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Is this account yours on the Simple English Wikipedia? --[[User:Thegooduser|<span style="color: teal">'''Thegooduser'''</span>]] [[User talk:Thegooduser|<span style="color: maroon">'''Life Begins With a Smile :)'''</span>]] <span style="color:red">🍁</span> 04:11, 21 February 2019 (UTC) |
Is this account yours on the Simple English Wikipedia? --[[User:Thegooduser|<span style="color: teal">'''Thegooduser'''</span>]] [[User talk:Thegooduser|<span style="color: maroon">'''Life Begins With a Smile :)'''</span>]] <span style="color:red">🍁</span> 04:11, 21 February 2019 (UTC) |
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i know why the steeelers have there logo on onlty 1 side if you wan't to know well look it up on google and it will say they were just testing of the didn't know what it would look like but i know the real reason so here it goes the steelers didn't know what the football helmet would look like all gold so the steelers maneger told jack hart to only put the logo on 1 side to see what it would look like. |
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oh and 1 more thing: i am an experenced hacker so don't even try to mess with me or else |
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IP frustration
I just vented my frustration at Talk:Laugharne regarding an IP whose over-enthusiastic, widespread and often muddled, improperly-formatted and unsourced editing is concerning. Can you offer any advice? Some edits are useful, but picking out the useful bits is almost impossible. The editor does not engage, and I don't know whether their talk page is even looked at. Thanks, Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 12:20, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- This has been resolved, for now (Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#80.5.1.159) by a block, so don't concern yourself with the above. Thanks, anyway. Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:32, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Tony Holkham, and thanks for leaving me a message here with your request for help and advice. It looks like this situation has already been handled, so I'll just give you input for situations like this in the future. :-) Even if one appears to be trying to edit in good faith, their edits can still be disruptive. If the user isn't responding to any direct feedback or messages left on their user talk page explaining their edits, the problem, and asking them to stop so they can discuss it and understand, and if the user continues to repeat the disruptive behavior - they can be blocked for it and regardless of intent. We obviously will try much much harder to reach out to the user, offer them help, ask them nicely to stop, and cut them much more slack compared to users who are engaging in vandalism or are editing in bad faith and in order to be malicious and cause disruption on purpose, but in the end... if the attempts fail and the problem continues, you should report them to the proper noticeboard so that the situation can be handled appropriately. In this situation, you'd file a report at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents. In the report, you'll want to describe the issues with diffs, your (and other editors') attempts to reach out to the user (with diffs), and include that they're probably good faith edits but the user is failing to respond to feedback. This will result in the issue being handled in the quickest and most complete way. In this case, blocking was the necessary next step in order to stop it. If you have any questions or need my input, advice, or assistance with anything else, please don't hesitate to message me here and I'll be more than happy to help. :-) Glad to see that this was taken care of. Have a great weekend and I wish you happy editing. ;-) Best regards - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 19:23, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you very much indeed for this advice; the situation was much as you describe, where all attempts (by me and others) to engage with the editor failed. I took no pleasure in reporting the editor, and certainly not in the month-long block, but I hope it may mean they will come back and collaborate in the spirit of WP if this has not put them off for good. Many of their edits were interesting and useful, if somewhat excessive, so in that respect it's a shame. However, I suspect they will not consider the block to be justified or their editing to be disruptive. We'll see, I guess. But thank you again for your sound advice and reassurance. All the best, Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:13, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Tony Holkham - I understand exactly how you feel. It does not feel pleasurable nor does it feel good or make you happy to have to report someone, whose making what seem to be good faith attempts at improving the project, to a noticeboard for what will undoubtedly be administrative action. As an admin who sometimes has to actually impose those blocks, I can say that it definitely doesn't feel any better on my side of the table and the decisions only become much harder. ;-) Unfortunately, these situations occur - and as you indicated, there are definitely issues that the user needs to work out. The ability for one to edit seemingly legitimately but fail to even attempt to respond to messages and warnings and try to improve their editing shows that there's more issues beyond that of making disruptive edits that the user needs to work on. As with yourself and any others who want what's best for the project: I also hope that the user can return and work with us to make things better. My talk page is always open to you, and you're welcome to message me any time if you need me for anything. I'll be more than happy to help you. I hope you have a great rest of your weekend and I wish you happy editing. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 20:21, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks again. The editor is appealing the block (User talk:80.5.1.159. They think it is just about the Laugharne article, when it is a whole stream of articles which have been edited unilaterally, sometimes helpfully, but without discussion, sometimes without sources, and sometimes with little relevance to the articles. There seems to be some difficulty in understanding that, despite earlier messages left, and if you could cast an eye on it all, I'd be very grateful. Maybe a comment from someone other than me might help them. Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:05, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Tony Holkham - Okay, I'll take a look right now. Thanks :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 21:24, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Appreciate your input. Perhaps the editor will realise it's not about me, or the one article, but about them. Let's hope. Tony Holkham (Talk) 00:06, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Tony Holkham - Any time. :-) We'll find out when the user's block expires. The ball's in their court... :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 00:09, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Appreciate your input. Perhaps the editor will realise it's not about me, or the one article, but about them. Let's hope. Tony Holkham (Talk) 00:06, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Tony Holkham - Okay, I'll take a look right now. Thanks :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 21:24, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks again. The editor is appealing the block (User talk:80.5.1.159. They think it is just about the Laugharne article, when it is a whole stream of articles which have been edited unilaterally, sometimes helpfully, but without discussion, sometimes without sources, and sometimes with little relevance to the articles. There seems to be some difficulty in understanding that, despite earlier messages left, and if you could cast an eye on it all, I'd be very grateful. Maybe a comment from someone other than me might help them. Tony Holkham (Talk) 21:05, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Tony Holkham - I understand exactly how you feel. It does not feel pleasurable nor does it feel good or make you happy to have to report someone, whose making what seem to be good faith attempts at improving the project, to a noticeboard for what will undoubtedly be administrative action. As an admin who sometimes has to actually impose those blocks, I can say that it definitely doesn't feel any better on my side of the table and the decisions only become much harder. ;-) Unfortunately, these situations occur - and as you indicated, there are definitely issues that the user needs to work out. The ability for one to edit seemingly legitimately but fail to even attempt to respond to messages and warnings and try to improve their editing shows that there's more issues beyond that of making disruptive edits that the user needs to work on. As with yourself and any others who want what's best for the project: I also hope that the user can return and work with us to make things better. My talk page is always open to you, and you're welcome to message me any time if you need me for anything. I'll be more than happy to help you. I hope you have a great rest of your weekend and I wish you happy editing. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 20:21, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you very much indeed for this advice; the situation was much as you describe, where all attempts (by me and others) to engage with the editor failed. I took no pleasure in reporting the editor, and certainly not in the month-long block, but I hope it may mean they will come back and collaborate in the spirit of WP if this has not put them off for good. Many of their edits were interesting and useful, if somewhat excessive, so in that respect it's a shame. However, I suspect they will not consider the block to be justified or their editing to be disruptive. We'll see, I guess. But thank you again for your sound advice and reassurance. All the best, Tony. Tony Holkham (Talk) 20:13, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Clarice Phelps
Hi. You took out some 51k of content including several !votes with - diff .Icewhiz (talk) 17:44, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Icewhiz - Yeahhhh, I'm an idiot. I didn't mean to do that... sorry. The issue has been fixed. Thanks for letting me know about it and I hope you have a great rest of your weekend. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 19:24, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
AfD revert
Is this really what you wanted to do? It seems to delete several days of conversation, so I reverted. Maybe you'll need to revert the links by hand. —Kusma (t·c) 18:10, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Kusma - It was definitely not what I wanted to do. Thanks for reverting that edit; I've gone back and made the change that I originally intended to make. I appreciate your diligence and your message. Best - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 19:25, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
You deleted my edit
It's ok to provide the citation for the edit. Thanks for letting me know. It's past midnight here and I definitely give you a full proof of my edit. KimNana v (talk) 20:07, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi KimNana v! You'll want to read Wikipedia's policy and guidelines pages on identifying reliable sources and citing content in-line. You will need to locate a source that's reliable and cite it in-line with the content you're adding in order to avoid issues. If you have any questions after reading through both of these pages, please let me know and I'll be happy to answer them. Thanks! :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 20:09, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- It's ok that you deleted my edit. Thanks for letting me know that a citation is needed. I will give a proof of my edit. You can firstly search about Martin Luther King Jr quotes in Wikipedia and find the following edit there as his quotes. If you need another proof I will send you pictures via email. My email is [REDACTED - Oshwah]]]. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by KimNana v (talk • contribs) 20:14, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- KimNana v - I appreciate your understanding. All we need is a reference to something reliable and you'll be set to go. No need to send proof or any photos; just a link to a reliable source that verifies the content you're adding is what we need. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 20:24, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- It's ok that you deleted my edit. Thanks for letting me know that a citation is needed. I will give a proof of my edit. You can firstly search about Martin Luther King Jr quotes in Wikipedia and find the following edit there as his quotes. If you need another proof I will send you pictures via email. My email is [REDACTED - Oshwah]]]. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by KimNana v (talk • contribs) 20:14, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Get Better Records
Hey, I own Get Better Records and I'm wondering why the page was deleted? thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexlichtenauer (talk • contribs) 21:06, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) Hi Alexlichtenauer, and thanks for leaving me a message here with your request for an explanation regarding the deletion of the draft article you created. There were many reasons for the deletion:
- First, the draft page was worded to appear like an advertisement or promotion of the article subject. Wikipedia is not designed to be used as a means for advertising or promotion, and all content needs to be worded to reflect a neutral point of view.
