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French range block

Hi Oshwah, following up on this issue, the disruption has continued from the French IPv6 range. Short story: unsourced genre additions, genre bloat, genre warring and POV content. Examples:

  • Here adding unsourced "action" before "romantic comedy"
  • Here adding "action" to change genre to "action comedy", also added this problematic content: "with mixed to negative reviews from critics and it was recorded as a flop at the box office." The "mixed-to-___" phrasing is shunned by multiple WikiProjects (film, TV, video games) and obviously "flop" is not proper tone for an encyclopedia.
  • In the very next edit at that article they change action comedy to action drama. Clearly they are confused. Also, we don't need to say "action drama" since most action films are dramas. Bloat.

77Survivor has been dealing with this issue for a while now. The prior 36 hour block didn't seem to do the trick. Is there any way you could please look into the feasibility of a longer range block? Here are some of the recent IPs:

Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 14:37, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Oshwah, I'm the one dealing with the IP and it's back with a new one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/2A01:E35:8A13:2F70:40D0:6785:9900:327A.
This IP just undid every single vandalism I undid on the same pages vandalized by the above mentioned IPs and they all seem to be coming from one range. Now, the user has gone too far in the disruptive zone. Please look into the matter and do the needful. Thanks. (77Survivor (talk) 18:24, 21 May 2019 (UTC))[reply]
Hi Cyphoidbomb and 77Survivor! I apologize for the extreme delay responding to your messages here. I had to take some time away from Wikipedia in order to take care of some very important life events and obligations, and I'm just now getting back to Wikipedia and responding to messages, requests, emails, etc. :-) I'll take a look at the IPv6 range and make sure that no shenanigans are still ongoing. If they are, I'll apply a range block. ;-) Let me know if I can do anything else for you both and I'll be happy to do so. Cheers ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:35, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Cyphoidbomb, 77Survivor - Can you both do me a favor and take a look at the range's contributions and let me know if there's still ongoing vandalism or problematic edits that require me to examine it again and apply a longer block? There's a lot of edits that come from this range. I did a quick spot check on a few edits and didn't see anything alarming. I just want to make sure that there's ongoing issues for certain before I consider any administrative action. Let me know what you find. Thanks :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:40, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oshwah Hey man, sorry for the delay, I just noticed your ping. I still see the same stuff, typically unsourced genres like this and this and this. Redundant addition of "action drama", here and here where most action films are dramas. here. Introduction of widely shunned "mixed to ___" phrasing here, which also is an unsourced opinion. This grammar change doesn't make sense: "Starring Prabhas and Shriya Saran played the lead roles..." It's just widespread ignorant editing and there's no way to communicate with this person. Regards, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:01, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And more promotional "blockbuster" crap here, which I guess they didn't technically add, but they didn't technically remove for unsourced NPOV issues. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:29, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Cyphoidbomb! Thanks for responding and for letting me know. I went ahead and applied a 72 hour block to 2A01:E35:8A13:2F70::/64. The range is adding a lot of edits, so I want to make sure that I keep any collateral damage low. If it continues after the block expires, let me know and I'll do some more digging. :-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 00:10, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks O. @77Survivor: If you see more of these, would you please mention them to Oshwah and provide some examples of the same problematic content, from a few IPs if possible. Thanks, Cyphoidbomb (talk) 02:59, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Cyphoidbomb - No problem; always happy to help! ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 03:19, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Whew. When I read the name of this thread I was afraid that I wouldn't be able to get a croissant for breakfast tomorrow :-) MarnetteD|Talk 03:56, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Your breakfast is safe for now, MarnetteD... :-P ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 04:59, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi!

Hi Oshwah! Hope all is well; I thought I’d let you know I plan to update Huggle tomorrow afternoon and return to my counter-vandalism work, just like in the old days. :-) I’ve also just been appointed as President of one of the societies I regularly attend at uni (it is closely linked to the career I’d like to pursue later on), so I’m pretty chuffed with that 😀

Thank you so much for the message you left me recently, I greatly appreciate it and cannot wait to get back into the swing of things around here! All the best, Patient Zerotalk 23:59, 20 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Patient Zero! You're welcome, and thanks for leaving me a response here! It's great to hear from you! I'm happy to hear that you're happy and that life is treating you well, and I'm also happy to hear that you'll be returning to Wikipedia soon. It'll be great to have you back! Keep in touch, and let me know if I can help you with anything Wikipedia-wise. I'll be happy to do so if you do. :-) Until we speak again... ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:44, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No worries! It’s good to be back :) I will do - thank you very much! Best, Patient Zerotalk 11:42, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's good to have you back, Patient Zero! :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 11:46, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Recently Deleted Categories

Hey there - A few days ago you deleted two categories -- Category:Genocides and ethnic violence perpetrated by fascist regimes and Category:Persecution of ethnic groups by communist regimes -- citing only "G5" as the reason, rather than pursuant to CFD decisions. This came to my attention because I noticed a red-linked parent category on Category:The Holocaust, which I proceeded to remove. However, I then discovered that the deleted category had not been removed from any of the other subcats or articles -- and further, that you had also deleted another category created by the same editor, again citing only "G5".

Here's the problem: Both of the categories were created before the editor was blocked. And furthermore, according to the rules spelled out below, they should not have been deleted in any event:

G5. Creations by banned or blocked users
This applies to pages created by banned or blocked users in violation of their ban or block, and that have no substantial edits by others. G5 should not be applied to transcluded templates or to categories that may be useful or suitable for merging.

It seems to me that you made a fairly serious mistake -- which can, however, be easily rectified by simply reversing both of these deletions. (Far better than having to take it to Deletion Review.) Fortunately, you neglected to complete the deletions by removing the categories from all of the contents (as would normally be done) -- which simplifies things tremendously!

Please be kind enough to ping me when you reply. Thanks! Regards, Anomalous+0 (talk) 02:32, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Anomalous+0! I've restored the two categories in question. Please let me know if I can do anything else for you. Best - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:41, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your very expeditious response, Oshwah. Seriously, that was fast! Thanks for restoring those cats. Do you know if there were any other categories that you deleted by the same editor? Anomalous+0 (talk) 08:09, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Anomalous+0 - I believe those were the only ones... ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 03:20, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Anomalous+0 - My previous response above was not correct. There were four other categories created by the same user that I deleted. They were Category:Genocides in East Asia, Category:Genocides and pogroms in South Asia, Category:Perpetrators of crimes against humanity, and Category:Genocides in West Asia. I apologize for the incorrect response I provided to you previously (above), and I apologize for the delay following up with you here and letting you know. I had to take some time away from Wikipedia in order to take care of some very important life events and obligations, and I'm just now getting back to Wikipedia and responding to messages, requests, emails, etc. If these categories I deleted should be restored, let me know and I'll be happy to do so. Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:55, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your further reply/update, Oshwah. I kinda figured there were others. At this point they're pretty much empty, so not much point in restoring them. Thanks again, Anomalous+0 (talk) 10:59, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Anomalous+0 - Okay, I'll leave those categories as-is then. You're welcome, and again... I apologize for the delayed response and for taking so long to follow up with you and let you know that there were other categories. Please don't hesitate to let me know if I can do anything else for you, and I'll be happy to help. :-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 11:50, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Minor request

