of Tourism is/ are major publishers of maps of Israel, and are much better known as such. That Carta exists does not qualify it as notable, no? KDS4444^Talk 06:04, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

what I said was that they were the largest firm, by which I meant, as I usually do, commercial firm. (I'm aware there's a UK usage otherwise, so I should not have omitted the adjective.) Nonetheless, in what I said, I did make the distinction, and clearly called them what they are: government or quasi-govenment agencies. Carta is based on the bibliographic record the only commercial map publisher in the country. I don't want to be loved, I want to be read carefully.

You may perhaps rather want to say that being the only commercial map publisher in Israel is not notability, which is a different argument. Here, it's a matter of judgment what standard to use, , and I cannot prove that mine is right, not yours. I consider notability as much as matter of common sense and the GNG in some fields, and publishing firms are among the organizations that cannot be properly judged by the GNG. It would be possible to find reviews of their publications, though not from resources easily available to me.

I therefore judge by what I do have, which i find unequivocal: it is a judgment I would be fully prepared to make on the evidence in a professional context if my reputation as a bibliographer depended on it, though in such a context I would probably add a few more words of context and limitation in the over-cautious way of academics. DGG ( talk ) 06:34, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, as per User:DGG. Comment: This is the publisher archaeologists, pastors, scholars, bird watchers, tour guides, hikers, naturalists and journalists depend on for maps that show everything from where Capernaum is (Luke 4:31-37) to exactly where the Green Line runs. Here is the blog of a non-notable pastor reviewing a Carta atlas: [14]. Here is the Biblical Archaeology Review reviewing 2 notable Carta atlasas: [15].E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:04, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, also, click "what links here." It is very useful, when confronted with a reference on a page, to be able to click and discover whether it is to a reputable publisher, or not.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:20, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Sourced Carta to Publishers Weekly, proving once again that if a topic is notable, sources do exist. More articles available in a search on publishersweekly.com, and, undoubtedly, elsewhere. Carta is hard to find in a general search, because it is such a common word, but this sourcing should put to put any lingering doubts on User:Musa Raza's part. Cheers.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:39, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Putting aside the incredible bad form of nominating an article for deletion within hours of its creation and while the editor who created it has put a {{Under construction}} tag on it, this company is notable and easily satisfies GNG. It is the principal publisher of geographic info (maps, atlases, digital maps) in Israel. It is used by government offices and authorities dealing with cartographic info as their official publisher. All of this in now in the article , with references to reputable academic publishers. As E.M.Gregory notes, there are over 50 other wikipedia articles that link to this. On the sister project of Hebrew Wikipeda, it has a detailed article which is nearly 10 Kbytes long (that's larger than the English Wikipedia's articles on Bantam Books, Doubleday (publisher) or Penguin Group. That should give deletionists with a trigger happy finger some reason for pause. Bad Dryer (talk) 16:46, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Just so. The AFD was slapped onto a brand new page despite the active under construction tag. User:KDS4444, you best move is to withdraw the AFD, apologize on Bad Dryer's talk page, then follow John 8:11.E.M.Gregory (talk) 16:55, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep article under construction obviously Appable (talk) 06:07, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Publisher in herpetology. Mirror360 (talk) 13:04, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
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The result was 'SPEEDY DELETE - A7' Alexf^(talk) 15:35, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Bachir Djamate

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No claim of notability, and no real information. This is also a duplicate of information found in the article on the "Algerian War." // Posted by larsona (Talk) // 02:55, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Speedy delete, criteria G7, the article creator blanked the page. EricSerge (talk) 22:05, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Sam Sailor ^Talk! 00:18, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Migration from Latin America to Europe

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This article mainly relies on primary sources, and seems to be a compilation of data that resembles original research. Furthermore, it lacks inline citations, and seems to be an indiscriminate collection of information. It also contains a quite a few peacock phrases, making me wonder about WP:NPOV.

It is possible that a legitimate article could be written on this topic, but this article isn't it. RGloucester — ☎ 03:13, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - if a topic is notable it's notable; there are entire books written about the subject.[16] Deletion is not cleanup. —Мандичка^YO 😜 18:18, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Plenty of sources, including 23 inline citations at this writing. Needs cleanup, obviously. – Jonesey95 (talk) 01:43, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep As the tags indicate, this article is problematic because of grammar issues and/or incomplete research. The subject is notable though and should be cleaned up. Tangledupinbleu chs (talk) 23:33, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - It's not a pretty article, but cleanup is preferable to deletion, as has been stated by others in this thread. Article meets WP:GNG; to delete the article now wouldn't prevent someone from writing about it again in the future. Better that someone improves and adds on to the existing article rather than have someone build a new article from scratch. GabeIglesia (talk) 00:03, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy keep, nominator withdrew their nomination and only delete vote was withdrawn -- GB fan 15:48, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Javier Pereira

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WP:NOPAGE concerns really. I'm not sure that someone who was allegedly 160 years old should have a separate page. Neither of the sources here qualify as reliable sources to me and while an obituary would more likely be considered WP:ROUTINE, it was in Time I guess. The talk page states that he was reported in the newspapers in the past so he may pass WP:GNG through that. Ricky81682 (talk) 02:26, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep There's a stamp in his honor [17] so fraud or not, there's almost certainly SIGCOV of him somewhere, if only in Spanish. EEng (talk) 09:23, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, I can live with that I guess. I'll withdraw the nomination. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 10:23, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

And the fanboys say we don't have open minds! EEng (talk) 11:25, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Nominator is trolling. No sources provided, unless the rumoured sources in Spanish are provided there is no reason to keep this article. 930310 (talk) 19:27, 15 November 2015 (UTC) — 930310 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. [reply]

One of the reasons that participation by SPAs, such as yourself, in the deletion process is problematic is their unfamiliarity with applicable policy and guidelines, combined with the fact that such familiarity doesn't seem to improve very much with time, because of a typical SPA's ongoing lack of experience outside of their restricted topic area. In the present case, a consensus of Keep doesn't require that appropriate sources be actually produced (though in practice this is usually what happens), but merely that the consensus of editors be that they believe, in good faith, that such sources exist. Because of the language barrier, and the commonness of the subject's name, it may be difficult to locate such sources without specialized expertise, and yet it's reasonable to believe that the subject of a government-issued stamp would be the subject of, at the very least, some official government announcement and likely consequent coverage in the press. And that's enough. EEng (talk) 21:22, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not really, if you can't prove that he escaped local coverage by citing reliable sources (which you don't) then there are no valid grounds for keeping articles such as this one. 930310 (talk) 12:16, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I'm confused. How am I trolling? Why are you voting delete on this article? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 23:36, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Cmon, Ricky, why do you engage nonsense posts? No one thinks you're trolling. EEng (talk) 03:21, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(A) I still assume good faith no matter what; (B) for whatever reason, no matter how bizarre the argument, discussions have been closed on that basis and (C) either 930310 is serious here in these discussions or this kind of name-calling is evidence that a topic ban is necessary. So I'm still waiting on a response on how it's trolling and why in all these discussions is this one that should be deleted? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 05:33, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Good points. So what about it, 930310, what's your evidence that Ricky is, as you say, trolling? EEng (talk) 06:17, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Easy. Ricky is voting for the deletion of well sourced articles about people with validated ages (meaning they have reliable age claims) and is voting for keeping articles that have no sources whatsoever and that are about ridiculous age claims that are not possible to attain as of now. And regarding a topic ban, I think you are much more suited for that EEng since you insult the people that the articles are about by statements such as "Delete and redirect to List of people who eat oatmeal", which you said here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Marcella_Humphrey. 930310 (talk) 11:58, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There are now at least six reliable sources in this version. You do understand that the GRG isn't the only reliable source in the world, correct? You do understand that this is an encyclopedia about more than just "people the GRG considers the world's oldest people" or "people that 930310 considers the world's oldest people", correct? In this case, the article indicates his notability based on numerous sources when he was found, including a number of newspapers, and the fact that there was a national stamp with him. Given the independent WP:GNG notability shown, the nomination was flawed on my part. The question still stands, why do you think this should be deleted? It sounds like you are voting delete solely on the basis that you consider the claim ridiculous, is that true? -- Ricky81682 (talk) 12:15, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Since there are now several sources proving that he was well-featured in the media I will withdraw my vote. 930310 (talk) 12:19, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was withdrawn by nominator. Reason: Snowball clause, merge is more appropriate. // Posted by larsona (Talk) // 03:50, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