- Second, the content in the draft page you created appeared to consist entirely of text that was copied straight from an external website. Adding content copied and pasted straight from external resources is not allowed and is considered a a violation of copyright - even if it's closely paraphrased. All content must be added to Wikipedia by being summarized from the source and worded in your own words.
- Your message here also brings forward another issue in that you identify yourself as the owner of the record label that you're attempting to create an article for. This shows that you have a personal conflict of interest with the article subject. It is a violation of Wikipedia's conflict of interest guidelines to engage in the editing, expansion, or even the discussion of article subjects or specific topic areas where a conflict of interest relationship exists. Doing so taints neutral discussions and degrades the quality of the article content because conflicts of interest make it nearly impossible for you to reflect a neutral point of view when engaging in activities that involve the particular subject. Instead, you should contribute to articles and topics that interest you, but where no conflict of interest exist. You can always add this record label to the list of requested articles. If it's a subject that's notable, someone else will undoubtedly create and expand an article on it.
- Please let me know if you have any questions regarding the information I've given you here, and I'll be more than happy to answer them. The short summary I can give you is that you should focus on contributing elsewhere to Wikipedia, and not in particular subjects or topics that you have a conflict of interest with. Thanks again for the message and I wish you a great rest of your weekend. Best regards - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 21:23, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) Hi, please keep in mind that nobody "owns" any article here on Wikipedia. Please read WP:OWN and don't hesitate to ask for further help if needed. Best regards.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 21:20, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) @Wikaviani: I think Alexlichtenauer means that they own the actual record company/label, not the article about it. Bakazaka (talk) 21:24, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Correct - that's what he meant in his message. He wasn't talking about owning any of the content he wrote here. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 21:26, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) @Wikaviani: I think Alexlichtenauer means that they own the actual record company/label, not the article about it. Bakazaka (talk) 21:24, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Oh, sorry, i misunderstood the question. Thanks for your insight. Cheers.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 21:27, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Wikaviani - No worries, and no problem. ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 23:37, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Oh, sorry, i misunderstood the question. Thanks for your insight. Cheers.---Wikaviani (talk) (contribs) 21:27, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Does not look like a upage? --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 21:30, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thegooduser - It looks like the user is just using it to create, test, and improve graphs and charts. I don't see an issue with that. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 21:40, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Request
Hi Oshwah, I deleted Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/TheUs3r12 because the sock who created it outed another user. Can you suppress? Thanks!--Bbb23 (talk) 21:34, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Bbb23 - Done. Email me suppression requests privately next time; don't post them publicly. ;-) I know that you deleted the page first (thank you for doing that), but we have to keep requests for suppression (especially those that engage in outing violations) private from all eyes, since administrators can still view the deleted or rev del'd content until the visibility settings are changed. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 21:43, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks and will do.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:06, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Bbb23 - You bet, and no big deal. ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 22:12, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks and will do.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:06, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi Oshwah, can you change the block settings on all my alternate accounts to : Indefinite Block, Cannot Edit Own Talk Page, Email Disabled. And set the reason as : Per user request. Thanks, this is because some of the alternate accounts block does not list cannot edit own talk page, thanks. --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 22:02, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- IT is FOR the doppelgänger accounts ONLY. Thanks! --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 22:03, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- I also forgot to add to that list; account creation blocked. --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 22:06, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
urgent
This Ip 2600:1015:B125:E4E2:304E:4630:CA36:B97C is evading their block on 2600:1015:B148:3251:A15E:FCA4:ECE9:37D0. --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 22:39, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Blocked. --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 22:45, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for letting me know. I'm looking into the ranges that these IP networks are from. It's not the first time that abuse has been going on to the same article and from the same parent IP range or subnet... ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 23:33, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
IRC
Hi Osh, Morning. Advise needed. I have tried a few times using IRC. Ater I logged in and typed a brief message and yet no one replied. I am not sure I use it correctly. (I just sent you a message in IRC). Kindly advise. Thank you. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 23:52, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- CASSIOPEIA - Welcome! I just responded and pinged you in the #wikipedia-en channel. What IRC client are you using? Try sending messages to me or the channel again - I was able to receive your first one. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 23:55, 10 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks Osh. We met at IRC - it is nice to be able to have a live chat. Appreciate the link and cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 00:01, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- CASSIOPEIA - You bet. Just let me know if you need help with it and I'll be happy to lend a hand. Yes, IRC is definitely nice for live chats and getting urgent attention with matters that need it. Definitely a nice tool to be signed into and using while you're active on Wikipedia. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 00:03, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks Osh. We met at IRC - it is nice to be able to have a live chat. Appreciate the link and cheers. CASSIOPEIA(talk) 00:01, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you Osh - You are always so helpful and friendly. Will pop back if I have further question. Cheers . CASSIOPEIA(talk) 00:10, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- CASSIOPEIA - Always happy to help. :-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 00:10, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you Osh - You are always so helpful and friendly. Will pop back if I have further question. Cheers . CASSIOPEIA(talk) 00:10, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Thank you for suggestion - it worked!
Thank you for double bracket suggestion! I must be blind not to have figured it out myself :-) 174.116.84.40 (talk) 00:22, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi there and welcome to Wikipedia! No problem; always happy to help! If you run into any more questions, please don't hesitate to message me and ask. I'll be more than happy to answer them. Happy editing! :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 00:24, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
How to unblock my friend?