Hey, Oshwah,

I hope you are well. I have a minor request. Could you add a table of contents (I think it is {{toc}}) to your page? You get SO much traffic here that I am a talk page stalker when I'm around to see what's up. A TOC would make it easier to find discussions. Thanks! Liz Read! Talk! 03:12, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Liz, it looks like the table of contents is collapsed in a small pale yellow box just below the welcome banner (and before the first section). Hope this helps. Alpha3031 (t • c) 03:38, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Liz! Alpha3031 is correct; there is a table of contents located on the top of my user talk page - it's just collapsed. The contents list frequently grows to a length that's very long as more messages and requests come in, and the long table of contents list apparently started causing random issues and "wonkiness" to some users (according to the frequent messages I'd get). To avoid the trouble and the potential frustration, I just have it collapsed by default so that nobody runs into any issues and those who use it can continue to do so... they just need to expand it first is all. Cheers :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 03:04, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Gotcha. Thanks, Alpha3031 and Oshwah. I come across a lot of user talk pages with 300+ posts/discussions. So many long-term editors don't archive their user talk pages and leave years and years of messages on their main talk page. That's not the problem here, you are just very accessible and lots of editors come here to ask questions. I guess you can't help it if you're popular! Liz Read! Talk! 03:51, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

About Wikipedia:WikiProject Oshwah

Hi Oshwah. Just came across this while on speedy deletion patrol. You OK with this? PS: Hair are your aerials. Pete AU aka --Shirt58 (talk) 10:20, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) @Shirt58: I can't see a speedy tag, but it was a WP:APRIL thing eh  :) ——SerialNumber54129 10:45, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(talk page watcher) Yeah, probably needs deleting, or at least full protection, as it seems to be turning into a social page, much like a certain section of this talk page above. :) - BilCat (talk) 20:35, 21 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Shirt58: If there's any issue with keeping it, please move it to my userspace. I'd hate for my hard work to go to waste :P . EclipseDude (Chase Totality) 05:41, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Shirt58 - LOL. It's fine; I don't care. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 05:43, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Something is really wrong on the page

Why can I see the talk page with many many revisions deleted and the timestamps are wrong?211.26.200.179 (talk) 13:08, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Nothing is wrong. Oshwah deleted these revisions to remove information per Wikipedia:Revision deletion, more than likely to protect someone's privacy. This is something administrators, including Oshwah, have the ability to do when necessary. - BilCat (talk) 17:21, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think a mistake was made somewhere during the rev-deletions because most of the affected edits are certainly innocuous. Enigmamsg 23:05, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The edits are not rev-deleted, they've been suppressed. All edits that contain the content from the original edit through to when Oshwah removed it need to be suppressed in order to ensure there are no revisions contain the oversightable material.-- Jezebel's Ponyobons mots 23:10, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the clarification, Ponyo. I stand corrected. - BilCat (talk) 23:44, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry for the delayed response to this. Ponyo is correct; a revision that was added a week or two ago had to be suppressed along with any revision proceeding it that contained the information. I wasn't able to remove and execute the suppression until later (which will involve many revisions due to the activity level of this page). This is why so many revisions are inaccessible. Please let me know if you have any more questions and I'll be happy to answer them. Best - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 03:14, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination

Are you OK with me nominating you for bureaucratship? InvalidOS (talk) 18:10, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page watcher) @InvalidOS: Oshwah is only on sporadically right now, so I looked in his talk page archives to see if he's been asked this before. I found User:Oshwah/TalkPageArchives/2018-08#POV warriors at Caucher Birkar. See the last three posts in that section. Personally, I think he'd make a great bureaucrat! - BilCat (talk) 22:14, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I appreciate the nomination consideration, but I think I'd be considered too new of an admin to the community, and I highly doubt that I'd pass. I think, in a few years however, I'd consider accepting a nomination. ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:08, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
We know WP:OSHWAH would be in your corner, and it may be half of Wikipedia by the time you're nominated. :) - BilCat (talk) 06:05, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
You’re welcome. Honestly, it’s mostly because of the Enigmaman case. It seems like you would know who should have a user right revoked. InvalidOS (talk) 17:01, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Bureaucrats do not revoke admin rights except in a few situations. A)If directed to do so by ArbCom B)If inactive C)If user requests it themselves. Their primary role as it relates to sysops is to evaluate consensus at RfA. Enigmamsg 17:24, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That is true. InvalidOS (talk) 15:01, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
DrewieStewie - Enigmaman is correct with his response above. While bureaucrats have the technical ability to grant and revoke the administrator user rights from an account, they do not get to do this freely and whenever they want to... lol. :-) They only get to revoke the administrator user rights during situations outlined here (basically the situations Enigmaman listed in his response above). There was even a somewhat-recent arbitration case here where bureaucrat and his/her use of the tools were involved and a topic of discussion. An administrator had blocked another administrator due to disruption, and the blocked admin was repeatedly unblocking himself - which was a big no-no and absolutely against policy to do at the time (this has since been fixed by the Wikimedia software and unblocking yourself no longer possible to do if issued by someone else). A bureaucrat was actively witnessing this event, saw that the admin was repeatedly unblocking himself against policy, and revoked his administrator user rights. Whether or not the situation was a clear abuse of administrator power and enough for a bureaucrat to step in and revoke the user's admin rights is still up for debate, but the reason the bureaucrat became a topic of discussion in the arbitration case was because he/she revoked administrator rights from an account outside of the acceptable list of situations defined in the bureaucrat policy. The bureaucrat did not end up being the subject of any kind of remedy or sanctions by the arbitration committee in that case, but he/she was in a position where they definitely could have been. In short, revoking an admin's user rights - even in situations where the need to do so seems very clear to a bureaucrat - can get you into a very deep hole of trouble if it turns out that the use of the tools was inappropriate or the result of a bad judgment call. ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 05:33, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Honestly, @Oshwah: given your rights, computer knowledge, level of trust, Wikipedia record, resourcefulness, kindness, and handling of serious situations like with the Enigmaman case, I think you'd have heavy support for Bureaucratship. I would definitely support, time isnt always much of a factor. You seem ready to pass. :) Honestly, regardless of sooner or later, I would love to be the nominator, I think I can write a great nomination paragraph. :) My only concern would be finding a time where you'd be active and responding to the RFB. DrewieStewie (talk) 03:54, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'd support, providing you'd get a haircut and wear a suit. Dusti*Let's talk!* 04:35, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Remember what happened to Samson once Delilah had cut his hair. Martin of Sheffield (talk) 10:05, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
LOL. Do I want to ask? ... :-P ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 03:16, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
DrewieStewie - I appreciate your very kind words and I'm sure that I'd make a great bureaucrat if given the opportunity. However, that's up to the community more-so than myself (obviously... lol). I think that I should wait for some time to pass before I consider accepting such a nomination. Like I said previously: I haven't been an administrator for very long (only about three years), which can be a reason for someone to oppose. I also don't participate heavily in bot-related areas as much as I should be, which would be a cause for concern to others, since that lowers my potential argument regarding the need for the tools. I do participate heavily in administrative areas internally, which would be a big plus - I'd be quite involved with determining consensus with RFA closures and in crat chat discussions regarding RFAs that are in the discretionary zone. Overall, if I were to want any RFB to succeed in the future, the best thing I can do for myself (and those who would support me) is to wait and revisit the possibility down the line after I've gained more essential demonstrable experience in key areas. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 03:30, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wonderful observation! Great points, lets let some time pass. Keep doing what you do great and geep gaining experience, you can only go up from here, which you're already at a high point :) DrewieStewie (talk) 04:01, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
DrewieStewie - Sounds like a good plan. ;-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 08:14, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like this is going to wait a little while. I hope to see you become a bureaucrat at some point. InvalidOS (talk) 11:13, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
InvalidOS - Someday, I'll consider it if the idea is presented to me down the road... I'm not in any kind of rush at all. :-) I mean, in the end... it just allows me to grant and revoke a few extra user rights from user accounts that I couldn't modify before (on a technical standpoint). It's not like I can't contribute and help around here with the user rights I already have... lol ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 14:56, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User:Josephbernardlim

