Wikipedia:Featured and good topic candidates/Featured log/June 2007

Devil May Cry game series

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Devil May Cry (series)	Devil May Cry - Devil May Cry 2 - Devil May Cry 3: Dante's Awakening - Dante (Devil May Cry) - Characters in Devil May Cry

Through the efforts of a taskforce, the articles of this game series got huge improvements: all the three already released games are FA's, the main page and the characters are GA's. igordebraga ≠ 14:24, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

• Support All criteria seem to fulfill. My support goes to it. DSachan 04:59, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
• Conditional Support - It's great, I agree (I even promoted one of them to GA myself a bit back), but I'd like you to either rename the topic to "Devil May Cry game series" or get the manga, anime, novels, and music pages up to GA level, as they are all also in the navbox for the series. The topic as nominated covers the games themselves and the characters in those games, I'd like to see the topic name reflect that. --PresN 14:43, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment - I see the logic of renaming to "Devil May Cry game series" but wouldn't this then mean that Devil May Cry 4 should be included in the topic? CheekyMonkey 23:00, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment - There is some precedent for not including unreleased games, see the Final Fantasy topic not including Final Fantasy XIII. I don't believe that it should be included, as the DMC4 article, like others like it, cannot be gotten to GA+ as it is by nature fickle and unstable. After release, of course, there should be a limited time in which it can be GA'd and added to the topic before the topic is removed as incomplete, but before release the topic shouldn't include it. --PresN 01:09, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Reply - Fair enough, I can see it fits into the category of an audited article of limited subject matter before it's released. Thanks. CheekyMonkey 12:17, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

• Comment I'm unclear as to what the status of Devil May Cry (novels) and Devil May Cry 3 (manga) are in relation to this topic... Circeus 20:30, 12 June 2007 (UTC)
• Conditional Support as per PresN. This has to be either renamed or expanded. I think that Devil May Cry 4 could be included under the limited content clause, the article is referenced and free of junk. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 16:36, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
• Conditional support per above. — Deckiller 16:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
• Comment Condition is now met, fully supporting. I look forward to when you guys get the rest of the DMC pages to GA+ and can renominate them all together. --PresN 20:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)
• Support. Question: shouldn't Characters in Devil May Cry be a list? This is what is done with TV shows (see: The OC, Heroes, 24, etc.), and the Final Fantasy X and Final Fantasy X-2 pages were originally named lists (see: here, here); this would automatically make it immune from GA class. But as this paragraph starts, this won't put me off supporting; it all looks pretty tidy, but I do think this minor bureaucratic issue should be sorted out first. AllynJ 08:39, 17 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment - The characters article could be a list, it's true, but there's been a recent trend in video game characters to make them articles, not lists, as they have much more text than most lists, and it allows the addition of more information about the characters. The prototype for this would be Characters of Final Fantasy VIII, which is a featured article, not a featured list. In general, for things like this, I personally like to see lists for when each character can only realistically get a couple of sentences each for them, but articles when each one can get at least one or two good sized paragraphs about them. That's just my opinion, though. --PresN 11:17, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Comment - Exactly, just as PresN stated above there was nothing aganist it being a common list but we followed the influence of the Final Fantasy character pages and decided we could do a more informative article by following this format. -凶 01:41, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

• Promote. --MarcK 12:53, 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Christ Illusion

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Christ Illusion	Eyes of the Insane - Jihad (song)

I'm nominating this album topic to follow in the footsteps of Love. Angel. Music. Baby, the first album topic to become featured. The group is Californian metal band Slayer, and all the articles within the topic are FAs. While some may wonder at the modest amount of articles in the topic, Slayer aren't as notable as Gwen Stefani in terms of their commercial success and don't release as many singles as she does. Apart from the two songs already FA'd, none of the others have articles or warrant an article since they fail notability - other than being just album tracks, there's nothing else that makes them warrant an article. Most of the information as regards these album tracks that are without articles is already covered under the "Lyrical themes" section of the main article, and I feel there's no need to rehash info and create a few 2 / 3 sentence stubs. This is why I feel it meets the FT criteria, and hope you believe so. Thanks in advance, and I hope the articles prove interesting to read. LuciferMorgan 00:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

• Comment Support - What is the likelihood of any more singles being released from the article? If it's still considered "current" enough for another to be released then I think it could run in to problems, as it would take a while to bring another one up to FA class from it's article creation, and thus inclusion in the topic, date; which may prompt some to complain that the article isn't sufficient for the topic to be of Featured class. Admittedly this is somewhat brought on from the page at Cult (song) where one or two users created a page on it, but I'm not a fan and have absolutely no clue about the likelihood of their belief that this song is to be released as a single coming true.

With regards to your comments on the possible "lack" of articles in this topic, there really cannot be any complaints with regards to it simply having three articles: criteria 3 states that three is the minimum, which this fulfils; and as you say, the song stubs that could/would be created would fail WP:MUSIC.

About the articles, I have no problem supporting, providing my first sentence is addressed here. I noticed there was a rather heated debate on the Eyes of the Insane nomination, but I feel that these objections were adequately addressed and personally have no problems with the contents of the articles in question. AllynJ 15:44, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

The likelihood of more singles being released from the album is rather minimal since heavy metal bands only tend to release one single, or no single at all. If one did come out, it's most likely to be "Jihad" since guitarist Kerry King has stated in numerous interviews that's his fave song from the album. The user who created "Cult" also created a batch of other Slayer articles which fail WP:MUSIC, all of which were made into redirects. If a single got released, it won't be "Cult" since that was on the EP "Eternal Pyre".