My friend on vn~wiki needs to be evaluated on en~wiki whether eligible how to unblock. His account name is user:Boyconga278. Can you explain him for process in basic English? --Pidgin EngIish (talk) 02:17, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Pidgin EngIish - Have your friend read through this page for instructions on how to request their account be unblocked. Let me know if you have any questions. Thanks! :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:19, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Your archiving at WP:RPP
Hi! Regarding this edit, why did you archive this request instead of adding {{RFPP|ar}}
? I think it will mislead other editors if you archive directly Hhkohh (talk) 08:57, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Hhkohh! Good question, and thanks for messaging me about it if I dun goof'd and I didn't do it correctly. From what I see on other request / noticeboard pages (like AIV or UAA), requests that are formatted differently or have a different resolution than a templated one don't get automatically by a bot. I thought that this was the way to properly archive an entry. I'll just undo the move and put it back so that I don't mess any "system" up... :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 09:00, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hhkohh - Done. The manual archiving I did has been undone and the request put back as it was before. Thanks again. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 09:03, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- So do you want to add
{{RFPP|ar}}
in the request? I saw your edit summary says handled.... Hhkohh (talk) 09:07, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- So do you want to add
- Hhkohh - Done. The manual archiving I did has been undone and the request put back as it was before. Thanks again. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 09:03, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Mention
Had to mention you at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case#Statement_by_Sitush, sorry. - Sitush (talk) 10:35, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Sitush! I was notified and read your statement. No problem! That's what was needed and I'm happy that you were able to go there and speak out. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 10:37, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Advice please
I have come across persistent editing with a strong suspicion of COI at Kingswood School. I'm pretty certain that I know who Sderrick82 is, and if I'm right they are [REDACTED - Oshwah]. I don't want to say more here (WP:OUTING). The person concerned is not responding to messages left on the talk page, not on their own talk page. I considered a rollback to get their attention, but that seemed to be at odds with the aims of the encyclopaedia. Can you advise how to proceed diplomatically here please? Regards, Martin of Sheffield (talk) 15:41, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Martin of Sheffield! Sure, I'll be happy to help you out. I'm glad that you're keeping Wikipedia's outing policy in-mind when handling this particular case; it shows a high amount of wisdom to do that. Just to make sure that we keep out of that realm entirely, I redacted part of your statement in your message. No big deal or anything; you didn't do anything wrong, but it's just better to be safe than sorry. ;-) When it comes to the actual edits this user has made: has this user violated any content or editing policies? Is the user citing reliable sources to support their changes? Does the addition of content appear to be original research? Since you've warned them already regarding COI, we should examine the user's changes and make sure that they comply with our policies and guidelines. If there are issues, go ahead and undo the edits and then talk to the user directly (just like you did with your COI message). Let them know exactly what the issue is with the user's edits, why, and then point them to the relevant policy or guideline so they can read it. Make sure to let the user know exactly how to contact you (I usually say, "click here to message me if you have questions", and with 'here' being a link to my user talk page); it makes it easy for the user to understand and know exactly where to click. Let me know what you find. I'll be available and active if you run into any more questions or concerns, or if you need my input or advice with anything else. :-) Good luck, and I hope you're having a good day so far. ;-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 15:51, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for the reply. The edits do not appear too problematic, apart from the instance of putting an advertising logo in in the image parameter. It is just the COI and the refusal to accept that the page is ours, not theirs. I'll reiterate the the messages if you think it will help, and if the logo was removed from the image area (I'll see if there is a free image online), then that might lead a response. Regards Martin of Sheffield (talk) 16:50, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Martin of Sheffield - Be careful with your statement,
"It is just the COI and the refusal to accept that the page is ours, not theirs"
(emphasis on the italicized words). Remember Wikipedia's policy on the ownership of content... The page isn't theirs, the page isn't ours, the page isn't yours, and the page isn't mine... All articles and their content belong to nobody! ;-) The reason I'm bringing this up is to make you aware of your exact use of words in your messages and comments. I'm sure you meant no implication at all regarding who owns what here, but if you catch yourself in a dispute or conflict with someone and you use the wrong words in response to the other person involved, it could cause it to escalate and become battered with accusations that you're trying to claim ownership and other silly tomfooleries. It can give someone the opportunity to twist your words or interpret them in a bad faith way and fire them back at you, so make sure to watch how you describe policies and certain sensitive matters so you don't put yourself in a position of having to defend baseless angry accusations instead of working to resolve the matter at-hand. ;-)
- Martin of Sheffield - Be careful with your statement,
- Thanks for the reply. The edits do not appear too problematic, apart from the instance of putting an advertising logo in in the image parameter. It is just the COI and the refusal to accept that the page is ours, not theirs. I'll reiterate the the messages if you think it will help, and if the logo was removed from the image area (I'll see if there is a free image online), then that might lead a response. Regards Martin of Sheffield (talk) 16:50, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Sure, that sounds like a plan. Keep me updated and let me know how things go. If you find yourself with any questions or needing any more input or advice, my talk page is always open to you. You are welcome to message me and post here any time you need or want to. Good luck with everything, and I'll see you on the project... :-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 17:19, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Noted. I emphatically meant "ours" to mean Wikipedia's, that is WMF and the community (which I try to be a good member of), in contradistinction to the school's. I'm well aware that I "irrevocably agree to release [your] contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License" as it says at the foot of the edit screen. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 18:15, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Martin of Sheffield - No worries, and I figured that's exactly what you meant. I wasn't mentioning this to you because your statement had me questioning your policy knowledge or anything; I mentioned it to you simply because of my experience here and to keep a friendly eye out for you. ;-) I've seen innocent statements like the one you made get mistranslated by heated and upset users in a dispute or heated discussion, when then blow it completely out of proportion. From there, they attempt to push their viewpoint or draw noise and distraction to the conversation and issue at-hand by attaching their (and everyone else's) full focus and attention to your "oh so horrible thoughts, and your uncivil attempts to claim ownership of everything". If you've been in an awkward conversation with someone where made an innocent remark or statement to them and had it misinterpreted and blown up in your face, then you know exactly what I'm talking about. ;-)
- Noted. I emphatically meant "ours" to mean Wikipedia's, that is WMF and the community (which I try to be a good member of), in contradistinction to the school's. I'm well aware that I "irrevocably agree to release [your] contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License" as it says at the foot of the edit screen. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 18:15, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not trying to scare you, say that this is how the community handles disputes, or even imply that you'll run into these kind of editors regularly or even occasionally. I've just seen and have had to step in, defuse, de-escalate, and reason with those kind of users many times. And if I can help you to avoid saying the wrong thing and keep you out of any potential toxic pitfalls like that in the future, then by God - I've done my job and it was well worth it. ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 18:26, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Appreciated, thanks. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 18:34, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Martin of Sheffield - No problem. If you need anything else, you know where to find me. ;-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 18:35, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Appreciated, thanks. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 18:34, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not trying to scare you, say that this is how the community handles disputes, or even imply that you'll run into these kind of editors regularly or even occasionally. I've just seen and have had to step in, defuse, de-escalate, and reason with those kind of users many times. And if I can help you to avoid saying the wrong thing and keep you out of any potential toxic pitfalls like that in the future, then by God - I've done my job and it was well worth it. ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 18:26, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
FYI: sderrick82 has got back to me on my talk page and appears to be receptive and communicative. Thanks for your advice. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 16:25, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- Martin of Sheffield - That's excellent news! Thanks for keeping me updated and for letting me know how things went. If you need my input, advice, or help with anything else, please don't hesitate to message me and I'll be happy to do so. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 16:26, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Hey, since you recently indef'd this user, I thought you should know about this account as well. I figured you'd know what to do, (if there is anything that needs doing). Cheers - wolf 16:12, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Thewolfchild! Ohhhh yeah; there's no doubt that both accounts are of the same user. Good call, and thanks for messaging me here and for letting me know about it. I've updated the block duration on the other account and set it to be indefinite, and included a note in the log. Let me know if you see any more tomfooleries that I should know about or if I can assist with anything else, and I'll be happy to do so. Cheers and thanks again :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 16:19, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Realization