I just wanted to drop by and let you know that [[User:|Josephbernardlim]] has continued to make unsourced contributions after your warning. Many of them seem to be focused on Asian languages, particularly Filipino. I'm not aware of whether this distinction is controversial, but it seems like something to keep an eye on. I'm not sure that they deserve to be blocked, but they have received a final warning from you, so I wanted to at least bring it to your attention. StudiesWorld (talk) 21:12, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi StudiesWorld! Okay, I'll keep an eye on things. Thanks for letting me know. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:07, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Revdel

Is it okay to request Revdel for Teahouse revisions? You see this page was vandalised by an IP many times earlier today. They've left offensive words in edit summaries. Sincerely, Masum Reza📞 09:17, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Masumrezarock100! Sure! So long as the revisions meet the criteria for redaction, they most certainly can be reported! Just email them to me; we don't want to make reports publicly. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:06, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You've got mail!

Hello, Oshwah. Please check your email; you've got mail! The subject is Rev-del.
Message added 06:13, 26 May 2019 (UTC). It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template.

I am worried about edit summary. One looks like promotional and offensive. Masum Reza📞 06:13, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Masumrezarock100 - Will be checking and responding to my Wikipedia emails soon. I'll make sure that your concerns are handled. ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 04:05, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I sent those diffs to you because of edit summary vandalism. Is it okay for me to request Revdel for revisions that aren't grossy or offensive but violates edit summary guidelines? I was concerned about the edit summary not the edit. Masum Reza📞 07:49, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Masumrezarock100! You're more than welcome to report revisions that I should take a look at if the edit summaries violate policy. Just make sure that you indicate this in the talk page message so that I know that you're just trying to report an issue. Messages that just report issues with edits or summaries can just be left here and don't need to be emailed to me - unless they meet the criteria for redaction and need to be rev del'd. Don't request rev del for edits or summaries if you know they don't meet the criteria - that just wastes everyone's time and that's just silly... lol. If you're uncertain as to whether or not something meets the criteria for redaction, don't hesitate to email it to me and let me know that you're not sure so that I can take a look and let you know. I'd much rather you email me revisions that you're not 100% sure needs rev del and wind up being incorrect, than for you to feel like you can't email me and ask about a revision you're not certain about (for one reason or another) and to find out later that it did and have us miss something that should've been removed. This also goes for edits that might require suppression as well. ;-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 08:58, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

NYC vandal back at it again

This IP needs a block per the weeks of edit warring on R179 (New York City Subway car) and various other subway train articles. Cards84664 (talk) 02:34, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Brought up at ANI instead since you're away, no worries. Cards84664 (talk) 21:31, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Cards84664! Oh dear; that IP user is definitely causing a lot of disruption... thanks for leaving me a message about it and for taking it to ANI. I apologize for the extreme delay getting back to you here. I had to take some time away from Wikipedia in order to take care of some very important life events and obligations, and I'm just now getting back to Wikipedia and responding to messages, requests, emails, etc. I just took a look at the IP user, and it's currently still blocked from editing due to disruption that was made today. Wonderful..... lol. If more shenanigans continue after the user is unblocked, let me know and I'll be happy to take care of the matter - or file another report at ANI if I happen to be away or offline. :-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 04:08, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Request for oversight

I was doing some work in this sockpuppet investigation, and I received a personal attack on my talk page from User:Zaggy 3centi, who is most likely a troll. The edit was soon reverted, but then that edit was reverted, and then that was reverted, and there were 2 more reversions after that. I would like for these edits to be redacted. InvalidOS (talk) 13:58, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) @InvalidOS: To request oversight, please see WP:RFO or email the oversight team here. Interstellarity T 🌟 18:53, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
pinged from IRC @InvalidOS: I don't see anything that meets any of the criteria for oversight or revision deletion. The former is generally for libelous material or personal information, while the latter is generally for Grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material... not "ordinary" incivility, personal attacks or conduct accusations. ~ Amory (u • t • c) 19:10, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, thanks. InvalidOS (talk) 19:54, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi InvalidOS! I apologize for the delay responding to your request here. I had to take some time away from Wikipedia in order to take care of some very important life events and obligations, and I'm just now getting back to Wikipedia and responding to messages, requests, emails, etc. :-)
The user was definitely making stupid edits to your user talk page, but (as said above by Amorymeltzer), we only use revision deletion (or 'RD') to redact content if it meets the criteria for being "grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material" and not "'ordinary' incivility, personal attacks or conduct accusations" (RD2), or for being "purely disruptive material" (which is RD3). RD3 is meant for "allegations, harassment, grossly inappropriate threats or attacks, browser-crashing or malicious HTML or CSS, shock pages, phishing pages, known virus proliferating pages, and links to web pages that disparage or threaten some person or entity and serve no other valid purpose". It cannot be used for "mere spam links". In a nutshell: RD2 is used for grossly insulting or inappropriate edits (such as racist stuff, racial or demoralizing slurs, anything that would seriously offend), and RD3 is used for disruptive material. Threats, bad external links, page breaking code, and other bad stuff is under RD3.
You asked for "oversight" in your original message above. Asking for "oversight" is different than asking for revdel. Oversight AKA suppression refers to setting revisions or logs to a level of deletion where it's hidden from the vast majority of Wikipedia users, including administrators. There's a completely separate criteria regarding when Oversight can be used and an edit suppressed rather than revdel'd. The main use of suppression is to hide edits or logs that disclose a Wikipedia user's "non-public personal information, such as phone numbers, home addresses, workplaces or identities of pseudonymous or anonymous individuals who have not made their identity public. This includes hiding the IP data of editors who accidentally logged out and thus inadvertently revealed their own IP addresses, and hiding the IP data of editors without an account on request. Suppression is a tool of first resort in removing this information." I just wanted to make sure that you were aware of the two different levels of removal, since you requested oversight but were really only needing to request revdel. :-)
Please let me know if you have any questions about anything I explained above and I'll be more than happy to answer them. If you run into any edits that require revdel or suppression in the future, please don't hesitate to let me know - even if you're not completely sure but feel like you should report and ask. I'd much rather you report a revision to me that you're not 100% certain should be removed and be incorrect than to not report the revision at all and wind up being correct and having us miss one. ;-) Just make sure to email them to me instead of reporting them to my user talk page - where everything is public and where just shy of 1000 people actively watch it for changes and would see the report right away if they were monitoring their watchlist. This avoids the Streisand effect, which is what we want to do as much as possible. ;-) Thanks again for the message! I hope you have a great day and I wish you happy editing. :-D ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 04:33, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for clearing that up. I’ll be sure to make the distinction in the future, and request revdel when it is actually needed. InvalidOS (talk) 11:03, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
InvalidOS - No problem; always happy to help and explain. :-) The distinction and accidentally saying "oversight" instead of "revdel" is not a big deal; it doesn't take very long at all for an experienced user, admin, and oversighter to figure out exactly what you were trying to ask for. ;-) I figured that I'd take the opportunity and go over both policies and guidelines with you so that any confusion is resolved and any questions answered. Like I said, please don't hesitate to email me to report revisions that need revdel or oversight, and please don't hesitate to email me revisions that you think meets the criteria but aren't 100% certain (just indicate so in the email, along with which criterion you think it meets and why), and I'll be happy to take a look and help you out. It takes some time to fully understand what the revdel criteria means with the phrases "grossly insulting, degrading, or offensive material", or "purely disruptive material" (I know that it took some time for me to understand it fully), but you'll get the hang of it no problem... all it takes is a few examples on both sides of where each line is drawn. ;-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 11:59, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