ChampionsGate

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Notability is questionable. // Posted by larsona (Talk) // 02:18, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

It's notable because people live there. All towns people live in should be listed on site. Hundreds of people live there. It's not just a golf course,it's a community people LIVE IN like Reunion and Celebration Florida. I've seen towns with 50 people have articles. Why don't yall try to make the article better — Preceding unsigned comment added by RjTa0m3Yu10D (talk • contribs) 02:19, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

http://content.usatoday.com/community/tags/topic.aspx?req=tag&tag=ChampionsGate Proof it's very notable. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RjTa0m3Yu10D (talk • contribs) 02:40, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I beg to differ. It is not a city, but a hotel. If there was a Wikipedia page for EVERY hotel, Wikipedia would become a travel agency, not a encyclopedia. As it is, there is no major press coverage or any warrant for there to be any notability. // Posted by larsona (Talk) // 02:42, 15 November 2015 (UTC) P.S.... THose news articles you provided are from 2003/2004 and make no specific refrence to "ChampionsGate." // Posted by larsona (Talk) // [reply]

Its not a hotel,its a place people live (few hundred) .There are articles on this site for many communities (even sections of towns). Orlando Sentinel is a notable paper. Do you think that Ernston New Jersey is notable too?? It's staying — Preceding unsigned comment added by RjTa0m3Yu10D (talk • contribs) 02:46, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

If you can find solid evidence to prove your claims (a census report, a news report, etc.), then you would prove your claim valid and the article would no longer be considered for deletion. However, as of now you have failed to provide solid evidence as to the notability of this 'community.' // Posted by larsona (Talk) // —Preceding undated comment added 02:50, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

According to this the population is about 100 according to this http://www.realtor.com/local/Championsgate-Village_Four-Corners_FL/lifestyle there is also this http://roadsidethoughts.com/fl/championsgate-xx-osceola-census.htm, Wikipedia has articles for nearly everywhere people live in the US (even Ernston New Jersey, Brownville New Jersey) why the double standard.

The GNIS Codes ...

The current system of identification is called the Geographic Names Information System (GNIS). The following GNIS codes relate to ChampionsGate:

GNIS ID for ChampionsGate: 2013663

GNIS ID for Osceola County: 295748

GNIS ID for Florida: 294478

Misc. Census Codes ...

ChampionsGate is located in Census Region #3 (the South Region) and Division #5 (the South Atlantic Division).

For more information about the various Federal identification codes, please visit our Misc Page for ChampionsGate.

from the 2015 census of ChampionsGate : http://www.realtor.com/local/Championsgate-Village_Four-Corners_FL/lifestyle RjTa0m3Yu10D (talk) 03:04, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The information in your first link says that there is no census information available, and the information from 'realtor.com' is just an estimate. 114 people is out of the 26, 116 people in the Four Corners area; there is already a Wikipedia article on the apparently unincorporated area. There is no way that every community of 114 people has to have a Wikipedia article, and I still think you have failed to show the significance. Perhaps the best we can do is merge it into the article on Four Corners, but at that point someone has to add at least 50 more sections, and I don't think that would be you. Not every golf course deserves an encyclopedia page. // Posted by larsona (Talk) // 03:05, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The census is done every 10 years starting in 1970. Unless there's something I don't know about, there is no such thing as the 2015 U.S. Census // Posted by larsona (Talk) // 03:07, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry but this article is staying. Brownville (a section in Old Bridge), Sayrewood South (a section in Old Bridge have articles and they have no census for them either. I am sick of you people deleting everyone's articles. Championsgate has people living there. There was a 2015 census there too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by RjTa0m3Yu10D (talk • contribs) 03:23, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Warning: The following contains opinion: The creator's rationalle for keeping the page is almost the same as saying "over 100 people visit my local Walmart everyday... there has to be an article for that!" This is flawed logic. There are over 34k golf courses in the world, 45% of them are in the United States. Has Tiger Woods played there? How about Arnold Palmer? This would be an entirely different discussion if they have, but it would also be an entirely different article. The article itself fails to mention why it's notable, and the article creator can't produce any other reason than "people live there." Delete is my vote. // Posted by larsona (Talk) // 03:25, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ernston,_New_Jersey One last try, Ernston New Jersey is a NEIGHBORHOOD and it has an article, it past many smell tests to get where it is ,what makes Ernston more notable than Championsgate. Maybe consider merging Championsgate into Four Corners article?? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RjTa0m3Yu10D (talk • contribs) 03:27, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 09:14, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jon Mack

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I'm struggling to see how this actor/singer meets WP:GNG criteria. None of the film roles are major, while her band self-released an album which does not seem to have achieved any success. None of the biographical information is sourced (the info about the band is cited to a press release). A very large chunk was added by a PR company. Time to decide whether this one stays or goes... Sionk (talk) 00:57, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As per nom. I don't think she passes WP:GNG and no reliable sources available either. Theroadislong (talk) 16:18, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Not independently notable for sure and with no better signs of improvement. SwisterTwister talk 07:18, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Those 2 sources for whole biography article are not trustful for me and actress is not known among public. Itsyoungrapper (talk) 14:21, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Belton School District. (non-admin closure) Ya sh ! 06:29, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yeokum Middle School

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Non-notable middle school. Fails WP:ORG. clpo13_(talk) 00:29, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Per WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES, we do not normally keep articles about run-of-the-mill middle schools. The article is unreferenced and states that the school is closed. Although I would not object to a redirect, I see no obvious target. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 01:09, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Belton School District, was part of when open. Notifying Cullen328 in case he wants to update his comment. Rainbow unicorn (talk) 22:32, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment A redirect to to Belton School District is fine with me. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:38, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirecting schools that aren't independently notable to the school district article seems like a pretty standard outcome here. — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 22:48, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to Belton School District. WP:SCHOOLOUTCOMES (non-admin closure) ansh 666 12:29, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Belton Middle School/Freshman Center

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Non-notable middle school. Fails WP:ORG. clpo13_(talk) 00:29, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Belton School District - standard practice Rainbow unicorn (talk) 14:08, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 20:34, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Debtmerica Relief

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Company received routine listing in corp directories, "nth fastest growing" in 2009, and some local "best places to work" award; even the details of foundation and leadership are self-cited. Fails WP:CORP notability requirement. Brianhe (talk) 01:30, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete - Obviously not currently notable with no better coverage. SwisterTwister talk 07:18, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. non notable--and the references, such as they are, seem to prove that by the low ranking on the various lists . No significant coerage. DGG ( talk ) 07:20, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - non-notable, article spam. Creator seems to have made a few spammy articles over the years, some of which have been deleted, and made few edits otherwise. Probable COI. Citobun (talk) 13:27, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Sam Walton (talk) 00:04, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Franceska Jaimes

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Fails PORNBIO and the GNG. No awards, just nominations. Negligible biographical content. Only independent reliable sourcing relates to her marriage to her notable husband, falling afould of WP:NOTINHERITED. The Big Bad Wolfowitz (aka Hullaballoo) (talk) 16:09, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to List of Penthouse Pets - Without having done a large amount of research on the subject under consideration here, it seems like a redirect would be the best course of action at this time. Guy1890 (talk) 03:52, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as no evidence of notability, fails PORNBIO & GNG. –Davey2010Talk 01:09, 17 November 2015 (UTC)
Delete fails the notability guidelines for pornographic actirs.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:18, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Fails PORNBIO without award wins. Comes up short on GNG with most RS coverage primarily being about Nacho Vidal. • Gene93k (talk) 02:30, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. joe decker ^talk 06:51, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Charlie Donovan