Just realized that IP I reported to AIV that you blocked, 189.161.98.234, is probably a sockpuppet of Ghso ehwj (whose calling card is vandalizing Mexican TV articles with "BabyKids"). I think he may merit an LTA writeup. Raymie (t • c) 19:02, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Raymie - Okay, no big deal; I'll take a look and go from there. Thanks for letting me know! :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 19:07, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- I was unaware of the SPI tree though I had definitely seen some of his vandalism before. I can do the LTA if you'd like; I already did one for the Laredo AM power vandal. Raymie (t • c) 19:09, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Raymie - Yes, please do! :-) You're probably much more familiar with this LTA and their patterns and past accounts and IP users than I am. It would be greatly helpful if you could do that. Thank you; I appreciate it very much, and it helps a lot! ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 19:20, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- I was unaware of the SPI tree though I had definitely seen some of his vandalism before. I can do the LTA if you'd like; I already did one for the Laredo AM power vandal. Raymie (t • c) 19:09, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Hi again
Arkansas Highway System needs ip-protection. Cards84664 (talk) 19:48, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Cards84664 - Done. Semi-protected for three days, and pending changes protected for two weeks. Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 19:50, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Invitation
Hello, I thought since your always helping fight vandalism you might have something to say about this discussion A 10 fireplane Imform me 20:05, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi A 10 fireplane! Thanks for the invite! I'm gonna finish up some urgent tasks on my current to-do list, then I'll take a look. ;-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 20:48, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- No problem, thank you A 10 fireplane Imform me 21:14, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- A 10 fireplane - No problem. See the response I left there, and let me know if you have any questions. Cheers ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 21:19, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- No questions at all, thank you for explaining. And also sorry for spamming you when I thank you for your edits. I thank you everytime you beat me to reporting a username violation. Which is always A 10 fireplane Imform me 21:33, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- A 10 fireplane - No, don't be silly. :-) You're not "spamming" or anything at all with your messages and responses here. I appreciate your gratitude and I'm happy to see that my input was meaningful and useful to the discussion. If you need my help with anything else, or if I can do anything else for you - please don't hesitate to let me know and I'll be happy to lend a hand. ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 21:41, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Awesome! I definitely will. Happy editing A 10 fireplane Imform me 21:43, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- A 10 fireplane - And to you as well :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 21:52, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Awesome! I definitely will. Happy editing A 10 fireplane Imform me 21:43, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- A 10 fireplane - No, don't be silly. :-) You're not "spamming" or anything at all with your messages and responses here. I appreciate your gratitude and I'm happy to see that my input was meaningful and useful to the discussion. If you need my help with anything else, or if I can do anything else for you - please don't hesitate to let me know and I'll be happy to lend a hand. ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 21:41, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- No questions at all, thank you for explaining. And also sorry for spamming you when I thank you for your edits. I thank you everytime you beat me to reporting a username violation. Which is always A 10 fireplane Imform me 21:33, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- A 10 fireplane - No problem. See the response I left there, and let me know if you have any questions. Cheers ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 21:19, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- No problem, thank you A 10 fireplane Imform me 21:14, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
SCCY CPX-1 again
Hi Oshwah, 2 IPs have made the same edits again to SCCY CPX-1. Could you look into semi-protecting the article? Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 21:47, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi BilCat. I've extended the block on the IP user for two weeks. Lets leave the article unprotected for now (even if it's just a few hours) before we apply anything. This way, if the user attempts to IP hop and resume the disruption, we'll be able to not only catch it quickly, but also get the network information of their other IP ranges and block those as well. ;-) Let me know how things go on the page, and please ping me here if you notice tomfooleries continue to happen there despite my block. I'll make sure to look into applying protection today. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 21:51, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks. - BilCat (talk) 21:56, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- BilCat - You bet. I'll be around for awhile, so just give me a shout if shenanigans begin and I'll step in and handle it. Hopefully you won't have to, but you never know at times... people do crazy things just to make a point... lol ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 22:01, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks. - BilCat (talk) 21:56, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
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Joe Schlesinger
CBC News is reporting that Joe Schlesinger has died. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/schlesinger-obit-cbc-new-1.5014534 This link was added as a source to the Wikipedia article. Why in the world would you revert that and make the encyclopedia inaccurate by incorrectly changing his status to living? 199.119.233.139 (talk) 22:54, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi there! I didn't see that any URL to a source was added to the article. I'll check again, but I was pretty certain that the changes I saw did not reference a reliable source. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 22:55, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
- You're right - a source was indeed added to the article. I've restored the content of the article to the previous revision. Thanks for the message and for letting me know. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 22:57, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
A cup of coffee for you!
I'm sure being an administrator is tough work. have some coffee! Jeb3Talk at me here 23:22, 11 February 2019 (UTC) |
- Hi Jebcubed! Ehh, I'd say that it has its easy and fun moments as well as its difficult and not-so-happy moments... lol. I appreciate the message and the coffee! Definitely what I needed to keep me going ;-). ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 23:24, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Sameena Ali_Khan
Hi Oshwah
Thanks for reverting the vandalism on the page for Sameena Ali-Khan. The page in question is under repeated attack from fans of James Charles for a slight they wrongly attributed to her and are attacking all her social media. The latest IP 76.5.133.160 has made 4 attempts at vandalism over the last couple of days. The page has already had a 24 hour protection put on it 2 weeks ago, but still they come.
Just wanted to make you aware of the situation. I was hoping these "fans", would have got bored by now, but they are keeping up their campaign of hate.
I am currently updating her page and it's quite annoying. Just wanted to update you on the situation and your prompt response with the revert.
Thank You.--SmillieKylie (talk) 23:22, 11 February 2019 (UTC)
Is a range block possible?
Hi, hope you can help me with an IP-hopping spammer. Someone's been using various IPs in India to spam what is presumably their name ("Lav Parmar") and I was wondering if a range block is possible. These are the recent IPs that I've found:
- (active on 12 Feb) 157.32.178.242, 2405:205:C865:50CE:E9CD:76DA:664C:8754
- (active on 11 Feb) 2405:204:858B:D201:E59E:B2EE:BBA2:32B2, 49.34.164.75
- (active on 10 Feb) 2405:205:C84E:C82C:5855:68C:7A51:4B98
- (active on 9 Feb) 49.34.151.82, 2405:205:C881:141B:A05C:EBCB:71F1:2D90, 2405:205:C881:141B:1975:E451:BEF:42B6, 2405:204:8207:1430:61F0:A24E:7268:1803, 157.32.131.32
- (active on 5 Feb) 2409:4041:604:B0:E56E:E98B:E15B:8AD0
- (active on 4 Feb) 157.32.145.230
- (active on 3 Feb) 2409:4041:691:48D7:51BD:3060:5865:54AB
Thanks. Bennv3771 (talk) 14:01, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Bennv3771! Some of the IPs listed here are within the same range; others are not. This isn't going to be a simple matter of applying a range block and calling it good, unfortunately... The network ranges of many of these IPs are huge, and applying any kind of range block on them would cause major collateral damage and block innocent and uninvolved editors on these networks from being able to edit. How long has this been going on for? ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 14:03, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- I only discovered this spammer this month and they only make a few edits a day so it's definitely not worth major collateral damage. Hopefully they'll get bored and stop soon. Also, I'm pretty sure this account Apple.lavparmar (created in Feb 2019) is behind this based on this edit which added "Apple" along with the usual "Lav Parma". Anyway, thanks for the pages you protected. Bennv3771 (talk) 14:12, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Bennv3771 - Thanks for the response and the information. I've gone through the contributions of each IP user you listed here, and have applied appropriate page protection to the articles that were the target of multiple instances of disruption. This should hopefully help put a stop to the issue, as the range of most of these IP users are just too wide to block. I'm still looking into options and possibilities, but from what I'm seeing so far... blocks are an unlikely option. :-/ ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 14:22, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks, much appreciated. Bennv3771 (talk) 14:24, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- Bennv3771 - You bet; always happy to help. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 14:33, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks, much appreciated. Bennv3771 (talk) 14:24, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Bennv3771 - Thanks for the response and the information. I've gone through the contributions of each IP user you listed here, and have applied appropriate page protection to the articles that were the target of multiple instances of disruption. This should hopefully help put a stop to the issue, as the range of most of these IP users are just too wide to block. I'm still looking into options and possibilities, but from what I'm seeing so far... blocks are an unlikely option. :-/ ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 14:22, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- I only discovered this spammer this month and they only make a few edits a day so it's definitely not worth major collateral damage. Hopefully they'll get bored and stop soon. Also, I'm pretty sure this account Apple.lavparmar (created in Feb 2019) is behind this based on this edit which added "Apple" along with the usual "Lav Parma". Anyway, thanks for the pages you protected. Bennv3771 (talk) 14:12, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Sorry — Preceding unsigned comment added by रोहित साव27 (talk • contribs) 15:47, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