User talk:Aliftoursandtravels

You may wish to revoke talk page access.--Cahk (talk) 08:46, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) did it. Also I've changed to a hard block. Bishonen | talk 09:02, 30 May 2019 (UTC).[reply]
Bishonen - Thank you for handling this while I was offline, and Cahk - Thank you for reporting this. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 04:35, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Rfa

Can you nominate Cabayi for adminship as he is a very experienced editor.223.223.143.11 (talk) 14:40, 30 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi there! Thanks for leaving me a message here with your request. Unfortunately, your request has many issues and problems. Aside from the many issues I see with your request, I'll first respond by pointing out that you haven't even reached out to Cabayi and asked what his/her wishes are... If Cabayi wishes to become an administrator, you should talk to that user directly first. Since you didn't do this, you don't know if Cabayi even wants to become an administrator. He/she might have absolutely no desire to do so, but you're jumping the gun and asking me to nominate them. :-) I think you understand why that might be an issue. ;-) Regarding the other issues with your request, I think that should respond by setting some expectations for you first. :-) I think there might be a lack of understanding on your part regarding the administrator toolset, what it actually entails, as well as a lack of understanding with the process and usual requirements that the community looks for before they offer their support for a candidate. So, without further to do, I'll explain this for you:
The administrator user right is a senior-level toolset that's only given to highly experienced editors who can demonstrate many years' worth of and consistent above-proficiency with policy knowledge, judgment, community trust, the administrator policy and the appropriate use of tools, and other requirements the community deems relevant to examine before giving their support. It is not a user right that's given to new, novice, or even well-established editors on Wikipedia. To give you a good idea and perspective: I've been an editor since the beginning of 2007 (12 years), and I've only been an admin since August 2016 (less than 3 years) - meaning that I was an editor on Wikipedia for just shy of 10 years before I was considered for the tool. You (and perhaps Cabayi) should refer to this guide, as well as this guide for more information about how users become administrators, the process, the various requirements, and (in a nutshell) how difficult it is in order to become one. Most requests by users to become administrators fail, even requests by users with years of good experience. There are many good editors and contributors on Wikipedia who will never become administrators (for various reasons), and there are many requirements before even being considered for the role or even having a request taken seriously.
That being said, administrators on Wikipedia are volunteer users who are given (literally) just a few extra buttons... maybe like 10 extra buttons total in order to carry out advanced actions that, for obvious reasons, can't be given out to everybody. That's the only difference between a Wikipedia editor and a Wikipedia editor who is also an administrator. Administrators have to follow all of the same policies, guidelines, rules, and norms that non-admins have to, and they have absolutely no "authority" above other users or accounts, nor do they have any kind of access to hidden "special things" like any exemptions from certain policies or rules, more rights or "status" above other users, or the entitlement to edit articles and content above anyone else. In case my previous statements weren't clear enough, I'll say it like this: Apart from the very few extra buttons that administrators have access to in order to carry out those few additional actions and tasks they have access to, administrators are completely 100% equal and are exactly the same as any other user on Wikipedia (even unregistered and anonymous IP users) in regards to everything else... "authority", "status", importance, Wikipedia policies and their obligation to follow all of them, and the right to make edits and changes to articles and content. They don't get to make up rules when they want, block whoever they want, protect whatever pages they want, or do whatever they want. Their responsibilities are to carry out the tasks that the community has allowed and outlined in the appropriate policies and guidelines, and only in situations that are deemed necessary and acceptable as outlined in those policies. Administrator responsibilities, the proper use of the tools, the obligation to obey and follow all Wikipedia policies, and maintaining a high level of community trust and community confidence - are all conditions to keeping the administrator user rights. Administrators who are found to be consistently or egregiously violating policies and/or have clearly lost the trust and confidence of the community will usually have their tools removed.
I hope that my response helped to set some expectations and explain the administrator toolset to you, as well as the process that users must go through in order to become an administrator, and why asking a random user to nominate someone for the administrator user rights when you have no edits or experience (as you did in your original message above) probably won't be taken seriously or with consideration if you ask others like this. If you have any questions regarding my response or anything I explained above, please let me know and I'll be happy to answer them. Thanks again for the message, and I wish you a great day and happy editing. :-D ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 05:47, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hide edit summary

Please also hide [[REDACTED - Oshwah] this]. Thanks! Babymissfortune 13:55, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Babymissfortune! I think you added this request while I was in the middle of taking care of the matter. Is the content you requested to be removed now gone? Or is it still present and needs my attention? Let me know. :-) Thanks - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 14:08, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's okay now. Writ Keeper has removed it. Thank you! Babymissfortune 14:29, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Babymissfortune - Cool deal; thanks for letting me know. No problem! Always happy to lend a hand! Cheers ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 14:49, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Overlinking by IP hopper