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Non-notable baseball player per WP:NBASE. He was drafted into the MLB but never played a game. clpo13_(talk) 18:02, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete per WP:BASEBALL/N: He just graduated from high school, never actually played college or professional baseball, and does not have substantial coverage from multiple independent sources. The only remotely substantial article is the USA Today website one, because he was "Gatorade State Baseball Player of the Year" for Illinois, whatever that is. The other sources are mass-generated statistics pages or his family's own output. WP:NOTMEMORIAL. (Also, per WP:BDP, I'm removing the Death section, which consists only of a claim with a dead reference and an unsourced claim.) --Closeapple (talk) 06:50, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Comes no where near passing notability requirements for baseball.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:00, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not notable baseball player....William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 23:28, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete insufficient coverage. Vanamonde93 (talk) 06:00, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete. Michig (talk) 12:47, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Muhammad Abdul Qadeer Siddiqi Qadri

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Can't see the person's notability per WP:BIO. Authoring a few little-known books? Having translated Quran? Having students who published books? kashmiri ^TALK 21:17, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The person doesn't appear to be notable as a figure with a legacy in South Asian religious studies. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:21, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Weak keep. Googled for "abdul qadeer siddiqui" -wikipedia; 0 news hits and found only 1 short mention in a book (... Abdul Qadeer Siddiqui, the head of the Islamic Studies Department at the Osmania University, ...) Trying "abdul qadir siddiqui" got me more hits, including more junk hits but also this this (Maulana Abdul Qadir Siddiqui, formerly Professor of Theology in the Osmania University, is not only a practical Sufi, but also a noted thinker. Meyar-al-Kalam (The Standard of Kalam) and the Hikamte-a-Islamia (The Philosophy of Islam) are his original contributions to Islamic thought (...?)) and this snippet view (... Moulvi Abdul Qadir Siddiqui, Professor of Islamic Theology and Religion in the Osmania University, ...). Really pushing the "significant coverage" criterium here, but who knows what that second source has to tell beyond the snippet view. - HyperGaruda (talk) 07:36, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per the second source found by HaperGaruda. That alone does not establish notability, but calling him a "noted thinker" in an English-language publication suggests to me that there are probably other (undigitized, Urdu-language) sources covering him. --Cerebellum (talk) 00:50, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I believe two cursory mentions in two 1940s books, with no single mention afterwards, are rather a strong indication of lack of notability. If that person was indeed a notable scholar, he would have been the subject of many publications, in India and abroad, in the half a century passed since his death. Note that WP:NPERSON explicitely requires significant coverage. kashmiri ^TALK 21:46, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep per Source ^[1]

^ Columba Sara Evelyn (22 July 2011). Muhammad Abdul Qadeer Siddiqi Qadri. Fec Publishing. ISBN 978-613-5-71490-6.

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Delete for now perhaps as I would've also said reluctant keep at this time but there's simply nothing to suggest better improvement which the article seriously needs. SwisterTwister talk 07:33, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete dues to lack of coverage in reliable sources. The article links to a few websites, but the ones that aren't dead links are not reliable sources. The only GBooks hits seem to be Wikipedia mirrors. Edward321 (talk) 05:01, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - simply not enough in-depth coverage from reliable sources to show notability. For someone who other sources quote as being a "noted thinker" - a few hits on Scholar (if it is the same person), with Zero citations. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:55, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. WP:SOFTDELETE. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 10:59, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Soil Art Gallery

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Zero coverage, let alone significant lasting coverage, in independent soruces. One or two passing mentions in alt weeklies about artists and shows (not about the gallery)[18][19]. Most significant coverage is a paragraph in The Stranger in 2004.[20]. Insufficient depth of independent sources to meet WP:ORG. Dennis Bratland (talk) 01:25, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ya sh ! 02:00, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WWE Afterburn

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A highlights show, not notable in its' own right. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 16:03, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Aired for three seasons in syndication, WP:GNG is easily met. No true reason for deletion presented. Nate • (chatter) 17:06, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Meets GNG, WP:TVSERIES.LM2000 (talk) 21:06, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) clpo13_(talk) 00:03, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WWE Bottom Line

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A highlights show, not notable in its' own right. RealDealBillMcNeal (talk) 16:02, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep It aired on USA Network and in American syndication, and still airs internationally. A mediocre WWE clip show, but it's on the air; that's all it needs to meet WP:GNG for me. Nate • (chatter) 01:01, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It probably meets WP:TVSERIES requirements for notability, albeit barely.LM2000 (talk) 23:39, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 17:06, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

United Capital

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Not notable. The refs look impressive, but most of them really stretching it. Some are merely notices of funding. Some are press releases; some are self-serving interviews with the ceo. And some are so trivial as the ceo having been given an award as "Entrepreneur of the Year in Financial Services for Orange County. " DGG ( talk ) 20:46, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I think the Orange County award is due to it being based in Newport Beach. It looks like the award is actually a regional award from Ernst & Young [21]. However, that's still not good enough to establish notability. I did find several references outside of what was in the article. There are some about acquisitions and some about funding, but there are also many that talk indepth about the company [22], [23], paragraph in WSJ. Here is the news section on the company website which should help keeping it straight from other "United Capital" companies out there [24]. --CNMall41 (talk) 21:59, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - On a side note, the tone of the article pretty much falls in the promotional category so I would suggest a gutting or rewording of most of the content. --CNMall41 (talk) 22:01, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, per nom. Too many passing mentions and routine listings. I have also nominated Financial life management for deletion (here), because the phrase appears to be used exclusively as branding by the company. There might be a connection. Grayfell (talk) 22:05, 23 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete for now but restart later if needed as I haven't looked closely but I'm not seeing anything convincingly better. SwisterTwister talk 20:41, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Albeit weak, a couple of sources used are iffy and it's littered with puffery. Satisfies WP:GNG imo though but not written well at all currently. Suggest cutting all the over-substantiation. Jppcap (talk) 22:55, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 10:17, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

George Douglas Scott

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The article contains minimal content. The subject does not pass notability. The References only make passing mention of the article subject and do not infer notability directly upon the article subject. Ref 4 refers to the subject being one of a number of people who won an award - however winning an award does not by itself infer notability. There does not appear to be wide coverage of this individual. isfutile:P (talk) 15:33, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

One reference is Profile: Doug Scott of Tedco on Tyneside - is that a "passing mention"? All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:33, 8 November 2015 (UTC).[reply]

Speedy keep as nominations seems to be in bad faith. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:33, 8 November 2015 (UTC).[reply]

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Redirect to Queen's Award for Enterprise Promotion#The Queen's Award for Enterprise Promotion 2010. Even though the Queen's Award does confer some notability, there are guidelines other than WP:GNG to consider. For example, because all four of the sources cited in the article were published in the immediate wake of the award, WP:BLP1E becomes relevant. And so is WP:NOPAGE. Other than its discussion of the Queen's Award, all of the detail in the article is unencyclopedic -- where he attended university, his early jobs as a programmer and librarian, etc. Brief biographical data and a quote from the Queen's Award booklet could easily fit in a list of the 2010 awardees. By the way, the Financial Times profile was behind a paywall, so I didn't read it. But it is used only once in the article, as one of two sources for a paragraph containing biographical detail. Most of that detail could equally well have been sourced from the Journal article, so it isn't clear what additional information was being added by the FT profile. And finally, I note that the article Queen's Award for Enterprise Promotion (2010) already exists as a redirect to the article on the Queen's Award. Perhaps the better solution is to expand that redirect article into an article on all of that year's awardees, where brief biographical sketches on each awardee can be included. NewYorkActuary (talk) 19:16, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect for NewYorkActuary. Some say the award is good enough, some don't, so we can't really say that it means probable notability. The sources do not show major significance of individuals winning the award. Rainbow unicorn (talk) 16:55, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Won a Queen's Award that is only given to one person a year to honour a lifetime of promoting enterprise in the UK. This level of national recognition is sufficient in itself to establish notability.--Andreas Philopater (talk) 22:35, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:01, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Ederyn Williams

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The article contains minimal content. The subject does not pass notability. The References only make passing mention of the article subject and do not infer notability directly upon the article subject. There does not appear to be wide third party coverage of this individual. isfutile:P (talk) 15:33, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep subject is notable, awarded major national award - viz: Queen's Award for Enterprise Promotion.