216.194.38.228
This IP user is a self-admitted sockpuppet User:TheManchoMan and has made several messages on my talkpage stating that he intends to vandalize transit articles, and that he would keep creating additional IP accounts to use to vandalize. He used User:24.39.129.50 to vandalize as well. Both should be given indefinite blocks. Thanks for reverting his edits.--Kew Gardens 613 (talk) 16:43, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Thanks, but we don't indefinitely block IP addresses. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:44, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- Given the history from this IP in the last few years, I've extended the block to three months. OhNoitsJamie Talk 18:22, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- Ohnoitsjamie - Thank you for handling this issue while I was busy and dealing with urgent matters on my plate. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 18:25, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- Given the history from this IP in the last few years, I've extended the block to three months. OhNoitsJamie Talk 18:22, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
Adding profile image
I'm just trying to set up a personal identification page, NOT trying to use this platform as a host. There's at least one other artist (in Europe) with the same 'alias' so I was attempting to set up a clear I.D. page here, that I can link to my website, etc. I'm also a scientist, and a student, and WILL be getting into posting, editing, etc., on here as well - I just need a hand getting going in a right way. Thanks! Blu — Preceding unsigned comment added by Blu Axsom (talk • contribs) 20:15, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Blu Axsom, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thanks for leaving me a message here regarding your user page and your plans with its use. So long as you understand that Wikipedia is not a web host, or a place to add social media-like profiles or information about yourself, nor is it a place for advertising or promotion - I'm sure that you'll be fine. You'll also want to review Wikipedia's policy on user pages (specifically, the section that outlines what is not allowed on user pages) and make sure that you don't have any questions. Since you're brand new to Wikipedia, I highly recommend that you go through and complete Wikipedia's new user tutorial before making any major edits or changes to articles or pages. It will provide you with many helpful walkthroughs, guides, interactive lessons, and other information that will be very helpful to you. Most users who take this advice and complete the tutorial tell me later that it was significantly helpful to them. Please don't hesitate to let me know if you have any questions or need help with anything. I'll be more than happy to assist you with anything that's needed. Again, I welcome you to Wikipedia, I appreciate your message and explanation, and I wish you happy editing. I also hope that you choose to stay awhile and help us by becoming a regular and experienced contributor and editor here! We can always use the extra eyes and hands. :-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 15:56, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Question
Hey, after you added protection to Iron Man, a bot removed it with the next edit and IPs have been disrupting it since. Would you mind taking a look? Thanks - wolf 20:18, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- User:Thewolfchild On reading this, it seemed like the bots have started the revolution as prophesied. Until I looked the settings and found that the protection was set to expire in 30 minutes. so the bots are still doing their job diligently, but the same cannot be said about Oshwah, who in all probability had fucked this up. --DBigXrayᗙ 20:24, 12 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thewolfchild, DBigXray - Well, darn... I had applied such a short semi protection duration because I thought that it would simply end after a few hours. In situations like these, where disruptive edits and vandalism suddenly appear on an article and an at a significantly high rate by many users - is usually due to attempts by a group of people a school or elsewhere to be trolls and cause a high amount of disruption. Applying semi protection for a very short duration in order to stop it - usually for only 3 or 6 hours, is plenty enough time for the users to quickly get bored, give up, and move on to doing something else. It appears that this didn't happen in this particular case and it's been continuing. I went ahead and applied semi protection back onto the article, this time for a week. If shenanigans and tomfooleries continue there after it expires, file a request at RFPP and ask for a longer-duration semi protection, or let me know and I'll be happy to take a look. Thanks for the messages, and I hope you both have a great rest of your day. ;-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 16:04, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for the details and PP. Well the 30 mins clearly didn't work. Good day to you too. --DBigXrayᗙ 16:08, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
- DBigXray - HA! Well, you could definitely say that I "fucked up" depending on how you look at it. The semi protection I applied didn't put a complete stop to the disruption, since it continued after it expired... but I did set a short length purposefully. ;-) Also, I'm not sure how you calculated that the semi protection I applied was for only 30 minutes (lol), as the time between when I set the block (19:47, 11 February 2019 UTC) and its expiration (01:47, 12 February 2019 UTC) is 6 hours. :-P ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 16:24, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
- In this this edit summary and its time stamp, the difference was 30 mins, so I said so. I may be wrong though. But whatever it may be, I still have faith in Oshwah which is why I said " in all probability", thus keeping an escape route open for me, in case that short duration was somehow intentional. --DBigXrayᗙ 17:09, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
- DBigXray - Well strategized; I like it. lol ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 20:15, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- DBigXray - HA! Well, you could definitely say that I "fucked up" depending on how you look at it. The semi protection I applied didn't put a complete stop to the disruption, since it continued after it expired... but I did set a short length purposefully. ;-) Also, I'm not sure how you calculated that the semi protection I applied was for only 30 minutes (lol), as the time between when I set the block (19:47, 11 February 2019 UTC) and its expiration (01:47, 12 February 2019 UTC) is 6 hours. :-P ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 16:24, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks for the details and PP. Well the 30 mins clearly didn't work. Good day to you too. --DBigXrayᗙ 16:08, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thewolfchild, DBigXray - Well, darn... I had applied such a short semi protection duration because I thought that it would simply end after a few hours. In situations like these, where disruptive edits and vandalism suddenly appear on an article and an at a significantly high rate by many users - is usually due to attempts by a group of people a school or elsewhere to be trolls and cause a high amount of disruption. Applying semi protection for a very short duration in order to stop it - usually for only 3 or 6 hours, is plenty enough time for the users to quickly get bored, give up, and move on to doing something else. It appears that this didn't happen in this particular case and it's been continuing. I went ahead and applied semi protection back onto the article, this time for a week. If shenanigans and tomfooleries continue there after it expires, file a request at RFPP and ask for a longer-duration semi protection, or let me know and I'll be happy to take a look. Thanks for the messages, and I hope you both have a great rest of your day. ;-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 16:04, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Page edits
Please contact me at [REDACTED - Oshwah], and I will explain why certain edits to a page have been carried out. I do not wish to discuss this in a public forum. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Briggsywiki (talk • contribs) 16:57, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
- Briggsywiki - Your reasons for making certain edits and changes to Wikipedia articles and content need to be discussed here and on Wikipedia so that the community can review it and weigh in with comments if they feel the need to. As you would obviously know and understand, Wikipedia's founding principles are based on openness and verifiability. It doesn't make sense to have such discussions outside of Wikipedia and over a different medium... else, how would anyone be able to fully understand, review and, evaluate the edits of others on Wikipedia? If you're unable to fully and properly explain your reasons for making the edit to an article or page that you're about to publish, then you shouldn't publish it. If you're trying to move this discussion to a private channel or medium because the reasons involve information or matters that relate to personal information, personal relationship or connection to the article subject, or other similarly private reason - then you definitely should not make edits to the particular article subject. Please see Wikipedia's guidelines on conflict of interest, as this may be relevant to the issue here. If you have any questions or concerns, please let me know by responding here - and I'll be happy to answer them, discuss them with you, and help you. :-) Thanks - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 17:17, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Anti-Vandalism Barnstar | |
Thank you for helping me on the vandal that was thebestfrom2005. TheWinRatHere! 17:02, 13 February 2019 (UTC) |
- Hi Thewinrat! Thanks for taking the time to leave me this barnstar. I appreciate it a lot, and it always makes my day (as well as my user talk page) a lot brighter! No problem; always happy to lend a hand. If you need my input, advice, or help with anything, please don't hesitate to let me know and I'll be happy to help. Thanks again; I hope you have a great rest of your day, and I wish you happy editing! ;-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 17:19, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Sory sir — Preceding unsigned comment added by Right 20000 (talk • contribs) 18:12, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Ahmed Shameel
Sory Sir Right 20000 (talk) 18:14, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
A cookie for you!