It's now been nearly a year since the album came out, so it's doubtful another single will get released. If in the unlikely event another single got released, I could get that up to GA rather quick - it'd take me a few days if I really got stuck into it, as the majority of both "Eyes of the Insane" and "Jihad" was done in a few days. I promise that I'd GA any songs that were ever released as singles from the album (though I doubt if they will be). LuciferMorgan 16:03, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response, changed my vote to support. Good luck! AllynJ 16:16, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your support, and I hope your wish of good luck carries me through this nomination! LuciferMorgan 16:20, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

• Support. Three featured articles, fits the criteria; no-brainer here. MarcK 19:11, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your support, and I'm glad you feel it fits the criteria. LuciferMorgan 19:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

• Support looks like a clear topic, all FAs. Maybe get Eternal Pyre to GA and make a later expansion nom? Circeus 17:49, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for your support. "Eternal Pyre" being expanded and GA'd is certainly possible, and one that I have entertained - I'll 99% probably do this, and revolve it around the song "Cult". Whether it would be feasible to include though I'm not sure, as it's spoken about as if independent of the album. Other than the fact it previewed "Cult" to the world, the connection is tenuous in some respects. Apparently the criteria asks for the connection to be clear cut, so I'm unsure whether it would be possible for inclusion - I don't think so personally. LuciferMorgan 22:01, 6 June 2007 (UTC)

• Support Nice work. Quadzilla99 14:51, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
• Support, looks good. -- Phoenix2 ^(holla) 20:05, 7 June 2007 (UTC)
• Support - Three is a small topic, but it's whole and complete, and especially with all FA's it's hard to find any fault here. --PresN 00:41, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the supports guys, it's very much appreciated, especially since it took a good while for me to get them all to GA and then to FA. LuciferMorgan 10:30, 8 June 2007 (UTC)

Ah yes, I remember reading the FAC of Jihad (song). -- Phoenix2 ^(holla) 21:47, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

• Support Three deserving FAs, no gaps. This makes for a great featured topic. Jay32183 19:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
• Support per above. — Deckiller 16:52, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks for the support guys, it's real welcomed. LuciferMorgan 17:24, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

• Support Three featured, can't complain. Gran² 20:24, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! LuciferMorgan 21:04, 14 June 2007 (UTC)

• Promote. --MarcK 17:37, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Chrono series

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Chrono (series)	Chrono Trigger, Radical Dreamers, Chrono Cross, Chrono Break

Chrono (series)-Chrono Trigger--Radical Dreamers-Chrono Cross-Chrono Break

Previous nomination: Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Chrono series/archive1

• It's baaaaaaack!! After the fantastic efforts of User:Kariteh, the Chrono series article has gone from non-existent to a Good Article, so the contention that a lead article was needed are addressed, and it should now be all set for FA status! Judgesurreal777 22:15, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
• More than happy to Support. I'd even suggest you send the new Chrono (series) to Did you know?.

Circeus 01:07, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

• • Yay, it got featured on May 25th! Judgesurreal777 13:06, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
• Comment. would you mind putting up the relevant notification of nomination templates at the article talk pages and placing a link here to the original nomination please? Cheers, Witty Lama 01:51, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
  • Sure! Judgesurreal777 04:08, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
• Support - Oh wow, I didn't expect that so fast, I only saw that the series article was created at all a couple of days ago. Fully support! --PresN 05:46, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
• Support of course! The whole series is now covered, there's no obstacle to the FT nomination. Kariteh 11:56, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
• Support, a great example of a featured topic. Great work; perhaps the lead on Chrono (series) could be beefed up a bit, but no major quibbles. -- Phoenix2 ^{(talk, review)} 18:12, 21 May 2007 (UTC)
• Support. — Deckiller 16:41, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
• Support – Well done; that didn't take long. Although this is a complete topic by itself, I would recomend bringing the lists about Chrono Trigger up to FL status and adding them to the topic. I'd like to see all articles linked in {{Chrono series}} end up in the topic one day. --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 15:39, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
• Support wholeheartedly. --Slgrandson (page - messages - contribs) 15:52, 25 May 2007 (UTC)
• Support. Excellent work. It's also great to see that the FT process has led to the development of an overview article which wouldn't otherwise have been written.--Pharos 01:49, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
• Support. I've noticed that we have some great Chrono articles for a while now—glad the lead came together so quickly. Pagrashtak 18:35, 29 May 2007 (UTC)
• Comment: It would seem this is ready to be promoted, but what free use image could we use for the box? MarcK 09:52, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
  • Maybe Chrono Cross' producer Hiromichi Tanaka? Kariteh 13:41, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
    • That would seem a bit confusing to the layman reader, but it could work if we can't find anything else. I was thinking maybe a clock or something. MarcK 18:55, 4 June 2007 (UTC)
      • Yeah, there must be something. I'd use a free image of Masato Kato, as he's sort of the "heir" and main force behind it, but such an image has been notoriously hard to find. Zeality 01:24, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
• Promote --Arctic Gnome (talk • contribs) 01:21, 5 June 2007 (UTC)

Supplementary nominations

1. Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Chrono/addition1
2. Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Chrono titles/addition2
3. Wikipedia:Featured topic candidates/Chrono titles/addition3