...and WP:TROUT nominator for creating 8 similar AfD's in 7 minutes, clearly without applying WP:BEFORE.

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Comment The Keep comment does not respond to the lack of significant third party coverage raised in the AfD. Also, the comment above breaches WP:NPA and is not constructive. The articles submitted to AfD were detailed in another AfD https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nicholas_Bowen&oldid=686191498, by user User:NewYorkActuary due to the similarities in terms of lack of significant third party coverage. Perhaps the article author could attach sources which demonstrate significant third party coverage to satisfy notability. isfutile:P (talk) 17:45, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to award - lack of good coverage and the award doesn't mean probable notability. In a similar AfD, some found the award to be good enough, others didn't, that closed as no consensus so it's not really a strong reason for keeping. Other nominations haven't been speedy keep'd simply because of the award so they seem perfectly reasonable. Rainbow unicorn (talk) 16:34, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. I've added a couple of newly sourced details. I'm not fully convinced the Queen's Award for Enterprise Promotion is prima facie indication of notability, but it certainly adds to the mix. There are 10 awarded each year, with 1 lifetime achievement award (which I would definitely take as establishing notability). --Andreas Philopater (talk) 22:05, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:02, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Paul Davidson (business)

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The article contains minimal content. The subject does not pass notability. The References only make passing mention of the article subject and do not infer notability directly upon the article subject. isfutile:P (talk) 15:29, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep subject is notable, awarded major national award - viz: Queen's Award for Enterprise Promotion.

...and WP:TROUT nominator for creating 8 similar AfD's in 7 minutes, clearly without applying WP:BEFORE.

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Comment The Keep comment does not respond to the lack of significant third party coverage raised in the AfD. Also, the comment above breaches WP:NPA and is not constructive. The articles submitted to AfD were detailed in another AfD https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nicholas_Bowen&oldid=686191498, by user User:NewYorkActuary due to the similarities in terms of lack of significant third party coverage. Perhaps the article author could attach sources which demonstrate significant third party coverage to satisfy notability. isfutile:P (talk) 17:46, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to award - lack of good coverage and the award doesn't mean probable notability. In a similar AfD, some found the award to be good enough, others didn't, that closed as no consensus so it's not really a strong reason for keeping. Other nominations haven't been speedy keep'd simply because of the award so they seem perfectly reasonable. Rainbow unicorn (talk) 17:01, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 01:05, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Kenneth Nelson (businessman)

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The article contains minimal content is the subject is not notable. isfutile:P (talk) 15:27, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep subject is notable, awarded major national award - viz: Queen's Award for Enterprise Promotion.

...and WP:TROUT nominator for creating 8 similar AfD's in 7 minutes, clearly without applying WP:BEFORE.

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Comment The Keep comment does not respond to the lack of significant third party coverage raised in the AfD. Also, the comment above breaches WP:NPA and is not constructive. The articles submitted to AfD were detailed in another AfD https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nicholas_Bowen&oldid=686191498, by user User:NewYorkActuary due to the similarities in terms of lack of significant third party coverage. Perhaps the article author could attach sources which demonstrate significant third party coverage to satisfy notability. isfutile:P (talk) 17:46, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to award - lack of good coverage and the award doesn't mean probable notability. In a similar AfD, some found the award to be good enough, others didn't, that closed as no consensus so it's not really a strong reason for keeping. Other nominations haven't been speedy keep'd simply because of the award so they seem perfectly reasonable. Rainbow unicorn (talk) 17:04, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment How do we know anything in this article is true? isfutile:P (talk) 20:59, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I've added sources. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 22:13, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. WP:NPASR (non-admin closure) — Jkudlick ^tc_s 04:38, 7 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Murdoch MacLeod

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The article contains minimal content is the subject is not notable. isfutile:P (talk) 15:26, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep subject is notable, awarded major national award - viz: Queen's Award for Enterprise Promotion: therefore meeets WP:ANYBIO.

...and WP:TROUT nominator for creating 8 similar AfD's in 7 minutes, clearly without applying WP:BEFORE.

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Comment The Keep comment does not respond to the lack of significant third party coverage raised in the AfD. Also, the comment above breaches WP:NPA and is not constructive. The articles submitted to AfD were detailed in another AfD https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nicholas_Bowen&oldid=686191498, by user User:NewYorkActuary due to the similarities in terms of lack of significant third party coverage. Perhaps the article author could attach sources which demonstrate significant third party coverage to satisfy notability. isfutile:P (talk) 17:46, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to award - lack of good coverage and the award doesn't mean probable notability. In a similar AfD, some found the award to be good enough, others didn't, that closed as no consensus so it's not really a strong reason for keeping. Other nominations haven't been speedy keep'd simply because of the award so they seem perfectly reasonable. Rainbow unicorn (talk) 17:06, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete: I would have expected to find something about the subject, even in relation to this award, in the Scottish media, but searches on both the Scotsman and Glasgow Herald return nothing. In the absence of that, and clear evidence that the many recipients of this particular award each year are inherently notable, it does not seem to pass the WP:BIO criteria. AllyD (talk) 10:07, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Article creator has added the name Murdo MacLeod to the article and AfD find sources. Murdo_MacLeod is a popular ex footballer with many references and news listings who is not the same person as the subject of this article and AfD. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tonyinman (talk • contribs) 23:01, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
And is also the name of a photographer for the Guardian, and several other people. Finding references is not always easy. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 00:18, 18 November 2015 (UTC).[reply]
And also requires editors take care to ensure such references refer to the correct person it would seem. WP:BLP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Murdoch_MacLeod 86.165.112.158 (talk) 00:35, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Keep CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 10:20, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Simon Denny (professor)

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The article contains minimal content is the subject is not notable. isfutile:P (talk) 15:26, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep subject is notable, awarded major national award - viz: Queen's Award for Enterprise Promotion.

...and WP:TROUT user for creating 8 similar AfD's in 7 minutes, clearly without applying WP:BEFORE.

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 17:25, 7 November 2015 (UTC).[reply]

Comment The Keep comment does not respond to the lack of significant third party coverage raised in the AfD. Also, the comment above breaches WP:NPA and is not constructive. The articles submitted to AfD were detailed in another AfD https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nicholas_Bowen&oldid=686191498, by user User:NewYorkActuary due to the similarities in terms of lack of significant third party coverage. Perhaps the article author could attach sources which demonstrate significant third party coverage to satisfy notability. isfutile:P (talk) 17:47, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Google turns up plenty of ref content. Szzuk (talk) 15:19, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Where? I can't find any reliable third party sources.isfutile:P (talk) 16:10, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Queen's Award for Enterprise Promotion#The Queen's Award for Enterprise Promotion 2010. Receiving the award confers some notability, but the operative guideline here are WP:BLP1E and WP:NOPAGE. NewYorkActuary (talk) 07:46, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to award - lack of good coverage and the award doesn't mean probable notability. In a similar AfD, some found the award to be good enough, others didn't, that closed as no consensus so it's not really a strong reason for keeping. Other nominations haven't been speedy keep'd simply because of the award so they seem perfectly reasonable. Rainbow unicorn (talk) 17:08, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. Recently added sourced information on his research from The Guardian. --Andreas Philopater (talk) 21:27, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. does not meet WP:PROF (or the GNG) The Guardian item is a blog posting. DGG ( talk ) 04:19, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

There's rather a difference between a blog on blogspot and a blog in a national newspaper; I would regard the latter as the digital media equivalent of a column.--Andreas Philopater (talk) 06:20, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 10:24, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Timothy Allan

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The article contains minimal content and the subject is not notable. isfutile:P (talk) 15:26, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep subject is notable, awarded major national award - viz: Queen's Award for Enterprise Promotion.