Hey, it's not a t-shirt. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 19:01, 13 February 2019 (UTC) |
- ToBeFree - LOL, and thanks for the cookie! :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 19:03, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | |
Congratulations on 400,000 edits, and not having a hobby (i guess). $5 dollars per edit please sir. Ⓩⓟⓟⓘⓧ Talk 19:04, 13 February 2019 (UTC) |
- Zppix - HA! Thank you. :-) I don't know whether I should be proud of this accomplishment, or feel sorry for myself... but yeah.... it happened... and there it is...... LOL ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 19:07, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
flindersia brayleyana edits
Flindersia brayleyana comment received, I have no idea how to use this response feature. You mentioned that the there should be a source related to the edit. The source is active logger who is harvesting the tree species in question and simply Wikipedia is wrong. Indeed the supported citation in fact contradicts Wikipedia's article sloppy or just ignorant?
This is a direct quote from the citation :
https://web.archive.org/web/20090624160410/http://www2.dpi.qld.gov.au/hardwoodsqld/8247.html
" Local name: maple
Tree description and natural occurrence A medium sized tree attaining a height of 40 m and 2.5 m in stem diameter. The trunk is usually well formed, circular in cross-section and not buttressed. The bark, which is approximately 12 mm thick, is grey to brown in colour. It has fairly distinct longitudinal fissures. In older trees these fissures are not so marked owing to a tendency to scaliness.
Restricted in its distribution to northern Queensland rainforests between Townsville and the Windsor Tableland."
Sorry I don't know how to respond properly here. I'm forester myself (dual degrees) and have edited a few tropical agroforestry books. Very glad to help clean up the tropical forestry stuff where I can but my time is a bit limited as I run a small business and have family duties and some volunteer work.
NativeVAspecies (talk) 19:36, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi NativeVAspecies, and welcome to Wikipedia! No problem! We were all new here once, and mistakes are certainly to be expected as you're learning the ropes and understanding the different policies and guidelines that Wikipedia has. The reference you provided seems to be good - it's from a government domain and it's an archive link, which will prevent issues from happening with the link to the source, such as it becoming dead or the information becoming degraded or changed. You just need to cite the source in-line and you'll be good to go! :-)
- Since you're brand new to Wikipedia, I highly recommend that you go through and complete Wikipedia's new user tutorial before making any more major edits or changes to any articles. It will provide you with many helpful walkthroughs, guides, interactive lessons, and other information that will be very helpful to you. Most users who take this advice and complete the tutorial tell me later that it was significantly helpful to them and it led to them being saved hours (if not days' worth) of time and frustration they would've experienced otherwise. If you have any questions or need help with anything, please let me know and I'll be happy to help with anything that you need. Thanks again for the message; again, I welcome you to Wikipedia and hope you enjoy your stay and become a regular and experienced editor who stays with us long-term. We can always use more members of the community! :-) Best regards - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 20:10, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
Sorry..wasn't clear. The current citation in the page presents the correct information. The wikipedia page is wrong and presents incorrect information though citation has correct info. I simply was quoting the original citation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by NativeVAspecies (talk • contribs) 20:21, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar | |
Am I too late to the party? Congrats on 400,000. You know how much of a help you've been. RhinosF1(chat)(status)(contribs) 19:48, 13 February 2019 (UTC) |
- Hi RhinosF1! No way, not late at all! Thanks for the barnstar and the kind words. I'm happy to be of help to anyone that needs it, and I'm glad to have the trust and confidence of the number of editors who come to me for input, advice, and assistance with difficult situations and issues. Thanks again for the barnstar and for your message, and I'm sure we'll talk again soon. :-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 20:01, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
- You're a credit to the community and an editor to be looked up to. We'll definitely talk again, your advice is always appreciated. RhinosF1(chat)(status)(contribs) 20:06, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
- RhinosF1 - I appreciate that, and I'm happy to be of assistance to the community. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 20:11, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
- You're a credit to the community and an editor to be looked up to. We'll definitely talk again, your advice is always appreciated. RhinosF1(chat)(status)(contribs) 20:06, 13 February 2019 (UTC)
User:WikiFortress
Hi Oshwah. I noticed at UAA that you declined the report ref WikiFortress, which I agree was not the correct venue, however, they appear to be presenting themselves as a place to report a "very dangerous vandal or hacker". See their userpage User:WikiFortress. I am unsure which venue would be suitable to report this. Do you know if this is actually something official, or someone pretending? Ta. Agent00x (talk) 17:44, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Agent00x! Thanks for leaving me a message here with your concerns regarding this account. No worries about the report at UAA; it happens, and it sounds like you understand why. At that particular noticeboard, the only thing that is looked into is the username of the account. I'll take a glance at some other things with the reported user as well, but mainly so that I can help direct you to the proper noticeboard to report the user. UAA reports that are filed are many times a reflection of other concerns regarding the account, but where the reporting user is just not feeling confident that their thoughts are correct. Regardless, If it's not a blatant violation of Wikipedia's username policy, the UAA report will get stamped with the appropriate decline response stating that the username is not a violation, and I'll usually always try to follow up with either some questions, or my thoughts and findings and exactly what noticeboard they need to take their concerns to. ;-)
- Let me take another look at the user page of the account, their contributions, and a few other things - and I'll follow up with you here with my thoughts about what may be going on. Stand by.... ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 17:57, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- Agent00x - Just following up with you as promised. :-) I agree that their user page and the Wikipedia page they created about themselves contains statements that are not appropriate, as they state things that are false and attempt to misrepresent him as a bot that's operating under the foundation and their direction. I left this message on the user's talk page. Give it a read when you have a moment; it explains exactly what I think this user is trying to do and for innocent reasons like just trying to "look official and look good", and that he doesn't understand the gravity and severity of what he's done and the impact it could have. I simply asked him to remove those statements, and explained exactly how it would be received by the community and interpreted. Hopefully this is all that we need to do, and the user complies and we have no further problems. But... having been here 12+ years, I know that this won't likely be what happens... but hey you never know! I've seen miracles and rare events before around here! ;-) Thanks again for the message and I hope you have a great rest of your day. :-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 18:28, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- no problem. By the way, it wasn't me who reported him to UAA, just came across him on my recent changes patrolling. Agent00x (talk) 21:36, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- Agent00x - Ahh, okay I got'cha. Still not sure about exactly what he's trying to do... I'll keep an eye on the user's contributions and see what happens. I'll definitely put this user's page creations and user pages as quite a bizarre one... lol ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 21:46, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- thanks very much :), and as above, huge congrats on the 400k and hope you have a great day :). Agent00x (talk) 21:47, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- Agent00x - Thank you! And I wish you the same as well. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 21:49, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- thanks very much :), and as above, huge congrats on the 400k and hope you have a great day :). Agent00x (talk) 21:47, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- Agent00x - Ahh, okay I got'cha. Still not sure about exactly what he's trying to do... I'll keep an eye on the user's contributions and see what happens. I'll definitely put this user's page creations and user pages as quite a bizarre one... lol ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 21:46, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- no problem. By the way, it wasn't me who reported him to UAA, just came across him on my recent changes patrolling. Agent00x (talk) 21:36, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- Agent00x - Just following up with you as promised. :-) I agree that their user page and the Wikipedia page they created about themselves contains statements that are not appropriate, as they state things that are false and attempt to misrepresent him as a bot that's operating under the foundation and their direction. I left this message on the user's talk page. Give it a read when you have a moment; it explains exactly what I think this user is trying to do and for innocent reasons like just trying to "look official and look good", and that he doesn't understand the gravity and severity of what he's done and the impact it could have. I simply asked him to remove those statements, and explained exactly how it would be received by the community and interpreted. Hopefully this is all that we need to do, and the user complies and we have no further problems. But... having been here 12+ years, I know that this won't likely be what happens... but hey you never know! I've seen miracles and rare events before around here! ;-) Thanks again for the message and I hope you have a great rest of your day. :-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 18:28, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
Talk page abuse
Hi Oshwah. You blocked Macedonia, our name is our right. It seems that the account is a sock. Someone is creating accounts to make unhelpful comments on the talk page of North Macedonia. The following accounts have made the same comment as that made by Macedonia, our name is our right:
- MACEDONIA United Independent (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- MACEDONIA (Republic) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- MACEDONIA (Country) (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