Hi Oshwah, could you take a look at these IPs: Special:Contributions/140.213.1.27, Special:Contributions/140.213.1.34, and Special:Contributions/140.213.0.222? There have been others in this range this week too, and maybe last week. The IP is adding unnecessary links with the summary "Add cites", but the IPs change so much I doubt they'll ever see a message. Do you have any thoughts on how to deal with this situation? - BilCat (talk) 17:28, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi BilCat! I took a look at the WHOIS information for this IP, and the contributions for the network CIDR range here show that many IP edits are occurring like this today. Is it just an issue with over-linking? Or are there also other problems with the edits from this range? ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 17:43, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
BilCat - It looks like some of the edits by this range may not be doing exactly what the edit summaries say they're doing. Look at this edit... it's summarized as "add cities", but the content changes aren't adding anything like that... How many other edits are like this, I wonder? ... ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 17:46, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for looking at this. Yes, they are adding links, not "cites", but some of their other edits are either optional or unnecessary. I don't know how, or am unable, to look at edits across ranges, so I only know of the few IPs I've seen recently. I know there have been more in the past couple of weeks, but I don't remember what articles were involved, though they were primarily aviation-related. I was afraid that this was probably an active range where range blocks would be problematic. (Yet another reason I'm pro mandatory registration, but that's my soapbox, not yours :) )
BilCat - Taking a look at the contributions of ranges is very easy to do. You just paste the CIDR range into the "User" input text field in the Special:Contributions page and you're all set - it'll load the contributions for that range and show the individual IP address that made each edit. The contributions page (like other pages) has a limit of /16 for IPv4 addresses and /32 for IPv6 addresses; any CIDR range that's wider is too large due to being too many IPs to pull and it won't do it. For example, the three IP addresses you listed here are under the CIDR range of 140.213.0.0/16 (found by looking up the WHOIS for one of the IPs). Just go to Special:Contributions/140.213.0.0/16 and you'll see all edits from that range. If, for another example, you try to go to Special:Contributions/140.213.0.0/15 (instead of /16), it will tell you that you've exceeded the maximum range and that what you've entered is too wide (too many IPs to look up). This kind of range lookup used to only be available through a script or gadget, but the MediaWiki Software has been updated since then and this ability is now built-in to Special:Contributions natively. Take a look and let me know if you have any questions. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 18:43, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, thanks. I've only been on Wikipedia for 14 years, so I'm still.learning ;) I took a brief look at that range, and most of the edits to aviation topics are the problematic ones. - BilCat (talk) 18:59, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Also, what is CIDR in plain English? (The article isn't.) :) - BilCat (talk) 19:02, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
BilCat - Ahhh... CIDR notation... :-) For me to be able to explain CIDR notation, I'll need to go over a couple of other IP-related things with you, but lets start with IPv4. If you find that you understand it and would like to learn about CIDR and IPv6, let me know and I can go over it with you. Without further to do, here's an overview of CIDR notation in IPv4 addresses:
Let's take a look at a typical IPv4 address that you'd normally see in someone's house given to a computer by the owner's router: 192.168.1.2... There are four numbers between three decimals. Cool... pretty easy. The integers or numbers are just a shorthand way of stating the actual IP address that computers and networking devices read, which is actually in binary (0's and 1's). So, the actual IP address of 192.168.1.2 is 11000000.10101000.00000001.00000011. You'll see that each block is exactly eight bits long (a maximum of 255 as a decimal number is possible in each block), and there are four blocks of numbers, totaling 32 bits for an IPv4 address. That's the total length of an IPv4 address; they're always 32 bits long. Cool. That's easy... no big deal, no slight of hand. No tricks. ;-)
Let's say that we want to block all IP addresses that begin with 192.168.1, meaning that we don't care if the last number block is a 0, 12, 201, or 114, ...we want to block all IP addresses with 192.168.1.XXX or 11000000.10101000.00000001.XXXXXXXX. The CIDR notation for this would be 192.168.1.0/24. The 24 means to take the left-most 24 bits on the IP address you provide (which is 192.168.1), and make those constant... and then wildcard the rest of them (which is the last 8 bits on the right side of the IP). You effectively say, "don't wildcard these left-most 24 bits, but wildcard the rest of them". Now, all IP addresses that are 192.168.1.XXX are blocked.
Need to make it wider? Let's block 192.168.XXX.XXX! That adds 8 more bits to the group that I want to wildcard and subtracts 8 from the CIDR notation (what I don't want to wildcard). So, the IP address I would add to block would be 192.168.0.0/16 (make sure that you change the portion that you want to wildcard to be 0's, like with 192.168.0.0). This of course gets more complicated if you need to block, say, a /23, or a /20, or if you need to start in the middle of a number block (such as blocking IPs starting at 192.168.1.100 for example). Effectively, you're just shifting the number of bits that you want to wildcard as well as the IP address you enter before the CIDR notation at the end.
That's really all there is to it! I hope this basic overview gives you a good explanation and understanding of CIDR notation. There are many users out there that might explain this differently or even call some of the statements I'm saying incorrect, but this is the best way to explain what CIDR notation is and how it works to someone that has a very basic understanding of IP addresses and networks. Let me know if you have any questions and I'll be happy to answer them. ;-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 19:30, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. It'll take me awhile to "digest" all that, but eventually I'll absorb it. :) - BilCat (talk) 19:45, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
BilCat - No problem; always happy to help. ;-) Regarding what to do with the IP range that you messaged me about and reported, I think that if some (but not all) of the edits are problematic but seem to be made in good faith, we should file a discussion at ANI and get input regarding the best way to handle this. I wouldn't want to block an entire range if a good portion of the edits from it are legitimate and okay. Thoughts? ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 19:48, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Here's another one: Special:Contributions/140.213.48.125. Thanks. - BilCat (talk) 03:30, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
BilCat - Have you filed an ANI report as recommended earlier? Let me know when you've done this and I'll add some information to it. I think this is a matter where we need to gather some input and thoughts here, and verify for sure that all of the edits by this range are problematic. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 03:48, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mail

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Zylonv - Received and responded. I need more information. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 21:13, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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Please forgive me if I'm creating too many. Does the notification work if I simply reply to an existing one? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zylonv (talk • contribs) 23:07, 31 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Zylonv! If you're talking about the notification on Wikipedia, I receive one as soon as you leave any kind of message here. If you're simply responding to an email thread where you notified me before (such as above), you can just add a reply to that discussion and let me know that you replied. No need to create a new section with another new email notification template. ;-) If, however, you send me an email to start a new chain or thread, feel free to hit me with another "you got mail" message. Really, none of this actually matters and it's not a big deal... you're not going to make me angry or leave me shaking my fist in the air because you left a "you got mail" template instead of just a reply... ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 00:58, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks; I sent another email in as well. Zylonv (talk) 05:29, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Zylonv - Acknowledged. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 05:34, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've added the relevant details. It's no problem, I know you've been busy lately. Zylonv (talk) 19:43, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Cool deal. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 00:13, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism on certain Disney pages, requesting immediate protection.

Hello mate, I've been noticing that some disney pages like A Whole New World and also Aladdin (2019 film) were recently vandalized using inappropriate pictures. Can it be protected properly? Thank you LizandJr8 (talk) 03:09, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi LizandJr8! Thanks for leaving me a message here and for reporting the disruption to these articles. I've checked both edit histories; A Whole New World was protected by another administrator just a bit ago, and I've added semi-protection to Aladdin (2019 film). This should put a stop to the vandalism. Please let me know if I can do anything else for you, and I'll be happy to help. Happy editing! :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 03:16, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Premature ANI closure

I think the section concerning MS was certainly not played out, and a 72 hour block is very, very unlikely to have any meaningful effect on a problem extending many years. I think You should reconsider your closure. Qwirkle (talk) 12:45, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Qwirkle! Thanks for leaving me a message here with your thoughts and concerns regarding the closure of that ANI discussion. Like I said in my closing statement, I wasn't sure if any discussions in that regard were going to be in motion, and that any user is welcome to undo my closure if it was pre-mature. I'll go ahead and remove it, since you're expressing concerns and it seems like you believe that this discussion should take place there. Stand by; it'll be re-opened momentarily. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 12:47, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Qwirkle - Instead of undoing the closure, I went a head and left a note underneath the discussion regarding your message here. I also reiterated that anyone is welcome to remove the closure I applied if I did so too soon. Please don't hesitate to respond with any further questions or concerns, and I'll be happy to discuss them with you further and help as best as I again. Thank you for taking the time to leave me a message here and express your thoughts and concerns with me. I appreciate your feedback very much, and I hope you have a great day. Happy editing! :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 12:53, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Then I’ll put on my “anyone” hat, and reopen it. What’s the best way to handle that? Transform your closure into a comment? Qwirkle (talk) 12:57, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Qwirkle - Nah, just remove the closure. No need to save my closing statement in a comment or anything fancy; it's not dire or important that it be kept... lol. You just need to remove the {{atop}} and {{abot}} templates from the top and bottom of the section, and you'll be all set. If you get stuck anywhere or need help, let me know and I'll be happy to do so. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 12:59, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Eli Erlick