...and WP:TROUT nominator for creating 8 similar AfD's in 7 minutes, clearly without applying WP:BEFORE.

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Comment The Keep comment does not respond to the lack of significant third party coverage raised in the AfD. Also, the comment above breaches WP:NPA and is not constructive. The articles submitted to AfD were detailed in another AfD https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Nicholas_Bowen&oldid=686191498, by user User:NewYorkActuary due to the similarities in terms of lack of significant third party coverage. Perhaps the article author could attach sources which demonstrate significant third party coverage to satisfy notability. isfutile:P (talk) 17:44, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Redirect to Queen's Award for Enterprise Promotion#The Queen's Award for Enterprise Promotion 2010. Even though the Queen's Award does confer some notability, WP:BLP1E and WP:NOPAGE need to be considered. If not for the Queen's Award, it is extremely unlikely that this article could ever pass the general notability guidelines. As for the subject's accomplishments after receiving the award, the sourced statements tell us only that he was a chairman of a museum and a member of a Chamber of Commerce. There is not enough here to merit a stand-alone article and a redirect is appropriate. In this regard, I note that the article Queen's Award for Enterprise Promotion (2010) already exists as a redirect to the article on the Queen's Award. Perhaps the better solution is to expand that redirect article into an article on all of that year's awardees, where brief biographical sketches on each awardee can be included. NewYorkActuary (talk) 21:45, 13 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - lack of good coverage and the award doesn't mean probable notability. In a similar AfD, some found the award to be good enough, others didn't, that closed as no consensus so it's not really a strong reason for keeping. Other nominations haven't been speedy keep'd simply because of the award so they seem perfectly reasonable. Rainbow unicorn (talk) 17:12, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Note there is coverage sufficient to meet GNG. For example: James Williamson (30 April 2014). "Chamber turn to Allan as new president takes reins".. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 16:19, 16 November 2015 (UTC).[reply]
Keep. Clearly a big fish in however small a pond Scottish property development might be. Press coverage of his activities *readily available on the internet* spans the period 2010-2015 in various outlets. ~~I've also seen mentions of him as FRSA but can't find confirmation of this from independent reliable sources freely available online.~~ --Andreas Philopater (talk) 19:26, 18 November 2015 (UTC) (editing)[reply]

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Delete. Consensus is that the award does not provide sufficient evidence for notability. Makes no sense to redirect to the award article, for it should contain only a list of the notable people who have received the award. DGG ( talk ) 04:35, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete--Ymblanter (talk) 09:37, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Asheesh Sethi

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Fails WP:BIO as I am unable to find any substantial coverage of this person in reliable sources. SmartSE (talk) 15:18, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete As per nominator.isfutile:P (talk) 18:42, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment needs local research, possibly in Hindi papers. There is certainly coverage. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:48, 10 November 2015 (UTC).[reply]

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Delete - Not independently notable at this time with no better improvement. SwisterTwister talk 07:18, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete minor businessman with nothing making him notable.John Pack Lambert (talk) 04:25, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The Bushranger _{One ping only} 10:48, 6 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Transparallel processing

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I am also nominating the following related page:

These two article were written by a single author, with only trivial edits by others. Transparallel processing relies strictly on primary sources, all cited to a single person (van der Helm). Transparallel mind cites a variety of incidental sources, but as far as I can determine the "transparallel mind" concept is only supported by the van der Helm sources. I did extensive Google searching and I could not find any independent Reliable Sources for them. They both appear to fail our WP:notability policy, and do not appear to have any recognized usage or acceptance independent of van der Helm. Alsee (talk) 13:25, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Two questions: (1) Do international peer-reviewed academic journals not count as Reliable Sources? (2) What would/could be the conflict-of-interest? Gumum (talk) 17:36, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(1) Research published in an academic journal is a Primary Source. Primary sources have caused a lot of problems for us in the past, so we limit where and how they may be used. Our policy on Primary Sources begins: Wikipedia articles should be based on reliable, published secondary sources. Secondary or tertiary sources are needed to establish the topic's notability. The short summary of our Notability policy requires an article topic has received significant coverage in (multiple) reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Transparallel processing only cites primary sources by a single author, and as far as I could determine the additional sources in Transparallel mind don't mention the that concept. My Google search turned up no independent sources to support either topic.

(2) Our Conflict of Interest policy begins with Conflict of interest (COI) editing involves contributing to Wikipedia about yourself, family, friends, clients, employers, or your financial or other relationships. Someone with a conflict of interest isn't the most impartial person to decide whether we should have an article, or how it should be written. I'll move further discussion of the COI software alert to usertalk. Alsee (talk) 15:55, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(ad 1) I understand the criteria. with which it is hard to argue -- except that it would be a pity to loose these well-founded alternatives to Quantum computing (which, unlike Transparallel processing, is not yet feasible) and the highly controversial Quantum mind idea. In other words, I hope for your clemency.

(ad 2) The general definition of COI is clear, but I don't see how it would apply to this particular case. That external link simply refers to anthropological information relevant to the subject. Gumum (talk) 08:52, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete both articles. Van der Helm's transparallel processing article was published in 2004. The ideas have not become notable (that is, written about in depth by people independent of the author) in the succeeding 11 years. Wikipedia is not a place to make things known. Articles here are about concepts that are already well known. StarryGrandma (talk) 06:37, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete The material has a whiff of crankery: I can't really understand what he is saying at all, then we come to the Example (stacking the pencils) which is mundane in the extreme (I and probably thousands of others have thought of it long ago) and hard to relate to the supposed subject. Lacking obvious notability I do not think this is WP-worthy. Imaginatorium (talk) 15:25, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I see no harm in informing the general WP public about an already feasible form of classical computing with the same computing power as promised by quantum computers (I don't think that Imaginatorium or many others have thought of that). However, I acknowledge that this page relies -- too narrowly for WP -- on primary sources. I already decoupled it from other pages, and as far as I am concerned, this page can be deleted. Gumum (talk) 19:10, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete due to lack of notability and sources. I am of the opinion that this does not pass muster. Tivanir2 (talk) 13:36, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) Ya sh ! 01:53, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Aaj Ki Baat

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Film of no note. KDS4444^Talk 09:57, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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And using WP:INDAFD we find "Aaj Ki Baat (1955)" "Leela Chitnis"

Keep Very rare in 1955 for there to be a female filmmaker in (caste and gender-driven) India. Being at the minimum sourcable as her "maiden voyage" as director this meets inclusion consideration even in the lack of online coverage 60 years after release. And while the guideline WP:GNG is nice, in the face of policy, it is not an absolute mandate.Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 14:04, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep This article needs expanding not deleting46.208.73.116 (talk) 21:06, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. Whereas the church is most likely notable, given that the article is almost empty and had copyvio from the first version (which needed to be revdeleted), it is safer to delete it. Everybody is welcome to start the article all over again.--Ymblanter (talk) 09:33, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

St. Philip's Anglican Church

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Unambiguous advertising, likely copyvio. No claim of notability Angry Bald English Villian Man (talk) 00:46, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

SNOW Delete Exactly why I PROD it, but you removed the PROD to nominate for discussion. Anyway I still think Delete. Creator seems to be related to the church too. Legacypac (talk) 01:09, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Clearly fails GNG and SIGCOV. Obviously copied from a "History of..." or similar. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 01:49, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy delete. Copyvio from http://stphilips.org.nz/stphilips/about/historygadfium 05:51, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - I have deleted the copyvio text, it's so blatant that it can't stay there. That does not of itself mean that the church is not notable or could not have a decently-cited article, just that this bit of copying is not it. Chiswick Chap (talk) 20:29, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete -- all we have now is a list of clergy, none of whom have articles: clearly NN. Peterkingiron (talk) 19:40, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment article as created was indeed a copy-and-paste from curch's website, probably by a well-intentioned parishoner. However, the church's 1902 building is old, by Aotearoa standards. It was given to a daughter parish, moved to a nearby town, then, when that parish merged back into St. Philip's, the 1902 building was given to a Maori congregation which, form what I can tell , still uses it. In other words, From all I can see, the original St. Philip's building is notable. With all the changes of name (of both parishes and towns that morphed into suburbs, and municipal boundaries) plus the fact that the building is called by all names of parishes, locations, and whatnot in sundry sources, I don't have time to deal with it. Hope someone in Auckland will. Cheers.E.M.Gregory (talk) 21:21, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) sst✈^(discuss) 18:24, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Carla van Raay