The older account is Macedonia United Independent. Ktrimi991 (talk) 18:47, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Ktrimi991, and thanks for the message and for providing this information to me. I've applied indefinite blocks to each of the accounts you listed here, as they all made the exact same edit to Talk:North Macedonia as the account that I blocked originally. If you spot any more accounts like these or if you see someone adding the same disruption to the page as these users, please don't hesitate let me know and I'll be happy to take care of it. :-) Thanks again for the message, and I hope you enjoy the rest of your day. Best regards - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 19:40, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response Oshwah! The article is attracting much attention because of the name change the country is undergoing. It seems that not all people touching that talk page are interested in contributing positively. If the disruption persists, I will notify you. Thanks again. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:10, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- Ktrimi991 - No problem; always happy to help. ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 20:14, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- I know, you are very kind :-) Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:24, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- Ktrimi991 - No problem; always happy to help. ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 20:14, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for your response Oshwah! The article is attracting much attention because of the name change the country is undergoing. It seems that not all people touching that talk page are interested in contributing positively. If the disruption persists, I will notify you. Thanks again. Cheers, Ktrimi991 (talk) 20:10, 14 February 2019 (UTC)
As you are uninvolved would you care to close this discussion? Dlohcierekim (talk) 04:52, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- Dlohcierekim - Sure. Give me a few minutes to wrap up what's on my plate and I'll head over there next. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 04:54, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- Dlohcierekim - The deed has been done. ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 05:21, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Jennifer Gates
Exuse me look up Jennifer gates horse riding, she is well known for horse riding not sliding a ball across the table. Please get your facts rights thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Judestev123 (talk • contribs) 06:26, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) Hi Judestev123. I'm not Oshwah, but perhaps I might be able to help. Is it possible that the Jennifer Gates who is known for horse riding is a different person from Jennifer Gates the curler? Often different people share the same name and all of the sources and information in the Wikipedia article is about a Canadian curler named Jennifer Gates. Wikipedia often has articles about different people who share the same name; for example, see Bill Gates (disambiguation) for a list of Wikipedia articles about men named or referred to as "Bill Gates".Now, if there are two Jennifer Gates (one who has a Wikipedia article and one who doesn't), then we don't add information about the one who doesn't to the article about the other one. It might be possible, however, to create a new article about the one who doesn't if it can be established that she is Wikipedia notable enough for one to be written. -- Marchjuly (talk) 06:51, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Notice of Edit warring noticeboard discussion
Hello. This message is being sent to inform you that there is currently a discussion involving you at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Edit warring regarding a possible violation of Wikipedia's policy on edit warring. Thank you. 175.137.72.188 (talk) 07:29, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Change in subjects
I changed it to nepal , which is his birth place . I dont think there is any reason to remove it. Please kindly consider it . It can be Koholpur nepal. Thank you . — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.6.176.114 (talk) 10:18, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi Oshwah! Please block this IP. ~Ruyaba~ {talk} 11:03, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
How much time do you sleep? 2 to 3 hours only? I have no words to describe your dedication. ~Ruyaba~ {talk} 12:58, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Declining unblock requests
I agree 100% with this unblock decline except for one thing: you should not have been the person to do it. Wikipedia:Blocking policy#Unblock requests says "Since the purpose of an unblock request is to obtain review from a third party, the blocking administrators should not decline unblock requests from users they have blocked." The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 12:11, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- Hi JamesBWatson! Oh yeah, I know all about that policy. I will respond and handle the unblock requests of user's I've blocked once in a great while, and usually in cases where the user is making them in order to be disruptive and troll. In those cases, I'll revert its creation and revoke talk page access from the user. This case obviously didn't fall into that exact situation, but I do admit that I'll decline them one in a while and when the case is extremely painfully obvious and it's clear that it would only waste the time of the reviewing administrator. I do understand and acknowledge the rule, though... it does exist for a good reason - so that objectivity and neutrality is inherently enforced by making us to defer to a different administrator to evaluate the block request... but my momma didn't raise no dummy, and I make no apologies for my decisions to revert and delete unblock requests by users that I've blocked because they were disruptive, blatant attempts to troll, and sometimes... just out-right horrible things to say..... or for declining them in situations where the request would only waste the time of the evaluating admin when I could've just declined it right then and there. Like I said, these are rare situations when I do this, but always for a reason I feel is legitimate. :-P ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 12:44, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, I understand everything that you say, but personally I think this is one case where IAR should be used only in cases where there is content in the unblock request which really must not be allowed to remain, such as serious libel. Even in a case which is "extremely painfully obvious" I think we should make sure that it is visible that a separate, independent, administrator has agreed, on the principle of justice being not only done but seen to be done. Despite what you say, I don't see any reason why this one couldn't have been left for another administrator. "Waste the time of the evaluating admin"? Yes, maybe about 5 seconds' worth of time. "Out-right horrible things to say"? No, not really: just the usual run-of the mill silliness that we get all the time in unblock requests. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:08, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- JamesBWatson - I do agree that you're right in your statements; it's policy and it's there for a good reason. There's no reason that it couldn't have just been left to someone else. I will stand behind my decisions (again, in cases that aren't very common) to revert and remove unblock requests that were made with the sole purpose of being a troll, and yanking talk page access on that user. It only takes me a moment to do it while I'm already close to it, and it's usually abusive unblock requests made by LTA sock accounts... lol ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 13:18, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, I understand everything that you say, but personally I think this is one case where IAR should be used only in cases where there is content in the unblock request which really must not be allowed to remain, such as serious libel. Even in a case which is "extremely painfully obvious" I think we should make sure that it is visible that a separate, independent, administrator has agreed, on the principle of justice being not only done but seen to be done. Despite what you say, I don't see any reason why this one couldn't have been left for another administrator. "Waste the time of the evaluating admin"? Yes, maybe about 5 seconds' worth of time. "Out-right horrible things to say"? No, not really: just the usual run-of the mill silliness that we get all the time in unblock requests. The editor who uses the pseudonym "JamesBWatson" (talk) 13:08, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
Kalpana Mohan Page
Hi, what was not neutral? The info was from the IMDB page. Pls explain. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yashkkaryan (talk • contribs) 14:04, 15 February 2019 (UTC)
cancelled my edit on Paolo Cherici
Hi, i've recieved a message that you cancelled my edit on Paolo Cherici's page because I did not add any reliable sources. I did not add any sources beacuse I personally know Paolo Cherici as I was a student of his, and the things that I added on the page were all based on my experience (I added that he is now retired but still active as an external teacher at the Conservatory in Milan. Thanks
As what I can see, is that it should be actually "Manila Metro Rail Transit System Line 9", but ignoring WP:CONCISE, Korean Rail Fan procedured not only a disruptive page move to "Manila Metro Rail Transit System Line 8", but also a disruptive change on the sources (see the page history and the second source of the article). As "Manila Metro Rail Transit System Line 8" doesn't exist, I've just corrected his disruptive edits, and please help revert his page move without redirect created, many thanks. Relevant discussion in Chinese Wikipedia (there is English). ΣανμοσαThe Trve Lawe of free Monarchies 15:20, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- Please assume good faith. (though I assmued bad faith earlier since his username is reminiscent of editing tendencies of a long time abuser back in zhwp.) I thought that when the Line 8 designation can be retained (I am open to this, but "MRT-8" as a combined term is not used to refer to the project. I have little interest to interfere with English community's decision. Once the deletion case back zhwp is resolved I'll revert part of my edits accordingly), the page itself should move to more frequently used title, like East West Rail (Project). But anyway, to usurp sources is not a correct practise. --Spring Roll Conan ( Talk · Contributions ) 15:48, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
- I actually dont mind to move the article in a name such as East-West Railway (Philippines) but again the move to Manila Metro Rail Transit System Line 8 is not done without at least a single yet official resource available online as reported by DOTr itself in the Arangkada Philippines International Chamber of Commerce forums on Road and Rail Transport [1] with the specific DOTr presentation at this link [2] as a measure of goodfaith given that it would be PNR and not LRTA who is the government partner in this, thus it would not be a part of the Manila Light Rail Transit System. Also being a Philippine transportation department employee myself, I can vouch for the legitimacy on my own with Manila Metro Rail Transit System Line 9, MRT-9, Line 9 or whatever 9 you might call it as the Metro Manila Subway. The reason the department has not been keen on releasing this info initially to the media is in order to prevent land valuation speculations in alignments to skyrocket and private developers to buy in before government does. Otherwise the data in at hand now and don't worry, we are also in the process of asking this to foi.gov.ph to have more sources later on.Korean Rail Fan 03:05, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Can you check a user ?