Thanks for protecting the page, but per my AIV report, do you not think edits like this should be an immediately blockable offense? Funcrunch (talk) 14:35, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Funcrunch! Yup, that's an edit I'd certainly block a user over. Please accept my apologies for leaving a "warned user" response instead of actually blocking the user. I just took a look at the timelines and saw that only one warning was left, and left it at that. I should have taken a look at the edits as well. Else, I would've caught this and you wouldn't have had to ask me what the heck is going on in my head... lol. The issue is all taken care of now; thank you very much for bringing this to my attention. :-) Please let me know if there's anything else I can do for you and I'll be happy to help. Happy editing! :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 14:39, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the block and the redaction. As a trans person myself, I certainly do not enjoy seeing edits like that left with just a mild warning... Funcrunch (talk) 14:41, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Funcrunch - That was my fault for not looking at the edits themselves, and I'm so sorry that I inadvertently treated the situation with such little action compared to what should have happened in the first place. I've redacted and even suppressed some revisions on the article, and I've extended the protection duration to be two months instead of two days. This should hopefully put a stop to any further vandalism or disruption there. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 14:44, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks

Hi Oshwah, Hope all is well mate,
Just wanted to say many thanks for this, I think on a technicality I should've gone to 3RRNO (which is where I'll next go if it resumes) but yeah just wanted to say many thanks for dealing with that,
Happy editing :), Thanks, –Davey2010Talk 18:34, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Davey2010! It's been a long time since we've last spoken to one another! It's good to see you again! I hope you're having a great day and that life is treating you well. No problem; always happy to lend a hand. ;-) If any shenanigans come up in the future and my assistance is needed, please don't hesitate to message me and let me know, and I'll be more than happy to help. My user talk page is always open to you, and you're welcome to message me or post here any time you need or want to. I hope you have a great rest of you day, and I wish you happy editing. :-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 18:38, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Oshwah, Yeah yeah all is well over this side of the pond thanks and I hope all is good and well over that side of the pond :),
Brilliant thanks so much and ofcourse same here my tp will always be open to you too,
Thanks so much and I hope you have a fabulous day too lol,
Take care mate, –Davey2010Talk 18:46, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Davey2010 - Things are going okay for me. I had to take some time away from Wikipedia to take care of some life events and obligations that were going on. But, as you see, I'm back and active again. :-) Until our paths cross again, my friend... take care. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 18:51, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

random query

Is there an "Ip Script" to hide "pop-up" banners when you are not logged in? --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 20:59, 2 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thegooduser - When you're not logged in? No, anonymous users run off of a separate default .js and .css files and they can't customize those. You'd have to look at a browser add-on to do that. One thing to know is that browser add-ons (unless they come with options to customize when they're enabled or not) will typically run whether you're logged in or not or they'll run all the time - so do be careful. Add-ons can also cause other conflicts and issues - especially if you're also running custom Wikipedia scripts and gadgets on top of that. My advice is to avoid using browser add-ons that are designed to affect Wikipedia and how it displays in your browser. They're typically designed for people that read Wikipedia, not so much people who are editors. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 00:21, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

NYC station article naming

Can you help me set up an rfc for this?

Essentially, the editors in favor of WP:USSTATION want to implement it in NYC.

Said policy has been enforced everywhere in the United States except in the NYC subway station articles.

The editors opposing the page move(s) constantly cite WP:IGNORE.

This back and forth has been going on constantly for at least 2 years now (with some arguments going back a decade).

An rfc was suggested by multiple editors as early as 2016, but nothing has happened yet.

Note that trash talk happens quite often as well. Cards84664 (talk) 17:22, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Cards84664, as someone on the opposite side of this specific requested move. I agree with the need for resolution and that the appropriate venue would be an RFC. I would be willing to collaborate in order to set up a neutral RFC with the hope of achieving some consensus. StudiesWorld (talk) 18:20, 4 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@StudiesWorld: How would you like to set this up, in a sandbox? Cards84664 (talk) 23:37, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Cards84664, that would be my thought. Do you want to set it up or should I? StudiesWorld (talk) 23:58, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@StudiesWorld: I think you should, I'm not familiar with the overall process. Cards84664 (talk) 23:59, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have started a draft in userspace to prepare it and have continued the discussion (pinging both of you there) with some questions? StudiesWorld (talk) 01:13, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
StudiesWorld - No problem. I've responded with some answers that should help you. :-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:03, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Cards84664 and StudiesWorld! I think the suggestion to set up a neutral RFC regarding the application of this policy is a great idea. It looks like you two are already in the process of creating one, so I'll leave you to it. If either one of you has any questions regarding an RFC and the process involved, let me know and I'll be happy to answer them. :-) Cheers and good luck! ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 00:24, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ramrancher8

Hello Oshwah, I am bringing this to you, as you have blocked this user before. They have continued to make unsourced edits after their previous block. I reported to AIV the other day for the continued unsourced edits, however it must have been declined as not obvious vandalism. Then today there was this edit also added unsourced (possibly speculative) content about a future event. StaticVapor message me! 20:04, 5 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi STATicVapor! Thanks for leaving me a message regarding the ongoing problems with this user's edits. I took a look at the diff you provided me above, and I noticed that the article involved is one that he/she created. Hence, I held off on taking immediate action. Have you created an ANI discussion regarding this user? If your reports regarding this user are being declined at AIV for not being "blatant vandalism" (which can happen), the thing to do next is to create a discussion at ANI so that it can be discussed and handled there. Please let me know when you've done this, and I'll be happy to comment on the discussion and watch for input there. Thanks! :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 00:31, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Forsure, usually my steps are AIV -> contact previous blocking admin (if there is one) -> ANI. I just hate bringing wrestling there unless it is a major issue, since sometimes it invites a lot of backhanded comments regarding the subject matter lol. I just want to see this user citing sources for their edits like everyone should, the previous block, multiple messages and even your well thought out personalized message has gotten us nowhere so far. StaticVapor message me! 06:21, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
STATicVapor - I completely understand your thoughts and reasons for being hesitant to start a discussion at ANI about this. ANI (in general) can become a heated mix and explosion of "blame game" arguments, battleground conduct and grudges that involved users just won't let die, incivility and personal attacks, and off-topic finger-pointing. Unfortunately, starting an ANI discussion is the next logical step from here given the fact that notices, warnings, and custom messages have gone ignored, and the problem only continues to occur. Given the specific issue involved with this user, an ANI needs to be filed so that it can be discussed and a solution found with as many users in the community as possible. This assures that we make right decisions, perform the correct actions, and we do the right thing. You'll be fine... I promise. I'm right here should you need help or support with it, and if you update me here and tell me you started one, I'll be happy to comment on the discussion. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 06:29, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for being so kind, really appreciate your efforts on here. I think I'll try and give the user one more message, but if this still continues to annoy me I will probably tag you when the ANI happens. Happy editing! StaticVapor message me! 06:53, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
STATicVapor - I appreciate the time and effort you spend trying to help and assist other users before throwing them into an ANI discussion. Keep up the great work ethic that you give to this project; it makes a significant positive impact... more than you think it does! :-D Okay, sounds good to me! Feel free to ping me if you create an ANI discussion about this user and I'll be happy to comment and help. :-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 06:57, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you again for the kind words, it means a lot! StaticVapor message me! 11:37, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
STATicVapor - You bet. ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 11:39, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ANI redaction