Doesn't meet Wikipedia:Notability (people). No notability is asserted as far as I can see. Three sources, two of which are primary. The only non-primary source is a review from someone who doesn't appear to be notable. -- Kethrus |talk to me 12:04, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete. Sources don't demonstrate sufficient notability. The Drover's Wife (talk) 12:17, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as I simply see no obvious better improvement. Pinging past users Wilhelmina Will and Robofish. SwisterTwister talk 04:01, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Sources I found about her and her books are:

Dempsey, Dianne (12 April 2008), "Desire", The Age

Carton, Donna (6 August 2006), "I was a NUN for 12 years... but left the convent to become a PROSTITUTE", The Sunday Mirror

Beament, Emily (29 July 2006), "Warts and all true story", Birmingham Post

"Books: AUTOBIOGRAPHY", Coventry Evening Telegraph, 22 July 2006

"Frank tale from nun and prostitute", Leicester Mercury, 19 July 2006

Millington, Ruby (7 July 2006), "Memoirs of a madam and a sex-worker nun", The Daily Express

Dempsey, Dianne (3 April 2004), "MEMOIR", The Age

Gill, Harbant (27 March 2004), "Beyond belief", Herald-Sun

Miraudo, Nadia (7 March 2004), "Spiritual journey from nun to callgirl", Sunday Times (Perth)

Clark, Lucy (27 March 2004), "Troubled path of a confused soul", Sunday Telegraph

Laurie, Victoria (21 February 2004), "Sister Double Act", The Australian Magazine

Simpson, Gavin (2 August 2003), "God's call girl.", The West Australian

Those with access can get more from AustLit eg. Enough for GNG. duffbeerforme (talk) 10:21, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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delete would WP:BLP1E apply here. She is only known for one thing. LibStar (talk) 05:46, 21 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

No it doesn't apply. A book is not an event. Coverage around that first book was maintained over an extended period, from over six months before it's release to years afterwards. She has coverage for more than one book. She maintained a profile to help publicise her books and for her work as a "counsellor, speaker and workshop leader" ("Carla shares lifes lessons", Comment News, 13 May 2008). duffbeerforme (talk) 07:19, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Another review of her second book -- Elder, Bruce (13 May 2008), "In short Nonfiction", The Sydney Morning Herald

Some online coverage BBC, Trouw

Dutch review of first book -- van de Ven, Door Jace (19 February 2005), "De lange weg terug van Carla van Raay", Brabants Dagblad

Coverage of a public lecture in the Netherlands -- van de Ven, Door Jace (12 March 2005), "'Ik heb nog bij jou in de klas gezeten'", Brabants Dagblad

Also reviewed in Issue Details: no. 263 August 2004 of Australian Book Review [25].

Multiple translations exist. [26] [27] [28] [29] [30]

Her first book has clearly "won significant critical attention" WP:AUTHOR and has sold over 300,000 copies. duffbeerforme (talk) 07:29, 24 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Notable as an author. I don't generally support using the GNG when it yields a result opposed to common sense, but it certainly does have a major role, as it does here, where it supports a common-sense decision in contrast to various quibbles,such as an attempt to extend BLP1E way beyond its intended meaning. DGG ( talk ) 03:14, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. as per DGG. Eden's Apple (talk) 17:56, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep generally our AUTHOR and similar guidelines are constructed to more or less consider coverage of works of a writer/artist as coverage of the artist, the topics tend to be pretty intermingled. (One can see AUTHOR as a reframing of GNG rather than an exception to it. In any case, that's been our usual practice.) DGG's comments on BLP1E are also on-point. Sources provided by Duffbearforme appear sufficient. --joe decker ^talk 06:51, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. The sources have been debunked and that hasnt been challenged. The keep arguments amount to assertion and there is a refusal to bring specific sources forward for examination. On that basis the delete argument is stronger but im willing to userfy. Spartaz ^Humbug! 18:45, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Complykaro

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Non-notable Indian compliance service provider, SPA-article. Sources are press releases, promotional marketing articles, and a few passing mentions as event organisators and interviewees. Article contains a lot of puffery and self-serving "we explain our vision" quotes (which could be fixed of course, if it was the only issue). Google search shows no other suitable sources for independent in-depth coverage. GermanJoe (talk) 17:32, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. I'm seeing a good deal of secondary source coverage amongst multiple references. Article itself may require cleanup and NPOV fixes, but topic itself is notable. — Cirt (talk) 05:55, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- @Cirt: Could you provide some examples of independent in-depth coverage about the organization please? I checked the current sources:

ref #1 appears to be self-written by the company founder (EP usually attributes own articles, this one starts with "Vishal Kedia ... informs that ...")

ref #2 is not accessible, but looks like an interview (which may contain additional independent coverage or not, impossible to tell)

ref #3 is a passing mention (interview quote)

ref #4 is a larger copy of ref #3, with 1 more interview sentence from the founder

ref #5 is not about the company, the organization is only mentioned in passing (and INVC accepts reader-contributed articles)

ref #6 is a self-written PR article (see the last 2 paragraphs)

ref #7 is a probably self-written summary for one of their own events (non-neutral language, site publishes reader-submitted articles, no author).

There is really not much independent coverage here, but maybe I am overlooking some other sources. GermanJoe (talk) 16:49, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I meant including searches at Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL and elsewhere, not necessarily in the article itself at present. — Cirt (talk) 22:35, 2 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as per Cirt, references don't have to be in the article (though it's helpful) to show that there's GNG. Megalibrarygirl (talk) 22:43, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment (as nom) - I have now researched possible new sources for the third time with no success, and looked closely into several of the offered Google news results and other possible references. I did a lengthy WP:BEFORE check and a complete source check. Cirt, Megalibrarygirl, could you please provide 2 or 3 specific examples for this alleged independent in-depth coverage, with more than just passing mentions or self-written statements from the founder? Based on the currently available sources, both in the article and online, this promotional article (written by a company employee by the way) fails to meet WP:GNG and WP:ORG. GermanJoe (talk) 00:17, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for now until a better article can be made. SwisterTwister talk 07:01, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per Cirt. Needs a rewrite but the writers on Wikipedia are stretched thin! (I'll do it, but only if there's a guarantee it won't be deleted!) --MurderByDeadcopy^"bang!" 01:34, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Userfy to MurderByDeadcopy - for his generous offer to bring this article up to snuff. Onel5969 ^{TT me} 13:59, 23 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Agree with Onel5969's suggestion. If other sources really exist - although none of the contributors here have provided any specific examples after several requests -, working on the article in draft or userspace may be a reasonable outcome (see also the current WP:VPP discussion about "AfD culture", which might be relevant here). GermanJoe (talk) 17:29, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) —UY Scuti ^Talk 18:10, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Antoine de La Fosse