Can you check a user deepsighs. That person made edits on the page of Suki Waterhouse. It could be the same person who had multiple accounts before as saskia lou etc. greetings! Vdh m (talk) 16:32, 16 February 2019 (UTC)
Jesus
I would have to sadly say that you are misleading people because if you were going to put his name in English his name would be Joshua and you have to realize the letter J is over 500 years old that's it never know where is the letter j in the Hebrew or Greek language so would almost be like lying to people Ellijay you have I even seen it spelled with an i which mean is Zeus and if you say Jesus it would mean that hail Zeus so please fix your mistake this is not King James 1611 where the guy actually in there book is Cesar Borgia — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:48F8:1044:240:F964:466:50C2:9CD1 (talk) 16:40, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
- (talk page stalker) Please see the page on J, in particular where it says "The first English language book to make a clear distinction between ⟨i⟩ and ⟨j⟩ was published in 1633."[1] There is a distinction between the use of the glyph "J" and the sound which it now represents. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 18:04, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
References
- ^ English Grammar, Charles Butler, 1633
Sockpuppet Investigation
They closed my case and haven't even checked the IPs for EurovisionNim despite the mounds of evidence I gave them. Instead they end up finding out a sockpuppet account on a completely different person, this isn't the reason why I made the page in the first place. I'm not 100% know how this whole sockpuppet investigation system work but what else can I do? --Vauxford (talk) 16:57, 17 February 2019 (UTC)
Hello
2A02:C7D:38C:1F00:3CC1:486E:F050:20DA (talk) 10:16, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Kalpana Mohan Biography
I like to apologize for adding commentary as its violate neutral point of view. I request you to please accept the minor changes. It was the part of the earlier Biography before editing.
Career: Nehru often invited Kalpana, a trained Kathak dancer, to dance at the Rashtrapati Bhavan whenever dignitaries visited. Actor Balraj Sahani and Urdu writer Ismat Chughtai spotted the beautiful dancer and encouraged her to come to Mumbai and try her luck in films.
Filmography
1. Pyar Ki Jeet (1962), as Chitralekha | Romance | 1 January 1962 (India) Director Vasant Painter | Stars: Mahipal, Kalpana, Indira
2. Naughty Boy (1962), as Meena Sharma / Edna Wong | Comedy Movie Director Shakti Samanta, Stars: Kishore Kumar, Kalpana, Om Prakash
3. Professor (1962), as Neena Verma | Comedy, Drama, Musical | 11 May 1962 (India) Director Lekh Tandon, Stars: Shammi Kapoor, Kalpana, Lalita Pawar
4. Saheli (1965), as Reshma | Romance | 1965 (India) Director Arjun Hingorani, Stars: Pradeep Kumar, Kalpana, Vijaya Choudhury
5. Teesra Kaun (1965), as Shobha | Action, Crime, Drama Director: Mohammed Hussain (as Mohd. Husain) | Stars: Feroz Khan, Kalpana & Shashikala
6. Teen Devian (1965) as Kalpana | Musical, Romance | 10 December 1965 (India) Director: Amarjeet (as Amar Jeet) | Stars: Dev Anand, Nanda, Kalpana, Simi & IS Johar
7. Biwi Aur Makan (1966), as Geeta Director: Hrishikesh Mukherjee | Stars: Biswajit Chatterjee, Kalpana, Mehmood
8. Tasveer (1966), as Piloo | Director: J.B.H. Wadia Stars: Feroz Khan, Kalpana , Helen & Rajendra Nath
9. Pyar Kiye Jaa (1966), as Malti | Director: C.V. Sridhar (as Sridhar) Stars: Kishore Kumar, Kalpana, Shashi Kapoor, Mehmood
10. Nawab Sirazuddaula (1967) Drama | Director: Ramchandra Thakur Stars: Bharat Bhushan, Kalpana, Naseem Banu, Murad & Johnny Walker
11. Ek Bechara (1972), as Radha | Drama, Family | Director: S.M. Abbas Stars: Jeetendra, Rekha, Vinod Khanna, Kalpana, Pran, Bindu & Anwar Hussain
She has 11 films to her credits, all films are not mentioned in the Biography. I request you to please restore the info in a tabular format as original version with the hyperlink leading to the movie. The list is genuine.
I assured you this is not personal comment or commentary & does not violate neutral point of view. The info is available in the public domain. I can provide you with a link to verify the facts.
References Please add the link, as it was part of the earlier Biography. https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0436200/bio?ref_=nm_ov_bio_sm
I rest my case. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yashkkaryan (talk • contribs) 14:18, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Semi protection
Hi, I'm Jaxon and I was wondering why you protected "Splitting"? Thank you in advance! JAZHAZHANDZWIKI (talk) 17:15, 18 February 2019 (UTC)
Deleted page Draft:UltraPlay
Hello, Oshwah.
I would like to create a Wikipedia article about my company UltraPlay and already disclosed COI. Upon creation this message showed up:
A page with this title has previously been moved or deleted. If you are creating a new page with different content, please continue. If you are recreating a page similar to the previously deleted page, or are unsure, please first contact the user(s) who performed the action(s) listed below. 12:14, 18 October 2017 Oshwah (talk | contribs) deleted page Draft:UltraPlay (G11: Unambiguous advertising or promotion) (thank)
I would like to create a wikipedia article for my company without any advertising or promotion. Would you please provide me with some info on the case?
Ultraplay (talk) 08:59, 19 February 2019 (UTC) UltraPlay
May I ask why you protected Template:X1? It's a sandbox, and sandboxes aren't generally supposed to be protected. {{3x|p}}ery (talk) 18:32, 19 February 2019 (UTC)
Moving documentation for the PageCuration script
Hi! Would you mind if Wikipedia:PageCuration script were moved to User:Lourdes/PageCuration? The current location is slightly nonstandard for user scripts. See also the bottom of this discussion. Thanks! Enterprisey (talk!) 04:23, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Ticketcity Article Question
Hi Oshwah, I noticed you had previously showed an interest on editing a page I have a question about ( Ticketcity ). I have left an edit request on that page if you're available to help? Thank you NathanPeters406 (talk) 22:42, 20 February 2019 (UTC)
Is this account yours on the Simple English Wikipedia? --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 04:11, 21 February 2019 (UTC)
i know why the steeelers have there logo on onlty 1 side if you wan't to know well look it up on google and it will say they were just testing of the didn't know what it would look like but i know the real reason so here it goes the steelers didn't know what the football helmet would look like all gold so the steelers maneger told jack hart to only put the logo on 1 side to see what it would look like.
oh and 1 more thing: i am an experenced hacker so don't even try to mess with me or else