Whoa! I think you redacted too much. El_C 11:44, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi El C! These are suppressions from a discussion started a few days ago. An email has been sent to the OS team to get input regarding the content that was redacted and whether or not it should be considered something that should be redacted and suppressed. If we determine that the information doesn't meet the criteria, or if its determined that suppression is not the solution in this situation, the visibility to the revisions will be restored. I know... it's a lot of revisions. Rest assured, it's being discussed... :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 11:49, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's just that oversighting 500+ revisions seems like overkill; but okay. El_C 11:54, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
El C - Sigh... I know. I know it is... and I'm sorry to have to be the one to make the decision and take the actions I believe to be necessary. Unfortunately, I have to put the content that needs suppression first over convenience in these situations (pending a discussion with the OS team of course). That's the curse of being an oversighter sometimes... there are times where you have to redact content and suppress a bunch of revisions that can step on the toes of many editors, and you can't discuss the content or any details involving the suppression with other editors on top of it. :-/ ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 12:00, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Could this possibly be a record for the largest number of redactions in one hit?? --Blackmane (talk) 13:32, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Blackmane - HA! Sadly, it's not. Not by far... I've had to redact and suppress a lot more revisions than that in the past due to one event. Again, sorry for the inconvenience. Like I said, it's being discussed with the team... ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 13:58, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Doesn't inconvenience me. The drama board could do with a magic wand clean out once in a while.... Blackmane (talk) 14:03, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Blackmane - Heh. Boy is that true sometimes... :-P ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 14:05, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Protecterofwiki

Thank you for sorting out the vandalism of Protecterofwiki! I was literally just about to publish a report at Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. Good timing! R96Skinner (talk) 12:20, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

R96Skinner - You bet; always happy to help! I ran into this user's contributions and I knew something was up as soon as I saw that the user was reverting "vandalism" and most of the edits were reverting the same user... lol ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 12:21, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Odd one! Early stages, but looks like they are back under User:83.123.176.246. R96Skinner (talk) 12:33, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
R96Skinner - Blocked. Let me know if you see any more edits like this from other IPs or accounts and I'll be happy to take care of it. ;-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 12:40, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

HI OSHWAH its me im trying create new accounts due to protection and i wont work with my main account R96Skinner from now on ! thanks (R95Skinner (talk) 13:51, 6 June 2019 (UTC))[reply]

Need help

Hello Sir, Can you please move this article to the main article. Earlier the editor moved to Wikipedia:Alyssia Vibha Sharma but I moved back to Wikipedia:Vibha Sharma per WP:COMMONNAME but later found out that it wasn't moved to the main article at all and now, I can't move back to Vibha Sharma. Thank you. Tolly4bolly 13:01, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Tolly4bolly -  Done. Please let me know if I can help you with anything else. :-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 13:04, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi

Can I still edit pages? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Disneyandanduniversalfan (talk • contribs) 14:24, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Disneyandanduniversalfan! Yes, your current account status does not restrict you from editing pages that are not protected. If they're protected, you won't be able to edit them until you become confirmed. Then, you'll be able to edit semi-protected pages. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 14:41, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Global/attached accounts question

Perhaps you or one of the watchers know something about this (or where to inquire about it). How is it decided which accounts are attached to your global account? For example, you have 478 attached accounts. I have 33. Most of the accounts are to wikis in other languages and obviously the vast majority of editors whose 'home' wiki is en.wiki won't be editing the wikis in other languages. On the other hand, another long time user I happened to check has 150 attached, and various users who signed up for en-wiki some years ago have no accounts attached. Enigmamsg 19:32, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) @Enigmaman: according to meta:Help:Unified login, new accounts are attached when you first visit a wiki while logged in. clpo13(talk) 19:41, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Enigmaman! I'll expand on what Clpo13 said above. If you create an account today on any project (and not back before globalization and unification of logins were a thing), you create both a local account on that project as well as a global account. From there, when you visit another project for the first time (say, for example: you created your new account on the English Wikipedia and you visit the Simple English Wikipedia for the first time), a local account is created on the project from the information stored in your global account, and the information is all synchronized up. So if you change the password on your English Wikipedia account, it updates the global account password, which syncs with all of the other local accounts. And the automatic creation goes on from there as you visit more and more WMF projects... :-) Please let me know if you have any questions, and I'll be happy to answer them. :-) Cheers - ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 19:45, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Clpo and Oshwah. I don't recall having visited these other wikis but it shows the accounts were created/linked years ago so my visits weren't recent. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enigmaman (talk • contribs) 19:59, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Enigmaman - No problem. :-) That sounds about right; I'm sure that the 478 attached accounts you saw on my CentralAuth page were linked a long time ago for me as well... ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 20:02, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, most of them were attached on March 15, 2015 for me... which I think is the day that the SUL finalisation went into effect (basically the task that forcibly renamed all local accounts where another local account on a different project had the same username, then afterwards took all local accounts created before globalization was a thing and turned them into global accounts), but I could be wrong about that... ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 20:06, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I wasn't even aware of this list until recently. Most of my accounts are from various dates in 2008, with a handful created in the ensuing years. Enigmamsg 20:10, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Enigmaman - How SUL and account globalization works under the hood is a bit funky but works well. The transition that was made between before when SUL and globalization became a default thing and afterwards was by far even more funkier than that... and the tasks and modifications that had to be performed for old accounts so that they were transitioned over to SUL and globalization was even more funkier than that! LOL ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 20:15, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Can you help me?

Why do people always delete my edits Disneyandanduniversalfan (talk) 20:32, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Why do people always delete my edits? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Disneyandanduniversalfan (talk • contribs) 20:32, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Disneyandanduniversalfan - Since you're brand new to Wikipedia, I highly recommend that you go through and complete Wikipedia's new user tutorial before you make any more edits or take on any major tasks around here. It will provide you with many helpful walkthroughs, guides, interactive lessons, and other information that will be very helpful to you. Most users who take this advice and complete the tutorial tell me later that it was significantly helpful to them and saved them hours of time and frustration they would've experienced otherwise. If you need help after going through and completing the entire tutorial, please don't hesitate to let me know and I'll be happy to help you from there. I really want you to go through the tutorial first, as it will answer nearly all of your questions. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 20:39, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

You've got mail!