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Subject does not appear to be notable. Searching "Antoine de La Fosse" on Google Books appeared to largely come up with editions of his works; on News, Scholar, and Web Search, nothing useful that I could see. I also couldn't see anything searching "Antoine de La Fosse" on jstor. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 17:37, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Weak keep: While one would scarcely guess from the sub-stub article (unless one takes the hint to look at the French Wikipedia article), the subject does seem to be just about notable as a playwright and poet - even if his reputation seems to rest mostly on just one play and one or two translations. But the play seems to have been popular for a century or so, the subject still gets entries in specialist but selective reference works (this and this, for instance), and this monograph focusses on the play at some length. PWilkinson (talk) 00:46, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep as clearly notable. I have fleshed out the article and added ~20 sources. @Caeciliusinhorto and PWilkinson: have another look. Sam Sailor ^Talk! 15:13, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Sam Sailor:: excellent work. The sources you found seem to conclusively demonstrate that my inability to find useful sources was user error, not lack of notability. There's also much more to work with for future editors, which is an excellent outcome all around. Caeciliusinhorto (talk) 15:24, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect to First World problem. There are only two "keeps", and the one by the IP has nothing to do with our inclusion standards, so we've got consensus not to keep. We don't have consensus about whether to delete, merge or redirect, however, and where to. So that part of the outcome is officially left open, and I'm editorially redirecting to First World problem on the basis of flipping a coin. This can be changed, and any relevant content merged, through further editorial action. Sandstein 19:20, 8 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Fallacy of relative privation

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Article for which thorough attempts to find reliable sources to verify them have failed Trumpetrep (talk) 15:43, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep. While "relative privation" seems like a recent term, it looks to me like the article was originally created with the title "Appeal to worse problems" and also describes the same concept as "whataboutery"–sense 2, as somewhat mentioned in the article's Talk page. I also believe the concept is an application of a fallacious combination of Argumentum ad misericordiam and Slippery slope (see [31]) but that's OR. Anyway, a broader sourcing search with those terms should likely turn up better support for the article's concept, although its title and lede might need some work. I should also mention that it appears "whataboutery" now redirects to "whataboutism", which is correct for sense 1 of this wiktionary entry but not sense 2, which is the one equivalent to "relative privation" and which has a cite there of a use in 1984. Metadox (talk) 07:37, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I don't see any coverage in reliable sources. Most, if not all, of the Google hits are blogs, forum posts, user comments, and Wikipedia mirrors. I've certainly come across this personally, but I don't think reliable sources use either "relative privation" or "appeal to bigger problems" to describe it, which means this fails WP:NEO. It could be redirected somewhere, but I'm not entirely sure where. Whataboutism or First World problem seem decent choices. This belongs on RationalWiki, not Wikipedia. Once it gets coverage in reliable sources, we can write an article about it. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:04, 12 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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~~Keep.~~ Delete and Redirect to Whataboutism. This is a variant of "First World problems," ~~and a quick google search reveals several useful sources, like this and this~~. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 17:24, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Notecardforfree: You should check the publisher when you quote sources from Google Books. Both of those sources that you provided are from self-published vanity presses, and they are completely unusable. Lulu.com even has an article on Wikipedia. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 02:47, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

NinjaRobotPirate I stand corrected. It was sloppy research on my part to not check the publisher of those books; mea culpa. I did a fairly exhaustive search and I found some reliable sources that use the term (see, e.g., this Huffington Post article), but upon further reflection, it looks like there is a good chance those sources borrowed the definition form the Wikipedia article. I have updated my vote accordingly. -- Notecardforfree (talk) 17:29, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Merge/Redirect to List of fallacies, where it is already mentioned (and, as far as I can tell, would be a fine home for it as it contains many other fallacies for which we do not have stand-alone articles). — Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 16:15, 28 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Looks like WP:OR as this is not a matter of logic, it's a value judgement. Andrew D. (talk) 17:40, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
KEEP:

I have needed this link countless times to dispel the appeal to bigger problems informal fallacy which is often waved about as a valid argument. I have seen this page referenced itself many a time on multiple discussion platforms (including Facebook).

If there is a public need and the page is being used, why delete it?

Somebody raised the issue of not all informal fallacies having their own page - perhaps this should be rectified so that they all do. Alternatively, perhaps they are not as commonly searched for or used, in which case there is no demand for individual pages.

This fallacy is completely valid as no one person has to care about one problem or the other in a mutually exclusive way. There is also the point that a worse problem of some kind will always exist at any moment in time. This does not mean we have the resources, power or singular directive to solely focus on this "one" issue over all others. All perceived problems should be considered of equal value of discussion.

86.175.78.64 (talk) 01:19, 5 December 2015 (UTC) Moved from the talk page--Ymblanter (talk) 07:47, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

To the IP editor: link this page instead. It's from RationalWiki. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 12:59, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete. -- RoySmith (talk) 14:42, 29 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Lester Ellis, Jr.

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Subject fails WP:NACTOR, as they have played only minor roles so far. WP:TOOSOON for a standalone article. Subject maybe mentioned in the personal life section of his father's article: Lester Ellis Jim Carter 19:15, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete as I see no better improvement. Pinging past users TheRedPenofDoom and GiantSnowman. SwisterTwister talk 07:07, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - notability not established. Giant Snowman 11:17, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as an improvable stub on a person who meets WP:GNG and whose easily sourcable career meets WP:ENT: Major character Mitchell in all six episodes of Ja'mie: Private School Girl, major character Johnny Tedesco in Fat Tony & Co., as Bryce Ridley in Wentworth Prison, major character Pete in all episodes of Nowhere Boys, and most recently as Joe in Downriver. Had his work been minor character roles such as "third man" or "student" or "man with newspaper", I might agree that WP:ENT was not met, but that is not the case. The inexperienced contributor Alicialivia could be encouraged to add the available sources to avoid scrutiny in the future... as sourcable notability is assured. This stub needs attention, not deletion. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 13:00, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

WOW - 6 WHOLE EPISODES!!!!-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 15:06, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

(READ IT) WP:ENT DOES NOT MANDATE THAT THERE MUST BE 200 EPISODES (OR ANY NUMBER OF THEM) IN ORDER FOR A NOTABLE SERIES TO BE DETERMINABLE AS NOTABLE OR THAT THERE MUST BE SOME MINIMUM NUMBER OF EPISODES BEFORE A MAJOR ROLE CAN BE CONSIDERED SIGNIFICANT. WOW INDEED.!!!! Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 15:43, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

MichaelQSchmidt While the burden was not mine but I felt the need to fix the article, I did what I could, maybe a bit hasty, a copyedit might require. I'm still worried that the subject may fail WP:ENT, the roles are pretty minor except "Ja'mie: Private School Girl", which may or may not be enough to make the article pass WP:ENT. However, this article may pass our general notability threshold. Pinging GiantSnowman and SwisterTwister to get more opinions. On a different note, Michael, your comment really looks exaggerated, please avoid capitalizing every word, it doesn't looks good. :) Jim Carter 16:53, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Jim Carter It was capitalized only in response to someone doing it to me right above it. Schmidt, ^{Michael Q.} 17:22, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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delete no evidence of in-depth roles to meet WP:ENT. LibStar (talk) 07:45, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep had a major role in one series,has potential46.208.73.116 (talk) 21:27, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - Even with the current improvements, I'm simply still not seeing enough convincing and IMDb especially summarizes his career well; not yet notable but feel welcome to restart the article when better solid. SwisterTwister talk 21:39, 20 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. Michig (talk) 09:08, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Saumya Tandon

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The article does not establish Tandon is notable. There is no significant coverage of Tandon in reliable sources; conversely, the article's content largely is not based on the provided sources. A Google News search found some celebrity gossip in the Times of India, but nothing significant enough to base an article on. Huon (talk) 19:34, 24 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep This nomination is a textbook case of WP:GEOBIAS. This would be equivalent to nominating Jill Wagner or Samantha Harris or Bruce Forsyth for deletion. Tandon is clearly a notable television personality in India. AusLondonder (talk) 09:13, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Then it should be easy to provide the references that discuss her in some detail. I tried to find some and failed. You're welcome to prove me wrong. Huon (talk) 13:44, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete for now unless this can actually be improved as I'm simply not seeing enough to convince me keeping (News and browser instantly found links but nothing convincing and IMDb was also not convincing). SwisterTwister talk 04:19, 27 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Strong Keep Saumya Tandon is a very very popular television personality in India. She is currently playing the leading role in a very popular television series Bhabhi Ji Ghar Par Hai! on a top Hindi language entertainment channel, &tv. If that is not notable, what is? I have no clue how this nomination came to pass. Crackjack (talk) 18:41, 28 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete unless better sources can be offered. I found a few articles in Times of India and Hindustan Times [32], [33], [34], but only the first one is substantial, and barely so. LaMona (talk) 19:52, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. The article needs some serious attention. There is certainly great room for improvements. If the issues remain and if the state of the article does not change, it can always be renominated. (non-admin closure) Ya sh ! 06:24, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Justin Brooks

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Appears to be entirely self-promotional. Main contributor:

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...appears to be a single-purpose account with a close connection to the subject.