Hello, Oshwah. Please check your email; you've got mail!
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Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 22:18, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Thegooduser - Acknowledged. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 22:29, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

WP:NOTHERE editor

As if creating a category entitled "Coastal cities in Arkansas" isn't enough, please view the back and forth between me and MogulOfAmerica129. Seems clear as a bell to me. John from Idegon (talk) 22:20, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi John from Idegon! Whelp, seems pretty open-and-shut to me. This user definitely appears to be WP:NOTHERE, and I've indef'd the account as a result. ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 22:32, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your help. I'm hoping you are right regarding Grapevine High School, but my spidey-senses are still tingling. Hope you have it watchlisted. Cause, you know, I'm not a Legend (except to my son). John from Idegon (talk) 23:12, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And it looks as though there is some socking on MogulOfAmerica129's talk. See last entry above your block notice. John from Idegon (talk) 23:18, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
John from Idegon - Yup, I just took care of all of that. See this SPI report for info. ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 23:26, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) John from Idegon - HAHAHA that's awesome! :-) It's protected until tomorrow, but we can definitely keep eyes on it and see what happens after it expires. Only time will tell.... :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 23:25, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Unless I time travel and screw the shit out of my future lunch... --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 23:42, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
wat ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 23:43, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"wat" is not a word, unless you want me to hack the webster's dictionary server and add "wat" in it;
wat Wikinoun: Orgin 2019ce in Latin Oshmerica, Coined from Oshglish, Wat means "What, thegooduser?? You mean I win? wat?" First used in Oshwah's talkpage here, ce2019 Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 23:48, 6 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Oh it's definitely a word... Not an official English word, but an internet word for sure. ;-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 00:00, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Tobin's Spirit Guide describes Wat as "a dominant force of the underworld. Leader of a legion of evil demons. Wat's goal is to invade and conquer the living world."--Mr Fink (talk) 00:49, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well at least God is not a sockpuppet. Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 00:55, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Or is he? .... o.0 ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 01:32, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If they are, who is the sockmaster? StudiesWorld (talk) 02:04, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
StudiesWorld - God's.... God, maybe? ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:06, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No, it's Jesus. Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:08, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

HG

Still having a shitload of problems with my software for huggleThegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 00:02, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Are you on the latest release? What Operating System are you using it on? Have you discussed it on the feedback page? ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 00:08, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
3.4.8 Windows 10 home 64 bit, no feedback was given on the feedback page. --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 00:13, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Have you tried using a different internet or network connection like I suggested last time? What about using a different computer? Does the issue continue after switching networks or to a different internet connection? Does it follow you from computer-to-computer? ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 00:14, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't have another PC. --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 00:25, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What about another internet or network connection? ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 00:27, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Nope. Tried 2.4 and 5 G, no banana. --Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 00:31, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I remember that we talked about your power settings and how system standby or sleep mode may definitely be causing the issues. Did you change your power settings to disable automatic system standby while the workstation is plugged in? ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 00:33, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If I plug in the Pc, it sometimes dies, (and goes from 29% to 5% on sleep mode in 20 minutes on battery) The workstation will never sleep when plugged in only when the lid is closed, I tried locking it with the lid up, and sometimes it will work, sometimes it won't if the pc sleeps. Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 00:38, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like you have an issue with your batter and power. Does it say that it's charging every time you plug AC power into it, and without any issues or problems? Or do you have to wiggle or mess with it before it'll start charging? ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 01:33, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

It'll beep almost everytime I plug it in. Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 01:55, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Right now it's at 99% plugged in and not charging. (guess that's for safety?)Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 01:56, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It also beeps when unplugged. Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:01, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
What does the "beep" signal exactly? What does it mean when the computer "beeps"? What is it trying to tell you? ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:02, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Plug in the charger: BEEP! Unplug the charger: BEEP! Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:04, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I still think that there's a power issue that's causing things to stop working after you do something and the laptop enters a power saving state or standby mode. This will stop the WiFi or LAN device in the process in order to conserve power consumption. This can cause issue with many things, but I think that it applies in your situation. In Windows 10, go to your power options and make sure that the profile or plan is set to "High performance". Then click on "Change when the computer sleeps" or go to the setting to change your standby and sleep options. Set it to disabled on both AC and battery (for now so that we eliminate it completely from the equation). Give the computer a reboot, and let me know if this fixes your problem. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:11, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
High Performance will kill my battery it's over six years old, and if I restart I have a whole shitload of Windows Updates. Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:13, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
My screen on the PC also flickers from dark to bright even when I do not touch the brightness. Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:14, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It will not kill your battery if it's plugged in. If you have Windows Updates to install, you need to reboot and install them all. This could also be part of the cause of your problems. Having pending Windows Updates modifies some events and settings to prepare for the installation. Set those power settings that I listed, get those updates installed, and reboot! :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:16, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've been smashing the damn "remind me tomorrow" button for years! Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:18, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Well stop doing that, and get your system up to date. That's a bad habit to have... lol ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:20, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Is there an Oshwah operating system I can use? Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:19, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Not a public one... lol ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:26, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And there is another problem of my hard drive running out of space by it's self when I do not download anything, I only have 24gb left, is this affecting Huggle? Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:22, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
24 GB of available space is plenty enough for Huggle and other programs to work without issues. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:24, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Is there a way where I can reset the power and battery settings to factory settings and clean start my pc? Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:29, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I have an battery reset button. Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:30, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'd look at an online manual for your PC model. It should provide you with directions for how to do this. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:38, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know the model of the PC, and there's also a content-dispute at Simple English Wikipedia (See the email I sent you...) Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:40, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'd talk to an admin on simple-en. I'm not an admin on that project. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:41, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
None are there. Can we get a steward? It's urgent. Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:45, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Stewards can't make administrative decisions there (IIRC). ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:46, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Dang, Well can you keep reverting the Ip's for me? I need to go, and no one is one simple english wiki. Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:47, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Report the users to vandalism in progress if it's blatant disruption. ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 02:51, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No-one's active on that Wiki. Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:52, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
They are blanking all the pages I have edited including the Admin's noticeboard. Thegooduser Life Begins With a Smile :) 🍁 02:56, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I'm alerting the simple-en channel on IRC about it... just be patient. :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 03:01, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Editing a Wikipedia page

I am new to editing a Wikipedia page. I have edited a Wikipedia page recently and it was reverted by you with a reason : 'not accepting, looks like spam' to me. I want to ask how can I upload a photo for extended information on a Wikipedia page ( I still don't understand the symbols stand for) NepNepNepK (talk) 11:33, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Hi NepNepNepK! Welcome to Wikipedia! I apologize if my thoughts were incorrect regarding the pending edit you were attempting to save to an article. Was the edit you're referring to that you made earlier and I reverted this one by chance? Was the article you were trying to edit Jennie Kim? Please let me know. Before you get into the area of uploading files and using them on Wikipedia, we really should have you go through and complete Wikipedia's new user tutorial first. It will provide you with many useful walkthroughs, guides, interactive lessons, and other information that will be very important for to you to know and understand (including how to upload files and include them in articles and pages, which is what you're asking about). Most users who go through and complete the entire tutorial tell me later that it was significantly helpful to them and saved them hours of time and frustration they would've experienced otherwise. I highly recommend that you go through and complete the entire tutorial. It will not only answer your question, but it will interactively show you what to do. :-) Please let me know if I can help you with anything else, and I'll be happy to do so. Again, please accept my apologies for misinterpreting your attempt to improve the article as an attempt to add spam. I hope that you have a great day and I wish you happy editing! :-) ~Oshwah~(talk) (contribs) 11:47, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]


The Barnstar of Diplomacy
On several occasions over the last couple of weeks I have noticed in the ANI that you have been intervening in disputes with an even hand,listening to what both sides have to say and suggesting suitable actions that try to keep everyone contented.Result:fewer people using ANI as a battlefield and happier Wikipedians all round!Keep it up Lemon martini (talk) 15:27, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
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