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Weak delete Although this person seems to be doing interesting work, I don't think he passes wp:academics. No named chair, no awards that I can find, and his academic writings are cited a couple of dozen times only. LaMona (talk) 19:19, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: The subject might be notable - his h-index, according to Google Scholar, is only about 7 but that actually seems to be quite high for law academics. But, while it might be very weakly suggestive of notability, what it mainly establishes is that citation rates are an ineffective way to prove notability for law academics. Again, the California Innocence Project, which he apparently founded and leads, seems to be genuinely notable. But while I am seeing the possibility of the subject's notability, it is disappointing to find that the article does absolutely nothing to help establish the subject's notability, while doing everything it can to promote him - references all seem to be either to the subject or to organisations closely connected with him (sometimes OK for verifiability, almost never directly for notability) and we are given external inline links to websites connected with the subject when Wikipedia articles could be linked to instead. The article would therefore require a thorough rewrite to establish notability - other people are welcome to try, but I can't be bothered. PWilkinson (talk) 20:23, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment My grounds for deletion are not related to notability or lack thereof. I believe this is WP:SPAM which reads in part Articles considered advertisements include those that ... are public relations pieces designed to promote a company or individual. I don't want to be WP:OUTING anyone but a quick Google search convinced me that the main contributor has a close personal connection to the subject. SageGreenRider (talk) 22:10, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep he is clearly notable, not as an academic per se, but for his innocence project work and getting innocent people out of prison. Clearly meets GNG. --JumpLike23 (talk) 18:41, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

he founded the California Innocence Project. --JumpLike23 (talk) 18:47, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep He's notable. I searched Google News and the Google Newspaper archive, adding "Innocence Project" to the search terms. There are dozens of articles describing his legal work. Of course, the article ought to have more independent sources and would benefit from work by uninvolved editors. Our guideline against spam is intended to eliminate "public relations pieces designed to promote a company or individual." I do not see the article as purely a "public relations piece." Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 00:36, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus. The article has been improved since nominated. If the issues that support deletion still remain, this can always be renominated. (non-admin closure) Ya sh ! 06:19, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Noonan (Chief Trade Adviser)

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Non-notable individual. Does not meet WP:GNG. Does not have significant coverage across multiple WP:RS Zpeopleheart (talk) 20:18, 31 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No RS, not much information at all. Only one day old, but if editor is serious this should be done in draft space. LaMona (talk) 19:43, 1 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete Clearly fails GNG and SIGCOV. DerbyCountyinNZ ^{(Talk Contribs)} 03:00, 8 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep appear to meet notability criteria. I have updated the article - he is cited in NZ and Australian media, is well published, and holds a signficant academic position. The initial article did not do him credit NealeFamily (talk) 02:34, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The way the article now stands, there's enough evidence for notability. Schwede 66 18:27, 14 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep As per WP:ATD editing to improve the page is preferable to deletion. The examples added in show that with editing the page can make the cut. Markpackuk (talk) 12:58, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Delete CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 10:22, 30 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

UnitesUs

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Seems to fail the notability guideline at WP:CORP. The spammy corporatese could be eliminated with a rewrite, but sourced to what? Existing sources are not intellectually independent of the subject, but still are trivial and tangential in their coverage. I was unable to find anything better online. VQuakr (talk) 19:44, 7 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep - This UnitesUs article I believe does meet the notability guideline in section WP:CORP, specifically the section stating, “The organization or corporation itself must have been discussed in reliable independent sources for it to be considered notable.” New York Times, Fox News, and The Economist are reliable independent sources. Moreover, found within the Wikipedia:Notability (organizations and companies), under the Primary Criteria section, it mentions “If the depth of coverage is not substantial, then multiple[2] independent sources should be cited to establish notability.”, which again, the UnitesUs article has adhered to, listing at least 5 sources. Under this section, to make up for “trivial coverage”, the article has to list multiple [2] independent sources which should be cited to establish notability, which in fact the UnitesUs article carries out. Lastly, as for the “spammy corporatese” statement, the UnitesUs article was written in the same manner in which the CareerBuilder AND Yahoo! HotJobs Wikipedia articles were written. TonyAbba (talk) 02:03, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Three sources plus the same dead link used twice, actually. But 5, 10, or 25 sources would not meet the notability criterion if they were the same quality as the ones currently used in the article. There are two key problems with them is it pertains to assessing notability: they are not independent of the subject due to the financial connection, and they are trivial in nature (all tangentially covering the subject with the same three-sentence press release summary). VQuakr (talk) 06:17, 9 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless of how you interpret the rules of Wikipedia, based on what is stated on Wikipedia’s Notability (organizations and companies) article, this article adheres to what Wikipedia states as acceptable... despite it being “tangential” coverage in your eyes. There are multiple sources listed from reliable independent sources. TonyAbba (talk) 04:16, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Again, the sources are trivial and not independent of the topic. Sources would need to be presented that address both issues to demonstrate notability as discussed at WP:CORPDEPTH and WP:ORGIND. VQuakr (talk) 04:59, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think you understand that the sources were not published by IBM, which UnitesUs is affiliated with, but by third party, credible sources such as CNBC, New York Times and The Economist. Moreover, the WP:ORGIND article that you reference states "Sources used to support a claim of notability include independent, reliable publications in all forms, such as newspaper articles...". These sources used in the UnitesUs article are newspaper articles. TonyAbba (talk) 18:00, 10 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. Every source presented either quotes or closely paraphrases the same three sentences from this press release. Pasting in more sources that do the same does nothing to establish notability, because of the lack of both depth and intellectual independence. VQuakr (talk) 01:04, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Yup. Obviously if the subject wasn't notable, no other source would publish the information. Common sense goes a long way. Moreover, the UnitesUs article adheres to the 4 cardinal policies governing the admissibility of text in the main body of the encyclopedia, and only text conforming to all four policies are allowed in the main namespace:(Wikipedia:Neutral point of view, Wikipedia:Verifiability, Wikipedia:No original research) and the copyright policy (Wikipedia:Copyrights). TonyAbba (talk) 06:50, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for now and draft & userfy until a better article can be made. SwisterTwister talk 07:00, 11 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, —UY Scuti ^Talk 18:47, 22 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The references are clearly incidental mentions, not references providing substantial coverage from third-party independent reliable sources, not press releases or mere announcements. I would consider this almost an A7 speedy. DGG ( talk ) 07:19, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was Speedy delete g7, author requested deletion on article talk page. NawlinWiki (talk) 21:17, 19 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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No evidence of any notability. All the artist refs are Wikipedia articles. Two other refs are own web-sites and another is a very local source to Cedar Falls. Nothing here anywhere close to WP:GNG Velella ^{Velella Talk} 00:04, 15 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: Evidence of Notability - Request before article completion. Assistance from WP to properly cite and create reference. Citations updated. Edits to correct- still learning cite, systems and abbreviations. Notability is referenced and cited. Need wp assistance. Updated since find source request- added- updated third party sourced. Categorized — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kristay2017 (talk • contribs) 20:40, 19 November 2015 (UTC) This is my very first wikipedia article so I am learning as I post. I have taken my time, updating it daily as I do more research. New cites from third party sources added[reply]

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Delete unless better third-party can actually be found as I found nothing. SwisterTwister talk 05:19, 16 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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